I'm not lying, open up your minds people. Because, I'm certain I've finally created one.
Here are some few tips to create the best system possible:
1)The hit rate
how often would you win? The higher the hit rate the better. For example flat betting a one single lone number isn't going to do much good as a number can sleep for 600+ spins.
2)Curb potential to lose it all
For example martingale which easily has the potential to lose it all, almost a certainty in the long run. Progressions are alright, but must be kept short with stop loss, and use a mild progression.
3)Prepare for rare events
Doubling up, such as martingale or other systems that does not prepare for the rare event would be a 100% fail if played in the long run. Have a system that even when "rare events" happen, would not lose, or lose too much.
4)Practicality
A system might grind and win 10 units consistently but only after every few hundred spins. Then such a system is not practical for real use.
5)Use repeaters
The holy grail lies within repeaters, roulette numbers are bound to repeat,and repeat more often then not, the thing now is to find a system that is not super aggressive to such that you would lose quickly but enough to contain the normal occurrence of a few repeaters here and there but make a stop loss when a "rare event" of a repeater not coming up happens.
Anyway, research and research, do not give up, the answers to build a holy grail already lies within the board. A holy grail does not win 100% of the time, but wins more then losses.
Good luck to you guys, I've finally found the answer and now I hope you guys do.
I'm not lying, open up your minds people. Because, I'm certain I've finally created one.
No U haven t...U just think that u have.
Here are some few tips to create the best system possible:
We all know these tips and they aren t working.
1)The hit rate
how often would you win? The higher the hit rate the better. For example flat betting a one single lone number isn't going to do much good as a number can sleep for 600+ spins.
Dozens .Colums and the ECs can also sleep quite enough to make u lose nomatter what u are doing
2)Curb potential to lose it all
For example martingale which easily has the potential to lose it all, almost a certainty in the long run. Progressions are alright, but must be kept short with stop loss, and use a mild progression.
Mild progressions are same as the martignale...both lose
3)Prepare for rare events
Doubling up, such as martingale or other systems that does not prepare for the rare event would be a 100% fail if played in the long run. Have a system that even when "rare events" happen, would not lose, or lose too much.
There are no rare events...all the events are equal
4)Practicality
A system might grind and win 10 units consistently but only after every few hundred spins. Then such a system is not practical for real use.
If a system could make 10 chips in 100 spins it would be the BEST!But even this can t happen.
5)Use repeaters
The holy grail lies within repeaters, roulette numbers are bound to repeat,and repeat more often then not, the thing now is to find a system that is not super aggressive to such that you would lose quickly but enough to contain the normal occurrence of a few repeaters here and there but make a stop loss when a "rare event" of a repeater not coming up happens.
U can never know what is going to repeat or no to repeat.
Anyway, research and research, do not give up, the answers to build a holy grail already lies within the board. A holy grail does not win 100% of the time, but wins more then losses.
There are no holy grails.
Good luck to you guys, I've finally found the answer and now I hope you guys do.
No U haven t found any answer...
U need to study Roulette more to find out that nothing can win.
Exept VB and bias.
.......vb, bias and Spin-geek
Why do you feel that a game with such complexity can't be beat? Let me ask you, according to maths do you 100% believe EVERY negative expectation game produces negative profit in the long run?
Y E S
Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 12, 2010, 08:19:40 AM
Y E S
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrondo's_paradox (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrondo's_paradox)
I just proved you wrong, read up on this.
Of course this does not apply to Roulette, but there are ways to win it just haven't been found or is obscured. Like before how the parrondo's paradox is discovered every guy like you would believe all negative expectation games would ALWAYS lead to negative value, but this Parrando's paradox proves you wrong.
Its like how pit bosses were stumped when edward thorp was constantly winning in blackjack. They can't in their mind think how is it possible to win because their mind was closed to the possibility that blackjack can be won that they were 100% convinced he was cheating when technically he was not
U are so silly!
I already told u that the only way to win is gain advantage with phisics in Roulette(VB-BIAS)
Thorp he used the advantage of the card counting in BJ and this is why he was winning.
Learn to read 1st.
Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 12, 2010, 08:35:30 AM
U are so silly!
I already told u that the only way to win is gain advantage with phisics in Roulette(VB-BIAS)
Thorp he used the advantage of the card counting in BJ and this is why he was winning.
Learn to read 1st.
you are the silly one. I just proved you wrong that not ALL negative expectation games leads to losing. See the wiki link.
this wiki has nothing to do with E. Thorp.
U are copnfusing the apples with the oranges.
The way I always look at it is like this.
Most gamblers have bigger egos than most people. So if they can't find a winning system, then it does not exist.
I have NEVER read anywhere on a gambling board someone say "well guys, I can't find it, but good luck to the guys who have found it and I hope you win loads" lol.
You will only ever find "there is no winning bet" It is very predictable and also very boring but who likes to admit they have failed.
Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 12, 2010, 08:40:54 AM
this wiki has nothing to do with E. Thorp.
U are copnfusing the apples with the oranges.
forget about e.thorp. Im just saying you believed every negative expectation game would lead to negative value in long term but parrando's paradox proved you wrong. So your statement of saying "yes" was wrong.
No it wasn t.
Roulette exists more than 400 years in Casinos.
Even Albert told that Roulette can t been beaten.
IF u knew who Albert was U wouldn t dare to search for a way to win.
Go and study what he descovered and how he changed the word and then maybe u will underatand.
And keep in mind that he wasn t the only one that said it...
It was all the great mathimatisians and statisticians of the world.
The BEST proof and Best example that Roulette can t been beaten is that as U can t find a system to win more than it loses ...U can t also find a system that lose more than the expected -2.7!!!
So if u understood my little unexpirienced friend there are NO good or bad systems.
There are NO good and bad selections
ALL ARE SAME!!! -2.7
Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 12, 2010, 08:45:37 AM
No it wasn t.
Roulette exists more than 400 years in Casinos.
Even Albert told that Roulette can t been beaten.
IF u knew who Albert was U wouldn t dare to search for a way to win.
Go and study what he descovered and how he changed the word and then maybe u will underatand.
And keep in mind that he wasn t the only one that said it...
It was all the great mathimatisians and statisticians of the world.
You are being silly. What does Einstein know about Roulette? The ones that play Roulette are the ones that know roulette.
Anyway if you knew Einstein he always said imagination is more important than knowledge. Before he came up with the theory of relativity, who would have believe time dilation is possible and travelling to the future (even if its just milliseconds) is an undeniable feat that can be done?
Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 12, 2010, 08:49:13 AM
The BEST proof and Best example that Roulette can t been beaten is that as U can t find a system to win more than it loses ...U can t also find a system that lose more than the expected -2.7!!!
So if u understood my little unexpirienced friend there are NO good or bad systems.
There are NO good and bad selections
ALL ARE SAME!!! -2.7
I already found a system that wins more then losses. Your point?
yes yes... :lol:
is it in pofit after 5.000 placed bets?
Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 12, 2010, 09:00:47 AM
yes yes... :lol:
is it in pofit after 5.000 placed bets?
So after 5000 placed bets the system is a winner? I can tell you it is easily done.
And why are you so silly to sidestep my response that you were wrong by saying all negative expectation games lead to negative value? I just proved to you Parrando's Paradox shows that it can be won in long term. You are stubborn even with proof in your eyes.
Look at our previous conversation below. Just because you didn't know something exist (parrando's paradox), doesn't mean you conventional thinking is correct 100% all the time. Same as Roulette, because you don't know a winning system exist doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I even purposely phrased the question to include "ALL negative expectation games" and "do you believe 100%".
both of which you answered yes, but I have undeniably proven you wrong.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Me:
Why do you feel that a game with such complexity can't be beat? Let me ask you, according to maths do you 100% believe EVERY negative expectation game produces negative profit in the long run?
Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 12, 2010, 06:19:40 AM
Y E S
Me:
nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrondo's_paradox (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parrondo's_paradox)
I just proved you wrong, read up on this.
Of course this does not apply to Roulette, but there are ways to win it just haven't been found or is obscured. Like before how the parrondo's paradox is discovered every guy like you would believe all negative expectation games would ALWAYS lead to negative value, but this Parrando's paradox proves you wrong.
Its like how pit bosses were stumped when edward thorp was constantly winning in blackjack. They can't in their mind think how is it possible to win because their mind was closed to the possibility that blackjack can be won that they were 100% convinced he was cheating when technically he was not
I laugh when people mention that Einstein said you can't beat roulette.
Tony Blair got told that Saddam had WMD. He sent a country to war.
My point is that it seems apparent that some people are very easily convinced and will believe what most people tell them without thinking things through for themself. Could you imagine if everyone was like this. What sort of state would we all be in. Everything that is created started of as an idea in someones mind and was then brought to life.
People who say you can't do this and you can't do that live in a very blinkered world and will likely never discover anything truly great. People need to think for themself and ignore the negative people. Don't accept other peoples failure as proof that you cannot achieve the "so-called" impossible.
well said elmo
Showing arount the parrando's paradox Doen t prove anything!
Its only U that say that u showed proof. ;D
Quote from: Jean-Claud on July 12, 2010, 09:30:08 AM
Showing arount the parrando's paradox Doen t prove anything!
Its only U that say that u showed proof. ;D
I just showed you that what you said previously was incorrect about believing all negative value games cannot be won in long term. Do you agree on that part?
Parrondo's paradox isn't quite what it seems. Unlike casino games, there has to be a winning game (at least some of the time) for the 'paradox' to work:
QuoteThe catch here is that, in order for the paradox to occur, all three games A, B1, and B2 can't be losing. A typical assignment of probabilities would be p = .495, p1 = .095, and p2 = .745, which makes B2 a winning game. For M = 2 or 3, B still comes out a losing game, although it is winning for M > 3.
Source (nolinks://nolinks.maa.org/editorial/knot/parrondo.html).
Quote from: elmo on July 12, 2010, 09:14:42 AM
People who say you can't do this and you can't do that live in a very blinkered world and will likely never discover anything truly great. People need to think for themself and ignore the negative people. Don't accept other peoples failure as proof that you cannot achieve the "so-called" impossible.
I agree that people need to think for themselves, and this is what they don't do in regards to looking for a winning method. There
are ways to win, but if you're thinking clearly it's hard to come up with any good reason why you can do better than expectation without taking into account the initial conditions of the system (ball and wheel).
In any case, thinking isn't enough, you need to put your theories to the test. If after having tried various methods which failed, and knowing that many others have tried and failed for hundreds of years, and knowing that what you're attempting is logically and mathematically flawed, then it seems unreasonable to call someone 'negative' if they assert that such a winning method doesn't exist.
I'm not saying that roulette can't be beaten, only that you can't do better than expectation in terms of wins vs losses without using AP methods. If you only care about making money, then smart money-management can take you long way.
d >>knowing that many others have tried and failed for hundreds of years, and knowing that what you're attempting is logically and mathematically flawed, then it seems unreasonable to call someone 'negative'>>>
You tell em, Bayes. Quote that scripture chapter and verse, and cross yourself when you're done like a good little religious zealot.. LOL
Quote from: Spike! on July 13, 2010, 05:29:56 AM
You tell em, Bayes. Quote that scripture chapter and verse, and cross yourself when you're done like a good little religious zealot.. LOL
um.. there is plenty of evidence for what I claim, NONE for what you claim. I think that makes YOU the zealot. :haha:
"there is plenty of evidence for what I claim" >>> ? lol. For what you claim? Any 'evidence' that you actually win or any of the other cronies winning? Ken
Maybe 'claim' was the wrong word. What I meant was, the only 'evidence' Spike has for his claim is his word, nothing else.
As to AP, I don't make any SPECIFIC claims in that dept. only that the laws of physics tell you where the ball will land, not past spins <snigger>.
Quote"there is plenty of evidence for what I claim" >>> ? lol. For what you claim? Any 'evidence' that you actually win or any of the other cronies winning? Ken
Welcome to The Theater of The Absurd. :)
No no no, lets try again. Where is *YOUR* evidence, that you are making a killing playing your way? Ken
Notice the women at my table are considerably hotter than your $25 ugly Anime avatar woman. This is prove that I'm winning far more money than you are at the wheel.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thebigzeal.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F07%2Froulette.jpg&hash=4da8f55cf05f552b70ae329f3984283c86912fe7)
Thats not 'evidence'. Would it hold up in court? So for the SECOND time.....what is your evidence besides a LINK. lol Ken
I was reading what somebody wrote on a forum a few years ago and it captured my attention.
Here it is.....
Creative gamblers always (without being academics) have by playing the game (which is always the most important of any theory: empirical result), found ways to assimilate all the information (probabilitytheory, stats, whatever) into a strategy that works although mathematicians would disagree that it would work.
It shows clearly the discrepency between purely analytic research (which always refer to 'a negative expectancy game can not be beaten)
and empirical research (playing).
The pure academics keep on referring to 'negative expentacy' which is ALWAYS with any casino game the problem, never the less it's staggering in the gambling venues I visit that there is a great amount of difference with players that come in and leave half an hour later broke, or regular even daily players which are doing pretty good playing negative expentency games -none of them ever play slots by the way: only BJ and Roulette.
Although they all have some sort of base system they stick to, they do not play mechanically. They always seam to adjust there strategy according to the situation, and I'm sure the applied strategy is a very complex meltingpot of probability, statistics what all has turned into intuition (but of course the academic would simply dismiss the last as 'gamblers fellacy').
Not all of there bets turn out right, but in the end there amount of wins exceeds the losses. Never the less the 'negative expectancy' applies for both groups: the constant loosers and the regular winners. Could we state that the last group only had constantly more luck than the other group?
........... Long term winners need more than luck, not only have they found a way to beat the game but they have also found a way to beat the casino. The latter can be much harder than the former IMO.
Mr. J,
Where is your proof?
I have no proof (thats called answering a question). You showed HOW you play, I'm not asking for that. For the THIRD time, what/where is your EVIDENCE that you are doing VERY WELL playing however you play? Dont explain to all of us YOUR STYLE (AP, whatever) of play, we got that part already. So far, we have....
A) A cool pic with a couple females
B) A link
PS >> Where is my good buddy Davey Jones? lol Ken
PS >> I see you changed your post. lol Ken
"Where is my good buddy Davey Jones?"
He has joined a more advanced level of roulette discussion.
Very informative I might add. I typed "progressions" in the search engine and to my surprise nothing came up. Fancy that!
Ummm, ok. I mean, I wasn't sure if he quit the board entirely? :sarcastic: Ken
After having consulted with The Consortium of Wise Men, we have determined that it's not possible for you to win in the long run, since you're not an AP player.
Furthermore,
1. You're not very bright
2. You clearly are not a mathboy
3. You lack experience
4. You have poor taste in women.
5. And you have no sense of humor.
"By the way, what happened to your other ID, KJ Smooth?" >>> I dont get it? You mean at GG? So for the FOURTH time Herb/Snowman, will you be posting EVIDENCE that you are doing VERY WELL as an AP (call it what you will)? When can we expect that PROOF? It does not have to be this very minute but WHEN can WE ALL expect to see it? Ken
This was AGAIN added in later >> Furthermore,
1. You're not very bright
2. You clearly are not a mathboy
3. You lack experience
4. You have poor taste in women.
"By the way, what happened to your other ID, KJ Smooth?" >>> I dont get it? You mean at GG? So for the FIFTH time Herb/Snowman, will you be posting EVIDENCE that you are doing VERY WELL as an AP (call it what you will)? When can we expect that PROOF? It does not have to be this very minute but WHEN can WE ALL expect to see it? Ken ((Is there a REASON some dont answer questions? lol ))
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thebigzeal.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F07%2Froulette.jpg&hash=4da8f55cf05f552b70ae329f3984283c86912fe7)
Talk about prove, Here you go:
1. Notice how hot the women are.
2. The one on the left is whispering, "Wow, he's hot and he clearly wins more than Ken does!"
3. The girl on the right is whispering, "I can't wait to get the two of you on my right back to the room!"
As a member of The Consortium of Wise Men, it is generally accepted that my style of play (being an AP player)is prove enough that I will win money in the long run and that you won't. Furthermore, Anime chicks are NOT hot and if you find them hot, then you are most likely a child molester. :)
-Herb6
@Herb/Snowman >> Sooo, funny jokes take the place of EVIDENCE? :sarcastic: I answered you, any chance you might answer me? You took the cowards road, show ALL OF US the proof and the subject is dropped. I just got an email, I did not know DJ is permantely gone, I had no idea. Ken
"my style of play (being an AP player) is prove enough that I will win money in the long run" >>> "WILL WIN" means in the future (which I still would not agree). I'm not asking about the future. As of *NOW*, today, where is your EVIDENCE of doing VERY WELL as an AP? Ken
They always seam to adjust there strategy according to the situation, and I'm sure the applied strategy is a very complex melting pot of probability, statistics what all has turned into intuition>>
Gee, that describes exactly what I do. And according to the MathBigots, they said I was the only one. They're wrong again, big surprise.
Spike in tha hizzo. Herb is no big challenge. Ken
I have a great idea,
What do you say the three of us meet up in LV or AC and have a rumble? :)
You guys can prove that you can win in person (cough).
(Just to make it even more exciting, I'll see if Davey Jones wants to come along, and I'll grub stake him as well.)
Welcome to The Theater of The Absurd.
Herb why are u bothered with these ppl?
They don t know even how a wheel looks like.
Just having some fun with the absurd. :)
Be careful of asking others for PROOF, you dont even follow your own rules. lol Walk it like you talk it acorn. Still waiting for that EVIDENCE Herb. When can we expect to see it? (talk your way out of this one, I cant wait) Ken
What do you say the three of us meet up in LV>>>
Lets not and say we did. There's nothing in it for me..
They don t know even how a wheel looks like.>>>
Its Jean-Claud, who never contributes anything except smart assed remarks. Now theres a roulette authority. LOL!
" Consortorium of wise men "-----------My foot
Hey Jean-Claud, there is an old saying that if you don't know who the dummy is at the table, then it's you.
Now the way I figure it is like this. You seem to be the only one that has not worked out how to stick a pic up yet.
Go figure!
Yes and I see Ur own pic.
It really reflexes ur type of person....hahahahah! :lol:
Mr. J,
It's your chance to prove you can win and that you're a better player than me.
Which place works best for you? AC or LV?
Spike,
You can bring Patti so that you have some money. :)
Nathan,
You can come too. Show off your latest JP up and pull system.
G'day,
Quote from: elmo on July 13, 2010, 05:42:54 PM
You seem to be the only one that has not worked out how to stick a pic up yet.
I haven't yet either, but unlike (most likely) Jean-Claud , I win every session I play at the casino OR club!!
Glenn.
Glen,
Spike and Mr J. also win every session. Just like you do. ;)
You can bring Patti so that you have some money.>>>
I don't know what that means. But its nice to see you have no arguments left and have resorted to meaningless statements. Had to come to this eventually..
My chance? lol Oh my God, let me call the airlines, I'll get back to ya! I'll let you off easy Snowman. For the RECORD, do you REFUSE to answer my question? If correct, I'll jot that down and drop it but EVERYONE will know the coward you are.....asking others something and YOU, will not answer the SAME question. Also, you never answered my other question regarding 'kj smooth' at GG. Still WAITING on that. Ken
Ken,
As a member of The Consortium of Wise Men, I am above reproach. :)
(ADDED IN from Herb) >>> Nathan,
You can come too. Show off your latest JP up and pull system.
"As a member of The Consortium of Wise Men, I am above reproach" >>> You are a member of the wannabee winners club, at best. So AGAIN, Herb/Snowman REFUSES to answer a very SIMPLE question. Hmmm, I wonder why? :girl_wacko: To be serious, if you tell me 'your crew' gave yourself the name of Consortium of Wise Men, I'm gonna lose it. I have at least 20 jokes lined up for that. Dont do it Herb, bite your tongue buddy. Just curious, who are the Wise Men here? (OMG, here it comes Ken, get ready) :sarcastic: :swoon:
Oh my God, let me call the airlines, I'll get back to ya!>>
Herb would never show up, Ken. The last thing he wants is to be proven wrong to his face..
"Mr J. also win every session" >>> When did I ever say that Herb? We are now up to THREE questions Herb/Snowman REFUSES to answer. Ken
Spike,
Ask Patti if you can come as well. If you want you can ride your bike out and I'll find you a smoke free casino. :sarcastic:
G'day Herb6,
Quote from: Herb6 on July 13, 2010, 05:49:25 PM
Spike and Mr J. also win every session. Just like you do. ;)
LIAR, Ken has CLEARLY stated that he has losing sessions,
that OVERALL he is a long way ahead!
It's funny, you along with a few other (like/weak minded people)
either misquote or miss statements made by Spike about his playing methods!
As for my situation, let's realise I use a personal computer at the table (NOT VB),
to work out my progressive mechanical system, utilising a 1 to 500 min to max!
Glenn.
Yes everyone here are winning every session...lol
Ok, but who at THIS SITE are in the society of Consortium of Wise Men? Is it all AP guys? Is it a secret group, is my life in danger? :laugh: "What am I supposed to do, photograph a pile of chips or cash?" >>> Nope, thats not PROOF those are your chips and you could of borrowed the money to play. So, where is your EVIDENCE that you are doing VERY WELL as an AP? Ken
Ken,
You'll just have to explain what proof you'd like to see.
Again, as a memeber of The Consortium of Wise Men, I am beyond reproach. :)
Ask Patti if you can come as well. If you want you can ride your bike out>>>
Whatever, Herbie, lay off the dope smoking, you're sounding like a dope. This conversation is stupid.
So I can pretty much scratch this off the list as well? >> who at THIS SITE are in the society of Consortium of Wise Men? Is it all AP guys? Is it a secret group, is my life in danger?
G'day,
Actually I believe I am a 'Mathboy", because my mechanical system when explained,
clearly shows through 'maths' why it won't fail, based on the 'rules' of roulette!!
As I've explained previously, that's how come it got devised.
Its passed the 1 million PLACED spin test!
Glenn.
No it didn't. You obviously made a mistake while doing the arithmetic. As I recall, you're not a mathboy. :sarcastic:
"You'll just have to explain what prove you'd like to see" >>> Use your head acorn. Lets examine what EVIDENCE is NOT.....a pic of cash, a pic of two females, a link etc. Check out the definitions of proof and evidence. I already answered you many posts ago, we are ALL STILL WAITING on you Herb. Ken
Well, Ken, explain what you'd like to see as proof and then perhaps I'll consider your request.
G'day,
Quote from: Herb6 on July 13, 2010, 06:11:01 PM
I take it that you're NOT a mathboy either. I don't know why you can't do that arithmetic without a calculator when you're at the table. Why don't you just memorize the progression?
This is the point, it's not like anything I've ever seen refered to on a forum, (either BS or MM).
That is why I understand Spike's point of view when he says it will fail,
but that is like saying a NORMAL table with 4 legs that's been standing
for 5 years is going to colapse for no reason!!
Glenn.
explain what you'd like to see as prove>>
Thats 3 times now you've used the word 'prove' instead of 'proof'. You do know the difference, don't you?
I'm asking YOU to show us here, EVERYTHING you feel is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. Its not what I am asking for...its what YOU CAN SHOW us. So again, we have on your list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
Proof:
1. The chicks I posted were much hotter than your Anime girl. (Seriously, your avatar gives me the creeps. She looks like a little girl with tits. I sure hope you're not a child molester)
2. I am a member of The Consortium of Wise Men. (Secret AP club)
3. I am a Snowman, and EVERYONE LOVES AND TRUSTS A SNOWMAN.
If this isn't good enough then you need to explain exactly what you would consider to be proof.
I think the point Ken is trying to make is that he KNOWS he goes to the casino and makes money. Yet the MathBoyz constantly say he doesn't, without offering any proof that they themselves do make money. So he feels that his word is just as good as theirs, and he has a point. Just because the VB boys can point to some story from 10 ears ago about how some jerk won a bunch on money playing VB, they think we should beieve them if they claim the same thing. Why should Ken prove what he does when no VB guy ever has to. So there are books on VB, big whoop. That doesn't mean you're making money doing it.
He's always here or on countless other roulette boards like Spike>>
I can make a post at 10am and the next post at 5pm and am accused of 'constantly' being on here. The ignorance of most people is mind boggling. I didn't post at all today till after 4pm, yet to Herb, I've been here all day. Whatever..
Spot on Spike. My point is, one definition for all. I have no solid evidence, nor does anyone else. Is that a big deal? No, but then someone such as Herb should not DEMAND it from others. Even if someone posted that they watched 'so-n-so' play and win thousands over months, thats still not proof. That person could be lying, correct? Ken
I only ever talked to one VB guy. He would stand at the airball wheel last year for the whole time I was there, writing stuff down. He was there every time I played. I talked to him and he was very evasive at first, but he eventually told me what he was doing. As far as I know, he never played. All that time wasted for nothing, I was very impressed. Not.
"Ken goes to a casino? When?" >>> Often and up until around three months ago, I went very often. I have OTHER things going on thanks to gamblers fallacy! Ken
Mr. J.,
The physics and case history on VB is solid. It is easily proven, and even the wheel manufacturers recognize that it has been a problem.
However your absurd system can not be proven effective in the long run. It's just not possible for it to work and I've proven that it can't work mathematically.
I'm asking YOU Herb to show us here, EVERYTHING you feel is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. Its not what I am asking for...its what YOU CAN SHOW us. So again, we have on your list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
"The physics and case history on VB is solid. It is easily proven" >>> AGAIN, I'm not asking what you play/study. Ken
Ken,
You don't even know what you want to see as prove. Where is this going? :sarcastic:
When do you want to meet up for our challenge? AC or LV?
"As far as I know, he never played. All that time wasted for nothing" >>> Sounds about right. Dozens if not hundreds of hours put in for a MAYBE chance that the 7/11 hits much more than the 8/12. Good luck with that. :girl_wacko: Ken
"When do you want to meet up for our challenge? AC or LV?" >>> I won't be at either but thanks (thats called answering a question BTW). "You don't even know what you want to see as prove" >>> I answered that ALREADY. *LIST* what you have or will have in the NEAR future. I started the list for you already. The thread will still be open (I assume). Ken
"Surely you aren't trying to back out of our challenge?" >>> Lets pick this apart. Its your challenge, not OURS. Myself saying NO is not backing out. Backing out would be me saying yes and THEN saying no. Ken
I'm asking YOU Herb to show us here, EVERYTHING you feel is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. Its not what I am asking for...its what YOU CAN SHOW us. So again, we have on your list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
Dozens if not hundreds of hours put in for a MAYBE chance that the 7/11 hits much more than the 8/12. Good luck with that. >>
VB players never give demonstrations because what they do is so hit and miss. Ken and I can walk into any casino and leave a winner, a VB guy doesn't even know if he'll play. Its more of a hobby than anything else.
Myself saying NO is not backing out. Backing out would be me saying yes and THEN saying no.>>>
Theres a lot of that stuff here lately. Somebody has a challenge and I don't participate, so that makes me a coward. Hey, whatever.
@Spike >> You hit it on the head, a HOBBY! Something to do after GIVING UP on real roulette play. Lets see......fishing, coin collecting, playing bingo at the local church, book of the month club and oh yeah....watch a fu***n wheel for 150 hours. :girl_wacko: Ken
"I've shown you documented proof for VB" >>> I am asking for EVIDENCE that you, personally are doing VERY WELL. Soooo? Still waiting sir. Ken
Then what would you call it "Reversing out"?
Ken,
This is your one chance to prove to the world that you're not just a some guy that talks big only when he's drunk.
@Herb >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list, forget what you THINK I might want to see. Show us what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) >>> EVERYTHING you feel is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. Its not what I am asking for...its what YOU CAN SHOW us. So again, we have on your list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
......fishing, coin collecting, playing bingo at the local church, book of the month club and oh yeah>>>
If you ever see one of these guys, thats what it looks like, a hobby. They just stand there for hours, staring at the wheel, while the rest of us are betting. Yet they're the Kings of Roulette, just ask them. Pretty funny.
You can't have it both ways, if you spend 3-4 hours a day on a roulette forum (and that's bare minimum for some of us) then that's nearly 1500 hours in a year. So times that by 40 spins an hour and that's 60k spins.
"Then what would you call it "Reversing out"?" >>> Call what? "This is your one chance to prove to the world" >>> Prove WHAT to the world? I'm the guy 'drinking'? :sarcastic: Ken
"You can't have it both ways, if you spend 3-4 hours a day on a roulette forum (and that's bare minimum for some of us) then that's nearly 1500 hours in a year. So times that by 40 spins an hour and that's 60k spins" >>> Who is this to? Ken
"Let me know when you'll be arriving if you get the nerve to show up" >>> Can you pick me up at the airport buddy? Ohhh, so for two weeks, you will not be posting anything more to the LIST? lol Ken
ken,
Herb is giving you an opportunity to see some evidence, why are you backing out of the invitation? :-\
if you are lucky you could win every time you play. no system just pure chance when you place your bet. if you play a system you will lose in the long run. 37. or 38 numbers. back 35 of them you will lose in the long run.
sit at the table. no system and just pick what you think will win. never more then 1.2.or 3 chips on the table.
I am making a general point, I am not speaking to anybody specifically.
@Herb >> Starting on August 11th, I will be in India, climbing Mount Kanchenjunga. Do you accept my 'challenge'? Will you climb with me? (I love analogies) Ken
So, ken and spike,
Why won't you meet up with Herb????
"Herb is giving you an opportunity to see some evidence, why are you backing out of the invitation?" >>> Same definitions, correct? So if so-n-so comes HERE and I win (playing methods) over a few days. That would then mean that I'm a overall winner and methods work, is that correct? Ken
Oh, oh....Steve in tha hizzo.
"Herb is giving you an opportunity to see some evidence, why are you backing out of the invitation?" >>> Same definitions, correct? So if so-n-so comes HERE and I win (playing methods) over a few days. That would then mean that I'm a overall winner and methods work, is that correct? Ken
Why won't you meet up with Herb>>>
Herb has a track record of saying he'll meet people and then not showing up. I know of at least 2 instances where he weaseled out and I've heard of others. His challenges are meaningless.
Quote from: Mr J on July 13, 2010, 07:44:14 PM
"Herb is giving you an opportunity to see some evidence, why are you backing out of the invitation?" >>> Same definitions, correct? So if so-n-so comes HERE and I win (playing methods) over a few days. That would then mean that I'm a overall winner and methods work, is that correct? Ken
It would be a start. Make a change from blowing hot air on internet forums wouldn't it?
You might even learn something. Seriously, you guys have no idea about Herb.
Quote from: Spike! on July 13, 2010, 07:50:30 PM
Why won't you meet up with Herb>>>
Herb has a track record of saying he'll meet people and then not showing up. I know of at least 2 instances where he weaseled out and I've heard of others. His challenges are meaningless.
I don't believe it. Who are these people?
Wrong answer Bayes. The question was regarding ME.....same definitions? Re-read the post if needed. Ken
Wrong answer Bayes. The question was regarding ME.....>>>
EXACTLY! Nobody doubts that Herb spends all his spare time on his hobby of staring into a wheel. Its HIM saying that Ken can't be winning. Herb should go to Milwaukee and watch Ken play, its not that far from where Herb lives. Its a lot closer than Vegas. But Herb will never do it, he doesn't want to know the truth.
Quote from: Mr J on July 13, 2010, 07:52:37 PM
Wrong answer Bayes. The question was regarding ME.....same definitions? Re-read the post if needed. Ken
I thought you wanted to see some evidence of Herb winning?
I can't speak for Herb, but if I saw you winning it would be something. Something is better than nothing. Besides, I really don't have a problem with your claims, only spikes.
Thats a good point Spike. I have to be very clear !!!!! We'll say 5 days of play. Each day I will bring 3K exactly, no more. (15K total). I'll assume a loss of 3K. My NET should be around $2,500-$3,200 for the 4 days of wins, also depending on number of hours per day played. This is what I mean regarding definitions.....does that mean I win long term or just lucky for those 5 days? Ken
LOL, Steve should send the "boys" around to the casino for the protection money.
Keeping all the big hitters away from the casino and posting on here. They must thank god every night!
Another thing regarding Herb. Assuming anyone would go to LV to watch him, doesn't he need like a 6 week head start so he can watch wheels spin, jotting down info? Ken
I think if you are just into looking for bias, it can obviously take a while, but the real pro's who are into stuff like wheel defects etc.. can pick up on things a lot quicker.
......and all the while, casino staff notices nothing. lol Ken
It pays to be open minded. I read about a few AP methods a while back. One of them was pretty simple and just more or less had you looking at alternating pocket distances. So I made up a little disc and decided to give it a try at the table. Within 5 minutes of using it, the inspector watching over the table was in the managers ear. After about 25-30 minutes of good luck where I won a few hundred, the manager came over and told me I was not allowed to use any kind of aperatus at the table. So what was the difference between what I was doing and someone marking down the numbers. If they caught someone with a computer, they would probably run them out of town, lol.
The point is I deliberately did it all out in the open to see what kind of reaction I got and I certainly got some attention, lol. So it proves to me that the casino are looking out for this stuff. On saying that a real pro is going to be discrete while going about his business.
So here's a question for you Ken. In a casino where it is perfectly ok for me to write down the numbers on a scorecard, why was I not allowed to use a little tracker wheel which was highlighting the pocket distances that the ball was travelling in different directions. What is the difference in that?
Anybody can answer that by the way.
"In a casino where it is perfectly ok for me to write down the numbers on a scorecard, why was I not allowed to use a little tracker wheel which was highlighting the pocket distances that the ball was travelling in different directions" >>> First off, thats assuming the story is true, I wasn't there. Second, how do you know its not just THAT floor person (or pit) on THAT shift in THAT casino, on THAT particular day, had an issue with it? Ken
For what it's worth, my opinion is that it's because they thought I was trying to gain an unfair advantage over the house. Yet any player who is just writing the numbers down, that is fine by them. So they are acknowledging that there are certain types of play that are acceptable and certain types of play that are not. That is the logical conclusion. When I started winning, it only took 20 minutes for the manager himself to come over and have a word.
I believe that if I did that again at the same casino, my membership would be terminated.
"So they are acknowledging that there are certain types of play that are acceptable and certain types of play that are not" >>> They? I thought it was one person? Same question again....how do you know its not just THAT floor person (or pit) on THAT shift in THAT casino, on THAT particular day, had an issue with it? Ken
"They? I thought it was one person?"
here is what I said.
"Within 5 minutes of using it, the inspector watching over the table was in the managers ear."
Obviously the reason they had an issue with it is because I was winning and also some of the other players were watching what I was doing as well.
So in 20+ years of playing roulette all over the world, I have never being stopped once from writing down numbers but as soon as I am using this little disc with a rotating dial on it and just betting around 6 numbers which are next to each other on the physical wheel, and you think it's maybe just because that particular inspector and manager had a problem with it. LOL. I have to say I think that's ridiculous. These people are trained to look out for these things and they did not dissapoint me, lol.
"the inspector watching over the table" >>> Thats ONE person and THEN talking to the manager. How many times did you use the disc....at how many casinos, over what period of time, how many different shifts? Ken
If they caught someone with a computer, they would probably run them out of town, lol.>>
In Nevada, its prison for 5 years if you use a cheating device.
Quote from: elmo on July 13, 2010, 08:38:49 PM
So here's a question for you Ken. In a casino where it is perfectly ok for me to write down the numbers on a scorecard, why was I not allowed to use a little tracker wheel which was highlighting the pocket distances that the ball was travelling in different directions. What is the difference in that?
Anybody can answer that by the way.
If you were losing, they would never say a word. They were just backing you off because you were winning, and tracker was a good excuse.
I could understand that if I was winning thousands or betting in £25 chips. But I was only up a few hundred.
Like I said, I think they thought I was using an unfair means to gain an edge. If you are writing down the numbers, no problem. If you are trying to beat the game through a physical approach and they see you using something outwith the norm, then it is their job to notice. It is no biggie but it shows they are on the ball.
Ken,
I'll have my laptop on me. Why can't you just take a cab from the airport?
Quote from: Herb6 on July 13, 2010, 09:49:49 PM
I have? Name one.
Here's the first one I was aware of. Herb was supposed to meep up with Turbo a couple years ago in AC. Turbo says he never showed up. Herb says he was there and 'saw Turbo on another table', but he was soooooooooo busy he couldn't even find 10sec to go to the table where he saw Turbo and say Hi. Thats because Herb was never there.
You're really reaching Spike. ;D
Quote from: Herb6 on July 13, 2010, 10:06:51 PM
You're really reaching Spike. ;D
Notice he doesn't deny it. Turbo says you never showed, how is that 'reaching'? You wanted an example, I gave you one. I have others, want to deny them too?
Its just hearsay, and you'd deny it anyway, why bother. Did you meet Mr V a couple weeks ago in Vegas like you said, I haven't looked into that one yet. Why don't you write to him real fast and have him lie and say he did.
"Why can't you just take a cab from the airport?" >>> I'm joking idiot and who the heck is Davey? The banned guy? He should be banned from life. Ken
@Herb/Snowman >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list, forget what you THINK I might want to see. Show us what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) >>> EVERYTHING you think is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. So again, we have on YOUR list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
Ken,
I think the easiest way for us to settle this would be for us just to have a challenge in person in either LV or AC.
If you don't have the nerve to play against me, then how about Davey Jones?
I won't play against people I like here so why play against you? You would be a no-show anyways, just like the coward we all know you are. :haha: Lots of talk but rotten results. Ken
I think Herb is mad cause I challenged him to show us all his EVIDENCE of doing well. Ooops, that struck a nerve. lol Now I know one more weakness for future debates. You fu***d up homie. Ken
Mr. J.,
This is your big chance to show us that you're not just some dumb drunk. Where shall the challenge take place?
AC or LV?
Forget LV or AC, what about JUYR?
If Spike and Mr. J are afraid to challenge me>>>
Sigh. Challenges are stupid, they're pissing contests for 20 year olds. I win, Ken wins, we don't care who believes it, as long as the casino keeps paying.
>>The last person that I met up with in LV was Davey from this forum You know, he's a pretty sharp guy. >>
He got banned he was so sharp. Somebody right up your ally. Go and read his last 50 posts, he was a real rocket scientist. He couldn't stand it that Ken claims to win, why should he care.
Thats just it. I win (not always) and so what? The ONLY people to get pissed about that are the guys that dont win, period. I will not apologize for it, I worked too hard. Some of these guys read in a book 15 years ago, it said....."You can not beat roulette". Its stuck in their head and it aint coming out. lol Guess who writes those books/opinions? Guys that lose, kind of odd, hey? Ken
Quote from: Herb6 on July 13, 2010, 10:37:42 PM
Sorry, but I was never supposed to meet Mr. V.
You said to Mr V:
"Yes, I'd like to meet up as well. I don't know for sure if I can make the 12th or not. I will definitely be there by the 14th."
Then you said you'd definately be there on Mon the 14th. Mr V was there, he wrote a trip report about it. So once again you don't show up, but the only guy who can 'prove' you did has been banned. How convienient for you, huh. LOL!
This is your big chance to show us that you're not just some dumb drunk.>>>
I'm not sure why you think personal attacks make you look credible. Ken doesn't do that to you. Why do try and make him look bad, is he that much of a threat to you?
I'm a threat to their way of THINKING, which is terrible for those with big ego issues. If I'm right regarding SOME methods, that means THEY are wrong and thats bad news. Ken
Mr. J.,
You're no threat me, you're just a threat to the other drivers on the road where you live.
"you're just a threat to the other drivers on the road where you live" >>> Umm, ok good point. ::)
@Herb/Snowman >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list, forget what you THINK I might want to see. Show us what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) >>> EVERYTHING you think is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. So again, we have on YOUR list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
If I'm right regarding SOME methods, that means THEY are wrong and thats bad news. >>>
Thats pretty much it, Ken. Its not enough that they be right, everybody else HAS to be wrong and they go to great lengths to shut them up. If they won't shut up, they will denigrate and threaten them. Its called jealousy and insecurity.
Mr. J.,
It's not necessary for me to prove that A.P. V.B. is effective, since it's has been cited and acknowledged by the roulette manufacturer and wheel engineer as being a threat, and as the reason for various design changes in the past.
However, It is necessary for you and Spike to prove that you have some fantasy system that can beat roulette,
since every encyclopedia and mathematician out there says that it's impossible to create such a system.
As a member of The Consortium of Wise Men, you should know that we have concluded that you are likely delusional, a fool, a lead actor in The Theater of The Absurd, and or in a constant inebriated state, and that you do not fully comprehend the gravity of your bewildering claims while possessing an unusual obsession with Anime.
In order for you to prove that you are in possession of a winning system, (cough) you are required by The Consortium of Wise Men to show up for the challenge or you will be forever labeled from this day forward, as an absurd, inebriated, delusional fool with an unusual interest in Anime.
-Herb6 :)
"It's not necessary for me to prove that A.P. V.B. is effective" >>> I never asked that. I'm asking (again) for *YOU* to show EVIDENCE of doing very well playing your style. Ken
@Herb/Snowman >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list, forget what you THINK I might want to see. Show us what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) >>> EVERYTHING you think is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. So again, we have on YOUR list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
"forever labeled from this day forward, as an absurd, inebriated, delusional fool with an unusual interest in Anime" >>> Yep and a thicker wallet than you. :punish: Ken
Sorry Mr. J.,
The Consortium has spoken.
However, It is necessary for you and Spike to prove that you have some fantasy system that can beat roulette>>>
You don't get it. We prove it every time we go to the casino.
Another typical "NO SHOW" was that Turbo genius cat . He was supposed to meet me ( about several years ago) at the AC Hilton .
Guess who did not show within a time frame of 4 hours ? The Turbo cat. This matter was discussed on the roulette board . Many knew of the meeting to take place . But since I was there for a few days stay it did not bother me.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Its an ego thing, Nathan. Herb and Snowman have no intention of meeting anybody. Herb says he met Davey Jones, yet notice he never mentioned it until he was banned. He's never met anybody from a forum and has no intention of ever doing so. Its a big game.
Funny I spoke to a couple of guys that confirmed that they have met Herb. Don't quite know where you get your info from....
The only one I know that does not show up is you Spike. Remember that issue of YOUR challenge that you did not attend. Funny thing was while we were waiting for you and the other fake (Gizzy boy) we all knew that you two wouldn't pitch. It was pretty obvious.
@Herb/Snowman >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list, forget what you THINK I might want to see. Show us what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) >>> EVERYTHING you think is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. So again, we have on YOUR list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
Funny I spoke to a couple of guys that confirmed that they have met Herb>>>
Gosh, wow, so it must be true then. What does he look like? I'll see if it tallys with the description I got from the one person I know for sure has met him. I won't hold my breath waiting for your BS answer..
Who gives a s**t? lol I have this second cousin who knows this guy who use to date this chic who had a neighbor who has an aunt who knew the mailman that delivered mail to Herb the second week of last February. He said Herb had a red shirt on. Herb asked me a question...I answered. I asked Herb the same question.....he tells me to book a flight. WTF? :girl_wacko: Ken
Ken,
Are you sure he told you the truth ? That`s the time of the year when Herb would wear a red flannel union suit.
NO UP AND PULL required . :clapping:
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N.D.
NICE! ;D
Lmao ;D
@Herb/Snowman >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list, forget what you THINK I might want to see. Show us what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) >>> EVERYTHING you think is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. So again, we have on YOUR list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
"Guess who did not show within a time frame of 4 hours?" >>> This is a good point Nate. Let me see if I understand. I should go to LV to meet up with Herb at a specific date/time. What window do I give him? 4-5 hours? He ends up being a no show and then I jump back on a plane back home? :girl_werewolf: Ken
should go to LV to meet up with Herb at a specific date/time.>>>
Snowman never does what he says he's going to do. He always says he'll meet somebody and then never shows up.
Yes,
You should go to LV and humiliate me. :)
Ken,
I can give you advice on how to get them to open a single 0 wheel roulette table but to advise you how to make Herb to show up within a time frame at a certain spot of a casino is way beyond my capabilities.
But I do have my doubts that Herb would show up in that red flannel union suit due to the hot temperature in LV.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
@Herb/Snowman >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list, forget what you THINK I might want to see. Show us what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) >>> EVERYTHING you think is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. So again, we have on YOUR list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 21, 2010, 09:14:22 PM
@Herb/Snowman >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list, forget what you THINK I might want to see. Show us what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) >>> EVERYTHING you think is PROOF. I can give you more time, I did say that. So again, we have on YOUR list....
A) A possible future pic of cash/chips (owner unknown)
B) A cool pic of two females
C) A link
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Ken
Mr. J, you keep company with characters like Spike and Gizzy, both no shows in a simple challenge right here on VLS. That does not say much about you. I know someone that I speak to on a daily basis who met Herb in person. He will tell you that within 15 minutes he learnt more from Herb than what he could ever wish to learn in years being on forums. Then again with members like Spike and Gizzy on this forum that is understandable. Absolutely useless and pointless posts. It's like reading a comic...........funny in the beginning but get's boring very quickly.
As far as knowledge about roulette, Spike knows as much as your average chip scatterer.....actually your average chip scatterer most probably knows a bit more than Spiky boy. Whoever actually believes that Spike actually plays roulette and actually wins at roulette should have their heads read. Spiky and his clan is nothing else but absolute BS. If (and I say 'If' with 99% doubt) Spike actually do show his face in a casino it would only be for the free buffet and free drinks. ;D
Good on ya,Jack mate.
VERY TRUE.
"both no shows in a simple challenge right here on VLS" >>> I dont get it? "Absolutely useless and pointless posts" >>> How would you know that unless you were reading them? AND, if they were pointless, why would you CONTINUE to read them? "you keep company with characters like Spike and Gizzy" >>> I keep company (that sounds odd) with MANY posters here, why not comment on them? "I know someone that I speak to on a daily basis who met Herb in person. He will tell you that within 15 minutes he learnt more from Herb than what he could ever wish to learn in years" >>> Is this a different version of EVIDENCE? :sarcastic: Ken
Still waiting for my answers.
@Herb/Snowman >> I'm being very simple and fair with this. You ADD to this list. Show US what you feel would be PROOF (evidence) of you doing well with AP. So, we have on YOUR list....
A) A future picture of cash/chips (owner unknown).
B) A hot picture of two females.
C) A link.
D) Someone from VLS saw you play (no proof).
So, add to this list AS MUCH or AS LITTLE as you want. Thanks, Ken
A progression is suicide. If you can't beat a game betting flat you can't hope beat it with a progression or does a progression have a magical formula to affect where the ball will land? Nope it don't folks .....
Quote from: ripple on October 16, 2010, 04:34:13 PM
A progression is suicide. If you can't beat a game betting flat you can't hope beat it with a progression or does a progression have a magical formula to affect where the ball will land? Nope it don't folks .....
....I respect your OPINION sir, thank you. Ken
Does AP work? Yes, but only in "right" conditions. Find these is very dificult - will not happen and if you think that you find it, it might be only lucky strike.
So we can go buying stuff in shops in "right" conditions..eg find mislabeled price tag, corupted bar code reader etc,etc. These workes also, but find these conditions is diffrent story, so go ahead.
G'day,
Quote from: ripple on October 16, 2010, 04:34:13 PM
A progression is suicide. If you can't beat a game betting flat you can't hope beat it with a progression
or does a progression have a magical formula to affect where the ball will land? Nope it don't folks .....
I also 'respect' your OPINION, but YOU are WRONG!! (so is political correctness)!
The magical formula is the ability YOU have to select WHAT, WHEN & HOW MUCH to bet on.
Not where the ball is going to land, this is why 'mathboyz' have so many problems comprehending the
concept of a winning mathematical based system, because they are predetermined to the idea of failure.
Glenn.
Could someone tell me what BTH is?
Many thanks.
**********My average strike rate is 67% for the MATRIX 50 If I Even hit five of those wins with higher stakes I'm assured a Profit margin by the end of the session. . .***************************
I would like to know more about the MATRIX 50. How does it work?
The MATRIX 50 is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very forum. You can see it when you visit your local b&m casino or when you turn on your computer. You can feel it when you play roulette... when you bet on Red... when you double your bet. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. The truth? That you end up losing more than you win at roulette. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.
;D
Seriously though, if it works well then post it up in the forum and if it works I will add it to my arsenal :thumbsup:
************this is why 'mathboyz' have so many problems*********************
The problem with maths boys is they do not use logic. They cannot see the forrest for the trees lol They say trends don't exist. Nonsense! I know one when I see it! They see everything in terms of infinity.
Problem is human beings do not play for infinity. Person X can play a strategy for their whole adult life and be +100,000 by the end of it. Person Z can play the exact same strategy for their whole adult life and be -500,000 by the end of it. It is all the persons in between that matter.
Why is it the same people always play at the final table of a poker tournament? What, are they just the luckiest people on earth? No, they are good poker players. You get good roulette players and bad roulette players. A good arsenal of strategies is only half the battle.
p.s. Person X would have quit at -500, seen it was not working for them, not - 500,000!