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Started by Series58, February 11, 2012, 05:57:10 AM

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Series58

I have been playing Roulette for 23 years and Online Roulette for 12. One thing that I have learnt is that Roulette Players are the dumbest people on earth, by far. By browsing the net, and forums, I have really seen the most incredibly stupid comments and suggestions known to man. I cannot believe that there are still people out there that will buy a Martingale system, I played like that twice as an 18 year old, and it did not work then, nor will it work now, or anywhere in the future. WTF is this all about? Are we not all looking for a way to MAKE MONEY out of the online industry, which by the way is worth $20 BILLION a year.

I have noticed that basic logic evades some of our fellow roulette playing friends. It is very simple, with applying logic and math, we have to find a way to turn the odds in our favour. I have seen a comment that one number can drop 100 times in succession, well, it CANNOT, it HAS not, and NEVER will. I do understand the law of probability, but please understand that NO online casino can have a number come even 8 times in succession, nobody will believe in a Fair RNG if that happens. This is called LOGIC. Neither can an Online casino afford that series 58 which is made up of 12 numbers, not fall for 30 odd spins,  do the MATH, 12 numbers constitutes 33% of the wheel thus roughly every 3 spins any given 12 numbers must be hit. So if a cycle consists of 3 spins, we can understand that a couple of cycles can be skipped, but more than 10, no. Red splits for 40, Orphans for 34, etc, etc. This applies to every single bet that can be placed in a roulette table. Now if you had data that tells you corner 1,2,4,5 has not come up for 70 spins, Red\Odd\1st doz for 32 spins, Series for 28, street 4,5,6 for 50, what could you do with this information? Would this give you an advantage? Please, this question is retorical, I know very few out there really understand how online Roulette works, so please spare me stupid answers. Also, please do not comment if you have not got at least 1 million Real money spins of data, I am not interested in Play money data,  or any data that has not been compiled by physically wagering real cash. The only way a system can be tested is to play it, it is of no use to go on some site and randomly generate 1000 numbers, the RNG and parameters used will never be the same as on a realtime, cash table.


Now here is the meat on the bone, I have an Excel sheet that tracks 138 separate bets, from one single number to red\black, with percentages, and runs during the run you are playing. Inbetween all this mass of info, you find percentage probabilities from time to time, and low and behold, all of a sudden the player has an advantage. I have played hundreds upon hundredsof thousands of spins on REAL money on Microgaming sites, and I have not lost once in 973 consecutive sessions of Roulette. I have not always won a lot, but NEVER once lost. I have a message that system, the instrument, such sales must be serious people who want to earn money to send, tape measure every citizen of South Africa, deny access to all areas, such as mikrogaming, look joint venture partners. :spiteful:
Enjoy


ReDsQuaD

Bombus :biggrin:
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RNG cannot be beaten - I would love to be proved wrong. Any playing system/method will be negated when detected via the Aniti System trap.. Sure you will win very short term, but not enough to make any profit.

I spent a solid year trying to beat RNG, the above is only my experience.

Any how, your approach to roulette is flawed. 23 years experience you say :D?

superman

Quotedetected via the Aniti System trap

More detail please mate, personally I don't believe this exists, can you imagine the code for every single system that has ever been thought of on forums, beyond comprehensible mate, its a figment of your imagination in my opinion, can you prove they exist.

I have coded many many systems they fail against ALL forms of random, on all game platforms AND in most standard programming languages Random() there is no anti system trap that could cover ALL methods, they dont need one.

Please provide some sort of proof of your statement other than you lost every time against RNG

ReDsQuaD

Quote from: superman on February 11, 2012, 07:06:13 AM
More detail please mate, personally I don't believe this exists, can you imagine the code for every single system that has ever been thought of on forums, beyond comprehensible mate, its a figment of your imagination in my opinion, can you prove they exist.

I have coded many many systems they fail against ALL forms of random, on all game platforms AND in most standard programming languages Random() there is no anti system trap that could cover ALL methods, they don't need one.

Please provide some sort of proof of your statement other than you lost every time against RNG

Its not really about code, or inputting betting systems into the Anti system. It basically learns over a short period of time, exactly what you are doing. I thought to overcome this, play 4-5 different systems at random, but the Anti system is certainly not stupid, it will learn everything and eventually put you back to square one (that's if you even have any bank roll left)

As for proof, i don't have any, i can only share my experience.

superman

QuoteAs for proof, I don't have any, I can only share my experience.

There isn't one, programming languages version of Random() does exactly the same to methods that game RNGs' do, for a roulette RNG to "learn" what you are doing would take a mega amount of code, even I wouldn't know where to begin, each player is different, each method is different, the only thing they could do is catch you while playing martingale.

if bet1 = 1 unit And bet 2 = 2 units And bet3 = 4 units then

it looks like this player is playing martingale progression

Do this

check players bank amount

if progression within x of player bank

return opposite to player bet

Until

next bet too high for player bank

That's probably the best they could ever do, but honeslty redsquad, they dont even need to do that.

ReDsQuaD

Quote from: superman on February 11, 2012, 07:22:04 AM
There isn't one, programming languages version of Random() does exactly the same to methods that game RNGs' do, for a roulette RNG to "learn" what you are doing would take a mega amount of code, even I wouldn't know where to begin, each player is different, each method is different, the only thing they could do is catch you while playing martingale.

if bet1 = 1 unit And bet 2 = 2 units And bet3 = 4 units then

it looks like this player is playing martingale progression

Do this

check players bank amount

if progression within x of player bank

return opposite to player bet

Until

next bet too high for player bank

That's probably the best they could ever do, but honeslty redsquad, they don't even need to do that.

I am not going to argue with you here :) I don't play RNG anymore and never will. Like I said, I am sharing my own experience. Just remember, Online roulette, is not roulette, its just a computer programme designed to suck your money.

I would rather spend it on getting sucked.

Juiced91

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on February 11, 2012, 07:29:51 AM
I am not going to argue with you here :) I don't play RNG anymore and never will. Like I said, I am sharing my own experience. Just remember, Online roulette, is not roulette, its just a computer programme designed to suck your money.

I would rather spend it on getting sucked.

I also wouldnt argue with Superman. He can code pretty much anything you can ask for out there for all games and all platforms. So im sure he is pretty Knowledgeable on coding, and if he says it will be difficult to do it then im sure it is. It would be easier to say. If player bet on red return a black number. If 3rd dozen return 1 or 2. Now thats basic coding. But for learning a pattern WHY? They could just do what i said.

superman

Lets call it a discussion rather than an arguement, my point is they don't need to have measures in place to counteract any play. Juiced, you know your self, roulette extremes own inbuilt RNG eats any system all on its own, without any anti system.

Juiced91


I was gonna mention that aswell. You can put live spins in rx vs rx rng spins and the results will be too close to tell the difference. You can think you've cracked roulette and a few spins later it kills you. And you can't say rx is stopping me from winning. Its just how the spins came out.

nullified

Quote from: Series58 on February 11, 2012, 05:57:10 AM
Now here is the meat on the bone, I have an Excel sheet that tracks 138 separate bets, from one single number to red\black, with percentages, and runs during the run you are playing. Inbetween all this mass of info, you find percentage probabilities from time to time, and low and behold, all of a sudden the player has an advantage. I have played hundreds upon hundredsof thousands of spins on REAL money on Microgaming sites, and I have not lost once in 973 consecutive sessions of Roulette. I have not always won a lot, but NEVER once lost. I have a message that system, the instrument, such sales must be serious people who want to earn money to send, tape measure every citizen of South Africa, deny access to all areas, such as mikrogaming, look joint venture partners. :spiteful:
Enjoy

Is this excel sheet anything like the one I posted here nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=18888.msg137840#msg137840 back in June?

Series58

Oh ye of little faith, I am not asking anybody to believe what I am saying, or to try and prove that I have to be wrong. Nobody can make money playing Roulette, right? :diablo:

I suppose that for some people it is just easier so be believe that, that is why Casino's just love roulette players. I am not going to defend what I know to be true, I would much rather spend my time making a couple of bucks whileothers out there look for ways to prove that you can only lose.

And remember the saying " luck favoures the prepared mind "

Cheers and good luck

Series58

And Nullified,

You call that an Excell sheet????  :haha:


Series58

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on February 11, 2012, 06:59:45 AM
Bombus :biggrin:
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RNG cannot be beaten - I would love to be proved wrong. Any playing system/method will be negated when detected via the Aniti System trap.. Sure you will win very short term, but not enough to make any profit.

I spent a solid year trying to beat RNG, the above is only my experience.

Any how, your approach to roulette is flawed. 23 years experience you say :D?

Redsquad,

What if I can prove my statements physically? Login to your favourite Casino, get me on Skype, give me the real spins that is generated, I will tell you when and where to bet, for as many sessions and as many spins as you like. Then you can decide on the merits of my statement? For that matter,  any member of this forum can take me up, would prefer it to be Bombus, in relatiation for the pic  :spiteful:, but could be anyone. I will make believers of you yet.

Cheers

superman

Quotebut could be anyone

Sent you a PM 10 minutes ago, you still with us, I'll skype you to test

superman

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