Hey VB Players: You've Been Busted!!

[Spike!]

>>Bayesian probability does not suggest (or support the argument) that you can "read random".>>

Was it supposed to? The guy died in 1761, was random pertaining to gambling a tasty topic in the mid 1700's? Roulette was in its infancy when he died, it didn't really get started till the 1790's. He doesn't show how to do quantum mechanics either, I wonder why.

'the state of knowledge' pertains to reading random, like it or don't.

I'm not Jugs.>>

Uh Huh. LOL

[gizmotron]

But you missed the basic fact that Bayesian probability has nothing to do with the random process of games of chance (such as roulette, or dice). It deals with something else entirely.

It deals with pattern recognition and documented advantages discussed by interested mathematicians in the pattern recognition field. If you understood what I know about games of chance such as Roulette you would be skeptical of their lack of interest from that field too. But neither them nor you understand what I know. They just have not taken an interest in gambling when the applications for computer science are far more interesting and profitable. Just because they're not here blowing it for everyone now doesn't mean that they will stay away forever. One of them is going to come calling with a Master's thesis or a defensible dissertation for their doctorate. You will be that dope sitting on a stool with a tall cone shaped hat. It's right underneath your nose and all you have are excuses. I'm not laughing at them. I'm laughing at you.

[Noble Savage]

But neither them nor you understand what I know.

Okay.

[Herb6]

This was a post from when Laurance busted Spike and Gizmotron.  
Posted: 12-Apr-10 20:39  Laurance wrote the following,


"Giz: I would beg to differ. The discussion did, in fact, happen. The problem is that the discussion always went the same way:

OK. I accept you can read random. Give me some insight into how you do it?

--- I can't tell you.

OK. I accept you don't want to tell me. Can you at least show some evidence that it is possible?

--- No. Not without you being able to steal what it is I do.

OK. Then what is it, exactly that you want me to do?

--- Give up your wayward Mathboyz ways and accept the reality that random can be beaten.

Uhhh...I don't think I am ready to do that unless I see some evidence that it can, in fact, be done.

--- I don't have to prove anything to anybody. This forum is made up of a bunch of arrogant, contemptible idiots. I'm outa here.


Not exactly word for word, but this is pretty much how every discussion on "Reading Random" has gone.

It was pretty much just good clean fun, until Spike contacted me and wanted me to pony up to the pump and pay $75,000 for the privilege of learning how to read random without offering any proof whatsoever that he could actually do it.

I wonder how many people actually buy his bullshit and are willing to pay $$$'s to learn the impossible.


Giz (&Spike): There is one way to make this old, arrogant and contemptible idiot really shut the f**k up. Just demonstrate you can do what you say you can do.


The fact is, I believe you are running a scam. A very clever scam based in hardcore Mathboyz statistics. Declare you can do something that is a 1 in 4 million shot, and then when it comes down to the short hairs of extracting money out of someone, pull off a demonstration that has about a 1 in 15 chance of success just by luck alone. If you can line up 50 people who will pay you big bucks if you can do the impossible, well.....do the math. The skill really isn't being able to read random, but rather the skill is being able to read a sucker.


Go ahead Giz (or Spike). Ask me to substantiate the above paragraph. Or, just go quietly into night and that will
shut me up as well."

[Spike!]

You will be that dope sitting on a stool with a tall cone shaped hat.>>>

I've got one with Herb's name on it..

[Spike!]

but this is pretty much how every discussion on "Reading Random" has gone.>>>

As it should..

>>until Spike contacted me and wanted me to pony up to the pump and pay $75,000>

Absolutely taken out of context and twited is his favor. I had already REJECTED any dealings with him when I told him his offer of 20K was laughaby small, I would never take anyting less than 75K. I never EVER said he had to pony up any amount. His first offer was 20 million, ask him if you don't believe me.

>>pull off a demonstration that has about a 1 in 15 chance of success just by luck alone. If you can line up 50 people who will pay you big bucks if you can do the impossible, well.....do the math.>>

LOL!!!!!! An absolute fantasy dreamed up by Laurance. Never happened, never will happen. Bitterness makes people say really stupid things, I guess.

[gizmotron]

Poor (dunce hat) Herbie/Snowman.

"Giz (&Spike): There is one way to make this old, arrogant and contemptible idiot really shut the f**k up. Just demonstrate you can do what you say you can do."

Oh, you think that just asking for proof, how it's done, basically begging for an explanation wins it for your side? You get nothing and you will have to live with that too. Nothing has changed. Laurance didn't produce any results and neither Spike nor myself has disclosed what we know. Here is your only hope. Get off your butts and figure it out on your own. We did. And we aren't from some of the great minds around here according to you guys. You are so smart? Prove it.

[Spike!]

Get off your butts and figure it out on your own.>>>

But they won't. The only reason I discovered it was by accident, and Gizmo had been working on similar things for years. I didn't even realize I was reading the random till I had been dong it for 2 years. Read my early GG posts, I never even mention it till 2008, I believe. The MathBoyz don't even know where to start, thats whats really funny.

[gizmotron]

What really cracks me up is that you must be smart enough to keep it to yourself.  Everything they complain about is centered around sharing it on an internet forum for millions to eventually get a hold of it. And so based on that practical recommendation we are scammers. Well, beggars can't be choosers. Lazy math freaks get nothing. It's just too bad.

[Spike!]

Everything they complain about is centered around sharing it>>

What does 'sharing' get you, new friends? Has Coke shared their secret formula? Has KFC shared their secret recipe? The Wright Bros tried to protect their rights with patents and their ideas were stolen anyway. They lost all their money in court sueing the thieves, while their competitors built planes and made millions.

Sharing is called wising up the chumps, and we know how much thats worth in dollars and cents.

[Herb6]

Honestly,

Does anyone here take either Spike or Gizmotron seriously?


Speak up if you believe a word they say or any of there absurd claims?

Anyone?

[Spike!]

Speak up if you believe a word they say or any of there absurd claims?>>

Poor Herb, he just can't stand it when somebody knows something he doesn't. He's not satisfied till he's run them into the ground. Just stay on GG as the roulette mod, you're working wonders there. Were there 2 new posts today or 3? LOL!!

[gizmotron]

Why would anyone with half a brain want to speak up and have herb and his band of merry men dogging them all over the internet?

[Herb6]

Spike and Gizmotron,

I doubt anyone will speak up.

[Noble Savage]

Poor Herb, he just can't stand it when somebody knows something he doesn't.

lol

Herb is light-years ahead of you when it comes to roulette.

[Noble Savage]

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