Interview with Christian Kaisan

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Germany Interview with Christian Kaisan - professional roulette player from Leipzig, called "the Sachse". ISA-CASINOS.


Christian Kaisan, divorced, 3 children, 60 years old, is one the most reknown Rouletteplayer in the world. With his method, to observe the roulette-pot as so-called "Kesselgucker", he has already been winning some millions in many Casinos over the whole world.
The "Kesselgucker", of which he says himself, what for a crazy name, has stood for speech and respond to the editor-in-chief, Reinhold Schmitt, from ISA-CASINOS.

ISA-CASINOS, editor-in-chief, Reinhold Schmitt: Since when do you play roulette and how did you come to the gaming?

Christian Kaisan: It began all in 1972 in my hometown Leipzig.

There is a racecourse, which I visited regularly and where I had bet also small, small amounts. One day I saw people, who were setting up some camping tables in front of the entrance after the end of that race and suddenly there was at 10 or 20 tables a vast gambling going on. There was about the dice game, called "the golden six". To my question I learned that now the "new socialist criminal law" had abolished the paragraph for games of chance and so would everything be now legally here. Thereupon I analysed the game at home and found out that the game were almost to be regarded as a free street robbery and have struck me from the beginning on to the side of the bank owners.
By this contact I received now a view of the entire, at that time already existing, Leipziger Players' scene with their night games. Preferably has the game of cards been gambled called "my aunt - your aunt", which I controlled as a player rather fast, because I experienced that the respective bank keepers shuffled usually very superficially. Where upon on that basis I invented myself a system, in order to exploit this, and one already offered me frequently the bank. Thus I really never experienced the side of the loosing player, but was from the beginning on tossing together on the side of the winners. Later a Greek turned up with some toy roulette and began gambling twice a week with this game. After short time of taking down notes I shot within a 50 hours long battle the equipment with its mechanical errors in such a manner then, that he surrendered to me to the end of the session everything. After I had repaired the roulette, I was now promoter of the only Leipziger Roulette game. That remained with smaller interruptions in such a way until 1981, than I was allowed to then leave the country after long fight finally legally into the Federal Republic.

ISA-CASINOS: Do you play several games or only roulette?

Kaisan: I play for approximately 1984 exclusively roulette. One while I was concerned theoretically with Black Jack and, despite of the profitable method of the map counting, stated that I am characteristically suitable for it. Recently Poker interests me, whereby I so do stab around the basics and do not permit myself however to play simply just right away.

ISA-CASINOS: How do you come to the nickname "the Sachse"?

Kaisan: In the first years in the Federal Republic I lived in Hamburg. There I was with my dialect naturally an Exotic and was accordingly noticeable. From this then on just "Sachse" developed. There were times, when I had already not turned around to anymore, if one called me "Christian".

ISA-CASINOS: Where about have you been playing already?

Kaisan: That I would like to leave it at the substantial places and countries.

Germany: In approx. half of all Casinos played and already visited nearly every.

Europe: Played in Austria, Switzerland, Italy, Luxembourg, Belgium, the Netherlands, Great Britain, France with Monaco, Spain, Malta, Denmark, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania
Visits Without to play: Finland, Portugal, Sweden

Asia: Macao, Malaysia, the Philippines, Sri Lanka

Australia: Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, Adelaide, Darwin, Alice jump, Brisbane, Goldcoast, kind of main header

South and Central America: Argentina, Uruguay, Curacao, St. Maarten, the Bahamas

North America: The USA: Vegas, Atlantic town center, Reno and approx. 30-50 Indianercasinos read

Canada: Ottawa, Montreal, Niagara Falls
South Africa: Sun City (only visited)

ISA-CASINOS: For how long are you playing already roulette?

Kaisan: I have been doing from 1981 to 1984 in Hamburg and Hittfeld only out of harms way exercises, before I was gotten so far, to tackle the play also practically.

ISA-CASINOS: You are as a so called "Kesselgucker". What does it mean?

Kaisan: Kesselgucker (what for a crazy name) many players are named, who are taking conclusions out of the run of the ball also the pot on the probable impact place of the ball and place then their jetons quickly still before the Play refusal.

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ISA-CASINOS: The play, which you just described, is it in the long term successful?

Kaisan: It can be successful, if know-how is sufficient and one itself can get accustomed to the technical progress of the devices, which can nowadays adapt higher pot-spin speeds and different other innovations. I know some in former times very successful players, who resigned either or again regarding the mass of the Gamblers who went down.

ISA-CASINOS: Can one earn for a living, just how you are playing it, live of the Roulette game?

Kaisan: Yes, even quite comfortably.
However not everywhere. In Portugal one must set e.g. first of all, then is called off and thrown only then the ball. There of course, the breeze of a chance does not exist.

ISA-CASINOS: There are offered so many Roulettesystems. My question: are there according to your opinion any totally certain Roulettesysteme at all?

Kaisan: According to my opinion none of the usual "classical" systems on mathematical basis is suitable to obtain a continuous gain (and it is just about it nevertheless). All cheat, trick and equivocations are unsuitable betray mathematics.
A successful Roulettesystem is just as impossible as a functioning Perpetuum mobile. The dominant laws of nature do not give it simply. Also the opposite of not winning, namely to play i.e. particularly badly is not possible. Each system will after sufficiently long examine-strain (-1.35%, -2.7% or -5.4%) realise the minus per cent of the conversion, given by the rule. Can very easy be proven at a Live Roulette automat, where all data are registered. The longer examine-strain is, the more approach the practical results on the theoretically computable ones.
If I were the Casino, system players would have free entrance and free beverages with me. If they should use even additionally a computer, they would get also still the meal freely.

ISA-CASINOS: Is it correct that you won already millions in roulette world-wide?

Kaisan: That is correct. It should not be forgotten however that we speak about one period of 20 years. In addition the beautiful life is not only beautiful, but also expensive.

ISA-CASINOS: Could you explain us your play somewhat more detailed?

Kaisan: Reluctantly. I resign myself there gladly to general places, because I cannot have interest in it, "to hold" potential competitor also even "the stairs".

Thus the following: Roulette is a physical procedure. One can compute each procedure, if sufficiently data are available. This now to get, represents the main problem. In principle one must be capable by a trained feeling for speeds, of suspecting, of feeling or of knowing, when the ball hits where, how far it still jumps and which number range is then at its no-signal point. That is so simple.

Also importantly: One must evade only to the losses, then the profits come automatically.

ISA-CASINOS: How much as stake is needed like for a play, such like you make it?

Kaisan: Usually I magnify the importance of in such a way, as the maximum limit or my play capital permits it. That means, I must set particularly abroad my employments into relation to the brought along capital. I count in such a way that I can set about 2 parts per thousand of my situation per number and per play.
Example: If I want to set 200 per number, I must have 100,000 play capital available.

ISA-CASINOS: Have you obtained also any house prohibition in Casinos yet?

Kaisan: There were plenty of them already. Predominantly by the fact caused that the Casinos Austria spaced me 1991 and informed the half world about it. After I won at the highest Austrian Court of Justice, they had again to let me in, however a lot of German and other Casinos don't even think about it.
Any reasons for spacing, which one can invent, do not apply to me. So far also ever a Casino did not justify somewhat. One refers oneself to the "house right" and finished. Unfortunately this design, which is settled already in the proximity of arbitrariness, is sentenced German supreme court right. In Austria a "conclusive reason" must be present for a barrier and have the judges still determined since my process: Profits are not a conclusive reason.

ISA-CASINOS: Do you play always alone or also times with other persons?

Kaisan: At the beginning of my career I had a partner 9 months, who deceased however unexpectedly.

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ISA-CASINOS: What were been your highest loss and the highest profit with roulette?

Kaisan: My largest loss was 700,000 Schilling (100,000 DM), which I had been over-rowing about 1990 in the Casino Bregenz in heavily drunk condition. That was one of the maximally 3 appearances, which I had afforded in over 30 years with alcohol at playing. Otherwise I drink generally water during the play only.

The two highest single gains were about 1989 in Hamburg 122,400 DM, when I met in 34 plays with 4 neighbours 18 times. At 400 per number and 800 Tronc then above mentioned Sum remained. There has been in Copenhagen in 1992 also some converted approximately 125,000 DM on one day.

A correct benefit was in the year 2000 the "Burswood Casino" in Perth. In the VIP Room one could set converted some 1,300 DM per number. The house was so friendly to lose in 3 days 450,000 DM, to pay me a flight (7.000 km) to Sydney over Melbourne and back again to Perth and to lose on further 3 days the same sum again. With my next attendance, 3 months later (it was already my 7. in 18 months), although they were still friendly with me like always, covered all the hotel costs, but into the VIP Room they did not leave me any longer.

ISA-CASINOS: What do you hold of on-line Casinos?

Kaisan: In addition I cannot say anything, because I do not have any experience about.

ISA-CASINOS: Is your play also possible in an On-line Casino?

Kaisan: Probably not, because the diagram shown does not have anything to do with the random number generator. Even in Casinos with Live-Roulette the picture transmission is so inaccurate that I do not see any chance.

ISA-CASINOS: What would you recommend to new comers, who play for the first time roulette?

Kaisan: Take your wife and a sum that does not cause pain. Leave credit cards i.e. at home and do not hide a reserve in the car. Divide the money and play at 2 tables on red and black with minimum at the most 1-2 hours. The remaining money or the profit is to be converted into best meals and good beverages at the spot and you had a beautiful evening. Subsequently you forget everything, and you are not under any circumstances getting on the idea to think about it like you perhaps nevertheless............

It would be not worth the time and the wasted energy.

ISA-CASINOS: How does your free-temporal reconciliation looks like?

Kaisan: Since I decided, to become healthy 100, I strive to remain fit. I drive bike very much, do jogging or tearing with the Inline skates around. Otherwise I roam in the Internet into the Roulette forums, showing off myself a little, not that I only know nearly everything, but most also better, insult half friendly those who are as far as I am concerned incorrigible "Roulette-researcher" or "intuitive players" and hope successfully to keep with this easy mental work to prevent to become a zombie.

ISA-CASINOS: My last question to you: Is there any of a favourites' casino of you?

Kaisan: No, any of a real favourites' casino I do not have. I see that rather practically: For me the worst shop is a real smasher, when I win there.

However I have a favourites' (Casino)Hotel:

That is the "Bell agio" in read Vegas. The water fountains in the lake in front of it, so over 1.000 fountains and 5,000 Spotlights directly at the Strip and all this in the centre of the desert. Strictly synchronously with the music the water jets dance or shoot up to 70m up. For me the greatest, which I saw ever in the world. One can describe that badly - one must see it.

ISA-CASINOS: Mr. Kaisan, thank you for the conversation.

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Otherwise I roam in the Internet into the Roulette forums, showing off myself a little, not that I only know nearly everything, but most also better, insult half friendly those who are as far as I am concerned incorrigible

Since this is a bit oldie, I wonder who is/was Kaisan at the forums! Anyone?

[Nathan Detroit]

VLS,

Today I  read a  post by  Kaisan  ( aka SACHSE ) at the" roulette-forum.de"  in regard to the obituary of a guy by the name  of Groetelaers  whom he  describes  as being a rather dubious  character  during his  life time.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!.

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Kelly
"sachse" on Paroli and David Cooper board.

snowman
He was BiasPlayer on GG.

Kelly
Nope ! Biasplayers last name starts with P

PS: But they are roughly the same age. Early sixties, both bald and both pros since the mid eightyes. Kaisan don`t believe in biased wheels. Biasplayer is making a living of them in combination with VB.

[Wildcard]

The-program-that-poorly-and-blindly-transalated-Kaisan´s-interview wrote:

In Portugal one must set e.g. first of all, then is called off and thrown only then the ball. There of course, the breeze of a chance does not exist.

Kaisan, if you´re reading this, please feel free to meet me at Casino Lisboa, right here in Portugal, where [highlight]YOU CAN [/highlight]place bets for some time while the ball is circling the wheel, before NMB is called out.

Bring forth your Bankroll and we will be best buds, kicking some serious ass at portuguese tables.  

"The breeze of a chance" exists.... Maybe it´s a TORNADO  [smiley=laugh.gif]

[VLSroulette]

The-program-that-poorly-and-blindly-transalated-Kaisan´s-interview wrote:

hahaha, I missed this helder.

[Kelly]

Yeah, the translation really sucks. The original is written in german.

I think K is currently in France watching tor de france. He has a tradition of setting up a camp on the Alpe d`Huez where he is bringing his own mountain bike and a tent. He has been quiet for a while, so i think he is down there now.

Wildcard, the problem for Kaisan is that HE will not be allowed to place late bets with maximum bet sizes in Lisboa. If he starts playing at a table in Portugal, conditions at the table will change immeadeately for him and the rest of the players at the table. Hence, why he is not playing anymore. His and his sons name is simply too troubled. He has 3 kids but only 1 of them is capable of playing VB (and did it for years with his father), even then, the 2 other kids names raises a red flag if they enter the casino, even though they are not a thread anymore than anybody else is.

[Wildcard]

Kelly, thank you for your reply. I didn´t know he was as famous as you say !! 

Still, i don´t think he would be instantly recognised here... Most croupiers at Casino Lisboa are pretty young so maybe after some big bets a PB could spot him, i guess.

What if he wears a wig and a moustache ?   

[Kelly]

If he could get away with a wig and a moustache and a new passport and the face reckognition software was out of order, then maybe, but thats not his style i think. He likes to play free,  make a lot of money AND spend a lot of money.  As i understand it he MIGHT return one day, playing with smaller bet sizes. But as he says, he is being kicked out even if he plays with small bet sizes, so whats the point. (Kicked out means in his case that he can`t place his bets when he is ready to place them, same as barring him from play. Just without actually baring him. (To avoid being sued as he sued  the Casino Austria  chain for barring him. Berufs verbot as he called it))

[Kelly]

Obviously a bet after NMB is not accepted, what i refer to is the casinos changing the house rules from NMB up to 3 - 5 ball revs. before the ball drops, till 2 - 3 ball revs after the ball is thrown, simply because a certain player arrives. Is that fair ?

As for the free tea and drinks, that is common in some parts of the world but not in for example Germany and Denmark. Here we pay some 2 - 3£ pound for a coffe and thats AFTER paying the entrance fee of 4 - 5£.

But they DO cater for the system players. They collect numbers for years and years on all wheels and provide special writing places and writing tables, placed strategicly correct around the wheel areas, with paper and pencils, where some of the more colourfull system players book their play in 18 coloums on A4 paper in big binders.

So you shouldn`t hold back Mr Chips. They are ready for you.

[EddessaKnight]

SPIES IN THE SKY-
Most major casinos employ facial recognition video to catch cheats, advantage players and known gamblers considered a 'threat' by the casinos plus roulette tracking software to spot biased wheels. Also player ID's & records are shared via corporate security to alert subscribing membership world wide.

~plus or minus, cat & mouse in any lanugage-
EddessaKnight  

PS-
Bye the Bye, Kelly was quite adroit in staying under the casino radar 

[Kelly]

Yeah well, i managed to get a "problem with my membership card" at my local casino after a win of 36.000 danish kroner some 7.6 K $ even though i have been going there for the 15 years it has existed. I know several of the employees i even went to school with one from Surveillance. It wasn`t my biggest win ever, and some of the local high rollers sometimes makes a lot more (and loses a lot more) but they can still get in and out. My friend in Surv says he can`t do anything since the decision came from above him. He said that i shouldn`t had used call bets only, after staring in the wheel, on the night i played, that was where they started to take an extra look.

I haven`t been there for a while now, don`t know what the situation is anymore.

[Tamino3]

Kelly,

Jet over to USA , land  at  NEWARK  Intl. Airport about  165 km to Atlantic City. 12  Casinos. No passport
or ID required   to enter a casino. No  admission charges  either.

All you need  is  a major credit card , Am. Express, Master card etc.  upon   casino hotel check-in   
Unless you want  some  " freebies"  obtain a  players card but then again  you would have to show  your passport only for that purpose. I believe  even Kaisan got this  card  as he  mentioned it in one  of his  trip reports.



If you prefer NOT to  obtain a players card and the Pit boss is  asking you  for  your card just say you are on a  visit to New  York for a few days or  some  other  plausible  excuse.

Tamino 3
a.k.a.Nathan Detroit

P.S. For  some  confusion or " catch  22 " can`t get entry with that S.N. of N.D.

[Tamino3]

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