I have an idea.
Let's have Fender give us a live demonstration on Dublinbet using real money. To keep it interesting, let's make sure the starting unit is at least $20.
Let's see how his system holds up after 1,000 placed bets.
What do you say Fender, are you up for the challenge? Can you afford it?
-Herb
Fender are you afraid to back up your absurd claims? :sarcastic:
Fender, I have a Bet365 account as you do, in a post a good few pages back Stackbubdles mentioned he saw you while he was playing on one occassion, surely I could watch while you play a few sessions? atleast if only put the b***hing to rest.
Not too sure now about Mr Stacks but he has gone quiet since hi ban and one of his last posts stating a £400 winning session on cards then lost it but made £700 in a session at roulette, hard to believe I'm afraid sounds too suspect, come on Fender, prove it works, atleast for you anyway.
What's the point of this challenge? Certainly fender doesn't need to prove it to himself that he would win... he **knows** very well he would win.
QuoteYOU HAVE TO PROVE IT WORKS TO YOURSELF
Man have I tried, first, as you know, in my bot with rng, then agaisnt standard RNG in rxtreme (which isnt rigged) and lastly on the live wheels (european and playtech) on bet365 on paper rather than real dosh, it hasn't worked for me, no disrespect but I won't be buying "The Book".
The thread has grown so big that everything has become muddier, atlantis playing with different rules, stacks looking elsewhere on the forum for other methods etc etc, stacks was also asked for a screen shot of his mega profit, some people need to see it to believe it.
If I was certain about something and you didn't believe me, I wouldn't stop until I proved you wrong mate.
If Fender doesn't have an account, then perhaps he can use one of his faithful supporters. :)
Fender has made some truly absurd claims, let's see some proof now. : :sarcastic:
let's see some prove now>>>
ARGGH! Why does everybody keep misusing this word? Its PROOF, not 'prove'. I see this again and and again on here, whats up with that? :diablo: :diablo:
I think it's important that Fender is the one making the bet selection. This way, when it crashes he can't blame anyone else for making a "mistake".
Let's make sure the stating bets are at least $20. OK?
Why not just do the challenge in the forum? It would take a while but quicker than DB probably. But as expect fender has already backed off. Why? Because he knows the lame excuse "you're doing it wrong" doesn't wash. Also, fender can explain the reasons for betting or not betting and can't curve fit his results like he's been doing on paper for 10 years.
:wizard:
In fact, who needs fender anyway? Anyone who knows the zone can do the challenge.
Fender has neither the money or the nerve to do the challenge. :sarcastic:
He doesn't have the system to do the challenge, thats the problem. He's terrified it will tank in the middle of the test and knows he can't recover from such a tanking, so he will weasel out. What did you expect?
I'm trying to see just how delusional he is. :sarcastic:
This is going the same way all so called Grails go. Starts out big, everybody is enthusiastic for a few weeks, and it starts to peter out as people realize it doesn't work. Look at Signum, same thing. Everybody has bailed out, as they are slowly doing with the Zone, and soon it will be just Fender left, screaming at everybody how great he is, just like El Chippo is carrying on with Signum and is going to get back to us at the end of the year. Please don't.
This is ridiculous guys! If you checked the thread you will know I posted real results from Wiesbaden Casino for various days and WON every session of games - even playing the less strict way with my labby tweak.
What makes you think fender's results would be any different?
Why not simply test it yourself playing as I have done - you're looking at about 70 spins to gain +10 points.
A.
Atlantis,
Do you understand the system? If so, can give us a live demonstration of it Dublin Bet?
Why not simply test it yourself playing as I have done >>>
Why don't you do the Dublin test, Atlantis? Prove to all of us that it works. You have nothing to lose, its a sure winner. Right?
Quote from: atlantis on May 01, 2010, 05:40:42 PM
This is ridiculous guys!
We want to know who is really playing it and who is just hot air. We want to see real proof that Dark Matter Maths is the real deal.
Also, when playing in a live challenge you can't fudge the results :wizard:
This reminds me of a guy who comes to town and is an expert marksman. He keeps bragging that he never misses and when somebody asks for a demo of his ability, he says 'Naw', I explained it to you, just do it yourself.
You would be laughed out of town as a liar and a fool, and rightly so.
:sarcastic:
Why don't they prove it to themselves? >>
So of all you people who are claiming fantastic success, not ONE of you will prove it? LOL! This speaks volumes, doesn't it. It just proves the old saying "Money talks and bullshit walks". If you can't and won't show us that YOU can do it, why is god's name would we waste our time to learn it ourselves? Its a baloneyfest, as Gizmo says.
IF AND WHEN I EVER GIVE YOU THE PRIVILEGE of seeing me in realtime action.>
You won't do it NOW, and you won't do it THEN! You don't realize that you're just like all the other Grail claimers. Its always somewhere in the dim future that you will 'prove' what you say, because you hope everybody will have forgotten by then. You are TERRIFIED down to your toes to give a demo, why not just admit it?
Quote from: Spike! on May 01, 2010, 06:05:36 PM
You won't do it NOW, and you won't do it THEN!
This is part of the Hidden Math cult pact, don't you know? We mere mortals in the real world aren't ready for it yet. Some day it will all be revealed.....but not yet, or tomorrow. Maybe in 2012 when fender finally gets to Vegas. When his first session on the strip has sent shockwaves across the world maybe I'll be reading about it on the front page of the Times the morning after.
:lol:
I will be happy to post my results for a session of games from Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden for TABLE 3 01 MAY 2010 when I can download the spins file tomorrow. I will play it thru RXtreme program and post the results - playing it using the relaxed rules using my labouchere stake tweak. I don't expect it to be any different to my previous results posts!
A.
This is what's so silly about Fender's method. It's the waiting for numbers to become "due"
The following is for a double zero wheel.
You can stand around, waiting for somewhere close to 248 spins for a specific dozen not to hit, and then have a chance of hitting it of 12/38
or
You can bet the very first spin and have the same 12/38 chance of winning. ;D
The waiting around to qualify your bet is beyond silly! ;D
What magical event is it that you feel is happening while you wait to bet?
:sarcastic:
I will be happy to post my results for a session of games from Casino Spielbank>>>
Posting results don't prove anything. The only thing that passes for proof is laying down real money on a real live wheel, like Dublin has. Anything else is meaningless. Countless players thought they had the Grail and sold there possessions and flew to Vegas and came home totally broke. Vegas LOVES those players. I'm not joking, it happens all the time. You're curve fitting data and the ONLY way to show yourself you're not, is to play for real money. Those results never lie..
The waiting around to qualify your bet is beyond silly! >>>
Agreed. I bet almost every spin. I didn't used to, but the more you play, the more you realize waiting is useless with random outcomes. You have no idea whats coming or when its coming, waiting is just a way to make your BR last longer.
Quote from: Spike! on May 01, 2010, 06:25:47 PM
I will be happy to post my results for a session of games from Casino Spielbank>>>
Posting results don't prove anything. The only thing that passes for proof is laying down real money on a real live wheel, like Dublin has. Anything else is meaningless. Countless players thought they had the Grail and sold there possessions and flew to Vegas and came home totally broke. Vegas LOVES those players. I'm not joking, it happens all the time. You're curve fitting data and the ONLY way to show yourself you're not, is to play for real money. Those results never lie..
Spike - we're talking about ACTUAL results here. How can I be accused of curve fitting data??? Tell you what I'll do. Pick a number say between 1 and 20 and I will start playing the session as I said tomorrow from THAT number spin in the file.
A.
@Fender,
For a few years I thought I was walking around with the holy grail in my pocket. I was winning almost every session. What was really happening was just a bit of good luck in my favour. Ok, I used a disciplined approach and did not bet on every spin, like you I tried to play in short bursts and quit with a profit.
The truth was I did not have the H.G. even though I really wanted to believe that I did. I admire your determination and the way you are sticking up for yourself BUT you really don't have any grail there. You may win for the next 2/3 years and I sincerely hope you do but long term you are not on safe ground.
What eventually happened with me is a long story that I don't really want to go into but it had a happy ending.....for now at least. The point is don't waste your life dreaming about something that is not sustainable long term.
Maybe it will take some time, but with your determination, you really need to be looking for other ways to win at this game if you intend to make a career out of it.
No offence intended, I am just offering some words of wisdom from someone who was probably where you are now.
Atlantis,
Why do you feel numbers, or in this case, dozens become due to hit?
1. The dealer isn't blocking any numbers after they hit.
2. The number of pockets on the wheel remain the same from one spin to the next.
So, what magical event is happening that makes a dozen numbers become more likely to hit?
Quote from: Spike! on May 01, 2010, 06:32:04 PM
The waiting around to qualify your bet is beyond silly! >>>
Agreed. I bet almost every spin. I didn't used to, but the more you play, the more you realize waiting is useless with random outcomes. You have no idea whats coming or when its coming, waiting is just a way to make your BR last longer.
that is utter bull, waiting for certain runs on dozens is the way to play dozens. betting on every spin is suicide. you just make random guesses then.
why almost,and not every spin. ahh smell keechhh. :haha: :haha: :haha:
MacDuff,
How about you, can you answers the questions below? :
Why do you feel numbers, or in this case, dozens become due to hit?
1. The dealer isn't blocking any numbers after they hit.
2. The number of pockets on the wheel remain the same from one spin to the next.
So, what magical event is happening that makes a dozen numbers become more likely to hit?
Quote from: Spike! on May 01, 2010, 06:32:04 PM
The waiting around to qualify your bet is beyond silly! >>>
Agreed. I bet almost every spin. I didn't used to, but the more you play, the more you realize waiting is useless with random outcomes. You have no idea whats coming or when its coming, waiting is just a way to make your BR last longer.
spike you must lose your money real fast then.
Quote from: WARRIOR on May 01, 2010, 06:47:52 PM
spike you must lose your money real fast then.
...while you waste your life chasing an illusion.
Quote from: Number Six on May 01, 2010, 06:49:37 PM
...while you waste your life chasing an illusion.
everything in life is an illusion even you and you dont even no it.
How about you Warrior, can you answer the questions below? :)
How about you, can you answers the questions below? :
Why do you feel numbers, or in this case, dozens become due to hit?
1. The dealer isn't blocking any numbers after they hit.
2. The number of pockets on the wheel remain the same from one spin to the next.
So, what magical event is happening that makes a dozen numbers become more likely to hit?
because watching 1000s and 1000s of spins confirm to me that runs and cycles occur constantly,there is no set in stone formula, that for some reason is your god.
fender is not wrong in what he says the zone does hit well over 12 sessions. he has made this work for himself. personally waiting and recouping is not for me.i have no doubt that he does make it work,WITHOUT MATHS!!!!!!!!!!!
it really is not hard to accept.
have you even tried the zone??????????
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 06:55:29 PM
How about you Warrior, can you answer the questions below? :)
How about you, can you answers the questions below? :
Why do you feel numbers, or in this case, dozens become due to hit?
1. The dealer isn't blocking any numbers after they hit.
2. The number of pockets on the wheel remain the same from one spin to the next.
So, what magical event is happening that makes a dozen numbers become more likely to hit?
the LAW OF AVERAGES you should study that a little more,insurance guys have used it for years.
Sorry, but there's no such thing as "The Law of Averages".
Warrior, how about a real world demonstration on Dublinbet? :)
Quote from: macduff on May 01, 2010, 06:57:52 PM
the zone does hit well over 12 sessions.
Do you know why? Because it is governed by the maths. The probability of winning a 4-step progression on a twelve number bet is 79.1%. Where else do you think the zone's strike rate comes from? Rather than throwing the maths out the window, the zone actually confirms it as concrete.
Where is there maths NOT involved? The zone is a mathematical system.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 01, 2010, 07:00:29 PM
do some old fashioned pen and paper testing on the real thing. TOO MUCH LIKE HARD WORK.
Seriously, WHY? Anything you can do on paper can be coded. Anything you can test in 10 years can be tested in literally 5 minutes - the exact rules, the exact strategy. The only reason you paper test is because you curve fit the results.
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 07:00:01 PM
Sorry, but there's no such thing as "The Law of Averages".
Warrior, how about a real world demonstration on Dublinbet? :)
WRONG AGAIN
Quote from: WARRIOR on May 01, 2010, 07:01:37 PM
WRONG AGAIN
The law of averages is a fallacious belief that things are "due". It is only accepted as gospel by clueless gamblers.
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 06:42:38 PM
Atlantis,
Why do you feel numbers, or in this case, dozens become due to hit?
1. The dealer isn't blocking any numbers after they hit.
2. The number of pockets on the wheel remain the same from one spin to the next.
So, what magical event is happening that makes a dozen numbers become more likely to hit?
I don't know what will happen. And I personally don't necessarily think any particular dozen is due at any time. But then how do YOU account for the ZONE phenomenon? There's every chance it will HIT in there!
There is nothing superstitious or magical about that though :)
A.
Quote from: Number Six on May 01, 2010, 07:04:32 PM
The law of averages is a fallacious belief that things are "due". It is only accepted as gospel by clueless gamblers.
CLUELESS AND STONE AGE THINKING
Quote from: WARRIOR on May 01, 2010, 07:07:25 PM
CLUELESS AND STONE AGE THINKING
Come on Warrior, show us otherwise...I dare ya :lol:
You're just another dude who doesn't know his arse from his elbow. Your arguments are baseless. Your words are empty.
Quote from: WARRIOR on May 01, 2010, 07:07:25 PM
CLUELESS AND STONE AGE THINKING
You sure love your caps...
Quote from: fender1000 on May 01, 2010, 07:14:36 PM
Its about PERCENTAGES.
You mean probability. Don't worry, you'll figure it out soon enough
LOTS OF people confuse the law of average with chance ,wich means in latin cadere TO FAIL ,has nothing do do with luck.
Ok, Great then. Let's get this challenge on Dublinbet underway.
Let's start with $20 bets and see long it takes you to hit $10k.
Now, question:
Which of you guys is willing to step up to the plate and give us a live demonstration? :sarcastic:
herb thatS why your a loser you think your going to win a lottery as we say FORGED AB OID
Which of you guys are willing to step up to the plate and give us a live demonstration? :yahoo:
Warrior?
MacDuff?
Fender?
Ok, Who wants go first? :yahoo:
I will do as I said earlier in this thread and post my results of a session tomorrow - whether you're interested or not anyhow.
You can make of it what you will. Ignore them, negate them, call them void or pointless... whatever!
If it makes some feel better to disregard the TRUTH of these real results that's entirely their own choice
A.
betting on every spin is suicide. >>>
For you it would be, because you don't understand what you're doing. You're clueless as to the nature and behavior of random outcomes, so voodoo beliefs are all you have to cling too. The casino encourages that kind of thinking, as long as you have money they're your best friends.
How many spins will you be actually betting?
Not just watching, betting?
How many spins will you be actually betting? >>>
98% of them and the ones I don't bet are just because I get distracted or am too lazy.
Quote from: macduff on May 01, 2010, 06:43:30 PM
that is utter bull, waiting for certain runs on dozens is the way to play dozens. betting on every spin is suicide. you just make random guesses then.
why almost,and not every spin. ahh smell keechhh. :haha: :haha: :haha:
We all know that this: "waiting for certain runs on dozens is the way to play dozens" and that it never happens all the time. You waiters at least acknowledge that much. But what you don't see is when anyone turns things inside out they see other things you never saw before. I notice when your "certain runs" are not happening too. Only I see opportunity. Not because what I want the most is not happening but that something else noticeable is happening. You know what to do when things are right, but you can't see that the opposite or some other strength is something that you could know what to do things with too. It's just missed opportunities that you are pretending not to notice. So don't laugh at those that have every right to laugh at you for your lack of experience.
>>For a few years I thought I was walking around with the holy grail in my pocket. I was winning almost every session. What was really happening was just a bit of good luck in my favour.>>>
Don't think of it as luck. What happened was, the random was in sync with what you were doing for a lot longer than it should have been. This happens in poker and BJ a lot. You go on streaks where you win or lose for long periods, then things even out and all you do is break even. Unless you totally and completely understand whats going on at all times, you will never master any game. Poker and BJ you have no control over, but roulette has the advantage of starting new on every spin, and that puts the game tremendously in your favor.
Ok, Who wants go first?>>
You proved with this thread that not one of these guys has ever played this with real money, especially and including Fender. All they have is their curve fitted results and no real cash. I'll be the first to jump on the bandwagon if somebody takes a test with real money. Never gonna happen.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 01, 2010, 07:48:53 PM
We all know that this: "waiting for certain runs on dozens is the way to play dozens" and that it never happens all the time. You waiters at least acknowledge that much. But what you don't see is when anyone turns things inside out they see other things you never saw before. I notice when your "certain runs" are not happening too. Only I see opportunity. Not because what I want the most is not happening but that something else noticeable is happening. You know what to do when things are right, but you can't see that the opposite or some other strength is something that you could know what to do things with too. It's just missed opportunities that you are pretending not to notice. So don't laugh at those that have every right to laugh at you for your lack of experience.
i think i could agree with you, if you made any sense.
giz, try not to be so condesending. i would think any one who played roulette or watched it for long enough will also see these inside out thingmys that i think you are going on about.
or are you out on the edge of time,that only you see these thingmys, see aahh can do the beatnik talk too.
i happen to agree with fenders style of play,as a lot of others do.
his hit rate is as he says it is,deal with it. :pleasantry: :pleasantry: :pleasantry:
So none of you kids have the nerve to step up to the plate in order to prove that you can win with Fender's system? :sarcastic:
Big surprise. :sarcastic:
The same thing happened with Signum and to this day, not one prson has admited they EVER played it in a real casino. El Chippo says he'll get back to us next year on that. If he thinks we'll have forgotten by then, has he got a big surprise coming.
Quote from: macduff on May 01, 2010, 08:31:46 PM
I think I could agree with you, if you made any sense.
giz, try not to be so condesending.
You are the one standing there saying betting every spin is "Bull." Not only that but you just play a one sided form of randomness isolation. You're attempting to isolate streaks that form specific patterns. The concept is very interesting. To be honest with you - you have no idea how interesting the whole thing is. I've found far better solutions where waiting is completely pointless. You just need to understand how patterns perform under normal randomness. You see, I'm one of those that thinks there is no such thing as abnormal randomness. It's just random. I also know that single dozens have opposites to them in the form of double dozens. That there are similar outcomes that belong to repeats as well as singles in series. There are consequences for dominations of sleepers as well as dominations for series streaks. This idea of collision avoidance for perfect patterns is interesting. It's just far better analyzed in the hands of experts. I don't need to pay respect to a person that thinks superior thinking is Bull and more of it is condescending disrespect. You are in the inferior position. So forget it.
How about you Gizmo? Why don't you demonstrate your roulette skills for us all.
You like to pretend that you can win. :sarcastic:
you just play a one sided form of randomness isolation.>>>
Thats what all systems do, they isolate a small part of the unfolding ramdom, and try and ignore the rest of it. But because they don't understand the rest and don't know how to deal with it, their downfall is always lurking right around the corner.
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 09:20:01 PM
How about you Gizmo? Why don't you demonstrate your roulette skills for us all. :)
You like to pretend that you can win. ;D
I'll pretend your head off.
You want a holy grail that completely beats the math and all the probabilities? All you need to do is attack the perfect pattern. What are the odds that on a single spin an original pattern will execute perfectly for that spin only in order for it to lose. These Fender benders that wait for hell to freeze over have one thing correct. It works until it doesn't. Because it's a pattern, combined with a progression, it will lose for one reason. They keep sticking their necks out waiting for it to be chopped off. But what if you have hundreds of unique patterns executed once. What if the only way you can lose is for your one time pattern to match up perfectly in order for you to lose your very long progression. Those of us that know progressions knows that the pattern will eventually come. But a one time pattern may never match up to the correct spin that would kill it. I'm sure that many here will now expect these killer match up scenarios to be bottle fed to them. Ponder that scenario Herb.
Gizmo,
Enough blarney. Prove you can do it. Let's see you beat Dublinbet. :sarcastic:
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 09:35:23 PM
Gizmo,
Enough blarney. Prove you can do it. Let's see you beat Dublinbet. :sarcastic:
No, idiot. It went right over your head. To bad. When you get someone dumb enough to prove a working system to you you will get what a dumb person is willing to conjure up. You want dumb people to show you what works.
Don't be afraid Gizmo! This is your chance to show us how smart you are! Beat Dublinbet for us! :yahoo:
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 09:40:02 PM
Don't be afraid Gizmo! This is your chance to show us how smart you are! :yahoo:
I just showed you. You just showed me how dumb you are. And, man, you are really stupid.
Come on Gizmo,
This is your big chance to show Fender, Warrior, Macduff, and everyone else just how brilliant you are. :yahoo:
Show us how you can crush Dublinbet. :yahoo:
So here is the trend for the past few weeks. The math Nazis think that pushing people into proving their claims is the winning holy grail for their tired opinions. Get this. They think that roulette can't be beaten so they think they are already correct before any proof. So that act like children when they don't get others to play their childish little games. The truth is, we kicked the math Nazis asses a month ago. This is there big deal comeback. You don't need to prove anything to these beggars. They are too much in need of a working method. So they wait for it. Let them wait.
Come on Gizmo,
This is your chance to prove that your not just full of shit. :yahoo:
Show us how you can crush Dublinbet. :yahoo:
Hurry Gizmo, give Herb something he can reverse engineer. He got a big shock when he found out IGT has changed their airball setup, now he's desperate..
Come on Gizmo,
Show us how elegant your patterns are by beating Dublinbet! :yahoo:
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 09:50:12 PM
Come on Gizmo,
This is your chance to prove that your not just full of s**t. :yahoo:
Show us how you can crush Dublinbet. :yahoo:
" I know your are but what am I ? "
Always ask yourself, why is Herb always so greedy for tests if he sooooo strongly believes all of is baloney? Makes no sense, does it. Any sysem can be reverse engineered. Hell, just this week I did it to the 15 bets Winkel made on that test and from that small number, I figured out about 80% of what he's doing. Take a test, you give away the farm.
Geez Gimzo,
This is your big chance to show us how you're a genius and how your elegant patterns can beat the wheel!
Come on, show Fender and friends that you're not a pretender! :yahoo:
Play Dublinbet for us. :yahoo:
Is that you ruprecht? :jester:
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You must really deal with some true idiots, Herb, if this schoolyard baiting works with them. Just keep bugging them long enough and they break down. What a strategy.
Geez,
I was hoping Gizmotron would show us all what a genius he was and how elegant his patterns are by beating Dublinbet! :sarcastic:
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 09:56:45 PM
Geez Gimzo,
This is your big chance to show us how you're a genius and how your elegant patterns can beat the wheel!
Come on, show Fender and friends that you're not a pretender! :yahoo:
Play Dublinbet for us. :yahoo:
I took Herb to the local brothel to get him laid for the first time in his life. It turned out that he had a soft spot the Bull Queers. So they sold him as the official butt boy on a steamer to China. It was after he got syphilis that his brain began to rot. That's when he figured out visual ballistics. Now he's going to be homeless because they have shut him down for good. So please don't pay him any mind here. He's just gotten a rotten mind from being screwed by Chinamen that have every disease in the book.
I was hoping Gizmotron would show us all what a genius he was>>>
Instead, he showed what a genius you are. Good grief..
Geez,
Sorry Fender,
It looks like Gizmotron can only make baseless claims. Essential his claims are nothing more than "farts in the wind". :sarcastic:
I was hoping Gizmotron would show us all what a genius he was and how elegant his patterns are by beating Dublinbet! ;D
too funny.......... :lol: :lol:
thanks for the laugh,
Too funny! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 10:10:09 PM
Geez,
Sorry Fender,
Yeah, watch out Fender. Herb is kind of on the hunt for a new friend.
Sorry Gizmotron,
Maybe one day, someone will take you serious. :sarcastic:
It looks like Gizmotron can only make baseless claims. >>>
I can make them to, wanna hear them? Again?
Maybe someone will take you serious.>>
You never seem to understand that the only people that need to take us seriously work at the casino. Who gives a rip about you guys, you don't mean squat.
If you don't prove that Herb is a fag then he must be one.
Gizmo,
Please tell us more about your elegant patterns. :give_heart: :sarcastic:
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 10:21:22 PM
Gizmo,
Please tell us more about your elegant patterns. :give_heart: :sarcastic:
I own all elegant patterns and you can't use them without my permission.
Why don't you tell us all about the big one that didn't get away.
Fender,
Why don't you and Gizmo get together and create some elegant patterns for us all to play.
You can teach him the progression and he'll teach you how to spot elegance. :give_rose: :sarcastic:
Quote from: Herb6 on May 01, 2010, 10:25:09 PM
Fender,
Why don't you and Gizmo get together and create some elegant patterns for us all to play.
You can teach him the progression and he'll teach you how to spot elegance. :give_rose:
Herb, you are just having another elegant fallacy of phallic delight.
Gizmotron,
I don't think you're going to make any sales on this board either. :haha:
hey i wanna see the math guys beat dublin bet tooo . IF they want fender to do the trial, i guess its only fair for them to do so as well. "put up or shut up" dont u think ???
now that would BE interesting :D
Hamsup
Hey superman, I think what you ask for, proof, is quite fair and you don't do it with bitterness. However asking for proof may make Fender quite offended and feeling like a liar.
I did not test the system long term however I have some books with spins recorded from real wheels and I also have a few hundreds of spins from William Hill live wheels and his basic concept does work. An avarage of 7 out of 10 winnings. It does hit more between 5th and 8th spin. To my short term testing, if this system does not give you a profit over medium term, it won't let you lose much either, it's quite safe I would say. I don't fully rely on RX but I'd like to see a 10.000 spins graph anyway, anyone?
Quote from: superman on May 01, 2010, 05:04:39 PM
Man have I tried, first, as you know, in my bot with rng, then agaisnt standard RNG in rxtreme (which isnt rigged) and lastly on the live wheels (european and playtech) on bet365 on paper rather than real dosh, it hasn't worked for me, no disrespect but I won't be buying "The Book".
The thread has grown so big that everything has become muddier, atlantis playing with different rules, stacks looking elsewhere on the forum for other methods etc etc, stacks was also asked for a screen shot of his mega profit, some people need to see it to believe it.
If I was certain about something and you didn't believe me, I wouldn't stop until I proved you wrong mate.
Quote from: fender1000 on May 01, 2010, 05:04:04 PM
EXACTLY. I will say it again "YOU NEED TO PROVE IT TO YOURSELF". As I did many years ago. This will take time to sink in for many. You have probably seen many fly by night strategies come and go. I ASSURE YOU THE ZONE isn't one of them. ONE,TWO,THREE, FOUR, FIVE years down the road. this thread will still be atop this forum and by that time only the ardent maths heads will still be spouting their non-sense about house edge and negative down-turn all drawn from fake simulators.
By then the mass concensus will be Fender was telling the truth. And quite a few people will have made a small fortune.
hey gizmo,the bluster king. your cliqhes and formulas are very quaint. your use of the english language is very comendable. do you actually play roulette or do you just stand in the wings and look for faults.
tell us ohh wise one about the things you see an no one else does.
or are you full of bull, i await an answer oohhh superior one .
dont tell me,you are above speaking to mere mortals.