Hi People
If There are any questions for me.
Please out them here
Lanky
These were Questions that Sam asked Me on the 18 august 2007
And I will put them here as I would Hate to Lose Them
I think That They explain a lot about how I play Victor's Lw Method
TwoCatSam wrote:
Lanky
Just for kicks, were you playing the the dozens or a combination of dozens and columns?
I played the LD on this day (The last 2 dozens to come)
Do you always wait 20 spins before entering the game?
Like Victor I try to be there early,I am nearly always the 1st one there & the 20 numbers are there from the night before
So I record them to see this small sample history of what happened.
Victor once said that we don't know what happened at roulette while we were not there & we may be on the verge of the greatest winning or loseing run ever ( I took that to mean Ws & Ls)
And that has stuck in my head & I believe that it does give me an advantage.
If its later in the day & its already being played I will still record the last 20 numbers & work them out tha same & by the time I get that done there may have been another 3,4 or 5 further spins go by which I have to get up to date.
(Just a note here when I am playing Air Ball Roulette they only ever give the last 7 numbers.So us doing the recording have an enormouse advantage over those that don,t
In the recorded 20 spins, you had LLwwL. Would this normally be the L-trigger to tell you to start betting L?
No...Its LLwL<that is the alert not LLwwL you can have LLwL<alert then L<trigger start betting then LwwL
On that day I used what I have found to be the best signal along with the LLL to use.
And that signal is when the LD goes LLwL<Is the Alert. Another L within the next 4 spins I then bet the the Ls.
(Note: You can see that I am useing the words on that day.Thats because I am answering your question on what happed on the day. Lohnro & I have been kicking ideas around with eachother on the JD & I have since got better at it.but what I did that day still works.
Go to the first word "ALERT"
"<ALERT Ls may be comeing" "bet the Ls if spun within 4 spins" I am unclear. Do you look for 2 Ls out of the last four
spins in any order, OR do you look for 2 Ls out of the last five spins in any order?
I think I covered that above anyhow to be sure lets do it again.
LLwL<is the alert then any L comeing within 4 spins I then start backing the Ls
Define Pattern 2 once again. Is it LLwLLwLLw three in a row? Or LLwLLw 2 in a row? OR can it be LLwLww? In other words, are we seeking the second w after the L and we don't care if L or w was in between the two?
Ok my/our winning pattern No#2 on the Ws is as you say LLwLLwLLw three in a row but thats only if its on its own
Remember that it can be intermingled with pattern No#1
And You & I & others now bet when it goes LL<for the W to form here right my mate ??
Useing the patterns you put above we will do them for the Ws only then we will do them for Ls ok mate?
1.(Ws)=LL[w]LL[w]LL[w]..............now Ls= LLwL<alert. L<trigger bet the Ls>[w][L][L][w]
2.(Ws)=LL[w]LL[w]......................now Ls=LLwL<alert. L<trigger bet the Ls>[w] & witing for next spin etc
3.(Ws)=LL[w]Lw[w].....................now Ls=LLwL<alert. no trigger yet>ww<still no trigger waiting for L in next 2 spins.
Lanky
Hello Lanky. I'm posting 2 virtual Sessions from Dublinbet with a 500# bankroll, implementing the Lw:s in this way:
I very much appreciate any input and good advice :) I hope it's a clear explanation, otherwise of course dont hesitate to ask .
Ok, here we go:
SESSION 1:
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OK. Here i base the Lw-strategy on the last two dozens:
Determing the last two Dozens:
26-
2
13- 1/3 L (betting 1/3)
6- 1/3 w (betting 1/2)
33- 1/2 L (betting 1/3)
28- 1/3 w (betting 1/3 again)
35- 1/3 w (starting virtual play)
2- 1/3 w
0 zero L (continuing vp in 1/3 doz)
16- 1/3 L (betting 1/3 again)
15- 1/3 L (now betting 1/2 with progression 2)
8- 1/2 w (betting 1/2 again)
21- 1/2 w (starting virtual play, waiting for a L)
1- 1/2 w
19- 1/2 w (going for the w:s here)
13- 1/2 w (betting 1/2 again)
30- 1/2 L (betting 1/2 again with progression 2)
10- 1/2 w (betting 1/3)
36- 1/3 w (betting 1/3 again)
32- 1/3 w (vp)
17- 1/3 L (betting 1/3 again)
10- 1/3 w (now betting 1/2)
27- 1/2 L (betting 1/2 again with progression 3)
0 (betting 1/2 again)
29- 1/2 L -80 units here (now betting 1/3)
13- 1/3 L -100 units. Here i stop
14- (vp)
2. (betting 2/3 here)
32- 2/3 w +100 units
21- 2/3 w (vp)
2- 2/3 L (betting 2/3 again)
13- 2/3 w +50 units (vp here)
25- 1/2 L (betting 1/2 here)
30- 1/2 L (now betting 2/3 progression 3)
13- 2/3 w (betting 2/3)
22- 2/3 w (Stopped and bankroll Evened up here.)
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SESSION 2: Here i consequently go for the 2 Dozens that NOT showed up in a spin
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Determing Dozens:
1--
29
Since 29 is in Dozen 3, i play Doz 1/2 here:
10 1/2 w (now betting 2/3)
11 1/2 L (now betting 2/3)
29 2/3 w (now betting 1/2)
15 1/2 w (now betting 1/3)
32 1/3 w (now betting 1/2)
21 1/2 w (now betting 1/3)
10 1/3 w (now betting 2/3)
22 2/3 w (now betting 1/3)
20 1/3 L (betting 1/3 again) ..and so on..
34 1/3 w + 50 units
5 1/2 w
18 2/3 w
17 1/3 L
32 1/3 w +25 units
24 1/2 w
19 1/3 L
13 1/3 L -50 units (here i stop and wait for a new pattern)
14 no bet
19 no bet
14 no bet
31 no bet
21 1/2 w
35 1/3 w
32 1/2 L
13 1/2 w +25 units (New Dealer here and looked what happened:)
24 1/2 L Stopped prior to the L:s with in all +50 unit profit this session.
17 1/2 L
18 1/2 L
17 1/2 L
23 1/2 L
No Questions from me here Lanky just a BIG [smiley=dankk2.gif]
You are keeping it simple and thankfully even me, not the sharpest tool in the box
can understand it ALL !!! [smiley=grin.gif]
Keep those lessons coming please.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Take it easy.....
P.S. Any chance you can give a Profit / Loss breakdown when you use actual sessions :-/
QuoteHello Lanky. I'm posting 2 virtual Sessions from Dublinbet with a 500# bankroll, implementing the Lw:s in this way:
I very much appreciate any input and good advice :) I hope it's a clear explanation, otherwise of course dont hesitate to ask .
Ok, here we go:
SESSION 1:
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OK. Here i base the Lw-strategy on the last two dozens:
Determing the last two Dozens:
Congrats on having a go at the Lw Method
However I am a Little confused with the way you laid this out Mate.
Because you say you are betting the LD=or the last 2 dozens to come.In the 1st session
I will do it Here using the Your exact numbers
Only I will lay it out My Way...OK Mate
Also You have not outlaid how you are betting
But we will deal with that Later
I did see where you were a 100 up & yet you last told me you only had a 400 pond bank.
Now Mate that means that you were up 25% on starting bank & the Bank was then 500.
I would have to play about 8 to 10 sessions to get that sort of percentage rise on My Bank.
I try for between 2 to 4 % win on any one session.
OK I am Not Knocking You.....I am just explaining that you are a disaster waiting to happen.
However You might be one of these lucky guys that get away with it for a very very long time.
Its evident that You have Big Balls & I am sorry Mate but in roulette that is not enough unless you have a Big Bank to go with it.
OK so what I need to do is get Your Balls in order.....Lets try to keep you in the game longer with trying to win 7.5% per winning session that's 30 pounds at a time.
I think that's still way too high.
However I don't think you will accept any thing less then 60 ponds per session which would be 15%
I will mark the bets as I see them doing it My way.
However I will begin the betting on the Ls using Victors trigger of LLL
But I will use My way of ending the Ls of WWWW
Then You can tell me what you want to do regarding the percentage that you want to win.
26-
2=1/3 << we now bet for dozens 1 & 3 to come up right ??
13-2/1=L <<we lose here because the 2nd dozen came & we now want the 2/1 dozens to come
6-1/2=W
33-3/1=L
28-3/1=W
35-3/1=W
2-1/3=W
0 zero L
16- 2/1=L
15- 2/1=W << bet Win
8-1/2=W
21-2/1=W
1- 1/2 W
19- 2/1=W << bet win
13- 2/1=W
30- 3/2=L
10- 1/3=L
36- 3/1=W << bet win
32- 3/1=W
17- 2/3=L
10- 1/2=L
27- 3/1=L << bet lose
0 =0 L <<bet Lose
29-3/1=W <<bet Lose
13- 2/3=L <<bet win
14- 2/3=W <<bet lose
2 - 1/2=L << bet win
32- 3/1=L << bet win
21- 2/3=L << bet win
2- 1/2=L << bet win
13- 2/1=W <<bet lose[/b](only a greedy fool would bet past here knowing the session was about to end) [/color][/color]
25- 3/2=L
30-3/2=W
13- 2/3=W
22- 2/3=W
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SESSION 2: Here i consequently go for the 2 Dozens that NOT showed up in a spin
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Determing Dozens:
Ok This Part is easy Because You have done it the exact way that The JD=Jump dozen should be.
However I will still do it My way.......its easier to see Mate
1--
29
Since 29 is in Dozen 3, i play Doz 1/2 here:
10 =W
11 =L
29 =W
15 =W
32 =W
21 =W
10 =W <<bet win
22 =W
20 =L
34 =W
5 =W <<bet win
18 =W
17 =L
32 =W = Lw X 3 bet W after next L
24 =W
19 =L
13 =L << bet lost
14 =L <<bet lost
19 =L <<bet win
14 =L <<bet win
31 =W <<bet lost
21 =W <<bet lost
35 =W <<bet lost
32 =L <<bet win
13 =W <<bet lost
24=L << bet win From here I would only bet until the 1st W came that makes us lose
17 =L <<bet win
18 =L <<bet win
17 =L <<bet win
23 =L <<bet win
Your Friend
Lanky
QuoteNo Questions from me here Lanky just a BIG [smiley=dankk2.gif]
You are keeping it simple and thankfully even me, not the sharpest tool in the box
can understand it ALL !!! [smiley=grin.gif]
Keep those lessons coming please.... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Take it easy.....
P.S. Any chance you can give a Profit / Loss breakdown when you use actual sessions :-/
Hello My Mate
Good to see you Cobber
Is this what You meant Mate ??
I have played the Lw Method since April this Year.
I have played 67 sessions
I have lost 1 session (My stupid Bloody fault)
Finished even 4 sessions
And won 62 sessions which equals 44 units won per session
Take the 1 lost & the 4 even sessions out & I have won 47.6 units per session
I started with a 2000 unit Bank which is now 4952=147.6% profit on starting Bank
I hope this is what You wanted Mate.
Lanky
.............................................................
By the way Mate people don't know how clever You are with the 12 number sections.
A La Solitudes Way
I would consider it an honour if you would share that in the System section Cobber.
Your Mate
Lanky
WoW bit scary that I was just about to email you [smiley=shocked.gif]
Re Lw
You bet $5 on 2 dozens Correct ?
If it's a loss you then bet $10 on 2 dozens Yeah ?
So what bankroll do you use to play these values & win your 2 / 3 %
Re A La Solitude Way got my arse kicked a couple of times... [smiley=sad.gif]
As I said to you before at the moment, people cannot download the PDF file from his website, As soon as they can I will post my many many results... [smiley=grin.gif]
I will then try :-? and do what you VLS and Sam do, that is find sometime to help others.....
& the honour would be all mine [smiley=wink.gif]
Hope thing are good with you and life is treating you well.....
Cheers.... [smiley=beer.gif]
Oh sod it Lanky I will post it now, give something back... [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Xman & I have spoke about this in the Chat room.
I would not like anyone to think I don't answer the Posts
Lanky
QuoteHi People
If There are any questions for me.
Please out them here
Lanky
Hello Lanky, nice to meet you!
first at all, sorry my bad english... and i am a newbie in this matter of roullette and gambling, but i consider it a apassionating thing. for this time i have read some of yours posts, and also from Victor, the teacher.
i have think a tecnic or tactic for betting... and i want you or Victor to consider or testing... so you can evaluate based on your experience and knowledge, and say if its a good and safe one or not.
here we go... for this time i have practice the jump dozen, well, in the Win trend i obviously bet to WWWW, and when a L comes i change and bet 1 to an another L, then if i lose -a W comes by- i return to W mode. the in the next L i bet again to a L with a progression between 1,5 to 2, depending of the certainly level i have in this point. also, i check the patterns along the timeline and for example, i ride the loops WLWL to the rhytm of the beat...
its obvious that a repeated WLW pattern for 8, 9 or more times consecutive, will destroy this tactic and my money reserve.
then, for your experience how often will this occur?
another ajust for turn this more safety y to "cut" the progression if after 5 or 6 tries this doesnt work, and assume the lost.
i have read, more or less, your 6 point betting, but i dont undestand it so much... may be i have to read it more slowly and focus...
well, thats all friends for my first attempt to make contact in this new space and topic, at least for me...
receive a huge hug from this corner of the world...
Renzo
Renzo, welcome.
In my "framework":
- Three (3) of any pattern = enable.
- Two losses in a row = Disable.
- Win/Lose zigzag = Disable too.
For instance, for the w's, after nolinks = enable.
I leave it enabled until LL (two losses in a row) or LwLwL "zigzag".
This allows me for instance, to take advantage of good times like: nolinkswLnolinkswLnolinksLnolinkswLnolinks which are seen often.
Regarding Lanky's 6-point plan, he stated he uses:
1&1 - First try.
2&2 - Second try.
Then he add this to the 6-point plan.
I think I have grasped the based concept of the 6-point, but it is Lanky who knows the "tricks". I can only help with the basic idea.
Best regards Renzo and welcome to the crew.
Victor.
Hey Lanky,
I'd like to go over your style of play in regards to the Lw strategy. From what I know/have learned, I play the Lw strategy more like you do than Victor, so I thought I'd run it by you and ask a few questions about when you bet in regards to long W's patterns (what to look for). I use the JD method. I also use a version of Victors "Left Most" Recovery system on the columns to recover any loss. I've been playing this method for about a month straight and haven't had a losing session yet. I play 5$ units and stop after winning 10 units. My bankroll was 2000$, so I figure winning 50$ a day should be feisable (so far it is).
Let's have a quick look at the following list of dozens (I track the dozen only, not the number).
Dozen/Lw
3
3L
1W << Lw x 1 << Like you, I wait till the pattern reaches 3
3W <<(+5) << I bet on the LLw/Lww pattern right off the bat, so it's a win.
3L
1W << Lw x 2
2W << (+10)
1W
1L
1L
3W << (+15) Lwx3 (start betting on Lw pattern)
2W
1W
3W << would you start betting here, due to the increase in W's? This is were I'm having problems.
1W
1L
3W
3L
2W << (+20)
2L<< (-10, +10 overall) LLW/Lww pattern disabled
1W << (+15)
1L
1L << (-10,+5 overall) Lw pattern disabled
2W << LLW/Lww pattern active
1W
2W
3W
3L
2W << Lwx1
1W << (+10)
2W
3W
zero << I don't play the zero pocket (your thought?) I ignore it. If it losses, it losses...
3L
3L
2W << (+15) Lwx2
1W
2w
1w
1L
1L
1L << (-10, +5 overall) LLw pattern disabled
1L
2W << Lwx3
3W << LLW/Lww pattern active
1W
2W
2L
1W << (+10)
3W << (+15)
2W
3w
1w
1L
2W << (+20)
2L << (-10, +10 overall) LLw/Lww pattern disabled
3W << (+15)
zero
2W << LLw/Lww pattern active
3w
3l
2w << (+20)
1w << (+25)
1L
3W << (+30)
1W << (+35)
1L
3W << (+40)
2W << (+45)
1W
1L
3W << (+50)
zero
Keep in mind that on every loss, I use my modified version of Victors recovery system to win back my 2 lost units, so I'd actually be up more than 10 units. It's been very effective for me so far (in real casino's and online). What I'm curious about is how to recognize the W streaks. I believe I read in an old post by you that you look for a LwLwwLnolinksLLnolinksw... something like that, where the W's keep growing between the L's. Personnally, I start betting on the W streaks when I have 3 w's x 3. ex: nolinksLnolinksLLnolinks(w) << I'd start betting now, as I have seen consistant W's as of late... just an idea I've been playing with.
Thanks for all your insight in past posts. Your knowledge (along with so many others) is invaluable!
Cheers,
Matt
PS - I hope this post makes sense... it's taken me 3 days to write it!
Just my $0.02
If i get 3 w's in a row i bet the next spin hoping for another w - if its a win that makes 4 w's in a row.
Now i wait for the next spin and if it is another w (making it 5 w's in a row) then i bet on all the next spins until i lose.
QuoteQuoteHi People
If There are any questions for me.
Please out them here
Lanky
Hello Lanky, nice to meet you!
Nice to Meet You to My Friend
first at all, sorry my bad english... and i am a newbie in this matter of roullette and gambling, but i consider it a apassionating thing. for this time i have read some of yours posts, and also from Victor, the teacher.
Never worry about the english mate.we will work out what You are saying.
Victor is much better at this then Me Mate.
I am only the student.
i have think a tecnic or tactic for betting... and i want you or Victor to consider or testing... so you can evaluate based on your experience and knowledge, and say if its a good and safe one or not.
here we go... for this time i have practice the jump dozen, well, in the Win trend i obviously bet to WWWW, and when a L comes i change and bet 1 to an another L, then if i lose -a W comes by- i return to W mode. the in the next L i bet again to a L with a progression between 1,5 to 2, depending of the certainly level i have in this point. also, i check the patterns along the timeline and for example, i ride the loops WLWL to the rhytm of the beat...
its obvious that a repeated WLW pattern for 8, 9 or more times consecutive, will destroy this tactic and my money reserve.
then, for your experience how often will this occur?
My Friend I would not bet against the Lw Loop Its a very dangerouse thing to do.
It goes aginst the Lw Pattern where we win after the L comes.
Unless I am betting the Ls to be the winner..(this part my confuse You at this stage in your learning)
I would either Stop as Victor says one the LwLwL......
I win an a very lot of bets waiting for the L to come & then betting the To W to win for 2 bets.
another ajust for turn this more safety y to "cut" the progression if after 5 or 6 tries this doesnt work, and assume the lost.
i have read, more or less, your 6 point betting, but i dont undestand it so much... may be i have to read it more slowly and focus...
I think That a persons betting is a personal thing that suits the player.
However if you learn the Divisor it will manage your money for You
Yes that would be a good idea for you to try & learn the 6 point divisor plan
IF you learn it you will love it Mate.
I bet 1x1 then 2x2 if both lose I put the 6 lost units into a divisor which has its own win target of 7.
So it would be 6 lost added to 7 win target would be=13
Like this 6/13=3 to bet...if you are betting on the both dozens then of course it would be 3x3
well, thats all friends for my first attempt to make contact in this new space and topic, at least for me...
receive a huge hug from this corner of the world...
Thank You so Much You are a good person........Lanky
Renzo
QuoteRenzo, welcome.
In my "framework":
- Three (3) of any pattern = enable.
- Two losses in a row = Disable.
- Win/Lose zigzag = Disable
Regarding Lanky's 6-point plan, he stated he uses:
1&1 - First try.
2&2 - Second try.
Then he add this to the 6-point plan.
I think I have grasped the based concept of the 6-point, but it is Lanky who knows the "tricks". I can only help with the basic idea.
You got it By them big Balls of Yours Mate......LMAO
Lanky
QuoteHey Lanky,
I'd like to go over your style of play in regards to the Lw strategy. From what I know/have learned, I play the Lw strategy more like you do than Victor, so I thought I'd run it by you and ask a few questions about when you bet in regards to long W's patterns (what to look for). I use the JD method. I also use a version of Victors "Left Most" Recovery system on the columns to recover any loss. I've been playing this method for about a month straight and haven't had a losing session yet. I play 5$ units and stop after winning 10 units. My bankroll was 2000$, so I figure winning 50$ a day should be feisable (so far it is).
Congratulations Mate That is Fantastic.......Good Man You obviously have a grasp on it all right.
Let's have a quick look at the following list of dozens (I track the dozen only, not the number).
Ok because you are only betting the W's So will I to the Letter
Dozen/Lw
3
3L
1W << Lw x 1 << Like you, I wait till the pattern reaches 3 << Good
3W <<(+5) << I bet on the LLw/Lww pattern right off the bat, so it's a win.
I have never thought of doing this. I think that it could work for You And work against you depending on the patterns.
If it was LL<<then I would bet because tha wins somewhere between 85 to 90 % of the time.
But I have no percentages on the Lww before the LLw comes.
I will tell you why I don't do it .
Victor once told me something like this.
1 time was an event.
2 times was a coincidence.
3 times was a pattern
That has stuck in My head ever since & I follow it to the letter except for the LL<<bet here fo the W.
However you certainly know what your doing & if it works for you then do it Mate.
Who know this might be just the tweak that improves things for us all.
I will look over some old records & see what I come up with and get back to you.
The difference is that I mainly play the LD...& I use the JD & the JC much like you do for xtra units or a recovery chance.
3L
1W << Lw x 2
2W << (+10)
1W
1L
1L
3[W] << (+15) Lwx3 (start betting on Lw pattern) << I bet here
What I see here is that the LLw pattern just killed the Lw pattern.....So the LLW pattern is alive & we start to retrack the Lw x 1 from here
2W
1W
3W << would you start betting here, due to the increase in W's? This is were I'm having problems.
As I have said in the past we all differ in our opinions on when to bet.
But as far as I am concerned I see only the LLw..pattern alive to here.
I am very wary after the LLw pattern comes....I am not saying not to do it but in this case I would not.
1W
1L
3W
3[L] << I bet here & the LLw pattern is killed by the LwL pattern
2W<< (+20)
And now that the Lw x3 is alive.
2L<< (-10, +10 overall) LLW/Lww pattern disabled
1[W] << (+15) <<I bet here
1L
1[L] << (-10,+5 overall) Lw pattern disabled <<good <<I bet Here
2[W] << LLW/Lww pattern active <<Good << I bet here
1W
2W
3W
3L
2W << Lwx1
1[W] << (+10) <<I bet Here
2W
3W
zero << I don't play the zero pocket (your thought?) I ignore it. If it losses, it losses...
3L
3L
2W << (+15) Lwx2 << Ibet here & its Lw x1
1W
2w
1w
1L
1L
1[L] << (-10, +5 overall) LLw pattern disabled <<Yes I bet Here
1L
2W << Lwx3 <<Lw x 1
3W << LLW/Lww pattern active
1W
2W
2L
1W << (+10) <<Lw x 2
3W << (+15)
2W
3w
1w
1L
2W << (+20) <<Lw x 3<<bet w after next L
2L << (-10, +10 overall) LLw/Lww pattern disabled
3[W] << (+15) <<I bet Here
zero
2W << LLw/Lww pattern active
3w
3L
2[w] << (+20) <<I bet Here
1w << (+25)
1L
3[W] << (+30) << I bet Here
1W << (+35)
1L
3[W] << (+40) <<I bet Here
2W << (+45)
1W
1L
3[W] << (+50) <<I bet here
zero
Ok I have had 13 bets for 10 wins & 3 losses.=77% winners
And they went like this & seeing you were betting $5 units so will I
w=5x5=win=[5] profit
L=5x5 lost
w=10x10 won even & a crry over profit of [5]
L=5x5 lost
w=10x10 won even & a carry over profit of [5]
w=5x5 won=5+5=[10]
w=5x5 won=5+10=[15]
L=5x5 lost
w=10x10 won even & a carry over profit of [15]
w=5x5 won=5+15=[20]
w=5x5 won=5+20=[25]
w=5x5 won=5+25=[30]
w=5x5 won=5+30=[35] over all Profit
I am running out of the maximum words allowed so I will explain mor in a following post Mate
Lanky
Keep in mind that on every loss, I use my modified version of Victors recovery system to win back my 2 lost units, so I'd actually be up more than 10 units. It's been very effective for me so far (in real casino's and online). What I'm curious about is how to recognize the W streaks. I believe I read in an old post by you that you look for a LwLwwLnolinksLLnolinksw... something like that, where the W's keep growing between the L's. Personnally, I start betting on the W streaks when I have 3 w's x 3. ex: nolinksLnolinksLLnolinks(w) << I'd start betting now, as I have seen consistant W's as of late... just an idea I've been playing with.
Thanks for all your insight in past posts. Your knowledge (along with so many others) is invaluable!
Cheers,
Matt
PS - I hope this post makes sense... it's taken me 3 days to write it!
Hi Mate we will continue from here.
I don't chase as many of the W's in a row as some people might think.
I do...but I like to see them come off the Lw pattern
Or the LLw pattern X 2 or 3 times its a at the time thing & how the patterns are running.
I am always aware that I mostly stop after 2 loseing bets on the Ws.
So here is the reason.....wLL<<I stop here mostly when chaseing the W's
But if I come in after the 1st LL<I bet here for the W to form.(if its an L then I am on the lookout for hunting the Ls from there Mate)
Its a money & percentages sort of thing with Me .
Like If I am chaseing the W's & it goes wLLL then I have lost 1x1 2x2 & 3x3=12 units lost
Where as If its After the 1st (L)
Like LLL it have gone 1x1 2x2=6 lost units.....100% less lost units then the above example.
Now don't get me wrong I have big Balls too if I need to use them in betting.
Its just that I try to minimise when that event will take place.
I have the 6 point divisor plan & its really designed to win what you want in 6 winning bets.
I will do a very agressive betting run here for You just as soon as you share the way you bet.
and how you have tweaked or modified Victors way.
Don't worry about the bets going high in the example you give us all.
Because when I do mine I will be betting a heck of a lot higer then usual Mate.
Keep in mind that on every loss, I use my modified version of Victors recovery system to win back my 2 lost units, so I'd actually be up more than 10 units. It's been very effective for me so far (in real casino's and online). What I'm curious about is how to recognize the W streaks. I believe I read in an old post by you that you look for a LwLwwLnolinksLLnolinksw... something like that, where the W's keep growing between the L's.
Yes You are exactly right Mate.....its the position of the 4th L the matters here like
LwLwwLnolinksL<<yes I would be prepared to Chase the W's from here
Personnally, I start betting on the W streaks when I have 3 w's x 3. ex: nolinksLnolinksLLnolinks(w) << I'd start betting now, as I have seen consistant W's as of late... just an idea I've been playing with.
Yes And It seems a very good Idea too But as I can't see what the patterns were before it I can't really give you any advice on it Mate......Like if there were a LL at the start of that then I would not take it.
Your obviously a person with a talent for this type of play & I hope you continue on your merry way & if I can be of any help in the future.....just ask Mate
Thanks for all your insight in past posts. Your knowledge (along with so many others) is invaluable!
Cheers,
Matt
PS - I hope this post makes sense... it's taken me 3 days to write it!
hhahah I know all about that Mate this is the 4th reply I have done today.....lol
Ps Don't forget to put your betting plan here for all to see Cobber.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hey Lanky,
thanks for the reply, it was great! I've been going over my charts and noticed that LD might be a better play than JD, so I might just try that next time out, thanks. I'll show you my recovery system in another post, once I finish this one.
I liked your point about the LLw killing any Lw pattern that was forming. I will take that to heart. I was losing alot because I was trying to play a Lw pattern that really wasn't there. Thanks again.
@ Advantage.Player - I like your post about betting on the W streaks. I think I'll try that. Thanks.
Lanky - could you explain how you chase the L's?? I'm not familiar with this style and haven't seen any real posts/examples of it in action.
Thanks!
Matt (AKA-Cobber,AKA-Mate, AKA-whatever you want).
Okay, so I'll try and explain the way I've been playing as of late (although I may switch from playing JD to LD shortly).
I split my notepad down the middle. On the right I put JD and on the left, JC. I don't mark the number, just the dozen that comes (or column when needed).
JD JC
1 << I don't mark the Column since I only use JC to recover a
loss. Since there's no loss, I don't record it.
3w
3L
3L
2W (+5)LLw pattern (Lwx1)
3w
3L
3L
1w (+10)LLw pattern (Lwx1)
zero
2w
2L
3w (Lwx3)
1w
2w
3w
1w
1L
1L (-10)Lw pattern disabled. (c1)<< this is recovery marker.
**I would now mark a c1 in the JC area.
JD JC
c1 (+2) << the +2 refers to how much I need to recoup.
1 << is the last column hit, I would now bet on column 2&3
2W (+5,-5 overall)LLw, (Lwx1) 2W +1 << I won, so I mark +1 (still need one more)
3w 2L 111(1) << I lost, so I add my bets to the intial 1.
1w 3W 11(2) << I won, so I cross of the first number (my last
bet) and now will bet 2 units (the number in the () )
2w 2w +2 DONE
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That's it in a nutshell. Kinda hard to show with a post. Victors old posts explain in much better. The rules I follow with this recovery system are as follows:
- Always start with a 1 unit bet
- After a loss, always restart with a 1 unit bet
- After 2 losses in a row, don't bet until you get a virtual win.
- I always increase my bet after a win (1,2,3,4) but won't go higher than 4 units per bet.
- I don't always add the 2 leftmost numbers. If my string looked like this : 111223(3), I would bet 3, and if I won, would cross off the 3 or a 2 and 1. Nothing fancy.
I believe it's based on the Old Laboucher cancellation system... something like that. Like I said I use the JC as a recovery, but may as well switch to a LC instead.
Feel free to ask for more of an explaination if needed!
Cheers,
Matt
QuoteJust my $0.02
If i get 3 w's in a row i bet the next spin hoping for another w - if its a win that makes 4 w's in a row.
Now i wait for the next spin and if it is another w (making it 5 w's in a row) then i bet on all the next spins until i lose.
Mate
I am sorry that I did not get back to you yesterday.
I spent 4 hours answering other posts Cobber.
Now I am NOT going to tell You how YOU should play it because in the end it's what wins that matters.
However My friend I will Explain why I don't play that Way.
I have seen so many Ls come after the 3rd W that it's not Funny.
In Fact I will do a post on Hunting the Ls shortly & You will see in there that the nolinksL plays a very important part in Me either attacking the Ls or not.....Or it could mean the difference between Winning or Losing while betting the Ls.....It can also FOR ME be the signal to stop betting the Ls if nolinksw come.
There are a lot of similarities between the way that VICTOR & I play.
And there Bloody well should be too seeing He taught Me.
However We both in our patterns bet the 1st W or the 2nd W Or for that matter both.
We also don't bet the 3rd W much.....Well Victor never use too, Things may have changed I don't know??.
There is also a very very important piece of Wisdom that Victor shared about when he starts to bet the W then every 4th bet from there.
He says that if He bets every W then roulette has 100% chance of beating Him.
If He bets every 2nd W then it has a 50% chance of beating Him.
If He bets every 3rd W then it has a 33% chance of beating Him.
If He bets every 4th W then it has a 25% chance of beating Him.
And in fact there's a good chance that roulette might just jump over that chance with a Win.
I took that literally & I sometimes come in on the 5th W & then every 4th spin after that until a loss.
This Way of playing is not for everyone & to be honest I don't play it all the time it depends on the Patterns.
However I thought that I would put the piece of Wisdom here from the Great Man so all could see.
I guess what I am saying is that if I was to pick when to come in on the long run of W's then it would be the 5th W to Win.
That's just ME though....Everyone is different.
And Mate what ever way you chose to play I hope you win with it for a lifetime.
Your Friend
Lanky
QuoteHey Lanky,
thanks for the reply, it was great! I've been going over my charts and noticed that LD might be a better play than JD, so I might just try that next time out, thanks. I'll show you my recovery system in another post, once I finish this one.
I liked your point about the LLw killing any Lw pattern that was forming. I will take that to heart. I was losing alot because I was trying to play a Lw pattern that really wasn't there. Thanks again.
Good I stopped short of saying that because I wanted you to pick up on it Yourself.
And see that is what You was doing .......the same as coming in on the Lww<<this does not begin FOR ME until the LLw comes first Mate
@ Advantage.Player - I like your post about betting on the W streaks. I think I'll try that. Thanks.
Lanky - could you explain how you chase the L's?? I'm not familiar with this style and haven't seen any real posts/examples of it in action.
Yes I will be doing a post on the Ls in the Implementation thread Soon.
I want to talk this over with Victor 1st
Thanks!
Matt (AKA-Cobber,AKA-Mate, AKA-whatever you want).
Hhahhahha good You have a sense of humour which does My Old Heart Good.
Good On Ya Mate
Lanky
PS I put the agressive example over on the Money/Managenment thread
Under the 6 point divisor Plan
This is a question asked of Me (Lanky )
I thought I would put it here as it may be a benefit to others
..............................................................................................
Mate
Here is the sample you sent me.
WWLWLWWLW<<see its Lw x 3 here for me so at the next L I will bet to Win WWL[L]<i would lose
[]<then I would bet here for the W to come.
How ever if you look at the pattern you sent me then we can see something else.
WWLWLWWLWWWLL
Just count the Ws after the Ls>>LwLwwLnolinksLL<you can seethat its gone Wx1 Wx2 Wx3.
Now in this case I would take a punt & say that the Ws are about to Come so I would bet them that way.
Mate I am not telling YOU how to play it
I am telling You how I play it.
If You can improve on it by all means go for it Mate.
Its what Patterns suit the player better Mate for that person to bet on .
There is no majic formular.....Just Patterns Mate....
Lanky
Ok, Lanky, I got it! Thank you very much.
If I can... another question, there is 2 last dozen/column system, isnt it? one is when we expect to come one of the two las dozen that has appear in the last spins. and the other is when the 2nd or the 3rd dozen hit? is that way?
and... can I "invent or create" some system and apply to them the Lw registry?
thats all for today, cheers, and hope you're doing well!
Renzo
Yes Mate
You are right.....
Like dozens 1/3 on the LD=Last two dozens..we bet that the same will come again
And I always record them the way they last came like
5 <<last number out=1/3 recorded
25
.................................................................
So now the JD or the Jump Dozen is wher we bet against the last Dozen that came
Like now we bet dozens 2/3 will come after the 5 came out.
Lanky
ok, Lanky, but is there a system that always bet against the 1º dozen/column? or it doesn't have sense?
another question Lanky, all these rules or instructions for the patterns apply the some way to the differents systems like JD, LD, JC, LC, etc.?
byebye
Renzo
Quoteok, Lanky, but is there a system that always bet against the 1º dozen/column? or it doesn't have sense?
another question Lanky, all these rules or instructions for the patterns apply the some way to the differents systems like JD, LD, JC, LC, etc.?
byebye
Renzo
Mate in future so that the questions & the Answers I give can benefit others.
Please put them over in the Questions for Lanky Page Please.( I have put a few there already)
The 1st part of Your Question confuses Me because it does not matter if you are are playing
LD LC JD JC << they are all playing against a Dozen Or Column
The 2nd part about the patterns applying to the LD LC JD JC <<yes they apply to them all.
Your Friend Lanky
Hi Lanky,
i ask if i can use a system that ALWAYS bet against the FIRST dozen or column? then, when the 1º dozen appear i registry L, & when the 2º or 3º dozen appear i registry W. Am i clear?
below in this page you said:
"the same as coming in on the Lww<<this does not begin FOR ME until the LLw comes first Mate"
then, you wait for a LLw to come to bet the Lww?
thanks, Renzo
QuoteHi Lanky,
i ask if i can use a system that ALWAYS bet against the FIRST dozen or column? then, when the 1º dozen appear i registry L, & when the 2º or 3º dozen appear i registry W. Am i clear?
below in this page you said:
"the same as coming in on the Lww<<this does not begin FOR ME until the LLw comes first Mate"
then, you wait for a LLw to come to bet the Lww?
thanks, Renzo
Yes mate Say this happened.
13 25=dozens=2/3
You Want 2/3 and 5 comes then that an L
you bet 1/2 and 26 comes thats an LYou bet 3/1 and 28 comes thats a WYou Want 3/1 and 13 comes thats an L
You Want 2/3 and 15 comes thats a W
You bet 2/3 and 33 comes thats a WSo Our registry is LL<bet here Win
Now LLw<<we wait
LLwL we still wait
LLwLw<we bet here for the Win
See That mate
LL[w]
Lw[w]
When the LLw comes we bet the 2nd spin after another L comes=W W<we win here
Lanky
Hi Lanky, Hi Crew!
I'm a bit confused... I must wait for a WWW to enter to chase the Ws, or I need a WWW x3 (ie. WWWLWWWLWWW)?
In the other hand, chasing the Ls after a LLWL and another L between 4 spins, I got nothing, just 6 Ws... it is normal? is there some clue to detect or prevent this before its too late?
thanks in advance & hope you're doing well!
your friend
Renzo
QuoteHi Lanky, Hi Crew!
I'm a bit confused... I must wait for a WWW to enter to chase the Ws, or I need a WWW x3 (ie. WWWLWWWLWWW)?
In the other hand, chasing the Ls after a LLWL and another L between 4 spins, I got nothing, just 6 Ws... it is normal? is there some clue to detect or prevent this before its too late?
thanks in advance & hope you're doing well!
your friend
Renzo
Hello Mate
Mate you can Chase the Ws however & whenever You want to.
I can only tell what I do.....
In you example here (ie. WWWLWWWLWWW)? I woud Assume that there was an L before before.
So it would be LnolinksLnolinksLw<<See here Lw x 3 times then>ww
I would still wait for another L before I started to bet.
LLwL.......and another L in the next 4 spins.....then..WWWW<< I stop Ls here.Then bet [W]W
Then every 4th spin I bet. Unless the other patterns Form Like LL<<then I bet here for W to come.
Now Look Mate There is no Guarantees in any System Or in any way we Play.
And a lot of people want to learn betting the Ls .......but its not for everyone to bet that way.
Some can Like Victor =LLL<bet Ls=WWW<stop Ls ( sometimes He goes to the 4th bet like me )
The Ls are not for everyone...why ??.....because of the disappointment of losing on them if they don't come....
That's the Chance that Victor & I take & we have to live with the consequences of the losses if they happen.....we know this before We begin to bet the Ls.....
If there was a way to know when to stop betting the Ls when they were going to lose We would all be Millionaires.
There is only one solution that I know of Where you can't lose on the Ls.....( DON'T BET THEM )
I will do a following post on what happened at my last session.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi Forum
This is what happened at the last session I played.
I recorded the 1st 20 numbers as usual
12 34 (2) 28 35 22 6 13 3 9 28 35 6 28 35 30 (1) 5 34 26
Now this is the 1st thing I noticed the 2nd dozen has not hit for 12 spins.
So I know its due but when ?? is the Question.
The spins continued
6 26 12 (1)15 << see here 17 spins since the 2nd dozen appeared.
It's a no brainier to work out that that if the 2nd dozen comes a lot then there will be an explosion of Ls on the JD.......Even thought I am recording the LD....I can see that.
Ok so I make the decision that I am going after the 2nd dozen.
But there is something else I want you to see .
If you look back you can see that the Zero 1 2 3 pocket has hit Twice in 8 spins.
Ok so that influences me to attack the 2nd dozen using the 6 point divisor plan with a win target of 13 & take the Zero pocket as well.=6/13=3 to bet
27=6/13=3+1zp=17 Lost
(2)=6/17=3+1zp=21 Lost less 9 back for Zp=11=[2] profit
23=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+2=[7] profit
13=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+7=[12] P
14=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+12=[17] P
24=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+17=[22] P
20=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+22=[27] P
24=6/13=3+1zp=17 Win less 9 back=8=5+27=[32] P
Ok so the JD has now gone nolinks LLLLL<the most I have see is 9 Ls in a row.
But I still want to chase the Ls or the 2nd dozen
So I dropped the divisor to 6/7=2
13=6/7=2+1zp=10 Win less 6 back=4=3+32=[35] P
21=6/7=2+1zp=10 Win less 6 back=4=3+35=[38} P
13=6/7=2+1zp=10 Win less 6 back=4=3+38=[41} P
26=6/7=2+1zp=10 Lost
Now look back the Zp has not hit for 10 spins so I drop it.
33=6/10=2=12 Lost
20=6/12=2=14 Won less 6 back=8
32=5/8=2=10 Lost
14=5/10=2=12 Won less 6 back=6=1+41=[42] Profit
I am happy to get my money back again & decide to stop the 2nd dozen betting.
The JD went nolinks LLLLLLLL wL ww
Now look back the The JC has Gone wLL
5=
Now the JC is wLLL<bet for W to come
27=5x5+1 Z/2=11 Won less 15 back=4+42=[46]
Now LD is LL<bet W to come
30=2x2 Win=2+46=[48] P
26=
25=
Now JD is wLLL<bet W to come
(1)= 5x5+1zp=11 Win less 24 back=13+48=[61] P
Back to the LD its gone LLnolinksw.......So the LLw Pattern is alive
15=L
4=W<now bet W to come for the Lww Pattern
19=W=2x2 Win=2+61=[63} Profit
And I got out of there as fast as I could.
Those type of sessions don't happen that often....But I will take them when they do.
You friend
Lanky
QuoteHi Mate we will continue from here.
I don't chase as many of the W's in a row as some people might think.
I do...but I like to see them come off the Lw pattern
Or the LLw pattern X 2 or 3 times its a at the time thing & how the patterns are running.
I am always aware that I mostly stop after 2 loseing bets on the Ws.
So here is the reason.....wLL<<I stop here mostly when chaseing the W's
But if I come in after the 1st LL<I bet here for the W to form.(if its an L then I am on the lookout for hunting the Ls from there Mate)
Its a money & percentages sort of thing with Me .
Like If I am chaseing the W's & it goes wLLL then I have lost 1x1 2x2 & 3x3=12 units lost
Where as If its After the 1st (L)
Like LLL it have gone 1x1 2x2=6 lost units.....100% less lost units then the above example.
Now don't get me wrong I have big Balls too if I need to use them in betting.
Its just that I try to minimise when that event will take place.
I have the 6 point divisor plan & its really designed to win what you want in 6 winning bets.
I will do a very agressive betting run here for You just as soon as you share the way you bet.
and how you have tweaked or modified Victors way.
Don't worry about the bets going high in the example you give us all.
Because when I do mine I will be betting a heck of a lot higer then usual Mate.
Keep in mind that on every loss, I use my modified version of Victors recovery system to win back my 2 lost units, so I'd actually be up more than 10 units. It's been very effective for me so far (in real casino's and online). What I'm curious about is how to recognize the W streaks. I believe I read in an old post by you that you look for a LwLwwLnolinksLLnolinksw... something like that, where the W's keep growing between the L's.
Yes You are exactly right Mate.....its the position of the 4th L the matters here like
LwLwwLnolinksL<<yes I would be prepared to Chase the W's from here
Personnally, I start betting on the W streaks when I have 3 w's x 3. ex: nolinksLnolinksLLnolinks(w) << I'd start betting now, as I have seen consistant W's as of late... just an idea I've been playing with.
Yes And It seems a very good Idea too But as I can't see what the patterns were before it I can't really give you any advice on it Mate......Like if there were a LL at the start of that then I would not take it.
Your obviously a person with a talent for this type of play & I hope you continue on your merry way & if I can be of any help in the future.....just ask Mate
Thanks for all your insight in past posts. Your knowledge (along with so many others) is invaluable!
Cheers,
Matt
PS - I hope this post makes sense... it's taken me 3 days to write it!
hhahah I know all about that Mate this is the 4th reply I have done today.....lol
Ps Don't forget to put your betting plan here for all to see Cobber.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi Lanky! Hi Matt!
how youre doing?
I have a question to you:
you think its better ignore the 3º W and the nexts for protect the bankroll, isnt it?
do you have tried to bet the 3º W and all the W to come in a decrescendo plan betting, like a inversed progression? Im trying it, and for now its works for me... When the L comes i lost the minimum, and i have a benefit from all the Ws.
I wait your comments.
Regards,
Renzo
Hi Renzo
Mate its really up to you to do what works for you.
I Can Only be of help in as Much as that I show people Like Yourself What & How I play the Lw Method.
I Learnt from [highlight]Victor.[/highlight]
Then I tweaked it or should I say changed it a little to what suited Me.
You may like a W pattern more then I do.
Then again I may Like the LLw pattern better then most people do.....
One of our Friends & Member here.
Denno.....Flat bets the LLw Pattern.
He Is a real good Bloke & I hope that it works for Him for a Lifetime.
In Fact Denno & I Might be meeting at Star City Casino on the 22nd of December if He & His Wife Can Make It.
I hope so. They are good people.
And We will have Good time together.
So Renzo You See Cobber I am Only telling You what I do Mate ....Now that Might not suit You to do that....but like Denno & Lohnro & Digf & Matty & Maltezan & Compar & Others I Hope.
Just so Long as we do not stray too far away from the Bases of what [highlight]Victor[/highlight] Taught.
Then we will be OK.
You can take any or all that I do & either split it all into little bits or find a particular part that suits You
More.
Something that You can see will work in conjunction with what You want to do & make a success out of it Mate.
Now Renzo My Mate I will try & answer a Question You asked before about Victor's Personal Registry.
Lets take this Example
And say that Victor bet them this way.
Marked with a [ ]
So The Lw registry below would look like this.
LwLwLwL[w]wwL[w]wwL[w]wwL[L][w]LL[w]
His personal registry Below would look like this.
W W W L W W << get it Mate these are His records of the 6 bets He has had.
Which Is Called the Personal Registry.
I Hope I have been some help to You mate.
If at anytime that You Or others have any questions of Me just ask & I will do My best to give you the answer that you are after.
Believe it or not I try & answer any Question as clearly as I possibly can.
However because we all Speak different Languages sometimes that doe not come across as clearly as some would like.
Let me say This Mate.
With Me its Not about How much I Win .
Its About How Much I Don't Lose That Matters.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi Lanky!! I hope youre doing well...
In your last post you were very clear and helpfull, thank you very much, really. I cant write english very well, because i have a poor practise, but on the other hand, i can read it very well.
another question if it not bother you... I put it a bit harder to you... ;)
in your framework, to chasing the Ls:
...LLL or LLWL an another L in the next 4 spins, you chase the Ls until a WWWW, ok?
well, in your playing experience, do you have seen some sequence like this?:
...LLLWLWWWWWLLWLWWLWWWWLLLWWLWWWWWLLWLLWWWW... and so on... How do you play this tram or streak?
thats it for today, cheers and have a good day!
your student
Renzo
[highlight]
QuoteHi Lanky!! I hope youre doing well...
I am well Thank You For asking Mate
In your last post you were very clear and helpfull, thank you very much, really. I cant write english very well, because i have a poor practise, but on the other hand, i can read it very well.
Don't Worry about that Mate....I will work out what you are saying somehow.....
another question if it not bother you... I put it a bit harder to you... ;)
in your framework, to chasing the Ls:
You are No bother Mate.....I am here to Help You Cobber
...LLL or LLWL an another L in the next 4 spins, you chase the Ls until a WWWW, ok?
well, in your playing experience, do you have seen some sequence like this?:
Good I have been waiting for someone to put this pattern up where they expect Me to Lose.
Yes Mate I have seen & played patterns like that........I will mark the bets this way [ ] for You.
I will assume that this is the start of the Session
...LL[L][W]LW[W]WWWLL[W]LW[W]LW[W]WWLL[L][W]WLW[W]WWWLL[W]LL[W]WWW... and so on... How do you play this tram or streak?
As I have Said Before if the LLw Pattern is winning Or breaking Even Then I won't come off it.
It Is My Favorite Pattern & its been Very Very Good to Me Mate & I Love it.
So The Bets would Have been LnolinkswwLnolinksw=11 bets for 9 wins & a Profit Of 7 units.
Now I will do it the way YOU expected Me to do it ...Or The way That YOU have been doing it.
LLLWL< Bet Ls From Here
[W][W][W][W] < Stop Betting Ls=Lose 4 units
WLL[W]LW[W]L << Bet Ls from Here=Win 2 units
[W][W][W][W] << Stop betting Ls=Lose 4 units
LL[L][W]WL<< bet Ls from Here=Even
[W][W][W][W] << stop betting Ls=Lose 4 Units
WLL[W]LL<bet Ls from Here=Win 1 unit
[W][W][W][W]<< stop betting Ls here = Lose 4 units
So Here You A Loss of 13 Units On a $100 bank this would be a Loss of 13%
Compared To A Win Of 7 Units By sticking to the LLw Pattern = A win of 7%
That's a 20% turn around at the very Least ( More Really with a Progression)
Just by staying on the LLw Pattern.
You Be The Judge Mate & tell me What You Prefer.......
Mate Like Denno did,(He is Pretty Smart) You should Make the LLw Pattern Your Friend.
Which extends too LLw.....Lww.......LLLw
Mate I know I do things differently.....
Like Making the Zero or the Zero pocket & The LLw pattern My Friends.
And Using The 6 or 4 Point Divisor Plan.
But I have seen too many people go home Broke by not doing it.
Besides If I get Better Then You get Better.
thats it for today, cheers and have a good day!
your student
Renzo
Your Welcome Mate
Your Friend
Lanky
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ok, Lanky, very well explained.
i try to put it in action, and see what happend... ill told you later how works it for me.
like you said me in the chat, 1º at all i concentrate myself in catching the Ws and avoiding the Ls... ;)
may be, like Vic said, when i see that is appearing so much Ls in JD, a good idea will be to jump to the JC, for instance... have you did this?
well, i hope ur having sweet dreams by now...
take care, master
Renzo
Hi Renzo
I have sent You an answer to Your Pm Buddy.
My Mate I would Jump over the Bloody Moon If I thought it would be a Winning Bet Cobber.
All Jokes aside...yes I can & do jump to other Columns & Dozens If I Think its a Winner.
Renzo You will notice My Mate That when The JD or the JC have a lot of Ls in them.
That The LD & the LC will have just about as Many Ws in them.
Keep this in Mind My Friend when Playing...It could be the difference from Winning or Losing If You are betting the Ws.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hi everybody,
I follow your forum since a few days and i decide to join today because i think it's certainly one of the best and more realistic in the world. Let me say if i say that it's because i think i can be a good judge : i play roulette everyday since 25 years in the Enghien's casino, near Paris, France.
I have a question : everybody is talking about the Lw's strategy, where i can find it please ?
I hope to be able to share my experience with you.
Hello Mr. Paul.. welcome
and hello to Mr. Lanky and Mr. victor and other members. how are you doing?
Hope your everything is just going well...
so Mr. Paul.. LW system has created by Mr. Victor and Mr. Lanky has modified it little bit..
It is pattern recognition... wLwLwLwL etc... based on last two column or dozen
More detail can be found in this site... or you can always make contact to mr. victor or mr. lanky and they are very nice person who can help you a lot more than I can
Som Mr. Paul you play roulette for 25 years everyday?
that's awesome.. we will look forward to hear your great experience
thank you
Joker
@Paul
Hi Paul
And welcome To the Family Forum Mate.
I am looking forward to hearing of some of your expeiences at Roulette Mate
Here is the Link Paul just click on it & it will take you there.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1195247313
You can see some of the Patterns there My Freind.
@Joker
Thank You for the Kind words Joker about Victor & Me.
You are a good person Mate
Lanky
Thank you for your quick answer. I am reading everything now, and test it with all the "permanences" i am taking everyday on live tables.
Hope you will be proud to see your sytem applied in France !!!!
ps : regards to Joker and good luck
hi everybody,
how are you doing? its a pleausure to be here. As you can see im a newbie here but not a newbie persuing winning in roulette.
Everyday i try to learn from others and study ways to beat roulette and its not easy at all [smiley=lolk.gif] I know you agree with me!!
Ive been reading this thread with great interest and icongratulate you Lanky and others forists for your improvements and good results.
I like playing 2 dozens at a time too. I agree that patterns LW are most important to have results playing this way and whatever others.
I would like to suggest another way to select the dozens but applaying the concepts dropped in here.
What about if we put dozens this way so as to track them in a permanence?
gather dozens as follows1/2, 1/3 and 2/3 everyone in a row so as to have 3 rows tracking the way they are being spun.
Paroli betting always de same amount during x bets. The bet is 2 chips on one dozen and the same amount on the other. If we win, we have 6 chips, 2 chips winned. If we fail we lose4 chips obviously.
Suppose it is a win, then 6 chips on both dozens if its a win weve got 9 chips minus 4 first bet = 5 and if you think youve got a nice repeating pattern you can go on with paroli doubling the last winning.
This way of playing two dozens can give cool results, as always it is most important when starting paroli betting and when leaving it. Its not easy! but......
i think its enough for the moment. If you felt interested we could go on.
Cheers.
Carlos.
hi everybody again!
I see my post doesnt arise much expectation[smiley=laugh.gif]
But as somebody quoted in another forum some time ago:
Como bien dijo el amigo Bimmer, en mi paso por los foros en inglés no supieron aprovechar lo que les expuse. Que además de las ganancias (w's) un sistema inevitablemente tiene pérdidas (L's) y esto es aprovechable.
Dont mind.
Cheers.
Carlos.
L's are protfitable too my mate, it is the mastering CYCLES and not only the w's which can make a winner!
Remember this is still a small forum, so it can take some time to get things moving...
L's = Esto es MUY aprovechable.... gracias compañero Carlos.
¿qué es de Bimmer? si puedes le invitas por estos lares!
Salud.
Victor
Hello everyone.. Mr..Victor and Mr. Lanky.. My mentor..
Hope everyone and their love ones are doing just fine...
Mr. Lanky i have qeustion..
You said you use 6 point division after lost two times.. 1x1, lose 2x2 lose then goes to 6 point division.. correct?
when you use 6 point division... do you start over and aim 6 units winning?
or you use like
6/6 1x1 lose
6/8/2x2 lose
7/12 2x2 <<<< start from here? or star from 1x1 bet?
thank you so much...
I am trying to study your method 30 min a day... try to do everyday...
Reading old article you sent me and etc and very helpfull and actaully haven't changed a lot... Most memorable sentence i read yesterday was you said
"I learn to stop after 100 unit lost... I start $300 and now I am $500.. As Victor said I have 2000 units if I needed" Now.. I believe your bankroll is $5000.. that's just remarcable...
Right now.. I am kind of put focus on 6 point division theory... not too simple as what you think lol... but i iwll get it..
thank you so much...and Mr. Victor also thank you so much
Joker
Hi Joker.
We are well thank you for asking My Friend.
My Mate When I lose 1x1 & then 2x2 Betting the Ws.
I put those lost 6 units into a 6 point Divisor
But The divisor plan has its own win target of 7
So 6 lost unit + 7 win target =13 Right Mate ?
Now we divide the 13 by the 6 point divisor.
Like This Mate
6/13=3 to bet <<< see That mate ?
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Joker if its easier for you to do you can do it this way as well Mate.
Use a 4 point Divisor.With a win Target of 5
It would look like this 1x1 lost then 2x2 lost
then add the 6 lost units + 5 win target=11
Divide the 11 by 4...Like this Mate
4/11=3 to bet
Your bets may rise Quicker this way though.
Test both of them Joker & see which one works best for you Mate.
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Yes Joker I have learnt a lot from [highlight]Victor[/highlight].
[highlight]Victor[/highlight] is the best at both Sharing & Learning the Lw Method From Mate.
[highlight]Victor[/highlight] is the Master....I am his Student.
Any success that I have belongs to [highlight]Victor[/highlight]..... I owe him a lot My friend.
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[highlight]Ronjo[/highlight] has also been a great help to Me Joker.
He is a good Person with a Great heart.
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Joker I hope I have been some help to You my Friend.
God Bless You Mate.
Lanky
Carpanta
Yes mate I First come across this way of Playing the dozens in 2005.
When Ion Saliu Wrote about it.( He uses a different betting Stratergy though )
And to be Honest it is the reason why I adapted so easily to the Lw Method
I can still play That way And sometimes I do
But I prefer [highlight]Victor's[/highlight] way With the Lw Method.
If any one is interested here is the link.
nolinks://nolinks.saliu.com/best-roulette-systems.html
Enjoy
Lanky
Thanks for answering Lanky.
All that is in common with Ion Saliu is the tracking way of the dozens/columns. Nothing else. What`s actually outstanding is the betting way to take profit of your trends Lw. Has Somebody ever bother to track RNG numbers this way to see what happens?
Best regards,
Carlos
Carpanta.
Seeing as I don't usually bet that way then I can't comment too much Mate.
But I know Victor has bet that way on live dealer Tables though.
I have on occasions bet 2x2 & then 3x3 A return of 9 .
Getting 125% profit on Layout of the original 4 Bet.
I am however willing to learn more...I am particularly interested in the RNG side of it.
Lanky
Off topic replies have been moved to [link=nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1201308369]This Thread[/link]
Hello Mr. Lanky how are you doing?
i have few questions...
for your starting unit.. do you use $1? or sometimes higher?
and my second question is WLWLWL pattern would kill LW and LLW pattern?
and my last questino is do you use JD or do you mostly stick with LD's ? thank you very much
Joker
QuoteHello Mr. Lanky how are you doing?
i have few questions...
for your starting unit.. do you use $1? or sometimes higher?
and my second question is WLWLWL pattern would kill LW and LLW pattern?
and my last questino is do you use JD or do you mostly stick with LD's ? thank you very much
Joker
Hi Joker
My starting Unit is What I make it on the day.
Like in the Casino Here In Sydney the Min Bet On The Dozens & Columns Is $10.
On Airball its $1
wLwLwL << would not kill the Lw Pattern In Fact Here You would win every bet on every 2nd spin if the Lw pattern is alive.
I will mark the bets like this Mate.[ ] >> [w]L[w]L[w]L << Bet here for the W to form again.
But Yes you are Right It does Kill the LLw pattern though.
Nice to hear from You Joker.
Your Friend
Lanky
Hello mr. lanky thak you so much... i have been studying more and more and learning more and more...
and of cource to get things are not easy, so i put lots of effort...
Mr. Lanky if you start with $5 or $10 bet... we must have big bank roll in case of losing streak.. am i right?
however, i am sure it is quicker to reach $100-150...
so mr. Lanky do you prefer to start with $1 or $5 or higher?
thank you so much..
Joker
Hi Joker
Mate If I am playing Airball I bet $2 units.
If on live Table I have no choice I have to bet a $10 unit.
Your welcome Joker
Lanky
Thank you so much... Mr. Lanky... finally i am pretty comfortable with your system and 6 point division... of cource not 100% but things are going well...
And your system is winning system.... no doubt about it... I am also trying to figure out how to win even chance since my local casino doesn't have roulette... the closest one is 2 hours away... but as I found out there is no way we can win with even chance for long run... betting last dozen give a lot more chance to win...
thank you so much.. i am sure i will have more question to ask.. thank you so much for your help always and hope your health is better and so does your wife's
Joker
hello Lanky!how are you??I am trying to understand the method and I am going good so far but I have some questions for you when you find some time:)
I understand that I will use these 3 patterns
1)Lw
2)Lww
3)LLW
so lets say we have this:
wLnolinkslwlw ->I wait for the next L and then bet for 1 w to come right?that is because I hope the Lw is activated after 3 repeats
lets say that the L came after 2 w's.my series from the beggining would look like
wLnolinkslwlnolinksl now I bet for the next w to come.
ok lets say another 2 w's came... the series from the start will look like:
w{(Lw)w}w(Lw){(Lw)w}w{(Lw)w}
my lw pattern which is inside () has repeated 4 times!
and a new pattern developed, the Lww which has repeated for 3 times inside the {} so its active now.
my question is:
do I kill the Lw and continue with the Lww or I keep both of them????????
that was an example ,I am confused with :can I play the 2 or 3 patterns at the same time?and when is time to kill a pattern??the rule says after 3 L's right?but except this occasion when else??
thanks in advance!
Hi Guys.
Just to let You all know I did answer this with ikarianman in Msn Chat...But I forgot to put what I said here..so I will do it now.
QuoteI understand that I will use these 3 patterns
1)Lw
2)Lww
3)LLW
so lets say we have this:
OK here is the problem.
They should look like this
1)Lw
2)LLw
3)Lww
The reason for that is because the Lww Pattern the way I play it these days is activated only after the LLw has appeared.
It may be easier to for You if I say.
The Lw(w) Pattern is an extension of the LL(w) Pattern.
I am trying to win on the 3rd spin of each pattern.
But the LLw has to come 1st before it is activated.
So Your example here of
Quotew{(Lw)w}w(Lw){(Lw)w}w{(Lw)w}
Would look like this if I was Playing it as I would not have bet Yet.
wLnolinkslwlnolinksl << bet here for the W to come.
If it was another L it would be now LL < I would bet for the W to come again and then Stop.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on April 15, 2009, 03:00:49 AM
Hi Guys.
Just to let You all know I did answer this with ikarianman in Msn Chat...But I forgot to put what I said here..so I will do it now.
OK here is the problem.
They should look like this
1)Lw
2)LLw
3)Lww
The reason for that is because the Lww Pattern the way I play it these days is activated only after the LLw has appeared.
It may be easier to for You if I say.
The Lw(w) Pattern is an extension of the LL(w) Pattern.
I am trying to win on the 3rd spin of each pattern.
But the LLw has to come 1st before it is activated.
So Your example here of
Would look like this if I was Playing it as I would not have bet Yet.
wLnolinkslwlnolinksl << bet here for the W to come.
If it was another L it would be now LL < I would bet for the W to come again and then Stop.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Also Lanky you would play the LLW pattern till it was stopped by an LW then wait three time for LW the play the W after the L but if waiting for LW three times and LLW formed that is trigger to play LLW again
Is that correct mate
Regards Rodney
QuoteAlso Lanky you would play the LLW pattern till it was stopped by an LW then wait three time for LW the play the W after the L but if waiting for LW three times and LLW formed that is trigger to play LLW again
Is that correct mate
Regards Rodney
Hi Mate.
The LwL Pattern stops the Lww.............Not the LLw Pattern.
Which is what I think You meant to say anyhow Cobber.
Depending on where and what has happened the LLw can extend to these patterns
Lww-<< LwL kills It.
LLLw- << LLLL kills it.
But for arguement sake lets say that the very same pattern that I was waiting on repeated itself again after the LLw hit at the end of those Lw Notations.
Like this. Bets Marked in Brackets (o)
wLnolinksLwLnolinksL(L)(w) <>wLw(w)wLw(L)(w)wwL < bet for W to come here.= 5 bets for 3 Wins.
Now breaking that down I count the 1st Lw off the last of the LLw Pattern = L(Lw)
Like this. (I will take the bet off the Lww Pattern to make it clearer.)
wLnolinksLwLnolinksL(Lw) <>w(Lw)ww(Lw) << see the 3 Lw's Clearer Now ??.
Ok now lets do it without the LLw Pattern at the end...This time it was Lw at the end of the 1st Tram & then the repeat again.
wLnolinksLwLnolinksL(w) <>wL(w)wwL(w)L(w)wwL< bet for W to come here.= 4 bets for 4 wins
Good On Ya Mate.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky
I have tried to create a spreadsheet for the 35pt divisor plan. Since you are the "MASTER", I would really appreciate if you could test it and provide some feedback for any errors and/or improvements.
Cheers
Hi ozshabs .
Mate You Exaggerate...I am no MASTER I am just a Roulette Student like You doing My best.
Mate it is fine I tested for 10 losses in a row and 2 Wins +9
Then for 20 losses in a row and then 4 wins for a profit.
My Friend I have 2 suggestions for You.
1) If you do it as a 36/1 Divisor I think that more people would understand it or relate to it better as its in 36 number sequences and they would find it easier to see the Math.
And the bets would be a Tad Lower as You get further into the progression.
2) You can always add a Safety Brake after say between 6-12
lost bets in a Row.
Like after 6 Lost bets You could then take the Divisor to 72 or in your case 70
You will need an extra win or so to balance the books...but it will keep Your losses lower.
The earlier you add it the lower the Bets are kept....Matty Mazz does this the way He plays and is having good success with it....He also plays a 35/1 Divisor.
Of Course in the end the Player will Play with what suits Him Best......But with Me its not How Much I Win...Its How Much I don't Lose that tells the tale at the end of the Year.
Good OnYa Mate...Your a Good Bloke.
Lanky.
GREAT spreadsheet ozshabs, well done mate! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Good suggestions from the "MASTER" too.
hey, great sheet ozshabs
could you do that you can manualy pick divisor?
@lanky
If I play splits should divisor be 18?
boo_ray
glad you liked it...am working on a better version. once I am finished, I will post it here.
Cheers
Quote@lanky
If I play splits should divisor be 18?
Hi Boo.
Yes My Mate I would play 18......some may prefer 17....But I would go with the 18 its easier to do.
Good OnYa Mate.
Lanky.
Hey lanky, question.
I've been wondering what is best to bet, just LD, or LD and LC or all 4 (LD, JD, LC, JC)?
Did anyone get better results by betting somewhere else?
Where do you bet Lanky?
thx :)
Quote from: Just_Gabe on June 20, 2009, 04:47:48 PM
Hey lanky, question.
I've been wondering what is best to bet, just LD, or LD and LC or all 4 (LD, JD, LC, JC)?
Did anyone get better results by betting somewhere else?
Where do you bet Lanky?
thx :)
Hi Just_Gabe .
I personally prefer the LD & the LC.
For the Wheel to keep throwing the L's at You it needs constantly to throw the Furthest back Dozen /Column.
It does happen at Times but not as much as on the JD & The JC where every repeat is a Loss.
And I have Seen wLLLLLLLLL=10 of the Same Dozen/Column repeat Quite a Few Times.
I Once saw the 1st Column go 14 times in a row then a Zero then another 4 of the same Column again before it changed.
Great if Your playing the L's but a Real Bank Buster if Your playing the W's.
But everyone is different My Friend as what they Prefer to play.
I am just saying what I do Most Times.
And I very rarely go past My 2 losses in a Row and then Stop betting and wait again for another opportunity.
I don't Win all the Time Gabe.
I just try to Lose Less then most other players do.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Quote from: Lanky on June 21, 2009, 08:45:16 AM
It does happen at Times but not as much as on the JD & The JC where every repeat is a Loss.
And I have Seen wLLLLLLLLL=10 of the Same Dozen/Column repeat Quite a Few Times.
I Once saw the 1st Column go 14 times in a row then a Zero then another 4 of the same Column again before it changed.
Great if Your playing the L's but a Real Bank Buster if Your playing the W's.
I'm confused :scratch_ones_head:
How can you lose so much when this wLLLLLLLLL happens ? That can only happen if you play every spin, right?
I thought you only played the bet in red >> wLLLLLLLLL and then wait for the next Lw pattern and/or trigger.
Maybe I have misunderstood, because my succes with it hasn't been to great.
Vix
Quote from: vix on June 21, 2009, 03:54:20 PM
I'm confused :scratch_ones_head:
How can you lose so much when this wLLLLLLLLL happens ? That can only happen if you play every spin, right?
I thought you only played the bet in red >> wLLLLLLLLL and then wait for the next Lw pattern and/or trigger.
Maybe I have misunderstood, because my succes with it hasn't been to great.
Vix
Hi Vix.
All I did was explain what I have SEEN happen on the JD to Gabe.
And I assumed he was a W player..but I can see from this thread(link below)he is also an L player.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10504.msg67029#msg67029.
Vix some of us can play both W's and the L's.
The L's can be real tricky at times but its like money from heaven when they are hitting.
I don't want to confuse You Vix because You play mainly the Lw pattern.
However I will explain what COULD have happened with that sequence above that Your talking about.
If it went like this....Lw Lw Lw etc then I would bet after the next L for a W if that lost I would have bet again for a W because if that hit it meant the LLw Pattern had just came.
Now if those 2 bets had lost I would stop....and see what happened with more spins.
Lets look at doing it that way as an example.
Lw Lw Lw >>bet after next L
and it went wL< bet for the W to come LL ok now I stop betting and wait for More patterns to form.
Ok Now lets go back to the begginning again with the LLw Pattern and see what happens.
Lw Lw LLw >so after LL comes bet the W to come.
Lets now look at how that would now look Vix.
Lw Lw LLw>>>and now it went LL <I now bet and it went LL Going on what happened before I would stop betting Right Vix ?
But now here is how its gone...Lw Lw LLw> LLLL>>Now some people would turn and play the L's from here.
I know Victor played the Ls after it went LLL>>now bet Ls until nolinks Came.
I hope I have helped with this explanation Vix.
But simply put the betting of the L's is not for everyone to do...it can confuse You...it needs heaps of Practise and You can still lose doing it.
Your Friend.
Lanky.
Thank you Lanky for explaining :good:
Hi Lanky, I have some questions that I don't know if you already answered, but I've been a bit lazy to search for them. If they have been answered I would appreciate to know which post is it...
I've been testing the 4 point divisor and so far, I like it! But I dunno when to use the 6 point divisor plan.
There has been times that I lost money using the 4pd. Of course, this is something that is bound to happen sometimes due to the nature of random and the so-called fluctuations that happen.
My question is the following. You said that after betting 1x1 and 2x2, you sum up the losses into a 4pd plan in the post "Lanky's implementation of Lw's", and then lets say the session goes something like this
6/4 = 2 L
8/4 = 2 L
10/4 = 3 W (+6)
4/3 = 2 L
6/3 = 2 W (+4)
2/2 <-----------Now, in this part, you said that when the divisor goes down to 2, we should add a safety break and add 6/4 right? so we now have 8/6 and keep betting until we get nolinksw. However, if after this bet 4 nolinksw came in...
8/6 = 2 L
10/6 = 2 L
12/6 = 2 L
14/6 = 3 L (end of L hunting with -17)
I would have lost 11 units, so if I were to use this recovery plan again in the future, I would begin from the last 2 bets lost (6) while the other 11 are ignored, right?
Besides, I've run into this streak too often...
6/4 = 2 W +4
2/3 = 1 <----I guess it's ok if the divisor is greater than the profit goal right? so we keep betting 1.
Last, I faced another weird situation...
7/6 = 2 L
9/6 = 2 W +4
5/5 = 1 L
6/5 = 2 W +4
2/4 = 1 L
3/4 = 1 L
4/4 = 1 L
5/4 = 2 W +4 <---Now, after this, it becomes 1/3 = 1, do I add another 6/4? or keep betting with 1/3 until it becomes something like -1/2?
1/3 = 1 W +2 <---I kept betting as 1 until I had a divisor of 2 and added another 6/4...so it ended up being -1/2 (-1 meaning that I was 1 unit in profit...) + 6/4 it would be 5/6
5/6 = 1
Also, when do I start using the 6 point divisor plan?
Thank you! I hope I made myself clear...
Hi Gabe .
I think I know where the problem lies in what Your doing.
But please put the link here so I can see the post and see what I said exactly in that particular post.
The last post that I tracked down for You was 2 and half years old =Eg:« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007.
So if you can do that It will make things quicker for Me to read it My Friend.
Lanky.
Sure Lanky, here's the post nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/lanky's-implementation-of-lw's/msg878/#msg878 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/lanky's-implementation-of-lw's/msg878/#msg878) here you use the 4 point divisor, yet I don't see any examples of using a 6 point divisor.
QuoteMy question is the following. You said that after betting 1x1 and 2x2, you sum up the losses into a 4pd plan in the post "Lanky's implementation of Lw's", and then lets say the session goes something like this
6/4 = 2 L
8/4 = 2 L
10/4 = 3 W (+6)
4/3 = 2 L
6/3 = 2 W (+4)
2/2 <-----------Now, in this part, you said that when the divisor goes down to 2, we should add a safety break and add 6/4 right? so we now have 8/6 and keep betting until we get nolinksw. However, if after this bet 4 nolinksw came in...
Ok up to here You have everything right Gabe.
Now because You have added another divisor.= 2/2+4/6
Your Win Target is now (6)+2=8
8/6 = 2 L >>6/8=2=10 Lost
10/6 = 2 L >6/10=2=12 Lost
12/6 = 2 L >6/12=2=14 Lost
14/6 = 3 L (end of L hunting with -17) >6/14=3=17 lost Divisor now up to 7.
That –17 you have there is as You say below is really –11 because of the (6) Win Target.
I would have lost 11 units, so if I were to use this recovery plan again in the future, I would begin from the last 2 bets lost (6) while the other 11 are ignored, right?
<< no wrong that's why its best to do the Formula the way its designed to get the best results.
The biggest mistake You made was after You had LLLL
4 losses in a Row betting on a Single Dozen.
Means You HAVE to put the Divisor UP ONE to 7
See when your Divisor was at 2/2 <<this 2 is what Your losses were.
Now the moment You added 4/6 << that (6) is Your win Target.
And any other bets and losses are added as You Go.
You said>> I would begin from the last 2 bets lost (6)
That's wrong Your last 2 lost bets totalled (5)
(see how easy it is to make a mistake when posting Mate ..LOL..Joke)
And You should already be in a 7 point Divisor right now.
And Your Goal from here is win back the 11 lost units overall if you do that you will break even.
If You win back 12 then You would be +1 in Profit.
And by doing what You have done by not putting the Divisor up after 4 Losses in a row when chasing the L's will cause this problem for You every time My Friend.
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Besides, I've run into this streak too often...
6/4 = 2 W +4
2/3 = 1 <----I guess it's ok if the divisor is greater than the profit goal right? so we keep betting 1.
You can always add another 4/6 Divisor to Your 3/2 if that's what You want to do. ( I would)
Which would give You 7/8=2 to bet=10
By doing that Your Win Target is now(6)+2=8
So on that Bet if it won would look like this.
7/8=2=10 Won-6 back=4<>less the(6)WinTarget=+2 Profit
That should clear that Part up for You Mate.
.............................................................................................
Lets now move to this Problem Below
And I will assume that Your 7 are lost units to begin with and You still chasing the L's
Last, I faced another weird situation...
7/6 = 2 L
9/6 = 2 W +4
5/5=1 L
6/5 = 2 W +4
Same here but just add (4) to the win target+4/2=4/6 and Your Win Target is (4)
2/4 = 1 L >4/6=2=8 Lost
3/4 = 1 L >4/8=2=10 Lost
4/4 = 1 L >4/10=3=13 Lost
The bet below would look like this now
4/13=4=17 Won-12 back=5 >>Div DOWN to 3.
5/4 = 2 W +4 <---Now, after this, it becomes 1/3 = 1, do I add another 6/4? or keep betting with 1/3 until it becomes something like -1/2?
Ok on that statement above You would have hit another Winner so the bet would have been.
3/5=2=7 Won-6 back=1 <>less(4) Win target= +3 Profit.
1/3 = 1 W +2 <---I kept betting as 1 until I had a divisor of 2 and added another 6/4...so it ended up being -1/2 (-1 meaning that I was 1 unit in profit...) + 6/4 it would be 5/6
5/6 = 1
Also, when do I start using the 6 point divisor plan?
Thank you! I hope I made myself clear...
Ok Gabe My Friend I have done My best for You.
I will just say this the 4 point Divisor can lead to bigger bets because it can become more aggressive.
And in reality everyone should learn the 6 point Divisor First before going to the 4 point Divisor.
The 6 point is safer and easier to recover from if You make a mistake.
Your Friend
Lanky
Ok...I think I got some of the stuff you explained. However, I've tried the 6pd in the LD...and failed miserably :( from like 10 times I used it, only 2 times it worked well, because after LLLL, a long string of w's would normally come killing all opportunities to get some units back...I guess I'll keep testing and give you some details on the numbers spuns so I can get some feedback. Interesting enough, the 6pd worked more often on JD and JC...like I said, I'll keep testing.
Thank you very much Lanky!
QuoteI've tried the 6pd in the LD...and failed miserably from like 10 times I used it, only 2 times it worked well, because after LLLL, a long string of w's would normally come killing all opportunities to get some units back...
Oh really!!??
I would like to know what the Divisor got to after Your adding the 1 to it after you kept losing the 4 bets. ??
I would love to see the Lw notations on those sessions Cobber.
The 6 point did not fail Mate.....the player that's not reading the L patterns before and after and or the player that did not realise He was in a Hell session probably did though.
In fact on the whole it seems like You have played W sessions and did not realise it.
Some times You can come in on the L's after LLL as Victor taught.
And some times the L's will come after LLwL >>>and another L withing 4 spins.
Also these patterns can happen nolinksw LLLL nolinksw LLLL etc a savvy player could Win both ways if that was prevalent
As Victor and I have both said over the Last 3 years or so betting the L's is not for every one....they sure can be tricky.
You just can't say that You will bet the L's EVERY TIME it goes LLLL because thats just being Totally Mechanical at ALL times with that approach.
And if that Could be done I would be a Millionaire a few times over by now.
QuoteThank you very much Lanky!
Your quite Welcome My Friend.
Lanky.
QuoteThe 6 point did not fail Mate.....the player that's not reading the L patterns before and after and or the player that did not realise He was in a Hell session probably did though.
Actually...you're right! lol...it was clearly a session from hell...from 20 sessions of 10 bets, I would've normally ended up with -37 units...but ended up with -4 thanks to Victor's virtual play, clearly a HELLISH session of the worst kind mate.
Also, yeah, I have to admit I've been playing very mechanically...but I'll keep practicing until I get the "feel" of when to and when not to hunt for L's.
I'll keep you up about the tests Lanky :)
Thx again mate!
Hello!
I've been studding Lw play (Victor's, Lanky's and Sam's).
I'm hunting only for w, but obviously looking how L coming up in JD give a lot of information about LD.
I've played about 2000 spins so far with net profit of 383 units.
The biggest drop was -60 units.
My question: what kind of initial bankroll would you propose?
I know, bigger bankroll, better, but realistically thinking.
I'm doing about 30 units a session (100-200 spins), the biggest drop I had was -60 units.
I'd say that 200 units would be enough.
I'm looking forward for your opinion.
Thank you in advance.
Best regards.
Trylobit
Quote from: trylobit on September 03, 2009, 06:29:53 PM
Hello!
I've been studding Lw play (Victor's, Lanky's and Sam's).
I'm hunting only for w, but obviously looking how L coming up in JD give a lot of information about LD.
I've played about 2000 spins so far with net profit of 383 units.
The biggest drop was -60 units.
My question: what kind of initial bankroll would you propose?
I know, bigger bankroll, better, but realistically thinking.
I'm doing about 30 units a session (100-200 spins), the biggest drop I had was -60 units.
I'd say that 200 units would be enough.
I'm looking forward for your opinion.
Thank you in advance.
Best regards.
Trylobit
Sorry Trylobit.
Mate I must have missed this when I was sick.
Congrats on the success that Your having Mate.
I would use a 100-200 Stop Loss.
As an overall Life Time Bank I am a Victor believer in having a bank of 2000 units.
Good On-Ya Mate.
Lanky.
Hi Lanky!
Thank you for your answer.
How are you doing? Are you well now?
I'm still practising on live wheel spins, but I think I will start betting soon.
Best regards.
Trylobit
Quote from: trylobit on September 08, 2009, 11:35:26 AM
Hi Lanky!
Thank you for your answer.
How are you doing? Are you well now?
I'm still practising on live wheel spins, but I think I will start betting soon.
Best regards.
Trylobit
Trylobit.
Your Welcome My Friend.
Yes thanks Mate I am much better this week.
I even got a couple of sessions in Cobber.
That's it Mate Practice ,practice and practice some more.
God Bless You Mate.
Lanky.
Lanky,
Thank you for directing a newbie to the info about this method. I will try to wade through it all.
I do have a quick question:
When people say they are waiting for a wLL to occur or some other pattern how are they doing that when they are not actually playing at this time. Are they deciding on any 2 dozens or columns to bet on and assuming an win or a loss for each spin then once they see the pattern they start betting again? Can't seem to find this.
I'm really excited about this and other methods here because I am moving to Vegas on Dec. 1st. permanently. Can't wait.
Thanks,
DoubleZero
Hi DoubleZero .
Mate it depends on what Your playing or tracking at the Time.
I will do the LD= Play the last two dozens that came for You first.
When You tell me You have understood that I will show You another way.
LD Example.
1st spin=18=0
2nd spin=12=Dozens 2/1 are the last two that have come out (so we would keep tracking)
3rd spin=20=Dozens 2/1=W
4th spin=10=Dozens 1/2=W <>So tracking on those Dozens 1/2 it would have lost to the 3rd Dozen (36)
5th spin=36=Dozens 3/1=L <>so now tracking was on 3/1 it would have lost to the 2nd dozen (19)
6th spin=19=Dozens 2/3=L <> We BET 2/3 and the 3rd Dozen now wins for us with (32)
7the spin=32=Dozens 3/2=W
So the Lw's went this way
w
w
L
L
w
Your Friend .
Lanky.
Hi Lanky mate,
Accidentally found this thread of yours and reminds me of
something we have tested recently on LC on FGC section.
In the meantime I took your advice implementing red on 1-2
and black on 1-3......but only when it hits in corresponding columns,in other words
following the colors in corresponding columns.And couple more tweaks which have explained to Compa.
Stay well and keep the good work...........Your mate.................Iboba 8) 8)
Hi Iboba .
Thank You for the kind words My Mate.
God Bless You and Yours Cobber.
Lanky.
Hi there Lanky.
first post here. . .
i have been looking at your posts about the lw method for a few weeks now and wanted to ask a few questions. . .
i have seen the Lw and LLw patterns talked about frequently, but also have seen Lww and a few other patterns mentioned. which are the most important? i always try to stick to just Lw and LLw. is that good or should i be open to more patterns?
also how important do you believe it is to chase the L's? or is it upto each gambler on thier own accord.
many thanks for all your posts.
its really helpful
Dan
Hi danwarren99 .
Mate here are 2 different sessions I played today on 2 different Tables.
I will put the Lw's here for You to see from those sessions.
I will come back tomorrow and do more for You on Betting the L's.
Lohnro had a good way of playing the L's on the JD (and the JC I think)
If Lonnie would be so kind as to put the link up we can revisit again.
Quotealso how important do you believe it is to chase the L's? or is it upto each gambler on thier own accord.
Yes Playing the L's can be tricky Mate....its not for everybody to do...
People can get into trouble especially if they chase past the ideal value bet of 4 times with a big progression.
Here are the Lw's from today Mate.
Table (1)
LD:-nolinkswLLLLLnolinksLwwLwwLwLwwLLLwLLwwLnolinksnolinksLLwLwLLw
wwLwLwwLwwLwLnolinkswLwwLLwwLnolinksLwwLLLLw
nolinksnolinkswwLnolinkswwLwLnolinksLLwLLnolinksLwLwLLL
wLLnolinksLnolinksLnolinkswLLwLwLLwLnolinksnolinksLnolinksLLLwLwLwL
JD:wLLLLnolinkswwLwLwLnolinkswwLnolinksnolinksnolinksLwwLLwLnolinkswLwLw-LwLwLnolinkswLnolinksww
LnolinksnolinkswwLwLLLnolinksnolinkswLwLLwLwLwwLLLLL
wLwLwLwwLnolinkswLnolinksLnolinksLwwLnolinkswLLwLwLnolinksnolinksnolinkswLLLwwLwwLLnolinksLnolinksww
LC:-wLLLLnolinkswwLnolinksLwLnolinksnolinksLLLwLwwLLLLwwLnolinksLLwLLnolinksLwwLwwLLw
wwLnolinksnolinksnolinkswLLnolinkswLwwLLwwLLw
LLLwLwwLnolinksLLnolinksLnolinkswwLLwLnolinkswLnolinksLnolinksLwwLwLLwwLwwLnolinksLLw
nolinksnolinksnolinksLwLnolinkswL
JC:nolinksnolinkswwLLLwwLLnolinksLLwLLLnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksLnolinksLw-LwLwwLwwLw
wLLLwwLwLLwLLLL
nolinksLnolinkswLnolinksLwwLnolinksnolinkswwLLLnolinksLLwwLnolinksnolinkswLLLL
wwLwwLLLwLnolinkswwLwwLwwLnolinkswLwLwLLLLLLnolinkswwLww
Table (2)
LD:-nolinksLnolinksnolinksLLLLwLnolinkswwLwLwwLwLLnolinkswLnolinkswwLLnolinksLwwLw
nolinksnolinkswLwLwLLwwLLnolinksL
JD:wwLwwLLLLwwLnolinkswLwwLnolinkswLnolinkswLwwLLnolinkswLwwLnolinksLwwLw
wwLnolinksLnolinksLnolinkswwLwwLwLw
LC:nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksLLwLLLwLwwLnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinkswwLnolinksLLwwLwLLw
wLwLnolinkswwLLwwLwLwwLww
JC:LLLnolinksLwLnolinksLnolinksnolinksLnolinksnolinksnolinkswLnolinksnolinksLwLLLwwLw
wLwwLwwLwwLwwLnolinksLwLnolinksnolinks
Lanky.[/color]
Quote from: Lanky on December 26, 2009, 08:21:57 AMI will come back tomorrow and do more for You on Betting the L's.
Lohnro had a good way of playing the L's on the JD (and the JC I think)
If Lonnie would be so kind as to put the link up we can revisit again.
Hey Lanky, no problems mate.
I used this quite a few time in the past. This is for betting for an L only. Once I see wLL then I bet one dozen with the progression 1 2 3 4, to find 1 more L in 4 spins only. eg. LLnolinksL is a win of 2 units and stop betting. Once this fails and I lose 10 units, I stop betting, wait for wLL once again, and set Lanky's 6 point plan to win 12 units (my 10 units lost + 2 units) back using the exact same bet selection.
It is not a world beater, and I think the only reason it worked for as long as it did is because of the 6pdp!!
Cheers,
Hello everyone,
I am an amateur Pokter, I like to play occasionally with friends and not long ago I learned about the freeroll tournaments that are very nice because they bind to nothing and I find ca a good way to train.
I am an amateur, but I still think that at least once in my life in Las Vegas to the WSOP, even if I gain nothing is really history to have that feeling of playing in Las Vegas with the greatest.
Good until I play on the internet.
I think that playing on the internet especially in tournaments are 2 strategies.
so do carpets quickly enough to climb faster, the foot is his password or his case but since it is a freeroll was not lost because we did not put any money into games.
so wait patiently for the right hand to play this last much longer to rapidly increase his stack, but were less likely to get out quickly, so more likely to fit in the gains, while the first can be out in 5 minutes after commencement.
What do you think? If you have any other please let me say??
If I wanted to ask you about Unibet play you?? them what time? and with maximum participation cb??
And also if you have passwords for freeroll UNIBET if you can save by its good will, as in those with password has fewer participants arrive and see a password freeroll slightly higher Besides, I do not understand why.
Voila that's it for me, I await your reactions! and thank you in advance
Quote from: kasper879 on March 08, 2010, 03:23:18 AM
Hello everyone,
I am an amateur Pokter, I like to play occasionally with friends and not long ago I learned about the freeroll tournaments that are very nice because they bind to nothing and I find ca a good way to train.
I am an amateur, but I still think that at least once in my life in Las Vegas to the WSOP, even if I gain nothing is really history to have that feeling of playing in Las Vegas with the greatest.
Good until I play on the internet.
I think that playing on the internet especially in tournaments are 2 strategies.
so do carpets quickly enough to climb faster, the foot is his password or his case but since it is a freeroll was not lost because we did not put any money into games.
so wait patiently for the right hand to play this last much longer to rapidly increase his stack, but were less likely to get out quickly, so more likely to fit in the gains, while the first can be out in 5 minutes after commencement.
What do you think? If you have any other please let me say??
If I wanted to ask you about Unibet play you?? them what time? and with maximum participation cb??
And also if you have passwords for freeroll UNIBET if you can save by its good will, as in those with password has fewer participants arrive and see a password freeroll slightly higher Besides, I do not understand why.
Voila that's it for me, I await your reactions! and thank you in advance
1) This is question for Lanky thread and he dos'nt use this forum anymore.
2) This is a forum about roulette and not poker
3) WTF you on about?