Here I am going to share all my findings on roulette. I figure it is better having everything in one place rather than scattering it everywhere. It makes it easier to find things if you are trying to put pieces together as well.
I have looked at the game of roulette for well over 10 years now. It is a truly fascinating game compared to the others available. There is so much going on within the game of roulette that makes it mind boggling.
What I have tried to do throughout the years is slowly take the game apart and study all the parts. Mixing and matching everything to see what works well together and what is incompatible. I think the old saying 'the sum can be greater than all the parts' fits in nicely with roulette. I have certainly found this to be true.
The bottom line is the following question 'is roulette beatable?' The answer to that is yes. That does not mean everyone is going to find the way to win. I would be very surprised if more than a few people on these forums could really put there hand on their heart and say they know without a shadow of a doubt that they have an edge at the game. (and even that does mean much unless they have the discipline and patience to put in use what they have learned)
I can say that I am lucky or fortunate to have discovered two ways to win at roulette. One of those ways is a bloody grind that would bore most people to insanity. Seriously, if your idea of fun is sitting in a casino for 8 hours to work hard computing all the information necessary to make between 20-40 units, then you will love this. It is a job, nothing more and nothing less. Most people don't look at roulette as a job. They look at it as a form of entertainment. No doubt most of you will have a 9-5 job and the last thing you want is another one on top. I used to get frustrated on these forums, I thought nobody really wanted to understand roulette properly. I was kind of wrong. What people don't want is another job. These places are an escape from reality for a lot of people. They serve a purpose. It is nice to have a dream that one day the H.G. will turn up. There is nothing wrong with that.
The other method is a far more rewarding one. The bets and profits come quicker. The only downside is that the variance can be higher. You can't always have your cake and eat it. Sometimes depending on how I am feeling, I figure it is safer to play the grind. Never underestimate how your current state of mind can affect your performance at the casino. It is all about making the correct choices.
So the purpose of this blog will be to teach you these methods. It is not going to be easy because there are no shortcuts. I sometimes think how could anybody learn something in a short space of time which has took me years to come up with. A willingness to learn and strong determination are what is needed here. There is also a chat facility where I am happy to go over some of the things I am going to teach. I am not the messiah and I don't want to come over as such. You will have to do a lot of the hard work yourself. I will leave it there for now.
cheers.
Awesome post, John. Bring it on...
If someone is hoping to look towards playing roulette as a way of making millions then they are in for a big disappointment. If however, like you say, they see it as a job and don't find the grind too boring and accept 20 to 40 units for eight hours work then it is fine.
It is all relative I suppose. If someone is a wealthy lawyer or surgeon and makes hundreds of pounds or dollars an hour then they will hardly find it worthwhile. However, someone who is retired or who is a single parent and works a minimum wage job and earns 180 bucks a week may find it beneficial. It must be remembered though that it is still gambling and risk is involved, you should never bet with what you are not willing to lose.
It's always good to hear words of advice from experienced roulette players who are willing to share their advice free of charge. Makes a refreshing change to all the greed in the world where sharks and scammers only want to take your money.
Thanks Birdhands and I agree with what you say Col1879, I go to the casino nowadays or play online with the mentality of trying not to lose. I look at anything else as a bonus and it has helped me. If you go in with the attitude where you need to win, it is my belief that you are compromising your position. What I have found by adopting this 'trying not to lose' mentality is that it becomes very easy to cash in a ticket with a 20-40 unit gain on it. Now like you say Col, this might not suit everbody, but all those little wins add up. Obviously I never quit in the middle of a winning run but certainly stop after a loss and evaluate the situation.
Here is a snapshot of yesterdays results from table 3 from the Spielbank Wiesbaden Casino in Germany.
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I look forward to it
I don't speak German, so how can I look at what you just displayed in the website spielbank-wiesbaden.de?
Thanks
I'm having the same problem.
nolinks://nolinks.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/ (nolinks://nolinks.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/)
Then click a PERMANENZEN LIVE
Click at UEBERSICHT
then you will see the various tables ( TISCH)
For a fuller view of the previous action click ARCHIVES
enter specific date ,
Tisch # ( table number)
and leave BILDSCHIRMAUSGABE as is ( meaning the " computer screen version _)
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
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hxxp: nolinks. spielbank-wiesbaden. de/
Then click a PERMANENZEN LIVE
Click at UEBERSICHT
then you will see the various tables ( TISCH)
For a fuller view of the previous action click ARCHIVES
enter specific date ,
Tisch # ( table number)
and leave BILDSCHIRMAUSGABE as is ( meaning the " computer screen version _)
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Wow, quite a cool site! although I don't understand german, but we can download the table's spin by timing and use it! I assume it's real table spins right?
This will save me a ton of time to test systems :)
Those table spins are from real roulette tables ( live 20 minutes delay ).The action at Wiesbaden begins at CET 15:00 and ends at 03:00.
This would be in the USA EST 9 AM and closes at 9 PM.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
IF you download the google "toolbar" it will give you the option to "translate" the page :good:
The first concept that I want to share with you is a bit of a grind but it is very effective.
I came up with the idea several years ago. At that time, I was more into designing systems than actually contemplating how I was going to play them. The problem there is that with no concrete money management ideas, the systems are really only 50% effective.
I have spent a lot more time over the last year reading up on all the various MM plans out there.
Now the good thing about the system I am going to present is that it throws up a lot of consecutive wins. The MM plan that seems to suit this the best is 'The Pluscoup Progression'.
With this one, you start at 1 unit and hope to win your first bet and quit that particular game with a 1 unit profit. Should you lose, you continue to bet 1 unit on the next spin. As long as you keep losing, you will always bet 1 unit. On a win (if you are in the negative for this particular game) you raise the bet by 1 unit. At any time on a win as long as this particular game is in the negative, you will continue to raise the bet by 1 unit.
What will happen eventually is that you will recoup all your losses and make a 1 unit profit for the game and then quit that particular game and start a new one. (well that's the theory anyhow) On the plus side, it is a very simple MM plan and that is great if your bet selection is a little bit complex because you always have to take into consideration how long you have to get your bets down.
So the pluscoup progression is fine but if you get into a bit of a hole, you certainly need something that is going to throw up the occasional winning run or you are going to find the bets can get out of control.
The bet selection itself revolves around the streets. These comprise of 6 numbers.
1-6 = 1. 7-12 = 2. 13-18 = 3. 19-24 = 4. 25-30 = 5. 31-36 = 6.
Now there is a grid that you need to use for this and it is as follows.
1 1 1
2 6 2
3 2 3
4 5 4
5 3 5
6 4 6
I will explain how to use and show you an example from the numbers I posted in an earlier post. They are the ones I downloaded from the Spielbank-Wiesbaden Casino in Germany.
There is also a betting chart and that is as follows.
No 6 on a 1. bet, 3 – 4 – 5.
No 6 on a 2. bet, 3 – 4 – 5.
No 6 on a 3. bet, 1 – 2 – 5.
No 6 on a 4. bet, 1 – 2 – 5.
13 = 3. So the first number has come in and you mark it down on your scorecard and you also need to note which street it belongs to.
35 = 6. Now with this next number that has appeared, you need to make some calculations using the grid. The first horizontal line is just a representation of the streets that appear. The second and third horizontal lines are where you need to make some calculations.
What you need to do is find out what the LAST street was (in this case it's 3) and then count from that 3 in the second horizontal line to the current street which is 6. You always count forwards. You should have moved forward by three numbers by the time you land on the 6. So you will represent it in the following manner.
35 = 6, 3.
Now for the final calculation involving the third horizontal line. Once again you take the last street number which was 3 and then count from the that 3 in the third horizontal line to the current street which is 6. Once again, you always count forwards. You should have moved forward by three numbers by the time you land on the 6. So you will represent it as such.
35 = 6, 3, 3. You continue to mark like this as the streets appear using the horizontal lines on the grid.
Another calculation that you need to make is to write in the missing streets. So your marking would end up looking like this.
35 = 6, 3, 3. (1, 2, 4, 5) For a possible bet, there needs to be a 6 in this last set of markings. What you will find over time when you test and play this is that it is very common for a 6 to be in this last set of markings for long periods of time without a break. This is where the winning runs come from and why the pluscoup progression is the ideal MM plan for taking advantage.
Now let's continue with the example.
26 = 5, 2, 5. (1, 3, 4, 6) Here you will see that there is a 6 in the final set of markings but unfortunately there will be no bet. WHY? Please have a look at the betting chart. What you will notice is the current street out is 5 (represented by number 26) There is no 6 on a 5.
There is only 6 on a 1, 2, 3 or 4. Therefore to have a bet, the 6 needs to be in the final set of markings and the current street that has appeared needs to be a 1, 2, 3 or 4.
28 = 5, 6, 6. (1, 2, 3, 4) Once again, no possible bet.
7 = 2, 5, 3. (1, 4, 6) We have a betting opportunity here. The 6 is in the final set of markings and the current street out is 2. So you need to refer to the betting chart and look at the 'no 6 on a 2'.
You will see that you are required to bet streets 3, 4, 5. (It is the equivalent of an even money bet)
31 = 6, 5, 4. (1, 2, 3) That bet lost and we are -1. (technically you could say that you are -3 but let's refer to them as even money bets to make the explanation of the pluscoup progression easier)
There can be no bet on the next spin.
21 = 4, 4, 4. (1, 2, 3, 5, 6) Another betting opportunity here. The 6 is in the final set of markings and the current street out is 4. So you need to refer to the betting chart and look at the 'no 6 on a 4'.
You will see that you are required to bet streets 1, 2, 5. With the pluscoup progression, after a previous loss, you just bet the same again
33 = 6, 2, 2. (1, 3, 4, 5) That bet also lost and now we are -2. There is no bet on the next spin.
31 = 6, 6, 6. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) No bet on the next spin.
8 = 2, 1, 2. (3, 4, 5, 6) Next up, we will betting 1 unit on the 3, 4, 5 streets.
28 = 5, 1, 3. (2, 4, 6) A win that time and we are back to -1. On our next bet, we will raise to 2 units because remember if you are in minus during the game, you always raise by 1 unit after a win using the pluscoup progression. There can be no bet on the next spin because the current street is a 5.
0 – no bet on the next spin.
8 = 2, 5, 3. (1, 4, 6) Next up, we will be betting 2 units on the 3, 4, 5 streets.
36 = 6, 5, 4. (1, 2, 3) That bet lost and now we are -3. No bet next spin.
1 = 1, 5, 1. (2, 3, 4, 6) Next up, we will be betting 2 units on the 3, 4, 5 streets.
26 = 5, 3, 4. (1, 2, 6) A win there takes the total to -1. Now here is a point in the game where you can use your discretion. We are -1 and technically the wager on our next betting opportunity should be 3 units. However we only need to win 2 units to go into a +1 profit. I ALWAYS like to play safe and will therefore be only betting 2 units on the next bet that comes along. There is no bet on the next spin.
7 = 2, 5, 3. (1, 4, 6) Next up, we will be betting 2 units on the 3, 4, 5 streets.
21 = 4, 3, 2. (1, 5, 6) A win there takes this game into a profit of +1 and that is the end of the game.
I did a quick check of the next 11 spins and that takes the total profit to +5.
I will do some more examples when time permits. The best way to get the hang of things is to practice yourself if this is something that interests you. I am happy to go through your results and correct them if necessary or just answer any of your questions.
I really don't think this is very complicated once you get the hang of it. I find I can skip through the testing pretty easily. It is also something that you can play online or at a live casino and have no trouble with getting your bets down in time.
Here is a doozie of a session. The numbers were taken from table 3 yesterday (28/01/11)
They are the first 31 numbers out. It took that long to make the required 1 unit profit.
The most that was bet at any time was the 4 units on the last spin. It was a real tug of war.
Here is what the scorecard looked like.
28 = 5.
31 = 6, 4, 1. (2,3,5)
18 = 3, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5,6)
1 = 1, 2, 4. (3,5,6)
12 = 2, 2, 1. (3,4,5,6)
17 = 3, 2, 1. (4,5,6)
23 = 4, 1, 1. (2,3,5,6)
5 = 1, 1, 3. (2,4,5,6)
34 = 6, 1, 5. (2,3,4)
8 = 2, 1, 2. (3,4,5,6)
10 = 2, 6, 6. (1,3,4,5)
36 = 6, 5, 4. (1,2,3)
14 = 3, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5,6)
16 = 3, 6, 6. (1,2,4,5)
26 = 5, 5, 2. (1,3,4,6)
16 = 3, 1, 4. (2,5,6)
1 = 1, 2, 4. (3,5,6)
2 = 1, 6, 6. (2,3,4,5)
8 = 2, 2, 1. (3,4,5,6)
12 = 2, 6, 6. (1,3,4,5)
36 = 6, 5, 4. (1,2,3)
16 = 3, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5,6)
0 -
0-
29 = 5, 5, 2. (1,3,4,6)
19 = 4, 2, 5. (1,3,6)
5 = 1, 1, 3. (1,5,6)
27 = 5, 3, 4. (1,2,6)
27 = 5, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4)
12 = 2, 5, 3. (1,4,6)
15 = 3, 2, 1. (4,5,6)
This game is a brilliant example of how solid the system is because it tried to throw everything bar the kitchen sink at me. A few double spins, two consecutive zeros, repeat streets etc....
Even allowing for all that, the 6 still appeared in the last set of markings 19 times out of 30.
Making all the calculations in play is not necessary. Here is the complete markings.
1-1 = 1,6,6. (2,3,4,5)
1-2 = 2,2,1. (3,4,5,6)
1-3 = 3,4,2. (1,5,6)
1-4 = 4,5,3. (1,2,6)
1-5 = 5,3,4. (1,2,6)
1-6 = 6,1,5. (2,3,4)
2-1 = 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
2-2 = 2,6,6. (1,3,4,5)
2-3 = 3,2,1. (4,5,6)
2-4 = 4,3,2. (1,5,6)
2-5 = 5,1,3. (2,4,6)
2-6 = 6,5,4. (1,2,3)
3-1 = 1,2,4. (3,5,6)
3-2 = 2,4,5. (1,3,6)
3-3 = 3,6,6. (1,2,4,5)
3-4 = 4,1,1. (2,3,5,6)
3-5 = 5,5,2. (1,3,4,6)
3-6 = 6,3,3. (1,2,4,5)
4-1 = 1,1,3. (2,4,5,6)
4-2 = 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
4-3 = 3,5,5. (1,2,4,6)
4-4 = 4,6,6. (1,2,3,5)
4-5 = 5,4,1. (2,3,6)
4-6 = 6,2,2. (1,3,4,6)
5-1 = 1,3,2. (4,5,6)
5-2 = 2,5,3. (1,4,6)
5-3 = 3,1,4. (2,5,6)
5-4 = 4,2,5. (1,3,6)
5-5 = 5,6,6. (1,2,3,4)
5-6 = 6,4,1. (2,3,5)
6-1 = 1,5,1. (2,3,4,6)
6-2 = 2,1,2. (3,4,5,6)
6-3 = 3,3,3. (1,2,4,5,6)
6-4 = 4,4,4. (1,2,3,5,6)
6-5 = 5,2,5. (1,3,4,6)
6-6 = 6,6,6. (1,2,3,4,5)
cheers.
I'm going to have to read over your post a few times to grasp it properly.. I'll ask questions once I think I understand it. Thanks for sharing. Looks like one I can add to my arsenal!
John,
We can simplify your method and eliminate most calculations.
No bet situtation:A) Anytime your last # is in street 6= 31-36 which will give you a 6 in first set of numbers.
B) Any repeat of a street -will give you a 6 in first set of calculated gride #'s
C)Last # that came in is not in streets 1-4.
The betting trigger below is all you really need to know to place a bet along with your MM.
Betting Trigger: Last street that came in belongs to streets 1-4 and was not a repeat.
Hi there John.
First of all thanks a lot for sharing this nice system with all of us.
I made a test yesterday night at real Dublin bet spins which went quite well and another one with 100 spins today with the excellent result of +60, presenting as a lowest draw-down a drop of just 28 units. I have to admit I am really impressed with the returns of the method but I have to ask something to its creator. . . which I believe is also a reasonable question that a lot of people have in here as well. . .
John, on what observation (or statistics) is this remarkable method based on? Did you rely it on some kind of law (e. g. law of third)? Or is it just an experience-based technique. How on earth did you come up with it? For example, why don't we wager when a repeat takes place or in the occurence of 5th or 6th line??
Sorry for asking, but I am the kind of person who likes to know WHY something is happening when it happens!
Thank you in advance,
Cheers,
Michael
Hello Guys, it was a few years ago when I came up with this idea.
What I noticed is that you can go a long time without a repeat street. Now obviously you could back the other 5 streets if you thought this was likely to continue. The only thing I did not like about that was that one loss would wipe out the gain more often than not. My aim was to reduce the bet but keep up some kind of consistency in the winning results.
I tried all kinds of permutations and what struck me was how often you could go on long winning runs and leave out the current street showing and the 6 street (31-36). This would still leave you backing 4 streets and I did a lot of testing on simulators and found that it was ok but still not really what I was looking for. So I came up with the idea of the grid (3 columns) Now it is a long time ago like I said and I would need to go through some of my old research to find out how excactly I worked out all the combinations using the 3 columns. I can certainly remember getting plenty of headaches ;D The end result is what I presented here. The fascinating thing about the bet is how sometimes it can throw up some really long winning runs on what I managed to turn into an even money bet.
The bet I presented above just shows the betting chart for when the 6 street is in the last section.
I have the betting charts for when the 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 is also showing in the last section.
I will type them all out.
The complete betting chart.
No 1 on a 2. bet 2,4,6.
No 1 on a 3. bet 2,3,5,6.
No 1 on a 4. bet 2,3,4,6.
No 1 on a 5. bet 2,4,5.
No 1 on a 6. bet 3,4,5,6.
No 2 on a 1. bet 1,4,5,6.
No 2 on a 3. bet 3,4,6.
No 2 on a 4. bet 1,3,4,5.
No 2 on a 5. bet 3,5,6.
No 2 on a 6. bet 1,3,4,6.
No 3 on a 1. bet 1,2,6.
No 3 on a 2. bet 1,2,6.
No 3 on a 4. bet 4,5,6.
No 3 on a 5. bet 4,5,6.
No 3 on a 6. bet 1,2,4,5,6.
No 4 on a 1. bet 1,2,6.
No 4 on a 2. bet 2,3,5.
No 4 on a 3. bet 3,5,6.
No 4 on a 5. bet 1,2,5.
No 4 on a 6. bet 1,2,3,5,6.
No 5 on a 1. bet 1,2,3.
No 5 on a 2. bet 2,3,4.
No 5 on a 3. bet 1,3,4,6.
No 5 on a 4. bet 1,2,4,6.
No 5 on a 6. bet 2,3,4,6.
''THE 1/1 BET FOR THE 6''
No 6 on a 1. bet 3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,5.
''THE FULL BET FOR THE 6''
No 6 on a 1. bet 2,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 1,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,4,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,3,5.
No 6 on a 5. bet 1,2,3,4.
In the complete betting chart, you will see that quite a few of them are not even chance bets.
It is also a little bit trickier playing the other streets when you find them in the end section as opposed to the '6'.
The missing 6 can be a constant more or less throughout your whole sessions. I suppose it is good to have the choice however. You may enter a session where the 6 street is hot and that will mean something else is pretty cold.
Now that I have added the full betting chart, I will type up some more examples.
cheers.
Here is a snapshot of results from the Spielbank-Wiesbaden Casino on the 31st Jan 2011.
I will use these numbers to show some examples.
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36 = 6.
23 = 4, 4, 4. (1,2,3,5,6)
9 = 2, 3, 4. (1,5,6)
25 = 5, 1, 3. (2,4,6)
10 = 2, 5, 3. (1,4,6)
32 = 6, 5, 4. (1,2,3)
2 = 1, 5, 1. (2,3,4,6)
11 = 2, 2, 1. (3,4,5,6)
28 = 5, 1, 3. (2,4,6)
So just from these first few results, you can already see that the 'missing 6' is a constant. The others are more hit and miss. On saying that, there are times when you will see a 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 go missing for 15+ spins and always appear in the last section.
An example from the numbers I posted above.
Have a look at the first 25 spins.
36 = 6.
23 = 4, 4, 4. (1,2,3,5,6)
9 = 2, 3, 4. (1,5,6)
25 = 5, 1, 3. (2,4,6)
10 = 2, 5, 3. (1,4,6)
32 = 6, 5, 4. (1,2,3)
2 = 1, 5, 1. (2,3,4,6)
11 = 2, 2, 1. (3,4,5,6)
28 = 5, 1, 3. (2,4,6)
36 = 6, 4, 1. (2,3,5)
9 = 2, 1, 2. (3,4,5,6)
5 = 1, 4, 5. (2,3,6)
36 = 6, 1, 5. (2,3,4)
16 = 3, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5,6)
15 = 3, 6, 6. (1,2,4,5)
27 = 5, 5, 2. (1,3,4,6)
28 = 5, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4)
36 = 6, 4, 1. (2,3,5)
31 = 6, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4,5)
13 = 3, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5,6)
35 = 6, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5)
35 = 6, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4,5)
35 = 6, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4,5)
2 = 1, 5, 1. (2,3,4,6)
16 = 3, 4, 2. (1,5,6)
The 1 street is pretty hot in the first section. It appears 7 times in a row from number 2 to number 36.
Then it goes cold 9 times out of 10 from number 16 to number 35.
Betting the 1 street from the number 16 would have produced a profit of plus 8 units and has the following win/loss sequence. WWWLWWWWL.
From the number 5, the 2 street is in the missing section 12 times out of 13.
Betting the 2 street from the number 5 would have produced a profit of plus 17 units and has the following win loss sequence. WWWLWWWWWWWL.
It would require some kind of tracker, but an idea could be to monitor the W/L sequence for all combinations and formulate some betting strategies from there.
Another more complex angle to look at is how many numbers are appearing in the first section.
you may see the following....
36 = 6, 4, 1. So here there are three numbers (the 6,4,1)
or you may see.....
31 = 6, 6, 6. Here there is just one number (the 6)
What I have noticed is the long winning runs tend to come when there is a trend of LESS than three numbers in the first section. (ie. you are only looking for 1 or 2)
One of the examples I showed above where the 2 street went missing produced a WWWWWW when the numbers in the first section were 1,1,2,1,1,2. This is DEFINATELY something to look out for.
Here is some further tests using the numbers from the Spielbank-Wiesbaden Casino from February 1st 2011.
I have added an extra section here where I track how many original numbers there are in the first section. The range can only be from 1 to 3.
14 = 3.
28 = 5, 5, 2. (2) (1,3,4,6)
16 = 3, 1, 4. (3) (2,5,6)
20 = 4, 1, 1. (2) (2,3,5,6)
14 = 3, 5, 5. (2) (1,2,4,6)
31 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
17 = 3, 3, 3. (1) (1,2,4,5,6)
29 = 5, 5, 2. (2) (1,3,4,6)
So you can see here that the section I added is indicating that we are averaging only 2 numbers in the first section. This means that the average sum of numbers in the second section will be 4.
This is great for us because it is now more than likely that our missing number will remain missing if this average continues.
Take the 2 street as an example. It is missing from the number 16.
From there, the W/L sequence is as follows. W(+3) W(+2) W(+3) W(+2) L(-3) Total +7.
That's really what this is all about. It's an analysis tool helping to guide you through a session.
You still have to be able to think for yourself and use it to best effect.
Forum members were talking about reading randomness a few years ago and this was my first attempt at achieving it.
John,
I haven't been keeping up - massive snow storm where I live for 2 days - sorry.
I read this thread over and over and I'm just confused - not your fault but mine.
Can you recap what you are doing into kind of a cookbook?
Thanks, snowy MauiSunset
I should point out that in the first few posts when discussing this method, I was suggesting to use the pluscoup progression for the 'missing 6 street'. Of course you can also flat bet this if you like.
I forgot to ask MyTHOS_R75 if he was using the progression with the tests that he performed at Dublinbet.
MauiSunset, I will show another few examples later today and start from the top again. To understand everything probably requires you to have the betting chart and the markings template at hand. I will put it all in one post.
cheers.
Here will be an attempt to put everything together in the one post. Hopefully this will avoid any confusion.
The bet revolves around playing the streets.
These are as follows. 1-6 = 1. 7-12 = 2. 13-18 = 3. 19-24 = 4. 25-30 = 5. 31-36 = 6.
There are two things you require to play this method. You need the markings template and the betting chart.
MARKING TEMPLATE.
1-1 = 1,6,6. (2,3,4,5)
1-2 = 2,2,1. (3,4,5,6)
1-3 = 3,4,2. (1,5,6)
1-4 = 4,5,3. (1,2,6)
1-5 = 5,3,4. (1,2,6)
1-6 = 6,1,5. (2,3,4)
2-1 = 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
2-2 = 2,6,6. (1,3,4,5)
2-3 = 3,2,1. (4,5,6)
2-4 = 4,3,2. (1,5,6)
2-5 = 5,1,3. (2,4,6)
2-6 = 6,5,4. (1,2,3)
3-1 = 1,2,4. (3,5,6)
3-2 = 2,4,5. (1,3,6)
3-3 = 3,6,6. (1,2,4,5)
3-4 = 4,1,1. (2,3,5,6)
3-5 = 5,5,2. (1,3,4,6)
3-6 = 6,3,3. (1,2,4,5)
4-1 = 1,1,3. (2,4,5,6)
4-2 = 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
4-3 = 3,5,5. (1,2,4,6)
4-4 = 4,6,6. (1,2,3,5)
4-5 = 5,4,1. (2,3,6)
4-6 = 6,2,2. (1,3,4,6)
5-1 = 1,3,2. (4,5,6)
5-2 = 2,5,3. (1,4,6)
5-3 = 3,1,4. (2,5,6)
5-4 = 4,2,5. (1,3,6)
5-5 = 5,6,6. (1,2,3,4)
5-6 = 6,4,1. (2,3,5)
6-1 = 1,5,1. (2,3,4,6)
6-2 = 2,1,2. (3,4,5,6)
6-3 = 3,3,3. (1,2,4,5,6)
6-4 = 4,4,4. (1,2,3,5,6)
6-5 = 5,2,5. (1,3,4,6)
6-6 = 6,6,6. (1,2,3,4,5)
BETTING CHART.
No 1 on a 2. bet 2,4,6.
No 1 on a 3. bet 2,3,5,6.
No 1 on a 4. bet 2,3,4,6.
No 1 on a 5. bet 2,4,5.
No 1 on a 6. bet 3,4,5,6.
No 2 on a 1. bet 1,4,5,6.
No 2 on a 3. bet 3,4,6.
No 2 on a 4. bet 1,3,4,5.
No 2 on a 5. bet 3,5,6.
No 2 on a 6. bet 1,3,4,6.
No 3 on a 1. bet 1,2,6.
No 3 on a 2. bet 1,2,6.
No 3 on a 4. bet 4,5,6.
No 3 on a 5. bet 4,5,6.
No 3 on a 6. bet 1,2,4,5,6.
No 4 on a 1. bet 1,2,6.
No 4 on a 2. bet 2,3,5.
No 4 on a 3. bet 3,5,6.
No 4 on a 5. bet 1,2,5.
No 4 on a 6. bet 1,2,3,5,6.
No 5 on a 1. bet 1,2,3.
No 5 on a 2. bet 2,3,4.
No 5 on a 3. bet 1,3,4,6.
No 5 on a 4. bet 1,2,4,6.
No 5 on a 6. bet 2,3,4,6.
''THE 1/1 (even money) BET FOR THE 6''
No 6 on a 1. bet 3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,5.
''THE FULL BET FOR THE 6''
No 6 on a 1. bet 2,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 1,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,4,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,3,5.
No 6 on a 5. bet 1,2,3,4.
Because I have included the marking template, you don't need to make any difficult or time consuming calculations. It is all pretty much straightforward.
I will run through a few actuals and show you how things work.
13 = 3. Here is the starting point, you note down the actual number and the street it belongs to.
35 = 6. Here is where you need to start using the marking template. The last street was 3 and the current street is 6. So you need to check the marking template and go to 3-6.
You will see the following. 6, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5) Now you already have the 6, all you need to do is fill in the rest of the information.
So now your scorecard will look like this...
13 =3.
35 = 6, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5)
26 = 5, 2, 5. (1,3,4,6)
28 = 5, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4)
7 = 2, 5, 3. (1,4,6)
31 = 6, 5, 4. (1,2,3)
21 = 4, 4, 4. (1,2,3,5,6)
33 = 6, 2, 2. (1,3,4,5)
31 = 6, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4,5)
There are the first 9 numbers from Table 3 at the Spielbank Wiesbaden Casino in Germany from the
26th of January 2011.
What you are looking for to have a bet is finding numbers in the bracketed section that keep repeating in the next bracketed section. A number that shows in the bracketed section will be absent from the other section of numbers and vice versa.
So you can see that the 1 appears in all the bracketed sections that I typed out.
So I am now going to have a bet that the 1 will continue in the bracketed section. How do I go about it? I note that the current number out is 35 which belongs to street 6. So I go to the betting chart and look for 'no 1 on a 6' I see that I am required to bet on streets 3,4,5,6.
The next number out is 26 which belongs to street 5 therefore I have had a winner and am in profit +2 units.
As long as the 1 keeps appearing in the bracketed section, I will continue to bet. So now the current number out is 26 belonging to street 5. In the betting chart, I look for 'no 1 on a 5' I see that I am required to bet on streets 2,4,5.
The next number out is 28 which belongs to street 5 therefore I have won again. This time I won +3 units.
The next bet is just a repeat of the last bet because the current number (28) belongs to street 5. So I bet streets 2,4,5.
The next number out is 7 which belongs to street 2. Another winner. This time I won +3 units.
For the next bet, I look at the betting chart for 'no 1 on a 2' I am required to bet streets 2,4,6.
The next number out is 31 belonging to street 6. Another winner. A further profit of +3 units.
For the next bet, I look at the betting chart for 'no 1 on a 6' I am required to bet streets 3,4,5,6.
The next number out is 21 belonging to street 4. Another winner. A further profit of +2 units.
For the next bet, I look at the betting chart for 'no 1 on a 4' I am required to bet streets 2,3,4,6.
The next number out is 33 belonging to street 6. Another winner. A further profit of +2 units.
For the next bet, I look at the betting chart for 'no 1 on a 6' I am required to bet streets 3,4,5,6.
The next number out is 31 belonging to street 6. Another winner. A further profit of +2 units. The total profit is now +17 units. The next bet was a loss bringing the total win to +13 units.
That is the basic premise behind the idea.
One thing I will point out is that the '6 street' tends to appear in the bracketed section on a more consistent basis than any other street. I have had winning runs of 15+ on this.
This is more of an analysis tool than anything else. It can help you to see what is happening. It is still up to the player to use it to best effect.
I will also say that you are more likely to get long winning runs when there is a strong trend indicating that only an average of 2 numbers are appearing in the first section. This will then mean that you will see 4 numbers in the bracketed section. This tilts things in your favour.
Let me show you what I mean.
13 =3.
35 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
26 = 5, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,4,6)
28 = 5, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,4)
7 = 2, 5, 3. (3) (1,4,6)
31 = 6, 5, 4. (3) (1,2,3)
21 = 4, 4, 4. (1) (1,2,3,5,6)
33 = 6, 2, 2. (2) (1,3,4,5)
31 = 6, 6, 6. (1) (1,2,3,4,5)
You will see I have added in an extra bracketed section which shows how many numbers are appearing in the first section. The range can be from 1 to 3. If you add up the 2,3,2,3,3,1,2,1. You get a total of 17. Divide that by the 8 spins and you get 2.125. When you see it trending like 1,2,2,1,1,2,1 etc.... This is a good sign.
There are many ways to play this. You could use neg or positive progressions, flat betting.
I find flat betting with patience works the best. Let's say you get a run of the 1 street for 10 times in a row in the first section. Many times it will then correct itself and have a prolonged period in the bracketed section.
Some kind of tracker monitoring all of the streets using a W/L registry could be a good idea as well for formulating strategies.
Like I said, this was my first foray into trying to read randomness. I just put a few different concepts together and came up with this. I have enjoyed going over it again. I have managed to learn a few things the last few days and hope you get some enjoyment out of it should you wish to test it and use it.
Cheers.
Thanks John, this is MUCH more clear.
I have a question on a 6 on 1:
''THE 1/1 BET FOR THE 6''
No 6 on a 1. bet 3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,5.
''THE FULL BET FOR THE 6''
No 6 on a 1. bet 2,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 1,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,4,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,3,5.
No 6 on a 5. bet 1,2,3,4.
I don't understand what this means - which one do I use?
Thanks
For the 'missing 6' I prefer to use the 1/1 betting chart. However there are times when the trend can run against you and you bet the 1,2,5 for the '6 on a 4' and the 3 street shows up, then you bet the 1,2,5 and a 4 shows up. You have a choice here of either waiting for it to get back on track or change over to the 4 street betting chart.
Don't let the wheel beat you up. If a trend is going against you, find something else to bet or take a break. Stubborness can wipe out a bankroll in no time at all.
I came up with all this stuff around 2007/2008. The problem I soon found which is the same for everyone is how can you predict anything with any accuracy. If the 1 street goes missing for 5 times in a row, does that make it more likely to be missing on the next spin as well? Of course not. And vice versa, if the one appears for 5 times in a row, does that make it any more likely to keep on appearing? no. This is where you get to with hot and cold numbers, streets etc... You can spend years going around in circles trying to work this one out.
My personal opinion is that the answer lies in the 'timing' of your bets. You need to build a framework which gives you some solid betting triggers. This is where I will be heading next on this blog. I moved away from this original idea with the streets and started to look at the lanes and explored different ideas for finding the right moment to place a bet.
I agree with what you say John. I think another important key to the puzzle, which people sometimes forget, lies in virtual betting. You do not have to bet on every spin, put 1 on red and 1 on black and hope zero doesn't hit! lol
Here are the first 60 results from today at the Spielbank-Wiesbaden Casino for testing purposes.
29 = 5.
24 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
21 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
23 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
24 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
10 = 2, 3, 4. (3) (1,5,6)
23 = 4, 3, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
1 = 1, 1, 3. (2) (2,4,5,6)
32 = 6, 1, 5. (3) (2,3,4)
15 = 3, 3, 3. (1) (1,2,4,5,6)
33 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
22 = 4, 4, 4. (1) (1,2,3,5,6)
3 = 1, 1, 3. (2) (2,4,5,6)
18 = 3, 4, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
16 = 3, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,4,5)
35 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
22 = 4, 4, 4. (1) (1,2,3,5,6)
28 = 5, 4, 1. (3) (2,3,6)
23 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
15 = 3, 5, 5. (2) (1,2,4,6)
18 = 3, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,4,5)
10 = 2, 4, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
19 = 4, 3, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
17 = 3, 5, 5. (2) (1,2,4,6)
15 = 3, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,4,5)
10 = 2, 4, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
36 = 6, 5, 4. (3) (1,2,3)
28 = 5, 2, 5. (2) (1,3,4,6)
5 = 1, 3, 2. (3) (4,5,6)
32 = 6, 1, 5. (3) (2,3,4)
21 = 4, 4, 4. (1) (1,2,3,5,6)
9 = 2, 3, 4. (3) (1,5,6)
19 = 4, 3, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
21 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
1 = 1, 1, 3. (2) (2,4,5,6)
6 = 1, 6, 6. (2) (2,3,4,5)
24 = 4, 5, 3. (3) 1,2,6)
7 = 2, 3, 4. (3) (1,5,6)
30 = 5, 1, 3. (3) (2,4,6)
19 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
26 = 5, 4, 1. (3) (2,3,6)
13 = 3, 1, 4. (3) (2,5,6)
16 = 3, 6, 6. (2) 1,2,4,5)
35 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
28 = 5, 2, 5. (2) (1,3,4,6)
10 = 2, 5, 3. (3) (1,4,6)
3 = 1, 4, 5. (3) (2,3,6)
14 = 3, 4, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
19 = 4, 1, 1. (2) (2,3,5,6)
20 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
16 = 3, 5, 5. (2) (1,2,4,6)
21 = 4, 1, 1. (2) (2,3,5,6)
29 = 5, 4, 1. (3) (2,3,6)
24 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
31 = 6, 2, 2. (2) (1,3,4,5)
18 = 3, 3, 3. (1) (1,2,4,5,6)
30 = 5, 5, 2. (2) (1,3,4,6)
2 = 1, 3, 2. (3) (4,5,6)
13 = 3, 4, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
27 = 5, 5, 2. (2) (1,3,4,6)
21 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
If any of you guys have any ideas of your own regarding this, then please feel free to share.
Something struck me last night as I was reading one of my favourite roulette books (no rest for the wicked ;D)
It's called 'Thirteen against the bank' by Norman Leigh. Some of you will be aware the author took a team over to France and more or less forced the casino to put up the white flag by the use of his 'reverse labouche' betting plan.
Take a look at the 60 results I typed out above and pay particular attention to the missing 1 in the last section.
I will type out when it appeared and missed using the following notation. W = HIT. L = MISS.
WWWWWWLLWWWLWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWLLWWWWLLWWLWLLWWWW
LWLWWLLWWWWLWWW These are the 60 results.
As you can see there is plenty of scope here for using the reverse labouche. The trick will come in adjusting the stakes slightly when you are required to bet on 4 streets as opposed to 3. Maybe it is just a case of only backing the 1/1 bets that appear.
If the above scenario was an even money chance all the way through. This is what a reverse labouche would end up looking like which started at 1 1 1 1.
18,20,22,24,26,30,34,43,52,61,77,93,109,127,145,163. = 1044 units.
Norman leigh had a team playing all the even chances hoping one of them would produce a long winning string and break the table limit. The key to making a reverse labouche work is to avoid too many consecutive losses wiping out your string because as some of you know, you are only adding one figure onto your string on a win and taking two away on a loss. However the method I am describing on this blog does produce long consecutive winning runs. Therefore it may be worth exploring the reverse labouche in more detail.
Quote from: John Gold on February 02, 2011, 06:43:53 PM
Here are the first 60 results from today at the Spielbank-Wiesbaden Casino for testing purposes.
29 = 5.
24 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
21 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
23 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
24 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
10 = 2, 3, 4. (3) (1,5,6)
23 = 4, 3, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
1 = 1, 1, 3. (2) (2,4,5,6)
32 = 6, 1, 5. (3) (2,3,4)
15 = 3, 3, 3. (1) (1,2,4,5,6)
33 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
22 = 4, 4, 4. (1) (1,2,3,5,6)
3 = 1, 1, 3. (2) (2,4,5,6)
18 = 3, 4, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
16 = 3, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,4,5)
35 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
22 = 4, 4, 4. (1) (1,2,3,5,6)
28 = 5, 4, 1. (3) (2,3,6)
23 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
15 = 3, 5, 5. (2) (1,2,4,6)
18 = 3, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,4,5)
10 = 2, 4, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
19 = 4, 3, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
17 = 3, 5, 5. (2) (1,2,4,6)
15 = 3, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,4,5)
10 = 2, 4, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
36 = 6, 5, 4. (3) (1,2,3)
28 = 5, 2, 5. (2) (1,3,4,6)
5 = 1, 3, 2. (3) (4,5,6)
32 = 6, 1, 5. (3) (2,3,4)
21 = 4, 4, 4. (1) (1,2,3,5,6)
9 = 2, 3, 4. (3) (1,5,6)
19 = 4, 3, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
21 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
1 = 1, 1, 3. (2) (2,4,5,6)
6 = 1, 6, 6. (2) (2,3,4,5)
24 = 4, 5, 3. (3) 1,2,6)
7 = 2, 3, 4. (3) (1,5,6)
30 = 5, 1, 3. (3) (2,4,6)
19 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
26 = 5, 4, 1. (3) (2,3,6)
13 = 3, 1, 4. (3) (2,5,6)
16 = 3, 6, 6. (2) 1,2,4,5)
35 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
28 = 5, 2, 5. (2) (1,3,4,6)
10 = 2, 5, 3. (3) (1,4,6)
3 = 1, 4, 5. (3) (2,3,6)
14 = 3, 4, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
19 = 4, 1, 1. (2) (2,3,5,6)
20 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
16 = 3, 5, 5. (2) (1,2,4,6)
21 = 4, 1, 1. (2) (2,3,5,6)
29 = 5, 4, 1. (3) (2,3,6)
24 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
31 = 6, 2, 2. (2) (1,3,4,5)
18 = 3, 3, 3. (1) (1,2,4,5,6)
30 = 5, 5, 2. (2) (1,3,4,6)
2 = 1, 3, 2. (3) (4,5,6)
13 = 3, 4, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
27 = 5, 5, 2. (2) (1,3,4,6)
21 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
If any of you guys have any ideas of your own regarding this, then please feel free to share.
John,
In the above data, when do you decide to start betting? Any rules of thumb?
In: 24 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6) what is the (3)? It's not on your "Marking Template" You seem to call it "The range".
Also, the cluster:
21 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
23 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
24 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
Are from the same street, #4, does this enter into your decisions somewhere?
Thanks
John, what am I doing wrong here?
9 = 5.
24 = 4, 2, 5. (3) (1,3,6)
21 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
23 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
24 = 4, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,3,5)
At this point I see 1 appearing so that's what I'm going to bet: #24 is Street 4, so 1 on a 4 and I bet streets:2,3,4,6.
10 spins and I am a winner $5 - $3 in bets = +$2
10 = 2, 3, 4. (3) (1,5,6)
I still see 1 and 5 showing up so I stick with 1 and bet #10 is Street 2, so 1 on a 2 and I bet streets: 2,4,6.
23 spins and I am a winner of $5 - $2 = $3
23 = 4, 3, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
I still see 1 and 5 and stick with 1 and bet with 1 and #23 is Street 4, so 1 on a 4 and bet streets: 2,3,4,6
1 spins and I lose $4
1 = 1, 1, 3. (2) (2,4,5,6)
I don't see street 1 but street 5 appears a lot and bet with 5 and #1 is Street 1, so 5 on a 1 and bet streets: 1,2,3
32 = 6, 1, 5. (3) (2,3,4)
32 spins and I lose $3
15 = 3, 3, 3. (1) (1,2,4,5,6)
33 = 6, 3, 3. (2) (1,2,4,5)
22 = 4, 4, 4. (1) (1,2,3,5,6)
3 = 1, 1, 3. (2) (2,4,5,6)
18 = 3, 4, 2. (3) (1,5,6)
16 = 3, 6, 6. (2) (1,2,4,5)
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I'm down $2 so far - what am I doing wrong?
Thanks
MauiSunset, I need to go out soon and take care of a few things. I will be back later and answer your questions.
One thing I noticed was your profits. If you place a chip on a street, you are returned 5/1 plus keep your original stake. So in the case of a win here, you are +2 units. I am not sure where you are getting the +1 from.
cheers.
Quote from: John Gold on February 03, 2011, 12:02:03 PM
MauiSunset, I need to go out soon and take care of a few things. I will be back later and answer your questions.
One thing I noticed was your profits. If you place a chip on a street, you are returned 5/1 plus keep your original stake. So in the case of a win here, you are +2 units. I am not sure where you are getting the +1 from.
cheers.
What Mistake? (I sure goofed and adjusted the post just now)
Sorry, but still down in 4 trades (not that that's something new to me)
MauiSunset asked a few questions which I am going to attempt to answer here.
As far as bet selection goes, the choices are endless but that is not really a good answer.
Here would be my favourites.
In the first couple of posts on this blog when I started explaining this concept, I suggested the 'pluscoup progression' I would like to make a small change to that now. I was reading some of GLC's threads over on the other forum regarding Brett Morton's book. Morton thought the pluscoup progression was a good idea but he would reduce by 1 unit on a loss instead of sticking.
So the idea of pluscoup is that you are looking to make a unit profit and then start over.
The rules are pretty simple. You start betting with 1 unit. If you lose, you have to stick on one unit because you can't go any lower than that. If you win and you have not reached a profit of 1 for the series, then you up the bet to 2 units for the next bet. If you win this bet and are still not in profit for the series by 1 unit, then you need to raise the bet by 1 unit again. Any time you have a loss, reduce the bet by 1 unit. You quit the series when you are in profit by 1 unit.
Just a note on progressions and I think this is important. I never used to rate them. I thought if you could not win flat betting, you were wasting your time. I have changed my mind slightly. The ultimate aim is to win. However you care to go about it is up to you. Here is a good analogy.
Imagine you are challenged to a street fight and you turn up and you are just going to use your bare fists. You figure that is the noble thing to do. Now along comes the opponent and he has brought with him more tools than you would find in a hardware shop and he is going to use them. Well good luck to you chap because I think you are going to need it. You have to do whatever it takes to come out a winner.
You can be creative with progressions. I would imagine most players who use them play every spin. Where does it say that you need to play every spin with a labouchere or any other progression for that matter. I have not studied this area in depth yet but I will make it my business this year to really get stuck into having a look at all the various types of progressions and see if timing can help them perform well enough to come out on top.
Flat betting using good timing would be another way to bet this method. That is what the 'range' is for. If that is trending with 1's and 2's, then you know that you are going to have 4 or 5 numbers in the bracketed section and this gives you a good chance of going on a winning run. (it is just an option, you don't really need to use this if you don't want to.)
Finally, I am going to start testing over the next few days with the 'reverse labouchere' I am thinking that maybe the best way to approach this is to play two numbers at the same time and start the string at 1 1 1 1. Looking at the 60 results I put up earlier, the 1 and 2 would have produced some good results with this type of bet. There will be lots of small losses along the way but in this instance, there would have also being some very nice wins as well.
So that kind of covers where I am at with the betting approach.
There are times when you may be betting for a street to remain missing. (example.. 6 on a 1) and you see that you are required to bet streets 3,4,5. (This is assuming you are playing using the even money betting chart) If the 2 comes up, you have lost. If you had used the betting chart for the 6 on a 1 where you are rquired to bet 4 streets, ie. 2,3,4,5. you would have won. This can go against you when playing the 1/1 bets. What I do is look out for this. If it happens once, stop betting that particular trigger or look for a street which is playing ball. If things are going against you, you don't need to stick with it. After all, that is what this is. It's a tool and you have to play it with your eyes open and see what's going on. It can help you spot trends and you can ride them. When they stop, you should stop and look for something else that is happening. It can be a grind and there are still times you are going to lose. I have not managed to find a way that overcomes the maths, I think at best, you can sometimes slide your way around it. There are more things to beat you than help you win at the roulette table. Only by trying to look underneath the game and get an idea of what is going on, can you try and stay on top of the variance and keep slightly ahead of the game.
I think that about covers it.
Now I am going to present you with some figures and you can make of them what you will.
When I came up with this concept a few years ago, I shared it with a friend in Germany who was a great roulette enthusiast. Unfortunately he passed away early last year. He did a lot of testing with this idea and told me that the 3 and 4 street went missing in the last section more than any other street.
If this is the case and you are exploring the idea of playing some kind of reverse labouchere, I would do some research first.
Using the 60 spin sample from above, here are some statistics.
This shows the number of spins a street goes missing for throughout the 60 spins.
street 1) 2,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1. So here the longest number of spins the 1 was absent for in the last section was only ever 2 at most. The total was only 16 out of 60. That is a great ratio for a reverse labouchere.
street 2) 1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,5. The 5 at the end killed this one. A total of 24 out of 60.
street 3) 3,2,4,2,3,1,2,1,3,3,1,1,1,1,2. A total of 30 out of 60.
street 4) 6,1,1,3,2,2,4,2,3,4,3,1,1. A total of 33 out of 60.
street 5) 1,1,3,1,1,3,1,1,3,3,1,2,1,2. A total of 24 out of 30.
street 6) 3,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1. A total of 17 out of 60.
Looking at the figures for the 3 and the 4 street certainly indicates what old Wolfgang was telling me. I would need to do some longer tests to be certain. When doing my testing on the reverse labouchere, I will be concentrating on streets 1,2,5 and 6.
Quote from: John Gold on February 03, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
Now I am going to present you with some figures and you can make of them what you will.
When I came up with this concept a few years ago, I shared it with a friend in Germany who was a great roulette enthusiast. Unfortunately he passed away early last year. He did a lot of testing with this idea and told me that the 3 and 4 street went missing in the last section more than any other street.
If this is the case and you are exploring the idea of playing some kind of reverse labouchere, I would do some research first.
Using the 60 spin sample from above, here are some statistics.
This shows the number of spins a street goes missing for throughout the 60 spins.
street 1) 2,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1. So here the longest number of spins the 1 was absent for in the last section was only ever 2 at most. The total was only 16 out of 60. That is a great ratio for a reverse labouchere.
street 2) 1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,5. The 5 at the end killed this one. A total of 24 out of 60.
street 3) 3,2,4,2,3,1,2,1,3,3,1,1,1,1,2. A total of 30 out of 60.
street 4) 6,1,1,3,2,2,4,2,3,4,3,1,1. A total of 33 out of 60.
street 5) 1,1,3,1,1,3,1,1,3,3,1,2,1,2. A total of 24 out of 30.
street 6) 3,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1. A total of 17 out of 60.
Looking at the figures for the 3 and the 4 street certainly indicates what old Wolfgang was telling me. I would need to do some longer tests to be certain. When doing my testing on the reverse labouchere, I will be concentrating on streets 1,2,5 and 6.
Statistics would say that out of 60 spins:
Street 1: 10 out of 60
Street 2: 10 out of 60
Street 3: 10 out of 60
Street 4: 10 out of 60
Street 5: 10 out of 60
Street 6: 10 out of 60
I'm not sure what you are saying John.
Unfortunately I am no maths whizz. Creativity is probably more my forte.
It just seems that there are plenty of hits for the 1, 2 and 6 street in the last section. (In other words, not appearing in the first section) It is just a case of finding a bet that capitalizes on this and takes advantage of the good streaks.
Hello.
I did a lot of thinking and testing last night regarding all of this and I think I have it narrowed down to what is probably the best way to play it.
It involves just concentrating on when the 6 street is in the last section.
I would also suggest using the full betting chart for the 6 which is as follows.
No 6 on a 1. bet 2,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 1,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,4,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,3,5.
No 6 on a 5. bet 1,2,3,4.
What I am looking for is a parlay (two wins in a row) I am going to suggest the following progression.
1) a. 4. 00 = 4x1. 00 win 6. 00 lose 4. 00
b. 6. 00 = 4x1. 50 win 9. 00 lose 4. 00
2) a. 8. 00 = 4x2. 00 win 12. 00 lose 12. 00
b. 12. 00 = 4x3. 00 win 18. 00 lose 12. 00
3) a. 16. 00 = 4x4. 00 win 24. 00 lose 28. 00
b. 24. 00 = 4x6. 00 win 36. 00 lose 28. 00
4) a. 24. 00 = 4x6. 00 win 36. 00 lose 52. 00
b. 36. 00 = 4x9. 00 win 54. 00 lose 52. 00
5) a. 44. 00 = 4x11. 00 win 66. 00 lose 96. 00
b. 66. 00 = 4x16. 50 win 99. 00 lose 96. 00
6) a. 80. 00 = 4x20. 00 win 120. 00 lose 176. 00
b. 120. 00 = 4x30. 00 win 180. 00 lose 176. 00
7) a. 144. 00 = 4x36. 00 win 216. 00 lose 320. 00
b. 216. 00 = 4x54. 00 win 324. 00 lose 320. 00
8> a. 260. 00 = 4x65. 00 win 390. 00 lose 580. 00
b. 390. 00 = 4x97. 50 win 585. 00 lose 580. 00
9) a. 480 = 4x120. 00 win 720. 00 lose 1060. 00
b. 720. 00 = 4x180. 00 win 1080. 00 lose 1060. 00
total bankroll needed 1060. 00
win at different levels.
1)5. 00
2)6. 00
3)8. 00
4)2. 00
5)3. 00
6)4. 00
7)4. 00
8)5. 00
9)20. 00
This gives you a lot of chances to hit two in a row and come away with a profit.
You start of on level 1 looking to hit 2 consecutive wins. If you lose the first step of level 1, you move up to level 2.
You may win the first step on a level but lose the second step, you will then move up a level.
When you win both bets on any level, you are in profit and start all over again at level 1.
I have went through all my testing results and can't find any game which was a loser.
This looks like a rock solid bet to me.
I will be back with some examples later.
Playing this idea with the 60 spin sample above would have produced the following results.
Win on level 4 on spin 7. (number 23)
Win on level 3 on spin 13. (number 3)
Win on level 3 on spin 18. (number 28)
Win on level 1 on spin 20. (number 15)
Win on level 2 on spin 23. (number 19)
Win on level 3 on spin 29. (number 5)
Win on level 2 on spin 32. (number 9)
Win on level 3 on spin 38. (number 7)
Win on level 1 on spin 40. (number 19)
Win on level 1 on spin 42. (number 13)
Win on level 3 on spin 46. (number 10)
Win on level 1 on spin 48. (number 14)
Win on level 2 on spin 52. (number 21)
Win on level 1 on spin 54. (number 24)
Win on level 2 on spin 57. (number 30)
Win on level 1 on spin 59. (number 13)
Win on level 1 on spin 61. (number 21)
I hope you get the idea, that was just a quick run through of the numbers above.
7 wins on level 1.
4 wins on level 2.
5 wins on level 3.
1 win on level 4.
Maybe you don't even need 9 levels. That can be played around with a bit.
The profit for the above would have reached +101.00.
John,
Why do you think the 6 street shows up so much? Or seems to be so critical?
I am not 100% sure mate. I am going to do some testing with this new idea of mine at challengejackpot's auto wheel. I will be in chat if anyone would like me to guide them through it. cheers.
Worked well in the brief period I tested it on the autowheel.
6 wins.
3 on level 1.
1 on level 2.
1 on level 3.
1 on level 4.
I wished my english was better. . . . i see a lot of topics and i know a little what they mean. . . but a lot of words that are used i don't understand. That's why it's sometimes hard to see the complete picture.
I have some questions.
Quote from: John Gold link=topic=17751. msg127487#msg127487 date=1296665699
13 = 3. Here is the starting point, you note down the actual number and the street it belongs to.
You mean 13 is your first spin?
Quote from: John Gold link=topic=17751. msg127487#msg127487 date=1296665699
35 = 6. Here is where you need to start using the marking template. The last street was 3 and the current street is 6. So you need to check the marking template and go to 3-6.
You will see the following. 6, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5) Now you already have the 6, all you need to do is fill in the rest of the information.
So now your scorecard will look like this. . .
13 =3.
35 = 6, 3, 3. (1,2,4,5)
26 = 5, 2, 5. (1,3,4,6)
28 = 5, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4)
7 = 2, 5, 3. (1,4,6)
31 = 6, 5, 4. (1,2,3)
21 = 4, 4, 4. (1,2,3,5,6)
33 = 6, 2, 2. (1,3,4,5)
31 = 6, 6, 6. (1,2,3,4,5)
There are the first 9 numbers from Table 3 at the Spielbank Wiesbaden Casino in Germany from the
26th of January 2011.
What you are looking for to have a bet is finding numbers in the bracketed section that keep repeating in the next bracketed section. A number that shows in the bracketed section will be absent from the other section of numbers and vice versa.
What exactly is a bracketed section? The numbers between the ( ) ?
And how many times must they repeat? And in how many spins? I mean when do you deside to start your bet? Must it be 9 numbers or is that just an example?
Quote from: John Gold link=topic=17751. msg127487#msg127487 date=1296665699
So you can see that the 1 appears in all the bracketed sections that I typed out.
So I am now going to have a bet that the 1 will continue in the bracketed section. How do I go about it? I note that the current number out is 35 which belongs to street 6. So I go to the betting chart and look for 'no 1 on a 6' I see that I am required to bet on streets 3,4,5,6.
The next number out is 26 which belongs to street 5 therefore I have had a winner and am in profit +2 units.
As long as the 1 keeps appearing in the bracketed section, I will continue to bet. So now the current number out is 26 belonging to street 5. In the betting chart, I look for 'no 1 on a 5' I see that I am required to bet on streets 2,4,5.
The next number out is 28 which belongs to street 5 therefore I have won again. This time I won +3 units.
The next bet is just a repeat of the last bet because the current number (28) belongs to street 5. So I bet streets 2,4,5.
The next number out is 7 which belongs to street 2. Another winner. This time I won +3 units.
For the next bet, I look at the betting chart for 'no 1 on a 2' I am required to bet streets 2,4,6.
The next number out is 31 belonging to street 6. Another winner. A further profit of +3 units.
For the next bet, I look at the betting chart for 'no 1 on a 6' I am required to bet streets 3,4,5,6.
The next number out is 21 belonging to street 4. Another winner. A further profit of +2 units.
For the next bet, I look at the betting chart for 'no 1 on a 4' I am required to bet streets 2,3,4,6.
The next number out is 33 belonging to street 6. Another winner. A further profit of +2 units.
For the next bet, I look at the betting chart for 'no 1 on a 6' I am required to bet streets 3,4,5,6.
The next number out is 31 belonging to street 6. Another winner. A further profit of +2 units. The total profit is now +17 units. The next bet was a loss bringing the total win to +13 units.
That is the basic premise behind the idea.
For me this is very confusing. . . it looks like your going back in time with this example. . . . you give 9 numbers and then tell how to bet with the last 8 numbers. . . . but to me it looks like that only after those 9 numbers you see that 1 keeps appearing.
Can you please tell me what you do after the last number 31? Lets say after the last 31 you spin 7 and then 15?
Is it:
7 drops. . . . . so 6-2= 2,1,2. So bet on streets (3,4,5,6)?
15 drops. . . . so 2-3= 3,2,1. So bet on streets (4,5,6)?
Hello Harald,
It seems that you have misunderstood a lot of what I have written. Not to worry, maybe it is my fault for not explaining it very well.
I am not proposing a system here but more a tool for analysis. It kind of gives you an idea as to what is happening on the wheel. Some people like to play streaks/trends. Hopefully I have given some food for thought on how to attack them.
As for an actual system, I did come up with a system from all of this and have put it in the full systems section.
It is titled 'streets of gold'. It is pretty straightforward and I think you should be able to grasp it.
To answer some of your questions however that you posed above.
Yes, 13 was the first number spun.
Yes, the bracketed section is the numbers between the ( ).
In the example, it is correct that the 1 appears in all the bracketed sections. I did that on purpose to show you the long streaks you can find with a particular number constantly appearing. (The 6 is the most constant of the lot.)
You do not bet the streets as they appear in the brackets. There is a betting chart which you need to refer to.
For example if the 1 is constantly appearing in the bracketed section and you want to bet for that to continue, you will look what the current number is on the scoreboard. Let's say it's number 15, this belongs to street 3. So you go to the betting chart and look for no 1 on a 3. You will see that you need to bet streets 2,3,5,6. That is how you would do it.
I hope that clears some things up for you.
Enjoying your Blog John. Please keep it coming! I'm learning alot and very engaged!!
:thumbsup:
Great analytical content, interesting perspective, impressive working progress and well written instructions - thank you
Peace.
33 (6)
34 (6) 6,6,6. (1,2,3,4,5)
05 (1) 1,1,5. (2,3,4,6)
24 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
02 (1) 1,1,3. (2,4,5,6)
20 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
29 (5) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
15 (3) 1,3,4. (2,5,6)
16 (3) 3,6,6. (1,2,4,5)
29 (5) 2,5,5. (1,3,4,6)
17 (3) 1,3,4. (2,5,6)
15 (3) 3,6,6. (1,2,4,5)
23 (4) 1,1,4. (2,3,5,6)
03 (1) 1,1,3. (2,4,5,6)
03 (1) 1,6,6. (2,3,4,5)
27 (5) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
25 (5) 5,6,6. (1,2,3,4)
13 (3) 1,3,4. (2,5,6)
30 (5) 2,5,5. (1,3,4,6)
03 (1) 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
36 (6) 1,5,6. (2,3,4)
23 (4) 4,4,4. (1,2,3,5,6)
22 (4) 4,6,6. (1,2,3,5)
24 (4) 4,6,6. (1,2,3,5)
13 (3) 3,5,5. (1,2,4,6)
23 (4) 1,1,4. (2,3,5,6)
14 (3) 3,5,5. (1,2,4,6)
31 (6) 3,3,6. (1,2,4,5)
06 (1) 1,1,5. (2,3,4,6)
24 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
25 (5) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
33 (6) 1,4,6. (2,3,5)
10 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
The above is the first 33 spins from table 2 at the Spielbank -Wiesbaden Casino from yesterday (1st April 2011)
I covered this method earlier on in the blog but I wanted to just bring it back up one last time because this is where I believe you are going to find your answers to the roulette puzzle.
Every roulette session has a kind of 'signature' to it. It is up to the player to spend some time studying what is going on and then come to his/her conclusions. 15-20 minutes spent looking for this 'signature' is time well spent.
You will notice that the 2 is in the bracketed section 28 times out of the possible 32. (The first number is just a marker)
The run produced WWWWWWWW(L)WWWWWWWW(LL)WWWWWWWWWWWW(L).
You will find this is not a rare occurrence however the missing number (the one which regularly appears in the brackets) will be different from session to session. The missing number if you ignore the 6 is most likely to be either a 1, 2 or 5 with preference for the 1 and 2. This is valuable information for your testing.
The above run produced over +60 units flat betting.
Up as you win progressions can also produce devastatingly good results.
Always remember the wheel has no memory. The missing 2 could have continued for a further 20-25 spins. Never go against something which is showing up strongly.
I have seen whole sessions compromising some 200+ spins that show a very dominant 'signature'.
To win at roulette is simple. You need more winning bets than losing bets. Fancy MM plans can only take you so far before the proverbial hits the fan.
You can beat the odds by having a deeper understanding of how things ebb and flow. This requires staying alert and thinking on your feet.
This probably warrants a few more examples just for clarity.
35 (6)
07 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
26 (5) 1,3,5. (2,4,6)
06 (1) 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
05 (1) 1,6,6. (2,3,4,5)
11 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
35 (6) 4,5,6. (1,2,3)
27 (5) 2,5,5. (1,3,4,6)
25 (5) 5,6,6. (1,2,3,4)
07 (2) 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
18 (3) 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
30 (5) 2,5,5. (1,3,4,6)
12 (2) 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
31 (6) 4,5,6. (1,2,3)
06 (1) 1,1,5. (2,3,4,6)
18 (3) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
08 (2) 2,4,5. (1,3,6)
06 (1) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
20 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
09 (2) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
05 (1) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
06 (1) 1,6,6. (2,3,4,5)
15 (3) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
19 (4) 1,1,4. (2,3,5,6)
18 (3) 3,5,5. (1,2,4,6)
18 (3) 3,6,6. (1,2,4,5)
22 (4) 1,1,4. (2,3,5,6)
25 (5) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
13 (3) 1,3,4. (2,5,6)
18 (3) 3,6,6. (1,2,4,5)
23 (4) 1,1,4. (2,3,5,6)
35 (6) 2,2,6. (1,3,4,5)
08 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
12 (2) 2,6,6. (1,3,4,5)
11 (2) 2,6,6. (1,3,4,5)
31 (6) 4,5,6. (1,2,3)
02 (1) 1,1,5. (2,3,4,6)
28 (5) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
17 (3) 1,3,4. (2,5,6)
04 (1) 1,2,4. (3,5,6)
32 (6) 1,5,6. (2,3,4)
14 (3) 3,3,3. (1,2,4,5,6)
30 (5) 2,5,5. (1,3,4,6)
12 (2) 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
02 (1) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
29 (5) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
03 (1) 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
12 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
31 (6) 4,5,6. (1,2,3)
11 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
36 (6) 4,5,6. (1,2,3)
34 (6) 6,6,6. (1,2,3,4,5)
10 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
09 (2) 2,6,6. (1,3,4,5)
06 (1) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
23 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
05 (1) 1,1,3. (2,4,5,6)
20 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
27 (5) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
19 (4) 2,4,5. (1,3,6)
07 (2) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
36 (6) 4,5,6. (1,2,3)
26 (5) 2,5,5. (1,3,4,6)
W/L sequence for the 1 in the bracketed section.
LLLLL WWWW L WWW L WW L WW LL W L WW LLL W L W L WWW L W LLL WWW
L W LL W L WW L W L W L W L WWWW. 34 wins versus 28 losses.
W/L sequence for the 2 in the bracketed section.
L W L W L W L W LLLL WW LL WW L WW L WWWWWWWW LLLL WWWW L WW LL
WW LL W L WW LL WWWWW LL W L. 35 wins versus 27 losses.
W/L sequence for the 3 in the bracketed section.
W LL WWWWW LL W L WW L WW LL WW L W LL WW LL WWWWWWW LL WW
L W L W LL WWWWWWWW LLL WW L WW. 39 wins versus 23 losses.
W/L sequence for the 4 in the bracketed section.
WWWWW L WWWWWW L W LLLLLL W LL WW LLL W L WWWW L W LLL WWWW
LL WW L W L WWW LL W LLLLL W. 33 wins versus 29 losses.
W/L sequence for the 5 in the bracketed section.
W L WWW LLLL W LLLL W LLL W L WWW L WW L WWWWWWW LLL WW L W
LLLL WW L W L WWW LL W LLL W LL. 30 wins versus 32 losses.
W/L sequence for the 6 in the bracketed section.
WWW L W L W L WWWW L WWWWWWW L WWW L WWW L W L W LLL WWWW
L WWWWWWW L W LL W L WWWWWWW L W. 45 wins versus 17 losses.
Looking at some consecutive win and loss streaks produced the following results.
4 LOSS X 6.
5 LOSS X 1.
6 LOSS X 1.
4 WIN X 7.
5 WIN X 3.
6 WIN X 1.
7 WIN X 5.
8 WIN X 2.
If I break the loss sequences down into numbers.....
1) 5,1,1,1,2,1,3,1,1,1,3,1,2,1,1,1,1,1.
2) 1,1,1,1,4,1,1,1,4,1,2,2,1,2,2,1.
3) 2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,2,1,1,2,3,1.
4) 1,1,6,2,3,1,1,3,2,1,1,2,4.
5) 1,4,4,3,1,1,1,3,1,4,1,1,2,3,2.
6) 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,3,1,1,2,1,1.
Naturally the 6 will have mostly short loss sequences.
The 4 should have the most lengthy loss sequences.
The 3 would be brilliant for betting purposes because of the very consistent nature of the short losses. This is something I always look out for.
The 5 was showing itself not to be consistent for short loss sequences and would be avoided.
This is why I say it pays to just spend 10-15 minutes watching and seeing what the wheel is throwing up. It can give you all kinds of clues. It only takes one bet to dip your toe in the water and see if things will continue on in the same fashion. There will be a point where it will and you can go on an extended win streak.
The betting chart that I typed out earlier on in the blog covers the bets for the bracketed numbers.
Don't forget you can also bet opposite.
Just because no consistent loss sequences are showing does not mean you can't have a bet. Looking at the 4 and 5 above shows you there is more than one way to skin a cat.
When you are experienced enough to use all the information at your disposal, you will find there is nearly always something that is happening that you can try and take advantage of.
The trick is staying alert and getting in and out with a small profit and trying to repeat this as many times as you can. It really works and just takes a bit of effort.
There is a lot of discussion about bet selection again at the moment and posters are asking 'where do I bet and why?'
So I am going to show an example of how I do this using the method I have explained in this thread.
This will be like a running commentary of events.
13 (3)
11 (2) 2,4,5. (1,3,6)
So I am just getting into the game here. I like to look at a few spins and see what is happening before I decide on betting anything. Straight away, I notice the 6 is where it 'normally' is.
16 (3) 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
So the 6 may be playing ball and this could be one of those periods where it continues to appears in the bracketed section for a prolonged period. I will stick my toe in and see what happens.
I will be betting no 6 on a 3 which means I have to bet the 1,2,5.
35 (6) 3,3,6. (1,2,4,5)
A loss to start up with and I am - 3. Not to worry. Serves me right for probably jumping in to soon.
27 (5) 2,5,5. (1,3,4,6)
There is nothing taking my eye at the moment. Nothing consistent is happening and it is just a case of probably marking a few more spins and seeing how the land lies.
29 (5) 5,6,6. (1,2,3,4)
A few things are starting to take shape now. The 4 has repeated 4 times in the bracketed section. I don't really like playing the 4 in this section. It tends to not go on too many long runs.
I notice the 1 has also repeated 3 times in the bracketed section. I am not 100% certain in my own mind what to do here. So the best thing is not to bet and just see what happens.
07 (2) 2,3,5. (1,4,6.)
Well I could have took my choice there if I wanted to. One thing I just noticed is that the betting for no 1 on a 5 was 2,4,5 and the betting for no 4 on a 5 was 1,2,5. I could have played the combined bet of 1,2,4,5. I never thought of that, lol.
04 (1) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
So now the 1 and 4 have migrated to the opposite section. The 5 has appeared in the 1st section 4 times in a row. So if I wanted to play for the 5 to come out on a 1, I would bet the 4,5,6 (which is the exact opposite of NO 5 on a 1 which would have required me to bet 1,2,3. OK, I am going for the 5 to continue and betting the 4,5,6.
14 (3) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
Another loss there taking me to -6. The 6 has appeared again in the bracketed section and that is 4 times out of the last 5. I am going to go for that. No 6 on a 3 requires me to bet 1,2,5 on the 1/1 betting chart and 1,2,4,6 on the full betting chart for the missing 6. Because I have lost 2 bets and am - 6, I am going to play it safe and try and recoup some chips. So I will be betting the 1,2,4,6.
19 (4) 1,1,4. (2,3,5,6)
I am glad I chose the safer option and I have won 2 units and am back to – 4.
So now I will be playing no 6 on a 4. I need to bet 1,2,3,5 using the full 6 betting chart.
09 (2) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
Another 2 unit winner taking me to – 2. Nothing much else happening except I notice that the 5 has appeared in the bracketed section for a 3rd consecutive time. I am happy to stick with the missing 6.
No 6 on a 2 requires me to bet 1,3,4,5 using the full 6 betting chart.
01 (1) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
Another + 2 bringing me back to level. I am glad I chose to go down the safe route with the full 6 betting chart or I would have lost 2 out of the last 3 bets. It always pays to keep an eye on this and all you need to do is keep an eye on what's trending. If something is coming up for you, great. If it's not, then DON'T play it and just wait for something that is playing ball. It takes concentration and really keeping an eye on what's going on.
So I am continuing with no 6 on a 1 and need to bet 2,3,4,5 using the full 6 betting chart.
04 (1) 1,6,6. (2,3,4,5)
A loss and back to – 4. This kind of tells me the 6 is out of balance. What with the loss there and the other things I explained. Time to leave that alone for a while. I notice the 5 has appeared in the bracketed section 4 times out of the last 5. Nothing else takes my eye. I will bet for no 5 on a 1. That requires a bet on the 1,2,3.
22 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
A loss there taking me to – 7. Things are not really running smoothly and this an indication to be careful. I notice the 2 has come up 3 times in a row in the bracketed section and the W/L sequence over the last 7/8 spins has not got out of hand. In other words, it is a frequent visitor to the bracketed section. So no 2 on a 4 and I need to bet 1,3,4,5.
29 (5) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
A win of 2 units taking me back to -5. I will continue with no 2 on a 5 and I need to bet 3,5,6.
03 (1) 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
A loss of 3 units there and I am now at – 8. It's amazing sometimes, I notice the 6 has appeared 9 times out of the last 10 spins in the bracketed section. The last 3 bets there would have produced three wins. Sometimes it just takes one little thing to go against you and it can really upset the apple cart. Another sign that this could be a difficult session.
I will look for no 6 on a 1 this time. I need to bet 2,3,4,5 using the full 6 betting chart.
23 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
A win of 2 units taking me back to – 6. So looking again for no 6 on a 4 and I need to bet 1,2,3,5 using the full 6 betting chart..
09 (2) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
Another +2 taking me to – 4. Looking again for the no 6 on a 2. I need to bet 1,3,4,5 using the full 6 betting chart..
28 (5) 1,3,5. (2,4,6)
Another +2 taking me to – 2. Nothing else is very consistent at all in the bracketed section as far as appearing consecutively. The 2 is a kind of 'hit one, miss one' scenario. The 3 has appeared in the other section for the last 4 consecutive spins however. It may pay to keep an eye on that.
So again, no 6 on a 5 and I am betting 1,2,3,4 using the full 6 betting chart.
04 (1) 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
Another +2 and I am back level again. The 6 can be a real saver on so many occasions. I would have been OK playing the 6 using the 1/1 betting chart as well over the last 4/5 spins. The reason I did not is because I was not in profit. I try and always look for the safest option if I am behind and am prepared to take a few more risks when I am in front. I notice that is the 5th consecutive appearance of the 3 in the other section and the 6 has appeared in the bracketed section now for the last 13 times out of 14. (That one time it did not appear for me has really kicked me in the pants, lol) At least it really shows you what is happening. I am not cheating here and using live actuals a spin at a time. So I feel I should have made a profit by now but instead I am level. I am going to take that as a sign to end the session.
I will do a few of these over the next few days and it least it gives you an idea of how I play this.
Here is the second example.
35 (6)
16 (3) 3,3,3. (1,2,4,5,6)
I will wait a few spins and see what happens.
32 (6) 3,3,6. (1,2,4,5)
This could be one of those games where the 6 is choppy. You just never know. You can not exclusively rely on the 6 to be always in the bracketed section when looking for bets.. It pays to shop around, lol.
09 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
The 5 has appeared 3 times in the bracketed section. That is the strongest looking bet at the moment. I am going to bet for no 5 on a 2. I need to bet 2,3,4.
23 (4) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
A winner to start with and a profit of +3. Looking again for no 5 on a 4. I need to bet 1,2,4,6.
03 (1) 1,1,3. (2,4,5,6)
A +2 unit winner taking the total to +5. Could be a nice little run here on the missing 5. Nothing else is really standing out at present. One thing that I like to see is how I am mostly getting at least 4 numbers appearing in the bracketed section. This is always a good sign.
Looking for no 5 on a 1. I need to bet 1,2,3.
22 (4) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
I spoke to soon. A loss of – 3 taking me back to +2. Having a look and I can see the 3 has appeared in the other section on the last 3 spins and the 6 has appeared in the bracketed section for the last 4 appearances. Regarding the 6, I also notice that it would have won on the last 3 spins using the 1/1 betting chart. So considering that I am in slight profit, I would be happy using the 1/1 betting chart for the 6 if that's why I decide to play. Now considering that looks like the strongest option, I will play for the missing 6 on a 4 and need to bet the 1,2,5 using the 1/1 betting chart.
25 (5) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
A winner and +3 to add to the total taking the profit to +5. Well this is going much better than the last session and the 6 looks to be playing ball. The thing is that it can all change in a spin. I know that and have to be ready for it. In other words, I think it pays to quit on a loss most times unless something is extremely strong compared to anything else and you are well in profit. Then I might give something a second chance.
So I am looking for no 6 on a 5 and need to bet 1,2,3,4. (this is still using the 1/1 betting chart for the 6)
11 (2) 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
A winner and another +2 to add to the total taking the profits to +7. Looking for no 6 on a 2 and need to bet 3,4,5.
26 (5) 1,3,5. (2,4,6)
A winner and +3 to add taking the profit now to +10. As for anything else happening, the only really consistent thing seems to be the 3 in the other section. It has produced a W/L sequence in that section of WW L WWW L WW.
The 6 in the bracketed section has produced W L WWWWWWW.
So looking for no 6 on a 5 and I need to bet 1,2,3,4.
08 (2) 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
A further +2 taking the profit to +12. Once again the 3 has appeared in the first section and the 6 in the bracketed section. Like I have said before, it is amazing at times how things can really go on long winning runs. That's why it's important not to chase things that are not happening. A bit of patience can be really rewarded with this particular method. I like to play in short bursts as well. It keeps the concentration intact. Obviously the exception is when you are in the middle of a really hot streak. If you have played for an hour and got to +20 and just suffered a loss, it could be a great time to take a break, have a coffee and recharge the batteries.
Anyway, that is another example and I will do a few more over the weekend.
I have took all the numbers for these tests from live casino results. On saying that, I have tested using random.org numbers and it works just as well.
Cheers.
For anybody wondering what the heck this is all about. I posted a full description of the method in reply 28 on this thread. :)
Last example for the day.
18 (3)
33 (6) 3,3,6. (1,2,4,5)
27 (5) 2,5,5. (1,3,4,6)
Both the 1 and the 4 missing 2 times consecutively in the bracketed section. Funnily enough, this same scenario popped up in my earlier example today. Anyway, no bet here for me.
31 (6) 1,4,6. (2,3,5)
The 3 has missed twice but I will leave it alone for now.
06 (1) 1,1,5. (2,3,4,6)
The 3 has missed again and I will have a go with that and see what happens.
No 3 on a 1. I need to bet 1,2,6.
04 (1) 1,6,6. (2,3,4,5)
A winner of 3 units getting away to a good start. +3.
Will continue to look for the 3 to be absent. The only other constant appears to be the 2 in the bracketed section as well.
So no 3 on a 1. I need to bet 1,2,6.
09 (2) 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
Another +3 taking the total to +6. The 3 is showing a W/L sequence in the bracketed section of
L WWWWW. I see the 1 has 4 times consecutive in the other section.
So no 3 on a 2. I need to bet 1,2,6.
06 (1) 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
Another +3 taking the total gains for this session to +9. Once again the 1 has hit in the other section giving that a W/L sequence in that section of LL WWWWW.
So no 3 on a 1 and I need to bet 1,2,6.
25 (5) 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
A loss there and complete turnaround for the 1 and 3. So – 3 taking me back down to +6 for the session. Looking at the bracketed section, the 6 has hit on the last 3 consecutive spins. It looks like it could be starting to hot up. The 2 is pretty consistent with a W/L sequence in the bracketed section of W L WWW L WW. I will not be boring and play the 6 because that would require putting 4 units into action. If I go for the no 2 on a 5, I only need to bet the 3,5,6. I am going for that.
13 (3) 1,3,4. (2,5,6)
Brilliant! I would have won either way but saved a chip and made another +3 taking me back up to +9 for the session.
So no 2 on a 3 and I need to bet 3,4,6.
07 (2) 2,4,5. (1,3,6)
lol, a short lived victory. Back to +6 for the session again. That's the way the cookie crumbles.
The 6 in the bracketed section is now showing L W L W L WWWWW. The 2 is showing signs of a hit 1, miss 1. But I don't have a no 2 on a 2 anyhow so will need to revert to the 6. (Also bear in mind that because I am in profit, I am using the 1/1 betting chart for the 6 here. If I was showing a loss, I would be playing from the full 6 betting chart.)
So no 6 on a 2 and I need to bet 3,4,5.
23 (4) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
A nice +3 taking things back up to +9. I notice the 4 has appeared 5 times consecutively in the other section.
No 6 on a 4 and I need to bet 1,2,5.
03 (1) 1,1,3. (2,4,5,6)
Another +3 and reaching a new high of +12. Things look to be going well here. If you decide to learn and play this, you will get a real feel for what is happening once you get a bit of experience under your belt. That goes for the bad times as well and in a way, that is more important to know when it's happening than the good times.
So no 6 on a 1 and I need to bet the 3,4,5.
13 (3) 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
Another +3 and up to +15. The only thing here to do is to keep on trucking. A W/L sequence on the no 6 in the bracketed section of L W L W L WWWWWWWW. Even better the 1/1 betting chart for the 6 is working nicely as it does on a lot of occasions.
No 6 on a 3 and I need to bet the 1,2,5.
13 (3) 3,6,6. (1,2,4,5)
Bummer! Oh well back to +12 for the session. A loss is only ever 1 step away. The 5 is looking good in the bracketed section having appeared 4 times consecutively. However I am going to stop here for today. (I had a peek ahead and I would have won on the next bet with the 5 and lost the one after, so I saved 5/10 minutes of typing, lol.) The session ended up +12 anyhow and it was a good one.
So the three sessions today provided a first one that was difficult. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Luckily I was able to catch a run on the 6 with the full betting chart and claw back the 8 units that I was down to get me level and I was happy to quit all square.
The second and third sessions were pretty uncomplicated. The 6 in the bracketed section played a big part in all three sessions. Don't let that fool you however into thinking that's all there is to this method because that would be a wrong assumption. Any of the streets from 1 to 6 can go on long winning/losing runs which you can take advantage of. It is a case of watching and waiting and then hopefully getting in on the ground floor and riding the elevator to the very top.
Cheers.
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2] 2,4,5. (1,3,6)
4] 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
So I will jump in here with no 6 on a 4 and I need to bet 1,2,5.
5] 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
Takes me to +3. I will now bet no 6 on a 5 betting 1,2,3,4.
5] 5,6,6. (1,2,3,4)
A loss there taking me to -1. The 3 has produced a W/L sequence of W L WW in the bracketed section. I will play for no 3 on a 5 and see what happens. I need to bet 4,5,6.
2] 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
Well this is not going well, lol. - 4 in total. The 1 has produced a W/L sequence of WW L WW. Now you could argue that it is due for another loss following that trend. Anyhow, I will be betting for no 1 on a 2 and need to bet 2,4,6.
3] 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
So now sitting at -7. The 4 has appeared 3 times consecutively in the bracketed section. As I have mentioned before, I am not keen on playing the 4 in this section. I will play for no 6 on a 3. I need to bet 1,2,5,6. This is using the full betting chart for the 6. I honestly feel like I am chasing my tail here and my gut tells me to stop playing. Well, it is just an example with no real cash on the table, let's see what happens.
1] 1,2,4. (3,5,6)
A win of 2 units bringing me back to -5. I see the 2 has appeared 3 times consecutively in the other section. In the examples I have shown, I have not really had chance to play anything much in the other section. I can remember just one bet if my memory serves me correct. It is only when nothing is happening in the bracketed section and something is screaming of the page in the other section that I will have a bet there.
So looking for no 6 on a 1 and need to bet 2,3,4,5.
4] 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
A win of 2 units bringing me to -3. What is annoying is that I am using the full betting chart for the 6 and the 1/1 betting chart for the 6 is playing ball at the moment, lol. I like a good moan when things are going against me. (This is how the mind can play tricks on you, I am thinking one more winning bet using the 1/1 betting chart would take me back to level. You can bet your bottom dollar what will happen if I try that.)
So no 6 on a 4 and I need to bet 1,2,3,5. (chicken)
2] 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
A win of 2 units and back to -1. Nothing much else happening at the moment, the 4 is where I like to see it.
So this bet to try and get into a bit of profit for the first time in this session.
No 6 on a 2 and I need to bet 1,3,4,5.
1] 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
Hooray. +1. Playing the full betting chart saved my bacon there as well.
Let's run with it a bit and see what happens.
I will play for no 6 on a 1 and need to bet 2,3,4,5. Because I am in profit, I would normally use the 1/1 betting chart. However because the last bet would have lost using that, I am using a more cautious approach.
6] 1,5,6. (2,3,4)
Back with a bump to -3. There is nothing that really catches the eye at the moment so I am going to play a wait and see game....
1] 1,1,5. (2,3,4,6)
OK. The 2 has a W/L sequence of W L WWW over the last 5 spins.
No 2 on a 1 and I need to bet 1,4,5,6.
6] 1,5,6. (2,3,4)
A 2 unit gain and back to -1. This is one of those instances where the 6 is hit and miss. Hopefully the 2 can go on a bit of run. I notice the 1 has appeared 4 times consecutively in the other section as well.
So no 2 on a 6 and I need to bet 1,3,4,6.
1] 1,1,5. (2,3,4,6)
Another 2 unit gain and back to +1 for the session.
So no 2 on a 1 and I need to bet the 1,4,5,6.
2] 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
Back to -3 again. Well a few things happening here. The 1 has now hit 6 consecutive times in the other section and the 4 has hit 5 consecutive in the bracketed section.
I am going to play for the 1 to hit in the other section again. I need to bet the 1,3,5. (to arrive at this bet, just work out the opposite of what NO 1 on a 2 would be.)
5] 1,3,5. (2,4,6)
Back to 'levels you devils' again. I like the look of this 1 in the other section. It is hot!
So looking for a 1 in the other section again and betting the 1,3,6.
1] 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
Up to an earth shattering +3 now. WOOHOOOOO.
The 1 in the other section is showing a W/L sequence of WWWWWWWW over the last 8 spins and the 4 is showing a W/L sequence of WWWWWWW over the last 7 spins in the bracketed section.
I don't actually have a bet figured out for the no 1 on a 1 to work out what the opposite is, lol.
So I will have to go for the next best option. No 4 on a 1 and I need to bet 1,2,6.
2] 1,2,2. (3,4,5,6)
Well that worked out and now up to +6 for the session. The 1 came as well. (I will need to try and figure something out for that because that could crop up again)
So back to the 1 in the other section because that is outstripping the 4 in the bracketed section by 1.
So looking for the 1 in the other section and I need to bet the 1,3,5.
3] 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
Another +3 taking the total profit for the session to +9 and things are looking good here.
The 1 has hit 10 in a row in the other section and the 4 has unusually hit 9 times in the bracketed section.
So now I am looking for the 1 in the other section and need to bet 1 and 4.
6] 3,3,6. (1,2,4,5)
Well I suppose it could not go on forever. Back to +7.
I am going to end the session here. The 4 is still in the bracketed section and has now appeared 10 times consecutively. If I were to bet it to remain there, it would require a 5 unit bet on the next spin betting the 1,2,3,5,6. I don't fancy the sucker punch of giving back my profit. The 6 is still a bit hit and miss and I notice the 5 has come up 4 times consecutive in the bracketed section.
Anyhow, I will stop there with a +7 result. Not bad really considering it got of to a real sticky start.
I am happy the way this session turned out because it allowed me to show you a few of the different options available. There are times when it could be something is really hot in the other section and it is worth playing.
I think that is enough examples to show anybody interested in this how I go about things.
It is not an exact science. Some of you may think there is no way that you could actually play this in a real casino but trust me, you most certainly can. You just need to keep your cool and make sure you have a way of writing everything down so that you can see at a glance what trends are forming.
Be as creative as you like. I have never encountered any problems in a casino when I take in my notebook and a few pens. (I even take a small ruler in as well, lol) I am a bit of a perfectionist.
So there you have it. Hopefully you have noticed that things never really get out of hand.
Admittedly however I have only shown a few small examples. The thing is to think on your feet and rely on your instinct. Your gut will tell you when things are not right and you need to step back.
To begin with, it may be a good idea to have a stop loss of 10-15 units or something like that.
If you make a few mistakes and have a few losing sessions, it is not the end of the world that way.
Slowly build up your confidence and get a feel for things. Good luck.
All the examples above are EXACTLY how I would go about my business in a B+M casino.
I don't go there to get rich! I go because I enjoy the challenge of trying to beat the game of roulette.
Guys I am going to tell you something and this is the truth. When I lived in London, I was good friends with a very successful businessman who had an estimated fortune of at least £10 million.
Over a period of about 3 years, he lost everything in the casino and is now actually in Jail for attempted robbery. His philosophy was that you could 'outmuscle' the casino with money.
You can't take these guys 'head on' and still come out with your shirt on.
My goal is NOT to lose. I still have the odd losing session but I have a lot of days where I am winning anywhere between 20-40 units using the above method.
If takes me about 3-4 hours to have 3 sessions comprising of about 20-30 spins each.
Doing it this way is a relaxing way to play and spend an afternoon.
I just wanted to share this with you. Roulette can be a dangerous game, make no mistake about that. It does not have to be like that if you can limit your losses and let the small wins add up.
Thank you for sharing in this great thread John,
Dave.
Hello guys/gals.
I took a much needed break to recharge my batteries and am now ready to get stuck in again.
I will be drawing a line under the method I have mostly talked about in this blog. That is not to say that I don't rate it or don't play it anymore.
I would like to share what I consider a much better method of play and also slightly less complicated.
The method is more related to sleepers but with a difference which gives it a real kick. This is probably the finest method I have developed and I even have a good understanding of why it works ;)
Once again, I will explain everything step by step and show working examples. Through the wonders of the internet, I can even supply graphics this time. (It all has to be a bit of fun as well)
I will try and get the ball rolling today/tonight.
cheers.
My philosophy regarding roulette is that the player needs to go on 'win streaks'. This then allows a player to flat bet and also takes away the need of a huge bankroll. There is nothing better than hitting a casino knowing that your own risk is minimal and yet the sky is the limit as long as you keep winning.
The method I have developed attacks sleepers and they come out in some very hot streaks. The actual bet can consist of playing between 18 and 24 numbers which are played as streets. It is not unusual to see 'win streaks' where you are hitting over 80% of your bets.
To play the system requires two things. There is only one betting chart and you also need to keep a track of what is happening.
The picture below comes from a bit of software that I have which is good to use for testing. (anyone is welcome to a copy if they would like it.) This particular session produced 12 winners from 16 bets and had 8 consecutive wins at one stage.
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The marking template which I am going to share here also acts as the betting chart.
I will explain the betting part last of all once I have gone through all the other various aspects of the method.
MARKING TEMPLATE+BETTING CHART.
1-1 = 1,12.
1-2 = 1,2.
1-3 = 2,3,4.
1-4 = 3,4,6.
1-5 = 4,5,8.
1-6 = 5,6,10.
1-7 = 6,7,11.
1-8 = 7,8,9.
1-9 = 7,8,9.
1-10 = 5,9,10.
1-11 = 3,10,11.
1-12 = 1,11,12.
2-1 = 1,10,11.
2-2 = 2,12.
2-3 = 1,2,3.
2-4 = 2,4.
2-5 = 3,5,6.
2-6 = 4,6,8.
2-7 = 5,7,9.
2-8 = 6,7,8.
2-9 = 5,7,9.
2-10 = 3,8,10.
2-11 = 1,9,11.
2-12 = 10,11,12.
3-1 = 1,8,10.
3-2 = 2,10,11.
3-3 = 3,12.
3-4 = 1,2,4.
3-5 = 2,4,5.
3-6 = 3,6.
3-7 = 4,7.
3-8 = 5,8.
3-9 = 3,6,9.
3-10 = 1,7,10.
3-11 = 8,11.
3-12 = 9,12.
4-1 = 1,6,9.
4-2 = 2,8,10.
4-3 = 3,10,11.
4-4 = 4,12.
4-5 = 1,2,5.
4-6 = 2,4,6.
4-7 = 3,5,7.
4-8 = 3,4,8.
4-9 = 1,5,9.
4-10 = 6,10,11.
4-11 = 7,9,11.
4-12 = 7,8,12.
5-1 = 1,4,8.
5-2 = 2,6,9.
5-3 = 3,8,10.
5-4 = 4,10,11.
5-5 = 5,12.
5-6 = 1,2,6.
5-7 = 2,3,7.
5-8 = 1,3,8.
5-9 = 4,9,11.
5-10 = 5,9,10.
5-11 = 6,7,11.
5-12 = 5,7,12.
6-1 = 1,2,7.
6-2 = 2,4,8.
6-3 = 3,6,9.
6-4 = 4,8,10.
6-5 = 5,10,11.
6-6 = 6,12.
6-7 = 1,7.
6-8 = 2,8,11.
6-9 = 3,9.
6-10 = 4,7,10.
6-11 = 5,11.
6-12 = 3,6,12.
7-1 = 1,6.
7-2 = 2,3,7.
7-3 = 3,5,8.
7-4 = 4,7,9.
7-5 = 5,9,10.
7-6 = 6,11.
7-7 = 7,12.
7-8 = 1,8,10.
7-9 = 2,8,9.
7-10 = 3,6,10.
7-11 = 4,11.
7-12 = 2,5,12.
8-1 = 1,3,5.
8-2 = 2,5,6.
8-3 = 3,7.
8-4 = 4,8,9.
8-5 = 5,9,11.
8-6 = 1,6,10.
8-7 = 2,7,11.
8-8 = 8,12.
8-9 = 1,9,10.
8-10 = 2,8,10.
8-11 = 3,6,11.
8-12 = 4,12.
9-1 = 1,4,5.
9-2 = 2,5,7.
9-3 = 3,6,9.
9-4 = 4,7,11.
9-5 = 1,5,8.
9-6 = 3,6,9.
9-7 = 4,7,10.
9-8 = 2,8,11.
9-9 = 9,12.
9-10 = 1,10.
9-11 = 2,8,11.
9-12 = 3,6,12.
10-1 = 1,3,7.
10-2 = 2,4,9.
10-3 = 3,5,11.
10-4 = 1,4,6.
10-5 = 3,5,7.
10-6 = 5,6,8.
10-7 = 6,7,9.
10-8 = 4,8,10.
10-9 = 2,9,11.
10-10 = 10,12.
10-11 = 1,10,11.
10-12 = 2,8,12.
11-1 = 1,2,9.
11-2 = 2,3,11.
11-3 = 1,3,4.
11-4 = 3,4,5.
11-5 = 5,6.
11-6 = 6,7.
11-7 = 7,8.
11-8 = 6,8,9.
11-9 = 4,9,10.
11-10 = 2,10,11.
11-11 = 11,12.
11-12 = 1,10,12.
12-1 = 1,11.
12-2 = 1,2.
12-3 = 3.
12-4 = 4,5.
12-5 = 5,7.
12-6 = 6,9.
12-7 = 7,10.
12-8 = 8.
12-9 = 6,9.
12-10 = 4,10.
12-11 = 2,11.
12-12 = 12.
In the first example, I will use the picture I uploaded above and go through it in stages to give you an idea as to what is going on.
The first number which appears is 4 which belongs to street 2.
Using the software, I will input number 4 into the purple box. This first number just acts as a marker.
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The second number out is 25 which belongs to street 9. I input number 25 into the next purple box.
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If you look over to the right in the second attatchment, you will see three X's marked (5,7,9) These are representative of streets.
Looking at the marking template+betting chart, you will see the 2-9 (also representative of the streets) has the same 5,7,9 code.
You will need to keep a track of things on a piece of paper if you are playing in a live casino.
Write out the following 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12.
So the first street was 2. Remember this is just a marker.
The next street was 9.
This is how your bit of paper will look.
2
--
9 (5,7,9) Now where you have written at the top of your paper 1-12, cross out the 5,7,9.
This leaves you with 1 2 3 4 6 8 10 11 12.
What you are eventually looking for is to have just 3 numbers from the 1-12 left. These will be your 3 missing streets. It sometimes only takes a handful of spins to arrive at this point.
The next number out is 3 which belongs to street 1. So I input the 3 into the next purple box.
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Looking over to the right once more, you will see three X's (1,4,5)
The paper now looks like this.
2
--
9 (7,9)
1 (1,4,5)
You will notice that I have removed the 5 from the (5,7,9) WHY? Because you can't have the same number twice.
You are now left with only the 2 3 6 8 10 11 12 that are yet to appear.
The next number out is 21 which belongs to street 7. So I input the 21 into the next purple box.
You can now see three X's (6,7,11)
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The paper now looks like this.
2
--
9 (9)
1 (1,4,5)
7 (6,7,11) *notice the 7 had to be removed from the first line*
You are now left with only the 2 3 8 10 12.
(I will complete this first example later on this evening)
cheers.
The next number out is 6 which belongs to street 2. So I input the 6 into the next purple box.
You will now see three X's (2,3,7)
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The paper now looks like this.
2
--
9 (9)
1 (1,4,5)
7 (6,11)
2 (2,3,7) 8/10/12. (this represents the three missing streets)
You are now left with only the 8 10 12. So after 5 spins, these are the three sleeping streets.
Now I will explain how to work out the bet. In this example, I am just going to flat bet all the way through.
The last street out was the 2. Looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 2-1 through to the 2-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have an 8 10 or 12 in them.
You should be able to identify the following.
2-1.
2-2.
2-6.
2-8.
2-10.
2-12.
That is 6 in total. So back the following streets, 1,2,6,8,10,12.
The next number out is 13 which belongs to street 5. (so that was a loss of 6 units) So I input the 13 into the next purple box.
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The paper now looks like this.
2
--
9 (9)
1 (1,4)
7 (11)
2 (2,7) 8/10/12.
5 (3,5,6) 8/10/12. (these three are still the three sleeping streets)
So for the next bet. Looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 5-1 through to the 5-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have the 8 10 and 12 in them.
You should find the following.
5-1.
5-3.
5-4.
5-5.
5-8.
5-10.
5-12.
There are therefore 7 streets to back in total this time around. 1,3,4,5,8,10,12.
The next number out is 6 which belongs to street 2. (so that was a loss of 7 units and I am now 13 units in the hole)
So I input the 6 into the next purple box.
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The paper now looks like this.
2
--
9
1 (1,4)
7 (11)
2 (7) 8/10/12.
5 (3,5) 8/10/12.
2 (2,6,9) 8/10/12.
So for the next bet. Looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 2-1 through to the 2-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have an 8 10 and 12 in them. I looked for this same one 2 spins ago and there are 6 streets to bet. 1,2,6,8,10,12.
It gets slightly more complicated in this post with the markings. If you can master this part, you have it all sewn up.
The next number out is 3 which belongs to street 1. (that was a win and takes the total back to - 7 units)
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The paper now looks like this.
2
--
9
1 (4)
7
2 (7) 8/10/12.
5 (3,5) 8/10/12.
2 (2,6,9) 8/10/12.
1 (1,10,11) *now there are a few things to note here, once you start betting, you will always have three sleeping streets. This means that there can only be 9 streets in total in the bracketed numbers. However, if you count them up now as things stand, you will see that there 10 streets in the bracketed numbers.
So what you have to do is cross out the furthest one back. In this case, it is the 4. So now you will also note that the three missing streets are no longer the 8 10 and 12 but have changed to the 4 8 and 12.
So I will type out how your paper should now look.
2
--
9
1
7
2 (7) 8/10/12.
5 (3,5) 8/10/12.
2 (2,6,9) 8/10/12.
1 (1,10,11) 4/8/12.
Like I said, when you can understand this, that is all you really need to know. It slowly all fits into place and you will be amazed how quickly you can whizz through it all. The effort is worth it. (just in this example, the next 7 bets are all winners giving a 'win streak ' of 8 on the trot.
So the three missing streets are now the 4 8 and 12. So for the next bet, looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 1-1 through to the 1-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have the 4 8 and 12 in them.
You should find the following.
1-1.
1-3.
1-4.
1-5.
1-8.
1-9.
1-12.
A total of 7 streets to bet this time. 1,3,4,5,8,9,12.
The next number out is 23 belonging to street 8. (that was a win and takes the total to -2)
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Your paper after completing all the markings and ready for the next bet will look like the following.
2
--
9
1
7
2 8/10/12.
5 (5) 8/10/12.
2 (2,6) 8/10/12.
1 (1,10,11) 4/8/12.
8 (7,8,9) 3/4/12. What you have done here is remove the 3 from the bracketed numbers because it was the furthest back. Now the three sleeping streets are the 3 4 and 12.
This is a really great thread! I am one of those who likes to look at roulette as a job, nothing more. While it is very entertaining, through time I have been able to control the rushes, urges, and let-downs that come along with this great game.
After a 3 year hiatus from the game, I have been using Kimo Li's matrix for the past two weeks and have not lost yet. Now, I don't shoot for big wins. My starting bankroll is $100, and my goal for the day is $60 profit. I can usually achieve this within a 3-4 hour time frame (about 175-225 spins).
I am not playing a set system, but have begun to recognize patterns that almost always come out. I believe that is the reason for my success. I'm not saying that I'll never lose, and honestly, I have only had 5 outings in two weeks, so it could still be just a streak (or "re-beginner's" luck).
However, I have noticed that by looking at the wheel as a grid and not as a wheel is making all the difference in the world.
I always look for Kimo, too, since he lives in Scottsdale and I live in Tempe, AZ, but I don't know if I've seen him yet (not sure what he looks like).
If I do run into him, I'll be sure to pick his brain (if he'll let me, that is)!
So the missing streets are now the 3 4 and 12. So for the next bet, looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 8-1 through to the 8-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have the 3 4 and 12 in them.
You should find the following.
8-1.
8-3.
8-4.
8-8.
8-11.
8-12.
A total of 6 streets to bet this time. 1,3,4,8,11,12.
The next number out is 35 belonging to street 12. (that was a win and takes the session into a + 4 profit)
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Your paper after completing all the markings and ready for the next bet should look like the following.
2
--
9
1
7
2 8/10/12.
5 8/10/12.
2 (6) 8/10/12.
1 (1,10,11) 4/8/12.
8 (7,8,9) 3/4/12.
12 (4,12) 2/3/5. *now just let me explain what you needed to do here. The three missing streets up to the last spin were the 3 4 and 12. When the 35 appeared which belongs to street 12. You will notice that TWO of the missing streets appeared in the form of the 4 and 12. That actually left 11 streets in the bracketed numbers.
Remember we can only have 9. So this time we had to remove the TWO furthest back. In this case, it was the 5 and the 2. Now we are left with the three furthest back streets 2 3 and 5 as our three sleepers.
Always remember, you can only ever have 9 streets in the bracketed numbers and if you counted 12, you would have to remove the 3 furthest back. That can happen from time to time.
Thank you MrRpro.
I am glad you are having success with Kimo Li's work. There is certainly more than one way to skin a cat.
I like the way you look at roulette as a business. All them little wins add up and it then becomes a kind of good habit where you can get into a groove. Sure there are losing sessions but like you say, control is the key.
I am glad you are enjoying the thread. There is plenty more to come. :thumbsup:
So the missing streets are now the 2 3 and 5. So for the next bet, looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 12-1 through to the 12-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have a 2 3 or 5 in them.
You should find the following.
12-2.
12-3.
12-4.
12-5.
12-11.
There are only 5 there. (There are a few times when you will be only betting 5 streets when using the 12-1 through to the 12-12 as a reference for finding your bets)
So the streets to bet are 2,3,4,5,11.
The next number out is 9 belonging to street 3. (that was a win of 7 units and takes the profit to +11)
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Your paper after completing all the markings and ready for the next bet will look like the following.
2
--
9
1
7
2 8/10/12.
5 8/10/12.
2 8/10/12.
1 (1,10,11) 4/8/12.
8 (7,8,9) 3/4/12.
12 (4,12) 2/3/5.
3 (3) 2/5/6. *so because the missing 3 street appeared, there were 10 streets in the brackets. I got rid of the furthest one back which was the 6. This now leaves me with 2 5 and 6 as the longest sleeping streets.
I will finish of the other 10 numbers to end this example later this evening and also explain why this works and what is the best way to play it to gain maximum advantage.
I have played roulette for many years and developed a few ideas in my time. I can honestly say that nothing has come close to this for producing long winning runs. It also 'feels' right to me. There are times when you are sitting in a casino playing a method and your gut tells you that it just does not work. You may even be winning with it at the time. But you know it is just a matter of time. I have never felt like that with the method I am sharing here. In fact, I feel the opposite. There are occasions where I have hit over 80% of my bets over a period of 30 or so spins.
When you consider the bet ranges from most times between 6 to 8 streets, that is a feat in itself. To do it once or twice over a prolonged period would probably rate as nothing special and just fluctuation in probability. But to do it as many times as I have over the last 6 months makes me feel there is more to this than that.
So the missing streets are now 2 5 and 6. For the next bet, looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 3-1 through to the 3-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have a 2 5 and 6 in them.
You should find the following.
3-2.
3-4.
3-5.
3-6.
3-8.
3-9.
So there are 6 streets to bet. 2,4,5,6,8,9.
The next number out is 13 and belongs to street 5. (that was another win of 6 units taking the profit up to + 17)
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Your paper after completing all the markings and ready for the next bet will look like the following.
2
--
9
1
7
2 8/10/12.
5 8/10/12.
2 8/10/12.
1 (11) 4/8/12.
8 (7,8,9) 3/4/12.
12 (12) 2/3/5.
3 (3) 2/5/6.
5 (2,4,5) 1/6/10. *Here you have got rid of the earlier 4 street in the bracketed numbers because you can't have repeats. If there is a repeat, always get rid of the furthest one back. Also the TWO missing streets 2 and 5 appeared. So this still would have left you with 11 streets in the bracketed numbers. You need to get rid of the furthest TWO back which are the 1 and the 10. This leaves you with your new 3 longest sleeping streets which are 1 6 and 10.
So the missing streets are now 1 6 and 10. For the next bet, looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 5-1 through to the 5-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have a 1 6 and 10 in them.
You should find the following.
5-1.
5-2.
5-3.
5-4.
5-6.
5-8.
5-10.
5-11.
So there are 8 streets to bet here. 1,2,3,4,6,8,10,11.
The next number out is 29 belonging to street 10. (that was a win of 4 units taking the total to +21)
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Your paper after completing all the markings and ready for the next bet should look like the following.
2
--
9
1
7
2 8/10/12.
5 8/10/12.
2 8/10/12.
1 4/8/12.
8 (7) 3/4/12.
12 (12) 2/3/5.
3 (3) 2/5/6.
5 (2,4,5) 1/6/10.
10 (8,9,10) 1/6/11. *So you would have got rid of the repeat 8 and 9. The missing street 10 appeared, so you would have also got rid of the furthest back street which was the 11. This now leaves you with the three longest sleeper streets 1 6 and 11.
So the missing streets are now the 1 6 and 11. For the next bet, looking at the marking template+betting chart, go to where the 10-1 through to the 10-12 are. Look for all the combinations that have a 1 6 and 11 in them.
You should find the following.
10-1.
10-3.
10-4.
10-6.
10-7.
10-9.
10-11.
So there are 7 streets to bet here. 1,3,4,6,7,9,11.
The next number out is 21 belonging to street 7. (that was a win of 5 units taking the total to + 26)
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Your paper after completing the markings and ready for the next bet should look like the following.
2
--
9
1
7
2 8/10/12.
5 8/10/12.
2 8/10/12.
1 4/8/12.
8 3/4/12.
12 2/3/5.
3 (3) 2/5/6.
5 (2,4,5) 1/6/10.
10 (8,10) 1/6/11.
7 (6,7,9) 1/11/12. *So here you would first of all have got rid of the furthest back 7 and 9 so as not to have any repeats. The missing street 6 appeared. So you would have also got rid of the furthest back street which was the 12 leaving you with the three longest sleeper streets of 1 11 and 12.
I think anybody following should be getting the hang of it by now. That concluded the 8 spin winning streak.
Feel free to ask any questions on anything you are not sure about regarding the tracking. It is pretty straightforward once you get the hang of it. All you really need to remember is that you can't have any repeats in the numbers in brackets. You always take away the furthest back repeat/s.
On a loss, you will still have the same 3 sleeper streets missing.
On a win, you will need to remove the furthest back street/s depending on how many sleeping streets appeared.
If one appeared, you take away the furthest back street. If two appeared, you take away the furthest back two streets. If three appeared, you take away the furthest back three streets.
To work out your bets, use the marking template+betting chart. You always work from the last street that appeared to work out the bet. For example: If the three sleeping streets are 1 9 and 10 and the last number out was 17 which belongs to street 6. Go to the 6-1 through to the 6-12 and look for all the combinations that have a 1 9 and 10 in them. You will be betting between 6-8 streets when you have a bet. Very seldom there will be 5 to bet.
I think it works well because of my unique '3 column approach' The sleepers have to continue sleeping throughout all three columns for the bet to keep losing. This tends not to happen because by the time I arrive at the three sleeping streets, they have already slept for a good few spins. Please don't just take my word for it. Do your own testing and you will find out for yourself.
In my next few posts, I am going to go into a very detailed analysis of how to take maximum advantage using the method I have described above. It can make all the difference between treading water and winning a high proportion of your sessions.
I am 100% convinced that TIMING is the real secret to winning at roulette. To take advantage of timing requires only two things in my book. PATIENCE + DISCIPLINE. In fact, without them, you can't really win long term whatever method you are playing.
Having a good method along with the patience and discipline to recognize when to bet and when to back off can put you more or less on a level playing field with the casino. The casino know this only too well.
If you have played roulette for a while, you will notice the subtle moves the croupiers pull to break a players gameplan. You have to be in control of your game at ALL times. Anything less than that is not good enough for anybody who has ambitions to keep one step ahead.
Hello again.
As I said in my last post, I really think timing is the key element for staying on top in the game of roulette.
I would like to share a few concepts, explain them and then look at practical ways to use them for the method that I have talked about over the last few days.
First of all I would like to show you 4 different pairs of results. (The W counts as a win and the L counts as a loss)
1) WW.
2) WL.
3) LL.
4) LW.
If you take any pair of results, it has to land in one of the above 4 groups. There is no other alternative. So any one of the above 4 groups has a 1/4 chance of appearing = 25%. (of course this applies if you are betting the even chances)
Now think about this, on a roulette layout, there are three dozens and we all know from experience that one of these dozens can go missing for a long time now and again. In fact sometimes up to 20 spins. A dozen represents a 33.33% chance. Now considering my 4 groups above have a 25% chance of appearing, is it therefore not logical to assume that one of these 25% chances could go missing for an equally long absence or even greater absence than one of the dozens. I can conclude by using probability alone that this is more than likely to happen on occasion and one of these 25% chances could go missing for 20+ appearances.
Here are a range of numbers between 1-4 that I downloaded from random.org.
3 2 4 4 1 3 1 1
2 1 2 4 2 1 3 3
1 4 3 4 4 4 3 4
3 3 4 4 4 1 3 3
4 1 1 4 4 2 4 4
4 1 4 3 2 2 4 4
I will now convert them into the following.
1. WW.
2. WL.
3. LL.
4. LW.
LL, WL, LW, LW, WW, LL, WW, WW.
WL, WW, WL, LW, WL, WW, LL, LL.
WW, LW, LL, LW, LW, LW, LL, LW.
LL, LL, LW, LW, LW, WW, LL, LL.
LW, WW, WW, LW, LW, WL, LW, LW.
LW, WW, LW, LL, WL, WL, LW, LW.
So looking at these, I want to see if I can find some long absences for any one of the 4 different groups.
1) LL=3.
2) WL=2.
3) LW=4. (1 MISSING)
4) LW=4. (1 MISSING)
5) WW=1. (3 MISSING)
6) LL=3. (2 MISSING)
7) WW=1. (2 MISSING)
8} WW=1. (2 MISSING)
9) WL=2. (4 MISSING)
10) WW=1. (4 MISSING)
11) WL=2. (4 MISSING)
12) LW=4. (3 MISSING)
13) WL=2. (3 MISSING)
14) WW=1. (3 MISSING)
15) LL=3. (4 MISSING)
16) LL=3. (4 MISSING)
17) WW=1. (4 MISSING)
18} LW=4. (2 MISSING)
19) LL=3. (2 MISSING)
20) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
21) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
22) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
23) LL=3. (2 MISSING)
24) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
25) LL=3. (2 MISSING)
26) LL=3. (2 MISSING)
27) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
28} LW=4. (2 MISSING)
29) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
30) WW=1. (2 MISSING)
31) LL=3. (2 MISSING)
32) LL=3. (2 MISSING)
33) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
34) WW=1. (2 MISSING)
35) WW=1. (2 MISSING)
36) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
37) LW=4. (2 MISSING)
38} WL=2. (3 MISSING)
39) LW=4. (3 MISSING)
40) LW=4. (3 MISSING)
41) LW=4. (3 MISSING)
42) WW=1. (3 MISSING)
43) LW=4. (3 MISSING)
44) LL=3. (2 MISSING)
45) WL=2. (1 MISSING)
46) WL=2. (1 MISSING)
47) LW=4. (1 MISSING)
48} LW=4. (1 MISSING)
If you go down to number 18 in the groups I posted in the previous post, you will come to a LW. Now the furthest back group from here is a 2 which consists of WL. That 2 group dissapears without a sniff for a further 20 appearances. What does this mean and how can it help us? If the 2 is absent (WL) this means you can only get one of the following, WW, LL, LW. So looking at that, you are more than likely to catch a L at the beginning of the next pair and catch a W at the end of the next pair. So let's check and see what happens on these next 20 pairs without an appearance of the 2.
The L comes up at the beginning of a pair16 times out of 20. It is also worth noting that out of them 16, 11 of those were in a continuous streak. This kind of information can save you a LOT of losses. This is where timing is so important in the game of roulette.
The method I have shared is betting between 6 and 8 streets and therefore you will not get as many losses as playing solely the even chances. On saying that, the losses do sometimes have a tendency to group together and you need to be aware of it. I like to record my results in pairs excactly like I have described above.
1) WW.
2) WL.
3) LL.
4) LW.
If you are getting a combination of pairs 2 3 and 4 appearing and the 1 is the furthest back. You are certainly going to be experiencing your fair share of losses. It is also likely that either the first or second result in each pair is turning into a bit of a nightmare scenario. I would suggest that depending on your comfort zone, you stop betting either after the first or second loss in this situation and wait for a win to appear or alternatively, you could keep a running score and if the win percentage drops below 50%, wait till it rises again. In other words, treat each result in the pair of results independent from the other. They will have their own characteristics and it pays to monitor them with close scrutiny.
On the brighter side, you may be getting a combination of pairs 1 2 and 4 appearing and the 3 is the furthest back.
This happens often because of the extra coverage at times where you are covering either 7 or 8 streets. When this happens, you get some great long win streaks. You don't really have to do anything here except keep placing them bets. ;D
So I will finish with another quick example.
10
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3 (3,5,11) *remember on your piece of paper to write 1-12 at the top. Cross out the 3 5 and 11.
9 (3,6,9) * cross out the furthest back 3 street and take away the 6+9 on your 1-12 list.
11 (2,8,11) * cross out the furthest back 11 street and take away the 2+8 on your 1-12 list.
6 (6,7) * cross out the furthest back 6 street and take away the 7 on your 1-12 list.
12 (3,6,12) * cross out the furthest back 3 and 6 street and take away the 12 on your 1-12 list.
This should now leave you in a position to start betting if you wish.
Your actual piece of paper will look like the following.
10
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3 (5)
9 (9)
11 (2,8,11)
6 (7)
12 (3,6,12) 1/4/10 are the missing 3 streets.
Using the marking template+betting chart and going to the 12-1 through to the 12-12, look for all the combinations with a 1 4 or 10 in them.
12-1.
12-2.
12-4.
12-7.
12-10.
So I need to back streets 1,2,4,7,10.
Number 11 appeared belonging to street 4. (a winner of 7 units)
10
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3 (5)
9 (9)
11 (2,8,11)
6 (7)
12 (3,6,12) 1/4/10
4 (4,5) * So I take away the furthest back 5 street because I can't have any repeats and because one of the three sleeping streets appeared, I also take away the furthest back street which is the 9.
This now leaves the three sleeping streets as the 1 9 and 10.
How I prefer to play it is to chart for a few spins even after the first betting opportunity just to get an idea of what's happening. I monitor the results in pairs like I said earlier and look for the strong winning trends and hop on board. Obviously I avoid anything that is not showing positive results and wait for it to change. It always does change. There is always a period where them sleeping streets hit a winning run. There are many times when you can hit a nice profit of 20-30 units in less than an hour. Sometimes I have to be a bit more patient.
Well, I wish anybody luck who decides to give this a go.
cheers.
I will show another example which will give you a clearer idea regarding the 'pairs' theory I described above.
2
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4 (2,4)
2 (2,8,10) I will just leave in all the markings in this example.
4 (2,4)
7 (3,5,7)
8 (1,8,10)
5 (5,9,11) 2/6/12. WIN.
6 (1,2,6) 3/4/12. WIN.
12 (3,6,12) 4/7/8. WIN.
10 (4,10) 5/7/8. WIN.
6 (5,6,8}7/9/11. LOSS.
4 (4,8,10) 7/9/11. WIN.
1 (1,6,9) 2/7/11. LOSS.
10 (5,9,10) 2/7/11. WIN.
11 (1,10,11) 2/3/7. LOSS.
12 (1,10,12) 2/3/7. WIN.
3 (3) 2/4/7.
So breaking the WINS and LOSSES into pairs as I suggested leaves the following.
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
W
So looking at that, you can see that the last result in the pair produced 5 straight wins however on the 3rd, 4th and 5th pair, the first result in the pair produced three consecutive losses. I have seen instances where the first or second result in the pair can produce strings of either 10+ wins or losses.
You need to be aware of this. It's not just a case of what you win but also what you can do your best to avoid losing.
Here is another example where I have included the correct markings.
2
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5
7
9
7 1/11/12. LOSS.
5 (10) 1/11/12. WIN.
11 1/2/12. WIN.
11 1/2/3. LOSS.
11 (12) 1/2/3. LOSS.
6 (6) 1/2/3. WIN.
7 (7) 2/3/8. LOSS.
11 (4,11) 2/3/8. WIN.
1 (1,2,9) 3/5/8.
This is what I would describe as choppy. Because you will notice the following.
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
When the pairs are alternating between LW and WL, I wait for it to break up. It can sometimes take a while to break as well. Patience is the key here. In the example above, it did break up with the end pair repeating the previous and I would be looking for a possible 'win streak' on the last result of the forthcoming pairs.
Remember you can put the WINS and LOSSES into groups.
WW = 1.
WL = 2.
LL = 3.
LW = 4.
If the furthest back group is 1, you may be in for combinations of 2 and 4 which can be choppy.
Ideally, you really want to be playing when the furthest back group is the 3. Then you will see some nice win streaks.
5
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10
8
8
7 1/3/6. WIN.
6 1/3/5. LOSS.
4 1/3/5. WIN.
7 1/9/12. LOSS.
11 1/9/12. LOSS.
5 1/9/12. WIN.
5 (5) 1/2/9. WIN.
2 (2,6) 1/810. WIN.
11 (9,11) 3/8/10. WIN.
12 (1,10,12) 3/7/8. WIN.
8 (8} 3/4/7.
There is a little tip that I can share with you here guys. Things went pretty cool in this session except for one brief period where there was 2 losses in a row.
Pay particular attention to what the three sleeping streets were at the time. (1,9,12)
Now anybody that has read all the pages on the blog and is still familiar with the sixline method I wrote about before this one will remember how the (6) sixline could go missing for ages because of the '3 column approach' that I employ. Well, the same applies with this method, only this time, it is the (12) street that can go missing for absolute ages with this.
How does knowing this information help? If I am playing the three sleeping streets (1,9,12) I will be relying a lot of the time on just the 1 and 9 showing because the 12 can go missing.
It is worth looking out for. Some of you may think the losing streaks are not so tough with this and using a progression may be the order of the day. If you do that and you hit a few losses and notice the three sleeping streets have a (12) in them, stop betting and wait for the three sleeping streets not to have a (12) in the combination.
Just to show what I mean. Here is the final screenshot I uploaded when explaining the rules of the system.
You can see there is only one X in the 12 column which represents street 12. It can go missing for 20+ spins quite regularly. It does not always hinder the method. There are times when you will keep on winning regardless if the (12) street is in the sleeping combination. However I would be weary of it if using any type of progression.
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6
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4
4
7
5
3
4 6/11/12. LOSS.
2 6/11/12. LOSS.
9 6/11/12. WON.
4 3/6/12. WON.
3 1/6/12. LOSS.
11 (11) 1/6/12. WON.
6 (7) 1/2/12. LOSS.
9 (9) 1/2/12. WON.
5 2/4/12. LOSS.
8 (1,3,8}2/4/12. WON.
2 (2,5,6) 4/10/12.
Here is an interesting example from a session I played online this morning.
The missing 12 street came up in the first batch of three sleeping streets. It stayed in the three sleeping streets for 12 spins.
The WIN and LOSS pattern were as follows.
L
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
W
So looking at the 4 groups again.
1 = WW.
2 = WL.
3 = LL.
4 = LW.
The first three groups are LL (3) WW (1) LW (4) That means the furthest back group would be the WL (2).
So if the 2 group continues to sleep, you are going to get groups 1, 3 or 4 appearing. These are represented by WW, LL, LW. So it it is fair to assume that you will more than likely see a L as the first result in each pair and a W as the second result in each pair.
The next two groups out were as follows.
L
W
L
W
You would have caught the two WINS if you were following this.
9
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5
12
1
12
11
4 6/9/10. WON.
2 6/7/9. LOSS.
2 6/7/9. LOSS.
4 6/7/9. WON.
11 1/3/6. LOSS.
7 1/3/6. WON.
8 3/5/6. LOSS.
9 3/5/6. LOSS.
4 3/5/6. WON.
1 (9) 3/5/12. WON.
12 (12) 2/3/5. LOSS.
7 (7) 2/3/5. LOSS.
8 (8} 2,3,5. LOSS.
6 (1,6,10) 2,3,5. WON.
11 (5,11) 2/3/4.
Here is another example worth looking at.
The groups are as follows.
W
L (GROUP 2)
L
W (GROUP 4)
L
W (GROUP 4)
L
L (GROUP 3) So now the group 1 (WW) is the furthest back. In this case, I would stop playing. Looking at previous results indicates this could be one of those times when you are about to witness a disaster, lol.
W
W (GROUP 1) So the group 1 appeared and now leaves the 2 as the furthest back group. So if the 2 group continues to be absent, it is more than likely that a LOSS will be present in the first result of the next pair and a WIN will be present in the second result of the next pair.
L
L So I lost this bet here if I decided to play.
L
W I would have won here if I decided to play. Interestingly, the expected LOSS appeared both times on the first result of the pairs.
Now you may think that all that tracking and marking and putting things in pairs is a waste of time and brain power, All I can say is that it works for me. I do it because I don't play with a huge bankroll and therefore need to try and protect myself from losing runs that can wipe me out. Doing it this way allows me to flat bet and win a very high percentage of my sessions. The casino can't take what you don't give them a chance to take. It also means that if you hit a bad patch, the winnings are not going back after a few bad sessions..
If you have the time and patience to wait for group 3 (LL) to be the furthest back group, you are then more than likely to get a WIN in the first result of the pair and a WIN in the second result of the pair. I had a 'win streak' this morning of 11 consecutive wins. That will bankroll the next few sessions. Think of the hare and the tortoise. It is not a race.
6
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5
12
6
9
6
1 4/8/10. LOSS.
12 4/8/10. WON. (GROUP 4)
4 3/8/10. LOSS.
4 3/8/10. WON. (GROUP 4)
8 6/9/10. LOSS.
1 6/9/10. WON. (GROUP 4)
7 2/9/10. LOSS.
6 2/9/10. LOSS. (GROUP 3)
6 2/9/10. WON.
10 2/8/9. LOSS. (GROUP 2) THE MISSING GROUP IS 1 WHICH IS THE SIGNAL FOR NO PLAY BECAUSE IF THE 1 GROUP CONTINUES TO BE MISSING, IT IS MORE THAN LIKELY THAT YOU WILL GET A (L) IN THE FIRST RESULT OF EACH PAIR AND ALSO MORE THAN LIKELY THAT YOU WILL GET AN (L) IN THE SECOND RESULT OF EACH PAIR.
3 (5) 2/8/9. LOSS.
6 (3,6) 2/8/9. LOSS. (GROUP 3) IT SOMETIMES AMAZES ME HOW ACCURATE THE PREDICTIONS CAN BE!
10 (4,7) 2/8/9. LOSS.
11 (11) 2/8/9. LOSS. (GROUP 3) SO THE LAST 4 PAIRS HAVE RESULTED IN GROUPS 3, 2, 3 AND 3 APPEARING. 7 LOSSES OUT OF 8. ANYONE PLAYING STRAIGHT THROUGH WOULD HAVE SUFFERED A BIT HERE.
THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE WHO RUN MILLION SPIN SIMULATORS FOR TESTING CAN'T SEE THE WOOD FOR THE TREES IN MY OPINION. I HAVE SEEN CHARTS WHERE THE DOWNTURNS CAN BE SHOCKING. THE TRUTH IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY THEM ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
THESE RESULTS ALSO SHOW THAT YOU USE PROGRESSIONS AT YOUR OWN RISK.
CERTAINLY IF YOU PLAY A NEGATIVE PROGRESSION ON EVERY SPIN AFTER A LOSS.
YOU CAN BE VERY SELECTIVE WITH PROGRESSIONS AND THEY MAY FARE SLIGHTLY BETTER PROVIDING YOU HAVE A SENSIBLE STOP LOSS IN PLACE.
12 (1,10,12) 2/8/9.
This was a session I played early this evening. I never made a bet in anger.
11
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6
7
11
10
3 8/9/12. WON.
3 6/8/9. LOSS. (GROUP 2)
2 6/8/9. WON.
7 1/6/8. WON. (GROUP 1)
8 3/4/6. WON.
1 4/6/12. WON. (GROUP 1)
6 2/4/12. LOSS.
3 2/4/12. WON. (GROUP 4) The missing group is 3 which is as good as it can possibly get.
4 7/11/12. LOSS.
1 7/11/12. WON. (GROUP 4)
12 5/7/8. LOSS.
11 (11) 5/7/8. WON. (GROUP 4)
6 5/8/10. LOSS.
3 (9) 5/8/10. WON. (GROUP 4)
10 (7,10) 4/5/8. WON.
4 (1,6) 5/8/12. WON. (GROUP 1)
8 (3,4,8} 2/5/12.
This is an example of things going ok. The 3 was the missing group. So it was more than likely to see a (W) in the first result of each pair and a (W) in the second result of each pair.
You will notice however that when the group 3 qualified as the furthest back, group 4 appeared and the first result in that pair was a loss. Bearing this in mind, I was hesitant to back for a (W) in the first result of subsequent pairs. At the very least, I was going to monitor the situation. Backing the (W) in the second result of subsequent pairs was a foregone conclusion bearing in mind the last result of the previous 3 pairs all resulted in a (W).
As you can see, it was a wise choice not to back the (W) in the first result of the pairs over the next three sets. The (W) in the second result of the pairs produced 4 consecutive wins and took its tally to 7 consecutive W's. This made a little profit and I quit the session after having a rough day on the betting exchanges. All is well that ends well.
Hello John,
I am new here and this is my first post;
this is a very interesting thread :thumbsup:, I read over and over and think that I have understand most things. There are a few questions. First: you said
QuoteYou will be betting between 6-8 streets when you have a bet. Very seldom there will be 5 to bet.
I think I found some more situations: e. g. the sleepers are the streets number 7, 8 and 10; the last street come in is the 12. When I go through from 12-1 to 12-12 there are only four combinations:
12-5
12-7
12-8
12-10
so we bet only four streets. Is that correct?
Thank you in advance
bonanza
Hello Bonanza (great name by the way )
You are right about the 4 streets in the situation you described.
There will be a few times when you are betting from street 12 that you only need to bet 4. It is rare.
I counted up all the possible bet combinations and it comes to 2070.
I will spend a few hours over the weekend typing them all out. I have them in a small jotter with paper clips seperating the 12 different streets. It makes it easy for when I am in the casino to just flick through to the required page I need.
I did not want to write them out here at first because then it would just look over complicated. I suppose one issue from working out the bet from the marking template+betting chart is that you could easily miss one out if you are new to it or under pressure due to time restrictions.
I have experienced some really good luck with this over the last few days. In most of the sessions that I am playing, the three group tends to go missing for very long periods. I am getting a lot of good runs with the 1 and 4 group giving me loads of consecutive wins on the second result of each pair.
Please feel free to ask any questions if you are not sure about anything and thanks for showing interest in the method itself. :)
I seem to be really good at jinxing myself just lately what with one thing and another. I decided to have a quick game online and came across the following scenario.
10
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7
11
3 (4)
2 (10) 5/8/12. LOSS.
3 (3) 5/8/12. WON. (GROUP 4)
11 5/6/12. WON.
11 5/6/7. LOSS. (GROUP 2)
1 (2,9) 5/6/7. LOSS.
12 (1,11,12) 5/6/7. LOSS. (GROUP 3) MISSING GROUP 1.
8 (8} 5/6/7.
I don't like to bet when the missing group is 1. At least it only took 11 spins to reach this stage.
One other thing some of you may be wondering. If I have to cross out a street because one of the sleeping streets appeared, I always cross out the furthest one back. BUT.... what if you go back and the furthest back streets look like (2,3,5) which one will I cross out because you could argue here that all three are the furthest back. Well to make it simple, I cross out the 2. It always seems to work out fine doing it like that so I would stick with doing it that way.
Hello John,
thanks a lot for your quick reply, now it is sure that I got it right. Another question is about the marking template: why is it street #12 that is the fewest street in that template? Is there a certain reason?
And: if you should advise a progression for your method, which would it be? The 'Pluscoup', too? I think a Paroli xould also be a good option.
Kind Regards
bonanza
@bonanza,
You will notice that the 12 street is one of the missing three sleepers a lot of the time.
For a 12 to appear needs one of two things to happen. Either the actual street 12 itself appears or the previous street repeats itself. So this is a 1/6 chance. All the other streets are more likely to appear than the 12 street.
The idea for all this came when I was messing around looking at a few different concepts. I have tried several variations but this idea that I am presenting now throws up the best win streaks by far of anything that I have tested.. That would be one reason why your idea of the paroli is a good way of tackling it. I am not a keen fan of negative progressions. However the paroli if used at the right times could take advantage of the win streaks. Just a gentle paroli of 1,2,3 etc.... would be my preferred way of going about it.
Another variation is to look out for the 'hot streets' This would mean playing the method in reverse.
Let's say the 4,5,12 are the three missing streets and the current street is 10.
So playing the method I am describing here would see you betting streets 2,3,4,5,6,8,10,12. (A total of 8 streets).
If you wanted to bet for the sleepers to continue sleeping, you would bet the 1,7,9,11 streets. (A total of 4 streets).
The only time I would look out for this is when the GROUP 1 is the missing group. You are more likely to see a LOSS in the first result of the pair and a LOSS in the second result of the pair if the GROUP 1 continues to be the furthest back group.
The problem with this is it can take a long time for the GROUP 1 to be the furthest back group. Also the win streaks don't tend to be as extended as with the other way around. I prefer playing the sleepers route as a more conservative approach. It does not experience as much deviations which can be harmful to a limited bankroll.
It was playing the hot streets variation first which opened my eyes to the really long winning streaks that the sleeper streets enjoyed. I was playing in a casino one day and the GROUP 3 became the furthest back group. It continued to sleep for another 27 pairs and I could have cleared the national debt if I took advantage of that.
So after a lot of testing, it became aparrent that the sleeper streets was the better opportunity of the two.
cheers.
@John Gold,
thanks again for your direct answer.
QuoteEither the actual street 12 itself appears or the previous street repeats itself. So this is a 1/6 chance. All the other streets are more likely to appear than the 12 street.
So, when you devised the template it
would be possible to change things, e. g. street #1 become the 1/6 chance?
Looking out for 'hot streets' is an interesting alternative, I will follow this.
One very important thing that was not mentioned yet: What about 'the green one', how do you handle the Zero?
Cheers
bonanza
P. S.
QuoteBonanza (great name by the way )
Thanks, do you know the meaning of 'Bonanza'?
Quotea source, usually sudden and unexpected, of luck or wealth
So this definition matches for your method, too?! :laugh:
Hello bonanza,
I spent a few hours today turning everything inside out and upside down to see what would happen.
Using my three column approach will always leave the 12 street as a 6/1 chance for appearing.
Some of the different variations seemed to have a negative effect on the win streaks for the sleepers.
This was evident just by studying the different marking templates I came up with.
I regard the zero as just another losing number if it hits. You can choose to either mark it down or ignore it.
Let's hope this method becomes a real 'bonanza' for anybody that tracks and plays it. 8)
Hello guys.
I posted a type of matrix bet up in the full systems section a few months ago. Unfortunately I made a few miscalculations.
Anyway, I decided to take another look and see what I could come up with.
I have found something that looks pretty solid in so far that the wins seems to come at a steady enough rate compared to the losses. I was winning by just flat betting in my tests but I think a conservative progression could help it along.
The bet can only ever be 10 splits. (no more, no less) It is based on dozens and columns.
The matrix will go 5 lines across, it does not really matter how deep it goes.
Number 1 = 1A because it is in the first dozen and the first column.
Number 2 = 1B because it is in the first dozen and the second column.
Number 3 = 1C because it is in the first dozen and the third column.
So here is the full listing.
1 = 1A.
2 = 1B.
3 = 1C.
4 = 1A.
5 = 1B.
6 = 1C.
7 = 1A.
8 = 1B.
9 = 1C.
10 = 1A.
11 = 1B.
12 = 1C.
13 = 2A.
14 = 2B.
15 = 2C.
16 = 2A.
17 = 2B.
18 = 2C.
19 = 2A.
20 = 2B.
21 = 2C.
22 = 2A.
23 = 2B.
24 = 2C.
25 = 3A.
26 = 3B.
27 = 3C.
28 = 3A.
29 = 3B.
30 = 3C.
31 = 3A.
32 = 3B.
33 = 3C.
34 = 3A.
35 = 3B.
36 = 3C.
I will show you a matrix that I played earlier today. Next to each marking is a (Y) or an (N).
The (Y) stands for a repeat and the (N) stands for a non-repeat.
2C 2C 1A 2C 2A
3B (N) 1A (N) 1A (Y) 1A (N) 2B (Y)
1A (N) 1A (Y) 3A (Y) 2A (Y) 3C (N)
2C (N) 1A (Y) 2A (Y) 2B (Y) 3C (Y)
Here is where the first bet would be. WHY? Because I am looking for 3 lots of (N) and then betting that the next result will be a (Y). So there is a bet in the first column from the example above.
For a (Y) to appear, there will need to be either a SECOND DOZEN or a THIRD COLUMN appear.
So a WIN would be represented by any of the following.
2A, 2B, 2C, 1C, 3C.
It would be a loss if any of the following appeared.
1A, 1B, 3A, 3B. (and of course the zero however you could cover the zero if you were in the latter stages of some type of progression)
I can cover the bet in the example above by playing the following 10 splits.
13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24, 3/6, 9/12, 27/30, 33/36.
It is as simple as that. If the bet wins, great. I pocket 8 chips profit.
If it loses, I lose 10 chips.
After any loss, STOP and wait for another betting opportunity to present itself. Don't chase the same bet because the (N) could go on an extended run for that particular bet.
What I found was that it is very common for a (Y) to appear after 3 lots of (N).
You are covering 20 numbers (10 splits) which is covering more than half the board.
Please let me know your results if you decide to test it. I have did limited testing which has held up well. More testing will give a better idea on what is the best way to tackle it.
One point that I should have explained better is in the matrix itself regarding the (N) and the (Y)
Let's say you have 3B.
A (Y) can be anything from the THIRD DOZEN or COLUMN B.
This will be either 3A, 3B, 3C, 1B, 2B.
A (N) will be either 1A, 1C, 2A, 2C.
1A 2A 3A 1B 1A
3B (N) 3A (Y) 1C (N) 1A (Y) 3C (N)
2B (Y) 3C (Y) 3A (N) 3C (N) 3B (Y)
2A (Y) 2B (N) 2B (N) 2C (Y) 3A (Y)
2B (Y) 1B (Y) 2C (Y) 1A (N) 1A (Y)
In the example above, the numbers were as follows.
1, 19, 31, 11, 1,
29, 25, 6, 4, 36,
17, 33, 25, 27, 26,
22, 23, 20, 18,, 28,
14, 2, 15, 1, 4,
The only bet came in the third column. After the 20 appeared, I was looking for a (Y) to appear on the next result of that particular column.
The actual bet was 10 splits, 13/16, 14/17, 15/18, 19/22, 20/23, 21/24, 2/5, 8/11, 26/29, 32/35.
These splits cover all the SECOND DOZEN and the SECOND COLUMN which would give me a (Y) should either the second dozen or second column appear. If an (N) appeared, I would abandon that bet and wait for the next opportunity where three lots of (N) appeared and bet for the next result in the column to be a (Y).
I decided to pay one of my local casinos a visit with this 'matrix' idea this afternoon. I could not resist after my testing results. ;D
I decided to play the live wheel and autowheel both at the same time. All the wheels are playable from a touch screen terminal. 2 wheels is the most you could physically handle with this method. I made a few mistakes but nothing that cost me any money.
There were 2 bets on the autowheel and 2 bets on the live wheel over the course of 55 spins which took about 75 minutes. All 4 bets won. I have suffered a few losses in this casino lately, so it was nice just to come out with a profit. 32 units is nothing to be sniffed at.
Taking my testing into account as well, it appears there is roughly a betting opportunity every 20 odd spins or so.
That is a bit slow and is why I was happy to play the 2 wheels.
Here is an example I loaded on to a spreadsheet.
2 bets. One in the second column and one in the fourth column. Both won.
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Here is another 100 spin example.
There were 5 bets. 3 wins + 2 losses. (W, W, L, L, W)
There is a good example here in the first column and the second column of why you only take one shot at a win and don't continue chasing looking for the (Y). The (N) went on a streak of 5. I have seen streaks of 10 and that would be damaging.
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Back to the previous method and another example.
(I included the actual numbers in this one before converting them into streets)
15 = 5.
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10 = 4.
30 = 10.
12 = 4.
9 = 3.
22 = 8.
33 = 11.
28 = 10. 7/9/12. LOSS.
24 = 8. 7/9/12. WON. (GROUP 4)
36 = 12. 1/7/9. LOSS.
10 = 4. 1/7/9. LOSS. (GROUP 3)
29 = 10. 1/7/9. LOSS.
4 = 2. 1/7/9. LOSS. (GROUP 3)
29 = 10. 1/7/9. WON.
10 = 4. 7/9/12. WON. (GROUP 1) MISSING GROUP = 2. (LOOK FOR L/W)
12 = 4. 5/7/9. WON.
34 = 12. (12) 5/9/11. WON. (GROUP 1)
27 = 9. 2/5/11. LOSS.
18 = 6. (6) 2/5/11. WON. (GROUP 4)
2 = 1. (2) 5/10/11. LOSS.
23 = 8. 5/10/11. WON. (GROUP 4)
1 = 1. (1,3,5) 4/10/11.
So the missing group ended up as the 2 which means I was expecting the pairs to come out in a L/W formation.
The next three pairs returned WW, LW, LW. So 5 out of 6 is not bad forecasting. (enough to pay for dinner, lol)
Hello. :)
I think it's time to draw a line now with the 'sleeping streets' method. I am starting to sound like a broken record.
I was going to look at constructing a method for just betting one number. On reflection, I think that idea can wait.
What I will do instead is show you how you can use the 'rule of the third' to your advantage.
A lot of guys on different forums say that the rule of the third is useless and can't work. I disagree with that myself. There are many different ways to exploit it.
Just for anybody that does not know what the 'rule of the third is'.
In any set of 37 spins, it is very likely that 2/3 of the numbers will be a combination of repeats and the other 1/3 of the numbers will be sleepers. This is pretty much a constant. Someone on a french forum did a billion spin computer simulation to proof the point. If I can find it again, I will post up the figures.
The stuff that I am going to share here is a bit of a headscratcher. I will try my best to explain it as clearly as I can.
cheers.
19 (starter number)
01} 10 15 28
02} 30 34 20
03} 02 28 09
04} 17 02 15
05} 28 24 11
06} 12 01 21
07} 35 01* 23 (the * signals a repeat)
08} 03 01* 05
09} 00 02* 34 (the 00 represents 0, I am just trying to keep things tidy)
10} 20 24* 20*
11} 22 04 02
12} 25 16 03
13} 01 16* 13
14} 02* 20 01
15} 12* 27 10
16} 15 06 03*
17} 18 27* 03*
18} 21 13 03*
19} 32 33 11*
20} 01* 22 06
21} 02* 20* 01*
22} 21* 36 19
23} 02* 01* 18
24} 08 10 06*
25} 24 04* 16
26} 16 01* 29
27} 18* 08 02*
28} 33 30 15*
29} 13 27* 17
30} 12* 21 36
31} 02* 10* 27
32} 05 13* 03*
33} 35* 15* 30
34} 35* 00 00
35} 27 14 29*
36} 10* 07 20*
37} 05* 01* 32
So after the first 37 spins, there are 24 original numbers and 13 sleepers in the first column.
There are 22 original numbers and 15 sleepers in the second column.
There are 25 original numbers and 12 sleepers in the third column.
So now what I am going to do is add in the next number and take the very first one away.
I only operate with the 37 spins.
02} 30 34 20
03} 02 28 09
04} 17 02 15
05} 28 24 11
06} 12 01 21
07} 35 01* 23 (the * signals a repeat)
08} 03 01* 05
09} 00 02* 34 (the 00 represents 0, I am just trying to keep things tidy)
10} 20 24* 20*
11} 22 04 02
12} 25 16 03
13} 01 16* 13
14} 02* 20 01
15} 12* 27 10
16} 15 06 03*
17} 18 27* 03*
18} 21 13 03*
19} 32 33 11*
20} 01* 22 06
21} 02* 20* 01*
22} 21* 36 19
23} 02* 01* 18
24} 08 10 06*
25} 24 04* 16
26} 16 01* 29
27} 18* 08 02*
28} 33 30 15*
29} 13 27* 17
30} 12* 21 36
31} 02* 10* 27
32} 05 13* 03*
33} 35* 15* 30
34} 35* 00 00
35} 27 14 29*
36} 10* 07 20*
37} 05* 01* 32
38} 28* 13* 23*
So now after 37 spins, there are 23 original numbers and 14 sleepers in the first column.
There are 21 original numbers and 16 sleepers in the second column.
There are 24 original numbers and 13 sleepers in the third column.
So the sleepers in each column have all jumped up by 1.
Again I will add the next number and take the first one away.
03} 02 28 09
04} 17 02 15
05} 28 24 11
06} 12 01 21
07} 35 01* 23 (the * signals a repeat)
08} 03 01* 05
09} 00 02* 34 (the 00 represents 0, I am just trying to keep things tidy)
10} 20 24* 20*
11} 22 04 02
12} 25 16 03
13} 01 16* 13
14} 02* 20 01
15} 12* 27 10
16} 15 06 03*
17} 18 27* 03*
18} 21 13 03*
19} 32 33 11*
20} 01* 22 06
21} 02* 20* 01*
22} 21* 36 19
23} 02* 01* 18
24} 08 10 06*
25} 24 04* 16
26} 16 01* 29
27} 18* 08 02*
28} 33 30 15*
29} 13 27* 17
30} 12* 21 36
31} 02* 10* 27
32} 05 13* 03*
33} 35* 15* 30
34} 35* 00 00
35} 27 14 29*
36} 10* 07 20*
37} 05* 01* 32
38} 28* 13* 23*
39} 00* 05 09*
So now after 37 spins, there are only 22 original numbers and 15 sleepers in the first column. (notice the original numbers have decreased by 2 and the sleepers have increased by 2 in this column)
There are 21 original numbers and 16 sleepers in the second column.
There are 23 original numbers and 14 sleepers in the third column. (notice the original numbers have decreased by 2 and the sleepers have increased by 2 in this column)
Im with you so far John.
Again I will add the next number and take the first one away.
04} 17 02 15
05} 28 24 11
06} 12 01 21
07} 35 01* 23 (the * signals a repeat)
08} 03 01* 05
09} 00 02* 34 (the 00 represents 0, I am just trying to keep things tidy)
10} 20 24* 20*
11} 22 04 02
12} 25 16 03
13} 01 16* 13
14} 02* 20 01
15} 12* 27 10
16} 15 06 03*
17} 18 27* 03*
18} 21 13 03*
19} 32 33 11*
20} 01* 22 06
21} 02* 20* 01*
22} 21* 36 19
23} 02* 01* 18
24} 08 10 06*
25} 24 04* 16
26} 16 01* 29
27} 18* 08 02*
28} 33 30 15*
29} 13 27* 17
30} 12* 21 36
31} 02* 10* 27
32} 05 13* 03*
33} 35* 15* 30
34} 35* 00 00
35} 27 14 29*
36} 10* 07 20*
37} 05* 01* 32
38} 28* 13* 23*
39} 00* 05 09*
40} 18* 29 18*
There are now 21 original numbers and 16 sleepers in the first column. (now the original numbers have decreased by 3 and the sleepers have increased by 3 in this column)
There are 21 original numbers and 16 sleepers in the second column.
There are 22 original numbers and 15 sleepers in the third column. (now the original numbers have decreased by 3 and the sleepers have increased by 3 in this column)
so as you can see, the 'rule of the third' is decreasing all the time over the 3 columns.
There are another 5 spins to go before I will get into a detailed explanation about the 3 columns and how to bet with them.
I will complete the rest of this tomorrow night.
cheers.
sorry about the delay. I had a nasty trojan attack on sat**day night after checking out a few different roulette sites.
(stay away from russian roulette forums ;D) I have lost a fair bit of work that I had on my pc. Luckily I have everything written down, so it will take a few days for me to get things back in order again.
I did have a few things on one of my usb memory sticks which I can show you in the meantime. This one is for even chance betting.
I will show you a snapshot and then explain things a little. Some of you may like it.
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This even chance method works on a similar principle to my 'sleeping streets' method which uses the groups ( 1-4 )
It also works in pairs as you can see by the snapshot.
The groups are as follows.
RED/RED = GROUP 1. RED/BLACK = GROUP 2. BLACK/BLACK = GROUP 3. BLACK/RED = GROUP 4.
EVEN/EVEN = GROUP 1. EVEN/ODD = GROUP 2. ODD/ODD = GROUP 3. ODD/EVEN = GROUP 4.
LOW/LOW = GROUP 1. LOW/HIGH = GROUP 2. HIGH/HIGH = GROUP 3. HIGH/LOW = GROUP 4.
So I will use the second column in the snapshot which concentrates on the ODD and EVENS to give you an idea of what's going on.
The first three groups out are the 3, 4 and 2. This leaves the 1 as the furthest back group. (In fact it has not appeared yet but I still count it as the furthest back group)
So the 1 is the furthest back group and it consists of EVEN/EVEN.
If the 1 group continues to be absent, I will see either a group 2, 3 or 4.
These groups contain the following.
EVEN/ODD.
ODD/ODD.
ODD/EVEN.
So looking at them three choices, you can see that an ODD has to appear in either the first or second result of the pair.
The next two pairs produced ODD/EVEN (group 4) and ODD/EVEN (group 4). Following the odd, you would have had two wins on the first result of each pair.
The next group that came out was group 1. This was the furthest back group. So now the furthest back group is group 3.
If the 3 group continues to be absent, I will see either a group 1, 2 or 4.
These groups contain the following.
EVEN/EVEN.
EVEN/ODD.
ODD/EVEN.
So looking at them three choices, you can see that EVEN has to appear in either ther first or second result of the pair.
The next 5 pairs produced EVEN/EVEN (group 1), EVEN/EVEN (group 1), EVEN/ODD (group 2).
EVEN/EVEN (group 1), EVEN/ODD (group 2). The first 5 results in each pair werre EVEN.
So plenty of opportunities for winning bets. Getting the wins in the first result of each pair can work out great because you may decide to go for the win in the first result of the pair and not bother betting for the second result.
If you lose the first result, you can try and recoup the loss on the second result.
There are so many possibilities that you can try regarding MM with this. The bottom line is to follow the strongest trend.
It may be that the furthest back group keeps appearing on every pair for one of the even chances and is the strongest trend. If this is the case, you simply bet for that to happen. If the 3 is the furthest back group, you would bet ODD/ODD if you fancied it to appear. I have seen the furthest back group appear 7 times on the trot once for one of the even chances. Other times I have seen the furthest back group not appear for 27 pairs.
This is another method which requires you to be looking for what is happening on a continual basis. It is not fixed.
This is how you can regularly win in my opinion. Anything fixed is bound to come across its nemesis at some point in time. When that happens, say goodbye to your bankroll if you are not careful. Of course you can still have losing sessions with this method as well. However you are definately more in control and you are the one making the choices and not relying on some fixed method which has no flexibility to adapt to what is currently happening at the table.
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Here is a situation where the furthest back group keeps repeating in the LOW and HIGH column.
The 3, 4 and 1 group appear. This leaves the 2 as the furthest back group. The 2 group then appears.
Then the 3 is the furthest back group. The 3 group then appears.
Then the 4 group is the furthest back group. The 4 group then appears.
You can bet for these furthest back groups to appear when they hitting consecutively like this. You could just go for the first hit or catch the second one as well.
By playing all the three even chances using this method, I normally find that something is streaking either way. (furthest back group not hitting or furthest back group hitting) Then it is just a case of how you want to attack it. I have had some good fun using positive progressions with this. I normally like to get up a few units and see that my luck is in before I try anything fancy.
When I want to do some speed testing, I just download some numbers from random.org which is no different to bet voyager's RNG really. I can then test it against different MM plans.
Here was a quick sample I just downloaded.
4
2
4
2
3 (1)
3
3
4
3
2
4
4
4
4
1 (3) The group 1 slept for 9 pairs.
2
1
4
1
2
2
1
1
4
4
3 (2) The group 3 slept for 10 pairs.
3
2 (1) The group 2 slept for 1 pair.
1 (4) The group 1 slept for 0 pairs.
1
1
3
3
3
4 (2) The group 4 slept for 5 pairs.
2 (1) The group 2 slept for 0 pairs.
3
3
2
2
4
1 (3) The group 1 slept for 5 pairs.
2
2
2
3 (4) The group 3 slept for 3 pairs.
2
2
1
2
4 (3) The group 4 slept for 4 pairs.
As you can see in this sample, the furthest back groups are hitting in a spread out fashion for the majority of the time. This tends to happen for the most part and then you get clusters where they hit quickly. You can take advantage of both of these trends.
Here is another quick example.
2
3
2
4 (1)
3
2
4
3
1 (2) The group 1 slept for 4 pairs.
2 (4) The group 2 slept for 0 pairs.
4 (3) The group 4 slept for 0 pairs.
1
2
1
2
2
3 (4) The group 3 slept for 5 pairs.
2
2
3
3
2
3
1
1
2
1
4 (3) The group 4 slept for 10 pairs.
4
1
2
2
1
1
3 (4) The group 3 slept for 6 pairs.
One way to attack the furthest back groups hitting pretty close together would be to use a parlay bet.
So you would start with one unit and you would then let that bet ride should it win. This will return you 4 units for your 1 unit stake if you complete the parlay.
One idea that I can't get out of my head for this is the 'star progression'. (I am sure if I go and rest in a dark room for 20 minutes, the urge will pass :D )
All my testing for these groups over several years have shown them to never go past 27 groups without the furthest back hitting. So I wondered what if I wait for the furthest back to be absent for 8 groups and then use the star progression. Of course it is classic gamblers fallacy but I have tested this a lot and I reckon I would be miles in front.
The star progression is an up as you lose parlay progression. You put down one unit and on a win you let the bet ride. So you are looking to gain three units for your one unit stake. You go up to the next level on a loss. You go back to the beginning or quit once you hit a winning parlay.
I don't know how it would fare with these groups. If you lost on the very first bet, you would miss out on the next spin just to complete the group. (The original star method does not work with groups and was devised for blackjack)
I managed to get a 19 step star progression for 489 units. (you get change from 500 if it goes pear shaped :whistle:)
Here are the steps down the devils staircase :diablo: (I thought I would throw that line in for our satanic followers)
1) bet 1. win 4. +3/-1.
2) bet 1. win 4. +2/-2.
3) bet 1. win 4. +1/-3.
4) bet 2. win 8. +3/-5.
5) bet 2. win 8. +1/-7.
6) bet 3. win 12. +2/-10.
7) bet 4. win 16. +2/-14.
8} bet 5. win 20. +1/-19.
9) bet 7. win 28. +2/-26.
10) bet 9. win 36. +1/-35.
11) bet 12. win 48. +1/-47.
12) bet 16. win 64. +1/-63.
13) bet 22. win 88. +3/-85.
14) bet 29. win 116. +2/-114.
15) bet 39. win 156. +3/-153.
16) bet 52. win 208. +3/-205.
17) bet 69. win 276. +2/-274.
18) bet 92. win 368. +2/-366.
19) bet 123. win 492. +3/-489.
The average win is 2 units and I would suggest playing it on all even chances to provide more betting opportunities.
I will call this variation 'the lazy man's way to riches' You don't have to do any thinking with this one! Just wait
for the trigger and have some fun.
p.s. don't shoot the messenger. :give_rose:
The waiting time alone would make 'the lazy mans way to riches' pretty unplayable unless you tracked all three e/c opportunities.
4
1
2 (3)
4
3 (1) group 3 slept 1.
4
2
3
4
1 (2) group 1 slept 4.
1
3
4
3
4
3
1
2 (4) group 2 slept 7.
2
3
2
2
1
1
2
2
2
1
4 (3) group 4 slept 10.
It took 30 spins just to win one bet in this example. So you are only going to get maybe 10 or so bets in 300 spins to win an average of 20 units. You would definately need to play all three even chances to maximize the potential. Also because of the table limits, you could not start with big sized chips or you would not be able to fit in the full progression.
It would be the grinder of all grinders for sure. ;D
The urge got the better of me today and I decided to go play 'the lazy mans way to riches' in one of my local casinos.
I did chicken out a bit and play for low stakes on the autowheel. The wheel spins every 45 seconds. I just wanted to experiment with the idea. So I concentrated on the LOW and HIGH.
I waited for the furthest back to qualify and then waited for it to sleep a further 3 pairs before betting using the 19 step star progression.
Here is what that would like. The bet comes up on the first group in this instance.
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It was a slow grind over a few hours but I managed to win enough to cover the expenses and buy a few drinks with enough left over to buy dinner tonight. Sure beats losing any day of the week.
I run a test last night of over 15000 spins and it did not break. It might be one of them that steadily climbs to the point where you get a few bankrolls ahead before a losing string hits. The problem will be if the losing string hits early. It was great fun however. Even a method anorak needs a bit of excitement now and again. ;)
I will point out that the original STAR progression was put through Dr Wilson's acid test and it passed all three times.
My version is a crude one, lol. The original was designed more or less for blackjack and has a 5 step pre-qualifying component to it as well.
It's worth checking out for all you progression junkies out there. Maybe you can fiddle about with it a bit to suit your own methods.
cheers
here you go guys! :thumbsup:
Don't take this as the definitive word on MM. Take what you need from it and move on.
p.s. There is no copyright on this. So it should be fine.
This is for anybody who studied the method I described on reply 28 of this blog.
I had an email from someone the other day asking if I had worked out the rest of the betting charts.
I had not originally covered the following......
No 1 on a 1.
No 2 on a 2.
No 3 on a 3.
No 4 on a 4.
No 5 on a 5.
No 6 on a 6.
These are more important if you are looking to place bets for something to show in the non-bracketed sections.
So here is the complete betting chart.
BETTING CHART.
No 1 on a 1. bet 3,4,5.
No 1 on a 2. bet 2,4,6.
No 1 on a 3. bet 2,3,5,6.
No 1 on a 4. bet 2,3,4,6.
No 1 on a 5. bet 2,4,5.
No 1 on a 6. bet 3,4,5,6.
No 2 on a 1. bet 1,4,5,6.
No 2 on a 2. bet 1,5,6.
No 2 on a 3. bet 3,4,6.
No 2 on a 4. bet 1,3,4,5.
No 2 on a 5. bet 3,5,6.
No 2 on a 6. bet 1,3,4,6.
No 3 on a 1. bet 1,2,6.
No 3 on a 2. bet 1,2,6.
No 3 on a 3. bet 1,2,4,5.
No 3 on a 4. bet 4,5,6.
No 3 on a 5. bet 4,5,6.
No 3 on a 6. bet 1,2,4,5,6.
No 4 on a 1. bet 1,2,6.
No 4 on a 2. bet 2,3,5.
No 4 on a 3. bet 3,5,6.
No 4 on a 4. bet 1,3,6.
No 4 on a 5. bet 1,2,5.
No 4 on a 6. bet 1,2,3,5,6.
No 5 on a 1. bet 1,2,3.
No 5 on a 2. bet 2,3,4.
No 5 on a 3. bet 1,3,4,6.
No 5 on a 4. bet 1,2,4,6.
No 5 on a 5. bet 1,3,6.
No 5 on a 6. bet 2,3,4,6.
The 1/1 (even money) bet for the 6.
No 6 on a 1. bet 3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,5.
No 6 on a 5. bet 1,2,3,4.
No 6 on a 6. bet 1,2,3,4,5.
The full bet for the 6.
No 6 on a 1. bet 2,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 2. bet 1,3,4,5.
No 6 on a 3. bet 1,2,4,5.
No 6 on a 4. bet 1,2,3,5.
No 6 on a 5. bet 1,2,3,4.
No 6 on a 6. bet 1,2,3,4,5.
I still enjoy playing this way now and again. As far as I am concerned, it is one of the best grinding methods I have ever played. I like the fact that I can start a session with about 50 units and grind out 20 over a few hours.
There are also a few improvements I have made to the way I play it. I will show a few examples when I have some spare time.
4
3 = 3,5. (1,2,4,6)
6 = 3,6. (1,2,4,5)
5 = 2,5. (1,3,4,6)
5 = 5,6. (1,2,3,4)
3 = 1,3,4. (2,5,6)
1 = 1,2,4. (3,5,6)
4 = 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
2 = 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
1 = 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
1 = 1,6. (2,3,4,5)
1 = 1,6. (2,3,4,5)
3 = 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
1 = 1,2,4 .(3,5,6)
2 = 1,2. (3,4,5,6)
2 = 2,6 . (1,3,4,5)
6 = 4,5,6. (1,2,3)
1 = 1,5. (2,3,4,6)
4 = 3,4,5 .(1,2,6)
1 = 1,3. (2,4,5,6)
4 = 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
4 = 4,6 .(1,2,3,5)
4 = 4,6 .(1,2,3,5)
6 = 2,6. (1,3,4,5)
6 = 6. (1,2,3,4,5)
1 = 1,5. (2,3,4,6)
4 = 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
2 = 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
3 = 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
2 = 2,4,5. (1,3,6)
3 = 1,2,3. (4,5,6)
4 = 1,4. (2,3,5,6)
1 = 1,3. (2,4,5,6)
6 = 1,5,6. (2,3,4)
4 = 4. (1,2,3,5,6)
1 = 1,3. (2,4,5,6)
5 = 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
2 = 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
4 = 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
3 = 3,5. (1,2,4,6)
The missing 1.
WWWW LL WW LLL W LL WW L W L WWWWW L WW L W LLLL W L WWWW.
The missing 2.
WW L WW L W L WWW LLLL WWWWWWW L WWW LLLL WWWWWW LL W.
The missing 3.
LL WW L W LL WWW L WWWWW LLL WWWWW LLL W L W L WW LLLLL.
The missing 4.
WWWW LLLLL WW LL WW L W L W LLL WWW LL W L W L WW L W L W L W.
The missing 5.
L W LL WW L W L WWWWWW LLL W L WWWW LL WW L WWW L WW LL W L.
The missing 6.
W L W L WWWWW LL WWW LL WWWW LLLL WWWWWWWW L WWWWWW.
Losing runs of 1 = 30. Winning runs of 1 = 19.
Losing runs of 2 = 12. Winning runs of 2 = 13.
Losing runs of 3 = 5. Winning runs of 3 = 6.
Losing runs of 4 = 4. Winning runs of 4 = 5.
Losing runs of 5 = 2. Winning runs of 5 = 5.
Losing runs of 6 = 0. Winning runs of 6 = 3.
Losing runs of 7 = 0. Winning runs of 7 = 1.
Losing runs of 8 = 0. Winning runs of 8 = 1.
No method will work for you long term unless you know it inside out.
One thing that strikes me on roulette forums and I am guilty of it myself is chopping and changing looking at different things. That will never get anybody nowhere fast.
Take this method I am going back over again. I understand it now almost like the back of my hand and I have complete confidence in the method itself and my ability to grind out the maximum profit I can get from it. That only came after really taking this thing apart and working with it. It is a point worth making because what is the point of knowing 10 different methods and being the master of none of them.
Now that does not mean flogging a dead horse but if you really think something has potential, stick with it and see it through to the end. If you were standing in the trenches, you would want your best buddy beside you. The same applies here.
2
5 = 1,3,5. (2,4,6)
2 = 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
1 = 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
5 = 3,4,5. (1,2,6)
2 = 2,3,5. (1,4,6)
6 = 4,5,6. (1,2,3)
6 = 6. (1,2,3,4,5)
3 = 3. (1,2,4,5,6)
3 = 3,6. (1,2,4,5)
4 = 1,4. (2,3,5,6)
2 = 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
1 = 1,4,5. (2,3,6)
3 = 2,3,4. (1,5,6)
3 = 3,6. (1,2,4,5)
4 = 1,4. (2,3,5,6)
3 = 3,5. (1,2,4,6)
4 = 1,4. (2,3,5,6)
4 = 4,6. (1,2,3,5)
The missing 1.
L W L WWWWWW L W L WW L W L W.
The missing 2.
W L WW L WWWWW L W L WWWWW.
The missing 3.
LL W LL WW LL W L W LL W L WW.
The missing 4.
WW LL W L WWW LLLL W L W LL.
The missing 5.
LLLLLL WWWWW L WWW L WW.
The missing 6.
WWWWW LL W L WWWW L WWW L.
I mentioned earlier on in this blog that you should be concentrating mostly on the 1, 2, 5 and 6 when looking for some nice winning runs.
Furthermore you will notice that you get a lot of single losses in the 1, 2, 5 and 6 to be sometimes followed by some nice win streaks. This is another area to look out for and profit from. I will leave the rest up to you guys.
I am taking a break now from the blog. I think I have covered everything that I set out to.
I apologise for not finishing the law of the third method however it is worth saying that it can be impractical for real live casino use because of the time that you actually have to place bets.
I would say on the record that the method I have finished up on is worthy of attention. You can cut down on a lot of the marking by just using a W/L registry like I have shown above. That is all you really need once you understand what you are doing. Of course you will still need to use the marking template and betting chart for reference purposes however you do not need to write any of that down on paper.
I hope some of you have got some enjoyment out of the ideas I have shared.
Rest assured I will be back if I come up with anything new and worthy of your attention.
Best wishes to you all and good luck at the tables.
john
hi john i have found your blog a great read.
your grind system is very hard to understand but once i printed out the templates and
betting pattern i understood it from there.
thanks for a great system i made a few pounds from it today.
hope your back with more soon.
thanks....Paul....... :good:
Thank you Paul.
I am glad that you had some success with it. Looking back, I suppose I could have explained things a bit better with this method. However I was still in the learning phase myself.
There are ways to make recording of information easier and there are without doubt some very good ways to play this particular strategy.
I will invest in a few web pages and dedicate it to explaining this strategy in more detail.
It is amazing how many times I have made a profit with this just flat betting. The missing 6 can act as a get out of jail free card on many occasions.
I will let you all know when I have the pages up and running.
cheers
*update* The pages can be found @ roulettegold.weebly.com
JG,
I have always had great admiration for your understanding of roulette and some of your novel approaches to the game. I have been reading following your blog with great interest.
I'm sure that many will benefit from your teaching. I love your streets system.
Thanks,
GLC
Thank you George, you are a gentleman.
The street method is more mechanical in nature than the sixline method. I like to play both to be honest.
The sixline way of play is more of a challenge and the wins are more satisfying. It's all good at the end of the day.
cheers
Well, a lot has happened over the last 4 months. I finally finished a method that I had spent the best part of 18 months working on. And boy, was it worth the wait. I hit my local several months ago and took them to the cleaners over a period of several weeks. So I decided to treat myself to an around the world gambling vacation.
Guess what? I came back with more money than I started off with! :dance1:
I have to say guys that I think I have cracked it. Anyway, I would not be coming here telling you any of this if I was not wanting to share it. I would absolutely love it if some of you guys experienced some of the results I have had with this.
I will show you a few snapshots and then explain things a bit more .
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This session was a better one. The two combined gave me 144 units profit in next to no time. Happy days.
The bet revolves around playing 12 numbers. The strike rate is bloody fantastic.
The key to it in my opinion is the many options available within the bet itself. It lends itself to produce winning runs one way or another.
I will write out some instructions in a couple of Word Documents and post them up for anyone interested to follow.
stay tuned...
And the entire method for FREE!! Thank you sir, take your time. :thumbsup:
Ken
Im looking forward to a new idea.
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looking forward! bravo!
ok guys, let's get started.
I was not joking when I said this one took me months to get working. Now I don't have months to write out everything again. So what I am going to do is tell you what you need to do and show you some examples which will allow you to complete most of the work for yourself. Of course I will answer any questions.
First of all, you need 2 sets of charts to work from.
Below is a snapshot of the first set. This set represents the wheel layout. You will see I have completed the first 4. You will need to complete the rest. You will also notice there is only 36 numbers and not 37.
*IMPORTANT* I should say right now that this is for the SINGLE ZERO wheel only. Sorry to dissapoint anybody who may only have the double zero option available.
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Below is a snapshot of the second set. I have completed the first 4 and you will need to complete the rest.
You will again notice that there is only 36 numbers and not 37 in each group.
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Sounds complicated.
Hello Warrior.
The parts to the method will look complicated but you will see at the end how they all come together and compliment each other to turn it into what I consider the most poweful bet I have ever come across.
I should add it's not something I can relay in a day or so. It will likely take a few weeks just adding a new bit each day.
The bet is based on the dozens and columns.
The bet is based on dozens and columns.
1 = 1A.
2 = 1B.
3 = 1C.
4 = 1A.
5 = 1B.
6 = 1C.
7 = 1A.
8 = 1B.
9 = 1C.
10 = 1A.
11 = 1B.
12 = 1C.
13 = 2A.
14 = 2B.
15 = 2C.
16 = 2A.
17 = 2B.
18 = 2C.
19 = 2A.
20 = 2B.
21 = 2C.
22 = 2A.
23 = 2B.
24 = 2C.
25 = 3A.
26 = 3B.
27 = 3C.
28 = 3A.
29 = 3B.
30 = 3C.
31 = 3A.
32 = 3B.
33 = 3C.
34 = 3A.
35 = 3B.
36 = 3C.
So if you look at the very first snapshot that I posted up.
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You can see that the first number 36 is represented by 3c.
The next number out was 10 which is represented by 1a.
The (n) next to the 1a means it was not a repeat of either the previous dozen (3) or the previous column (c).
The next number out was 9 which is represented by 1c.
This has a (y) next to it because there is a repeat here of the previous dozen.
That is easy enough to follow but you will also notice two other rows with dozen/column markings and either a (y) or (n) in them.
This is where the two sets of charts will come into play. I will explain in detail how to use them in my next post which will be up some time tomorrow. Thanks.
ok i get it so far.
thanx a lot John.
very interesting, pls go on
Now I will explain how to use the 2 sets of charts. (I should add that you won't need to go through all this manually when you are playing or it would be impossible. You will be surprised how it all comes together at the end. It is a bit like a jigsaw puzzle. I want to show you all the pieces first and explain how they all work. I feel that will give you a good insight into the method itself.)
So if you look at the first snapshot again, you will see the first number in the first row was 36 which is represented by 3c for the 3rd dozen and column c.
The next number out was 10 which is represented by 1a for the 1st dozen and column a.
The (n) tells you that neither the previous dozen (3) or column (c) repeated.
Now let's look at what's going on in the second row. You will see there is a 2b and this is followed by a 1b (y). I am now going to show you how I arrived at this.
This is where you will use the first lot of the 2 sets of charts you wrote out.
The first number out was 36. So the next number after 36 on the single zero wheel is 11. (This is where you will work from.)
You will have a group of numbers in your charts that starts at 11 and works around to 13.
I will assign them the following markings which represents the dozens and columns.
11 = 1A.
30 = 1B.
8 = 1C.
23 = 1A.
10 = 1B.
5 = 1C.
24 = 1A.
16 = 1B.
33 = 1C.
1 = 1A.
20 = 1B.
14 = 1C.
31 = 2A.
9 = 2B.
22 = 2C.
18 = 2A.
29 = 2B.
7 = 2C.
28 = 2A.
12 = 2B.
35 = 2C.
3 = 2A.
26 = 2B.
0 = 2C.
32 = 3A.
15 = 3B.
19 = 3C.
4 = 3A.
21 = 3B.
2 = 3C.
25 = 3A.
17 = 3B.
34 = 3C.
6 = 3A.
27 = 3B.
13 = 3C.
Let's recap.
The first number out was 36 which went to 10. You can see that the 10 is represented by 1b looking at the numbers above. The b in the 1b has repeated because previously there was a 2b. That's why there is a (y) Obviously y = repeat, n = no repeat.
I will do one more.
The next number out after 10 is 9. So the next number after 10 on the single 0 wheel is 5. (This is where you will work from.)
You will have a group of numbers in your charts that starts from 5 and works around to 23.
I will assign them the following markings which represents the dozens and columns.
5 = 1A.
24 = 1B.
16 = 1C.
33 = 1A.
1 = 1B.
20 = 1C.
14 = 1A.
31 = 1B.
9 = 1C.
22 = 1A.
18 = 1B.
29 = 1C.
7 = 2A.
28 = 2B.
12 = 2C.
35 = 2A.
3 = 2B.
26 = 2C.
0 = 2A.
32 = 2B.
15 = 2C.
19 = 2A.
4 = 2B.
21 = 2C.
2 = 3A.
25 = 3B.
17 = 3C.
34 = 3A.
6 = 3B.
27 = 3C.
13 = 3A.
36 = 3B.
11 = 3C.
30 = 3A.
8 = 3B.
23 = 3C.
So let's recap again.
The number 10 went to number 9. You can see this time that the 9 is represented by 1c. The 1 has repeated this time from the previous 1b and that is why you find a (y) next to the 1c in the snapshot.
I will show you how to use the set of charts for the third row in my next post and then round things up a bit before moving onto the next component of the method.
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. . . . . . Now let's look at what's going on in the second row. You will see there is a 2b and this is followed by a 1b (y). . . .
Thank you John for sharing your winning method. It is very generous from you.
So far I understand everything, except I cannot figure out where the 2b came from.
I would apprecite if you could explain it to me.
Kind regards
Robert
Hello Robert, don't worry about the 2b. At the beginning, you will normally see something like the following.
23 2B.
8 1B (y) 3C 2A.
15 2C (n) 2B (n) 1A (y) = 6.
The 36 you see in the snapshot was not the first number out. Sorry for any confusion.
Here I will show you how to use the second lot of charts.
Looking at the first snapshot again, you will see the first number out was 36.
In your second lot of charts, you will have a group of numbers which starts from 0 and works around to 35. (remember, you are working from number after the 36)
Here are the markings which represents the dozens and columns.
0 = 1A.
1 = 1B.
2 = 1C.
3 = 1A.
4 = 1B.
5 = 1C.
6 = 1A.
7 = 1B.
8 = 1C.
9 = 1A.
10 = 1B.
11 = 1C.
12 = 2A.
13 = 2B.
14 = 2C.
15 = 2A.
16 = 2B.
17 = 2C.
18 = 2A.
19 = 2B.
20 = 2C.
21 = 2A.
22 = 2B.
23 = 2C.
24 = 3A.
25 = 3B.
26 = 3C.
27 = 3A.
28 = 3B.
29 = 3C.
30 = 3A.
31 = 3B.
32 = 3C.
33 = 3A.
34 = 3B.
35 = 3C.
So the 36 went to 10 and you can see the 10 is represented above by 1b. The 1 is a repeat from the previous 1a if you look at the snapshot and that's why you see a (y) next to the 1b.
I will do one more. So the number out now is 10. (I need to work from one number after the 10 which is 11.) You will have a group of numbers which starts at the 11 and works around to the 9.
11 = 1A.
12 = 1B.
13 = 1C.
14 = 1A.
15 = 1B.
16 = 1C.
17 = 1A.
18 = 1B.
19 = 1C.
20 = 1A.
21 = 1B.
22 = 1C.
23 = 2A.
24 = 2B.
25 = 2C.
26 = 2A.
27 = 2B.
28 = 2C.
29 = 2A.
30 = 2B.
31 = 2C.
32 = 2A.
33 = 2B.
34 = 2C.
35 = 3A.
36 = 3B.
0 = 3C.
1 = 3A.
2 = 3B.
3 = 3C.
4 = 3A.
5 = 3B.
6 = 3C.
7 = 3A.
8 = 3B.
9 = 3C.
So the 10 went to 9. You can see the 9 is represented by 3c. There is an (n) here.
That explains how the 2 sets of charts work. There is enough examples in the first 2 snapshots to work through to get the picture.
Ok, so what do the (y) and (n) do?
There are 8 possible combinations going across the 3 rows.
1, y y y.
2, y y n.
3, y n n.
4, y n y.
5, n n n.
6, n n y.
7, n y y.
8, n y n.
This is what decides what numbers or combination of numbers will be bet. I will cover this in my next post.
Thanks John for your quick reply. Everything is clear now.
I'm looking forward to your next posts.
Kind regards
Robert
Now I am going to explain more about the (y) and the (n) and how they form into 8 sets of numbers.
1, y y y.
2, y y n.
3, y n n.
4, y n y.
5, n n n.
6, n n y.
7, n y y.
8, n y n.
Going back to the first snapshot again. 36 went to number 10. Now number 10 belongs to 1a.
So if a (y) was going to appear in the first row after the next number, it would require one of the following numbers to appear.
1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,16,19,22,25,28,31,34. All these numbers belong to 1a (first dozen or column a)
What about for row 2 and 3 working from the number 5 in the first set of charts and working from number 11 in the second set of charts.
Have a look at the following snapshot.
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So for a (y) to appear in the second row, a number from 1b would have to appear.
5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9,22,18,29,28,3,32,4,25,6,36,8.
For a (y) to appear in the third row, a number from 1b would have to appear.
11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,24,27,30,33,36,2,5,8.
The following snapshot shows how it would all look.
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As it turned out, number 9 came out. This is y y n belonging to group 2.
Here are all the numbers in their correct groups. So when the 36 went to 10, you would have had the following 8 groups in front of you when deciding to place a bet or not for the next spin.
1 (y y y) = 5,8,16,22.
2 (y y n) = 1,3,4,6,9,25,28,31.
3 (y n n) = 7,10,34.
4 (y n y) = 2,11,12,13,19.
5 (n n n) = 0,23,26,35.
6 (n n y) = 15,17,21,27,30.
7 (n y y) = 14,18,20,24,33,36.
8 (n y n) = 29,32.
I will show you tomorrow the best combination of groups to use and when. Some of the group combinations are amazing because of the way they allow you to lay out your chips. The key to the whole method is how to use these groups effectively.
Here is an unrelated example to anything else. It will just give you an idea if you are trying to figure it out.
5 appears as your first number.
5 = 1B.
The Next number out is 22.
5 = 1B.
22 = 2A (n) 1C 2B.
The next number out is 3.
5 = 1B.
22 = 2A (n) 1C 2B.
3 = 1C (n) 1A (y) 2C (y) = 7.
Now you will have the following groups in front of you for the next bet.
1 = 2,6,15,18,21,24,27.
2 = 1,4,11.
3 = 3,5,7,8,10.
4 = 9,12,30,33,36.
5 = 13,14,29,35.
6 = 16,20,22.
7 = 17,19,23,25,26.
8 = 0,28,31,32,34.
One combination I would be considering here is the 5, 6, 7 and 8 groups.
It can be covered nicely with 8 splits (ignoring the zero)
13/16, 14/17, 19/20, 22/23, 25/26, 28/29, 31/32, 34/35.
---Very familiar with some improvements from last year.
Could be improved even to better with a slight tweak.
Hello Medo, I hope you are well and having fun. It would be good to hear of any suggestions from yourself.
By now, it will be obvious that the hard work comes from writing out all the different 8 combinations. There is a different set of combinations each time a number goes to another number.
Here is an example.
The number 1 appears and then the next number out is number 2.
So you have 1 – 2 = 1B 2B 1A.
The 8 combinations will be the following.
1, y y y = 3,4,5,9,11,14.
2, y y n = 1,17,20,23,29,32.
3, y n n = 2,26,35.
4, y n y = 6,7,8,10,12.
5, n n n = 0,19,25,34.
6, n n y = 13,15,21,30,36.
7, n y y = 18,24,27,33.
8, n y n = 16,22,28,31.
But.... suppose the 1 appears and then the next number out is 3.
Now you have 1 – 3 = 1C 1C 1B.
The 8 combinations will be the following.
1, y y y = 4,5,6,7,8,15.
2, y y n = 2,21,33,36.
3, y n n = 3,18,24,27,30.
4, y n y = 1,9,10,11,12.
5, n n n = 16,28,31.
6, n n y = 13,20,23,29.
7, n y y = 14,17,26,32,35.
8, n y n = 0,19,22,25,34.
I spent a few hours every day writing out all the different combinations and I don't have the time to write them all out again on here. Maybe someone with programming skills would be kind enough to do it and save everyone a mountain of work. I would be happy to pay to have it done to help everyone if someone is prepared to do it. Just let me know. Thanks.
I have all the combinations in a small (well worn) book which is easy enough to flick through the pages. The top looks like...
23 -34 = 3A 3B 1B.
Then it has the 8 combinations below that. Below that is the numbers split into the different groups that I look out for. There is no real point in me going into the specifics until anybody interested is up to speed with all the different combinations. So I will be happy to continue once we are all singing from the same sheet. Feel free to fire any general questions in the meantime.
Maybe you could scan them.
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Maybe you could scan them.
That would be very time consuming.
It took me several hours a day over a month figuring them all out and writing them down in a book. It would be a lot easier if someone can programme it. It would then be easy enough for anyone to just copy over the data.
Somebody asked me what the deal is with the three rows of numbers. I will try and explain a bit.
A lot of players like to have a few different systems to play at the same time. They figure that one of them may bring some positive results and they can just hop on board and try and ride it. So the three rows is in effect playing three different systems/games at the same time or at least tracking them to see which is throwing up favourable results and which you would not want to touch with a barge pole.
I am going to show a couple of pictures below. This shows the numbers coming out for the three rows and then counts down all the original numbers. The count stays the same each time there is a repeat. The total of stars represent how many original numbers have come out for the three rows combined.
Looking at the first picture shows how original numbers are slower coming out in row 1 compared to row 2. At spin 58, there are still 9 numbers left of the original 37 to appear in row 1 where as there are only 3 numbers left to appear of the original 37 in row 2. So following along these lines is at least giving you different options to follow.
These pictures are interesting to me because it shows that by using the three rows, a sleeper is coming out nearly every other spin. It appears also that you are getting a lot of double hits (original numbers coming out) between around spin 40-50. This would produce a 72 unit payout. 3 original numbers would be even better with a 108 unit payout. It could be something worth looking into.
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The suggestion I mentioned in the above post looks promising.
Playing for one of the cold numbers to appear from all three rows from spin 38 produced the following results from the first picture.
chips placed = 860.
chips returned = 1044.
I would personally suggest however to stop once there is a combined total of 12 cold numbers left from the three rows and start again. This would have saved 36 chips in the above example.
The second picture produced the following.
chips placed = 751.
chips returned = 884.
So not a bad return over the 2 games. About 350 chips. There were 29 wins (including double and triple wins) in the first game and 24 wins (including double and triple wins) in the second game. It certainly deserves some extensive research and testing. I have recently become a big fan of progressions in the right circumstances. This one may suit some style of progression because the numbers are always counting down as the sleepers are appearing.
I have added another game below. This time I have included how many chips are bet per round and a +/- running total. This game was a bit more volatile than some of my other testing and the sleepers were not in a hurry to come out.
There were still a combined total of 22 sleepers from all three rows yet to appear at spin 58. The average in my testing at this point is about 18 sleepers still to show. It still came out with a 45 unit gain when I stopped.
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One final game.
A few things to note here.....
Second row. From spin 38-52, there was only one sleeper appeared. Then 6 came out in the next 7 spins.
Third row. From spin 49-60. There was only one sleeper appeared.
Still managed to hit a 50 chip profit.
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Another game here.
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That's around 500 chips up after 5 games. There is maybe the starting point for something useful here.
No clue on how your system works.
Quote from: WARRIOR on October 25, 2011, 10:12:51 PM
No clue on how your system works.
--Very simple Warrior mate.....if I tell you that it wins
would you then start from the post 1.....if you wana be
a winner,well do just that. 8)
Hello guys and thank you Medo for your encouragement. :thumbsup:
I suppose this blog has become a bit of a hodgepodge of ideas and is getting a bit confusing.
I will continue to write in here but I am considering starting a new thread titled 'John Gold's Methods'. That could be more structured with an index page which will give a brief description of each method.
Some of the methods in this blog are unfinished because nobody really showed any interest. I will say here and now that the method with the 8 number combinations is far and away the best of the bunch and is in my opinion as close to a long term winning method that I am likely to find. I will continue with that once anybody interested has completed the necessary charts they need in order to understand what's going on.
One thing that puts me off starting another thread is the seeming lack of interest on this forum. It looks to have died a death. It is probably a sympton of complacency and too many that have being around the block a few times but you only get out of it what you put in. I have had guys contact me with all sorts of great ideas and they don't post on here for the very reasons that I am talking about. Anyway, I will get down from my soapbox now.
@WARRIOR, I will attempt to explain more about the method above regarding the sleepers when I get back from my visit to the dentist this afternoon.
Quote from: medo on October 26, 2011, 06:12:19 AM
--Very simple Warrior mate.....if I tell you that it wins
would you then start from the post 1.....if you wana be
a winner,well do just that. 8)
I have been following this trying to absorb what has been written ,i understand the charts ,and the d and colums but no idea how to extract all the rest no clear to me thanks.
I will attempt to explain in a bit more detail about the method involving the 'sleepers'.
Example:
The first number to appear is 10 and then follows 22. Here would be the markings. (this is for a single zero wheel)
10
22(36) 10 (36) 12(36) ***
So what does all this tell us?
I am using my three columns approach here.
The first column is the actual number that appears on the wheel.
The second column number is the pockets the ball travelled from the previous number to the new number. So for 10 to reach 22, it has to pass the following numbers. 5,24,16,33,1,20,14,31,9 and then lands on 22. Counting these numbers up in total = 10. (you don't count from the original number which was the 10, you start counting from the 5.)
The third column number is a count which resembles a clock face. So for 10 to reach 22, it has to pass the following numbers. 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21 and finally 22. Counting these numbers in total = 12. (once again, you don't count from the original number which was 10, you would start from the 11.)
The (36) represents the countdown from a full set of 37 numbers. This procedure is done for all three columns.
The *** is showing that there were original numbers appearing in all three columns with no repeats.
The next number out is 34. Here are the new markings.
10
22(36) 10(36) 12(36) ***
34(35) 18(35) 12(36) **
So the 34 in the first column is another original number and not a repeat. The counter now drops to (35)
How did I get the 18 in the second column. The ball travelled from the previous number which was 22 to the new number which is 34. So the ball travelled over the following pockets.
18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4,21,2,25,17 and finally 34. (Add them all up and you get 18)
The 18 is also an original number in the second column and so the counter in the second column is down to (35)
How did I get the 34 in the third column. Count from the 22 to the 34.
23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33 and finally 34. (This adds up to 12 numbers in total)
The 12 is a repeat number in the third column. Therefore the counter remains at (36)
You have only had 2 original numbers on this line and that's why you see the **.
If you look at the snapshots and read the above, you should be able to see clearly what is going on regarding the markings.
I will explain more about the betting side of things in my next post.
Now to explain the betting side of things.
The game in the snapshot below will help you understand the explanation.
The following occurred in this game after 37 spins.
There were 13 sleepers in the first column.
There were 17 sleepers in the second column.
There were 14 sleepers in the third column.
I am going to start betting on all these from the 38th spin onwards.
The sleepers from the first column are as follows.
1,2,4,8,10,13,15,18,19,25,26,32,33.
So this is a simple case of just placing a single chip on each of these 13 numbers.
Working out the bets for the sleepers in the second and third column is slightly more complicated as you will see.
The sleepers from the second column are as follows.
2,5,6,9,10,11,12,13,14,19,20,24,25,29,32,33,36.
Ok, now the previous number out on spin 37 was 36 .
So you have to match up the sleepers with the pocket distances from the 36.
So the first sleeper in the second column was 2.
Going two pockets from the 36 will take you to number 30. So you would place a chip on 30.
The second sleeper in the second column was 5.
Going 5 pockets from the 36 will take you to number 10. So you place a chip on 10.
I will list the sleepers from column 2 and the corresponding numbers you would be betting on.
2 = 30.
5 = 10.
6 = 5.
9 = 33.
10 = 1.
11 = 20.
12 = 14.
13 = 31.
14 = 9.
19 = 28.
20 = 12.
24 = 0.
25 = 32.
29 = 21.
32 = 17.
33 = 34.
36 = 13.
What is important to remember is that the numbers to bet on for the second and third columns will adjust every spin. (you can easily make tracking wheels for use in a B+M casino. A tracking programme would be ideal for online play)
The sleepers from the third column are as follows.
2,5,6,7,8,14,17,19,20,23,25,26,27,29.
Now the previous number was 36. So you bet using the clock face analogy.
The first sleeper in the third column was 2.
Counting two forward from 36 (including the zero) takes you to 1. So would you place a chip on the 1.
The second sleeper in the third column was 5.
Counting 5 forward from 36 takes you to 4. So you would you place a chip on the 4.
I will now list the sleepers from column three and the corresponding numbers you would be betting on.
2 = 1.
5 = 4.
6 = 5.
7 = 6.
8 = 7.
14 = 13.
17 = 16.
19 = 18.
20 = 19.
23 = 22.
25 = 24.
26 = 25.
27 = 26.
29 = 28.
So you are placing 44 chips down in total. Some numbers will have 2 chips on and some may have 3 on.
Looking at the snapshots, you get a double hit when you see **. This results in a 72 chips return.
*** is a triple hit returning 108 chips.
Studying what I have written over the last few posts and looking at the snapshots will make things clear.
This particular method is still in the early stages of testing. It looks promising. I am going to put some time in and see if it can be improved.
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cheers
One thing to note with all three columns is how they all comply with the so-called 'rule of the third'.
You can chart 37 numbers using the 3 column approach and the average missing numbers in all three columns is the same over thousands of spins. The average after the second cycle of 37 spins seems to be around 4 numbers left still to come out in each of the three columns. That's why I suggested stopping when there was a combined total of 12 sleepers still to come out across the three columns. A triple hit (***) at this stage would be nice but you could throw away a 50 chip profit in 4 spins.
Another point to note which is a bit difficult to explain is regarding the sleepers in the second and third column.
Take the example above. The first sleeper in the second row was 2 which had me betting number 30. Well yes, the 2 in terms of the pocket distances was a sleeper but the actual number 30 had already appeared twice in the first 37 spins. Maybe that is one of the reasons why this appears to work well. You are sometimes playing 'hot sleepers' :D Talk about a contradiction in terms.
This game was an interesting one because a lot of numbers had already come by the 37th spin.
There were only 10 sleepers left in the first column and 11 sleepers left in the second column.
It still got into a healthy profit by the 48th spin.
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....and now for something completely different! :)
I was checking out the tracker developed by Ophis on the other site (it's a brilliant creation) and looking at all the different methods on it. Albalaha's "finest roulette method" caught my eye. I decided to test it a bit using my three columns approach. The same rules apply but obviously a bigger bankroll would be needed. The three column approach could feasibly take the numbers bet on up to 12 however I think that would be pretty rare.
It's just an idea but an interesting tweak to it. It may be that no numbers are hitting three times in 18 spins in one column but coming up plenty in another.
A picture is below just to give you an idea. You can find the original idea over on the other forum (roulette forum.cc)
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p.s. The loss at -95 should read -98 but the final profit of 14 is right, lol.
Another quick game this time!
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One good thing about the three column approach with this is that it could be possible to get a double or triple hit on the same spin because of the bet placements for the second and third column.
Hi John, I've been following your thread with interest, I coded albalas FMODR into a bot it does work well but there does come a time, too often too, when the double repeats don't hit that 3rd time, now, he does say at that point to flat bet, I tried all different durations to start the flat betting then re-instate the progression after a hit, I think the best I found was after 16 losses in a row I went flat bet until a win, again it did work well but as usual there somes another round of no hits straight after 1 hit so you never recover the progression and it spirals out of control, depending where you are playing it reaches table limits fast too.
Cheers Superman,
The three column approach could help it along a bit until the day comes (and it will) when all three columns get shy about jumping from 2 to 3 hits. Maybe a stop loss would be the key here. I am going to play about with it a bit and see what happens.
Another couple of games to finish off with.
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I remember trying a few methods something similar to this a few years ago and they did not lead me anywhere.
The difference is that I did not limit the numbers to bet and I also did not incorporate an idea like what Superman suggested of reverting back to flat betting after a string of losses. My gut tells me it probably won't work. The problem is early tests always look promising. I am sure that is some kind of 'gamblers curse' ;)
Back to the previous method concerning the sleeping numbers in three columns.
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This was a tougher session but still came out ahead.
It really look promesing John,but the only thing that worries me
would it be possible playing it on a real live table.As have tried it
with one of my methods/like you did with Albalahas/and I just
couldn't do it in time with 'no more bets pls'.....maybe after some
head training....as I do it all from head/no spreadsheets/once I
learn a method from A to Z.......... 8) 8)
Hello Medo,
I will take my hat off to you if you can do this in your head. :hi:
Tracker wheels are the way to go in a B+M casino. All you need is a small round disc with the numbers displayed around the outside in their wheel formation. (0,32,15,19 etc...) Have a smaller rotating disc on the inside with numbers starting from 0 through to 36. (0,1,2,3 etc...) Point the 0 on the inner disc towards the current number.
example: The 0 on the inner rotating disc is pointing at 32 because that is the current number. The next number out is 8. Now look around to the outer disc where the 8 is. If you look below to the inner rotating disc, you should see the number 14. Put an X on both the outer 8 and the inner 14. Now rotate the 0 on the inner disk to underneath the 8 on the outer disk. This will show you what numbers have come out using my column 1 and column 2 approach.
You will also need a seperate tracker for the third column.
Airball roulette is ideal for this because you get a fixed time to place bets and you can get into a rhythm. I was asked on several occasions to stop using the discs on live tables by the management of a few casinos. They don't seem to mind me using them at airball machines or the LCD display screens hooked up to the live wheels.
Another option is to have a playing partner to reduce the workload. Most of the live online casinos give me plenty of time to use the trackers. A lot of my methods take some working and I like to break my sessions up throughout the day. I find live online casinos ideal for that. Luckily I have about 10 B+M casinos all within a 15-20 mile radius that I can choose from as well.
I suppose one of the reasons the casinos don't like me using the trackers at the tables is because they assume I am playing some kind of ballistics/dealers signature method.
One thing I did notice is that when the tables get busy and a few of the players are winning creating a lot of work for the dealer, this is the time when some kind of signature can present itself. A tracker can help you identify these situations. The trick is to get in and get out with a profit in such circumstances because what I found is the signature tends to be just a temporary bias. Some dealers seem to fall into the trap more than others.
This game was short and sweet. :)
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You can't get any better than hitting a triple *** on the first spin.
I will leave things there for now because I think that just about wraps things up.
I am still looking for a programmer to help me develop some of my other ideas so that I can share them with you guys. I will keep you all informed of my progress.
Cheers :thumbsup:
I was going to save this one for next time but hey what the heck!
See the picture below:
After 37 spins...
26/37 in the first column = 11 sleepers.
23/37 in the second column = 14 sleepers.
26/37 in the third column = 11 sleepers.
Typical 'rule of the third' stuff. Now my figures show me that after the second cycle of 37 spins, you end up with an average of 4 numbers left in each column. So 8 out of the 12 will roughly appear (there's that rule again ;D)
The plan is to wait for any of the sleepers to appear from the first cycle of 37 in any of the three columns. Then back them for the remainder of the cycle or quit when you feel happy you have made a decent profit. Or alternatively fix a stop loss.
Now this is easy to track and play compared to a few of the other methods I have shown you recently.
Like I said in another thread, you need a few tricks in your bag. This is another one. You gotta love them double hits!
enjoy :thumbsup:
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In the second cycle, numbers with a * next to them indicate a sleeper has appeared.
Numbers with a - next to them indicate a repeat from the first cycle.
The one thing I like about this alternative method is that the outlay is not as high. A double or triple hits would give the balance a healthy boost.
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One thing to note: I did not use any progressions in the above 2 examples. It may not even be necessary to go down that road. Besides, things can get out of hand pretty quickly if you need to keep adding a few numbers and the losing hits keep coming. Maybe the potential double and triple hits can keep this afloat just flat betting. Time will tell.
They don't make 'em like this anymore, lol.
nolinks://youtu.be/kUmusWYw4nM (nolinks://youtu.be/kUmusWYw4nM)
Certainly the drawdowns don't appear to be as severe using this alternative method.
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The third column produced a bit of a nightmare scenario from spin 34 to spin to spin 54. There was not one original number (sleeper) that appeared in all that time. So 13 sleepers slept for 20 spins.
I think I can safely say this alternative to the previous idea is better. You don't need to get double or triple hits with this to stay in front.
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A few things to note here about this particular bet.
I don't think it will ever go past 24 numbers to bet in the second cycle of 37 spins.
My records tell me that an average of 4 sleepers will be remaining in each column at the end of the second cycle.
So take into account that there are roughly 12 numbers sleeping from each column after the first cycle of 37 spins.
Now sometimes there will be several chips on the same number. You could just stick to flat betting them with 1 unit if you were already in profit or stick the extra on if you were behind and hope it gets you back in front.
I will need to do a lot more testing and see if there is an optimal way to play it. My early thoughts are that it looks promising enough. Who knows, maybe a few tweaks here and there and it could turn into a half decent bet.
Hello :)
I was reading Mr J's latest method "stop at 6" and wanted to share this.
It is using my three column approach. Wait for any number from the three columns to appear '3' times in the first cycle of 37 spins and then bet on it until the end of the cycle. DON'T go beyond the first 37 spins.
A programme is attatched. It is simple enough to operate. All you need to do is input the numbers as they come out and it will display the correct markings for the 3 columns and tell you if there is a bet according to the rules above.
If nothing else, it will maybe be useful for anyone interested in studying and experimenting with the three column approach. It sure saves time trying to work things out manually.
cheers.
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Hi John
Very interesting but also very complicated, may I ask you what is your reasoning behind this method, why should it work?
May be I'm missing something but it looks just like a different way of picking numbers to bet on.
I have only just found this site but have studied roulette since 1980 with a view to beating it and have made a living at it since 2002.
Took me 22 years on and off testing systems that I have invented until eventually I came up with the right one.
Even so there are days when it can lose no system is infallible as we all know, but the one strict rule that I impose on myself is this. I play 3 times a day and my target is £50 each session, but if I go £25 down I pack in immediately.
This means that to every 2 losing sessions I only need one winning one to catch up.
Good luck to you hope it keeps on working.
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Hi John
Very interesting but also very complicated, may I ask you what is your reasoning behind this method, why should it work?
May be I'm missing something but it looks just like a different way of picking numbers to bet on.
I have only just found this site but have studied roulette since 1980 with a view to beating it and have made a living at it since 2002.
Took me 22 years on and off testing systems that I have invented until eventually I came up with the right one.
Even so there are days when it can lose no system is infallible as we all know, but the one strict rule that I impose on myself is this. I play 3 times a day and my target is £50 each session, but if I go £25 down I pack in immediately.
This means that to every 2 losing sessions I only need one winning one to catch up.
Good luck to you hope it keeps on working.
---Playing 3 times a day does this means on line casinos?????
Yes these days it is, I used to travel around many different casinos so as not to visit the same one to often.
Hello John,
Welcome to the forum :thumbsup:
It is great to hear that you are having success at the game.
Somebody once said that ideas are to be used as an 'analysis tool' rather than as a fixed mechanical system.
I tried to get this point across earlier in the blog by showing many different ways to crunch the numbers.
The last few ideas were an attempt to tackle the 'rule of the third' idea. They are frankly a step backwards because they rely too heavily on gamblers fallacy. Sometimes I think we all go a few steps backwards in order to try and move another step forward.
It is my opinion that the most important element required to be a successful player is timing.
I am looking forward to reading your future posts and wish you continued success.
Hello John
Yes over the years I have taken 2 steps forward and 4 steps back many times lol.
I wish I had found this site years ago, as I love reading about peoples ideas and systems on the game of roulette.
I have a system that works and makes me a living on roulette, It took me about 22 years to finally arrive at it, I almost gave up the fight so many times and thought to myself many times that the game cant be beaten.
One thing that kept me going was that I had read the book "Thirteen against the bank" by Norman Leigh and after having practised his method I hit my local casino to try it out. I was about £120 up and I was suddenly aware of someone behind me looking over my shoulder. I looked round and it was the manager he said I'm sorry but you will have to stop playing, I said whys that, he said your playing reverse labouchere, I pretended I had never heard of it and said what do you mean. I can tell by your notes he said, so sorry but you can play any other method but not that.
I was 19 years old then (Nearly 52 now :-( ) but when I got home I thought to myself that one day I'm going to come up with my own system that no one will know about, little did I know it would take me 22 bloody years lol.
Regards
John
--Well congratulations Johnd......am sure you will get
lot of PMs after your statement. 8) 8)
They said to you to not play the reverse lab hmmmm.
Time to get back to what really counts in my opinion and that's the art of timing.
I shared what I consider to be a long term winning method on this blog starting on page 5.
Here is a quick session I played tonight.
10.
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6.
5.
9.
12. 1/2/7. WON.
7. 1/2/8. LOST. (GROUP 2)
11. 1/2/8. WON.
1. 3/5/8. WON. (GROUP 1)
11. 5/6/8. LOST.
3. 5/6/8. LOST. (GROUP 3) (MISSING GROUP 4)
10. 5/6/8. LOST.
9. 5/6/8. LOST. (GROUP 3) BET STREETS 4,7,9,10. +8.
10. (10) 5/6/8. LOST.
1. (3) 5/6/8. LOST. (GROUP 3) BET STREETS 1,2,3,11,12. +7. (+15)
2. (1,2) 5/6/8. WON.
9. (5) 6/8/12. LOST. (GROUP 2) BET STREETS 1,2,4,7,9,10. +6. (+21)
4. (4) 6/8/12.
You would need to go back and start reading from page 5 to get an understanding of what's going on here if you are unfamiliar with it.
Group 1 = WIN/WIN (opposite = LOSS/LOSS)
Group 2 = WIN/LOSS (opposite = LOSS/WIN)
Group 3 = LOSS/LOSS (opposite = WIN/WIN)
Group 4 = LOSS/WIN (opposite = WIN/LOSS)
So once the group 4 became the missing group, I was hoping to see the LOSS in the second result of each pair.
I hit 3/3 and decided to quit with a 21 unit profit.
There is nothing really mechanical with this method because it changes all the time going with the flow of what's happening on the wheel.
It only ever costs you 1 bet to try and capture a string of wins.
One progression that seems to suit this method is the "Gr8player" progression. (google it if you don't know it).
A progression should never be an excuse to bet on every spin. Combining a solid method with a solid progression and using timing as the key will give the player a fighting chance to come out ahead over time.
Well yes, which surprised me a little bit as Its not an infallible system It relies on you having a good run on one of the EC bets.
Norman Leigh came up with quite a clever system there but one thing that surprised me was the fact that he hadn't realised that if his players had only bet the difference between the 2 bets on R/B or O/E or H/L then when ZERO came in he could of saved a lot of chips, if RED was 120 and BLACK 80 then with his method he would lose 100 but if you bet the diff you only lose 20.
I am going to set myself a challenge of playing every day at one of the online casinos and see how much profit I can make before christmas playing the street method. It will be a bit of fun if nothing else.
Betvoyager's No Zero roulette will do for the challenge. They are the only RNG which I would trust playing at.
No doubt they will be ups and downs but I am pretty confident of coming out reasonably ahead.
I will post the daily results here in the blog.
Quote from: johnd147 on November 04, 2011, 05:33:46 PM
Well yes, which surprised me a little bit as Its not an infallible system It relies on you having a good run on one of the EC bets.
Norman Leigh came up with quite a clever system there but one thing that surprised me was the fact that he hadn't realised that if his players had only bet the difference between the 2 bets on R/B or O/E or H/L then when ZERO came in he could of saved a lot of chips, if RED was 120 and BLACK 80 then with his method he would lose 100 but if you bet the diff you only lose 20.
--Meaning on la partage table.
2
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1
12
8
11
5
9 2/7/10. LOST.
3 2/7/10. WON. (GROUP 4)
4 7/10/12. WON.
3 7/8/12. WON. (GROUP 1)
3 5/7/8. LOST.
2 (2) 5/7/8. WON. (GROUP 4)
9 (7,9) 1/6/8. WON.
5 (1,5,8) 3/4/6. WON. (GROUP 1)
4 (4,10,11) 3/6/12.
In this example, groups 1 and 4 are dominating. There are only 4 groups and 2 of them can go on some very long winning runs.
Group 1 = WIN/WIN (opposite = LOSS/LOSS)
Group 2 = WIN/LOSS (opposite = LOSS/WIN)
Group 3 = LOSS/LOSS (opposite = WIN/WIN)
Group 4 = LOSS/WIN (opposite = WIN/LOSS)
So you can see looking at the above chart that you are guaranteed a win in the second result of each pair should the 1 and 4 group keep appearing.
You need to be prepared to switch over playing for the WIN or LOSS depending on what the wheel is throwing up.
It's not easy at first but you do get used to it and it eventually becomes second nature to identify all the different betting options that are available.
Regarding my daily Betvoyager challenge.....
I tried to deposit money into there yesterday but it would not allow it for some reason. Today it was working fine, so I will have my first game when I get back from the gym this evening.
I will be using the 'gr8player' progression if needed, lol. Some games are easier than others and I can just flat bet all the way through. I don't really have a profit target in mind. I will just go with the flow and see where it ends up in a few months. I am starting with a 1000 unit bankroll which should be more than enough considering I am going to be using strict guidelines for when to bet.
I will write everything down as I am playing each game and post it up with my bets. It should give a clear idea as to what I am doing.
cheers
the gr8players progression ? Who is this cat?
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on November 05, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
the gr8players progression ? Who is this cat?
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
He used to post on Gamblers glen up until about last year. He preferred cards to roulette but his 'gr8player' progression works really well on my street method.
ok, I played the first session at betvoyager and quit the game at 8 units ahead. I quit early so I could post up the session and run through it. Too many numbers may have made it confusing. This session consists of 24 spins.
8 = 3.
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25 = 9.
32 = 11.
6 = 2.
13 = 5.
20 = 7.
20 = 7. 1/4/10. WON.
29 = 10. 1/4/9. WON. (GROUP 1)
19 = 7. 1/4/8. LOST.
5 = 2. 1/4/8. WON. (GROUP 4)
7 = 3. 4/8/11. LOST.
10 = 4. 5/8/11. WON. (GROUP 4)
34 = 12. 5/10/11. WON.
2 = 1. 5/6/10. LOST. (GROUP 2) (MISSING GROUP 3)
34 = 12. 5/6/10. LOST. (BET ON 4,5,6,7,9,10) – 6.
8 = 3. 5/6/10. WON (GROUP 4) (BET ON 1,2,5,6,8,9,10) +5. (-1)
25 = 9. (3) 2/5/10. LOST. (BET ON 1,2,5,7,8,10,11) -7. (-8)
11 = 4. (7) 2/5/10. LOST. (GROUP 3) (MISSING GROUP 1) (BET ON 2,3,5,6,7,9,10) -7. (-15)
1 = 1. 2/5/10. LOST. (BET ON 1,4,7,8,9,12) +6. (-9)
34 = 12. (11) 2/5/10. LOST. (GROUP 3) (BET ON 1,3,6,8,9,12) +6. (-3)
26 = 9. (6,9) 2/5/10. WON. (BET ON 3,4,6,9,12) -5. (-8)
2 = 1. (4,5) 2/8/10. LOST. (GROUP 2) (BET ON 1,4,7,12) +8. (LEVEL)
2 = 1. (1,12) 2/8/10. LOST. (BET ON 1,4,7,12) +8. (+8) STOPPED GAME HERE.
34 = 12. (1,11,12) 2/8/10.
explanation to follow......
John ,
Thanks, I was wondering that you mentioned gr8player because I recall someone with that name as a baccarat
aficionado rather than a roulette player.
Check your PM for details.l
Thanks.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
If you are unfamiliar with the street method, go to page 5 of the blog. There are a few pages explaining everything in detail.
So moving on to the session I just played....
The first missing group was the '3' This consists of LOSS/LOSS. So I am guaranteed to see a WIN in at least one result of each subsequent pair should the '3' group remain missing. I prefer playing this situation over any other. Some of the winning runs are unbelievable.
So I lost the first bet and hit the second bet leaving me at -1.
Unfortunately the missing '3' group hit on the very next pair. This resulted in two further losses and now had me down to -15. I thought at this stage that I would be getting an early chance to show off the 'gr8player' progression, lol.
So now the missing group was '1'. This consists of WIN/WIN. So I am guaranteed to see a LOSS in at least one of the subsequent pair should the '1' group remain missing. 4 of the last 5 results had all being LOSS and so I was optomistic that it could be a run of LOSS forming. One advantage to this is the lower outlay for this particular bet. The average is about 5 chips a bet. So just a few wins more than losses can soon see you recoup if you are already down a few units.
Luckily the next group was a '3' giving me the two LOSS results that I was hoping for. It brought the total back to a more respectable looking -3. Now I was just hoping it could stay on par and maybe just hit one in each of the next few pairs and that would still be enough to take me into some kind of profit.
The next group out was '2' which gave me another 3 units taking me back to level and then I hit another LOSS on the first result of the next pair giving me 8 units and taking me into an 8 unit gain. I called it quits here.
The missing '1' group can give you some really nice profits if you keep hitting group '3'. This can make you between 12-16 units profit on each subsequent pair that it comes out. Even group '2' or '4' will more than likely see you coming out with a profit each time they appear. The 1 is the most likely group to appear at anytime but it can have spells where it goes missing for 10+ groups and the profits rack up.
Well, that is a brief summary of how the session panned out. I will continue to post up the results and write a brief report on how I tackled each session. It is a great method/strategy which can pay dividends if you work it using common sense.
10 = 4.
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27 = 9.
14 = 5.
7 = 3.
2 = 1.
22 = 8.
15 = 5.
10 = 4. 2/6/12. LOSS.
9 = 3. 2/6/12. WON. (GROUP 4)
36 = 12. 1/2/6. WON.
27 = 9. 1/2/7. WON. (GROUP 1)
28 = 10. 2/7/8. WON.
25 = 9. 5/7/8. WON. (GROUP 1)
20 = 7. 3/5/8. WON.
5 = 2. 5/8/12. WON. (GROUP 1)
25 = 9. 6/8/12. WON.
34 = 12. 1/8/11. LOSS. (GROUP 2) (MISSING GROUP 3)
26 = 9. 1/8/11. WON. (BET 1,4,5,8,10,11) +6. (+6)
13 = 5. 4/10/11. WON. (GROUP 1) (BET 1,3,4,9,10,11) +6. (+12)
7 = 3. 2/4/11. LOSS. (BET 2,4,5,7,11) -5. (+7)
16 = 6. 2/4/11. WON. (GROUP 4) (BET 1,2,4,5,8,10,11) +5. (+12)
4 = 2. 7/11/12. WON. (BET 1,2,7,8,9,11,12) +5. (+17)
25 = 9. 1/11/12. WON. (GROUP 1) (BET 1,4,5,8,9,10,11,12) +4. (+21)
2 = 1. 10/11/12. LOSS. (BET 1,6,7,10,11,12) -6. (+15)
22 = 8. (7,9) 10/11/12. WON. (GROUP 4) (BET 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) +4. (+19)
17 = 6. (6) 3/11/12. WON. (BET 3,5,6,8,9,11,12) +5. (+24)
13 = 5. (5,10,11) 2/3/12. WON. (GROUP 1) (BET 2,3,5,6,7,8,12) +5. (+29)
23 = 8. (1,3,8) 2/4/12.
This was a good session winning 29 units taking my total up to +37 after 2 sessions.
My favourite scenario of the missing '3' group appeared and it never came out for the remainder of the session.
Here is a breakdown of the 10 groups that did appear.
Group 1 = 6.
Group 2 = 1.
Group 3 = 0.
Group 4 = 3.
Any long string of group 1 and 4 or 1 and 2 will guarantee some good profits.
The pairs produced the following.
L/W.
W/W.
W/W.
W/W.
W/L.
W/W.
L/W.
W/W.
L/W.
W/W.
So there were some really dominant W streaks on the first and second results of the pairs. It pays to look out for these trends (and of course their opposite) I often just bet for one result to appear in the pair if it is completely dominant. It is not a bad idea just to look for the STRONGEST bet and follow it. You are only risking one bet to find out.
p.s. Just noticed myself that the W hit 9/10 in the second result of each pair. It is not uncommon for such trends to occur. One of the secrets of success is to be able to detatch yourself from the emotions of gambling and have a good overview of what is happening. You will be surprised what you see.
John,
Regarding your MARKING TEMPLATE+BETTING CHART on page 5 may I ask what is the logic in how the streets were selected? For instance if the last two spins were streets 5 & 4 your chart selects streets 4, 10, 11 as the marked streets, can you explain why streets 10 and 11 were selected? I am trying to understand the connection here. Also do you think this method is suitable for the double zero wheel?
Thanks,
Dennis
Hello Dennis,
I will try and give you an example.
Suppose streets 10,11 and 12 had not come out for a while and you were going to bet for that to continue. (also assume the current street showing is 6) Now normally you would bet the other 9 streets which would be 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9.
Using my approach would only see you betting streets 1,2,3,7,9. So that is only 5 streets compared to 9.
Also take into account that I have used my 'three column approach'. You will get long periods where matching sets of numbers dissapear in all three columns. Now when this happens, it makes sense to me to take advantage and only place the 5 chip bet instead of a 9 chip bet.
The bad runs as we all know is what kills a player even when you have loads of chips on the table. By using the type of 'analysis tool' that I have presented here can really help someone isolate cases where you can put down less and still go on some good winning streaks.
Of course the opposite of the above is when you are hoping to see one of your three streets appear. Once again, suppose you are betting this time for the 10,11 and 12 to appear. Ok, you are betting more than three chips (it can range from about 5-9) But the three streets will have dissapeared from ALL three columns for a number of spins. All my records show some amazing win streaks where they just keep hitting spin after spin.
It is important to point out that this is not so much a fixed mechanical bet but all the strategies incorporated into it gives you the ammunition to go after anything that you can see is working well at the time. It is the players job to look for it and take advantage from it.
This could be played on a double zero wheel and you would not need to change a thing. You would just ignore any 0 or 00 that appeared. (Thank god for betvoyager)
I hope that explains things a bit better. :thumbsup:
ps. I have tinkered about with ideas for years and I can honestly say I have not seen anything with the ability to go on sustained winning runs as this when that '3' group is missing.
Thank you!
no problem!
As an other example looking at the following screenshot.
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The 5 still has no hit. The 12 has only hit once and the 2 has only hit once.
The 2, 5 and 12 has not hit for 8 spins.
It is the up and down swings that catch people out in this game. I think my approach can give me a better insight of what's going on in a game and give me the chance to take advantage. (I always was a glass half full kind of guy :) )
Here is a slight variation. You can use the same MARKING TEMPLATE + BETTING CHART for this as you would for the street method.
You will need to look at the following picture.
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You will notice that the 6 and 12 streets have not appeared at all. Anyone reading my ramblings will know that the 12 street can go absent for very long periods of time using my three column approach. You can bet your bottom dollar that there is always another street that is absent along with the 12 for long periods of time.
Well the 6 + 12 are both absent in this picture. How can you take advantage of this situation?
Simple. The first number out in the picture is 5 belonging to street 2.
Go to the betting chart and find 2-1 through to 2-12. Look for all the combinations without a 6 or 12 in it.
You should come up with 1,2,3,47,9,10,11. (8 streets in total to bet)
The next number out was 2 belonging to street 1. WINNER + 4 units.
So now go to the betting chart and find 1-1 through to 1-12. Look for all the combinations without a 6 or 12 in it.
You should come up with 2,3,5,8,9,10,11. (7 streets to bet on)
The next number out was 26 belonging to street 9. WINNER. + 5 UNITS.
To cut a long story short, you end up +28 units on this run.
I have seen spells of 25+ spins where 2 numbers ( one of them is normally the 12) go missing.
What is the reasoning behind it? If you normally wanted to bet against 2 streets coming, it would cost you 10 units.
Playing this way costs you between 7-8. You will still got very LONG runs using the three column approach where 2 streets go missing. You can't play it if you can't see it.
If anyone would like the tracking software I use, give me a shout. It's free. It just gives you a visual aid to see what is happening and is easier than working it out and writing it all down.
This is just one of many variations but it is a much simpler way of playing than my 'full street method'.
I suppose some kind of progression could work pretty well with the variation mentioned in this post.
John,
In the above example you begin betting at spin number 2. There were several empty streets after only one spin so how did you select streets 6 & 12 rather than some of the other empty streets to play?
Dennis, that was just to show an example.
You could pick any one to go along with the 12 and start from there if you wanted to. Alternatively you could track and see which ones are underperforming. There will always be a few that are lagging behind. You won't go far wrong by including the 12 as one of the two missing streets you are looking for.
I think some kind of progression could work well with this.
cheers.
John,
These numbers spun up. 13, 9, 22, 32, 2, 6. The last number was my first bet that won but that left me with only 2 numbers to bet on and since I only had 8 numbers in brackets, what street do I add to make a total of 3 numbers?
ok Dennis, so I put the numbers that you gave me into the chart and it comes out like this....
So the 4, 7 and 12 streets are all missing at this point.
I am not quite sure what you are asking about! (are you talking about the full street method or the variation?)
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p.s. I corrected my mistake.
The full street method.
The 19 should be a 9.
Here is the MARKING TEMPLATE + BETTING CHART.
MARKING TEMPLATE+BETTING CHART.
1-1 = 1,12.
1-2 = 1,2.
1-3 = 2,3,4.
1-4 = 3,4,6.
1-5 = 4,5,8.
1-6 = 5,6,10.
1-7 = 6,7,11.
1-8 = 7,8,9.
1-9 = 7,8,9.
1-10 = 5,9,10.
1-11 = 3,10,11.
1-12 = 1,11,12.
2-1 = 1,10,11.
2-2 = 2,12.
2-3 = 1,2,3.
2-4 = 2,4.
2-5 = 3,5,6.
2-6 = 4,6,8.
2-7 = 5,7,9.
2-8 = 6,7,8.
2-9 = 5,7,9.
2-10 = 3,8,10.
2-11 = 1,9,11.
2-12 = 10,11,12.
3-1 = 1,8,10.
3-2 = 2,10,11.
3-3 = 3,12.
3-4 = 1,2,4.
3-5 = 2,4,5.
3-6 = 3,6.
3-7 = 4,7.
3-8 = 5,8.
3-9 = 3,6,9.
3-10 = 1,7,10.
3-11 = 8,11.
3-12 = 9,12.
4-1 = 1,6,9.
4-2 = 2,8,10.
4-3 = 3,10,11.
4-4 = 4,12.
4-5 = 1,2,5.
4-6 = 2,4,6.
4-7 = 3,5,7.
4-8 = 3,4,8.
4-9 = 1,5,9.
4-10 = 6,10,11.
4-11 = 7,9,11.
4-12 = 7,8,12.
5-1 = 1,4,8.
5-2 = 2,6,9.
5-3 = 3,8,10.
5-4 = 4,10,11.
5-5 = 5,12.
5-6 = 1,2,6.
5-7 = 2,3,7.
5-8 = 1,3,8.
5-9 = 4,9,11.
5-10 = 5,9,10.
5-11 = 6,7,11.
5-12 = 5,7,12.
6-1 = 1,2,7.
6-2 = 2,4,8.
6-3 = 3,6,9.
6-4 = 4,8,10.
6-5 = 5,10,11.
6-6 = 6,12.
6-7 = 1,7.
6-8 = 2,8,11.
6-9 = 3,9.
6-10 = 4,7,10.
6-11 = 5,11.
6-12 = 3,6,12.
7-1 = 1,6.
7-2 = 2,3,7.
7-3 = 3,5,8.
7-4 = 4,7,9.
7-5 = 5,9,10.
7-6 = 6,11.
7-7 = 7,12.
7-8 = 1,8,10.
7-9 = 2,8,9.
7-10 = 3,6,10.
7-11 = 4,11.
7-12 = 2,5,12.
8-1 = 1,3,5.
8-2 = 2,5,6.
8-3 = 3,7.
8-4 = 4,8,9.
8-5 = 5,9,11.
8-6 = 1,6,10.
8-7 = 2,7,11.
8-8 = 8,12.
8-9 = 1,9,10.
8-10 = 2,8,10.
8-11 = 3,6,11.
8-12 = 4,12.
9-1 = 1,4,5.
9-2 = 2,5,7.
9-3 = 3,6,9.
9-4 = 4,7,11.
9-5 = 1,5,8.
9-6 = 3,6,9.
9-7 = 4,7,10.
9-8 = 2,8,11.
9-9 = 9,12.
9-10 = 1,10.
9-11 = 2,8,11.
9-12 = 3,6,12.
10-1 = 1,3,7.
10-2 = 2,4,9.
10-3 = 3,5,11.
10-4 = 1,4,6.
10-5 = 3,5,7.
10-6 = 5,6,8.
10-7 = 6,7,9.
10-8 = 4,8,10.
10-9 = 2,9,11.
10-10 = 10,12.
10-11 = 1,10,11.
10-12 = 2,8,12.
11-1 = 1,2,9.
11-2 = 2,3,11.
11-3 = 1,3,4.
11-4 = 3,4,5.
11-5 = 5,6.
11-6 = 6,7.
11-7 = 7,8.
11-8 = 6,8,9.
11-9 = 4,9,10.
11-10 = 2,10,11.
11-11 = 11,12.
11-12 = 1,10,12.
12-1 = 1,11.
12-2 = 1,2.
12-3 = 3.
12-4 = 4,5.
12-5 = 5,7.
12-6 = 6,9.
12-7 = 7,10.
12-8 = 8.
12-9 = 6,9.
12-10 = 4,10.
12-11 = 2,11.
12-12 = 12.
So you could just play for the 4, 7 and 12 to remain missing if you wanted to. That would be betting streets 1, 3,5,10,11. (only 5 streets to bet) This would be a bit of a risky bet in my opinion. Playing for 2 missing streets is a much safer option.
How did I arrive at the bet on the 1,3,5,10,11 streets?
The current missing streets are 4, 7 and 12. The current number out is 6 belonging to street 2.
Go to the 2-1 through to the 2-12 and look for all combinations WITHOUT a 4, 7 and 12 in them.
You should come out with the 1,3,5,10,11 streets. This would then be your bet if you were looking for the 4, 7 and 12 streets to still be absent on the next spin.
For the full street version.
13 = 5.
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9 = 3. (10)
22 = 8. (5,8)
32 = 11. (3,6,11)
2 = 1. (9) 4/7/12. LOSS.
6 = 2. (1,2) 4/7/12.
Ok, this would be the markings so far for the full street method. We got to the stage where the 4/7/12 were the 3 missing streets. (I personally would not have bet anything here because I use the groups WW = 1. WL = 2. LL = 3. LW = 4 to give me some idea of what is actually happening) I wait for the first missing group before deciding what to do.
Dennis, you can never have just 8 numbers in the brackets. There should always be 9 and then there will be 3 missing streets.
Here is an explanation Dennis,
13 = 5.
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Then you would go.
13 = 5.
9 = 3. (3,8,10)
Then you would go.
13 = 5.
9 = 3. (3,8,10)
22 = 8. (5,8) So now you would erase the earlier 8 leaving you with the following.....
13 = 5.
9 = 3. (3,10)
22 = 8. (5,8)
Now you would go.
13 = 5.
9 = 3. (3,10)
22 = 8. (5,8)
32 = 11. (3,6,11) So now you would erase the earlier 3 leaving you with the following....
13 = 5.
9 = 3. (10)
22 = 8. (5,8)
32 = 11. (3,6,11)
Now you would go.
13 = 5.
9 = 3. (10)
22 = 8. (5,8)
32 = 11. (3,6,11)
2 = 1. (1,2,9) 4/7/12. So these are your three missing streets. (the 4, 7 and 12)
Now you would go.
13 = 5.
9 = 3. (10)
22 = 8. (5,8)
32 = 11. (3,6,11)
2 = 1. (1,2,9) 4/7/12.
6 = 2. (1,2) 4/7/12. So the 4/7/12 are still the three missing streets and you need to erase the previous 1 and 2 street in the brackets leaving you with the following....
13 = 5.
9 = 3. (10)
22 = 8. (5,8)
32 = 11. (3,6,11)
2 = 1. (9) 4/7/12. LOSS.
6 = 2. (1,2) 4/7/12.
I hope that clears things up.
John,
Yes that clears thing up, I see my error now! Thanks for the explanation.
Looking at different variations is interesting.
The full street method leaves 9 streets in the bracketed section and then has 3 sleeping streets.
Taking it down to 2 sleeping streets and leaving 10 streets in the bracketed section is another option.
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Marking the way I do means the current sleeping streets have already slept for quite a while throughout all three columns. Playing for just one of the 2 to appear is a cheaper way of doing it than looking for 3. Using the '4 group' methodology may be a way to catch some streaks for minimal outlay. Just a very quick test saw 5 out of 6 winning bets. Obviously the '3' group (LOSS/LOSS) would be the killer. It may pay its way if it was only attacked when the '3' group was the missing group. The chip outlay here seems to be an average of 5 chips looking for one of 2 sleepers to appear compared to an average of 7 chips looking for one of the 3 sleepers to appear. It is always another option.
An interesting option would be a 2 player team running 2 seperate games looking for the best opportunities. Kind of like a 'Parrondo's Paradox' situation. :)
So just to take the last 2 pics to their conclusion...
2 = 1.
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10 = 4.
7 = 3.
16 = 6.
12 = 4.
31 = 11.
5 = 2.
12 = 4.
26 = 9. 6/12. WON.
27 = 9. 6/8. WON. (GROUP 1)
35 = 12. 8/10. WON.
22 = 8. 7/10. LOSS. (GROUP 2)
2 = 1. 7/10. WON.
28 = 10. 7/11. WON. (GROUP 1)
7 = 3. 2/7. LOSS.
34 = 12. 2/7. LOSS. (GROUP 3) (MISSING GROUP 4)
17 = 6. (9) 2/7. WON.
4 = 2. 1/7. LOSS. (GROUP 2)
10 = 4. 1/7. LOSS.
30 = 10. 1/7. LOSS. (GROUP 3)
24 = 8. 1/7. LOSS.
32 = 11. (6,11) 1/7. LOSS. (GROUP 3)
12 = 4. (4,5) 1/7. LOSS.
6 = 2. (8,10) 1/7. WON. (GROUP 4) (MISSING GROUP 1)
9 = 3. (1,2,3) 7/12.
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You can see the 7 street has went completely AWOL. The 1/7 (and 12) streets went missing for ages.
The first 6 bets produced 5 out of 6 wins betting for the one of the missing 2 streets to appear.
The next 11 bets produced 2 out of 11 wins. This is why I like to use the '4 group methodology' It can certainly point a player in the right direction.
cheers.
Just ended my session today at betvoyager for a + 14 unit profit.
I will put up an explanation for it all later.
session 1. + 8 units.
session 2. + 29 units. (+ 37)
session 3. +14 units. ( +51)
28 = 10.
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1 = 1.
3 = 1.
27 = 9.
15 = 5.
13 = 5.
26 = 9. 2/6/10. LOSS.
2 = 1. 2/6/10. WON. (GROUP 4)
9 = 3. 6/7/10. WON.
26 = 9. 7/8/10. WON. (GROUP 1)
19 = 7. 8/11/12. WON.
19 = 7. 1/8/11. WON. (GROUP 1)
16 = 6. 1/5/8. LOSS.
17 = 6. 1/5/8. WON. (GROUP 4)
15 = 5. 1/2/8. LOSS.
25 = 9. 1/2/8. LOSS. (GROUP 3) (MISSING GROUP 2)
36 = 12. 1/2/8. LOSS. (BET 3,4,5,6,7,9,10,12) +4. (+4)
9 = 3. 1/2/8. LOSS. (GROUP 3) (NO BET)
8 = 3. 1/2/8. WON. (BET 3,6,7,9,12) -5. (-1)
12 = 4. 5/7/8. LOSS. (GROUP 2) (MISSING GROUP 1) (NO BET)
30 = 10. 5/7/8. WON. (NO BET)
19 = 7. 3/5/8. LOSS. (GROUP 2) (BET 1,4,6,7,11) +7. (+6)
19 = 7. (12) 3/5/8. WON. (NO BET)
26 = 9. (9) 1/3/5. LOSS. (GROUP 2) (BET 4,7,8,9,11) +7. (+13)
32 = 11. (8} 1/3/5. WON. (NO BET)
6 = 2. (3,11) 1/4/5. WON. (GROUP 1) (MISSING GROUP 4) (BET 2,8,10,12) -4. (+9)
11 = 4. (4) 1/5/10. WON. (BET 1,2,3,5,7,9,10) +5. (+14)
13 = 5. (1,2,5) 6/7/10.
So on to the explanation of the game I played today...
The 1 and 4 groups were hitting early and I was wondering if they were going to go on a long run before the first missing group appeared. This happens at times and it's frustrating but I always think patience pays off in the long run!
So eventually the 2 group became the first missing group.
group 2 = WIN/LOSS (The opposite = LOSS/WIN)
So with no group 2, I am looking to bet either a LOSS in the first result of the pair or a WIN in the second result of the pair (or both for that matter)
I like to look at the previous few results to see what's streaking. If I am looking for a LOSS in the first result of a pair and can see that the WIN has come up 2 consecutive times previously, I don't think it's a great time to be playing for the LOSS.
The LOSS had come up previously on the first result of the last pair and seeing as that's what I wanted, I had a bet.
So a good start and winning 4 units. No bet on the next spin because I was looking for a WIN and the previous result in the last pair for the second decision was a LOSS. I don't like playing against what's coming up.
So I am looking for a LOSS on the first result of the next pair and unfortunately it's a win. Lost 5 units taking me to -1.
I am still not playing for the WIN in the second result of the pair because I see the LOSS is building up a head of steam now.
The good news is there is a new missing group which happens to be the 1 group.
The 1 group = WIN/WIN. It's opposite is LOSS/LOSS. So if the 1 group stays missing, I can make a few units on some of the LOSS bets. These require less outlay as well.
You can see that I hit 2/3 playing for the LOSS on the second result of subsequent pairs before the missing 1 group finally appears.
The new missing group is the 4 group.
The 4 group = LOSS/WIN. It's opposite is WIN/LOSS. Now looking at the previous four pairs indicates there was a WIN in the first result of the pair 4 times. This is as strong an indicator as you are going to get I suppose. So it's a WIN bet on the first result of the pair and up she pops. I decide to quit here with my 14 pieces of silver and call up the local takeaway for a curry. ;D
I can never remember playing a game with this where at some point or another a good trend does not come along and make a few units profit. It's important not to second guess yourself and just look out for the strongest bet and play it. Like I always say, It only costs one bet to find out and who knows how long that run could carry on for. There are losses but that is a loss of one bet. Don't chase losing streaks looking for corrections. Look for the next strongest bet to appear.
These pictures are just to give you a rough idea of 2 games being played side by side.
Game 1 is playing with the three missing streets.
Game 2 is playing with the two missing streets.
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The groups in game 1 come out as 4, 3, 1, 2, 1. Two missing groups appear in that time making the game a bit choppy.
The groups in game 2 come out as 3, 4, 1, 4, 1. Only one missing group appears in this game and the stable 1 and 4 give some winning betting opportunities. The WIN appears 4 times out of 5 on the last result of the pair.
You would need a partner for playing this way in a B+M casino. It is a not a bad idea. I play several methods requiring a partner which tracks several games at the same time and looks for the prime betting opportunities.
I keep checking on ebay for old gambling books just to add to my collection.
I managed to get hold of a book by Roy Ward Dickson this morning called 'How to win at roulette and blackjack'
I have searched for it for years and it pops up now and then but is always too expensive. I was surprised when I saw it available for only £6 including the postage. I am pretty certain his 'hot number' theory has being tested to death and does not hold up in the long run but his blackjack strategy should be a good read.
Not to leave the girlfriend out......
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I hope she likes it. ;D
Jonh,
I don't know if i'm thicker than the rest but I reaaly don't understand a few things.
I tried to read and comprehend post #28. You give a selection of 9 different #s if I remember well. You give the corresponding data for each number. Fine. Then you say something like :''you see that 1 is present in every bracket''. Well we see this AFTER the numbers are spun. You then say ''we will bet on all 1s''. You give all the bets from the third spin on. On the third spin, we don't know that 1 is going to be in the bracket for the next little while. We know this in HINDSIGHT, not before.
What is the trigger for the first bet?
Also, you said in one of your first post that anytime you are in positive territory, the game is finished and you start a new one. In the example you give in post #28, you keep betting even if you are winning from the start.
Thanks.
Insider
Oh yes! Is what reply #16 accurate? If it is, it simplifies things quite a bit...
Insider
Hello Insider,
I wrote a few pages dedicated to explaining how I play the method you are asking about. There is a page called 'live sessions' which covers a few of my games and shows where I entered the game.
For anybody else interested, this method Insider is asking about is betting on the 'sixlines' and not to be confused the street method I have recently talked about.
The pages can be found @ roulettegold.weebly.com
cheers
@Insider,
Here is a 'sixline' game I played today at Dublinbet.
5
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2) 2,3,5 (1,4,6)
2) 2,6 (1,3,4,5)
3) 1,2,3 (4,5,6)
1) 1,2,4 (3,5,6)
6) 1,5,6 (2,3,4)
5) 2,5 (1,3,4,6)
5) 5,6 (1,2,3,4)
4) 2,4,5 (1,3,6)
6) 2,6 (1,3,4,5)
1) 1,5 (2,3,4,6)
6) 1,5,6 (2,3,4)
2) 1,2 (3,4,5,6)
2) 2,6 (1,3,4,5)
2) 2,6 (1,3,4,5)
6) 4,5,6 (1,2,3)
6) 6 (1,2,3,4,5)
3) 3 (1,2,4,5,6)
Here is the W/L sequence for this particular game.
1. WW LLL WWWW LLL WWWWW
2. LLLL W L W LL WW LLL WWW
3. L W L WWWWWWWWWWWWW L
4. WWW L WWW L WWWWWW L WW
5. L WWW LLLL W LL WWW L WW
6. W L WW L W L W L W L W LLLL W
Needless to say I cleaned up here on the 3. The beautiful thing about playing for the 3 is how they are mostly all even money bets.
I finally got around to doing some more testing with the idea that I presented on reply 176 of this blog.
I decided to use a progression which would take me into profit on any win. All the sessions were successful and did not fall behind by more than 100 units. I think the best way would be to quit after the first win and then start a new game. I will upload a picture which shows one of the games.
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I suppose the big question is why should this work?
The 'rule of the third' has always fascinated me. I always get drawn back to it when thinking about ideas. ;D
My three column approach conforms to this rule. All three columns will roughly have 12 sleepers left after a 37 spin cycle.
Further research tells me that roughly 8 out of the 12 of those sleepers will appear in all three columns over the next 37 spin cycle. So it is kind of like a marker rather than a blank canvas. At least there appears to be something to work with.
So it is not unreasonable to expect some of those 8 numbers that are going to appear in each column to repeat once or twice.
Some of the added features are that a double hit could occur over the three columns and produce a bigger payout. Of course you could elect to limit a number to a maximum bet of 1 chip even if it qualified on all three columns and this would reduce the outlay. Maybe that's not such a bad idea when using a progression and the name of the game is just to get in front and start a new game.
I like this idea. Tests are positive and drawdowns not huge which is normally a common feature for sleeper methods.
So taking a deeper look at the 'rule of the third'
Let's say you get 25/37 after the first 37 spin cycle. That leaves 12 sleepers (roughly 1/3)
Now the next 37 spin cycle will see 8 out of those 12 sleepers appear. That leaves 4 sleepers left out of the 12 (1/3)
This also means that roughly 16 or 17 numbers from the first cycle (25/37) will have to appear again as well to make up the new 25/37.
So the question is this.......
A guy just walking up to a wheel has no clue what's about to happen.
The second guy who just marked the first cycle of 37 spins knows that the second cycle should roughly show 16 or 17 numbers of the original 25/37.
Can this knowledge give him an edge in his ability to pick some winning numbers?
just the sort of quick game you would love to see in real-live play.
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LoL, talk about a quick game with some nice profit.
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Can't get much better than that.
p.s. Also the beauty of the three column approach because all the wins came out in the 2nd + 3rd column.
with the twelve sleepers. look for a unhit street or a corner say 1.2.4. the five has played
bets like that. only tryed a few but looks promising. good luck
Time to bring this back to life and update.
I don't play any of this stuff anymore. The street method explained in detail on the web pages was the main method I played. It did work well for the most part, however it was far too laborious even for me.
Luckily I had the good fortune of coming across what I consider to be an excellent roulette strategy. I was able to tweak it using a few of my 'spare parts' and reduce it from an even money bet to a street bet. I have since narrowed it down even further to backing just single numbers.
I did start a thread called the Z-score challenge but asked for it to be removed because I thought it was unwise to share information which was given to me in private by someone else. On reflection, I should have kept the thread going because I am not going to reveal the method and therefore was doing no real harm.
I am going to try and make it available in a similar way to how Victor proposed to run his 'tipping tool' service. I am working on that at the moment.
I regard what I am playing now as a winning roulette bet. The facts don't lie. I have tore up Dr Wilson's acid test several times over.
I have done a fair bit of testing at several of the live online casinos as well and tests are positive.
I will post some screenshots of several games I have played in recent days.
A quick game tonight playing streets.
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A game playing single numbers over several days.
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The single numbers game at Smartlive was an attempt to turn a £10 deposit into £100 which was successful.
The current Dublinbet challenge on the streets is an ongoing mission 8) The 5 euro deposit could go far!
Really nice Mr. JG!!!
thanks for sharing!
yeah, exciting times!!
The thing is that I am using these calculators which roughly tell you how likely your results are just down to chance.
A z-score of over 6.0 says the 'chance probability' is 0 or about one in infinity. Doing it once is maybe a fluke but doing it a few times kind of suggests that you are on the right track.
I kind of always knew that the biggest problem that a gambler faces is variance. Progressions are not the answer to deal with it as we all know. Now the less locations you bet should mean the higher swings in variance you are going to encounter. But a player who wants to win long term has to find a way to maximise his profit and you can't do that covering most of the wheel. A bias wheel player covering more than 9 numbers is a sloppy player in my opinion. Why give your edge away to the house. The same applies to what I am doing. No point covering 6-8 streets when you can get results covering 1-3. There is no security in 'gambling'. So don't fool yourself for example thinking betting 2 dozens using a long progression is a safe bet. The only safe bet is a winning bet.
cheers
Yeah, i agree with you.
Progressions are not the answer.. NEVER, the answer is: STOP :) but the question is. WHEN? ... to know this, we have to know what is the limit of our bankroll, study a lot our system, and know when it fails, and how many percetange of the time it wins, so we have to know, when we are in the limit of profitable bet, or not. sorry if my english not too good.
Regards mr JG
...update on the streets at dublinbet.
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Another success using Dr Wilson's acid test.
'If you think you have a winning system, if you are a skeptic,
if you think you have a system, do yourself the following favor.
Play your system on paper for a length of time sufficient to double
your bankroll several times. Double it _three times, so that you
have eight times what you started with. Don't settle for winning
20 percent or 50 percent of your bankroll, or even doubling it just
once. Double it three times. Give it the acid test. Get into the
long run with it. My definition of the long run for testing a
system is the length of time sufficient to double your investment
three times.'
Well it's not my fault I can do it in the time it takes to microwave a meal. ;D
Seriously though, I will have to name it 'Tetris Turbo'.
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So back to smartlive and chucked in another £10.
Played a mix of single numbers/splits/streets.
Set a target of £50 and achieved it pretty quickly.
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That's me finished online this week.
buy ins and profits.....
smartlive £10 win £100 profit = £90.
dublinbet £5 win £38 profit = £33.
smartlive £10 win £50 profit = £40.
Nothing too spectacular but nice steady wins for very little outlay and it did not take ages. 700% is better than my current account. :pleasantry:
I set a weekly target of 100 units online.
This is also my weekly goal at the B+M casinos I visit. I am enjoying the same results at my local casino as my online results. What with all my testing, live play, online play etc.... I am convinced that I have a long term winning roulette method. The low variance betting so few numbers/splits/streets is giving me huge z-score figures and we are not just talking about a few hundred spins anymore.
So what's it all about 'alfie'?
Well, I will say it again. You need to read up on Parrando's Paradox and take a look at the Monty Hall Problem. This creates a winning bet for the even chances at roulette. I then tinkered about with this using some of my own concepts and reduced the bet to streets/splits/single numbers. All I can say is it's dynamite. Take it or leave it, believe it or not. The bottom line is the game is beatable using methods other than a physical approach.
A few of you have asked and so I have pointed you in the right direction.
cheers.
really nice mr JG, you have to taught us!!!
Really interesting the spanish phisycian´s paradox... i will study it.
Thanks Mr JG
So a new week for Tetris Turbo!
Back to smartlive looking for at least another 100 units.
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I withdrew the £50 from last week and chucked in £10.
Day 1.
3 streets LOSS -3.
3 streets WON +9.
3 streets WON +9.
2 streets LOSS -2.
4 streets WON +8.
2 streets WON +10.
+31 units. It's Turbooooo charged!!! :dance1:
z-score +2.54
Really nice JG! and in real casino in live, you will win much more, so , are you living with roulette?
Regards
Hello revolver, Thank you for your kind words. :thumbsup:
There are many people who make a living from gambling. It is not so unusual.
There are advantages and disadvantages to both online and B+M casinos. It's important to feel relaxed and in control of your emotions wherever you decide to play.
regards
john
the only people i know who are making a living out of gambling are working in the casino. after 12 months tell me you are still in front. i know this statement will not win me any friends on this forum. good luck. one swallow does not make a summer.
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the only people I know who are making a living out of gambling are working in the casino. after 12 months tell me you are still in front. I know this statement will not win me any friends on this forum. good luck. one swallow does not make a summer.
pins, you are assuming an awful lot with that advice, but at least you try and keep people's feet on the ground.
There are people making a living in many different areas of gambling.
poker
fast pic boys on the exchanges etc....
I know several professionals who make a comfortable living from their chosen field.
Opportunity does not come knocking on your door. You have to be receptive to it. It's no accident someone learns to become a winner and the opposite is also true.
Good luck
john
Day 2.
Slightly different. I decided to put Tetris Turbo on the back burner and play the original method (tweaked slightly)given to me which is more of an even chance bet. It is slower than my 'turbo' concept but always turns out a profit.
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Made 19 units taking the profits after 2 sessions this week to +50.
The games played today were as follows...
5 streets. WIN. +7
4 streets. LOSS. -4 (+3)
5 streets. WIN. +7 (+10)
5 streets. LOSS. -5 (+5)
5 streets. WIN. +7 (+12)
5 streets. WIN. +7 (+19)
(CH said he always likes to stop on 2 wins :sarcastic: )
Will try and fit in a few games tomorrow and make the extra 50 units to make the 100 for the week.
cheers.
I was thinking of setting up the relay service again to pass on the bets for anybody that wants to play along.
I don't charge for it and it would be good fun if a few of you were interested. I normally fit in a session every night.
The only thing is that I may have to do it from somewhere like skype where I can relay the bets by voice as opposed to in the chatroom typing them out. I noticed before it was a bit hairy sometimes calling a bet and one of the players was just getting the bet down in time. I will look into it if enough people are interested.
I will keep it going this time. I actually fell out with the bloke who gave me the original method. He is not happy that I am talking about it. But I have tweaked his idea a fair bit using some of my own ideas and he is using them now himself. So I don't feel I am in the wrong if I can help a few others to win.
There is no rush to start. Give me a few days to find out what the available options are.
cheers.
I´m interested as allways. Count with me.
Regards.
Nice one revolver 8)
A few other members have also said they would be interested. So it's a runner.
I would imagine you can talk to more than one person at a time in skype. (kind of like a conference call)
I will look into that today and come back with the details. My skype addy is john.gold7771
cheers.
Just had a quick look and you can do a conference call with up to 25 people. So it's not going to be a problem.
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Just had a quick look and you can do a conference call with up to 25 people. So it's not going to be a problem.
Murphy's Law dictates that 26 people will sign up for it then !!!!
either way gl :good: :good: :good:
sent an invite on skype. .
David
we used to train with a soft called MIKOGO, it´s an interactive desktop that i can see what you´re doing in real time.
Regards
Hello guys, I will start on Monday.
21.00 GMT.
I will relay the bets through Skype. Anyone can setup a Skype account. It's free to join and Skype to Skype calls are also free.
There is no fees from my side for the service. Enjoy it and I hope I can make us all some extra money.
I will be looking to make 100 units profit a week. It's up to you what your unit is. The sessions don't last long as anyone reading my posts will be aware. A bank of 50 units for a session will be sufficient.
@revolver, I had a look at that MIKOGO, I may go for the free trial, it looks interesting.
Cheers David, I added you to my Skype contacts.
I will send everyone taking part a reminder on Sunday night just to let you all know the excact details.
There are a few different online casinos that I play at. So we will all need to agree where we are going to play.
Dublinbet and Smartlive would be my preferred choices.
There is still plenty of space for anybody interested. I don't think we will get anywhere near 25 players to begin with.
cheers.
i think the best site will be dublinbet, let´s vote.
Regards
Thanks John.
So i think the min bet on dublinbet is 0. 50euro so we gonna need roughly like 25euro?
Cause i see other times you started with like 5 euro and still made profit.
Hey guys, Dublinbet is fine by me. Also the evening time is better because you normally get a few players at the table which means they don't go on autopilot and spin like the clappers.
The 10 unit bankroll thing is just a challenge I set myself sometimes and look for the single street bets or single numbers. 50 units is the best way to go in my opinion.
Played at smartlive tonight and won 82 units. It took several hours and I was a playing a combination of streets and single numbers.
So I achieved my target of at least 100 units for the week. A penny has went missing from the balance. It is some kind of software glitch and has happened a couple of times over the last few weeks.
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So made that withdrawal and now I can rest up for monday. :)
When doing the relay service, I will concentrate on the streets. (The average is about 2 streets per bet)
That is the best way I have found to build up the profit and risk the least bankroll.
Hello guys,
Well everything is setup for tomorrow night. All you need to do is log into your Skype account tomorrow night (Monday) at 21.00 GMT time.
There are 8 players at the moment. Still room for a few more if anybody is interested.
I was trying to think of a good name for our group. I think the 'Moneyspinners' will do for now.
cheers.
I am going to start a seperate thread in the 'live roulette casinos' section titled 'The Moneyspinners Club'.
I will post the results up there.
Hello.
Well time for me to say adios,
Just let me say, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
So you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx of getting it either through relay or whatever. ROFLMAO.
But me and a 'few' others had a good laugh at your expense the last week. Especially all the threads opening up on different forums about Parrondo's Paradox.
So long.
Don't get angry or upset fellow roulette players. It seems that John Gold does not have a heart of gold but is rather cold.
Stay positive. Move on and if John has taught us anything it is to be cautious of people in the roulette world.
I wish everyone the best.
just admit the system does not work.
I do have a question. Is it only this method that is a FRAUD or the guy all together? I'm asking this for a particular reason. I'm off to the casino for a few hours, later !!
Ken
Just got home. I'm not sure how many of you read my posts. Anyways, I have said MANY MANY times, some of the members are not as they seem to be. Some with female names but are actually dudes. Some will ACT as though they are into methods etc. but in actuality, are anti-methods or are into AP (cough) etc. You can NOT go down the path with some of these people.
Sometimes its not even a trick to get money out of you, its just to f**k with your head and 'they' laugh their a** off while doing it. Norman Bates is one such example. Trust me, he is laughing everytime we post on his threads. There are around FIVE frauds on this board (IMO), not counting VLS2. Do I have proof of that? Nope but I can tell. I NEVER read other peoples method threads, I really dont need to (I do look for foul language etc. as a mod) I feel bad for the members that wasted their time with this, sorry guys!!
I get many PM's and emails from members (with like 7 posts) asking me to show them some decent methods. I answer none of them, sorry. Why? Alot (not all) of them are anti-method guys and want me to go on RECORD endorsing mine or someone elses method. After a while, they'll post telling how they lost the rent money and I'm the one to blame etc. (lol)
Ken
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I do have a question. Is it only this method that is a FRAUD or the guy all together? I'm asking this for a particular reason.
Ken
The guy is not to be trusted, and believe me, I know this from personal experience (I won't go into the details). Remember "johhnyg" from GG back when it was active a couple of years ago? It's the same guy, he got the reputation of being a scammer back then (search the archives). He's posted quite a few systems over the years, but they all have a similar pattern to them, he's also started up a couple of blogs, but never keeps the same name very long. At the moment he's "flukey luke" on the cc forum.
Not saying he's all bad - he has contributed a lot in terms of systems and ideas, just don't get too close to him. IMO he's pathological.
Listen guys, if someone here (not everyone!) said they had eggs and bacon for breakfast, just assume they are lying.
Sucks that its like that but oh well.
Ken
@amk >> You kind of chimed in with John's thread. I assume you'll be sticking around on the board for months to come? Giving advice, asking questions, showing an interest in the board etc.?
Ken
Hey Mr J,
Last week I read John Golds Blog and found it interesting. Had been in pm contact with him and seemed like a nice person. I heard about his skype relay but did not join. I did not have time and wanted to see how things went. Then he did a 180 on everybody and in my opinion just put out a real negative energy. I felt I should keep the community in good spirits and felt I should post. Just random timing I guess :)
Concerning the weeks and months ahead I go with the flow. "Luck" brings me to interesting threads and posts and fortunately some humor threads to (thanks for that Mr J). I will always post if I feel I need to. There are many great and kind hearted players out there and will always follow them. After a good year of studying roulette I have a little knowledge and will always try to help a beginning player. I feel I have an obligation to do so since many knowledgeable players helped me when I first started out.
Alright Mr J, catch you later.
I think here I should assist amk a little.
I was one of the fools that take part on JGs sessions. At least the first session I took part.
Did I expect to be told the holy grail? Surely not. But I found the threads of JG really interesting, so I wanted to see how he will play in real play. He told me before the session that he don´t give hints why he will place a bet the way he does. Anyhow I took part at the session. Just curious.
The next session I missed. Idiot as I am I even appologized for missing the session.
And then I had to read this poor statement of JG. I was very angry. I try to help people if I can. Otherwise I keep my mouth shut. It would be an absolute no go for me to fool other people in such a way.
And here amk comes into place. We´re in contact since a few weeks, discussing different suggestions. We also spoke about JGs method, and so I mailed him a hint to JGs post as I couldn´t believe that someone can be so "destructive".
Meanwhile I calmed down. Now I think, "JG would rather pi$$ at his mothers shoes as showing someone the HG?" I would never doe that. For me, my mother is more holy than any holy grail. So I regret JG now and I tend to believe what Bayes thinks: he´s pathologic.
So, I also don´t know amk in real life, but I really think he is "a good one".
Just my two cents.
What Madmax says is right. He told me I should read JG last post and it turned out I could be the first to post. I think this incident has shook us a little but I do not think that it should get the better of us. The majority of people on the forums just have good intentions. Hopefully JG is 1 in a million, or a couple of thousand :)
I don't think we need to compliment/discredit each other, JG probably got real upset with his group effort when it kept losing, I didn't read much of the thread, just skimmed it, there was a couple of negatives, don't think I saw a plus sign anywhere, I didn't join his group as I think when someone says join me on skype to see what I can do, its a flag to avoid that person.
I have dealt with many many members, here and on Steves other forum, many know me, how I operate etc, not had any complaints yet!!
BUT I have a complaint, you will all be suprised (maybe not) at how many members contact me for testing bots or fully functional bots, and they have no intention of having one built UNLESS my time is FREE, so to all those free loaders please don't bother contacting me, my motto is, if YOU say your method will make you and me rich, then pay a small token for my work, many have before you and many will after you, so don't waste my time, thanks all.
If I pay, can I join you on skype and watch you code the bot? :haha:
I give John credit for one thing. Most of the loons that cause trouble on the board, dont make it past 18 posts. John went up to 432 posts, messing with everybody. What a real shame.......and for what? A good laugh? Whatever floats your boat I guess. Who has extra time like that, not me.
Ken
i think he was genuine. but when the system lost .he lost it.
QuoteIf I pay, can I join you on skype and watch you code the bot?
Sure can, £500 per session, sound good?
If anyone would have DARED to suggest that John Gold`s system was a flim flam that person would have been accused of spreading negativity. Now the lemmings have disappeared.
It was obvious to me that his shuffling around numbers/streets/double streets was of no value for future spins. Surprised me that nobody caught on. I don`t blame him having had the last laugh pulling the wool over the eyes of some of the "FREE SYSTEM " chasers.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
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If anyone would have DARED to suggest that John Gold`s system was a flim flam that person would have been accused of spreading negativity. Now the lemmings have disappeared.
It was obvious to me that his shuffling around numbers/streets/double streets was of no value for future spins. Surprised me that nobody caught on. I don`t blame him having had the last laugh pulling the wool over the eyes of some of the "FREE SYSTEM " chasers.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
Ok, thanks for the negativity ND. Put the boot in mate. :thumbsup:
Cats like HIM never act alone. His " sidekick in arms " whom I shall refrain from mentioning has also ceased to
post .
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
I joined John's session and didn't play with real money. I just feel bad for "Raymond" who lost his money after 3 losing sessions. He probably has something and was genuine to start with. Otherwise, he's insane for investing so much time and effort into this forum.
Yep, I think he's got mental problems.
I think that he is tilted and lost all his money, just become crazy, cause he lost his money... i don´t blame him, just cry for for him...
Regards