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Hello everyone,

711 mk1 .

Ill try to explain this in a simple way,

First thing to do is look at each dozen, six reds and six blacks in each.
We will only be betting on 12 reds or blacks at any given time.
The 12 reds or blacks to bet on will be determined by previous numbers.

Basically I bet the same colour but opposite dozens.

eg  last number spun 16 red, now bet all the reds in the 1st and 3rd dozens
number 5 comes in, we have a win

If the last number spun was 17 black, bet all blacks in the 1st and 3rd dozens

When the opposite colour comes in on the same dozen change bet.

eg  last number spun 32 red I bet all reds in 1st and 2nd dozens
number 31 comes in we have a loss
Change to all blacks in 1st and 2nd dozens
number 2 comes in, we have a win on the second attempt.

Wait atleast 7 virtual loses before betting with an 11step progression

Before any bet wait for Seven virtual loses
eg   checking down the numbers

11
31   virtual win
31   virtual loss 1
5     virtual loss 2
15   virtual loss 3
5     virtual loss 4
12   virtual loss 5
4     virtual loss 6
18   virtual loss 7     Time to bet all reds in 1st and 3rd dozens
18   Real loss        -12 Repeat bet with 2nd step of the progression
30   Real win        +36   

Progressions

Eleven step progression
On 12 individual numbers  1,2,3,4,6,9,13,20,30,45,67 on each of the 12 numbers
12x200=2400 units
If you wait for Ten virtual loses
12x58=696 units     1,2,3,4,6,9,13,20


After weeks of testing on real wheels online this system has never lost.
With 7 virtual loses and 11 step progression gives this system strength, without  much waiting.
The max I have seen it go to is 15 loses , but this is rare. Only happens  afew  times per day at most.
You will notice average hit is within the 5th virtual loss.
Trust me after 7 this system is very reliable, if you have the patience to wait 13 virtual loses the beast is ready to throw chips at you.

Lots of testing needs to be done for some real stats and effective tweaks.

You can change virtual loss waiting time, progression steps and unit amounts
With this setup, Just 7 or 8 wins a day should be + 10% of initial bankroll.

The main aim is to play least amount of bets per session, giving less chance of hitting a bad patch.
With a bankroll of 2400 and total wipeout  if it ever went over 18, Is the risk out weighing the win.
How often does it go over 18 loses in a row?  Does it go over 18 loses once a day or once a week,
The two obvious reasons for a long stretch of loses is the alternating outcome of BRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR and a repeating dozen.
With these two combined could lead to a 18+ loss streak.
But looking on the positive side you could earn over 200 a day every day,  Increase bets and have to win fewer times giving less risk to hitting the 18+ streak.


RNG is a no go Never play it [FULL STOP] Live wheels and air roulette only.

TEST



  Another example

11
17  virtual win
31  virtual win
32  virtual loss 1
33  virtual loss 2
34  virtual loss 3
21  virtual win
20  virtual loss 1
8    virtual win
2    virtual loss 1
30  virtual loss 2
16  virtual win
20  virtual loss 1
12  virtual loss 2
2    virtual loss 3
5    virtual loss 4
8    virtual loss 5
9    virtual loss 6
22  virtual loss 7 Time to bet all blacks in 1st and 3rd dozens    Progression step 1
30  Real loss 1  Bet all reds in 1st and 2nd dozens           
28  Real loss 2  Bet all blacks in 1st and 2nd dozens
29  Real loss 3  Bet all blacks in 1st and 2nd dozens
15  Real win  + 24


Any idea's ?


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All the  air/slingshot wheels I've seen are manipulating the results, so not much different to RNG ?

The manufacturers use various programs and physical means to vary wheel spin speed and ball speed each spin. This allows the roulette unit to zone or even hit a required number. This is necessary to guarantee the venue a constant win %.

A true random wheel couldn't guarantee the venue consistant earnings & some days or weeks they could even suffer large losses due to some big player wins ? On a live wheel they monitor wins & use ploys such as short cycle dealer changes, shutting down the table to have the tech. heads check level the wheel, fast cycle the wheel spins to upset winning players.
They can't do this with unsupervised auto wheels thus the inbuilt manipulation. It's all about constant cash flow to keep the BEAST in the black.

  Yes some players do win on airball. Has any Forum member consistantly played and won long term, say over a year or more, on these auto wheels?
How have you gone with the larger bets, especially if playing solo with all other seats vacant ?

A close look at many wheel types will reveal ball speed tracking. Wheel speed control is not visible but a Forum member some time back, in the UK, bought an older type incomplete airball unit at a sale. He said it still had LEDs on the underside of the wheel linked to a CPU which linked to a servo electric motor and various little air pumps/tanks/soleniod valves & air lines.

If you can't find an interblock wheel go on line to their site. Why do they have 18 "diamonds" evenly spaced around the circle (actually large ball guides, roughly x3 the normal size) between the ball track & the pockets, plus any 2 diamonds only covers 2 pockets ?
Nothing like a live dealer casino wheel. I've played this type of wheel in the past. I was playing 33 numbers and varying the positions. I lost 6 times out of 7 spins. On the winning spin it only missed by 1 pocket. My 25 red was a winner but next door was an unbet number, 17 black, Euro wheel.

I cut my losses and bailed out. I've never played air/slingshot since.

Also I recommend a visit to the Cammegh U.K. roulette internet site. They supply many casinos with quality wheels & equipment.  They even state in their Airball promos that they have subtle in play wheel speed control on their units. As well they have air jets in the ball track to enable co-ordination of ball speed.

It all adds up to NON RANDOM SPIN RESULTS. These machines are in the gaming machine category
along with RNG roulette, RNG cards, RNG slots/poker machines. Airball/slingshot may look like random roulette but it ain't. As is live dealer Blackjack vs Vegas Star (VS) RNG blackjack. They have one of these in my local club = Metro Sydney Australia. Alongside RNG (VS) Roulette.
I watched it clean up all the card bets with 7 blackjacks back to back. Never seen that at the casino live dealer ever ?

Yes airball/slingshot, very effective gaming subterfuge that fools many a roulette player. Remember this type of game "knows" where all the bets are every spin whereas the live dealer wheel doesn't. Wouldn't it be good to be able to lock in your bets without the computer knowing your bets? That would then make it true random & the speed controllers redundant ? "Ain't never gunna happen"
I've written about this before with some posters not accepting my given facts.
Belief is a strange animal. Centuries ago the accepted view was the world was flat & one would fall off if you went too far.     

Regards - Ausguy.

Re: With your 11 step progession - One option I find worthwhile would be to have preset stop losses at various levels of your progression line. The live bet is replaced with a virtual (V) bet(s) (something you are basically already doing seeking a trigger prior to betting).
For example after a L4 loss V bet until a V win then resume live betting. On a L7 loss V bet again, same at L9, L10 & L11. Notice as the bet amounts increase the V bets are made more frequently on any loss.
It doesn't guarantee a win but certainly puts the brakes on a long string of losses. It keeps you in the game longer as you wait for the negatives to turn positive.

Many thanks for presenting this method mr green.

It looks like you have perhaps found a very playable limit for random. I will see if I can gather more stats etc..

Thanks again.

AMK

 I'm coding a system already, but I started writing the Roulette Xtreme code.
Mr Green do you have the RX system

Hi all,

After more testing this system failed once

Reaching 23 loses, 7 virtual 16 real, hitting on 24th

Would like to see this run on RX with real wheel numbers.


Overall its unreliable when used with standard progression.

Good luck

Well at long last a system that actually delivers, playing exactly as per your instructions have actually won, what i would like to find now is a casino that does not use software to monitor bets then hopefully i should start making serious money. Thankyou for sharing with us if you know of any such casino preferably on low stakes then i would be very grateful. Once again thankyou

Thank you

My local gala casino have computer screens with four live real wheels running all day long.

With min bets from 0.10 any system can be played

If you do decide to play my system as it is, play with caution.


;) 

Mr Green,

You did a lot of testing, weeks without a loss.

May I ask how many units you won, I doubt you ended in the negative and will have several more weeks before a another loss.

Hi amk


The testing ive done was not very precise, i only recorded the outcome mentally.

I would be well over the initial bankroll probably doubled it even with the loss but knowing it can go to the 24th before a win doesnt give me much confidence when playing with £2400.

   So not sure what to do with this system now.


Any ideas

;)

Mr Green,

I have now played this a few times in a bricks and mortar casino and so far have not gone above the 5th progression i play for 3 wins then end the session, each time i have averaged 106 units i just wish that i could find an online casino that i could trust 100%

You can trust Dublin Bet.

Hi Two Cat Sam, thankyou for your reply, as i often use bricks and mortar casinos i find that they are busiest in the evenings and yet when viewing dublinbet it seems that there are more punters there in the mornings than at night which actually makes me suspicious that it is not as live as they would make us think

I play there a lot, both roulette and back-a-rat.  I've seen the tables both crowded and empty at all hours of the day.  Yes, it's more likely to be sparse in the morning.  I've seen both tables full at 6 am their time.  I've seen them empty at 10 pm their time.  Irish are stranger gamblers.

I think a lot of people don't like Dublin as they have no excuse when they lose.  Hey, we gotta blame something/someone.  Couldn't be us!!

Well, it's me and I'll bet it's everyone else, too.

And, yes, Spielbank changes dealers sometimes every four spins.  You can bet someone is winning at that table when that happens.

Just my opinion; I have not been up the mountain.

TCS

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 23, 2012, 08:17:58 PM

And, yes, Spielbank changes dealers sometimes every four spins.  You can bet someone is winning at that table when that happens.

Just my opinion; I have not been up the mountain.

TwoCatSam

When someone is winning big, dealer change is likely to hapen, but that isnt becasue just for 4 spins since new dealer came. You cant make damage to the casino in just 4 spins...  :whistle:

What happens most likely is that croupier makes bad spin or any other mistake in the game and player has right to ask pit boss to change him/her immedietaly.

Happy holidays

Drazen

Mr. green do you play this on RNG?

Zabbot

I have tried playing this way on RNG at william hill casino club, european roulette.

What I have done is download the casino and opened a real account.
Then when i want to test a new idea, all i do is turn off the internet access and open william hill cc in practise mode, by clicking on JOIN NOW this will automatically let you play off line with no interference from their side.

RNG is easier to do the initial system testing as you get around 3-4 spins a second.

But the long streaks come more frequently with afew more added on. lol



The one thing i dont like when playing rng for real is when you need a win sometimes the ball spins for longer as if the computer is working out the bets on the table, also have tried betting for streaks and they never come.


To me the real wheel should be most fair, especially when playing with lots of other players.













   

Hi all,

If anyone is interested in playing this system and has alot of patience.

Try waiting for 12 virtual loses, then 3 flat bets.

No progression

When all three bets lose, wait for another 12 virtual loses and repeat.

Is anyone willing to code this for RX?


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