Questions For Lanky

[MattyMattz]

Hey Lanky,

thanks for the reply, it was great!  I've been going over my charts and noticed that LD might be a better play than JD, so I might just try that next time out, thanks.  I'll show you my recovery system in another post, once I finish this one.  

I liked your point about the LLw killing any Lw pattern that was forming.  I will take that to heart.  I was losing alot because I was trying to play a Lw pattern that really wasn't there.  Thanks again.

@ Advantage.Player - I like your post about betting on the W streaks.  I think I'll try that.  Thanks.  

Lanky - could you explain how you chase the L's??  I'm not familiar with this style and haven't seen any real posts/examples of it in action.

Thanks!
Matt (AKA-Cobber,AKA-Mate, AKA-whatever you want).

[MattyMattz]

Okay, so I'll try and explain the way I've been playing as of late (although I may switch from playing JD to LD shortly).  

I split my notepad down the middle.  On the right I put JD and on the left, JC.  I don't mark the number, just the dozen that comes (or column when needed).


JD                                                                                                JC
1                                                                                                   << I don't mark the Column since I only use JC to recover a  
                                                                                                        loss.  Since there's no loss, I don't record it.
3w
3L
3L
2W (+5)LLw pattern (Lwx1)
3w
3L
3L
1w (+10)LLw pattern (Lwx1)
zero
2w
2L
3w (Lwx3)
1w
2w
3w
1w
1L
1L (-10)Lw pattern disabled. (c1)<< this is recovery marker.          
**I would now mark a c1 in the JC area.

JD                                                                                               JC
                                                                                                  c1 (+2) << the +2 refers to how much I need to recoup.
                                                                                                  1  << is the last column hit, I would now bet on column 2&3
2W (+5,-5 overall)LLw, (Lwx1)                                                       2W +1 << I won, so I mark +1 (still need one more)
3w                                                                                               2L 111(1) << I lost, so I add my bets to the intial 1.
1w                                                                                               3W 11(2) << I won, so I cross of the first number (my last      
                                                                                                                  bet) and now will bet 2 units (the number in the ()  )
2w                                                                                               2w +2 DONE

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That's it in a nutshell.  Kinda hard to show with a post.  Victors old posts explain in much better.  The rules I follow with this recovery system are as follows:
- Always start with a 1 unit bet
- After a loss, always restart with a 1 unit bet
- After 2 losses in a row, don't bet until you get a virtual win.  
- I always increase my bet after a win (1,2,3,4) but won't go higher than 4 units per bet.  
- I don't always add the 2 leftmost numbers.  If my string looked like this : 111223(3), I would bet 3, and if I won, would cross off the 3 or a 2 and 1.  Nothing fancy.

I believe it's based on the Old Laboucher cancellation system... something like that.  Like I said I use the JC as a recovery, but may as well switch to a LC instead.

Feel free to ask for more of an explaination if needed!

Cheers,
Matt

[Lanky]

Just my $0.02

If i get 3 w's in a row i bet the next spin hoping for another w - if its a win that makes 4 w's in a row.

Now i wait for the next spin and if it is another w (making it 5 w's in a row) then i bet on all the next spins until i lose.

Mate

I am sorry that I did not get back to you yesterday.

I spent 4 hours answering other posts Cobber.

Now I am NOT going to tell You how YOU should play it because in the end it's what wins that matters.

However My friend I will Explain why I don't play that Way.

I have seen so many Ls come after the 3rd W that it's not Funny.

In Fact I will do a post on Hunting the Ls shortly & You will see in there that the nolinksL plays a very important part in Me either attacking the Ls or not.....Or it could mean the difference between Winning or Losing while betting the Ls.....It can also FOR ME be the signal to stop betting the Ls if nolinksw come.

There are a lot of similarities between the way that VICTOR & I play.
And there Bloody well should be too seeing He taught Me.

However We both in our patterns bet the 1st W or the 2nd W Or for that matter both.

We also don't bet the 3rd W much.....Well Victor never use too, Things may have changed I don't know??.

There is also a very very important piece of Wisdom that Victor shared about when he starts to bet the W then every 4th bet from there.

He says that if He bets every W then roulette has 100% chance of beating Him.
If He bets every 2nd W then it has a 50% chance of beating Him.
If He bets every 3rd W then it has a 33% chance of beating Him.
If He bets every 4th W then it has a 25% chance of beating Him.
And in fact there's a good chance that roulette might just jump over that chance with a Win.

I took that literally & I sometimes come in on the 5th W & then every 4th spin after that until a loss.

This Way of playing is not for everyone & to be honest I don't play it all the time it depends on the Patterns.

However I thought that I would put the piece of Wisdom here from the Great Man so all could see.

I guess what I am saying is that if I was to pick when to come in on the long run of W's then it would be the 5th W to Win.

That's just ME though....Everyone is different.

And Mate what ever way you chose to play I hope you win with it for a lifetime.

Your Friend

Lanky

[Lanky]

Hey Lanky,

thanks for the reply, it was great!  I've been going over my charts and noticed that LD might be a better play than JD, so I might just try that next time out, thanks.  I'll show you my recovery system in another post, once I finish this one.  

I liked your point about the LLw killing any Lw pattern that was forming.  I will take that to heart.  I was losing alot because I was trying to play a Lw pattern that really wasn't there.  Thanks again.

Good I stopped short of saying that because I wanted you to pick up on it Yourself.
And see that is what You was doing .......the same as coming in on the Lww<<this does not begin FOR ME until the LLw comes first Mate

@ Advantage.Player - I like your post about betting on the W streaks.  I think I'll try that.  Thanks.  

Lanky - could you explain how you chase the L's??  I'm not familiar with this style and haven't seen any real posts/examples of it in action.

Yes I will be doing a post on the Ls in the Implementation thread Soon.
I want to talk this over with Victor 1st

Thanks!
Matt (AKA-Cobber,AKA-Mate, AKA-whatever you want).

Hhahhahha good You have a sense of humour which does My Old Heart Good.

Good On Ya Mate

Lanky

PS I put the agressive example over on the Money/Managenment thread

Under the 6 point divisor Plan

[Lanky]

This is a question asked of Me (Lanky )
I thought I would put it here as it may be a benefit to others
..............................................................................................

Mate

Here is the sample you sent me.


WWLWLWWLW<<see its Lw x 3 here for me so at the next L I will bet to Win WWL[L]<i would lose
[]<then I would bet here for the W to come.

How ever if you look at the pattern you sent me then we can see something else.

WWLWLWWLWWWLL

Just count the Ws after the Ls>>LwLwwLnolinksLL<you can seethat its gone Wx1 Wx2 Wx3.

Now in this case I would take a punt & say that the Ws are about to Come so I would bet them that way.

Mate I am not telling YOU how to play it

I am telling You how I play it.

If You can improve on it by all means go for it Mate.

Its what Patterns suit the player better Mate for that person to bet on .

There is no majic formular.....Just Patterns Mate....

Lanky




Ok, Lanky, I got it!  Thank you very much.
If I can... another question, there is 2 last dozen/column system, isnt it?  one is when we expect to come one of the two las dozen that has appear in the last spins.  and the other is when the 2nd or the 3rd dozen hit?  is that way?

and... can I "invent or create" some system and apply to them the Lw registry?

thats all for today, cheers, and hope you're doing well!
Renzo

[Lanky]

Yes Mate  

You are right.....

Like dozens 1/3 on the LD=Last two dozens..we bet that the same will come again

And I always record them the way they last came like
5 <<last number out=1/3 recorded
25
.................................................................
So now the JD or the Jump Dozen is wher we bet against the last Dozen that came
Like now we bet dozens 2/3 will come after the 5 came out.

Lanky

[Lanky]

ok, Lanky, but is there a system that always bet against the 1º dozen/column?  or it doesn't have sense?

another question Lanky, all these rules or instructions for the patterns apply the some way to the differents systems like JD, LD, JC, LC, etc.?

byebye
Renzo

[Lanky]

ok, Lanky, but is there a system that always bet against the 1º dozen/column?  or it doesn't have sense?

another question Lanky, all these rules or instructions for the patterns apply the some way to the differents systems like JD, LD, JC, LC, etc.?

byebye
Renzo

Mate in future so that the questions & the Answers I give can benefit others.

Please put them over in the Questions for Lanky Page Please.( I have put a few there already)

The 1st part of Your Question confuses Me because it does not matter if you are are playing
LD  LC  JD  JC  << they are all playing against a Dozen Or Column

The 2nd part about the patterns applying to the LD LC JD JC <<yes they apply to them all.

Your Friend Lanky

[Renzo]

Hi Lanky,
i ask if i can use a system that ALWAYS bet against the FIRST dozen or column?  then, when the 1º dozen appear i registry L, & when the 2º or 3º dozen appear i registry W.   Am i clear?

below in this page you said:

"the same as coming in on the Lww<<this does not begin FOR ME until the LLw comes first Mate"

then, you wait for a LLw to come to bet the Lww?

thanks,  Renzo

[Lanky]

Hi Lanky,
i ask if i can use a system that ALWAYS bet against the FIRST dozen or column?  then, when the 1º dozen appear i registry L, & when the 2º or 3º dozen appear i registry W.   Am i clear?

below in this page you said:

"the same as coming in on the Lww<<this does not begin FOR ME until the LLw comes first Mate"

then, you wait for a LLw to come to bet the Lww?

thanks,  Renzo

Yes mate Say this happened.

13 25=dozens=2/3
You Want 2/3 and 5 comes then that an L
you bet 1/2 and 26 comes thats an L
You bet 3/1 and 28 comes thats a W
You Want 3/1 and 13 comes thats an L
You Want 2/3 and 15 comes thats a W
You bet 2/3 and 33 comes thats a W

So Our registry is LL<bet here Win
Now LLw<<we wait
LLwL we still wait
LLwLw<we bet here for the Win

See That mate
LL[w]
Lw[w]

When the LLw comes we bet the 2nd spin after another L comes=W W<we win here

Lanky

[Renzo]

Hi Lanky, Hi Crew!

I'm a bit confused...  I must wait for a  WWW  to enter to chase the Ws, or I need a  WWW x3 (ie. WWWLWWWLWWW)?

In the other hand, chasing the Ls after a  LLWL and another L between 4 spins, I got nothing, just 6 Ws... it is normal?  is there some clue to detect or prevent this before its too late?

thanks in advance & hope you're doing well!
your friend
Renzo

[Lanky]

Hi Lanky, Hi Crew!

I'm a bit confused...  I must wait for a  WWW  to enter to chase the Ws, or I need a  WWW x3 (ie. WWWLWWWLWWW)?

In the other hand, chasing the Ls after a  LLWL and another L between 4 spins, I got nothing, just 6 Ws... it is normal?  is there some clue to detect or prevent this before its too late?

thanks in advance & hope you're doing well!
your friend
Renzo

Hello Mate

Mate you can Chase the Ws however & whenever You want to.

I can only tell what I do.....

In you example here (ie. WWWLWWWLWWW)? I woud Assume that there was an L before before.
So it would be LnolinksLnolinksLw<<See here Lw x 3 times then>ww
I would still wait for another L before I started to bet.

LLwL.......and another L in the next 4 spins.....then..WWWW<< I stop Ls here.Then bet [W]W
Then every 4th spin I bet. Unless the other patterns Form Like LL<<then I bet here for W to come.

Now Look Mate There is no Guarantees in any System Or in any way we Play.

And a lot of people want to learn betting the Ls .......but its not for everyone to bet that way.

Some can Like Victor =LLL<bet Ls=WWW<stop Ls ( sometimes He goes to the 4th bet like me )

The Ls are not for everyone...why ??.....because of the disappointment of losing on them if they don't come....

That's the Chance that Victor & I take & we have to live with the consequences of the losses if they happen.....we know this before We begin to bet the Ls.....

If there was a way to know when to stop betting the Ls when they were going to lose We would all be Millionaires.

There is only one solution that I know of Where you can't lose on the Ls.....( DON'T BET THEM )

I will do a following post on what happened at my last session.

Your Friend

Lanky

[Lanky]

Hi Forum

This is what happened at the last session I played.

I recorded the 1st 20 numbers as usual

12 34 (2) 28 35 22 6 13 3 9 28 35 6 28 35 30 (1) 5 34 26

Now this is the 1st thing I noticed the 2nd dozen has not hit for 12 spins.

So I know its due but when ?? is the Question.

The spins continued
6 26 12 (1)15 << see here 17 spins since the 2nd dozen appeared.

It's a no brainier to work out that that if the 2nd dozen comes a lot then there will be an explosion of Ls on the JD.......Even thought I am recording the LD....I can see that.

Ok so I make the decision that I am going after the 2nd dozen.

But there is something else I want you to see .

If you look back you can see that the Zero 1 2 3 pocket has hit Twice in 8 spins.

Ok so that influences me to attack the 2nd dozen using the 6 point divisor plan with a win target of  13 & take the Zero pocket as well.=6/13=3 to bet

27=6/13=3+1zp=17 Lost
(2)=6/17=3+1zp=21 Lost less 9 back for Zp=11=[2] profit
23=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+2=[7] profit
13=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+7=[12] P
14=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+12=[17] P
24=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+17=[22] P
20=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+22=[27] P
24=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+27=[32] P

Ok so the JD has now gone nolinks LLLLL<the most I have see is 9 Ls in a row.
But I still want to chase the Ls or the 2nd dozen

So I dropped the divisor to 6/7=2

13=6/7=2+1zp=10 Win less 6 back=4=3+32=[35] P
21=6/7=2+1zp=10 Win less 6 back=4=3+35=[38} P
13=6/7=2+1zp=10 Win less 6 back=4=3+38=[41} P
26=6/7=2+1zp=10 Lost

Now look back the Zp has not hit for 10 spins so I drop it.

33=6/10=2=12 Lost
20=6/12=2=14 Won less 6 back=8
32=5/8=2=10 Lost
14=5/10=2=12 Won less 6 back=6=1+41=[42] Profit

I am happy to get my money back again & decide to stop the 2nd dozen betting.

The JD went  nolinks LLLLLLLL wL ww

Now look back the The JC has Gone wLL

5=
Now the JC is wLLL<bet for W to come

27=5x5+1 Z/2=11 Won less 15 back=4+42=[46]
Now LD is LL<bet W to come

30=2x2 Win=2+46=[48] P
26=
25=
Now JD is wLLL<bet W to come

(1)= 5x5+1zp=11 Win less 24 back=13+48=[61] P

Back to the LD its gone LLnolinksw.......So the LLw Pattern is alive
15=L
4=W<now bet W to come for the Lww Pattern
19=W=2x2 Win=2+61=[63} Profit

And I got out of there as fast as I could.
Those type of sessions don't happen that often....But I will take them when they do.


You friend

Lanky

[Renzo]

Hi Mate we will continue from here.

I don't chase as many of the W's in a row as some people might think.

I do...but I like to see them come off the Lw pattern
Or the LLw pattern X 2 or 3 times its a at the time thing & how the patterns are running.

I am always aware that I mostly stop after 2 loseing bets on the Ws.

So here is the reason.....wLL<<I stop here mostly when chaseing the W's

But if I come in after the 1st LL<I bet here for the W to form.(if its an L then I am on the lookout for hunting the Ls from there Mate)

Its a money & percentages sort of thing with Me .

Like If I am chaseing the W's & it goes wLLL then I have lost 1x1 2x2 & 3x3=12 units lost

Where as If its After the 1st (L)
Like LLL it have gone 1x1 2x2=6 lost units.....100% less lost units then the above example.

Now don't get me wrong I have big Balls too if I need to use them in betting.

Its just that I try to minimise when that event will take place.

I have the 6 point divisor plan & its really designed to win what you want in 6 winning bets.

I will do a very agressive betting run here for You just as soon as you share the way you bet.
and how you have tweaked or modified Victors way.

Don't worry about the bets going high in the example you give us all.

Because when I do mine I will be betting a heck of a lot higer then usual Mate.

Keep in mind that on every loss, I use my modified version of Victors recovery system to win back my 2 lost units, so I'd actually be up more than 10 units.  It's been very effective for me so far (in real casino's and online).  What I'm curious about is how to recognize the W streaks.  I believe I read in an old post by you that you look for a LwLwwLnolinksLLnolinksw... something like that, where the W's keep growing between the L's.

Yes You are exactly right Mate.....its the position of the 4th L the matters here like

LwLwwLnolinksL<<yes I would be prepared to Chase the W's from here

 Personnally, I start betting on the W streaks when I have 3 w's x 3.  ex:  nolinksLnolinksLLnolinks(w) << I'd start betting now, as I have seen consistant W's as of late... just an idea I've been playing with.

Yes And It seems a very good Idea too But as I can't see what the patterns were before it I can't really give you any advice on it Mate......Like if there were a LL at the start of that then I would not take it.

Your obviously a person with a talent for this type of play & I hope you continue on your merry way & if I can be of any help in the future.....just ask Mate

Thanks for all your insight in past posts.  Your knowledge (along with so many others) is invaluable!

Cheers,
Matt

PS - I hope this post makes sense... it's taken me 3 days to write it!

hhahah I know all about that Mate this is the 4th reply I have done today.....lol

Ps Don't forget to put your betting plan here for all to see Cobber.

Your Friend

Lanky

Hi Lanky!  Hi Matt!
how youre doing?

I have a question to you:
you think its better ignore the 3º W and the nexts for protect the bankroll, isnt it?
do you have tried to bet the 3º W and all the W to come in a decrescendo plan betting, like a inversed progression? Im trying it, and for now its works for me... When the L comes i lost the minimum, and i have a benefit from all the Ws.

I wait your comments.
Regards,
Renzo

[Lanky]

Hi Renzo

Mate its really up to you to do what works for you.

I Can Only be of help in as Much as that I show people Like Yourself What & How I play the Lw Method.

I Learnt from [highlight]Victor.[/highlight]

Then I tweaked it or should I say changed it a little to what suited Me.

You may like a W pattern more then I do.

Then again I may Like the LLw pattern better then most people do.....

One of our Friends & Member here.

Denno.....Flat bets the LLw Pattern.

He Is a real good Bloke & I hope that it works for Him for a Lifetime.

In Fact Denno & I Might be meeting at Star City Casino on the 22nd of December if  He & His Wife Can Make It.

I hope so. They are good people.
And We will have  Good time together.

So Renzo You See Cobber I am Only telling You what I do Mate ....Now that Might not suit You to do that....but like Denno & Lohnro & Digf & Matty & Maltezan & Compar & Others I Hope.

Just so Long as we do not stray too far away from the Bases of what [highlight]Victor[/highlight] Taught.
Then we will be OK.



You can take any or all that I do & either split it all into little bits or find a particular part that suits You
More.

Something that You can see will work in conjunction with what You want to do & make a success out of it Mate.

Now Renzo My Mate I will try & answer a Question You asked before about Victor's Personal Registry.

Lets take this Example

And say that Victor bet them this way.

Marked with a [ ]

So The Lw registry below would look like this.

LwLwLwL[w]wwL[w]wwL[w]wwL[L][w]LL[w]

His personal registry Below would look like this.

W W W L W W << get it Mate these are His records of the 6 bets He has had.
Which Is Called the Personal Registry.

I Hope I have been some help to You mate.

If at anytime that You Or others have any questions of Me just ask & I will do My best to give you the answer that you are after.

Believe it or not I try & answer any Question as clearly as I possibly can.

However because we all Speak different Languages sometimes that doe not come across as clearly as some would like.

Let me say This Mate.

With Me its Not about How much I Win .

Its About How Much I Don't Lose That Matters.


Your Friend

Lanky

[Lanky]

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