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I don't know if this is true or not. It's from the site scam site removed. I have read it, and I think it is interesting.

HOW TO FIND A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET


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ALLOW ME TO SHOW YOU WHERE TO LOOK

THIS PAGE IS THE ONLY PLACE....WHERE YOU WILL FIND THE
TRUE ANSWER


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CHILDREN IN NEED....ONLY AFTER I MAKE YOU A WINNER!

THATS THE DEAL


Allow me to tell you once and forever...you can... find a bet that will beat the game of roulette.


Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds.   

There are a few bets you can engineer that will give you a profit every time you play a session of roulette. My Trust members and I only use the one bet I developed 13 years ago. There are a small number of bets in use by professional players that will give you a profitable and consistent income. Finding them, or having the knowledge to engineer one is the difficult thing.

Totally honest people and mathematicians who fail to find a way, say it cannot be done. They have been looking at beating the odds. Roulette is a casino owners dream game. The odds as one would normally look at for any betting cannot be beaten. It is the game itself where I and the other professional players have found the answer.

Unfortunately there is much confusion about roulette. I will now try to cut through the absolute rubbish you have been subject to by amateurs and losers who do not understand the game, or the fact the game is random, is actually to your advantage.

You must understand one important fact before you proceed. You will never find a roulette bet that will win every bet you place. You can find a bet that will win more bets or money than losing ones. So for example if you win 3 bets out of every 5 you place at even odds you are winning at a rate of one in five or two in ten. Therefore to win twenty x your bet you would need to plan a session of one hundred bets. Different odds mean a different calculation.

There are numerous reasons why almost 99.9% of people lose...and only one reason why professional people win. Professionals have a formula to beat the game, which they work with and make more winning bets than losing ones.... that's it.  It is that simple.

It is of course not that "simple" to find a "bet" that fits into a "formula" to give you a "consistent winning bet".  The bottom line here of course, is it possible for an ordinary person to find it?  Yes of course....the big...IF is,  are you prepared to put some effort into learning.  If you are one of the thousands of "expert losers" I have met. You will have to forget all the crap you know, and start afresh.

Do not proceed until you understand each section.

There are of course the millions of losers, and those who bet who will say no. There are of course me and my "Trust" of 64 members...and about 200 more roulette professional players in the world who are living proof...it is a resounding yes!

I am going to tell you how they, all and I found what I call "a consistent winning bet".

We found it by looking at the "Game" not the "Odds", and used a great deal of "lateral thinking" in the research. I was not the greatest of thinkers and found mine by default.

I do, however lucky I may have been...know that of all the winning bets, mine is far superior to all the others in respect of not only simple to use, but the most profitable of all. I am not in the habit of bragging...that is simply a fact.  It may well be beaten on performance one day, by one of you.

Many people included the over-educated do not understand this concept of thinking. You can get many books on this subject and study. Please allow me to show you some "shortcuts" the average person can use without years of brain training

First you must know all there is to know about "roulette" and all the "conventional" bets, the table, and wheel layout etc. If, as most punters in the casinos, you don't know the basics, you deserve to lose. Quite simple...if you're not totally professional, you are the mug punter casinos love.

To find a consistent winning bet you must forget all about "the maths" of roulette. You must forget all the silly "systems" that abound. You must apply the finest asset man has available to him. It is pure commonsense.  Maths of course will come to play its part when testing the consistency and profitability of the bet you formulate. If it is consistent and profitable...the odds have been taken care of.

Now you see that trying to beat the odds will only distract you from trying to find a bet that beats the game. Beating the game?  Simple...lets look at the game properly, and what happens in roulette that is totally different to any other casino game.

Here are the three main "Traps" and why, unless you can beat them...you cannot win. To beat them you must understand them.  No "shortcuts" here, if you don't learn...you will not earn. Roulette players will not accept that all they do is...guess!  But that's a fact! They are the world's biggest losers..., which open the cash door to professional players.

Roulette produces random results:

1.  Roulette  series results

2.  Roulette  mixed results

3.  Roulette  cross combination results

I could go on and on, but understanding those three will lead you to finding a consistent winning bet. There are only a few that will give you a profit return to secure your wealth for life. Some are of course better than others in percentage returns. Professional players or city money dealers will know that even a small but consistent margin can make a fortune if exploited regular.

Lets continue with proven facts like this. Lets deal with each of those "killer" traps.

SERIES RESULTS:

Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters of the game. Because it is random it throws up colours, numbers, dozens, even bets, and blocks in short and longer series. This results in a "pattern" that you may recognise. A good lesson to look at these patterns, because it will teach your brain how to think about roulette.

However you will not find a consistent winning bet within any of the series simply because you will never know when the change comes. This kind of bet is often touted by the roulette system sharks. You will lose...twice.

MIXED RESULTS:

These are the kind that jump all over the table or wheel. Look closely and of course you can see patterns of a kind too. Ie. abccbaabcabcdca ...etc. Same rules as above apply.

This post has been edited by moderators as it is from a known scammer. A legitimate site that teaches you how to beat roulette is at nolinks.genuinewinner.com/truth.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/truth.html)


CROSS COMBINATION RESULTS:

This is probably the area where there is the most confusion, and perfect for the sharks to sell you a system. There is no such thing as "Cross combination results" They are simply past results that anyone can say...look at how many reds followed high etc.etc. It is wide open to impress you with what's looks clever.  I have to cover this crap because so many "experts" and "sellers" all over the Internet use this.

They are all traps you use, and lose. You have to set your own trap that consistently traps more winners than losers. Only correct knowledge can help you find one. Proceed slowly.

THIS IS THE KEY TO THE DOOR TO FINDING THAT WINNING BET:

You will need to know as much as possible about roulette

Now you should look in detail at all the moves that happen on a roulette table. (Not the wheel)  At first or even second glance you will perhaps not see them, because you are looking at all the conventional moves. This is the "Unconventional" thinking you need

This is the only place where you find that genuine winning bet. There is nothing complicated about the bets you can find. For example...our bet is "automatic". We know where to bet each and every spin of the wheel. We know that individual bets do not matter win or lose...because we know that we will have enough winning bets to return a great profit every session.

To the best of my knowledge there are four winning bets in total to be found within the game. I have learned to always keep an open mind. Therefore I accept there may be others I have no knowledge of. I do know that this website is miss-named!  It should be 4million.com because that is the average I earned from my bet in 13 years play.

There is no-one only yourself, stopping you from doing exactly the same. Dreams are a wonderful to have...but without the action to turn them to reality...they remain just a dream.

I can tell you that it may not be easy, and may take you some time, but you are now looking in the right place, where you can spend all your time, effort, and research. There are a few bets that can be engineered from certain movements. Some have a very small risk factor, ranging to a bet like ours with a proven no risk factor at all. The only risk coming from the casino management. (See page 5 on how to deal with that.)

Now you can perhaps make one more clever move yourself. For instance...if you can find a bet that has real "Stability", and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is "A BET WITHIN THAT BET".  It will be a slow winner...but a winner is a winner!  It also may be that the "CONSISTENCY" is so good you can bet quite heavy. You may just need a "Dummy" (no win - no lose) bet to while the time.  (see page 5) 

I am going to give you one last clue that will take you as far as I can without giving the bet away.  Make a list of every move that can happen...check out the possibilities of each move...if you have not found the right ones...you must look again. They are there and that is a proven fact.  It may take you some time...the payoff is huge...and for life!

Now you know why I have cancelled my email advice service. I cannot tell you more without disclosing our bet. I will therefore not answer any questions. There is a comprehensive Q & A page to help you Page 6

FOOD FOR THOUGHT......TRAIN YOUR BRAIN
If  you found a bet that was guaranteed to consistently... LOSE.
You have found a guaranteed... WINNER?

Weird? I've read the site from top to bottom. He doesn't sell anything, then I thought he probably want's you to donate to his trust A.C.E.T.F. but It doesn't accept any donations of any kind? Then I thought, maybe it is just some sick joke of online casinos to lure more people to gambling online, but he only says to only bet in landbased casino's. Really Weird???

He's talking about randomness and movements on the table not on the wheel? I dont know what to think of this site?

........ he mentions a lot of times " I'am going to show you how " but does not explain anything. Only says like you say, watch the table.



I do agree to bett only on land based casinos.





Carlitos  8)

QuoteIs Charles Edward Hampshire the Pro.Gambler the biggest long term Roulette winner in the uk.?
Does anyone know of any other gambler like him who gives his winnings away?

From Yahoo answers. Well I guess the guys for real.

But why start this "I've got a secret but I'm not telling" business?
Having said that, I'll keep his words in mind in the future. Interesting but not as yet helpful.

He says a few things, they are in the text. But how to use them, I'm not sure. I'm going to give it a try, just for fun.  I always loved solving puzzles :-)

Thanks for sharing JHM.

Sounds very reassuring and motivational. But nothing more, no free dinner served. ;D

Sometimes we do need such encouragement, especially us, young and new grinders. It is still 'useful' at least on a psychological level.

I do appreciate what he said.

Best wishes to all of you,
Marven

Roules, does that prove he is for real?? I come accross the same website. It's just an question that someone posted. Does not prove anything.



Perhaps try to look in the yellow pages whether the name excist at all??






Carlitos  8)

The only clues I could find: 

You have to place 4 bets in total.

You have to place a bet within a bet.

A guaranteed Loser is a guaranteed Winner?

You have to look on the board not the wheel.

Then he talks about the layout of the board, that there are some irregularities. Like 3th column has 8 red and 4 black, and red + odd covers 10. And last but not least that in the first dozen there is only 1 black + odd (11) so I think its got to do something with placing bets on one of the column's one on a color and one on odd or even and then a number, the total is then 4.

He also says to trap the bet?

Hi Ka2,




Thanks for going through his website  :D



.... and the second column has 8 black and 4 reds. And the first column has 6 of each.




Carlitos  8)

Two Dozens and 2 Columns is a four unit bet also - and covers all but 5 numbers on a euro wheel. 16 of those numbers will profit, 16 will incur a small loss and 5 will lose outright.
It's not really a bet within a bet though.

@Carlitos - yes fair point that doesn't prove anything

he sounds like hes selling something, i havent looked at the website but if he is then the chances are he's talking s*** to make people believe he has something so they will buy his crap, if you made 3 or 4 million why would you be selling it? i wouldnt even waste my time trying to, id be on my boat with loadsa lovely ladies!  ;D

......... I had the same thoughts Ryan08, but it seems he is selling nothing.....






Carlitos  8)

....... in the 1st dozen there is also 1 red even, 12. In the first dozen there are 5 reds odds against 1 red even. Total  6. And 5 black even against 1 black odd 11. Total 6.


In de second dozen it is 3 agianst 3, 2 times. And in the third dozen it is 4 against 2, 2 times.


So -,

1st dozen - 5/1 - 5/1
2d dozen  - 3/3 - 3/3
3th dozen - 4/2 - 4/2.





Carlitos  8)

Hi guys,

Nice thread, looks like the puzzle is slowly coming together  ;)

Keep up the good work.

Best regards
Kingpin

Hello Guys.

If you read his pages you will see that he says that you can not beat the odds but you can beat the game.
The way to do this is have a consistent bet. You can not be a gambler and have to be able to bet in a professional manner.
When twocatsam recorded a video using something along the lines of part of my system, he won 19 bets out of 20. That is a consistent bet. With a good consistent bet do you know how much money you can win using a positive progression.
Even if you are betting a 1/2 chance.
$100 becomes $150.
$150 becomes $225.
$200 becomes $300.
$300 becomes $450.
$400 becomes $600.
$600 becomes $900.
$800 becomes $1200.
$1200 becomes $1800.
$1800 becomes $2700.
$2600 becomes $3900.
The $275 change you can donate to anybody you like. The point is 10 winning bets on a 1/2 chance gives you 38/1 return. It can be done on a very regular basis. Charles may have elaborated a little bit, I am not sure. But the premise is sound and it can be done. I especially liked this bit on his pages.

"Totally honest people and mathematicians who fail to find a way, say it cannot be done. They have been looking at beating the odds. Roulette is a casino owners dream game. The odds as one would normally look at for any betting cannot be beaten. It is the game itself where I and the other professional players have found the answer."

I could not agree more, it is 100% correct. I have won $1000s a week playing a consistent bet and it is only greed that beats me now and then.

This part...

"I discovered something about roulette that should happen more often...a lot more often, but did not! It was because I have this habit of converting results into code that I spotted it. I don't think I was too excited at the time because long-term results at roulette usually prove short-term results to be false. This was too interesting to pass up.

Full research was called for. The work paid off. It was indeed something I could take advantage of. Instead of looking for something that "worked" I had by default found something that did not. The opposite was wide open! A little tweaking and how best to play this, and the time and session needed. I finished up with a safe roulette bet that CONSISTENTLY won.

I MUST EXPLAIN THIS: I HAD NOT BEATEN THE ODDS...I HAD FOUND A BET THAT BEATS THE GAME. "


and this part

"Worst of all was Internet betting of whatever colour you choose. Probably the most corrupt gambling in the world. It should be banned, because it takes advantage of the most vulnerable, and simple minded in our society. Says much about the state of our educational systems when millions lose much needed money to these sharks daily."

....are also worth bearing in mind.

regards

enrique

.......... but then again Enrique Malou, he also says on his website that one can not win every spin.... When Twocatsam won 19 out of 20 it is almost every spin. Now, i'am not saying that Twocatsam did not win 19 out of 20.


I'am just refering too what Charly says on his website. You can not win every next spin but see how it moves and then trap the bett..... whatever that may be??


So I think he means by consistent bett something like, 2 wins out of 5.....




But perhaps you can explain more as you say it can be done??






Carlitos  8)

I am just thinking what he say on his site. If he is claiming to win $3 million a year or whatever figure he claims. Winning $3 million is an average $60000 a week. If I wanted to achieve that, then I would need to be hitting a good 10/15 positive progression streaks of 9/10 winning bets per week. Also he must be putting down some big money to start with. So then I ask myself bearing that in mind how does he portray himself as a loser who is only an occasional winner. He would attract my attention betting like this. You would have to be playing this style in high roller joints where you could try and fit in with the other big fish. For sure it would be just a matter of time before you were banned from every casino unless you travelled far and wide. But with technology available to the casino today, you would only get away with it for so long. I agree you can not win every bet. Many times I can lose 5 in a row but for making big winnings you also have to have a method that traps a good long 7/8 winning sequence. How you bet it and then not allow greed to takeover is the fine line between winning and losing. For me I am not sure if his claims are a big hoax or not. I really hope they are true.

regards

enrique

.............. indeeed!! It is very diffecult to get away with these amounts......








Carlitos  8)

Thanks for posting this.  I am always entrigued by these types of website.

I read the entire site and also took a look at his ACETF.org site.  It's all very interesting, but for someone with that kind of money and philanthropic endeavors one would think you'd be able to find more about him and his cause.  Private trusts established for the common good (as he indicates his is for "poor children") usually receive loads of press, good or bad.  He also says that he was raised wealthy, but even the British Collection on Ancestry.com does not provide a succession to show that.

I am not saying anything he indicates is untrue.  I'm just looking to verify a bit of it.

Another item that is subject would be that if your cause is that of educating or 'helping' children, which is truly a worldwide and worthy cause, why would you not want to maximize the number of people that can assist you with it.  Even if they didn't join you, but established their own philantropic efforts somewhere in the world it would be absolutely beneficial to society as a whole.

For those members of the ACETF, what's your legacy?  Does your "consistent winning bet" die when you die?  Why would you not want to keep your cause and efforts alive?  Why not take a leadership role within the roulette community?  Regardless of whether you share your secret, there will always be people who will follow in the footsteps of true leadership.  If what you say is true, do the honorable thing and share it.  Allow all to prosper.  Is not that your true mission?

Wally,

I have tried to contact (the woman) of the ACETF.org site. The mail isn't working. Tried to mail her several months ago.

JHM,

Thanks for posting all this.  Very interesting, isn't it?  Would be interested to hear if you get a response.  Perhaps you can invite them to this site....

The trust "owns" the "bet" Only the website will be closed down when he dies. Also he's betting flat, so no progression. And ofcourse you have to "look" for a bet within that bet.

What kind of system was twocatsam using? With that 19/20 streak?

Also it's obvious that his name is an alias, I also looked if his was an anagram of some sort but i couldnt discover anything. And what about anonymous donations, you couldnt trace that?

19 out of 20  I am using the system I posted under "Testing".  I made the chart.  And before you say it, this really could all be luck!!

This was a no-money test and the system did win just like I said.  That was a phenomenal run of numbers in my direction.  May not see that again in a year.

Now, what I've learned from this enrique business is that the d/s will run for you and then against you.  Whether you're on RNG or live, it will do the same thing. 

With a live wheel, you can buzz off and come back when you hope the run is for you.  With RNG, I don't know.  I weathered a downturn in excess of $120 the other day and then recovered on about five bets.  If you walk away on RNG, you're still in the same spot when you come back!!  I'm thinking of playing a dummy system for fifty spins and then seeing if anything changes.

The RNG at Golden Palace does do freaky things.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 01, 2008, 12:07:06 PM
  And before you say it, this really could all be luck!!

You really starting to know me... ;D

About rng? Never ever ever consider playing it!!! Also the whole concept of "the bet" is about "lateral" thinking, think outside the box. Don't beat the odds, because that's impossible. Think about beating the game!

I'm going to play it for a while.....

......... I also mailed the email address posted on the acetf.org website. Haven't heard anything so far.....







Carlitos  8)

Carlitos,

Was your mail delivered? I got a error when I tried to mail (several months ago).

@All I do believe this is interesting, I'm planning to make summary of his site when I have the time.

.............. i have not received " postmaster failed delivery " yet.


I read the website very quickly yesterday. Only the first 3 or 4 pages are somehow intresting were he or she says something about movements etc.... But does not give too much clues or explains in detail.....




Carlitos  8)

Quote from: Ka2 on November 30, 2008, 06:24:31 AM
The only clues I could find: 

You have to place 4 bets in total.

You have to place a bet within a bet.

A guaranteed Loser is a guaranteed Winner?

You have to look on the board not the wheel.

Then he talks about the layout of the board, that there are some irregularities. Like 3th column has 8 red and 4 black, and red + odd covers 10. And last but not least that in the first dozen there is only 1 black + odd (11) so I think its got to do something with placing bets on one of the column's one on a color and one on odd or even and then a number, the total is then 4.

He also says to trap the bet?

Hi ka2,

¿Coincidences with other site - Relaxed Roulette??

nolinks://nolinks.relaxedroulette.com/ (nolinks://nolinks.relaxedroulette.com/)

This one has nothing to do with Izak Matataya or Edmund Petitjean (the original relaxed), only the name is the same.
It seems is a special type of bet that wins consistent in the long term, but I don´t know, maybe is a scam (the ebook is sell for 40 uk pounds)- there are 2 ebooks with the same price.
Maybe that bet is covering the zero.

This is what the author says :

The Relaxed Roulette 'Stay & Play All Day' System allows you to win that golden £10 per spin profit, but with far less risk to the bankroll.

It does this by only requiring small bet amounts to make comparatively high profits. The most important thing to remember is that it offers you this, while at the same time offering MORE CHANCES OF LANDING A WINNING NUMBER.

Equally important is that a winning bet WINS YOU DOUBLE than a losing bet.

So what you need to know is that a win will land you 166% of your stake, while a loss will only lose 33% of your stake.

Let's talk numbers –

Winning bets:

• If you bet £12, you win £20 = £8 profit

• If you bet £15, you win £25 = £10 profit

Losing bets:

• If you bet £12, you win £8 = £4 loss

• If you bet £15, you win £10 = £5 loss

And so on... these are just example to give you an idea of the profit margin involved.


So you can see that considering these are small, steady, flat bets, with no progression, you are achieving very healthy online profits. That is a lot more bang per buck and profit margin, given that you have a higher chance of winning each time.

Even if you have a run of lose, win, lose, win, lose; you will still remain in profit.

You can have more losses than wins and your bankroll will not go down. But remember that there are many more chances of winning than losing with this system, so that won't happen anyway.

• Long-term winning system. We've managed to develop a 0% house edge roulette system by accounting for the zero giving us even odds. You have already seen this in action in the video demonstration. The Full EBook manual covers how we have achieved this.

We feel this is actually a genuine example of how to beat online roulette. We found (by accident essentially) one small anomaly in the layout of the numbers on the table. We calculated the winnings if all numbers landed while the Relaxed Roulette System (SPAD) was in place, and subtracted the amount we would lose if we place the same amount but all numbers landed and we lost every spin. We found the answer was 0. We won't go into too much detail here, but damn it's good!

• The small stake amounts result in very large and consistent profit margins, making steady online profits for our effort – There is nothing more satisfying than watching your bankroll reliably increase with time. We find the Relaxed Roulette System (SPAD) rewards us for our time and effort.

=====================

I have done some tests using the lines with the columns and dozens to try to replicate this :

zero = 0.17u.
D1 =1u.
D2 =1u.
Line 1-6=1u.
Line 10-15=1u.
Line 19-24=1u.
C1=0.17u.
C2=0.33u.
C3=0.33u.

Total bet = 6

What do you think mates??

Cheers,
JLP.-

Hi All,

Which type of bet gives those payouts?
Is a problem of designing the bet.
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We feel this is actually a genuine example of how to beat online roulette. We found (by accident essentially) one small anomaly in the layout of the numbers on the table. We calculated the winnings if all numbers landed while the Relaxed Roulette System (SPAD) was in place, and subtracted the amount we would lose if we place the same amount but all numbers landed and we lost every spin. We found the answer was 0. We won't go into too much detail here, but damn it's good!
===============================
The only anomaly in the layout table is in the different distribution of R/B numbers in the 2nd. and 3rd. columns.

Cheers,
JLP.-

im not sure what you mean by 'what do you think about this' reffering to the bet, but as a bet it wont win

i think the only way to see if the board has anomalies in the layout you need to map it out on the wheel layout so eg, the 5 even blacks and 1 odd in the first dozen, you need to see how they are on the wheel, if they are spread out randomly on the wheel then the way they ae on the board has absolutly no meaning

JHM, your post of Charles' winning bet is so intriguing. I've never really been bothered by the veracity of the claims, or not--- or the claimant.
I am, on the contrary, very grateful for your introducing it. And on a personal note, I firmly believe this is territory worth exploring!

Nenolinks Ken!

hmmmmmm very interesting stuff JLP! I'am going to give this some thought.

There are also more anomaly's like 5 red+odd in the first dozen only 3 of them in the second dozen and 2 in the last... and vica versa ofcourse.

also 5 out of 3 is 1,66 I remember charles saying something about 5 in 3 odds

"So for example if you win 3 bets out of every 5 you place at even odds you are winning at a rate of one in five or two in ten. Therefore to win twenty x your bet you would need to plan a session of one hundred bets. Different odds mean a different calculation.""

Ken,

I'm glad to hear that. It keeps me thinking too.

Oke let's start some brainstorming:

Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds.

Given: we can beat the game, not the odds. We knew that.
First (1): beat the game not the odds

There are a small number of bets in use by professional players that will give you a profitable and consistent income.

Given: there are multiple bets.
Second (2): there are multiple bets. We're not looking for one bet specific, there are different possibilities.

There are a few bets you can engineer that will give you a profit every time you play a session of roulette.

Given: they give a profit somewhere in the session (the point where we are suppose to stop).
Third (3): We need a stop loss / win limit

You will never find a roulette bet that will win every bet you place. You can find a bet that will win more bets or money than losing ones.

Given: we're not looking for a bet that never loses.
Fourth (4): we're looking for a bet that wins more than it loses (logic).

There are a small number of bets in use by professional players that will give you a profitable and consistent income. So for example if you win 3 bets out of every 5 you place at even odds you are winning at a rate of one in five or two in ten.

Given: no big ups and downs, the bet is consistent. 3 out of 5 is a winning rate?
Fifth (5): If you win 3 our of 5 bet's, the bet has a pay out range of approximately 50% (But he says it's just a example). Let keep this in mind but not lead us to the wrong track. (But he says it's just a example). Let keep this in mind but not lead us to the wrong track.

Professionals have a formula to beat the game, which they work with and make more winning bets than losing ones.... that's it.  It is that simple. It is of course not that "simple" to find a "bet" that fits into a "formula" to give you a "consistent winning bet".

Given: we need to work with a formula.
Sixth (6) : we need to work with a formula. What kind of?

We found it by looking at the "Game" not the "Odds", and used a great deal of "lateral thinking" in the research. I was not the greatest of thinkers and found mine by default. Many people included the over-educated do not understand this concept of thinking.

Given: we need to think Lateral.
Seventh (7): Think lateral, don't make it to hard on the thinking. Sometimes things are more easy than they seem. After reinstalling your computer several times you found out that it was your modem not your computer.

First you must know all there is to know about "roulette" and all the "conventional" bets, the table, and wheel layout etc. If, as most punters in the casinos, you don't know the basics, you deserve to lose.

Given: we need to know every detail of te game.
Eight ( 8 ): know every detail of the game. From table to wheel.

You must apply the finest asset man has available to him. It is pure commonsense.  Maths of course will come to play its part when testing the consistency and profitability of the bet you formulate. If it is consistent and profitable...the odds have been taken care of.

Given: we need to use our common sense. Maths do play part in our way of (we're looking for a bet not a system) play but only in the formula. The odds will be taken care of when the bet, formula and common sense are figured out.
Nine (9):  use common sense. Maths only play a part in the formula. Odds will be taken care when bet, common sense and formula are used right. w - l = 5 - 3 = 2? (simple formula, but hey, he told us not to make it to hard on our self?).

Now you see that trying to beat the odds will only distract you from trying to find a bet that beats the game. Beating the game?

Given: the odds only distract us from beating the game. We only need to know them to make find our bet, they are not the fundament of the bet.
Ten (10): odds are needed to calculate the bet with, but are not the fundament of the bet.


''Simple...lets look at the game properly, and what happens in roulette that is totally different to any other casino game. Here are the three main "Traps" and why, unless you can beat them...you cannot win. To beat them you must understand them.  No "shortcuts" here, if you don't learn...you will not earn. Roulette players will not accept that all they do is...guess!  But that's a fact! They are the world's biggest losers..., which open the cash door to professional players. ''

Given: can the traps be beaten?.
Eleven (11): we need to figure out how to beat the traps / one of the traps to beat the game.

See the traps: Serie results, Mixed results, Cross combination results.

They are all traps you use, and lose. You have to set your own trap that consistently traps more winners than losers.

Given: if we use theim like discribed we'll lose.
Twelve (12): do we want to beat one of the three traps above or do we need to find a 'new' trap?

Now you should look in detail at all the moves that happen on a roulette table. (Not the wheel)  At first or even second glance you will perhaps not see them, because you are looking at all the conventional moves. This is the "Unconventional" thinking you need.

Given: we need to look at the table, not the wheel. We need to think unconventional.
Thirteen (13): confusing, in 8 is told we need to know the table and the wheel. Than how is the wheel connected to the bet?

There is nothing complicated about the bets you can find. For example...our bet is "automatic". We know where to bet each and every spin of the wheel.

Given: the bet is automatic, that does not mean the bet is on the same place every move.
Fourteen (14): The bet is automatic, automatic in which way?

We know that individual bets do not matter win or lose...because we know that we will have enough winning bets to return a great profit every session.

Given: it's not given we will win every move. The winning bets return a great profit? But the bet is consistent see 5.
Fifteen (15): what is meant by a great profit? Is that 10% 25% 50% 60% 70% 80%. Or is the great profit the more winning than losing bets?

There are a few bets that can be engineered from certain movements.

Given: the bet is engineered from a movement.
Sixteen (16): the bet is engineered from a movement, is the bet based on a past result?

To the best of my knowledge there are four winning bets in total to be found within the game. Some have a very small risk factor, ranging to a bet like ours with a proven no risk factor at all.

Given: there are 4 bets, multiple bets. We know that see 2. Their bet has a proven no risk factor? Can the game be played without risk? The odds say it can't. But we shouldn't be looking to the odds but the game.
Seventeen (17): the bet has no risk but a great pay off (see 15). The odds are how more risk how better they pay off. But than again, what is great 1 unit, 2 units, 3 units? We need to figure out what is great our self.

Now you can perhaps make one more clever move yourself. For instance...if you can find a bet that has real "Stability", and it does not lose, but does not give you a profit, you could look and test to see if there is "A BET WITHIN THAT BET".

Given: we need to look for s stabile bet that does not win neither lose. Is that possible? Only with no zero roulette and all nr's / dozen / ec / eg / etc. covered.
Eighteen (18): what bet does neither win nor los. What bet is within that bet?

Make a list of every move that can happen...check out the possibilities of each move...if you have not found the right ones...you must look again. They are there and that is a proven fact.  It may take you some time...the payoff is huge...and for life!

Given: we need to make a list of every bet that can possibly happen? My math isn't that good but, 37 x 37 x 37 ............ (when only looked to numbers). There are million / billion of bets?
Nineteen (19): make a list of every bet that can possibly happen. That are millions / billions of bets?

1.  Beat the game not the odds
2. There are multiple bets. We're not looking for one bet specific, there are different possibilities.
3. We need a stop loss / win limit
4. We're looking for a bet that wins more than it loses (logic).
5. If you win 3 our of 5 bet's, the bet has a pay out range of approximately 50% (But he says it's just a example). Let keep this in mind but not lead us to the wrong track.
6. We need to work with a formula. What kind of?
7. Think lateral, don't make it to hard on the thinking. Sometimes things are more easy than they seem. After reinstalling your computer several times you found out that it was your modem not your computer.
8. Know every detail of the game. From table to wheel.
9. use common sense. Maths only play a part in the formula. Odds will be taken care when bet, common sense and formula are used right. w - l = 5 - 3 = 2? (simple formula, but hey, he told us not to make it to hard on our self?).
10. Odds are needed to calculate the bet with, but are not the fundament of the bet.
11. We need to figure out how to beat the traps / one of the traps to beat the game.
12. Do we want to beat one of the three traps above or do we need to find a 'new' trap?
13. Confusing, in 8 is told we need to know the table and the wheel. Than how is the wheel connected to the bet?
14. The bet is automatic, automatic in which way?
15. What is meant by a great profit? Is that 10% 25% 50% 60% 70% 80%. Or is the great profit the more winning than losing bets?
16. The bet is engineered from a movement, is the bet based on a past result?
17. The bet has no risk but a great pay off (see 15). The odds are how more risk how better they pay off. But than again, what is great 1 unit, 2 units, 3 units? We need to figure out what is great our self.
18. What bet does neither win nor los. What bet is within that bet?
19. Make a list of every bet that can possibly happen. That are millions / billions of bets?

WHAT I DONT GET IS EVERYONE KEEPS HANGING ON TO THE FACT THERE ARE 5 EVEN BLACKS IN DOZEN ONE ETC. HOW ARE YOU GUYS GOINGF TO PUT THAT IN A BET? IM JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW BECAUSE I CANT THINK OF ONE AND IF THERE IS NO WAY TO DO IT THEN WHY WOULD IT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANCE?

Hi,

Yes, I believe what I have posted earlier have many points in common to what the man (Edward) is talking about.
He says we must find the stable or consistent bet base (that nor wins or losses - break even) and that bet we must add another one (a bet inside a bet) that is what makes us win.
============================================================

Equally important is that a winning bet WINS YOU DOUBLE than a losing bet.
So what you need to know is that a win will land you 166% of your stake, while a loss will only lose 33% of your stake.

Let's talk numbers
–Winning bets:
• If you bet £12, you win £20 = £8 profit
• If you bet £15, you win £25 = £10 profit
-Losing bets:
• If you bet £12, you win £8 = £4 loss
• If you bet £15, you win £10 = £5 loss

Even if you have a run of lose, win, lose, win, lose; you will still remain in profit.
When you win, you win exactly twice the amount than you would potentially lose.

There is also a 'holiday region' in which you win the same amount you staked.
Therefore with every spin, you have far higher chance of either winning or evens than there is of losing.There are some numbers that lose entirely, but as mentioned before, the rare occasions that this may happen is far outweighed.

Also could gather another info :

Each bet you play with 6 units. A winning spin receives 66% profit. A losing spin loses 33%. So already we have a far better profit percentage than losing which is what we need. Secondly, two-thirds of the table are winning numbers. There a few numbers that lose outright but the odds of hitting these are around 10%. But because of the high profit percentage on winning spins you only need to win 1.5 times to recover from one of these 6 unit losses. This is why it works in the long term.

I have made some tests with different types of bets:

21/12= 1.75 ----> it must be 1.66
3/12 = 0.25 ----> it must be 0.33

20/12 = 1.66 : win 8
4/12 = 0.33 : loss 4  

The bet must be designed to match exactly this % of payouts.

Also the zero must be covered.

Cheers,
JLP.-

Ka2,

I agree that this may all be anonymous, but that would beg more questions.  Such as, why post it at all and then go into your cancer survivor story and add a few more pages about not disclosing the secret and then lead us to another website with email links and try to bring up the plight of kids in need and then do it all anonymously?  What's in it for him/her/them?  Where's the purpose?  Some of it does not meet the common sense factor, nor the this shit don't stink factor.  Just my opinion.  I am hopeful the guy is for real and we'll figure out the "consistenly winning bet", make a bazzilion bucks, donate most of it, tell our own cancer story and save the world. 

i got a good tip for you JLP if the bet you find can break even or better then that is a very good base for a progression, if anything works flatbet(breakeven means it works aswell) it will work with reasonable progression, dont get to hung up about the bet within a bet as its not the only way, i know this for fact.

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ROULETTE RANDOMNESS

THE SYSTEM KILLER ?



This is probably the most difficult to explain without giving our bet away.

It is the one thing that defeats all the clever mathematicians and those who do not think it cannot be overcome.

It can be, and our bet is the definitive proof. It is the "Randomness" of roulette which is the killer of every system I have ever checked. I have made a point of collecting them all. I don't think there is a single one I have not fully tested.

Nevertheless I will try to explain some things that may be of help to you.

Roulette randomness is confined to being random within the numbers, dozens, colours, etc. of the wheel and table. That will be 37 or 38 for the two standard wheels. Therefore it is not infinite randomness.

The list of combinations that can be produced is endless and it is there the mathematics seem insurmountable. But let me take you beyond the maths and look at the problem from a different angle.

There is no 100% solution but a solution that can produce winners in excess of 51% of the odds against you for any bet...is a winning solution. Finding it is the problem.

A simple example is that say you are betting on a 37 number wheel. On a even odds bet, you would need to win a minimum of 19 out 37 bets consistently. On a 2 to 1 bet you need to win 13 out of 37. That is the basic maths roulette is based on.

Note: The casinos actually make about 30% profit from players...because of the way people play. 99% of roulette players are "gamblers" and will never learn. That is of course great news for professionals. Think about it.

People have been led to believe there are patterns formed from previous results. What they see is not patterns but simply little or longer series of certain numbers or sections etc. This does happen because with the absolute randomness of a genuine wheel there is no exact evenness.

No one can "predict" the changes or swings of an innate ball or wheel. It is the random "changes" that kill any pattern you may think you have seen. They are too huge to repeat for your benefit. If you have been looking for patterns, please stop fooling yourself.

This may sound like a contradiction, but it is not. There are patterns or a better description would be random series, short and long formed by the pure randomness. Trapping the runs, and trapping the changes quickly enough (not all) but at a better than the odds rate will make you a winner.

Taking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette. Look at the game...not the maths. A winning bet does that automatically

Pure maths or any systems based on the stupid following of patterns does not work. Do not be fooled by the odd bit of luck. That too is random.

There is a way to take advantage of randomness within roulette. When I found it over fourteen years ago I did not realise that that is what I had actually done. I had arrived there from a different direction. I am much wiser now.

I had found my bet as I have mentioned before, from the movements on the table (not the wheel) I did not have enough knowledge at the time to realise I was using the randomness to full effect.


There lies the greatest clue I can give you. I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster.


Betting in any game where randomness governs, any fixity is guaranteed unprofitable. Roulette is truly random. Do not be fooled by "reading" past results and believing you have spotted a pattern you can rely on.

Good or bad short term results are truly misleading. Any bet that is worth playing must pass at least 30 sessions of consistent profit to be worth considering.

Randomness throws up some very funny results sometimes. If for instance, you won 10 points on 31 occasions and lost 10 points only 1 in 31 sessions this would be a winner.

BUT...if an idiot was to put ALL his winnings on that one losing session.....???     Now you know why you must have a winning bet AND the professionalism to handle it.

To win at roulette the two parts are the COMPLETE formula Without both....you should not waste a single dollar playing.

Please be aware of "System Sellers" who copy ideas from this site. No one except myself and the ACETF know this bet.
Anyone who knew this bet would make more money using it than selling it. I cant help foolish people, but I can help you.

I simply cannot tell you more because of fear of "giving" the ACETF bet away. If this has helped you in some way I will be pleased. As always I feel that those who put their own effort into it, deserve to be rewarded.

We all need some help and encouragement.

I trust this is yours

As always

Take care

Charles
Hi I hope you don,t mind me posting this info,I was reading your posts aboat this system you were talking aboat. Thanks

Quote from: Wally Gator on December 01, 2008, 10:48:12 PM
Ka2,

I agree that this may all be anonymous, but that would beg more questions.  Such as, why post it at all and then go into your cancer survivor story and add a few more pages about not disclosing the secret and then lead us to another website with email links and try to bring up the plight of kids in need and then do it all anonymously?  What's in it for him/her/them?  Where's the purpose?  Some of it does not meet the common sense factor, nor the this shit don't stink factor.  Just my opinion.  I am hopeful the guy is for real and we'll figure out the "consistenly winning bet", make a bazzilion bucks, donate most of it, tell our own cancer story and save the world. 

I know that it doesnt make any sense, but maybe there is some "truth" within the text...

also what about this? "I discovered something about roulette that should happen more often...a lot more often, but did not!"

also when he talks about 4 bets. Are these bet 4 places he covers on the table, or 4 seperate bets each with its own layout?

QuoteSeries results, Mixed results, Cross combination results.

I read these same words on a baccarat website. These patterns of sorts appear so often in each shoe and thus give the player an advantage on when to bet.
These guys approached the game in a very similar manner also. At a tournament their player won the comp by only making one very calculated bet* and won because it was based on winning percentages even though their opponent technically won a lot more money (they were separated by a partition for the game so they couldn't watch what the other was doing).

*a bet is still a bet - know what I mean? I say this as some would reasonably argue that it's all chance etc
@ JHM & JLP - you guys have given this some serious thought huh. Good food for thought  :)

Quote from: ryan08 on December 02, 2008, 12:28:10 AM
i got a good tip for you JLP if the bet you find can break even or better then that is a very good base for a progression, if anything works flatbet(breakeven means it works aswell) it will work with reasonable progression, dont get to hung up about the bet within a bet as its not the only way, I know this for fact.

Hi mate,

I agree.But this type of bet would not need the progression, only flat bet always.
Of course the potential profit with the progression would be more.

Cheers,
JLP.-

well this is the thing, progression is a good thing, i have 4 winning bets but lets say over 5000 spins i can get +25 out of it, high stakes it could be alot, but i use a slight progression which can earn me +250 if not more, and because its only a slight progression i could use just as high stakes so i dont see the attraction of using a flat bet really

If progression is needed in a system, the system will fail. Period.

JLPis correct. Flat betting is the only way.

Jakk

I disagree. If you were playing bias numbers a soft progression would work to ride out the dispersion. Just because the numbers are biased doesn't mean they will show more than they are supposed to all the time.

and shorty can vouch for me my system works better with progression aswell

Guys, can we please stick to topic. This is not a topic to discuss a progression. If you want to discuss flat bet vs. progression please open a new topic.

Back on topic. I don't understand. He says we can not look to past results but we do have to look at the movements on the table. When we look to the movements we are looking to previous results aren't we?

yes you are, pattern bets is what you should find, a trigger which remains the same and works

There are patterns or a better description would be random series, short and long formed by the pure randomness. Trapping the runs, and trapping the changes quickly enough (not all) but at a better than the odds rate will make you a winner.

Taking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette.

There is a way to take advantage of randomness within roulette.

There are patterns or a better description would be random series, short and long formed by the pure randomness. Trapping the runs, and trapping the changes quickly enough (not all) but at a better than the odds rate will make you a winner.

I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster.

Some information I filtrered out capers post.

We also know now bet = runs + changes (only when both are in your advantage)

Quote from: Jakkalsdraai on December 02, 2008, 09:22:59 AM

Quote from: Ka2 on December 02, 2008, 05:50:52 AM
also what about this? "I discovered something about roulette that should happen more often...a lot more often, but did not!"

I know....shooting the dealer!!!!!!!!!

hey mate,

thats a good one..... ;D

One thing Charles Hampshire mentioned: Professionalism.
Professionalism from beginning (research) to end (after figuring winning bet, actual play and conduct in casinos).

I, for one, am trying to get the beginning right.


New Ken

Same here mate. ;)

Also he says "to know everything about roulette" meaning convetional bets, like even changes, dozen's, streets... So to trap a bet, one has to exactly know how to use these "tools"?

Still (seriously) I'm breaking my head to find something what should happen more often on the roulette tabel but doenst?

By the way, a bet what does not lose or win. What about 1 unit on red, and 1 on first column and 1 on second column. If every number would hit once in a 36 cycle, the total outcome would be 0....except for that darn zero ofcourse.

QuoteStill (seriously) I'm breaking my head to find something what should happen more often on the roulette table but doesn't?

By the way, a bet what does not lose or win. What about 1 unit on red, and 1 on first column and 1 on second column. If every number would hit once in a 36 cycle, the total outcome would be 0....except for that darn zero of course.

I had the same thoughts this arvo and it's a hard one. I kept hitting a wall on both accounts except for things like, numbers don't go 1 2 3 4 5 6 (as in spin results) etc well sometimes but only for a small run of 2 or 3.

QuoteI REVEAL A SECRET KNOWN ONLY TO VERY FEW PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS
ALLOW ME TO SHOW YOU WHERE TO LOOK

THIS PAGE IS THE ONLY PLACE....WHERE YOU WILL FIND THE
TRUE ANSWER

Four pages later we still don't have the "true answer"....
Keep racking my brain.....

to 'trap a bet' in other words dont try and find a bet to play every spin, it never going to happen because your trying to beat the odds

By reading and reading again I came to a bet. Based on his information. I decided to test, everyday 100 spins. I have tested 4 days and I thought lets take a look.

Spins 400
Spins played 304
Won 182
Lost 122

According to Charles bet we should win/lose

304 / 5 * 3 = 182,4
304 / 5 * 2 = 121,6

That's exactly a win of 3 out of 5.

Scary, but only 400 spins.

You indeed looked at the bigger picture. And what bet would that be? If I may ask?  :)

I have to test the bet further. If it really is the bet I'll sent you a message  :).

I would really appreciate that.  :)

just remember though if you do have your bet, based on the fact you place a bet 3 out of 4 spins, it will need to last around 12-13000 spins

............. what i also found intresting is the fact that he mentions that are about 200 pro roulette players in the world  :o



How does he know this??  ???




Carlitos

Sounds very interesting JHM. Keep testing mate, I would also appreciate if you keep me posted regarding this. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I believe lots of ideas are going to arise from this thread. Let's keep it alive.

I never stopped thinking since I read that site.
I am especially interested in the 'to beat roulette we must beat randomness' part.

The only logic to try and beat randomness that I have personally found is to play against 'order', because we know for sure that there will be no such 'order' in the long run, and even if it manifests somewhere, we know for sure it won't last: randomness wins in the end.
This is the only fact we have with regards to future results in roulette.

Patterns do manifest once in a while but ALWAYS break, only randomness lasts. --> We should find a way to use this fact to our benefit.

Will keep researching.

All the best,
Marven

All my tests are from Wiesbaden. With the Wiesbaden spins I had a session of 100 spins which broke even in the end. The other three sessions of 100 spins went very well. So I can't say much if this really is going to work.

I also did some live testing on Dublinbet. And the outcome was disappointing. That were only 45 spins. That's the reason why I don't post the bet. I have to be sure it is a winner. And I don't want to sent anybody in a wrong direction.

There is really no point of not telling? Because mabye your bet will put some of us in the "right direction" 2 Allways Know More Than one...

Also

Because roulette is random you must remember it is also confined

Doing what everyone else is NOT doing can make you very wealthy 

Marven,

Taking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette.

Also see this post, nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg29901/#msg29901 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg29901/#msg29901)

I think you must adjust your bet to what the table is doing (the serie). That's what the bet I'm working on does.

JHM, I have also been prompted to do research based on Charles Hampshire's hints. So far I have come up with two systems or bets that may have potential.
But I yet to be satisfied.  


The really good thing, a big difference, this time if I come up short I have consolation that THERE IS A WAY, simply because I believe Charles' claims.


In other words, my efforts are not in vain if I don't succeed yet, once I follow his hints.

And this is a tremendous relief to me...


New Ken!

the answer liess in taking advantage in those patches of order, by that i mean patterns, its patterns guys trust me

Ryan,

Patterns don't exist. Charles also says it. There are only series, short and long. If you still don't agree with me please see

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/the-brain-seeks-patterns-where-none-exist/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/the-brain-seeks-patterns-where-none-exist/)
or
nolinks://nolinks.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=brain-seeks-patterns-where-none-exi-08-10-03 (nolinks://nolinks.sciam.com/podcast/episode.cfm?id=brain-seeks-patterns-where-none-exi-08-10-03)

And if you than still think there are patterns, you should stick to it. We do all have different way of thinking and playing.

.......... I found this on this website nolinks://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-e9euDY8waaVp.VJAlB8mURJy?p=177 (nolinks://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-e9euDY8waaVp.VJAlB8mURJy?p=177)



Intresting -,



1. Randomness is a property of the process, not the outcome of the process. Never ever make assumptions of randomness based on purely the outcomes of the process (cryptographers would tell you the extreme dangers of that).



2. Randomness is about unpredictability! It is not about a high variance in outcomes. It is about not being able to predict the outcome. Basically, even if you get a million '2's in a row, if you are unable to predict the million-and-first number, it is a random sequence. On the other hand, if you find a sequence of four statistically random numbers, and can predict the 5th number, it is NOT a random sequence.





Carlitos 8)

JHM, how would you define those series, long and short??







Carlitos  8)

Thanks for sharing carlitos. Guys this doesn't come from the win3million site. To avoid confusion.

Carlitos, I don't know. If I would know that, than I would be a step closer to the bet. I do think it's essential to know.

they do! they do!, 3 reds in a row is a pattern, red, black, red, is another pattern, the lw are patterns and there is a winning system in there, i have it. i dont get why you disagree with me, what would i get from leading you down the wrong path

also series and patterns are the same thing, just dressed up differently, pork and ham are pig, get what i mean?

Ryan,

I don't want to make this a discussion, it's not relevant to the thread. If you would like to discuss patterns please sent a PM or open a new thread.

The people posting in this thread are trying to find out what Charles is talking about. We do believe the man is for real or we do want to believe. And we're trying to get a bet out of his information. I know you think the man talk's !@#$%$, like you told me. I would like to kindly ask you to either help brainstorming on his ideas. And if you don't believe his information please not post in this topic.

This is no personal attack, I would like to prevent confusion. Thank you.

HEY GUYS MY NAME IS TINO I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS SIGHT ON THIS CONSISTENT BET FOR 2 YEARS NOW TRYED EVERY THING EVEN TALKED TO CHARLES WHEN HE WAS ANSWERING EMAILS HE TALKS ABOUT MOVEMENT AND WHAT HE MEANS IS FOLLOWING A PAST RESULT HE GAVE US AT ON TIME A BET ITS CALLED THE HAMSHIRE BET AND WHAT HE DID WAS TAKES THE LAST 5 NUMBERS  AND STARTS TO BET ON THE STREETS  THAT CAME IN LAST BUT HE SAYS THAT IT IS NOT THE BET THAT HE USES  IVE TESTED IT AND IT FAILED TRYED EVERY BET ON MOVEMENTS AND CAN NOT SEE HOW THE GUY MADE THAT MUCH MONEY

....... nice that you mentiond that. He talks about not watching past results and yet one must watch the movements.........







Carlitos  8)

Quote from: CHARLES on December 03, 2008, 03:31:57 PM
HEY GUYS MY NAME IS TINO I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS SIGHT ON THIS CONSISTENT BET FOR 2 YEARS NOW TRYED EVERY THING EVEN TALKED TO CHARLES WHEN HE WAS ANSWERING EMAILS HE TALKS ABOUT MOVEMENT AND WHAT HE MEANS IS FOLLOWING A PAST RESULT HE GAVE US AT ON TIME A BET ITS CALLED THE HAMSHIRE BET AND WHAT HE DID WAS TAKES THE LAST 5 NUMBERS  AND STARTS TO BET ON THE STREETS  THAT CAME IN LAST BUT HE SAYS THAT IT IS NOT THE BET THAT HE USES  IVE TESTED IT AND IT FAILED TRYED EVERY BET ON MOVEMENTS AND CAN NOT SEE HOW THE GUY MADE THAT MUCH MONEY

Tino,

Thanks for sharing. Your information is priceless. Marven, Ka and Ken. You guys know what I'm talking abouth huh  ;)

Quote from: JHM on December 03, 2008, 03:48:49 PM

Quote from: CHARLES on December 03, 2008, 03:31:57 PM
HEY GUYS MY NAME IS TINO I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS SIGHT ON THIS CONSISTENT BET FOR 2 YEARS NOW TRYED EVERY THING EVEN TALKED TO CHARLES WHEN HE WAS ANSWERING EMAILS HE TALKS ABOUT MOVEMENT AND WHAT HE MEANS IS FOLLOWING A PAST RESULT HE GAVE US AT ON TIME A BET ITS CALLED THE HAMSHIRE BET AND WHAT HE DID WAS TAKES THE LAST 5 NUMBERS  AND STARTS TO BET ON THE STREETS  THAT CAME IN LAST BUT HE SAYS THAT IT IS NOT THE BET THAT HE USES  IVE TESTED IT AND IT FAILED TRYED EVERY BET ON MOVEMENTS AND CAN NOT SEE HOW THE GUY MADE THAT MUCH MONEY

Tino,

Thanks for sharing. Your information is priceless. Marven, Ka and Ken. You guys know what I'm talking abouth huh  ;)

We sure do mate. ;)
Let's keep testing.

Also I've been already writing down some ideas in my brainstorming notebook that uses a similar approach applied to EC's (Black-Red, Odd-Even, High-Low). I then applied Victor's Leftmost Cancellation to it as MM, and the results were quite good.
Will keep testing this but let's finish testing your bet first.

Our primary goal is: Wins > Losses in 10000-12000 spins.

Cheers,
Marven

Tino,

Do you still have the old emails with information from Charles?

I would love to read them. Maybe you can send them to me by mail. It would be highly appreciated.

............. why not publish those emails here??







Carlitos  8)

I'm not interested in publishing the emails here. I'm interested in the content.

...... if they would be published here then everyone could read them and the content. Unless Tino wants to send them to everyone here who is intrested in this thread.



Therefor it would be easier to publish it in this thread.




Carlitos  8)

If Tino still had them and want to publish, it would be great for the thread.

HI JHM MY EMAILS TO HIM WERE ABOUT THE BETS I WAS TRYING OUT  I WAS TRYING TO PICK HIS BRAINS EXAMPLE  BY BETTING 2UNITS ON BLACK AN 1 ON 3 RD COLUM AND I SAY TO HIM WHAT HE THOUGHT HIS ANSWERS WERE ONE LINER  MAYBE 2 LINERS THATS A FAIR BET BUTNOT A GOOD BET   IT WOULD ONLY BE  OK IF YOU WOULD PLAY WITH A ENPRISON RULE OR PARTAGE WHER YOU ONLY LOSE HALF OF THE BET  SO THAT WAS IT THEN I ASKED ANOTHER QUESTION WHER AM I LEVEL BETTING INSIDE OR OUT SIDE HE ANSWERS INSIDE DID NOT NOT ELABORATE ON ANYTHING. NEXT  WHAT DO YOU THINK OF 3 UNITS ON 1 TO 18 AND 2 ON 3 DOZEN BECAUSE IN MY MIND IM LOOKING FOR A SAFE BET THATS WHAT HE KEPT SAYING SO HIS ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE IT  WOULD ONLY WORK WHITH THE MONEY MANAGMENT THAT HE GIVES ON PAGE 7 THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE MONEY WITH THAT BET THAT WOULD BE HIS RESPONSE .HE HAD A PAGE THAT HE REMOVED LATER AND IT WAS ON RNG HE WAS GIVING AN EXAMPLE ON THIS SAFE BETSO HE CALLED IT TO PROVE THAT THE ONLINE CASINOS THAT HAVE RNG  AND HE WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE YOU BEAT PROGRAM THATS DESIGNED TO BE YOU AND HE DID A TEST ON 5 0R 6 DIFFERENT RNG IN DIFFERENT ON LINE CASINOS THE RESULS WERE ALL THE SAME ON EVERY CASINO AND THE BET HE USED TO TEST  WAS 4 UNITS 1ON 1 ST AND1 2ND DOZEN AND 1 2 COLUM AND 1 ON 3RD COLUMHE DID THE TEST AND THE RESULTS ALMST EXEACTLY THE SAME AS FOR THE LOSS.I TRYED EVERY THING ON THAT SAME CONCEPT TRYING TO FIND A BET INSIDE THE BETTING FIELD BUT NO CIGAR PROFIT WERE NOT THERE HE WOULD KEEP SAYING KEEP LOOKING BUT IT WAS TO FUSTERATING SO I LAYED OF WITH THE SERCH HE WAS NOT GIVING ANY MORE I NFORMATION SO NOW JUST PLAYING AROUND WITH DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THAT ARE ON THIS FORUM MORE INFO HERE THEN CHARLIES WEB SIGHTI THINK HE IS A LONLEY MAN TRYING TO GET SOME ANTTENTION AND HE DID.

AND LSO I WOULD STILL BE WILLING TO TRY AND FIGUER THAT PUZZLE OUT

Quote from: Carlitos on December 03, 2008, 03:41:28 PM
....... nice that you mentiond that. He talks about not watching past results and yet one must watch the movements.........

Yes movements on the table, not the past results...

Hi Tino,
Welcome to the forum and thanks for lending a hand on figuring this mysterious method and person out. Mate could you please type in lower case in future posts as it's hard to read all that upper case together  ;)
Whether you share any more of your emails here or privately with anyone is up to you as it was addressed to you.

Cheers

Roules

Tino

You said 1 unit on 1 street, 1 unit on second dozen, 1 on second column, and 1 on third colomn. On what street did he placed the bet?

Quote from: Ka2 on December 04, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
Tino

You said 1 unit on 1 street, 1 unit on second dozen, 1 on second column, and 1 on third colomn. On what street did he placed the bet?

Hi ka2,
I understand that he refers there to the 1st dozen, not the streets.
4 UNITS 1ON 1 ST AND1 2ND DOZEN AND 1 2 COLUM AND 1 ON 3RD COLUM

The bet would be :

4 units :
1Dz. - 1u.
2Dz. - 1u.
2Col. - 1u.
3Col. - 1u.

Cheers,
JLP.-

Ofcourse that makes more sense.  :) thanks.

what ever street came out he would follow it with one unit and thats what he means by safe bet  but he sayed thats not what his bet is so i think  what we should be looking for is what bet gives us the best odds and he says try to trap the bets and use the run and changes to our advantage meaning back to the street bet example he is probably following a run  that means a reapeat and a change means following the bet

can i just ask you guys, what do you think 'movements on the table means'?

Just a suggestion, i have been though his pages numeris times, even before i joined this thread, the thing tha haunts me is when he says keep it simple, forget everything you know.

Does anybody have a mate, family member who knows nothing of Roulette, give them an example of 5 last spun numbers and get thier opinion on what they would do...... maybe there is more to it.

Quote from: JLP on December 04, 2008, 09:49:05 AM

Quote from: Ka2 on December 04, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
Tino

You said 1 unit on 1 street, 1 unit on second dozen, 1 on second column, and 1 on third colomn. On what street did he placed the bet?

Hi ka2,
I understand that he refers there to the 1st dozen, not the streets.
4 UNITS 1ON 1 ST AND1 2ND DOZEN AND 1 2 COLUM AND 1 ON 3RD COLUM

The bet would be :

4 units :
1Dz. - 1u.
2Dz. - 1u.
2Col. - 1u.
3Col. - 1u.

Cheers,
JLP.-

That can't be the bet. Tested that bet in RX a while ago. Will def. lose more than win. And has no 3 to 5 ratio.

Quote from: JHM on December 04, 2008, 12:07:48 PM

Quote from: JLP on December 04, 2008, 09:49:05 AM

Quote from: Ka2 on December 04, 2008, 09:09:03 AM
Tino

You said 1 unit on 1 street, 1 unit on second dozen, 1 on second column, and 1 on third colomn. On what street did he placed the bet?

Hi ka2,
I understand that he refers there to the 1st dozen, not the streets.
4 UNITS 1ON 1 ST AND1 2ND DOZEN AND 1 2 COLUM AND 1 ON 3RD COLUM

The bet would be :

4 units :
1Dz. - 1u.
2Dz. - 1u.
2Col. - 1u.
3Col. - 1u.

Cheers,
JLP.-

That can't be the bet. Tested that bet in RX a while ago. Will def. lose more than win. And has no 3 to 5 ratio.

Hi JHM,
If you tested it and don´t works that is Ok, but I was just clarifying what Tino would have expressed.
What about if we add 2 or 3 lines at this base bet with 1 unit on each and also cover the zero (7 units + 0.5u on zero)??

Bet 7.5 units :

1Dz. - 1u.
2Dz. - 1u.
2Col. - 1u.
3Col. - 1u.
Line 1 - 1u.
Line 2 - 1u. -----> The lines we move from bet to bet according to what Charles talks about the
Line 3 - 1u.              movement in the layout table
zero - 0.5u.

Cheers,
JLP.-

I think that you also can move the bett around. Doesn't have to be the 2d dozen per se, can also be 3d dozen and or 1st and 2d colomns.



You must look how the numbers come out and move the bett accordinly.





Carlitos  8)

Quote from: Carlitos on December 04, 2008, 03:27:01 PM
I think that you also can move the bett around. Doesn't have to be the 2d dozen per se, can also be 3d dozen and or 1st and 2d colomns.



You must look how the numbers come out and move the bett accordinly.





Carlitos  8)

Carlitos, you are right to move the bet to what the table is throwing.

I make a previous test at Betfred (RNG) with that bet (7.5u) and the payout is the following :
When it wins : 4.5u , in some numbers lose 1.5u, others lose 4.5u, others lose 7.5 (all), when zero spuns wins 10.5u.

The % are :

On a win 12/7.5 = 1.6
1.5/7.5= 0.2
4.5/7.5 = 0.6
zero : 18/7.5 = 2.4

The other site talks about 1.66% in win and 0.33% in lose.

Also I make another variation of that bet including more lines and covering also the 3 dozens and 3 columns at the same time but with different units in the bets.In this bet there are some numbers where nor win nor loses (break even).That is what the other site refers as there is some region or holyday region when that happens.

Here is the variation bet :

Bet : 10.5 units total (the other site talks about 10 unit bet also)

Zero - 0.5u
D1 - 1u
D2 - 1u
D3 - 0.5u
C1 - 0.5u
C2- 1u
C3 -1u
Line (1-6)  - 1u
Line (7-12) - 1u
Line (13-18)- 1u
Line (19-24)- 1u
Line (28-33)- 1u

This is the payout according to the number spun :

17 - w 1.5 (12)
24 - w 1.5 (12)
31 - L 1.5 (9)
33 - w 0 (10.5) ----> Break even
8   - w 1.5 (9)
19 - w 0 (10.5)
3   - w 1.5
0  -  w 7.5 (18)
28 - L 1.5 (9)
27 - L 6 (4.5)
35 - L 6 (4.5)
7  - w 0 (10.5)
26 - L 6 (4.5)

The % are in this case :

12/10.5 = 1.142
9/10.5 = 0.857
4.5/10.5 = 0.428

The bet is more stable and consistent but with less profit.

Cheers,
JLP.-

Keep up the good work guys.

Interesting thoughts you guys throw out here, ill keep on reading them ;)

its more important how you place the bet rather than what the actual bet is

Good one Ken!

just had an idea to a bet, it is really simple, he said we should keep it simple;

- Play two dozens with some sort of positive (up as you win) progression.
Maybe play the last two dozens that didnt hit, but think it doesnt matter because everything is random.

Another idea;

- Play the method from charles; 1 on 1st dozen, 1 on 2nd dozen, 1 on 2nd column, 1 on 3rd column, but with a 2-step progression if miss, back to 1 unit again.

This is just some ideas, hope they don't seem too newbie-like, just trying to come up with something here and benefit to the brainstorming of this. If nothing else we can atleast confirm that this is Not the way to bet  ;)

Best Regards
Kingpin

And now that we've heard all that, Mistarlupo and Carlitos, hopefully we can move along.

(whew!)

This, unless I can't read, is a topic about: How--- To--- Find--- A--- Consistent--- Winning--- Roulette--- Bet.

Sure of it.


Nenolinks Ken!!

Guys,

I'll say this once again for the people who still come with answers that it's all BS. It's not the point if it's true or not.  There's a lot of good information, like you only have series, short and long. The main goal is that the information let us think different and change our look at the game. We make different approaches. 

If you're here because you still think systems work than I would say you're full of BS. Because in the end systems don't work, period. The only things that work what I believe are:

- Bias
- Dealer signature
- Visual Ballistics
- .......... that's what I'm looking for now.

I do know, if you can beat randomness you can beat the game. And that is some information from the site too.

I please want to ask for a last time, if you think we're waisting our time on this, than DON'T post. It has no added value to the topic.

I really don't know what the real deal is,
however,
besides Kimo Li....
this 52million euro Charles man sounds sincere and very profound.
Well,
what is the winning bet?

Let's forget about scam or not. If a system for sale comes up we'll notice at that time.

Sewje, thank you for signing up and sharing your knowledge. That's where this topic is for. To find that bet together.

Victor,

You have my blessing. It's a great Idea.

Thank you.

When we get back to trying to find what the thread says we're looking for, I'll return here...


New Ken

at one time on the first page now its no longer there charles explained he came to finding his bet by  using the word remanufacturing the results  and when he had showed us the bet following the streets  that is what he means by movement   and he used the past results he would follow what ever street came  and bet on it but he says that is not the bet they use . so for us we need to look at that example work from there buy using this stratagie he came up with the bet he s been using for thirteen years.

Just to follow up on what CHARLES wrote regarding -quote- "remanufacturing the results", I researched the archives of the web site and came up with this, which is what I believe he is referring to:

"I will not bother to list the "why nots" for the other games, because I can only concern myself with the game that pays me. Roulette of course. To find a roulette bet that is a consistent winner I could only suggest you do not go down the conventional route. I do not think it is important you know the very essence of the wheel or numbers makeup. I am going to give you a clue. I found my bet by re-manufacturing the results. It is straight betting, but a "double-edged" bet that takes advantage of the randomness of the wheel. In doing so I had by-passed the different layouts between the European and American wheel. It works on both!

But! You must take into account, that although my bet is a simple bet, there is still the difference in the overall odds to make a slight difference to your yearly income by using an American wheel. Yes, I have used them, but only for pure convenience. So many lose so much on them it hurts me to see it. Double zero wheels are a rip-off, and bad odds for any gambler. The good news is that more and more casinos are using the European wheel and rules. The average gambler is getting more "odds savvy" by the day. Casinos have no option but to change."

Hope this helps, though I have my doubts.  RP

Quote from: CHARLES on December 03, 2008, 07:38:23 PM
AND LSO I WOULD STILL BE WILLING TO TRY AND FIGUER THAT PUZZLE OUT

Did he ever mention if he used a progression or if he was flat betting?

Hi RP,

"I found my bet by re-manufacturing the results. It is straight betting, but a "double-edged" bet that takes advantage of the randomness of the wheel".

From this I guess is an inside bet on straight numbers that uses a second layer in the bet, maybe combining the same numbers with same splits.

Cheers,
JLP.-

It keeps me thinking, but I still can't get to it [smiley=1/ne_nau.gif]

If it is an inside bett how are you gonna cover this with only 4 betts?? I thought of following the numbers in their own street and see whether they match up with the others in their own street and then place an bett on 2 dozens and 2 colomns.



So lett' say that these numbers came up -,


25 is the first in its street.
6 is the sixed in its street.
36 is the sixed in its street.
1 is the first in its street.
8 is the second in its street.
15 is the third in its street.



Then you would bett the 1 and 3 dozen and the 1 and 3 colomn. This way one could say that there is something like an trap bett.






Carlitos  8)

Quote from: JLP on December 07, 2008, 11:00:07 AM
Hi RP,

"I found my bet by re-manufacturing the results. It is straight betting, but a "double-edged" bet that takes advantage of the randomness of the wheel".

From this I guess is an inside bet on straight numbers that uses a second layer in the bet, maybe combining the same numbers with same splits.

Cheers,
JLP.-

When he  says "straight betting," does that mean "FLAT betting" with NO progression?

If you would have read his website...you would know the answer!

Quote from: Ka2 on December 07, 2008, 01:07:41 PM
If you would have read his website...you would know the answer!

I did read the webiste.  It's vauge.

Hi,

Also I have posted something about this on Spanish Forum, but in relation to the other site.

nolinks://nolinks.foros-ruleta.com/1-vt9672.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (nolinks://nolinks.foros-ruleta.com/1-vt9672.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Floodish, the other poster have been experimenting with this type of bet :

He says in relation to the anomalies found on columns that we must have to find a productive bet -

-3 chips on column 3
-2 chips on Red
-1 chip on each split : 8/11 10/13 17/20 26/29 28/31
-1 chip on zero or 1/2 chip

Total : 11 chips

So then he covers here the 3rd dozen where are the most reds - 8 reds, also covers red and with the splits he covers the blacks that form a zigzag pattern in the bet on the table layout in the 1st and 2nd columns.

Cheers,
JLP.-

on page 6 he says to play on a single 0 wheel whith european rules its contrdicting because if your level betting on the inside of the tablethose rules  do not matter. because on the outside bets it will grind you down  without a progression but those rules are ok because you do not win or lose on the 0 any comments on this please let me no.

Tino,

Are u sure we have to look to inside bets?

We now know, Charles bet is found via double streets. That's where Charles was originally seeking? (Tino please correct me if I'm wrong). We also know, we have to look for inside bets.

We're looking for:

- Inside bet (straight, split, corner?)
- Win 3 out of 5 (or was this really an example and had nothing to do with the bet)
- Look at the movement of the table.
- Do not look at past results

How can we follow the movement on the table with inside bets that doesn't look at past results and beat randomness?

hi there  i think 3 out  5 was an example on even  odds but then again you can make a even money bet on the double streets. i will keep working on it.

I need to know: WHERE EXACTLY DOES CHARLES SAY IT'S ABOUT INSIDE BETS?


New Ken

i one time i asked him where am i level betting inside or out side he responded out side  i have it on one of my emails from him but did not say anthing else

Tino,

Can you publish the emails here?

i can i just have to figure out how to do that just need a little time

Can someone explain what is a "double-edged" bet?
I also read this on page 3:

"A major rule for professional players who will play in excess of 400 sessions per year is that you must finish your session with at least 2 consecutive wins. Never on a losing bet.
The difference is a small fortune. I won't do the maths for you...do it yourself, as a lesson you must never forget. Look very hard at your winning bet, and it will tell you if it is worth making that more than two. Keep in mind that professionals always play safe."

Does he mean that the bet has to win 2 times in a row in order to be in profit?
Just a thought...

no it just means if you finish with 2 wins on +10, but if you have another go and lose then quit so your +9 then over time you have lost 10% of your winnings

so there you have it these are the emails from charles the safe bet he was talking about on page 4 was about the 2 colums and 2 dozen i hope this helps i cant find the last email that  he sent me regarding me asking him about level betting good luck i been racking brains for to long hope you guys can help  hes says to test every bet for 30 sessions i think moccomon has the right idea i tryed those bet  but not in the way moccomon  hes using triggers never thought of doing that im going to test that way for a while.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO BET WITH TRIGGERS, THERE IS NO WAY ANYTHING CAN WIN IF PLAYED EVERY SPIN, NOT POSSIBLE

Quote from: ryan08 on December 09, 2008, 12:40:30 AM
YOU WOULD HAVE TO BET WITH TRIGGERS, THERE IS NO WAY ANYTHING CAN WIN IF PLAYED EVERY SPIN, NOT POSSIBLE

After reading Charles website very carefully, I have come up with an idea that incorporates alot of what he says. 

-What if we played for example 10 units on 1st dozen, and 15 units on 19-36 even chance.  This bet covers 30 out of 37 numbers.  If the ball lands on 1-12 OR 19-36 we win +5 units.

-If the ball lands on zero or numbers 13-18 we lose -25.

-One loss can be equalized by 5 wins.

**Obviously this has been played by many before including myself and the occasional 13-18 always knocks you back!  So to minimize this we would wait for the double street '13-18' to show 3 consecutive times, before we place our bet.  We are betting that the double street 13-18 will not come in a fourth time in a row.

As long as the double street 13-18 does not come out a 3rd or 4th consecutive time, or the zero doesn't show, we win +5 units.

This can be played for BIG money if you FLAT bet the '1st dozen' for 200 units and flat bet '19-36' with 300 units.  Any number other than 13-18 and zero will give you +100 profit. 

I have not done long term testing but it appears as long as we wait for this trigger and we are patient, we will have more winners to make up for one loss (which equals 5 winners) to keep us going in profit.

I did some brief testing and in 45 spins, 3 betting opportunites presented themselves and I won all 3 for a +300 profit.

This may or may NOT be what charles is talking about, but I think this is on the track of what we need to be looking for.  There are many other ways to exploit the board or table and NOT the wheel like Charles says in this manner. 

What do you think?

-just looked at past 300 spin results on RNG and 9 betting opportunites presented themselves, and I won all 9.  That would be +900 units.

Madupz4 -
A quick look through a few of my records would result in 8 wins and 1 loss (B & M).

Quite a distance between betting opportunities, but maybe combined with other bets???
     - like the opposite bet - after 2 consecutive 19 - 24, bet low and 3rd dozen

Ron.

Quote from: hoper35 on December 09, 2008, 02:01:03 AM

Madupz4 -
A quick look through a few of my records would result in 8 wins and 1 loss (B & M).

Quite a distance between betting opportunities, but maybe combined with other bets???


Ron.

You can also use 200 on 3rd dozen and 300 on 1-18.  Which would give you more betting opportunites.  It's the same thing.

8 wins and 1 loss would equal +300 if trying to achieve 100 units per win.

Another way for more betting opporunites that produces the same results.  Rather than betting the 1st dozen and 19-36, simply bet on 5 streets.

Trigger:  Wait for any double street to show 3 or 4 consecutive times, then FLAT bet 5 units on all other double streets.  As long as that particular double street does not show a 4th or 5th consecutive time you win +5 units. 

-bet 75 units per double street, and you win +75 units.

Look at your spin history results and record how many times this situation presented itself and record Wins vs. Losses.

THERES NO SUCH THING AS A CONSISTANT WINNING BET, EFFECTIVELY YOUR LOOKING FOR THE HOLY GRAIL WHICH ALSO DOESNT EXIST, NO MATTER WHAT BET YOU PLAY, WHAT SYSTEM YOU USE IT WILL LOSE TO THE ODDS, THE PAYOUTS MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR WINS TO OUTWEIGH LOSSES, IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE GAME PROPERLY YOU WILL UNDERSTAND IM RIGHT.

ANY OF THESE BETS YOU ARE INVENTING WILL ALL DO AS BAD AS EACH OTHER IN THE END, THE BEST WAY TO MAKE MONEY OUT OF ROULETTE IS TO GRIND +10 UNITS A DAY, HOPE YOU MISS THE BAD STREAKS AND WIN MORE SESSIONS THAN YOU LOSE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE, EVENTUALLY YOULL BE GOOD ENOUGH TO USE 10UNIT STAKES AND CAN MAKE 100 A DAY, BUT IT TAKES TIME TO LEARN AND PERFECT, BUT THERE IS NO MAGIC FORMULA TO WIN AND IVE DONE ENOUGH TESTING AND HAVE ENOUGH UNDERSTANDING OF ROULETTE TO KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.

I KNOW IM BEEN NEGATIVE BUT IM TRYING TO HELP YOU GUYS SO ITS ALL IN GOOD FAITH,

I BELIEVE THE ABOVE RULES ARE THE ONLY WAY TO WIN ROULETTE AND MAKE PROFIT, SO MY ADVICE IS FOLLOW THE RULES AND YOUVE GOT YOURE 'CONSISTANT WINNING BET'

Ryan, my good mate, I agree with everything you said.

I totally understand how the payout works in roulette and how it makes it impossible for one single bet to have more odds of winning than loosing, and I expect it from all of my roulette friends to acknowledge and accept that fact.

HOWEVER, it IS my intention to be part of any place that I notice has potential for sparking ideas and friendly collaborations that might possibly lead us to something(s) that could prove useful to us as intelligent roulette players (as opposed to gamblers who play only for fun).

To me, this definitely isn't a thread for finding the holy grail of roulette, but instead a brainstorming thread inspired by some guy/website that sounded inspiring to some of us, nothing more.

Hope you get my point as I couldn't make it any clearer.

Your mate always,
Marven

i think what you need to look for is a bet that makes winning 5-10 units as easy as possible, so lets say you have something that can win 10 units fairly easily, keep it and practice for a month, try and make 10 units a day, ultimately keep yourself in profit at the end of each week even if its only 10 units a week, if you can do that you can use higher and higher bet stakes but playing exactly the same as you did, the more you practice the more consistant you will become but its up to the player to teach himself that discipline to win like that,

i think thats truly the way to beat roulette(apart from VB etc. lol) but ill leave you guys to it now.

ive been working on something to play this way so ill post that once im happy with it, may be useful to some guys

Ryan,

That was a golden post mate!
And looking forward to learn your new grinder.

Keep up the good work bud.

All the best,
Marven

[smiley=afro.gif]

Quote from: ryan08 on December 09, 2008, 04:15:24 AM
[smiley=afro.gif]

Luv that simile  ;)

Me n my mates call that a "Warb"  = somebody with "big" hair.....


fits like a glove man.... 8)

great example below  :D ;D :D

Madupz,

Your bet is the same as wait for a double street to hit 3 times than bet the remaining 5 double streets with 5 units each. Either win 5 or lose 25. I have tested that bet (wait for a double street to hit twice and than bet the other 5) and it fails. You have to wait very long. It will end in the same result as, pick the last number spun, bet the 5 other double streets. Most bet's you will win, but in the end it fails too.

Here are my resulst from my test on the 5 double streets.

w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
w   1
l   -5
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
   
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
l   -5
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
   
l   -5
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
   
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
w   1
w   1
l   -5
   1
w   1
l   -5
l   -5
w   1
l   -5
l   -5
   
w   1
w   1
l   -5
   
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
l   -5
w   1

Result -19

Quote from: JHM on December 09, 2008, 02:10:58 PM
Madupz,

Your bet is the same as wait for a double street to hit 3 times than bet the remaining 5 double streets with 5 units each. Either win 5 or lose 25. I have tested that bet (wait for a double street to hit twice and than bet the other 5) and it fails. You have to wait very long. It will end in the same result as, pick the last number spun, bet the 5 other double streets. Most bet's you will win, but in the end it fails too.

Here are my resulst from my test on the 5 double streets.

w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
w   1
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Result -19

Yea your right.  So what about beating a random game with random bets like Charles mentions. 

-Rather than following a particular pattern OR waiting for a certain trigger, what would be the odds of picking a random number each spin, and betting against it, covering as much of the board as possible, FLAT betting only!  I know I couldn't pick the next number spun OR get lucky in 500 spins if I tried!

The wins would stack up.

if your going to do that play cold numbers, why would you play random numbers, just because they are random doesnt mean you have more chance of winning your bet

Hi,

Check this site :
nolinks://nolinks.geeksamazing.com/casino/strategy.html (nolinks://nolinks.geeksamazing.com/casino/strategy.html)

He is playing and analizing with the % of hits.

Cheers,
JLP.-

Quote from: ryan08 on December 09, 2008, 03:06:09 PM
if your going to do that play cold numbers, why would you play random numbers, just because they are random doesnt mean you have more chance of winning your bet

BC we all know cold numbers come in right when we bet them, happens all the time.  Every system eventually losses.

My luck is Sooo bad I can pretty much guarantee that if I pick a number out of 37 numbers before it is spun it will NEVER come out!!

play hot numbers then

Quote from: JLP on December 09, 2008, 03:18:18 PM
Hi,

Check this site :
nolinks://nolinks.geeksamazing.com/casino/strategy.html (nolinks://nolinks.geeksamazing.com/casino/strategy.html)

He is playing and analizing with the % of hits.

Cheers,
JLP.-

Thanks mate.

Will give it a read later tonight as I'm busy with some testing right now.

All the best,
Marven

madupz4 ,

I would second Ryan here and say: try betting against whatever isn't working for you. ;)

I wouldn't recommend betting randomly.

All the best,
Marven

Don't want to say I've actually found anything yet without testing futher, but I'm playing a couple outside bets. Majority spins break even. In 100 spins, 22 losses, 27 hits.

Tested only a couple hundred spins yet... but I would love to know if this were typical results from my method, what is the hit, miss, etc RATIO.


New Ken

Oh, and I netted about $100 bucks from as many spins, single units, flat betting.

New Ken

Ken.

Great Work Mate.

27 wins from 49 bets = 55.1% In Winning Bets.

Lanky.

Thanks, Lanky.
Did you take into consideration that I mean 100 spins?

Also, I'm betting 20 units per spin.

New Ken

Hi Ken.

No Mate I just did it on the amount of bets you had which is the important thing Cobber.

Ok so its 49% of bets per 100 spins.
Made up of 22% of loseing bets per 100 spins
And 27% of winning bets per 100 spins
Which will still give us,
A Winning percentage of 55.1% on Bets actually played.

So Flat betting on even chances @ $20 per bet is an outlay of $980 per 49 bets=less $1080 return
={$100} profit=10.2% profit on Outlay.

Which will net You $1 profit per spin over these 100 spins.*(or + 5 x $20 Units Profit)

Lanky.

Of course. And thanks again, Lanky.
By the way, Brian Lara's from my island. And so is VS Naipaul. So you know we never stop at anything less than super success!



Slightly kidding...see y'all tomorrow, everyone.


New Kennnnnn....

Quote from: JLP on December 09, 2008, 03:18:18 PM
Hi,

Check this site :
nolinks://nolinks.geeksamazing.com/casino/strategy.html (nolinks://nolinks.geeksamazing.com/casino/strategy.html)

He is playing and analizing with the % of hits.

Cheers,
JLP.-

It appears that what he's touting is an eleven step progression on the dozens (or columns, I suppose) with a 1 to 100,000 spread. Don't get me wrong, I believe progressions can work, but I've yet to find one that wasn't dangerous to your bankroll to play. I won 2300 dollars last week using Roulette Raid's Solex progression, but I believe that if I had kept going I would have lost it all. It regularly got up over 100 misses. (On that note, I don't think that there's anything special about Roulette Raid's number selections, but that's for a different thread).

Ravon

Hi Ravon, [smiley=welcome/welcome.gif].

Quote(On that note, I don't think that there's anything special about Roulette Raid's number selections, but that's for a different thread)

We wait eagerly your participation at such thread!

Kind regards,
Victor

Betting more than $100,000,000 is tough to get all the chips placed. You have to have a quick mouse.

If I read that right, he's betting one hundred million dollars!

Yep, and I'm the next heavyweight champ!

TKO Sam

I can see it now.....

In the blue corner, caffeine free & ready to rumble......

2.....

Cats......

Sam......

(click the motionbox link for the full video)  :D ;D :D

........... if you look at his analysis then he has made some errors. He says 36 is horizontal bottom. But 36 is horizontal top.





Carlitos  8)

Quote from: Carlitos on December 10, 2008, 03:18:00 PM
........... if you look at his analysis then he has made some errors. He says 36 is horizontal bottom. But 36 is horizontal top.





Carlitos  8)

Hi Carlitos,
Yes, there is an error there.
He bets when the table turns constant for a certain time (2 column or 2 dozen trending).
 
Stake Bet / Turn at the end of 3 turns
$5,000 $1,000 $8,000 
$10,000 $2,000 $16,000
$50,000 $10,000 $80,000
$100,000 $20,000 $160,000
$500,000 $100,000 $800,000
$1,000,000 $200,000 $1,600,000
$5,000,000 $1,000,000 $8,000,000
$10,000,000 $2,000,000 $16,000,000
$50,000,000 $10,000,000 $80,000,000
$100,000,000 $20,000,000 $160,000,000
$500,000,000 $100,000,000 $800,000,000

How you understand this table??
Each level is the base stake for that initial bankroll.
But how he arrives to $8000 at the end of the 3 winning spins (in the final bankroll I suppose) if he is playing the 2 dozens or columns??

$5,000 $1,000 $8,000 

He says he divides the initial 5000 by 5 (1000) for each total bet.
But is 500 + 500 on each column or dozen.
The return is 500 each time on the 3 spins unless he uses an up as win progression.
500 + 500 + 500 = 1500 at the end of the 3 spins (flat bet).
The final bank = 6500
If I double the bet each time we win as he says :
1st bet : 500 (w)
2nd bet : 1000 (w)
3rd. bet = 2000 (w)
Total win = 3500
Final Bank = 8500 units

Mmmmm ......don´t understand. :o :o :o :-\ :-\ :-\

Cheers, :) ;)
JLP.-

.......... i haven't looked at this table too much....








Carlitos  8)

hi there iv done a test on a bet  it is betting on lines now ive done about close to 4000 spins  some live in vegas 2 weeks ago but mainly on dublin  the bet is based on movements  from past results the only thing is it does not win on flat betting but does not lose a lot either . you guys have seen this before but not sure if you tested it  it is betting on 1st the 3rd and the 5th line    2nd 4th and 6th now basicly if the the numbers in any of the lines hit you follow the movement lets say 6 comes in bet 1 3 5  or 34 comes in bet 2 4 6 and so on i seen this cop max 13 times after 3000 spins before that it was holding of at  8 max 9 spins   .give it a try and let me know what yous think

the las word was chops not cop

CHARLES

You can use the "modify" icon in the upper right portion of your post to re-open it, modify it and then re-post it. 

Sam

i will give you guys some numbers  im am testing them so here goes if the number 18 comes in straight bet-0-4-5-12-13-23-28-34-35-36-and split bet 11 -14    16-19     17-18    21 -24   26-29    27-30    for 6 spins  let me kknow how you make out i will give you other numbers as we go along

whats special about those numbers?

nothing special just see how many times they hit in 6 spins

I gotta admit, I'm stumped and somewhat frustrated. Tried a number of things that showed great promise--then POOF!

And yet I still believe in Charles H's winning bet...

Man...

New--ish Ken :-\

what have you been trying

Went into win3million.com last night for (yet!) another read and found that some text has disappeared.

Unless I am mistaken, the bit about betting "12pounds to win 8 pounds or lose 4 pounds, betting 15 pounds to win 10 pounds or lose 5 pounds", is no longer there.

So I assume other text has been removed as well.

Has anyone downloaded or printed off the "original"?

Mocco

Quote from: CHARLES on December 11, 2008, 06:22:33 PM
nothing special just see how many times they hit in 6 spins

Hi charles,

you are betting 10 numbers Plein
and 12 numbers Split

Thats 22 numbers which give you a hit-rate of 22/37 or 59.5% in the first spin

That gives you the imagination of a winning thing.

but: you bet 16 units
win on single number gives you +20
win on split gives you just +2

for one loss to recover you have to hit 8 splits in a row in the first bet

but most of all, if you bet 16 units you have to use a progression to bet 6 spins
16
16
32
64
128
192
total possible loss: 432 units

you have to hit 22 single numbers in a row in the first bet to recover this
you have to hit 216 splits in the first bet in a row to recover this

by the way: the progression line is only for 16 single-number-bets.
so a progression won with 192 units but on a split won´t give you a win at all

too risky
but ths is only my 2 cents

br
winkel

Quote from: Moccoman on December 11, 2008, 07:20:00 PM
Went into win3million.com last night for (yet!) another read and found that some text has disappeared.

Unless I am mistaken, the bit about betting "12pounds to win 8 pounds or lose 4 pounds, betting 15 pounds to win 10 pounds or lose 5 pounds", is no longer there.

So I assume other text has been removed as well.

Has anyone downloaded or printed off the "original"?

Mocco

I also noticed changes. Since this topic is active, his mail is back on the site. His email was cancelled, and now this topic is hot, in the first page his mailadress is back.

TO CHARLES: I'll give you an idea of what I've been trying soon. And BOY have I been researching, toying with stuff...

Yet, I'm missing the real deal...

WHAT "movements"?!

New Ken. Tomorrow...

ken i think when he s talking about movement he means follow the last result of the wheel look on page 5 there is a question about that.when he showed us the hampshire 5 bet  he was  following a street bet  that is not the bet that he uses but it has to be  that same concept but using another bet  remember he said on page 3 different odds mean different calculation.let me no what you think i have done some test on this  and it works .  your goal  of how many units you  want to win will determan  what odds you will use .

hi winkel what you say is true   but what my intetion is to grind out the wins  after 6 spins i will follow what ever number came up and have another combo  and just play it out until im in profit  but im just testing it  regards

Weird, most pages of his website are gone now???

Quote from: Ka2 on December 12, 2008, 07:03:18 AM
Weird, most pages of his website are gone now???

All of the pages are still there, they are just posted with links at the bottom of each page instead of at the top.

Thanks , Charles.  Could you kindly explain to me that "Hampshire 5" bet?

New Ken

ken what ever street came up follow it

Quote from: CHARLES on December 12, 2008, 01:45:28 PM
ken what ever street came up follow it

Follow the last street each spin, so your only betting 1 street per spin?

OR follow the last street, then if the next spin is a different street, you now bet on the last 2 streets, then the last 3, last 4, etc..... if u went this route there would have to be a progression?

no progression one street at time  one unit at a time your not adding

Noticed that Page 11 has been added to "win3million.com" website and a couple of minor changes to some other pages.

Maybe he is monitoring this forum!!

Mocco

PS. Look in on this site in the new year for an offer for a few of you to join the "Friends of the ACETF"

If you are interested and you would care to go on our "priority" list please email:   Helen@acetf.org

No stories or asking for more details please. Simply put "Friends" in the subject line. She will email you 24 hours before publication.

MAJOR TIP: Know your table layout and where everything is. Turning knowledge to cash is easy.

No knowledge.... No cash.

...... Caper61, well it must be none other then Charles Edward Hampshire  himself??






Carlitos  8)

Quote from: caper61 on December 13, 2008, 04:04:29 AM


No knowledge.... No cash.

Thats not tru, last time i checked the politicians in my country get paid!

QuoteThats not tru, last time i checked the politicians in my country get paid!

Hhahhahahahahah Lmao @ Worm .

That had me in stitches mate.

Lanky.

hahahahaha @ Worm

yeah mate it's like "Don't steal .......  the government hates competition"

jakk

has anyone come up with anything.

I have been looking at this kind of bett were one places 4 chips-,



What would you choosse??


1 - Bett on high or low. Thus, win 1 unit and loosse 1 unit.

or

2 - Bett on 2 double streets, just for example the 1st and 2d, and 2 dozens. Thus, win 2 units and loosse 1 unit.




Perhaps nothing new, but also 4 betts and somewere the follow the movements must come in......??



Carlitos  8)

I too have wondered if ol' Charles Hampshire is monitoring this thread....

And I've even wondered if he might be one of the contributors!...one of US...!

Hmm...

If he IS, though, it'd be real nice if he could drop a few more hints (even if he's done so already)...

Or maybe I need a little rest from trying... ::)


New Ken!!

Uh, Junior Member CHARLES...why is your email address the Win3Million website??

New Ken ???

Hi Charles,

You talked about the "Hampshire bet for streets on page 5" but there is no details for that bet on the page 5 I have!

What version do you have?

Mocco

sorry man that is not my web sight    im just like you  and as far as the bet goes   i have been reserching this guys web sight for the last year  if not longer  i don t think there is a bet  rather he  is careful with his mm  i have been trying simons dozen theory 2 units on each dozen always one in the 2nd dozen and follow the 1st and the 3rd    thats my movement  simon uses really heavy progression  im trying flat betting simon  says that tha he has never seen it zig zag more tha 7 times  so im going by that and testing it as far as charles hamshire goes i have no clue what the guy is using he s to vage in his hints about his bet regards name is tino

Thanks for that.

Even if the website is a sham, a lot of thought has gone into it and in doing that it has promoted a lot of thought in others.

I too have used a 2 dozen plan in the past, but used the last 2 to hit. The MM was up 2 units on a loss and down 1 on a win. Worked ok but gets to be a major grind if you lose a few in a row.

I am testing something at the moment (as a result of "that" site, that seems promising but will look to include a staking plan (maybe a 6 point divisor). I will post it in the next couple of days.

Regards
Mocco

Quote from: CHARLES on December 15, 2008, 07:16:06 PM
I don t think there is a bet; rather he is careful with his mm

Yes something like that, imo.

Check out: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/fact-and-fiction-regarding-the-%27consistent-winning-bet%27/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/fact-and-fiction-regarding-the-%27consistent-winning-bet%27/)

Best,
Marven

Hi Guys.

Well unless I am mistaken isn't caper61 the "Charles" from that website.

Lanky.

Strange I dont hear anyone about the "Invitation"?

Ka2, i have send an email. Just waitt and see what comes out of it...... Send one too, Ka2.








Carlitos  8)

Obviously I allready did.  ;D But I thought it was strange, that nobody talked about it...

Yah me too!! Perhaps everybody knows it's an slizzy way for selling something. I hope not, usualy it goes like this.







Carlitos  8)

Well, time will tell...

Hi mates,

I've been reading a blog article about 'managing your money like a professional gambler' and found a comment made by Charles himself.

The writer of the article (Tynan) seems to have been winning consistently using a system that he wouldn't share (here is his story: nolinks://nolinks.betterthanyourboyfriend.com/how-i-became-a-professional-gambler.htm (nolinks://nolinks.betterthanyourboyfriend.com/how-i-became-a-professional-gambler.htm)) but most of the readers said that this is all BS.

Here is what Charles responded to them:
nolinks://nolinks.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/04/manage-your-finances-like-a-professional-gambler-small-things-add-up/#comment-92255 (nolinks://nolinks.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/01/04/manage-your-finances-like-a-professional-gambler-small-things-add-up/#comment-92255)

Regards,
Marven

Nice work Marven. The threat still keeps me thinking. I just can't figure it out ???

Yah, nice work Marven  ;). However, not much substantial is mentioned on this sites.

I was thinking about the bett. Especaily how to cover the whole of the table and using 3 or 4 betts placement.


Example -,


when you cover the first and second dozen plus the high part. You have covered the whole table with 3 betts, except the zero.

When the balls falls within the first dozen you win 3 units and equalize. When falling in the first part of the second dozen the same thing. Wenn falling in the part that is coverd by both dozen and high you win 1 unit.

Wenn falling in the high part, which is the third dozen, you loosse 1 unit. The same for the zero.



So what's so intresting about this??



Well on the first 18 numbers you play equal. Then on the next 6 numbers you win. And on the last 12 numbers you loosse 1 unit. And off course on the zero you loosse 1 unit.


With this you can play around. You can also cover the first 3 streets and 1 high. Then you win 2 or loosse 2.


Perhaps the Charly bett has to do something with this??






Carlitos  8)

Quote from: Marven on December 26, 2008, 11:07:23 PMThe writer of the article (Tynan) seems to have been winning consistently using a system that he wouldn't share (here is his story: nolinks://nolinks.betterthanyourboyfriend.com/how-I-became-a-professional-gambler.htm (nolinks://nolinks.betterthanyourboyfriend.com/how-I-became-a-professional-gambler.htm)) but most of the readers said that this is all BS.

One of the stupidest stories ever heard! Really! :D
Nothing more than a casino advert to me... 100% sure.

Don't get fooled by such greedy bastards.

All the best,
m

QuoteI was thinking about the bett. Especaily how to cover the whole of the table and using 3 or 4 betts placement.


Example -,


when you cover the first and second dozen plus the high part. You have covered the whole table with 3 betts, except the zero.

When the balls falls within the first dozen you win 3 units and equalize. When falling in the first part of the second dozen the same thing. Wenn falling in the part that is coverd by both dozen and high you win 1 unit.

Wenn falling in the high part, which is the third dozen, you loosse 1 unit. The same for the zero.

Carlitos

My Mate I have obviously missed something here Mate.

Dozen 1=bet 1
Dozen 2=bet 1
Bet High=bet 1

Total Bets=3  How do You only lose 1 when the Zero hits ????

Your Friend.

Lanky.

Quote from: Lanky on December 27, 2008, 07:30:45 PM
Carlitos

My Mate I have obviously missed something here Mate.

Dozen 1=bet 1
Dozen 2=bet 1
Bet High=bet 1

Total Bets=3  How do You only lose 1 when the Zero hits ????

Your Friend.

Lanky.

Hi Lanky mate,

I wonder the same, unless Carlitos is playing on French Roulette with the en prison rule, but also here the numbers not match :

The best variation of Roulette we have dubbed as 'French Roulette' will feature the 'En Prison' rule where half of your 'even money' bets (colour, even/odd and high/low bets) are returned when a zero is spun. Cutting the house advantage in half to 1.35%. Note that there is also the similar the 'la partage' rule, only in this case the player loses half the bet and does not have the option of leaving the bet.  

You lose 2.5 units and keep 0.5 of the even chance, but this is a mixed bet, so don´t know exactly how each casino consider this (you lose on the 2 dozens 2 units).

Cheers,
JLP.-

Lanky, you are right  ;)!! When the zero comes you loosse all 3. I didn't see that when i was writting it down. Only on the last 12 of the 3 dozen you loosse 1 unit.



Good pointing out, thanks!!





Carlitos  8)

if the board has anomalies, what about these? if you look at the numbers 7;8;10;11;13;14 and the numbers 25;26, 28; 29, 31; 32 . these are the only places, where you can cover 3 black numbers at the same time. does this help? i don't know.  :-\

In the article Marven posted I can clearly see an aff link :). That means that the story is there to entice the readers, go to the casino, play and he gets like a hundred bucks for someone who signs up by clicking that link. TRUST me, I know a lot of guys who were doing that. the thing was rampant in 2004-2006. That`s how I got sucked in first. By a stupid martingale book with an aff link. Beware!

You are right guys. I personally never trust people who talk with affiliate links between their lines.

I was only concerned with Charles Hampshire's comment when I posted this, not the article itself.

Regards,
Marven

dong apparently has this winning bet

so this bet really does exist? well, that would be great news. 

I was thinking about this again this morning. I have a lot of associates throughout the casino industry and I have never heard anyone mention this once in my 20 years of involvement with roulette. Kinda strange don't you think? It is worth taking into account that the casinos are anything but stupid and if Charles Hampshire took over 50 million from the casinos, then surely the other partners would have took a lot more out for themselves along the way. This leads me to think that if it was at all possible, then the game of roulette would have changed to take this bet into account just like blackjack had to change when it dawned on the casinos that people were milking them for millions. As an industry, they are not going to sit back and do nothing well they get raped. I hope I am wrong. I wish Charles did exist and has took millions from the casino to help the children in need. Maybe all this is just a way to make a few people think about gambling and how much good money can do rather than gamble it at the tables. Who knows? Somehow I think we will never find out. There is one more option and it could be a big publicity stunt. I know for a fact that casinos have put out so much disinformation over the years that you could not believe it. They have most gamblers right where they want them. It is a shame but people have to think for themselves. The white knight coming to the rescue is about as believable as santa claus.

regards

enrique

Nice words Enrique, good writing. Charles page keeps me thinking too. But still the page is good to refresh your own look. I secretly hope a consistent winning bet does exhist  :)

Quoteso this bet really does exist? well, that would be great news. 

thats what he says but dont count your chickens

He said he won about 3,8 million per year. And he also states that you have to travel a lot, visit all the casino's in the world 9 months per year. So say you go to las vegas for 1 week visit 1 different casino each day,win about 15.000 each day, that's about 100.000 per week. Is 3,6 million per 9 months. Trust me, that can be done, and with 15.000 per day, you won't get noticed.

Quote from: ryan08 on December 30, 2008, 03:10:32 AM
dong apparently has this winning bet

Who's dong? is he a member here?

yeah but he told me he wasnt going to return now he has this winning bet

ryan ther is no winning bet  hit and run is the only way

Ryan,

When I check the registered members on the forum I can't find any dong?

Charles, don't you think hit and run loses in the long term too?

Quoteryan ther is no winning bet  hit and run is the only way

im the last person you need to tell that to mate,

@jhm, hes gone now thats why you cant find him, he came in the chat and told me this bet existed but i didnt realy believe him if im honest then he said he was leaving the forum

I don't believe that either. I found it and bye, to easy.

Hi Enrique,

I must admit that on first reading about winning that much money, it sounded a bit far fetched - even if it was true.

But having thought about it some more, it would be possible to have 400 visits to the casinos over a year and make about 7,500 each visit.

Sure you would be noticed, but given that they are open 24 hours a day (generally), operating on 3 shifts with multiple tables, and not winning a huge amount, it would be possible. I'm sure the staff on the night shift wouldn't tell all the staff on the day shift that a punter won 7,500 last night and so on.

A week long trip to Vegas, you may not visit the same casino twice. Then off to Atlantic City, and so on around the world.

Then even if you were asked for a players card, you could have multiples.

The idea is to stay under the radar, so it's no idle chit chat with the pit crew, no limos, no girls, no yelling and screaming when winning, etc.

He says that all the winnings (less expenses) go to the children. All the others, wouldn't necessarily be as keen to do that many visits to casinos.

I think most would have an initial flurry, then back right off and have sessions here and there, but certainly not anything that resembles a fulltime career. Therefore, staying under the radar as well.

Regards
Mocco

its really pretty easy to stay under the radar and have a full career from roulette, if you make 7500 in a session from roulette, that every month would be enough for a very comfortable lifestyle in england, and you would only need 1 session a month, 12 a year! the casinos would never ever notice you given there are people that put more money down on a single bet than that in the highrollers, there are over 120 casinos in the UK, if i visit a different one every day i would need to return to the same casino 3 times a year, 7500 a session and i have made 2.7million and earned 5 days holiday aswell, then you could also send people to the casino to play for you, send your wife even!

one question how come i dont see too many betting stratagies   there would be more brain storming  and yes jhm it does not win in long term.

like i said before jhm charles hamshire and the street bet take down the last 5 results   lets say the results are  10 30 5 36 1  you start to bet on the last street until you trap a bet then go to number 36  do the same until you have a profit  and do that with all the numbers in the example  this is what the guy means by movement he showed me this  but he also said that that was not the bet the members were using. his bet also has lost on occasion to lose 6 in a row this is also what we need to think about what bet on occassion would lose 6 in a row in 30 sessions of a 100 spins a session is it the dozens  evon money and so forth.he also said one time its straight bet double edged bet i do not no what he ment by that . this is what we need to brainstorm on.

Charles, how do you bett this way using an 4 bett?? Thats what he says on his website, you need to place 4 betts.







Carlitos  8)

The point is, he doesnt say the 4 bets he uses, are 4 locations on the table in total. Or are 4 individual bets, each consisting out of numerous locations on the table...

this is what he says on page 10:

"However a series of bets taken during a planned session that has been proven over a long period to return a consistent profit is "safe betting"

it could mean that he has one , lets say superior, bet, which consists of other bets, which he then uses one after another. maybe according to the moves on the layout?

So i think its safe to say. That there are 4 bets in total to be made. (example red+odd is bet1 black+even is bet2 etc...) And within those 4 bets, wich are based on movements on the table, there is also a bet to be made...

he say there are 4 winning bets  in total of the game i don t think he means there 4 bets he places  but it is double edged.

i was thinking when i asked charles what he thought about betting black and 3rd colum he said it was a fair bet but not a good bet  i have notice if betting a dozen and a colum at the same time  lets say 27 comes out bet 3rd  dozen and 3rd colum you hit on both thats a 4 unit profit  and u hit one thats a1 unit profit .if we wait for a trigger then bet  and base that on movment  there might be somthing . what do you guys think of this   .

that could be a point to start from. but isn't this still sort of trying to beat the odds which we should forget about?

............. you need to look were most of the same numbers are. So if 27 comes out, were can you find most of the same?? It would be in dozen 1 and 2, and colomn 1 and 3. Then place the 4 betts.

Or bett againgst the number. So this would an number, black and even. Dozen 1 and 2, and colomn 1 and 2.


When you look at the number 27, red and oneven and bett an number againgst you will see that these numbers are alomst in the same dozens and colomns. Only 1 dozen or colomn is not the same.


Same thing for red and even. Bett againgst, black and oneven.



This seems to work somehow.......






Carlitos  8)

odds are not going away with what ever bet you make  the more you add the less profit therefore he says to beat the game walking away with profit each time  but he also says  to test it for a 100 spins  for 30 sessions thats where were at its only testing that will solve the problem.remeber what  he say that if ther in profit they continue they never go below 3 units ,and if there on a losing  streak as soon as they reach3 units they quit. and if you go to page 7 he says if they lose one unit they leave the table and go  back later  making me think maybe there is a trigger.let me no what you think.

Oke, let's continue brainstorming.

Maybe the bet is built up in multiple bets, played on different tables.

Like:

Bet 1: 1 unit on EC. Wait for a serie bbbrrbbrrbbbbrrrb-> (the color switches from r to b now follow the series and bet a B)
- When win session end, start a new one. When lost find a suitable table for the next bet.
Bet 2: 4 units (2 units on 2 dozen) mark dozen in 1(1-12),2(13-24),3(25-30). Find a table where a unique combination comes up of 3 dozen, this can be 123/132/213/231/312/321. Lets say 18(2),9(1) and 30(3) come up, we have the unique combination of 213. Now the unique combination wont continue long so we bet the two opposite dozen 1 and 3.
- When win session end, start a new one. When lost find a suitable table for the next bet.
Bet 3: 30 units (6 units on 5 double streets). Find a table where the double streets jump (1/6/2/4/5 etc.) than bet the 5 double streets except the double street where the last number showed.

The bet above is dangerous. We risk 35 units to only win one. But the chance we loss al three bets is small also.

It's just an idea. Maybe Charles means we have to find a bet like above.

got to get ready for the party. I wish you guys a happy new year!!!

don't forget: 2009 is the year that makes us all  big, rich and famous.  ;D

cheers from germany

I have gone through his website and I found something funny,he copied so much on the page 14.

nolinks://nolinks.secretsofself-mademillionaires.com/index-aff2.html (nolinks://nolinks.secretsofself-mademillionaires.com/index-aff2.html)

i checked it out and your wright page 14 is copyed from this sight  this could be all bull shit. good work on finding this  .

Even though that webpage seems fishy but I still found something inspiring such as

" A guaranteed Loser is a guaranteed Winner?" ,

that reminds me the chameleon strategy and also think about the bet selection..

it seems like we tend to make the wrong decision all the time..

why? because of the randomness nature of the game or something else..

I think I get the idea from the sentences below on page 15th..


Taking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette. Look at the game...not the maths.

now how would you take advantage of a random game   . what does random mean  not knowing  whats next. unless your psychic,he says on page 5 to look at the results and it will give you movement of results across the table  what does that mean  i  interpret that as follow the last concept which all of us allready no that, just by doing that aren t you following a pattern . next you need a bet that takes advantage of the runs and changes  what does that mean i interepret that as  a pattern a series of results isnt that the same, then hes says your bet should win by flat betting thats on the inside of the table ,thats what he told me when i asked him the question where am i level betting .the bets bets you make inside are the same as the outside side betting unless your playing sectors, we all no that. find a bet thats garenteed to lose, and you found a winning bet  .ok i will bet1 number at a time as it comes out .thats a loser bet . it does not make any sense  .

of the subjecte of charles what do you guys think of sequetial  roulette book  it cost 100 dollars in pounds is this book interesting does any ony herd about it

Quote from: CHARLES on January 01, 2009, 03:43:01 PM
now how would you take advantage of a random game. what does random mean  not knowing  whats next. unless your psychic,he says on page 5 to look at the results and it will give you movement of results across the table  what does that mean  I  interpret that as follow the last concept which all of us allready no that, just by doing that aren t you following a pattern . next you need a bet that takes advantage of the runs and changes  what does that mean I interepret that as  a pattern a series of results isnt that the same, then hes says your bet should win by flat betting thats on the inside of the table ,thats what he told me when I asked him the question where am I level betting .the bets bets you make inside are the same as the outside side betting unless your playing sectors, we all no that. find a bet thats garenteed to lose, and you found a winning bet  .ok I will bet1 number at a time as it comes out .thats a loser bet . it does not make any sense  .

Charles, He said " look at the game, not the odds". I think we should look at the game from outside of the game.

what do you mean from ouside of the game.

Quote from: CHARLES on January 01, 2009, 07:53:01 PM
what do you mean from ouside of the game.

Charles, image youself at casino, drinking a beer at the bar and watching whole bunch of ppl at roulette table.
forget about how to catch pattern, LW  and randomness, what you need to do is to find a consistent loser and place bet against him.
he bets black, you bet red, he does 1st dz, you do 2nd and 3rd dz..

In my opinion,  if what MR.Charles said was true, I bet he is using some other techniques outside of the games. A game that makes use of  his randomness rules yet casino to follow..

I also thought of this myself, betting against players. But I think on page 16 he says something about testing "his" system with wiesbaden spins. So that wouldn't work...  He also makes a remark about the dashed line in the wiesbaden spins, what represents the dealer change... maybe we have to take advantage of that somehow?

What if he's a Bias/Dealer Signature player? ;D

Seriously though, the only thing that kept me from thinking that he is a VB player in disguise is the fact that he said we should look at the table never the wheel.

The strange thing is that we all know, and so does he, that the table is symmetrical and unbeatable.
He also seems to be clearly talking about a bet selection, and we all know that bet selection ALONE doesn't make us win on the long run.
I did consider that his 'Bet[smiley=engel017.gif]' could be a certain strategy or MM thing (especially since he talks about beating the game not the odds), but then it seems to be clear that it isn't the case and that he's talking about a BET in the common sense of the word (a bet selection).

So what the heck? ???

...The mystery continues... ;D

Quote from: pighead on December 31, 2008, 05:49:16 PM
I have gone through his website and I found something funny,he copied so much on the page 14.

nolinks://nolinks.secretsofself-mademillionaires.com/index-aff2.html (nolinks://nolinks.secretsofself-mademillionaires.com/index-aff2.html)

It seems Charles got his information from that site, as it exhist longer.

Registered through: CheapCheapDomainNames.com
Domain Name: SECRETSOFSELF-MADEMILLIONAIRES.COM
Created on: 18-May-06
Expires on: 18-May-09
Last Updated on:

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (nolinks://nolinks.godaddy.com (nolinks://nolinks.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: WIN3MILLION.COM
Created on: 30-Jun-07
Expires on: 30-Jun-10
Last Updated on: 03-Jun-08

Quote from: Marven on January 02, 2009, 09:13:04 AM

The strange thing is that we all know, and so does he, that the table is symmetrical and unbeatable.

The table is not symmetrical, definitely not...

Quote from: JHM on January 02, 2009, 09:13:19 AM
It seems Charles got his information from that site, as it exhist longer.

Naughty Charles! ;D :P

Quote from: Ka2 on January 02, 2009, 09:21:23 AM
The table is not symmetrical, definitely not...

Quote
Symmetrical: –adjective
Characterized by or exhibiting symmetry; well-proportioned, as a body or whole; regular in form or arrangement of corresponding parts.
source: nolinks://dictionary.reference.com/browse/symmetrical (nolinks://dictionary.reference.com/browse/symmetrical)

Hi Ka2,

I was talking in terms of embedded payout.
The table is made and arranged in such a way that it leaves absolutely no chance to place a single bet that overcomes the house edge when played consistently or in combination with any other bets.

This is what made Einstein say that the only way to win left is to steal chips from the table, and he was right in THAT sense. There is no mathematical 'flaw' in the roulette table.

But Einstein was not a professional gambler.
So is roulette still beatable?
I'd say: Hell yes. ;)

Regards,
Marven

Sorry my fault, that is indeed true.  ;D

Quote from: Ka2 on January 02, 2009, 09:30:47 AM
Sorry my fault, that is indeed true.  ;D

No problem mate. :)

I recall there is a page where Charles talks about his money management plan. What do you guys thing about it?

I'll go have a look at it and quote things here, see if we can extract some more food for thought.

Cheers,
Marven

Quotes from Charles regarding Money Management:

QuoteManage your money.  Money management is the single most important factor.  Never place a bet without a plan of action.

QuoteTHE THEORY BEHIND THE SYSTEM.
(...)
1. The player risks only small money
2. All large bets are made on house money
3. Bizarre runs of luck occur under the laws of chance.  Ever smaller money is in play during the player's losing cycles and ever larger money is in play during the player's winning cycles.
4. The home pocket takes money in, but never gives it out.  All player wins, even the small ones, are permanent.
5. Attack betting combined with good luck provides the player a theoretically unlimited chance at winning. Proof? How many times have you been in front...only to end up a loser on the day?
6. Since the player is absolutely prohibited from quitting during a win streak, there is no theoretical limit to the size of a player win.
7. The player runs out of money at the end of an increment, but the house does not run out of money.
8. Because the house has unlimited funds, all large wins will be the player's. Because increment size is limited, the house's wins will be small.

QuoteMONEY MANAGEMENT:

This is a subject that you can spend a lifetime reading!  Do not bother! Tied in with all of the losing systems...double after a loss...reduce after 46 reds, parlays, change after you have lost a million? Etc. etc. Total bullshit for fools. This is straight betting to win...not the "Stock exchange"   Take note, you will lose.

There is only one "Money Management System" you need, and it is simple. Housewives do it every week. It is called... "Budgeting" !

You use a betting bank based upon the bet you are using. You multiply it by 3 times your worst losing run. This gives you the same amount for each bet. This gives your bet a good insurance against a bad run. That's it...You win the session with more winning bets than losers.  If you lose...you have been cheated...or your bet is useless.

Nothing complex, simply commonsense. If your bet does not win on straight level betting...your bet is no good....go back to the drawing board.

May I explain by way of example? Our bet has shown on occasions to lose 6 in a row. So we need to multiply our session bank  3x6 = 18 (we round it up to 20) Therefore all the trustees always divide by 20. They have 20 bets of the same amount to use each session. In most sessions we never use more than 2 units from our bank before being in profit.
Ie. If we use a playing bank of £10.000 for a session we have 20 bet units of £500. For each bet.

You can now see that you must "Fit" your bets to the weakest part of your bet. All very simple. Do not be fooled by complexity. Keep everything simple and safe.

Please do not be confused when you read page 5.
It will explain how we decide how much money we wish to win...we adjust our playing bank...but keep to the 20 units to bet with. We only adjust the total amount to suit.

OUR BETTING RULES:    Please copy them.

We play safe at all times.

We bet one bet at a time

We never place other bets

We don't guess

We never gamble

That is what we do. That is what every professional does. That is what you should do.
When you find your "Winning Bet" you must have a set of "Rules" It is the bet and the rules combined that give you a "Winning Formula" you must never deviate from.

A major rule for professional players who will play in excess of 400 sessions per year is that you must finish your session with at least 2 consecutive wins. Never on a losing bet.

The difference is a small fortune. I won't do the maths for you...do it yourself, as a lesson you must never forget. Look very hard at your winning bet, and it will tell you if it is worth making that more than two. Keep in mind that professionals always play to win.

QuoteHow do I make over £3 million a year? Here is the secret! I average £8000.00 profit per session x 400 sessions. I work under nine months total in the Casinos, and the rest of the time is split between my family and my charity projects. I play with big players and I am only a "small" winner! This amount is usually less than what is bet by others for ONE SPIN! 

Now you know another secret!
Win small but consistently. It adds up!

Note: That average, fluctuates between £3000.00 and £19000.00 dependent upon my personal judgment of each situation and the Casino. I "set" my bet amount to suit. (see page 5 for details)

Ok, this is from page 5:

QuoteThe "Bet" is the key...not your capitol.

(Again, I think, here, by "Bet" he means something else, or why he'd put it in ""? According to the context, "Bet" means money management strategy.)

Quote
Q. I found a winning bet, but it is too boring. What do I do ?
A. Sounds like you are a "Gambler" and not a "Profit" person. I cannot help you. I have no interest in gambling or gamblers.

This is not MM related, but I wanted to mention it.
He says that patience is unquestionably necessary, and that you must be someone who can take a slow and tedious grind.
You'd be surprised at how many people don't have that (even in this forum), the fact that you're reading this thread means that you want it easy. You want an easy life. That's simply not how it works.
On a couple of occasions, I have received a PM from newly signed up members asking me if I found something that wins consistently that I could just 'handle' to them for the sake of 'saving time'.
The same happened in the chat room once.
Seriously guys, I often stay awake for 48 hours and more just to learn new things, read, tweak things, calculate things, chat with and learn from friends who know better than me, practice, make mistakes and fail, feel awful, then restart from scratch. Learn again, practice again, etc.
The people I know who are successful with the game are definitely patient people. Strategy players are.
Victor once said that he once sat in the casino for almost an entire day, just to break even and go home. He is my number one source of learning.
My VB playing friends track wheels for hours and hours. They are truly patient people who deserve the edge they get when they get it.
Anyway, just to let you know: Nothing worth having was ever easy to obtain.
Now back on topic.

QuoteIf we were going for say a 12 point profit hit and after 7 or 8 ahead we hit a bad sequence, we would not go below 3 points win. We quit at 3 points win.

QuoteProfit control is part of your formula.

QuoteYou must look very hard at your bet and depending on how consistent it is....work out a plan that suits your bet. Plan never to lose a session. Win even if it is small.

I believe this has a lot to do with calculating the win/loss ratio and worst scenario of your strategy, then building your MM plan accordingly. This is a golden tip.

QuoteUnder the hidden factor system cycles of luck will be controlled. The laws of chance will be manipulated by a money management system.

THE THREE OBJECTIVES ARE:

(1) Win streaks. ----- Bet heavily during all win streaks.
(2) Secure the win. ----- Never lose the win back to the house.
(3) Control Risk. -------  Protect the player from substantive loss.

Another proof that this "Bet" has nothing to do with bet selection, but with a MM strategy instead (e.g. spotting the cycles and taking advantage of them).


I hope that was helpful for now.
Next I will be posting and commenting on Charles' 'Increments Money Management Plan'.

All the best,
Marven

he says, he needs 500.- for each bet. this could be:

100. - on red or black
100.- on odd or even
100.- on 1-18 or 19-36
100.- on a dozen
100.- on a column

EVERYONE READING THIS THREAD [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif],

Since this is the 'Bet Selection' section, I have posted Charles' 'Increments MM Plan' along with my comments here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/%27increments-money-management-plan%27-by-charles-hampshire/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/%27increments-money-management-plan%27-by-charles-hampshire/)

Check it out.

Regards,
Marven

marven nice post happy new year,so when he talks about streaks can last for days  and if he is watching for these cycles doesnt that mean hes watching for some kind of trigger to go in and trap a bet therfore looking for some kind of pattern to happen.regards

Indeed nice post Marven  ;) But he specifecly mentions movements on the table as being one of the big clue he can give away.....






Carlitos  8)

Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds. 

Totally honest people and mathematicians who fail to find a way, say it cannot be done. They have been looking at beating the odds. Roulette is a casino owners dream game. The odds as one would normally look at for any betting cannot be beaten. It is the game itself where I and the other professional players have found the answer.

Unfortunately there is much confusion about roulette. I will now try to cut through the absolute rubbish you have been subject to by amateurs and losers who do not understand the game, or the fact the game is random, is actually to your advantage..

Guys, If you are still looking at bets, I would say you are going to the wrong direction..

"Allow me tell you once and forever...you can only... find a way to beat the Game...not the Odds."

I agree with this 100%. odds are odds. 1+1 will always be 2. and -2.7% will always be -2.7%.

Does that mean that you can not beat the game. No, I am convinced you can beat the game.

Did Einstein play roulette for 20 years?  I am sure if he did, he would have found a way to beat the game, never the odds.

regards

enrique.

p.s. I just noticed this bit as well. 

"the fact the game is random, is actually to your advantage."  This is so true.

page 15:

"There is a way to take advantage of randomness witin roulette."

"There lies the greatest clue I can give you. I had by default found the answer to randomness finding a bet that was able to use the 'Runs' and the 'Changes' to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster."

So, which bet selection covers both best? What about "following the last decision" as one part of the bet?

What do you guys think?

Quote from: pighead on January 02, 2009, 05:28:21 PM

THIS IS THE KEY TO THE DOOR TO FINDING THAT WINNING BET:

You will need to know as much as possible about roulette
Now you should look in detail at all the moves that happen on a roulette table. (Not the wheel)  At first or even second glance you will perhaps not see them, because you are looking at all the conventional moves. This is the "Unconventional" thinking you need.

This is the only place where you find that genuine winning bet. There is nothing complicated about the bets you can find. For example...our bet is "automatic". We know where to bet each and every spin of the wheel. We know that individual bets do not matter win or lose...because we know that we will have enough winning bets to return a great profit every session.

To the best of my knowledge there are four winning bets in total to be found within the game. I have learned to always keep an open mind. Therefore I accept there may be others I have no knowledge of. I do know that this website is miss-named!  It should be 4million.com because that is the average I earned from my bet in 13 years play.

There is no-one only yourself, stopping you from doing exactly the same. Dreams are a wonderful to have...but without the action to turn them to reality...they remain just a dream.

I am going to give you one last clue that will take you as far as I can without giving the bet away. [highlight][/highlight]Make a list of every move that can happen...check out the possibilities of each move...if you have not found the right ones...you must look again. They are there and that is a proven fact.  It may take you some time...the payoff is huge...and for life!

What are those conventional moves? Guys[/size]

if he means moves like from 1 to 25 to 8 to 8 to 9 and back to 1 again that would be a question for the math people in the forum. how many different moves do exist? but he always states that the solution is simple and can be found with 'common sense'. so to keep it simple, what about moves like up, down, right, left?

what about the moves of players and dealers?

or the moves of the money/ chips?

Quote from: CHARLES on January 02, 2009, 01:25:33 PM
marven nice post happy new year,so when he talks about streaks can last for days  and if he is watching for these cycles doesn't that mean hes watching for some kind of trigger to go in and trap a bet therfore looking for some kind of pattern to happen.regards

Thanks Tino, and happy new year.

Yes. Regardless of his bet selection, the latter has good and bad runs/cycles, he just jumps in when the conditions are in his favor, and bets with an up as you win / down (or flat bet?) as you lose scheme, using it within and fully taking advantage of the available table limits/range.

He builds on the casino's money and quits as soon as he reaches his session's goal. He then keeps track of his long term winning streaks and invests more when he is on a good cycle (taking advantage of the law of chance) I.e. a good run of sessions; and vice versa.

Quote from: Carlitos on January 02, 2009, 02:45:15 PM
Indeed nice post Marven  ;) But he specifecly mentions movements on the table as being one of the big clue he can give away.....

Thanks Carlitos. There can be many interpretations for 'movements on the table' and I'm afraid it doesn't help much.

We have no room for 'guessing' and we must move forward to something useful.

Quote from: pighead on January 02, 2009, 04:32:06 PM
Guys, If you are still looking at bets, I would say you are going to the wrong direction..

Yes pighead. That's what I've been trying to say.

Whether Charles' realizes it or not, we can't just 'guess' what bet selection he is using. Even though he threw a few clues, we still can't use them.

The fact that we should watch the table, who doesn't watch the table anyway?
The fact that there are certain anomalies in the table, yes but we simply can't use that to make any difference.
Past results, trying to beat randomness, etc. etc... This is nothing new, all roulette players have already been looking (or not looking) at past results trying to beat randomness in one way or another.

I must conclude that his 'clues' are unfortunately of no real help. There are infinite possible bet selections, and it doesn't matter that much anyway. So my suggestion was: if you are going to spend time on this, spend it on something worth it. ;)

The only thing that he shared, and that we might use, is his MM plan.
I read it and I think he knows what he's talking about.

I won't be posting in this thread as much now since I have other things to work on. I just wanted to point out another possible direction that might be more useful for you guys.

All the best to you all
& good luck!

Marven

Marven, we appreciate your postings  ;)







Carlitos  8)

Given 15 units, every session start with 1 unit. You have 15 sessions. You decide when to bet and where to bet. Do you think you can make 4 straight wins? Than you win. I think this is good possible.

Take the advantage of randomness, pick a table where you see a serie like:

rrr/bbbbb/rrrrrr/bb/rrrrrr/bbb/rrrrr/bbb->r we have a switch here from black to red, follow the table/serie and bet r.
hhhh/llll/hhh/ll/hh/llll/hhh->L we have a switch here from high to low, follow the serie bet low (1-18)
oo/eeee/oooo/eee/oo->e we have a switch here from odd to even, follow the serie bet even

Start with 1 unit, double with the casino's money, if you can win 4 in a row you're up 16.

Do you think you can make 1 serie of 4 wins in 15 chances?

Just did a little test with wiesbaden spins on colors.

First unit, loss -1
Second unit, bet 1 won, leave table, bet 2 won, leave table, bet 3 won, leave table, bet 4 won.

Did some more testing, all failed.

Maven, I am not giving up. I donot think we work hard enough yet to find the answer. It seems like HansHuckebein was right.. he referred to the movement of the results.

on page 5, What does "Movements" mean ?

A.         It means that if you look at the results of the wheel, you will see movements of results across the table. If you can find a bet to trap more winners than losers against the odds paid, you have a winning bet [/size]

what exactly  it mean by "trapping more winners than losers against the odds paid"?

pighead movement means follow the last result lets say you make a street bet you follow it until you have a win street 1 comes in follow it as it changes keep following it .against the odds  means a street is a 11 to 1 bet  .

Quote from: Carlitos on January 03, 2009, 01:24:04 PM
Marven, we appreciate your postings  ;)

Thanks mate. :)
Just sharing my take on this.

Cheers!

Quote from: pighead on January 03, 2009, 06:46:51 PM
Maven, I am not giving up. I donot think we work hard enough yet to find the answer. It seems like HansHuckebein was right.. he referred to the movement of the results.

on page 5, What does "Movements" mean ?

A.         It means that if you look at the results of the wheel, you will see movements of results across the table. If you can find a bet to trap more winners than losers against the odds paid, you have a winning bet [/size]

what exactly does it mean by "trapping more winners than losers against the odds paid"?

Hi pighead,

I will try to quickly answer you with my take on this.

Imagine this situation:

There is a machine in front of you that throws baseball balls to you at the same time.

This machine throws exactly 37 balls in one second.

In our imaginary situation, you naturally have exactly 18 hands, each hand wearing a baseball glove and can catch one ball.

In the way Charles states it, you ought to find a way to catch (trap) the balls in a way that the number of balls that you catch will be greater than the number of balls missed by at least 1.

How would you do this?
How would you make 37-19=19 ?

But wait! Here we are trying to beat the maths, and Charles says that we shouldn't, that we should forget about the odds for a minute and focus on beating the game.

(Now the math people only see math, and will naturally say: "But it's a game of MATH! Duh!)

Let us recall Charles' words:

QuoteBetting in any game where randomness governs, any fixity is guaranteed unprofitable. Roulette is truly random. Do not be fooled by "reading" past results and believing you have spotted a pattern you can rely on.

QuoteTaking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette. Look at the GAME...not the maths.
A winning bet takes care of the maths automatically.

QuoteOUR BET IS A SIMPLE "TRAP" BET.

QuoteA BET THAT TRAP ENOUGH WINNERS TO GIVE EACH SESSION A VERY GOOD PROFIT.  WE LOVE RANDOMNESS!   STOP LOOKING AT THE MATHS.
IT TRULY IS THAT SIMPLE !

Charles also says that the great majority of players are not losing because of the house edge, but because they fully expose them selves to losing cycles. These 'ordinary' players are not aware of the 'cycles' within roulette. Strategy players are.
The same thing Manrique once said. See for yourself: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/vls%27-notes/manrique/msg26136/#msg26136 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/vls%27-notes/manrique/msg26136/#msg26136) (thanks Victor for sharing Manrique's words with us).

OK, let's focus on the game once again:

The game of Roulette produces a flow of random 'outcomes'.

In these random outcomes there are:
1. Series Outcomes: Or what we call 'Streaks'. This is what Charles means by 'Runs'.
2. Mixed Results: This is what Charles means by 'Changes'
(there is also Cross Combination results, but he says: "There is no such thing as "Cross combination results" They are simply past results that anyone can see".

Now look at this:

QuoteTrapping the runs, and trapping the changes quickly enough (not all) but at a better than the odds rate will make you a winner.

These runs/changes ARE the 'movements' we are looking for! ;)

QuoteThere lies the greatest clue I can give you. I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both.

Charles sometimes refers to his 'bet' as the 'Hidden Factor System'.
He says that there is the First Factor, the obvious one that we all see which is the maths, the odds placed by the house against us. And there is the 'Hidden Factor' which he defines as:
"THE HIDDEN FACTOR: The second factor under the rules of chance is streaks. Games of chance involve cycles of luck both good and bad. (...) Cycles of luck are more important."

He also talks about dispersion surfing, saying:

QuoteLosing streaks will occur under any system.  The player must be able to ride out any and all losing streaks.

Trust me guys, this is nothing but pure strategy play.
There is no big secret.
He is talking about trapping the cycles within the random outcomes of roulette. THAT is his bet. :)

Those 'cycles' are what we strategy players rely on to win.
Those cycles are the natural/inevitable product of randomness. That is why Charles said "We love randomness".

If you want some more info on this, please have a look at these posts by Victor found here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/figuring-out-the-%27train%27-concept/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/figuring-out-the-%27train%27-concept/)
Unlike Charles, he is willing to share with a more practical and applicable information (not that I'm ungrateful to Charles for his ideas though).

I said this before and will say it again: There are two types of players that I know of who can win consistently playing roulette, VB and bias players, and strategy players (Yes, proper strategy play coupled with clever money management can make you win).
Both ways require learning and dedication.

I said I won't be posting as much about this, but this one was worth it.

These, however, are just my views guys. Nothing fancy. I am just as you.

I am however glad with the track I'm on, and I wanted to share with you what led me to such track.
If nothing else, then it is a real challenge and fun as well, and what is life without those? ;)

All the best,
Marven

Hi Maven and Charles,

thank you for very detailed explanations.

Maybe you are right, Like Kungfu Panda Po said: " there is not Secret Ingredients" ;D ;D ;D

Charles was just playing JD and JC to trap the changes.


PH

Nice post Marven, looks like you are on the right track mate. I'm starting to think that any decent system can be a long term winner when combined with the right money management.

marven that was well said im interested what kind of play do like. regards

thanks marven, great post.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-bet-without-debating-who-are-frauds/15/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-bet-without-debating-who-are-frauds/15/)

this is where new ken played a very successful session following mr. hampshires hints. a little later in the post ken says that he follwed the movements on the table and always played 18 numbers.

I've tried to deduct something from this session but haven't gotten very far until now. maybe you guys could also take a look at it?

does anyone know how exactly New Ken played?

Madupz (and other guys who are interested in Ken's bet). Ken and I had contact per PM, as we both had our ideas for the consistant winning bet. Suprisingly we both had come to the same bet in the end, it's the following. Check last number hit. Leave out that ds (double street) and column. You'll play 20-21 numbers. Decide for yourself to play zero or not.

Ken please correct me if I'm wrong, or you have found another bet.

and how has your testing performed using that bet?

.........JHM not to offset you but Ken says he only plays 18 numbers inside  :o





Carlitos  8)

Than probably that is not the bet Ken and I sent PM about

.....that i do not know. He said, he played 18 nos.......






Carlitos  8)

thank you very much for sharing your idea, jhm.  :)

hmmmm, with all respect, but nobody seems to realise there where only 4 bets in total remember? So I think there's no point to deviate from that.

Hi KA2,

You mentioned that before but he doesn't refer to a 4 bet scenario (as in D1D2C1C2), only "To the best of my knowledge there are 4 winning bets in total to be found within the game" which is on page 3 of the site.

I believe that his bet placement changes each spin, "We know where to bet each and every spin of the wheel" also on page 3. This, to me anyway, doesn't sound like a bet like RD1C2 every spin.

Also, he deliberately emphasises the word "consistent" throughout the site, if the bet didn't change then why would he say that? Why not just say "the bet" or something similar?

Regards
Mocco

 

"May I explain by way of example? Our bet has shown on occasions to lose 6 in a row. So we need to multiply our session bank  3x6 = 18 (we round it up to 20) Therefore all the trustees always divide by 20. They have 20 bets of the same amount to use each session. In most sessions we never use more than 2 units from our bank before being in profit."


A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET can lose 6 in row?  ;D ;D

think about it, lose 6 times in a row, flatbetting. So the 7th bet you have to win all your money back, because if after the seventh bet you get another streak of say 5 losses, your total loss would be 10...

So the bet would have to be egineered, flatbetting, say example first you bet red, you loose, 2nd bet 2nd column, you loose. 3th bet street etc, etc, It have to be something like this, otherwise it cant be done, ever...

again, my point was as Charles said:


"I am going to tell you how they, all and I found what I call "a consistent winning bet".

We found it by looking at the "Game" not the "Odds", and used a great deal of "lateral thinking" in the research."

Looking at the game, not the odds..

Letts focus on the movements. He says that this is the biggest clue he can give. On the Question and answers page he says -,

QuoteIt means that if you look at the results of the wheel, you will see      movements of results across the table. If you can find a bet to trap more winners than losers against the odds paid, you have a winning bet 

He also says, that with an little time and effort..... Meaning perhaps that it shouldn't be so hard to find out what the bet is.



So, must we look at the wheel first and then look for the same results on the table and see how, or if there are, any movements??







Carlitos  8)

my thinking is what bet loses 6 in a row on occasion  if we take any 24 numbers  2 dozens i think  insde is better and try to create as close to the wheel as we can  using lines or what ever pick 12 numbers as a pillar and and the other numbers you will move them as they come up like a back and forth movement  just an idea

The only things that 'move' in roulette:

The dealer
The players
The chips

The wheel
The ball

Past results (in the form of runs and changes: streaks and chops)

The only things that 'move' in the roulette table:

The players
The chips

Past results (in the form of runs and changes: streaks and chops)

Regards,
Marven

As for bet selection, believe me guys it doesn't matter that much whatever you put on the table.

I have countless hours and tried countless bet selections and combinations of bet selections and they all lose flatbetting (even if they show positive results at first) UNLESS you start looking at and studying the 'runs' and 'changes' (movements?).

It was THEN when I noticed I could start making some difference.

I think maybe that is why he said 'movements' are the greatest clue he can give.

He also said that not everybody can see them, and that you might not see them at first, only if you look closely and think lateral; and I think this is true, not everyone is seeing these 'runs' and 'changes', even if they're ASKED to, that is a fact.

Regards,
Marven

marven  what do you think would be the best bet for runs and chops  im ready to test anthing.

do you guys think he uses progression at all?  I guess he does..

Maven,

he also mentioned there are 4 winning bets. does it imply 4 types of "run and changes"?

Quote from: CHARLES on January 05, 2009, 03:02:09 PM
marven  what do you think would be the best bet for runs and chops  im ready to test anthing.

I'm still experimenting mate. But I'm a strategy player, and I see a huge similarity between what he's talking about and what is used in strategy play. That's why I'm sticking here, it's fun to see such similarity and would be nice if it turns out the same.

I personally play Victor's Lw applied to the LD, the 5 lines, an EC method of mine, and a simple method where I chase 1 column.
I apply the Lw to ALL of these and somewhat take advantage of the 'runs and changes' (if you wanna put it that way).

As for bankroll management, I use Victor's 50% plan and I'm applying a few tweaks on it inspired by Charles' ideas (you can see them in the post I made in the MM section).

I'm not that experienced with all this yet, but I've been winning (sometimes more sometimes less, but it's been reasonably consistent so far).

If you're interested in strategy play, here are a couple of links you might find very useful:

The forum's strategy play section: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/) (pay attention to Victor and Lanky's posts)

For info on dealing with the 'runs and changes'. Check out Victor posts here! ;)) nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/figuring-out-the-%27train%27-concept/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/figuring-out-the-%27train%27-concept/)

Victor shares some words from Manrique here, very good stuff: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/vls%27-notes/manrique/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/vls%27-notes/manrique/)

Good on ya mate,
Best of luck!

P.S. Buy a ton of coffee, you will need it. ;D

Quote from: pighead on January 05, 2009, 03:06:21 PM
do you guys think he uses progression at all?  I guess he does..

Absolutely NOT!

He mentioned many known progressions and said they are all a joke, and that a true consistent winning bet should win with flatbetting.

However, in his MM plan, he did recommend the approach of trying to invest more when you are on a winning run and vice versa, it has nothing to do with progressions though.

Regards,
Marven

Quote from: pighead on January 05, 2009, 03:11:18 PM
Maven,

he also mentioned there are 4 winning bets. does it imply 4 types of "run and changes"?

Mate, if I understand him correctly, he means he knows of 4 ways of playing ('bets') that can win consistently, and he says there might be more, but those are the ones he knows of, among those he says his 'bet' is the most effective (i.e. the best).

As for the actual bets he places when playing his bet, (if I get him correctly) I believe it changes in terms of location. Each time he know WHERE to place a bet and WHY ===> the reason/strategy behind it is always the same: hence he calls it 'mechanical'.

Determining where and why we place a bet depending on a study of the current situation is called 'situational play'. ;)

Example: we're playing the LD and we have this:
nolinkswLnolinksnolinksnolinkswLnolinksnolinksww
Trying to chase the L's here is the opposite of 'smart'. ;D
It's the w's season and we better take advantage of it.

Regards,
Marven

Guys,

Maybe we are looking in the wrong direction. We're only looking for a (safe) bet to increase our BR with 1% every day. See this great post by Wally Gator
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/food-for-thought-holy-grail/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/food-for-thought-holy-grail/)

QuoteGuys,

Maybe we are looking in the wrong direction. We're only looking for a (safe) bet to increase our BR with 1% every day. See this great post by Wally Gator
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/food-for-thought-holy-grail/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/food-for-thought-holy-grail/)

I agree :)

Fellas, just think for a second please...

1% every day?! Why not 1% in EACH of 365 sessions daily?
Please do not tell me you think there IS some difference!

So it's not the time that is a problem, it's the bet selection...
Of course it is, if you can make 1% in some way, you can make millions daily.

JHM, lucky strike,
Come on guys, it's like you post here for the very first time...

Charles summon:

nolinks://nolinks.win3million.com/WELCOME_TO_2009.html (nolinks://nolinks.win3million.com/WELCOME_TO_2009.html)   ::) ::) ::)

.......... anybody sent an email yet?? And, what about the maiinglist?? Anyone received something?? I talking about the friends subject mailing which was posted here.





Carlitos 8)

I did send him an email, time will tell...

.......... me too. So far haven't received anything.....







Carlitos  8)

Guys,

wish you luck..I did not email at all.. Could you let me know if you are in ??   

thanks
PH

Pighead, just send an email to " Helen@acetf.org " with Friends in the subject box.....







Carlitos  8)

Carlitos, did you read the page?? this time is different man..

Charles@win3million.com


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NO, that is some different indeed. Before that there was an post here and on the acetf site also i think that you could be on the mailing list for awaitting news things to come in the new year. As it was said.


This is something different......





Carlitos  8)

if you read one of the emails i sent charles back in febuary of 2008 i asked him what he thought of betting 1 unit on black and 1 on 3rd colum he said it was resnable and fair but not good up until then he not have all the other info on his sight like he does now all the other pages were not there  on movement  and at the time i had no clue on movement i was just going by what he called safe betting and a clue that he gave about double edged bet but now i was thinking back to that bet i made he also said i was on the right road  i take that as a hint .so after the page on movement came into the picture i started pla.ying around with movement im using the same bet but the only differnce is i added another bet i will explaine now you guys all ready know this one its been done  many times i did not test it to the extent of a 100 spins 0n 30 session because  i was looking in the wrong places i guess . runs and changes thats what he said no win no lose these are the clue, try beting foLlowing the runs lets say black  your bet will be on black and 1st and second colum if its red switch to red and 1st and 3rd colum  thers a win 3  UNITS lose 3 on 9 numbers  break even on some numbers and losE 1 unit on on some numbers now blend that wiTH a lw stRatagie and maybe we have a winning bet thats it . ALL IT NEEDS  TO BE TESTED LET ME NO.

Didn't Charles mention that his bet could lose 6 times, than he would double his bank and still win back with a profit. How on this bet, moves with the table, you can lose six bets, after that double bank. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/system-that-wins-long-time-and-short-time/msg33959/#new (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/system-that-wins-long-time-and-short-time/msg33959/#new)

Where does charles say he doubles his bankroll??? I could not find it on his site. And more than 4000 profit in 250 spins with a br of 100, you must be the luckiest sob in the world. (pardon my french)

P.S.
3 days have past, still no email from mr. Hampshire

I mean this post by pighead.

Quote from: pighead on January 05, 2009, 12:48:07 PM
"May I explain by way of example? Our bet has shown on occasions to lose 6 in a row. So we need to multiply our session bank  3x6 = 18 (we round it up to 20) Therefore all the trustees always divide by 20. They have 20 bets of the same amount to use each session. In most sessions we never use more than 2 units from our bank before being in profit."


A CONSISTENT WINNING ROULETTE BET can lose 6 in row?  ;D ;D

he doesn't double his bank, hes saying that he splits his bank into 20 sessions of equal amounts. The bet has lost 6 times in a row on occasions, he splits his bank into 20 sessions, therefore he could lose 18 sessions in a row (3*6=18).

You're right, I was reading what I wanted to be there  ;D

He doesnt split his bank for 20 sessions, but his session bank, in 20 units.

Quote from: Ka2 on January 07, 2009, 11:00:28 AM
He doesn't split his bank for 20 sessions, but his session bank, in 20 units.

Yes sorry, I wasn't very clear in my explanation

np mate, just to make things clear  :)

Found something interesting on his site:

"There is an alternative to using a"Consistent Winning Bet" and that is to adopt the strategy as per page 7."

The strategy on page 7 is just pure money management. He talks about riding long streaks of luck betting big, winning big and sitting out on streaks of losing, betting small and losing small.

If this is true, we do not need to find "the winning bet". It doesn't matter what you bet, if your in a lucky streak you will win. By betting big in our winning streaks we take large amounts of the casinos money. By betting small when the casino is on a winning streak they can only take small amounts of our money.

Also we can set limits for example on how much we use each session, if the casino wins this from us we can walk away. The casino has no limit, if we win from the casino they have to pay and they have to keep paying, they can't walk away!

I believe if we can master this strategy we will not need the winning bet, the winning bet would make it easier but its not essential.

Luck is a nasty factor... I do not want to rely on it.

Quote from: CHARLES on January 06, 2009, 03:36:13 PM
if you read one of the emails i sent charles back in febuary of 2008 i asked him what he thought of betting 1 unit on black and 1 on 3rd colum he said it was resnable and fair but not good up until then he not have all the other info on his sight like he does now all the other pages were not there  on movement  and at the time i had no clue on movement i was just going by what he called safe betting and a clue that he gave about double edged bet but now i was thinking back to that bet i made he also said i was on the right road  i take that as a hint .so after the page on movement came into the picture i started pla.ying around with movement im using the same bet but the only differnce is i added another bet i will explaine now you guys all ready know this one its been done  many times i did not test it to the extent of a 100 spins 0n 30 session because  i was looking in the wrong places i guess . runs and changes thats what he said no win no lose these are the clue, try beting foLlowing the runs lets say black  your bet will be on black and 1st and second colum if its red switch to red and 1st and 3rd colum  thers a win 3  UNITS lose 3 on 9 numbers  break even on some numbers and losE 1 unit on on some numbers now blend that wiTH a lw stRatagie and maybe we have a winning bet thats it . ALL IT NEEDS  TO BE TESTED LET ME NO.

Hi,i'm newbie. When i read Charles website i hv same ideal like your:"foLlowing the runs lets say black  your bet will be on black and 1st and second colum if its red switch to red and 1st and 3rd colum  thers a win 3  UNITS lose 3 on 9 numbers  break even on some numbers and losE 1 unit on on some numbers now blend that wiTH a lw stRatagie and maybe we have a winning bet thats it ".But i don't know about Lw stratagie.If you or anyone hv it,pls send it to me sothat i can test this bet.
Brgds/f-rl-player

Quote from: JHM on January 07, 2009, 10:26:46 AM
I mean this post by pighead.

JHM, I am not sure what "consistent winning" to you.. Does six losing in a row  sound like a consistent winning to you?

At the first glance, it  sounds to me that you will win on every bet you place.

win 6 out of 5 / 12 out of 11 etc, thats consisting winning...

Consistent winning means to me, when most session ends positive without big losses.

JHM/Marven

I think that's what Charles exactly  meant by " If you can find a bet to trap more winners than losers against the odds paid, you have a winning bet"..

6 numbers/units for a bet and if you win, you get 30units to fund the next 3-4 spins, even you lose them all, you still win.If the bet is 12number's bet, one winner will cover 2 losers..in those two cases, we don't need to trap more winners..

For this consistent winning bet,  we need to trap more winners than losers. does it imply that's a bet more than 18 number at a time,

the question here is that, if we play a bet more than 18 numbers, it makes it no difference than playing playing black/red even bet..
PH




 

Quote from: CHARLES on January 06, 2009, 03:36:13 PM
if you read one of the emails i sent charles back in febuary of 2008 i asked him what he thought of betting 1 unit on black and 1 on 3rd colum he said it was resnable and fair but not good up until then he not have all the other info on his sight like he does now all the other pages were not there  on movement  and at the time i had no clue on movement i was just going by what he called safe betting and a clue that he gave about double edged bet but now i was thinking back to that bet i made he also said i was on the right road  i take that as a hint .so after the page on movement came into the picture i started pla.ying around with movement im using the same bet but the only differnce is i added another bet i will explaine now you guys all ready know this one its been done  many times i did not test it to the extent of a 100 spins 0n 30 session because  i was looking in the wrong places i guess . runs and changes thats what he said no win no lose these are the clue, try beting foLlowing the runs lets say black  your bet will be on black and 1st and second colum if its red switch to red and 1st and 3rd colum  thers a win 3  UNITS lose 3 on 9 numbers  break even on some numbers and losE 1 unit on on some numbers now blend that wiTH a lw stRatagie and maybe we have a winning bet thats it . ALL IT NEEDS  TO BE TESTED LET ME NO.

Yes I think you are definetly on the right track, however your only taking advantage of the runs, charles says that you need to take advantage of the runs AND the changes,

"I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster."

So If the last number was say 5, it is Red and Odd. So to take advantage of the runs we would need to bet Red and Odd.
But what if it changes? then we would need to cover Black and Even so based on the fact that 8 of the 10 black+even numbers are in the 1st+2nd Columns, we also bet the 1st+2nd Columns.

Now there are two black and even numbers left uncovered in the 3rd column BUT charles says:

"Trapping the runs, and trapping the changes quickly enough (not all)"

So we are trapping the runs by following the last (red + odd)
We are also trapping the changes by covering the opposites (black and even:1st+2nd Columns)
But "Not all" of the changes as there are two numbers uncovered.

I think this is the sort of thing, it needs refining but I think this is on the right track.

guys im am the only one here that had any contact with this guy he gave only one bet that he showed his movment concept and his past results concept on page 5   where the question was ask about movement  look at the wheel results and it will give results across the table  he used follow the last results on the streets  taking the last 5 results and going from there  he said that is not the bet that the acetf uses he show an  example of this bettin g 25 dollar units   and saying something like i was playing this while waitng for a friend and showing a profit  with in a hour play. he is playing inside bets i have no clue after a year and a half it is a waist of time but iam not on to give up gave my mind somthing to do while recovering from a mixed martial arts fight injury. so  what im saying here is following the last result    on the inside bets  why on the inside because i asked him that question on where am i betting inside or out side he said in side go and check the thread on his email to me  on page 6 of this thread .

who of you guys works with roulette extreme or any other testing software?

Charles wrote
on page 3:

Quote
Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters of the game.

on page 15:

Quote
People have been led to believe there are patterns formed from previous results. What they see is not patterns but simply little or longer series of certain numbers or sections etc. This does happen because with the absolute randomness of a genuine wheel there is no exact evenness.

So I think we can't use the past 5 results to determine where to bet next, every 37 number has equal chance to win every spin.
Maybe we can use the past results/movements to found the "bet".

ernesto

redhot so how do you think we should bet that and make a profit .

Quote from: CHARLES on January 07, 2009, 08:24:49 PM
redhot so how do you think we should bet that and make a profit .

Well after your post, it would seem I am wrong if charles uses inside bets. I think it is an even chance bet (ie 18 numbers) because of the way he talks about winning and losing. If he wins more bets than he loses and makes profit, then the losses must be equal to or less than the wins in terms of units. Therefore 18 numbers MAX.

Quick idea on the streets you mention, maybe follow the last 5 streets (trap the runs) but also bet on the one street that hasnt hit for the longest (trap the changes). Total of 6 streets, 18 numbers.

redhot personally i think he s betting 24 numbers because at one time when he had a page based on some testing he did to prove that rng was not a good to  play on   his test bet was 2 dozen and 2 colums and he showed on his test that 5 different online casinos and they all the same results as far as loss  and i did ask hime if that bet could be applied to live play and he said no beacuse its a form of a safe bet but i would lose in the long run so thats why  i say i think its more then 18 numbers   im testing murfs corner bets but im doing it different in stead of betting  the corners what im doing is if lets say number 1 comes i will bet on the lines instead of the corners that gives me2 more numbers   and in total have 24 numbers now if i lose the bet i follow it and do the same thing with the next 24 numbers  until theres a win but i found in 30 session it chop max 7 times  but then again its roulette anything can happen.so what im thinking is that he could be be looking for a run of 24 numbers  to chop say 3 or 4 times and then goes for that change bet ,he did say on page 7 that the house will have there win streaks  and waiting time is essential. and he did say that his bet on occasion has lost 6 in a row  18number bets chop way more then 24 number bets  sure a 24 number bet could lose 13 times in a row but over how many spins if we no that his bet loses 6 times then waitng 3 to 4 spins for that run to stop and then go in and bet for that change   test murfs corner bets but the way im doing it and see what you think . betting in side you mcan make up your own 24 number layout  .

Possibly mate, however betting 24 numbers would mean that a loss was worth double a win. In this case to profit flat betting you would need to win more than double the times that you lose.

Does anyone know this "system" nolinks://nolinks.guruofgambling.com/system6.htm (nolinks://nolinks.guruofgambling.com/system6.htm) because when I was googling some phrases of charles website. I came across this one...

Ka,

did you find exact quotes from Charles that site on Charles site?

The system probably don't work like any other. If you had a system that made consistent money, would you create a site to sell it?

I'm not planning on buying it, but maybe I thought someone allready owned it, and maybe it would point us in the right direction? Same with genuinewinner I think this guy is really close or has found the "bet" but no way I'm going to pay 2500 for it!!! Maybe if 20 of us come up with 125,- maybe I think about it  ;D

Hi there,

I also been trying to figure this puzzle  :-[

Just want to add that Charles said it is:

Something that should happen often, yet it doesn't.

I'm not giving up yet  ;)

Moch

@CHARLES

Could you please post all the emails that charles sent you?

Any extra hints may help out.

cheers

red hot there on page 9 on this thread

 he saying on page 10 testing your bet that a single bet on its own is a odds bet and it does not matter how you manipulated the bet its always an odds bet. then he says  a series of bets part of a planned bet .ok tell me if im missing something , if were placing a bet and were using more than 1 location on the layout is nt that a form of manpulating a bet  and also the bet that he calls the hamshire 5 bet  were he places 1 unit at a time on street  bets and follows the street as it changes to me is that a odds bet which by the way it failed miserably when i tested it . theres alot of contrdiction here i have been following this sight for a long time  and the guy keeps changing his words around way to often. a series of bets is that 1 2 or 3 spins what is a series and how many units are you betting to me thats all condrtiction.how many of you on this form try to manpulate a bet all of us  do that is what the game is about its a game of odds we can not forget this and hes trying to make us beilieve that it isnt  how do you beat a game when theres odds involved  it all goes back to probabilty.i watch a lot of people play roulette  and sure they just place bets all over the place some lose and some get lucky  then theres stratgie players you can sit and grind profits or hit and run  if your up  you beat the game . i dont think there is a magic bet   i think this guy maybe got screwed by all the sharks out there selling systems and also he does have a page on that  ,and came up with this to inform people about these sharks making you believe that  there is this bet that wins consitently. and in the end he will say jokes on you there   is no bet  its all b..s  .anyways cheers to all but im going to move on to other things.

Charles, thanks for your contribution to this threat  ;) Hope you will stick around on this forum  ;D






Carlitos  8)

I believe many here have emailed Charles. He doesn't reply to anyone. As far as I know. I'm starting to get my doubts for his page. One thing is for sure, he knows a lot on the game and on his site is a lot of valuable information (like money management). I'll still going to give this some thoughts.

Before we all give up, let me show you a bet that doesn't win and doesn't lose, long term

This bet was posted by Kelly if I recall in Gambler's Glen.

Wait 4 red's in a row, then bet black for 1spins. Progression 1,2,4 but we only bet 1 spin. If lose we increase, bet 2 next opportunity and then 4.
Same for black's.

Here are the results after 62.406 spins. All the casino spins I have tested, show the same result.
Of course this bet require long waiting times, but it's there. Could it be to soon to give up ?
I will also add the RX code.

Cheers
Moch

[attachimg=#1]


system "Kelly's EC 2 v1"
{
*************************************
*     System by
*         on the VIP Lounge
*       Roulette Extreme Code
*               by Moch
*************************************


}
method "main" begin
    // start up
    while starting new session begin
        Clear all records
        call "Init"
        call "WheelType"
        exit
    end

    // count spins
    add 1 record"TotalSpins" data

    // act on a loss
    if net < 0 begin
        add 1 record"Progression"data index
        if record"Progression"data index>record"Progression"data count begin
            put 1 record"Progression"data index
        end
    end

    // act on a win
    if net > 0 begin
        put 1 record"Progression"data index
        set flag "qualified" false
    end

    // act when not qualified
    if flag "qualified" false begin
        if black hit 4 in a row begin
            put 100% record"Progression"data red
        end
        if red hit 4 in a row begin
            put 100% record"Progression"data black
        end
    end

    // act when  qualified
    if flag "qualified" true begin
        set flag "qualified" false
    end
end

// Methods
method "Init" begin
    set list [1,2,4] record "Progression" data
    // defaults
    put 3 record"Spins"data
    put 0 record"TotalSpins"data
    // Input
    group begin
        display "System ..."
        display "by ..."
        input dropdown " Wheel Type ?
            1:= Single Zero
            2:= Double Zero " record"Wheel"data
    end
    // flags
    set flag "qualified" false
    // assign
end

method "WheelType" begin
    if record"Wheel"data=1 begin
        Load Single Wheel
    end
    else begin
        Load Double Wheel
    end
end


As far as I know, only Charles is throwing the towel in the ring (no hard feelings Charles, you did a good contribution).

Quote from: moch on January 08, 2009, 01:29:02 PM
Hi there,

I also been trying to figure this puzzle  :-[

Just want to add that Charles said it is:

Something that should happen often, yet it doesn't.

I'm not giving up yet  ;)

Moch

Hi Moch,

Where did Charles said "Something that should happen often, yet it doesn't." on his website?

I am trying to understand the context for the sentence..

thanks
PH

Hampshire did say that stuff about something that should happen more--read his pages.
Sorry to hear if some are ready to quit the hunt, but it's understandable.
I'm trying to learn a bit about "lateral thinking" (which he said they used a lot of to formulate his bet).
I'm here, still hopeful, though negativity does creep in at times.
What can I say---I'm trying to do as he says: effort and research.

Rest of you guys, hang in there...


NEW KEN

WE HAVE:

*a bet that consistently wins more than it loses.

*observation of "movements on the table" is key.

* "unconventional thinking" when looking at the moves/ looking at "unconventional moves".

* he came upon it looking for something that should happen more often---and realised that it didn't.

* he had a system that lost consistently, so played the opposite (with some tweaking)

* hints about a bet that does not show a profit but does not lose---and a bet within that bet--- a "clever" move

* making a list of all the moves and their possibilities ought to make something clear/obvious though not at first or second glance.

*beating the game , not the odds (??)


Did I leave much out?


NEW KEN 8)

Hey guys,

I didnt follow the subject so much, but I see you are looking for a consistent bet. Well the most consistent system I have found, is one I got somewhere on internet. I only have the code, so I have no clue how its played, but I think its been made by arteinvivo.

It flaws over and under zero most of the time:

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.freewebs.com%2Fmariodiazcruz%2Fconsistent%2520bet.JPG&hash=b2aec261e7c4dbd6ebe447a1798623ce5ba7868b)

Here is the code:

system "10869$ repeat strategy by arteinvivo"
{
nolinks://gambling.projectsydney.com/viewtopic.php?t=3929&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= (nolinks://gambling.projectsydney.com/viewtopic.php?t=3929&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

RX'd by bunjow
}
method "main"
    begin
    While Starting new Session
        begin
        Put 18 Record "MAX dist back to first occurance" Data
        Put 5 Record "MAX # of attempts per repeat" Data
        copy list [number 00, number 0, number 1, number 2, number 3,number 4,number 5,number 6,
        number 7,number 8,number 9,number 10,number 11,number 12,number 13,number 14,
        number 15,number 16,number 17,number 18,number 19,number 20,number 21,number 22,
        number 23,number 24,number 25,number 26,number 27,number 28,number 29,number 30,
        number 31,number 32,number 33,number 34,number 35,number 36] to record"numbers"layout
        set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"last spin this # appeared"data
        set list [0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0] record"how far back"data
        Put 0 Record "spin #" Data
        Put 0 Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data
        Put 0 Record "len to show" Data
        Put 0 Bankroll
        call "init"
        exit
        end

    Put 0 All Bets
    Put 100% Bankroll Record "running total profit/loss" Data
    Add 1 Record "spin #" Data
    Track last Number for 1 time Record "Last Number" Layout
    Track last Number for 35 times Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
    call "calculate how far back since first occurance"
    call "calculate the length in spins since the last repeated number"

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "spin #" Data < Record "MAX dist back to first occurance" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Net > 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Call "init"
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "len to show" Data = Record "how far back" Data And Record "how far back" Data > 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "Attempt #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "number of bets" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; call "place bet(s)"
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Set Flag "betting in progress" True
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "how far back" Data > 0 And Flag "betting in progress" True
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "Attempt #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; call "place bet(s)"
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; If Net < 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "Attempt #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "Attempt #" Data <= Record "MAX # of attempts per repeat" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; call "place bet(s)"
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; else
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "Attempt #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; exit
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end

&nbsp; &nbsp; end

method "init"
&nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; Clear Record "number(s) to bet" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; Set Flag "betting in progress" False
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "number of bets" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; end

method "calculate how far back since first occurance"
&nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "last spin this # appeared" Data index
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "how far back" Data index
&nbsp; &nbsp; Loop Until Record "numbers" Layout = Record "Last Number" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "last spin this # appeared" Data index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "how far back" Data index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "last spin this # appeared" Data = 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; else
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 100% Record "spin #" Data Record "calculate spins" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 100% Record "last spin this # appeared" Data Record "calculate spins" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "calculate spins" Data <= Record "MAX dist back to first occurance" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 100% Record "calculate spins" Data Record "how far back" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; else
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "how far back" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 100% Record "spin #" Data Record "last spin this # appeared" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; end

Method "calculate the length in spins since the last repeated number"
&nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "how far back" Data > 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data = 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 100% Record "spin #" Data Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; else
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "len to show" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Loop Until Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data = Record "spin #" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "last spin # that had a repeat" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "len to show" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; end

Method "place bet(s)"
&nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "running total profit/loss" Data < 0
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 200% Record "running total profit/loss" Data Record "running total profit/loss" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "temp" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; Loop Until Record "temp" Data = Record "number of bets" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; add 1 Record "temp" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 2% Record "running total profit/loss" Data Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Copy Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout Record "bet already placed" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout = Record "bet already placed" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 2% Record "running total profit/loss" Data Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; Set Max Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Total Inside Bets count < 1
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 0 Record "temp" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Loop Until Record "temp" Data = Record "number of bets" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; add 1 Record "temp" Data
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Put 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Copy Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout Record "bet already placed" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; If Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout = Record "bet already placed" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; begin
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Add 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subtract 1 Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; end
&nbsp; &nbsp; Set Max Record "Last 35 Numbers" Layout index
&nbsp; &nbsp; end

JD

Quote from: pighead on January 08, 2009, 04:58:24 PM
Hi Moch,

Where did Charles said "Something that should happen often, yet it doesn't." on his website?

I am trying to understand the context for the sentence..

thanks
PH

Hi PH

As Ken said above, it was from his website
I also know there are other bets that are balanced. They all look for extreme imbalances,
but few use them, cause of the long waiting periods involved.

Cheers
Moch

Guys,

I understand what he said and I agreed with him, like the even/odd, red/black numbers are not evenly layout on the table.

However, does it have any effect on the result of very spin??

I do not see any connection between them and also how to take a good advantage of them, do you?

"I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster."

I've been trying some different things, and I am having some consistent results with this:

I am playing 3 different lines at once, 18 numbers (equivalent to a 50/50 bet).  I am betting the last 2 lines and the farthest back line at once.  So three chips down at once equals one bet, covering half of the table.

Even if this is not "HIS" bet, it has been winning more than it is losing for me flat betting.  It seems to incorporate the "runs" (last 2 hot lines) and the changes (the farthest back line) at the same time.

It "seems" like a "safe" bet because it is a 50/50 bet on the surface, 50 percent chance you will win, 50 percent chance you will lose (forget the zero), but "may" win more often than it loses.  I'm gonna keep tweeking it.

ok i think i found something jhm i did not quit .this is very intersting i got this from one of vls downloads its called montecarlo ancedotes go to page 81 its called author system read and see what you think  the wording is simalar to charles hamshire  and im very sure you can play this kind of stratagie on the inside bets 3 lines making an even money bet or playing playing the even money bets like hamshire said if you can trap more winners then losers  against the odds you playing you have a winnig bet . this system talks about runs and changes  , i think we are all looking for a bet that takes care of runs and changes together thats not what hamshire said hes said you need both but he did not say together  let me no what you think.

I checked it out. It's simply following the last outcome, then betting against the last outcome, then following the last outcome, and so on...

Sorry Tino, but I don't think this would provide more winners than losers on the long run.

I also can't see any great similarity in the wording with Charles material other than the use of the word 'run'.

I simply believe Charles is a strategy player. :)
He's talking about a 'bet' (bet selection) that must fit into a 'formula' (strategy) to win consistently.
He said he has this habit of converting results into code (Lw registry) so he can 'spot' the 'runs' and 'changes' and 'trap' (situational play) more winnings than losses.

There is no secret. You can win consistently if you avoid blind systems and explosive progressions and play a safe and slow strategy instead. Aim at ending your session every time when you are in the plus, and don't push it when things are not going as you wish them to.

Sometimes I have some sessions where I keep going up and down, just to end with a +1 or +2 units profit. :)
I don't fight or push my luck for that day and that's how I avoid losing.

The whole concept of greed must become totally alien to you.



Regards to all.

Your friend,
Marven

By the way, there was something I wanted to mention:

Charles said somewhere in his website that the bet alone isn't enough, and that you need to have the 'professionalism' to use it.

What does that make you think? :)

Cheers,
Marven

Quote from: Ka2 on January 08, 2009, 11:27:50 AM
Does anyone know this "system" nolinks://nolinks.guruofgambling.com/system6.htm (nolinks://nolinks.guruofgambling.com/system6.htm)[/url] because when I was googling some phrases of charles website. I came across this one...

I Just uploaded a "system6", not sure if that is one...

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=283 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=283)

Yes it is the same pighead. :)

Thanks for sharing.

Death to selling systems! >:D

Regards,
Marven

Quote from: pighead on January 09, 2009, 02:31:34 AM
I Just uploaded a "system6", not sure if that is one...

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=283 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=283)

THANKS! Pighead! It is the one. Unfortunatly I dont see much merrit in this system, but thanks anyway!

I added one more step to the progression. (1,2,4,8)

Here is what it looks like, with the same spins. If we look at the graph red line we see it  hoovers around +25. This bet it's even more consistent if waiting 5 in a row, and will win most of the table spins.

Hampshire could have found an imbalance somewhere, probably with a short waiting time, it's my opinion.


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thanks marven for your reply but isnt the lw stratagie in a sense  following patterns  .

Quote from: moch on January 09, 2009, 11:46:10 AM
I added one more step to the progression. (1,2,4,8)

Here is what it looks like, with the same spins. If we look at the graph red line we see it  hoovers around +25. This bet it's even more consistent if waiting 5 in a row, and will win most of the table spins.

Hampshire could have found an imbalance somewhere, probably with a short waiting time, it's my opinion.


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Moch, what did you use to run the simulation??

PH

Quote from: pighead on January 09, 2009, 01:04:50 PM

Moch, what did you use to run the simulation??

PH

Roulette Extreme software. You can get it here : nolinks.uxsoftware.com (nolinks://nolinks.uxsoftware.com)

Moch

is it a freeware? Are you able to upload it to the forum and share with us??

thanks

Its not freeware, but if you look in the right places you can find it... Rapidshare / Piratebay anyone?

I want to test one of moves on the table happens more often than others.

Can anybody help if you already mastered the design of the system in Extreme,

Tino,

Great to see you are still looking for the bet and thank you for sharing the montecarlo ancedotes thought. Marven thanks for the reply on the montecarlo ancedotes also.

Tino my thoughts on the bet on page 81. My last two casino visits I have been playing a similar bet, a little different. I noticed that on all tables there were much more series(rrrbbbrrbbbbrrrr) than perfect randomness (rbrbrbrbrbr). I played a little different, found a table were a series was going on and after a change of color I placed 1 bet on the changed color. Example

r
r
r
b <- switch in color, bet black
b Won, no more bets until new switch
b
b
r <- new switch, bet red
r Won, no more bets until new switch

I don't say this IS the bet. But when you look around you in the casino at all tables. You'll probably see more series (short and long) than perfect randomness. The problem is to not get caught in perfect randomness. Because series can change at any moment to perfect randomness. An than you lose all bets.

when he talks about a code, that could be lw-code or maybe some other code like:

No.1 = low, odd, red, 1st doz., 1st col.
No.2 = low, even, black. 1st doz., 2nd col.
No.3 = low, odd, red, 1st doz., 3rd col.

etc.

He mentions that one has to know the layout, its anormalities and the moves on it. regarding this, would a such a code be of any use?

...And THAT, Hans, I think is what his codes were about. Here's something I saw on Hampshire's site, under "roulette tables , things you never knew"---was it added recently--can't recall seeing it before...

here it is:


"DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
IF YOU WISH TO "SEE" THINGS YOU WOULD OTHERWISE NEVER SEE:
LETS JUST TAKE ONE NUMBER ON THE TABLE, SAY 22.

DO YOU KNOW:
What colour it is...............?
What dozen it is in...........?
Is it odd or even..............?
What column is it in.........?
Is it high or low...............?
Can you find it fast..........?

THAT IS JUST ONE NUMBER....KNOW ALL 37 AND YOU WILL BE ON YOUR WAY TO BEING A REAL PROFESSIONAL.

IT'S EASIER THAN YOU THINK......JUST DO IT....PLEASE."

here's a simple "coding".   I note only that the bracketed nos share the same "codes"---but don't know where, if anywhere, I'll go with this...






no    clr  dz  suit   col   h/l 

1      R    1    O      1     H         (  1, 7   )

2      B    1    E      2     H         (2, 8   )

3      R    1    O      3     H         (   3, 9  )

4      B    1    E      1     H         (4, 10)

5      R    1    O      2     H

6      B    1    E      3     H

7      R    1    O      1     H

8      B    1     E     2     H

9      R     1    O     3      H

10    B     1    E     1      H

11    B     1    O     2     H

12    R     1    E     3     H

13    B     2    O    1     H

14    R    2     E    2     H

15    B    2    O     3     H

16    R    2    E     1    H

17    B    2    O     2    H

18    R    2    E     3    H






19   R     2   O      1    L

20   B     2   E      2    L

21   R     2   O     3    L

22   B     2    E     1    L 

23   R     2    O     2    L

24   B     2    E     3    L




25   R     3    O     1    L

26   B     3    E     2    L

27   R     3    O     3    L

28   B     3    E     1    L

29   B     3    O     2    L   (29, 35)

30   R     3    E     3    L   (30, 36)

31   B     3    O     1    L

32   R     3    E     2    L

33   B     3    O     3    L   

34   R     3    E     1    L

35   B     3    O     2    L

36   R     3    E     3    L


help!


NEW KEN

nice and fast work ken, thanks.  :)

hope this is not the "da vinci code"  ;D

maybe the next step could be to use actual numbers with this ...?

Thanks New Ken!

I tried to focus this common properties but no success. Everything is appear in this number pairs (red,black,1,2,3 col...), except the second dozen.

But what is this question at the end: "Can you find it fast..........?"
Easy to find every number on the table, because the numerical order. If he ask the number.

ernesto

Guys, wondering if Hampshire is hinting with that question: "can you find it fast...".

the example of no 22 can mean: if it plays, to follow its code: Bl, Even, col 1, dz 2, 19-36. If you know its general characteristics, you won't be slowed down trying to find its partner nos.

But first, some testing required to see if this idea has merit---and , boy, I am all tested out right now!


NEW KEN!

Ken,

Nice work. I have done a little test. Pick the last numbers, place bets on the same codes.

Spielbank Wiesbaden 08-01-09 32 spins

27   R     3    O     3    L   
36   R     3    E     3    L   +5
26   B     3    E     2    L   +2
4      B    1    E      1     H   -1
0   -5
22   B     2    E     1    L    
21   R     2   O     3    L   0
36   R     3    E     3    L   +2
35   B     3    O     2    L   0
33   B     3    O     3    L    +4
21   R     2   O     3    L   +2
25   R     3    O     1    L   +1
19   R     2   O      1    L   +4
0   -5
27   R     3    O     3    L   
13    B     2    O    1     H   -3
9      R     1    O     3      H   -1
14    R    2     E    2     H   -1
11    B     1    O     2     H   0
2      B    1    E      2     H    +5
33   B     3    O     3    L    -3
35   B     3    O     2    L   +4
21   R     2   O     3    L   -1
23   R     2    O     2    L   +4
9      R     1    O     3      H   +1
17    B    2    O     2    H   -1
13    B     2    O    1     H   +4
0   -5
26   B     3    E     2    L   
29   B     3    O     2    L   +5
28   B     3    E     1    L   +2
25   R     3    O     1    L   +2

Win +21

Some time recently, i did test following the last number's characteristics---started by testing to see how many times opposites play, and if profitable. Short test, and playing "similarities" seemed more promising...

new ken

Good stuff, JHM...

a key word: consistency... so let's see...

Maybe that's only the Hampshire 5 bet!  :thumbsup:

Charles said:

Quote
STOP LOOKING AT THE MATHS. IT TRULY IS THAT SIMPLE !

But I'm affraid that is too simple. :(

ernesto

I'm only afraid, if it doesn't work...

In the meantime... ;)

well, but i think, we've found one more part of the puzzle, which isn't too bad.  :)

Nice spirit, Hans.
My real fear is what if we find the whole damn thing, and spill it out for the whole damn casino world to see!! ;)

JHM, you with me...? ::)

Ken,

I'm definitely with you mate.

I'm tired right now. But I will do some more testing.

Quick test with 37 old Dublinbet spins:
Loss -31 unit

But what we can do with the few numbers which have same characteristics?
I think this is an important part too.

ernesto

Ken!

If you found, you don't go to the casino and make thousands of dollars!
You should sell it on ebay for 500 $  ;D

ernesto

Ernesto, what's that I detect, sarcasm...?


...or more...? ;)

AHH...it's an awesome pursuit, this thread is.

Would it be fair to those that made sincere effort to find this bet (assuming it exists, of course) to share it with those who mocked and ridiculed all the way, if indeed it is found...?

Just wondering.

NEW KEN

Nice work there Ken but I must stress that Charles has said we need to trap the runs AND the changes. It cannot be simply follow the last.

marven thanks for the response and your thouhts what you say makes alot of sense ,as far as charles being a stratagie player. but why would he be so fixed on this bet , and not following patterns,  if he uses a lw situation hes looking for a trigger to happen isnt that the same as looking at a pattern to happen, so what your saying is find a bet that you like and stratagie . his bet loses 6 in a row on occasion he said, could it be that he looks for a trend to end lets say 1 dozen comes in 4 times bets the other two  he did say there are 4 winning bets in the game maybe he figured out some bets that dont reapeat  to high  like even chances can reapeat 30 times  any ways those are my thoughts gizmtron once said that we should look for endings of trends i dont no if that makes sense  . cheers.

Hi Tino,

Quote from: CHARLES on January 09, 2009, 11:53:07 AM
thanks marven for your reply but isnt the lw stratagie in a sense  following patterns  .

It could be seen as spotting and following patterns. Spotting and following inconsistencies in the outcomes of the bet selection and taking advantage of them, of the 'swings', at a better than the odds rate.

Results come in the form of waves, back and forth, and as a strategy player you ought to jump in at certain situations and take advantage of the flow of randomness and step back when you're in the plus, because you know that you won't remain so if you keep yourself 'within' the flow, and randomness will sooner or later balance itself and take the money back if you do.

The essence of strategy play lies in not trying to take advantage of ALL randomness with all its waves (as opposed to what continuous systematic bettors do) only bits of it, certain situations which our humble human understanding tells us are to be taken advantage of. It could be patterns, winning streaks, losing streaks, etc.

Such 'predictions' do not always turn out to be correct of course, since even if we take those bits of randomness in which we jump in to bet, and put them together (forming our lifetime personal betting actuals) they still for randomness in themselves, and therein lies the challenge.

That is one of the things I liked about this game. It is the man challenging the uncomprehensible.

It might be a way of 'creating our own luck', but the aim is always to come out in the profit regardless of the negative edge embedded in the game.

What Charles means by beating the game not the odds is that you should imagine a perfectly fair game with no edge to neither the house nor the player, then find a way to win consistently and effectively from such zero-edge game.
Once you find such way, the actual odds would have been taken care of. I believe that this makes sense and that this statement does have merit.

Quote from: CHARLES on January 10, 2009, 03:02:49 AM
but why would he be so fixed on this bet , and not following patterns

I did notice that he says he relies on a mechanical bet that wins not every bet, but every session played.

To be honest I am skeptical about the existence of such easy/mechanical yet so effective and safe bet. I do not know of a way that guarantees winning every session as Charles claims, nor am I sure that such a thing exists or not.
I do however keep an open and researchful mind.

Cheers,
Marven

i did some manual testing, which turned out with a slight plus. but as i test manually, it takes an awful lot of time. maybe someone could write a code and test it with roulette extreme?

Quote from: CHARLES on January 10, 2009, 03:02:49 AM
marven thanks for the response and your thouhts what you say makes alot of sense ,as far as charles being a stratagie player. but why would he be so fixed on this bet , and not following patterns,  if he uses a lw situation hes looking for a trigger to happen isnt that the same as looking at a pattern to happen, so what your saying is find a bet that you like and stratagie . his bet loses 6 in a row on occasion he said, could it be that he looks for a trend to end lets say 1 dozen comes in 4 times bets the other two  he did say there are 4 winning bets in the game maybe he figured out some bets that dont reapeat  to high  like even chances can reapeat 30 times  any ways those are my thoughts gizmtron once said that we should look for endings of trends i dont no if that makes sense  . cheers.

Tino,

When Charles is walking through a casino. He had access to multiple tables. He can just walk around and watch which table is suitable for his bet. In that way he can play consistently.

As for ending trends. When a trend had ended you never know what comes up next.

I think its better to focus on one clue at a time, otherwise its gonna get to chaotic. Also I agree with newken we have to be careful who is reading this forum as well. Maybe we can get a password protected thread? That's why I didnt write down some things I've find out.

Also 2 more things...

I'm absolutly convinced the "bet" consist out of multiple spins (37-19) (37-13) (You must understand one important fact before you proceed. You will never find a roulette bet that will win every bet you place. You can find a bet that will win more bets or money than losing ones. So for example if you win 3 bets out of every 5 you place at even odds you are winning at a rate of one in five or two in ten. Therefore to win twenty x your bet you would need to plan a session of one hundred bets. Different odds mean a different calculation.)

Also he bets every spin. So no point in registering LW's or something. (our bet is "automatic". We know where to bet each and every spin)

So I say we all concentrate at one clue at a time. I'm still trying to define the "game"

Defining the game:

Because roulette is random it means that anything can happen and at anytime within the parameters  of the game

So when Charles is talking about the "game" I think he's is referring to these parameters

"parameters"? yes, easy. number 1 will always be RED / ODD / LOW / DOZEN I / COLUMN I / FIRST STREET / FIRST LINE BET etc. 1 will never be BLACK / EVEN / HIGH / etc...

Quote
Also he bets every spin. So no point in registering LW's or something.

I totally agree with you, because if you wait 5 red in a row the next spin can be red again, so why wait some specific trigger?
But if he bet every spin he have to bet everytime the same bet (or combinations of bets) because every number has same chance to win at every spin. He play his bet (or four bet) for years constantly? Nobody ask him why play (for example) red+odd+1.dozen+2.column at every spin...

My simple stupid example:
If the the table has 19 even and 17 odd number (but only Charles can recognise this) he play all the time the even bet because he can cover or trap more winner than looser. And he win small, but win.

Maybe I'm on wrong way if he calculate his next bet from the past results.

ernesto

Dont look for patterns, look at the "game" I'm currently looking for "what if's" in the game, still i dont know excactly what the game is, But i think I'm getting close, at least I found out some stuff that I never looked at before. And indeed you need the randomness, if there was no randomness, you would lose!

he does bet every spin until hes in profit

One page 7, he wrote:

QuoteWaiting Periods is the very small price you pay under the hidden factor system. The house will have its win streaks. On other occasions the player will be barley holding his own. This results in dull waiting periods. Being bored is not fun, but it is a lot better than being a loser.

In the questions and answers, he also wrote:

QuoteQ. I found a winning bet, but it is too boring. What do I do ?

A. Sounds like you are a "Gambler" and not a "Profit" person. I cannot help you. I have no interest in gambling or gamblers.

It seemed to me that he is not betting on every spin, but oh well.

Cheers,
Marven

READ. Page 7 is not his BET, but an alternative...

marven when he  posted that bet on the streets he was betting every spin i saw that , but his staments are confusing .

Yes page 7 is an alternative, it is just a money management strategy NOT the "consistent winning bet".

QuoteThat is why on other pages of my website you may see things that slightly contradict what you have just read. Do not let the difference confuse you.

You are right, guys, my mistake. :)

Regards,
Marven

im trying this bet i bet every spin on even  money h l follow the last low comes in i bet if it switches to h lets third dozen  i follow it if its a middle dozen i switch to h or l  flat bet only im trying fo 12 units.

Just watched a few spins at dublin and took the results to try and see the 'Movement' Charles talks about:
[table=,]
Result,Colour,Odd/Even,High/low,Dozen,Column
11,B,O,L,1,2
10,B,E,L,1,1
22,B,E,H,2,1
34,R,E,H,3,1
18,R,E,L,2,3
34,R,E,H,3,1
14,R,E,L,2,2
7,R,O,L,1,1
34,R,E,H,3,1
35,B,O,H,3,2
14,R,E,L,2,2
28,B,E,H,3,1
24,B,E,H,2,3
5,R,O,L,1,2
12,R,E,L,1,3
24,B,E,H,2,3
2,B,E,L,1,2
10,B,E,L,1,1
10,B,E,L,1,1
3,R,O,L,1,3
[/table]

Now just from that quick session it would seem that atleast one section always goes on a run on the next spin e.g black follows black or odd follows odd.

Only one spin, when number 5 came after 24, did all five of the sections change.

Charles talks about, "I discovered something about roulette that should happen more often...a lot more often, but did not!" Maybe it is something like this?

What do you think, can you see the 'Movements' in the results above?

Redhot,

Ended +5. Not bad. The result seems to go up and down.

Quote from: JHM on January 10, 2009, 03:16:13 PM
Redhot,

Ended +5. Not bad. The result seems to go up and down.

What, playing follow the last?

Quote from: HansHuckebein on January 10, 2009, 05:50:50 AM
i did some manual testing, which turned out with a slight plus. but as i test manually, it takes an awful lot of time. maybe someone could write a code and test it with roulette extreme?

Hi Hans,

I will do it. Explain the system, please

Moch,

Thanks for volunteering.  I'd like to see the resuls of this as well.

Best, Gator

hi moch,

thanks for helping out.

the system we're working on is quite simple. you bet on 5 even chances at the same time. you always follow the characteristics of the last number.

i.e. first number is 3
as 3 is low, red, odd, 1st doz., 3rd col. you place 1 unit on low, red, odd, 1st doz, 3rd col.

next number 22 is high, black, even, 2nd doz., 1 col. so you bet high, black, even, 2nd doz., 1 col.

and so on.

just flat betting, no progression. if 0 shows just take the number before 0 again.

that's about it.  8)

Quote from: redhot on January 10, 2009, 03:18:27 PM
What, playing follow the last?

Yes, went up to +6/7 than went down to -6/7 than recovered and ended +5

Charles is defenately reading our forum.

See this information on his page 11.

SPECIAL NOTICE FOR.. IDIOTS ONLY:

24 hours before...means 24hours BEFORE, in earth time?

REPEAT:  I DO NOT REPLY TO QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR BET

                I DO NOT REPLY TO QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR BETS

                BECAUSE SNEAKY PEOPLE TRY TO MISS-USE MY    REPLIES

I think hes aiming at Tino here for sharing his emails, in which he doesn't tell much. He gives more information on his page.

I hope everything about this guy is true, but I remain skeptical.  It all goes back to his cause.

It is suspect to say that your cause is that of 'educating or helping children', which is truly a worldwide and worthy cause, but then not want to maximize the number of people that can assist you with it.  Even if they didn't join you, but established their own philantropic efforts somewhere in the world it would be absolutely beneficial to society as a whole.

Forget the roulette part .... everything else about it doesn't seem to pass the 'common sense' test.

Just my personal opinion.  I hope I'm completely wrong.  Regardless, the topic has got us all thinking .... alot.

Gator

if he is directing it at me he has my email adress i would be happy to share my thoughts  its all gambling  .

Quote from: JHM on January 10, 2009, 04:43:42 PM
Charles is defenately reading our forum.

See this information on his page 11.

SPECIAL NOTICE FOR.. IDIOTS ONLY:

24 hours before...means 24hours BEFORE, in earth time?

REPEAT:&nbsp; I DO NOT REPLY TO QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR BET

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I DO NOT REPLY TO QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR BETS

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; BECAUSE SNEAKY PEOPLE TRY TO MISS-USE MY&nbsp; &nbsp; REPLIES

I think hes aiming at Tino here for sharing his emails, in which he doesn't tell much. He gives more information on his page.

QuoteI posted this on the 15th December
Hi Guys.

Well unless I am mistaken isn't caper61 the "Charles" from that website.

Lanky.

Well this is what I tried to say before to You guys.

I believe Caper61 is Charles from win3million.com.


nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg29838/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg29838/)

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg31132/#msg31132 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/how-to-find-a-consistent-winning-roulette-bet/msg31132/#msg31132)

Your Friend.

Lanky.

hi lanky you pobably dont remember me i talked to you on anothe forum   a long time ago and i had mention that this guy won 3  million a year playing roulette and i remember your words thats alot of money mate  about caper 61 i think your right  al the best tino

Quote from: HansHuckebein on January 10, 2009, 04:14:13 PM
hi moch,

thanks for helping out.

the system we're working on is quite simple. you bet on 5 even chances at the same time. you always follow the characteristics of the last number.

i.e. first number is 3
as 3 is low, red, odd, 1st doz., 3rd col. you place 1 unit on low, red, odd, 1st doz, 3rd col.

next number 22 is high, black, even, 2nd doz., 1 col. so you bet high, black, even, 2nd doz., 1 col.

and so on.

just flat betting, no progression. if 0 shows just take the number before 0 again.

that's about it.  8)

@HansHuckebein
I only know a few thinks about coding on RX but this is a very easy system so I code it.
The system fails as I expected but maybe we can see some movements?   

Quote from: zeus on January 10, 2009, 08:45:24 PM
@HansHuckebein
I only know a few thinks about coding on RX but this is a very easy system so I code it.
The system fails as I expected but maybe we can see some movements?   

Zeus,  I am still studying the roulette extreme. Can you please add progression below to your system:.

For all of  those even bets,  use progression 1,1,2,3,4 only when  winning, i,e,  add 1 more unit after the second win till the 5th. Restart the progression if after the 5th spins it still wins or till we lose.

PH



 

anybody tried to take advantage of the fact:
Red + Black = 18 numbers each....but ?


Red + Odd     =  10 numbers


Red + Even    = 8 numbers


Black + even  = 10 numbers


Black + Odd  = 8 numbers

i think there's some interesting thing!

Quote from: f-rl-player on January 11, 2009, 04:55:36 AM
anybody tried to take advantage of the fact:
Red + Black = 18 numbers each....but ?


Red + Odd     =  10 numbers


Red + Even    = 8 numbers


Black + even  = 10 numbers


Black + Odd  = 8 numbers

i think there's some interesting thing!

Yes!  That is what I am testing now!  There are 10 black/even numbers in total on the board and 10 red/odd numbers.  So I am only playing either black/even OR red/odd. 

What I am doing is waiting for 3 consecutive black/even numbers,... that is the trigger (it happens more often than you think).  When this happens, I bet on all remaining numbers on the board which equals 26 numbers.  As long as another black/even number or the zero does not come out a 4th time, you win +10 units.  The same can be applied for waiting for 3 consecutive red/odd numbers.

If a black/even number comes out a 4th consecutive time or the zero, you lose -26 units.  It will only take approx. 2.5 wins to make up for that one loss.  So far in my testing of real numbers I am experiencing a loss for every 5 wins on average, which gives us an advantage.

This essentially is trapping the bets, waiting for the right opportunity.

If anyone else wants to keep testing, please do.

zeus, thanks for testing.

you posted a dgt.file. which program do I need to open it?

Quote from: HansHuckebein on January 11, 2009, 06:28:23 AM
you posted a dgt.file. which program do I need to open it?

Roulette Xtreme. :)

Regards,
Marven

hey marven,

thanks for your hint.  :)

so i'll get the trial version and see what happens. ;D

Following the last outcome isn't it, so if the last outcome is 3, (red, odd, low, d1, c3) you will lose. I allready tested this with wiesbaden spins, and it doesnt work. Besides (with all due respect) but i'm getting a bit tired, of people trying all kind of system's, but not take in account all the clues, (4 bets in total anyone). That's why I say lets FOCUS on one thing at a time.....

Hi Ka2 mate,

Can you please show me where he says that he places 4 bets at once? Because from what I remember, he only said he KNOWS of 4 consistent winning bets, including his own, which he says is the best of them all.

Not that he places 4 bets on the table like you understood it.
Do correct me if I'm wrong though. :)

All the best.

Your friend,
Marven

it doesn't seem to lose all of the time. this is a also a wiesbaden session. i know, it's just one session. but it's a session I picked randomly.  :)

Hi Guys

In the the downloads roulette related part on page 5 there is a method called 18-10 method.
This method explains the basics on playing black\odd and red\even

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Regards
MAX

.......... can you place the link here Max?? I can not find it in the download area...  :o






Carlitos  8)

Carlitos----->nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=21 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=21)

Thanks Worm  :thumbsup:








Carlitos  8)

Anytime Carlitos :)

Lanky,

Your first link to the post, at the bottom stands this:

Hi I hope you don't mind me posting this info, I was reading your posts about this system you were talking about. Thanks

That doesn't seem a post of Charles.

His second post, are some posts directly copied from page 11 of the site.

But maybe you're right. He'd only make 2 posts in this topic since signing up.

Quote from: Marven on January 11, 2009, 07:03:01 AM
Hi Ka2 mate,

Can you please show me where he says that he places 4 bets at once? Because from what I remember, he only said he KNOWS of 4 consistent winning bets, including his own, which he says is the best of them all.

Not that he places 4 bets on the table like you understood it.
Do correct me if I'm wrong though. :)

All the best.

Your friend,
Marven

I said 4 bets in total, not all at once  :). So following the last result, would mean more than 4 bets, so obviously that's not charles his bet.  ;)

And like charles said, if you think you have a good formula, test it for 30 sessions, with about 100 spins each. If you win (almost) every session, then its consistent. Testing only 1 session, means absolutly nothing.

And please, for the last time, lets try to follow the clues and the facts. I think were going a bit for a wild goose chase here...

Quote from: pighead on January 11, 2009, 03:50:00 AM
Zeus,  I am still studying the roulette extreme. Can you please add progression below to your system:.

For all of  those even bets,  use progression 1,1,2,3,4 only when  winning, i,e,  add 1 more unit after the second win till the 5th. Restart the progression if after the 5th spins it still wins or till we lose.

PH



 

@PH
You are trying to beat the odds not the game as Charles says.
Anyway here is the code.
I hope you find something interesting.
At least you can learn some simple RX commands.

Quote from: CHARLES on January 07, 2009, 03:36:11 PM
guys im am the only one here that had any contact with this guy he gave only one bet that he showed his movment concept and his past results concept on page 5   where the question was ask about movement  look at the wheel results and it will give results across the table  he used follow the last results on the streets  taking the last 5 results and going from there  he said that is not the bet that the acetf uses he show an  example of this bettin g 25 dollar units   and saying something like i was playing this while waitng for a friend and showing a profit  with in a hour play. he is playing inside bets i have no clue after a year and a half it is a waist of time but iam not on to give up gave my mind somthing to do while recovering from a mixed martial arts fight injury. so  what im saying here is following the last result    on the inside bets  why on the inside because i asked him that question on where am i betting inside or out side he said in side go and check the thread on his email to me  on page 6 of this thread .

Guys, its a "constructed" inside bet, eg, covering certain numbers (I think 18 or less)

Its flat betting - NO PROGRESSION AT ALL

It doesn't win every spin, its been known to lose 6 in a row

It traps the "runs" AND the "changes" but "not all" the changes

Lets work with what we've got, like Ka2 says I think we're going off in the wrong direction, we need to focus on what we've got here, there's no point testing a system with a progression if we know charles' bet doesnt use one!

No disrespect guys, I'm glad evryones joining in here but lets keep on the right track.

redhot, was makes you so sure that is an inside bet? ???

Strange... why don't he use a progression, what do you think?
'cause if he has "bet" that gives him an advantage progressions DO work long term!

Also "its been known to lose 6" maximum, so it's stupid not to use progression. :o

Maybe you've got one more clue... you cannot use progression on this [series of] bet(s).

I personally believe this guy is bs'-ing you fellas, and I'm sure he is reading this forum...

Anyway, good luck! :thumbsup:

Quote from: HansHuckebein on January 11, 2009, 01:33:03 PM
redhot, was makes you so sure that is an inside bet? ???

Tino emailed charles asking where to bet inside or outside and charles replied inside.

Thank you Zeus for coding the system. I was not at the computer for a while.

I am testing another system that seems not to lose as well.

I was reading the Monte Carlo anecdotes. Interesting.
This is the author's system, page 78. It's good. I advise to read the article.
This system is ingenious. Traps the runs and the changes.

I have spotted a flaw, when a loss comes and the number of bets is odd and greater than 1 (i.e, 3) system usually fails here. I am testing and trying to solve this problem. May be by waiting 1 spin or by reversing the order of the bet at that moment. I.e if next bet would be for the jump, would bet for the run again. Will keep you posted.
I also will code an RX system for testing purposes.

System

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You wait until one colour appears, and then
commence playing first for a sequence of colour,
and then for a change of colour; in other words,
you play first for the run and then for the
intermittence. The result of this ingenious way
of staking is that it makes it difficult for them
to beat you.
For if there is a run on the colour, you win
every alternate bet, and consequently win one
unit every two coups. For example, if when
you go to the table Red appears, you first play
on the Red for the run, and then on the Black
for the intermittence. If it runs six times, the
stakes are as follows :
Red (no stake)
Red (play i for the Run and Win)
Red (play i for the Intermittence and Lose)
Red (play 2 for the Run and Win)
Red (play I for the Intermittence and Lose)
Red (play 2 for the Run and Win)
Total result of three wins and two losses : A win
of three units.
If, however, the table is intermittent it suits
you just as well, and the stakes are as follows :
81 G
Monte Carlo Anecdotes
Red (no stake)
Black (play i for the Run and Lose)
Red (play 2 for the Intermittence and Win)
Black (play i for the Run and Lose)
Red (play 2 for the Intermittence and Win)
Black (play i for the Run and Lose)
Red (play 2 for the Intermittence and Win)
You also win every alternate coup and can show
as total result three wins and three losses : A
win of three units.
If the table gives you what is known as
'coup de deux' :
Red (no stake)
Red (play i for the Run and Win)
Black (play i for the Intermittence and Win)
Black (play i for the Run and Win)
Red (play i for the Intermittence and Win)
Red (play i for the Run and Win)
You win every bet, and can show a result of one
unit per coup.
If the table gives you runs of three ('coup
de trois ') :
Red (no stake)
Red (play J f r the Run and Win)
Red (play r f r tne Intermittence and Lose)
Black (play 2 for the Run and Lose)
Black (play 3 for the Intermittence and Lose)
Black (play 6 for the Run and Win)
Red (play i for the Intermittence and Win)
Red (play x f r the Run and Win)
The net result is that you win three units for
seven coups played.
If the table gives you first four Red and
then four Black ('coup de quatre') the result
82
is much better ; for you win five units for seven
coups played.
The only combination that you have to be
afraid of is that you may land on to a ' coup de
deux ' at the wrong moment. You would then
lose every bet in succession, for example :
Red (no stake)
Red (play I for the Run and Win)
Red (play I for the Intermittence and Lose)
Black (play 2 for the Run and Lose)
Black (play 3 for the Intermittence and Lose)
Red (play 6 for the Run and Lose)
Or worse still if it commences with one Red :
Red (no stake)
Black (play i for the Run and Lose)
Black (play 2 for the Intermittence and Lose)
Red (play 3 for the Run and Lose)
Red (play 6 for the Intermittence and Lose)
In any case, however, the chances that the
player will happen to hit upon this combination
at the wrong moment seem fairly remote.
The author recommends the player to have
thirty-six pieces, which he will divide up into
three separate capitals of twelve pieces each. If
he lands on to an adverse '
coup de deux ' and
loses one capital, he must re-commence with
another capital of twelve ; only instead of continuing
to stake in the ordinary course, he should
commence staking on the same chance, on
which he has just lost his stake of six pieces.
83
Monte Carlo Anecdotes
The result of this will be that if the runs of two
continue, he will be on them in the right place,
and will commence winning every coup. For
example :
Red (no stake)
Black (play I for the Run and Lose)
Black (play 2 for the Intermittence and Lose)
Red (play 3 for the Run and Lose)
Red (play 6 for the Intermittence and Lose)
Black (play I for Intermittence (not Run) and
Win)
Black (play i for the Run and Win)
Red (play I for the Intermittence and Win)
Red (play I for the Run and Win)
The three capitals should be kept in one
pocket, and all winnings stowed away either in
another pocket, or in a small bag kept for the
purpose.
The player should leave the table if at any
time he is a net winner of ten units. If not, he
should continue until all his three capitals are
exhausted, when as a rule it will be found that
he has at any rate a small balance to the good.
The three capitals will usually afford him at
least an hour's play.

HI Zeus,

thank you for the code and effort.. I just tried it and get mixed results..

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@PH
You are trying to beat the odds not the game as Charles says.

I disagree with this one.. I think it is the other way around: it is against the odds if we are looking for a a flat bet keep winning in long run.

If Charles need to qualify a table before placing his bet, it seems to me his bet won't work in long run and certain conditions.

PH

Guys,

By reading the webpage below:

QuoteTaking advantage of the randomness is the only way you can beat roulette. Look at the game...not the maths.
A winning bet takes care of the maths automatically

There is a way to take advantage of randomness within roulette. When I found it over fourteen years ago I did not realise that that is what I had actually done. I had arrived there from a different direction. I am much wiser now.

I had found my bet as I have mentioned before, from the movements on the table (not the wheel) I did not have enough knowledge at the time to realise I was using the randomness to full effect.

There lies the greatest clue I can give you. I had by default found the answer to randomness by finding a bet that was able to use the "Runs" and the "Changes" to advantage. You need both. One without the other is a recipe for disaster.

Betting in any game where randomness governs, any fixity is guaranteed unprofitable. Roulette is truly random. Do not be fooled by "reading" past results and believing you have spotted a pattern you can rely on.

Randomness throws up some very funny results sometimes. If for instance, you won 10 points on 31 occasions and lost 10 points only 1 in 31 sessions this would be a winner.

BUT...if an idiot was to put ALL his winnings on that one losing session.....???     Now you know why you must have a winning bet AND the professionalism to handle it.

Another thought here:

in order to take a advantage of randomness, what we can do is to randomly pick 4 numbers out of 37..we all know that is a well-known "hit and run" strategy and we will win 8/10 spins for sure  mostly..what are they If we pick 4 numbers based on the moves on the table.

PH

Just saw Charles closed the job application. Do we have a winner in our forum? ::)

PH

Ph,

What do you mean by his application?

Quote from: JHM on January 11, 2009, 07:56:12 PM
Ph,

What do you mean by his application?

Mate, he meant the job offer he posted in his website.

Quote from: mistarlupo on January 11, 2009, 01:34:27 PM
Strange... why don't he use a progression, what do you think?
'cause if he has "bet" that gives him an advantage progressions DO work long term!

Also "its been known to lose 6" maximum, so it's stupid not to use progression. :o

There could be a reason. Such as:
He's flat betting with big money, as big as the table limits allow, and thus he wouldn't use a progression for obvious reasons.

Personally, if I had such a bet that wins flat-betting, I would still NEVER use a progression, and flat bet with high stakes instead. ;)
Stupid or not, I believe that would be a smarter and safer move.

Regards,
Marven

Sorry guys.I meant the job application..

moch,

I've read this many times and have tried it out.  It's ok, but that's about it.  You lose alot with it.  I'd be very interested in your modifications after your tests.

Thanks, Gator

WOW, you guys are incredible. I just got back to this site since over the weekend, and I can see and feel the effort made...


Concerning the suggestion I made about following the "code" of the last number spun (that you people so kindly considered investigating!)...

REDHOT said:

"Only one spin, when number 5 came after 24, did all five of the sections change.

Charles talks about, "I discovered something about roulette that should happen more often...a lot more often, but did not!" Maybe it is something like this?

What do you think, can you see the 'Movements' in the results above?"

May be worth exploring, hmmm?

( HEY, AND IF OL' CHARLES HAMPSHIRE HIMSELF IS LOOKIN' ON...MAN, YOU OWE ME SOME SLEEP, I TELL YOU...!)

NEW KEN!!

Now, when Charles formulated his bet after "discovering something that should happen more often but did not", he " did some tweaking" and---

---decided on the time and session needed.

So, maybe that too should be looked at a bit closer...There's a time and session, perhaps, needed for a profit??

NEW KEN

From charles original site of oct 2007:

"Having said that perhaps I had better explain the fact more fully about my bet never losing. Individual bets during a session of bets do lose. I play and bet to a formula for a set session each time. So it would be correct to say that I never have or would expect to lose money playing a session. My sessions are approx.2 hours duration. I always finish with double win. NEVER on a losing bet."

A sessions lasts approx. 2 hours

hmm....

That could vary from 76 to 110 spins approx. :)

Regards,
Marven

"I always finish with double win. NEVER on a losing bet."

This should tell us that he COULD go up and down during a session. The trick is to quit when up and never when down.

Quote from: New Ken on January 12, 2009, 05:31:13 PMHEY, AND IF OL' CHARLES HAMPSHIRE HIMSELF IS LOOKIN' ON...MAN, YOU OWE ME SOME SLEEP, I TELL YOU...!)

Hahahah you cracked me up New Ken. ;D

Regards,
Marven

QuoteTino emailed charles asking where to bet inside or outside and charles replied inside.

Now that amazed me.

What happened to betting 12 and winning 8=20 return , or betting 15 and winning 10=25 return.

How can that be done betting inside .??

Lanky.

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The trick is to quit when up and never when down.

If it is a consistent winning bet he don't need to quit when up, in the next 50-100-200 spins he can reach higher up and so on, because it win more than loose.
Maybe quit when he reach his goal.

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I always finish with double win.

Finish with double win? Two wins in a row? Or Double bankroll?

ernesto

Hi Ernesto. :)

Quote from: ernesto on January 13, 2009, 05:47:55 AM
If it is a consistent winning bet he don't need to quit when up, in the next 50-100-200 spins he can reach higher up and so on, because it win more than lose.

From what he said, he could go down at times. BUT, he always wins in the end of the session.

Quote from: ernesto on January 13, 2009, 05:47:55 AM
Finish with double win? Two wins in a row? Or Double bankroll?

In his website, he quite clearly states that he would for example aim for winning 12 units, and (if he runs into a bad streak) never quit without at least 3 units in the plus, or in the case of his bet, 2 units in the plus.

I shall quote his words as evidence:

QuoteIf we were going for say a 12 point profit hit and after 7 or 8 ahead we hit a bad sequence, we would not go below 3 points win. We quit at 3 points win.

Quote...you must finish your session with at least 2 consecutive wins. Never on a losing bet.
The difference is a small fortune. I won't do the maths for you...do it yourself

Regards,
Marven

Thanks Marven this explanation!

ernesto

could it mean that something should happen more often but it doesnt to quote him, mean that every number should come out every   37 spins but it doesnt.just a thought.

Quote from: CHARLES on January 13, 2009, 01:28:07 PM
could it mean that something should happen more often but it doesn't to quote him, mean that every number should come out every   37 spins but it doesn't.just a thought.

Thats what I was thinking too.

Guys!

I think this page about how we can test our bet is very important too.

On page 10.

Quote
TESTING YOUR BET ?

Lets assume you have engineered a bet you think is worth testing further. Testing is a very important act you need to do before wasting a single penny betting.

As many of you will know, you can get fantastic results with some tests only to find flaws later. Testing is not for the weak, it can be soul destroying. Nevertheless if you wish to be successful you must have a bet that is truly reliable over long periods.

I have always, and still do advocate at least 30 sessions of planned exact betting to "PROVE" a bet.

IE. Forget about "Hit and run" or any stop points. Forget about the stop near the end with 2 consecutive wins. You should judge the performance over say exactly 100 spins for each of the 30 sessions.

Test to the last number. This will give you a genuine average.

I would accept that if 29 of those gave me a decent profit return and that only one lost less that 15% of my playing bank, I would have a consistent bet.

You must set your own standards, but beware the lower your standard is nearer to gambling.! Be safe, Be critical

Now and only now at this stage can you look at the professional ways to "Enhance" the already built-in profit of your bet. There is much info. on that throughout this site.

THIS IS THE CORRECT WAY....DO NOT DO IT ANY OTHER WAY

ernesto

good posts, guys---and Tino's idea above about the 37/38 number thing is very interesting. I always think Hampshire gave us a good clue when he spoke about "something in the game that should happen more often but does not", from which he formulated his bet.

Of course, most of us are aware that on average 24/25 numbers of the 38 play every 38 spins.
It's pretty constant, one of the few things in the game you can rely upon, and I've tried all sorts of things to take advantage of the fact---to no avail, so far.

Only system I've seen do it, and which still remains a possible winning system to my mind is "raindrops"--- found on Turbo's site.

Good thinking, guys.

New Ken!

Tino, if every number should come out every 37 spins would it then be random?? As he says on his website, you need to take advantage of the randomness.




Carlitos  8)

Quote from: Carlitos on January 13, 2009, 05:07:20 PM
Tino, if every number should come out every 37 spins would it then be random?? As he says on his website, you need to take advantage of the randomness.




Carlitos  8)

Surely the fact that it DOESN'T do whats expected, makes it random.

Ah, yes, but what is expected?

what does he mean better then the odd rate .

Quote from: New Ken on January 13, 2009, 04:55:18 PM
good posts, guys---and Tino's idea above about the 37/38 number thing is very interesting. I always think Hampshire gave us a good clue when he spoke about "something in the game that should happen more often but does not", from which he formulated his bet.

Of course, most of us are aware that on average 24/25 numbers of the 38 play every 38 spins.
It's pretty constant, one of the few things in the game you can rely upon, and I've tried all sorts of things to take advantage of the fact---to no avail, so far.

Only system I've seen do it, and which still remains a possible winning system to my mind is "raindrops"--- found on Turbo's site.

Good thinking, guys.

New Ken!

the raindrop system makes perfect sense..bet on the majority of the sleeping # and also repeaters..

Not sure if it can pass charles's test in 30 sessions. I am giving it a try..

Ph

pig head let me no hpw you make out

Quote from: CHARLES on January 14, 2009, 01:34:30 AM
pig head let me no hpw you make out

Hahahahahah LMAO ;D

Sorry dear Tino I couldn't help it.

We say "let me know how you do". :)
How he 'makes out' might not be exactly what you wanna know. ;D

Quote from: CHARLES on January 14, 2009, 12:33:59 AM
what does he mean better then the odd rate .

It means a winning rate that overcomes the odds embedded by the house to their favor. :)

Cheers mate!
Marven

marven do you believe that this guy won this kind of money ask your self this question if you were a millionare would you be wasting your time creating a web sight  about this bet that won millions on roulette  casinos have been around along time its not like they want to be peolpes friends so im not sure what this guy means or his intentions  he does have alot of good points but nothing that is not on this forum that is new .but if i did win millions on roulette i would wright a book on it  ,and what would i care now im retired who gives a shit about casinos there the biggest scum of the earth .that is the question .anyways i will still keep working on this magical bet .cheers

Tino,

I hear ya mate.

If you want my personal opinion on this, you will find it in my first post in the first page of this thread. ;)

Is he for real?
Maybe, maybe not. It's as simple as that. I don't spend the day thinking about it.

Will his website make people (especially roulette players) think in a good, productive, maybe new direction?
Yes, I believe so. :)

All the best,
Marven

Did anyone do more testing concerning to the bet we found in page 26?

I just did another test and after 100 spins ended +30.

I really don't believe a word that he's born in a very rich family and known as a playboy. Comon....a normal kid from a rich family who decide to become a Vegas play boy, sure. But like Marven says, we change our look and thinking. That's good.

Charles has a new offer:
nolinks://win3million.com/WELCOME_TO_2009.html (nolinks://win3million.com/WELCOME_TO_2009.html)


REWARD

$3,000.00 US. (Three Thousand) Reward will be paid for the best help offered.

May I explain. As the more intelligent will know, this website does attract many people, but far too many are plain dreamers or looking to make a fortune without any money or effort. There are also the con-men system sellers hoping to use something to con even more idiots.

Many of course do not read correctly and fail to understand the reason and purpose of the website. Many ask me questions that are answered on the pages.! Most cannot put the "Cocktail" of clues together. Many do not want to learn.

There are of course quite a few successes and I am always delighted to hear of more. I am disappointed there are not more. I can only assume that it is my fault, because I am not reaching more of the people who would truly benefit. Perhaps I am drawing too many idiot gamblers.

Therefore especially with the ACETF offer coming soon....I would like to see more quality people come to this site. By that I mean people who are educated enough to understand real facts from fiction. Decent, caring people who would genuinely like to change their lives. People who are prepared to make a little effort in this direction. Competent and Responsible people

HOW DO I DO IT ?  Or HOW CAN YOU HELP ?

I know there are great people out there who are prepared to make their dreams come true.(not perpetual dreamers) I want to reach them.The genuine person who works hard. I want them to have a real chance of creating a future.

That's it. The best help I receive in any form whatsoever to reach the correct audience will be paid the reward in full. In the event of there being two equal helpers qualifying then I will be prepared to pay both parties the full $3,000.00. I will give some smaller rewards to those who have tried hard. This of course is at my discretion.

I will keep the final date open, but will try and pay the reward as soon as any help is fully proved. This is my personal offer and I would like to meet the winner/s in person if possible.

Charles

charles@win3million.com
Subject Line:  Help

That's actually a pretty good idea!

He knows that there are people out there who spent long time trying to find something...
And now he'll get all that effort for free! Dirty old b... :D

Hey, Charles Hampshire, how about my idea? Deserve a penny, no?
You want me to email my bank details for the transaction? Just ask...

Regards,
m

Hahahaha.... i was thinking the same thing Mistarlupo  ::)






Carlitos  8)

Hi Mistarlupo,

I've always been skeptical, but I have to admit I can't assume that the man is lying. I just can't see a motive/reason for him to make a scam.

If this is a scam, then it's a scam for what? ???

What would he gain from having someone suggest a good way to make his words reach the people he says he wants to reach (i.e. genuine roulette players)?

What would he gain from spreading his website? He isn't selling anything (he wiped the floor with system sellers). He isn't promoting or putting affiliate links to anything (he also wiped the floor with online casinos). So?

Help me answer the above Mistarlupo and I'll agree with you and consider him a scammer. Meanwhile, I would prefer to follow commonsense and remain open to all possibilities (including his being honest). :)

Cheers,
Marven

REGARDING THE VALIDITY OF HAMPSHIRE AND/OR HIS BET:

Personally, I 've only drawn inspiration from his statements. I  was beginning, finally, to think that finding a workable winning bet or system was a pipe dream, a foolish pursuit.
Correct me if I 'm wrong, but I  believe JHM first posted that "winning bet page" on a thread I  had started called "The guy who has a winning system" or something like that. If he did post it before, I  certainly didn't see it until then.

JHM,

Here are 500 spins using the bet on page 26 ..... :-[

[table=,]
Number,R/B,Doz,E/O,Col,H/L,Formula =>,R/B,Doz,E/O,Col,H/L,Spin Sum,Running Total
24,2,2,1,3,2,,,,,,,,
24,2,2,1,3,2,,1,2,1,2,1,7,7
29,2,3,2,2,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,6
25,1,3,2,1,2,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,8
1,1,1,2,1,1,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,10
10,2,1,1,1,1,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,13
1,1,1,2,1,1,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,16
22,2,2,1,1,2,,-1,-1,-1,2,-1,-2,14
7,1,1,2,1,1,,-1,-1,-1,2,-1,-2,12
2,2,1,1,2,1,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,12
28,2,3,1,1,2,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,11
17,2,2,2,2,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,8
9,1,1,2,3,1,,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,7
14,1,2,1,2,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,6
11,2,1,2,2,1,,-1,-1,-1,2,1,0,6
19,1,2,2,1,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,3
6,2,1,1,3,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-2
1,1,1,2,1,1,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-2
13,2,2,2,1,1,,-1,-1,1,2,1,2,0
26,2,3,1,2,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,-3
18,1,2,1,3,1,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-6
37,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-11
3,1,1,2,3,1,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-11
14,1,2,1,2,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-12
15,2,2,2,3,1,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-12
37,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-17
36,1,3,1,3,2,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-17
37,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-22
8,2,1,1,2,1,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-22
20,2,2,1,2,2,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-20
15,2,2,2,3,1,,1,2,-1,-1,-1,0,-20
16,1,2,1,1,1,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-20
22,2,2,1,1,2,,-1,2,1,2,-1,3,-17
17,2,2,2,2,1,,1,2,-1,-1,-1,0,-17
23,1,2,2,2,2,,-1,2,1,2,-1,3,-14
6,2,1,1,3,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-19
18,1,2,1,3,1,,-1,-1,1,2,1,2,-17
17,2,2,2,2,1,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-17
33,2,3,2,3,2,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-18
25,1,3,2,1,2,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,-16
26,2,3,1,2,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-16
23,1,2,2,2,2,,-1,-1,-1,2,1,0,-16
37,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-21
3,1,1,2,3,1,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-21
31,2,3,2,1,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-24
27,1,3,2,3,2,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,-22
34,1,3,1,1,2,,1,2,-1,-1,1,2,-20
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18,1,2,1,3,1,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-130
30,1,3,1,3,2,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-128
35,2,3,2,2,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-128
34,1,3,1,1,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-128
19,1,2,2,1,2,,1,-1,-1,2,1,2,-126
10,2,1,1,1,1,,-1,-1,-1,2,-1,-2,-128
21,1,2,2,3,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-133
31,2,3,2,1,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,-134
14,1,2,1,2,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-139
18,1,2,1,3,1,,1,2,1,-1,1,4,-135
29,2,3,2,2,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-140
25,1,3,2,1,2,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,-138
6,2,1,1,3,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-143
3,1,1,2,3,1,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,-140
37,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-145
9,1,1,2,3,1,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-145
30,1,3,1,3,2,,1,-1,-1,2,-1,0,-145
22,2,2,1,1,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,-146
11,2,1,2,2,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,-149
9,1,1,2,3,1,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,-147
21,1,2,2,3,2,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-145
32,1,3,1,2,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-146
12,1,1,1,3,1,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-147
37,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-152
20,2,2,1,2,2,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-152
13,2,2,2,1,1,,1,2,-1,-1,-1,0,-152
7,1,1,2,1,1,,-1,-1,1,2,1,2,-150
4,2,1,1,1,1,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,-147
21,1,2,2,3,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-152
26,2,3,1,2,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,1,-3,-155
19,1,2,2,1,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,1,-3,-158
2,2,1,1,2,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-163
8,2,1,1,2,1,,1,2,1,2,1,7,-156
28,2,3,1,1,2,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-157
32,1,3,1,2,2,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,-155
33,2,3,2,3,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-155
6,2,1,1,3,1,,1,-1,-1,2,-1,0,-155
26,2,3,1,2,2,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-156
19,1,2,2,1,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,1,-3,-159
34,1,3,1,1,2,,1,-1,-1,2,1,2,-157
25,1,3,2,1,2,,1,2,-1,2,1,5,-152
16,1,2,1,1,1,,1,-1,-1,2,-1,0,-152
12,1,1,1,3,1,,1,-1,1,-1,1,1,-151
23,1,2,2,2,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,-154
12,1,1,1,3,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,-157
30,1,3,1,3,2,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-155
12,1,1,1,3,1,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-153
35,2,3,2,2,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-158
38,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-163
13,2,2,2,1,1,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-163
36,1,3,1,3,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-168
14,1,2,1,2,1,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-169
24,2,2,1,3,2,,-1,2,1,-1,-1,0,-169
38,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-174
27,1,3,2,3,2,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-174
11,2,1,2,2,1,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-177
1,1,1,2,1,1,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,-175
35,2,3,2,2,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-178
12,1,1,1,3,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-183
17,2,2,2,2,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,1,-3,-186
30,1,3,1,3,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-191
20,2,2,1,2,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,-192
31,2,3,2,1,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-193
10,2,1,1,1,1,,1,-1,-1,2,-1,0,-193
31,2,3,2,1,2,,1,-1,-1,2,-1,0,-193
18,1,2,1,3,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-198
11,2,1,2,2,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,1,-3,-201
9,1,1,2,3,1,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,-199
5,1,1,2,2,1,,1,2,1,-1,1,4,-195
37,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-200
1,1,1,2,1,1,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-200
23,1,2,2,2,2,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-201
22,2,2,1,1,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-201
21,1,2,2,3,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-201
31,2,3,2,1,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,-202
3,1,1,2,3,1,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-205
6,2,1,1,3,1,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,-202
17,2,2,2,2,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-203
23,1,2,2,2,2,,-1,2,1,2,-1,3,-200
32,1,3,1,2,2,,1,-1,-1,2,1,2,-198
38,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-203
25,1,3,2,1,2,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-203
7,1,1,2,1,1,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-201
7,1,1,2,1,1,,1,2,1,2,1,7,-194
11,2,1,2,2,1,,-1,2,1,-1,1,2,-192
34,1,3,1,1,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-197
20,2,2,1,2,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,-198
35,2,3,2,2,2,,1,-1,-1,2,1,2,-196
34,1,3,1,1,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-196
31,2,3,2,1,2,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,-193
25,1,3,2,1,2,,-1,2,1,2,1,5,-188
11,2,1,2,2,1,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-191
8,2,1,1,2,1,,1,2,-1,2,1,5,-186
31,2,3,2,1,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,-189
17,2,2,2,2,1,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-190
23,1,2,2,2,2,,-1,2,1,2,-1,3,-187
18,1,2,1,3,1,,1,2,-1,-1,-1,0,-187
31,2,3,2,1,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-192
4,2,1,1,1,1,,1,-1,-1,2,-1,0,-192
30,1,3,1,3,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-195
36,1,3,1,3,2,,1,2,1,2,1,7,-188
35,2,3,2,2,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-188
8,2,1,1,2,1,,1,-1,-1,2,-1,0,-188
8,2,1,1,2,1,,1,2,1,2,1,7,-181
22,2,2,1,1,2,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-182
13,2,2,2,1,1,,1,2,-1,2,-1,3,-179
20,2,2,1,2,2,,1,2,-1,-1,-1,0,-179
8,2,1,1,2,1,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-177
5,1,1,2,2,1,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,-174
7,1,1,2,1,1,,1,2,1,-1,1,4,-170
10,2,1,1,1,1,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,-167
15,2,2,2,3,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-168
4,2,1,1,1,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-169
30,1,3,1,3,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-172
19,1,2,2,1,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-173
21,1,2,2,3,2,,1,2,1,-1,1,4,-169
14,1,2,1,2,1,,1,2,-1,-1,-1,0,-169
26,2,3,1,2,2,,-1,-1,1,2,-1,0,-169
25,1,3,2,1,2,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-169
10,2,1,1,1,1,,-1,-1,-1,2,-1,-2,-171
16,1,2,1,1,1,,-1,-1,1,2,1,2,-169
21,1,2,2,3,2,,1,2,-1,-1,-1,0,-169
38,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-174
19,1,2,2,1,2,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-174
3,1,1,2,3,1,,1,-1,1,-1,-1,-1,-175
20,2,2,1,2,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-180
7,1,1,2,1,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-185
8,2,1,1,2,1,,-1,2,-1,-1,1,0,-185
20,2,2,1,2,2,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-183
26,2,3,1,2,2,,1,-1,1,2,1,4,-179
9,1,1,2,3,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-184
22,2,2,1,1,2,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-189
9,1,1,2,3,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-194
1,1,1,2,1,1,,1,2,1,-1,1,4,-190
30,1,3,1,3,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,-193
1,1,1,2,1,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,-196
35,2,3,2,2,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-199
5,1,1,2,2,1,,-1,-1,1,2,-1,0,-199
16,1,2,1,1,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-200
16,1,2,1,1,1,,1,2,1,2,1,7,-193
3,1,1,2,3,1,,1,-1,-1,-1,1,-1,-194
24,2,2,1,3,2,,-1,-1,-1,2,-1,-2,-196
20,2,2,1,2,2,,1,2,1,-1,1,4,-192
12,1,1,1,3,1,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-195
17,2,2,2,2,1,,-1,-1,-1,-1,1,-3,-198
27,1,3,2,3,2,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-201
13,2,2,2,1,1,,-1,-1,1,-1,-1,-3,-204
19,1,2,2,1,2,,-1,2,1,2,-1,3,-201
37,0,0,0,0,0,,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-5,-206
34,1,3,1,1,2,,0,0,0,0,0,0,-206
31,2,3,2,1,2,,-1,2,-1,2,1,3,-203
31,2,3,2,1,2,,1,2,1,2,1,7,-196
10,2,1,1,1,1,,1,-1,-1,2,-1,0,-196
22,2,2,1,1,2,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-194
4,2,1,1,1,1,,1,-1,1,2,-1,2,-192
25,1,3,2,1,2,,-1,-1,-1,2,-1,-2,-194
13,2,2,2,1,1,,-1,-1,1,2,-1,0,-194
26,2,3,1,2,2,,1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-3,-197
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