ok, lets see if i still got it.
lets see if those rng's are rigged.
sombody give me 24 spins from a rng, i will do the first test with 4 numbers
second test with 3 numbers and the third test with 2 numbers.
anyone is welcome to join the tests.
300 spins per session 900 spins totol.
after this i just might be ready to test that pesky enigmista. 8-)
lets rock
Hi Ray
How are you Mate.
One observation. I know it will be difficult to actually do but you should actually physically play a RNG. Reason being is that the feeling is that the software in a RNG picks up the way you play and therefore adjust and compensates. Simple example would be that it picks up progression say on one dozen. You get away with it a couple of times and then it hits you. That dozen doesn't come up until your br is gone. It would be interesting, even if they are crooked to see if it'll pick up the way you play especially because you specialize in betting few numbers at a time and you flat bet.
On the other hand if they are crooked then your conventional numbers as you play it most probably won't show either. So hell yeah, give it go!
Cheers
Jakkalsdraai
jakka, i see your point, but there would be no need to rigg such a game that already has a edge, not saying they haven't but i used the ones they had in my town like a atm, to bad they took them out. >:(
if you play a live wheel long enough you could swear it was reading your mind. ;D
Sorry, but I don't think so. I simply don't believe a word you're saying:)
QuoteSorry, but I don't think so. I simply don't believe a word you're saying:)
seeing is believing.
just waiting on some one to post some numbers.
Ray
I have a stack of RNGS Nos but have to go to work. Will post tonight or tomorrow if you are still interested send me a PM and let me know.
Matilda
::)
Quotesombody give me 24 spins from a rng, I will do the first test with 4 numbers
second test with 3 numbers and the third test with 2 numbers.
anyone is welcome to join the tests.
[highlight]Here you have 24 numbers :o[/highlight]
16
22
32
19
1
12
31
32
34
8
18
6
1
8
14
4
33
29
32
3
36
18
5
28
[highlight]The randomness comes from atmospheric noise[/highlight]
Which for many purposes is better than the pseudo-random number algorithms typically used in computer programs.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg142.imageshack.us%2Fimg142%2F402%2Fblixtjl0.jpg&hash=5db2b1f30c14f5d5fb2d52d69173feb0f1371c19)
[highlight]100% True Random Numbers[/highlight]
Cheers Lucky Strike
Here we go Ray from Matilda
February 08 Vegas Star Jupiters Casino Gold Coast Australia
2
5
32
32
18
0
7
27
21
15
19
36
25
31
9
24
9
19
20
34
9
27
22
27
7
20
7
3
4
23
35
13
10
30
32
35
33
24
32
14
14
27
19
7
20
3
34
25
1
20
33
32
6
6
33
15
8
8
14
19
4
19
7
24
36
23
17
29
29
23
10
25
24
32
20
34
21
9
5
18
20
27
8
20
31
20
10
11
17
17
26
31
12
will add another post
February 08 same RNG'S
15
27
27
7
1
36
30
3
21
31
14
18
18
13
28
15
14
13
16
6
7
3
30
9
25
8
3
6
7
23
28
29
33
6
36
18
19
26
22
8
29
12
26
19
18
8
26
10
13
10
6
0
5
5
33
1
4
25
1
0
9
4
8
10
20
19
12
31
22
34
32
24
15
36
12
21
16
25
34
18
28
35
27
15
11
2
28
7
10
18
12
3
18
16
22
10
24
8
4
7
0
36
34
36
23
31
8
25
27
21
32
24
19
24
6
21
31
31
35
27
18
5
17
16
17
12
6
14
If you need anymore let me know Ray. Have hundreds of them. I don't play RNG's anymore. Would love to know if they are rigged. Matilda [smiley=3/pacman.gif]
thank you lucky strike for participating,
play, 5,8,14,17-------6 spins
hold on matilda i only need 24 at a time.
you give me 24 and i give you 4 numbers to put into play then you give me the next 6 spins on your list to see if i won or lost.
the you vary much for joining the test.
play 18,19,20,0-------6 spins
Quoteplay, 5,8,14,17-------6 spins
Here they are:
19
12
10
3
17 Win
22
Cheers LS
Well what now... are you going to give me new numbers to play :thumbsup:
Cheers LS
QuoteQuoteplay 18,19,20,0-------6 spins
Here they are:
19 Win
12
10
3
17
22
Cheers LS
hi lucky, the 18,19,20,0 was for matildas numbers and the 5,8,14,17, where for your set of numbers so, i won on 17.
i'll stay with 5,8,14,17 for the next 6 spins.
Yes i know, sorry mate i made the correction above as you can see.
Here is the next 6 spins and as you say you still stick with 5,8,14,17.
Here they are: :-/
6
15
9
4
29
18
No hit :-?
Cheers Lucky Strike
lucky, play 3,4,33,34 always 6 spins.
Quoteplay 3,4,33,34 always 6 spins.
Here they are: :-[
7
7
17
17
14
15
No hit ::)
Cheers LS
So far we have been using this numbers :'(
16
22
32
19
1
12
31
32
34
8
18
6
1
8
14
4
33
29
32
3
36
18
5
28
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19
12
10
3
17
22
----------------
6
15
9
4
29
18
-----------------
7
7
17
17
14
15
Cheers Lucky Strike :-[
same bet,3,4,33,34
Quotebet,3,4,33,34
Here they are: :-?
7
1
14
6
27
16
No hit :'(
I have the actuals so you can see them for you self when we are done. :o
Cheers Lucky Strike
Going to work now i will be back later... 8 hours from now... Cheers LS
at -35, dont worry folks i always start out this way. play 27,30,33,34
Ray,
If you're going to prove your point, then let's run it via 5k real spins. Running just a couple hundred spins is meaningless.
QuoteRay,
If you're going to prove your point, then let's run it via 5k real spins. Running just a couple hundred spins is meaningless.
no problemo, if you can get those 5000 spins to victor and he can validate them and follow along with the challenge so there will be no cheating.
i will use 1 to 6 numbers flat betting all the way.
when victor recieves the numbers, herb may begin calling the numbers
herb you must call all 5000 and keep track of my W--L $.
anyone can join the challenge if they got the nuts.
VICTOR CAN WE OPEN A NEW SECTION FOR THIS CHALLENGE.
QuoteVICTOR CAN WE OPEN A NEW SECTION FOR THIS CHALLENGE.
Absolutely Yes!!!
I suggest this procedure:
- I receive the numbers' txt file for the challenge.
- Encrypt the file using a 3rd party encryptor without revealing the encryption algorith nor the password.
- Publish the encripted file in our downloads section.
- After the challenge is over, I then disclose both: the encryption algorithm and password + provide software to decipher the file previously downloaded from the downloads section.
This ensures no tampering of numbers as the file is downloaded previously to the challenge so results in the forum's challenge and the file at people's hardrive are easily audited :)
Now the only thing is the name of the section: what do you guys suggest? 8-)
Whatever works is fine.
Or we can just email them to Franky or Lanky. They are both as honest as the day is long. :)
I trust them.
herb,i would like the numbers to go to victor please. :P
herb you brought it up you name it.
Lanky has the 5,000 spins. Shall we begin?
:) hahaha, herb, you are right: [highlight]good old trust also works good!![/highlight]
Another valid model would be an
automated authorization/retrieval method with two keys, one password for autorization for herb and another pass for number retrieval for ray.
So herb uploads the numbers file directly to server, then when he authorizes the retrieval of a number, ray uses his pass to get it and the number gets published for everyone to see.
This is simple and automated, no need for the human-based number-sending interaction ( it can slow down the action, as for waiting for the numbers to be send by the person providing them ).
The two main points:
- File doesn't get changed after the challenge is started.
- The one doing the challenge doesn't know at any time the contents of the file (numbers).
This automated option I think is more efficient as you guys can make your challenge as
fast-paced or as slow
as you both wish/require :thumbsup:
QuoteLanky has the 5,000 spins. Shall we begin?
Lanky said a temporary "bye" to me by MSN, since he is geting admitted to the hospital for tests & operation, he said the whole process to be 5 days...
I vote for the automated option as explained in the previous post so you both do not need to use any 3rd human and can go at your own rithm.
Tell me if you like it for me to provide the script and the game is automatically "on"... and 100% in your hands.
By the way, section is open:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?board=challengezone
hi victor, do you have the numbers?
sence herb wanted to see 5000 i would like him to post the numbers, all 5000 of them.
i wanted you to have the numbers just to make sure theres no funny buisness.
though i think herb is a straight up guy.
Quotehi victor, do you have the numbers?
No, I don't.
Herb, please send them my way: vlsroulette@gmail.com
Let's keep this simple: you send me the file for Ray's tranqulity, and you provide the numbers at this thread nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1209272751 at
your & ray's own pace :)
Fair enough.
Big Thanks mate. [smiley=im/yb66.gif] Let's start up the "Challenge Zone"! We are hungry to see this one! [smiley=im/comiendo_2.gif]
Quote from: Matilda on April 26, 2008, 03:45:11 AM
Here we go Ray from Matilda
February 08 Vegas Star Jupiters Casino Gold Coast Australia
is this a land based casino?
fabulous numbers anyway.
Ray, the more I research these RNGs, the more convinced i become that they are not rigged in a traditional sense.The odds of the game is already in favor of the house, so if a casino wants to cheat you be it online or land casino beyond the house edge, they will outright do it. But we can give a dummy software too much credit. An application will give you only what you've programmed, that it. Neural Network are among the most advanced programs and you still have to apply so much brain power to it for it to give you an ounce of useful information. My theory is to understand what the application isnt programmed to do and do it and the program want know the difference, unless a human eye notices it and has the skill set to make an upgrade to the system to provide tighter real-time adjustments. The odds cannot be changed in the random framework of the game, it can only be adjusted in real-time. So, good luck Ray on the challenge. knock em dead. I believe you will do well. Although, I agree with jakk that a better test is to perform this challenge in real-time on a RNG, otherwise, there is no difference in the previous challenge you did with Herb. With RNGs, the program has the opportunity to react to in an unfavorable matter from spin to spin based upon selection and result. Personally, I think there are certain triggers that alters the programming algorithims. So your challenge to me will make a bigger difference against actual real-time play on a RNG. But, i guess starting here with this challenge is a start.
Good luck.
Bloom
Quote from: bloomone2002 on June 25, 2008, 09:43:05 PM
Ray, the more I research these RNGs, the more convinced I become that they are not rigged in a traditional sense.The odds of the game is already in favor of the house, so if a casino wants to cheat you be it online or land casino beyond the house edge, they will outright do it. But we can give a dummy software too much credit. An application will give you only what you've programmed, that it. Neural Network are among the most advanced programs and you still have to apply so much brain power to it for it to give you an ounce of useful information. My theory is to understand what the application isnt programmed to do and do it and the program want know the difference, unless a human eye notices it and has the skill set to make an upgrade to the system to provide tighter real-time adjustments. The odds cannot be changed in the random framework of the game, it can only be adjusted in real-time. So, good luck Ray on the challenge. knock em dead. I believe you will do well. Although, I agree with jakk that a better test is to perform this challenge in real-time on a RNG, otherwise, there is no difference in the previous challenge you did with Herb. With RNGs, the program has the opportunity to react to in an unfavorable matter from spin to spin based upon selection and result. Personally, I think there are certain triggers that alters the programming algorithims. So your challenge to me will make a bigger difference against actual real-time play on a RNG. But, I guess starting here with this challenge is a start.
Good luck.
Bloom
I agree that the challenge MUST be done real time - thus if the RNG is fixed and reacts to predictions then it will be obvious (to ray at least).