casino software identifies the system we use and will make loss

[srichennai]

first of all i am beginner. so i used maritingale and lossed 40000 inr ( 675$) from the last 4 months..... so i had purchased some systems. all the systems are working fine. but the casino software identifies the system i use and it will make loss suddenly. The system will not work after 1 or 2 days. for example

my deposit amount 10000 inr
my target 1500 inr

so i started playing european roulette @ dafabet and indio casino

1st day i win 1500
2nd day i win 1500

3rd day i loss 3500   (so i stopped here to stop loss @ 1000)

4th day i win 1500

5th day i lost 2500

like this i am not able to take profit.

and i am playing in rng not live

systems i used was martingale, fisher, beat roulette

there is no matter what system you are using. the casino software will not allow you to win more than 5 - 10% of your deposit. i think there is a program to make player  a loss after that %. am i correct or it happens only  to me?

need suggestions and help.

and i also found roulettehowtowin

i need suggestions on that also..

[ausguy]

sri - RNG roulette = give your money to the casino,as you've found out. They are allowed to legally cheat players as they are in the slot machine class of games by regulations not live dealer true random spun wheels. The RNG program doesn't need to calculate players systems, too many to calculate. All they need is bet avoidance activation to make you lose. That is, the game picks numbers you don't bet on. It's not always you lose just more often than you win & that's all the casino needs.

RNG games suck people in with their low starting bet limits. It's the end of the journey that counts not the start. While live dealer usually has higher bet minimums maybe $1 vs 10cents many players including myself find they win more often on live dealer.

Do some homework on here & so help yourself to limit losses. To start with go to the HOME page & find the Main Roulette System Board > click > go to page 12, scope down the thread list & find DOCUMENTED PROOF OF CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE. Also up near the HOME logo is SEARCH to find things.

Also CC forum (same family) has similar posts to VLS. Plenty of posts to look at on both forums including MM (money management) bet strategies, progressions (non Martingale), system & bet methods.

[srichennai]

thanks ausguy

i studied the document of proof that the rng is cheating. you have any systems that works on live roulette? or the system which i use is fischer roulette strategy whether this will work on live rouletee?

[ausguy]

sri - Could you tell us the basics of the fischer roulette strategy, I don't know anything about that one ? Also what part of the layout are you betting ? The inside numbers ? The dozens &/or columns or the EC (even chances) = Red/Black etc. ?

I don't really have any roulette systems/methods that consistantly win more than they lose. Randomness makes sure of that even with live dealer wheels.

To mix the results up even more many casinos change their live dealers every 30 minutes. A couple of live dealer casino's I've played this week are Supercasino, EC limits 1 - 1,000 but only open 10 hours per day for live dealer, slower paced. Auto wheel [also RNG] & RNG runs 24/7 (beware of both games).  The other is Party Casino all live games run 24/7 & EC limits are 2 - 2000 but faster paced & a narrow 15/12 second bet window. 5 currencies available Euro,GBP, x 3 $ = USA, Canada & OZ.

As always test a lot before you outlay your BR (bankroll). As I've already said there's plenty of other bet progressions to look at & test on the forums, Marty is just one of many.

As you have been betting Marty, it can be very deadly on your BR because doubling up quickly escalates the bet amounts as everyone surely knows ?.
It can be made safer with stop losses. For example let's say you have a method to play the Even Chances at Supercasino. Starting at the 1 minimum you could have 8 bet levels for a minimum outlay of 255 and (with a 1,000 limit you could go to L10 but needs lots more money outlaid) a bit more if you wanted to make zero insurance bets should you be betting at the higher levels.  Then there's the common question on higher Marty bets = would a player  outlay hundreds & hundreds or even a thousand + units to win just 1 unit ?

I also add any zero bet amount onto the base bet so that any win doubles my win otherwise it would return a lesser amount = to the zero bet. On a loss I just wear the extra amount & calc. it in for the next bet.

For a stop loss (SL) you could choose a nil money bet after the 3rd loss (You can slide it up or down the progression from after a L1 loss up to after a L7 loss. It's players choice). The MM (money management) would go like this for losses to L3 (any win returns to a L1 bet) Level 1 - Level 3 just the normal double up bets. After L3 the 1st SL nil money bet is made. If that loses then SL bet again. Keep betting like that until a SL win, as should be obvious this stops a long string of back to back losses but it does need 2 back to back wins to succeed = a SL win & a money bet win.

It doesn't win on a switch back SL win but a money bet loss. It would be a tough game to lose at L4 then L5 then L6 then L7 & finally L8.

To go bust it would need to go something like this (I haven't put in string losses that may or may not come along ?) L1. Loss. L2 Loss. L3 Loss. L4 SL bet Win. L4 money bet & Loss. L5 SL bet Win. L5 money bet & Loss. L6 SL bet Win. L6 money bet & loss. L7 SL bet Win. L7 money bet & loss. L8 SL bet Win.  L8 money bet & loss and probably bust or close to it ?

It is a strategy that extends your Marty probably more than double the 16 bet lines but it cetainly keeps you in the game. . Yes if it does win it does it a a slower rate. Logic would suggest that SL betting may allow more wins vs more losses with the std. Marty ?  As always testing & more testing should give you the answers ?

I just had a look at India's pay rates & $10pw (600 inr) looks to be the base rate ? So a $675 loss is heaps in your local terms. Like that calculates to nearly 1 year 4 months pay. Here in OZ a good pay is about $1,000 pw so the equivalent is about $67,000 or close to a 100 : 1 bet outlay BR comparison rate. No wonder we see very few people from countries like India casino betting & posting about it on the forums.   

[srichennai]

thanks for the reply. ok fischer strategy is as follows :

483 B W 1 202 -14
484 R L 1 -15
485 B L 2 -17
486 R L 4 -21
487 B L 8 -29
488 B W 16 203 -13
489 R L 1 -14
490 B L 2 -16
491 R L 4 -20
492 R W 8 204 -12
493 R W 1 205 -11
494 B L 1 -12
495 R L 2 -14
496 R W 4 206 -10
497 B L 1 -11
498 R L 2 207 -13
499 R W 4 208 -9
500 R W 1 209 -8


This table is set up as follows:
Column 1. Shows the decision number. Notice that we don’t bet on the very first
decision, merely observing to determine where to place the next bet.
Column 2. The outcome of the decision – Red, Black or a Zero.
Column 3. The outcome of our wager, where W= a winning bet and L= a losing wager.
Column 4. The size of the bet. The betting series used was 1 2 4 8 16 32, with the rule to
increase the size of the bet following a loss and continuing increasing the bet size
following losses until we have a win. If the entire series is lost, we start over.
Column 5. The number of times we won the Martingale series. Each win is called a
coup, as in “a winning coup.”
Column 6. A running tally of the net amount won or lost.

Bet Sizing:
1. In our example we used 3 as our base bet. You could use 1, 2, 5, 10 or any other bet
size as your base bet so long as it is compatible with the bet limits of the game you are
playing.
2. Your first bet is the base bet of 3. Write the bet down. If the bet loses write down the
losing bet to the right. For example, if you bet 3 and lose the bet you will have written
down 3 3.
3. Add each losing bet to right side of your recorded bets each time there is a loss.
Continuing our example, if you lose another 3 bet, then you will have written down 3 3 3
4. Whenever you have your first winning bet, scratch off the bet on the left hand side of
your recorded bets. If you had written down 3 3 3 and wagered another 3 and won, you
would scratch out the left most recorded bet and you would be left with 3 3 3 .
5. You will always write down the amount of a losing bet to the right of the recorded
bets. You will scratch out the amount or amounts representing a bet won on the left side
of the recorded bets when you win.
6. When starting a coup attempt, you will continue to bet the base or starting bet until
you have a win. With a base bet of 3 you will have written down the following:
3 3 after losing one bet
3 3 3 after losing two bets
3 3 3 3 after losing three bets.
7. After winning a bet and scratching out the amount of the winning bet on the left of the
recorded bets, you will then start betting the total of the first three recorded bets that are
not scratched out. Let’s assume you have the following recorded bets when you win
3 3 3 3 3.
You will scratch out the winning bet, which leaves you with:
3 3 3 3 3
Following this win your next bet will bet the total of the three amounts written on the left.
Here you will bet 3+3+3 = 9. If this bet wins, you will scratch out the amount of the
totally to derive the winning bet and your remaining amounts written down will look like:
3 3 3 3 .
8. Continuing our example, following any win before a coup in completed, you will
continue to bet the sum of the first three amounts written down. After eliminating the
first 3 3 3, as shown above, we are left with one 3. We will still continue to wager the
sum of the first three amounts written down or as many as are still left. Since only one
amount remains, consisting of 3, we will bet 3.
9. Let’s assume we have 3 3 3 3 written down and we bet 3 and win. We scratch out the
first number which leaves us with 3 3 3 3.
Now, since we have had a win, we bet the sum of the first three numbers and bet 9 next.
If we win this bet we will scratch out the first three numbers and have 3 3 3 .
Anytime we have all numbers scratched out we will have won a coup.
If we lose our 9 bet, we will write down the amount of our loss in the last position to the
right and have 3 3 3 9. For our next bet we will again wager the sum of the first three
numbers and bet 9. If this bet wins we will scratch out the amount won and our
remaining bets will look like 3 3 3 9
If we lose the 9 bet, we will write down the amount of the losing bet to the left and have
3 3 3 9 9.
10 . After you have had a win, but before a coup is won, you will always bet the sum of
the first three recorded amounts to the left, or if there are less then three amounts, the sum
of the amounts left. If you have not had a winning bet in this coup attempt you will
continue to bet only the first number until you have had a win.
11. After a losing bet always write the amount lost to the right of the amounts. Following
any win always scratch out the amounts represented the winning bet from the amounts
written on the left of the recorded bet, representing the amount bet.


so this is fischer roulette strategybut it is also not working in rng on (dafabet & indio casino) with the bankroll i already mentioned above

[ausguy]

sri - In the main your plays are compounding the losses & then trying to recover = a kind of SUPER MARTY = high risk & high losses or a fast recovery.
Why play high risk when you don't have to ? Your fischer doesn't look like a viable day to day winner to me ?

I just did some basic Marty plays using bet line 483 as the trigger & a non bet line & the L1 bet @ 1 unit. The bets are on colour & just following the wheel = last spun is next bet (it doesn't need to be colour, it could be High/Low or Odd/Even or even a combination ?) The standard Marty gave + 6 units at bet line 500. The highest bet level risk/win was to L5. A standard Marty with stop loss betting @ L4 gave + 4 units at bet line 500. The highest bet level risk/win was also to L5.

A third standard Marty play was an alternating same & opposite (S & O) method with S starting at bet line 484 (483 being the trigger line) then bet line 485 as O, then 486 as S & so on, gave + 11. The highest risk win/level was to L3. The S/O plays in % win terms was clearly the best.

Of note is that at bet line 500 you are at a loss balance. In my 3 Marty plays they are all in positive balance. 17 bet lines pro rata'd to 500 bet lines for the 3 different Marty plays calc's.

to 4/17 = .2353 unit x 500 = 117 units (stop loss Marty). 6/17 = .3529 unit x 500 = 176 units (standard Marty). 11/17 = .6471 unit x 500 = 323 units (same/opposite Marty). 

As the test sample was only small at 17 bet lines it cannot be definitive testing. Testing the whole 500 or more bet lines & lots of other sessions should show much clearer strike rate patterns. Perhaps the stop loss plays may show their value where strings of losses have wiped out your usual plays ?                                                                                                                                       

[CryptoLogic]

1-casino software identifies the system – not true

2-martingale, fisher, beat roulette- not working and never will

3-casino software will not allow you to win more than 5 - 10% of your deposit- not true

4-and i also found roulettehowtowin – scam

5-RNG roulette casino legally cheat players- not true

6-DOCUMENTED PROOF OF CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE – not true

7-basics of the fischer roulette strategy- not working and never will

  Do not try to beat the table try to beat the wheel !

[CryptoLogic]

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