Hi to you all,
On Roulette Forum.net there is a system by Simon which uses 2 dozens (dont think it has a name??) which is very good apart from the BIG progression it uses (in my opinion) which goes...1,3,9,27,ect on each dozen which using 5 unit chips at the the 4th step is 270! if i had a loss with that would i'd surley end up [smiley=1/banghead.gif] ..and i have in my tests seen 5 L's in a row :( probaly this would take some recovery??!
Now the rules of the system are simple enough... wait till you have two seperate dozens and bet the first of the two will not show up on the next spin.
Below is a quote from simon on RF for a better explaination:
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Hi All,
IOnce again lets try a bit easy terms now,
doz 1 hits ( THIS IS YOUR DOZ TO BET AGAINST AFTER IT HAS LOST )
doz 1 hits ( NO BET AS SAME DOZ WON )
doz 2 hits ( NOW BET DOZ 2 & 3 )
doz 1 hits ( BET LOST SO WAIT FOR COZ 1 TO LOSE AGAIN )
doz 3 hits ( NOW BET DOZ 2 & 3 ON YOUR PROGRESSION)
doz 3 wins ( YOU WIN NEW DOZ TO BET AGAINST IS NOW DOZ 3 WHEN IT HAS LOST )
doz 3 wins ( NO BET AS LAST DOZ 3 HAS NOT LOST YET )
doz 2 wins ( NOW BET DOZ 1 & 3 ON YOUR PROGRESSION)
etc , etc , etc ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE DOZEN TO END IT'S WINNING SEQUENCE AS ABOVE
Regards,
Si
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The way i play this is to play it virtual until there is one loss then i bet for real,if i lose i stop betting go back to virtual mode and wait for the next wL before i start real betting but this time with 3 chips on each dozen and if lose again take the loss and reset back to 1 chip on each.
The reason i like this system is there are quite a few single L's or wwLww ..but few LL's OR nolinkswwLLnolinkswLLww from what i have tested and played so far.
I have attached my live play session excel sheet.
If someone could add to this or think of a way to make it play better i look forward to reading your reply [smiley=wink.gif]
Cheers,
F
F
Very interesting. Are you going to do a test on this or just play live? Where are you playing? Real or RNG?
Sam
Simon`s 2 dozens idea is very interesting , but the steep progression is a problem.
If one say there had been no more than the 4 th step (3-9-27-81) and the the progession of the system is sufficient with 6 steps (3-9-27-81-243-729= total1092 x 2 = 2184) and there will be a day, where there are 8 misses and one will loose 2184 chips.
Perhaps a smoother progression will do better (safer).
A brainstorming idea: perhaps play 1 till a loss then 3 times 3 chips, when lost 3 times (now total 20 chips) 9 chips for perhaps 3 times or longer and so on.
It s no clear idea only a brainstorming idea.
It will take longer to come back from your losses, but you don t need such a large amount (2184 chips).
Perhaps one of our progression specialists could help.
An interesting idea for our programmers could be to make a small program to track this 2 dozens system, perhaps its possible then to chekc a larger number of spins.
Best regards
kawa4711
..perhaps a D`alembert would be interesting 1,2,3,4, etc., but I don`t know, if there is a D`alembert for 2 dozens possible.
Perhaps its interesting to tzry some progressions on this interesting idea.
Best regards
kawa 4711
Quote from: TwoCatSam on September 07, 2008, 12:30:05 AM
F
Very interesting. Are you going to do a test on this or just play live? Where are you playing? Real or RNG?
Sam
Hi Sam,
I have lots of numbers so will do more tests on it... feel free to test it too ;) i played real at Dublinbet and don't think i would play RNG because my thoughts on that are it's a bit like the lotto scratch card when they first came out in the UK my brother was buying 2 or 3 and winning on atleast one,then he'd go back and spend his winnings on 10 more then winning again ect and it was like this for weeks then all of a sudden and more so today its a job to win a £1 >:( ...RNG and Lotto just suck you in i,d say.
Quote from: kawa4711 on September 07, 2008, 06:23:07 AM
Simon`s 2 dozens idea is very interesting , but the steep progression is a problem.
Hi Kawa,
That was kind of what i was saying which is why i came up with playng it the Lw way and forgetting the BIG progressions.
Cheers,
F
Hi, Fluker, I tried a DÁlembert on paper :
1,2,3,4,...after a loss I add one on each dozen, after a win I stay on the same amount of chips.
After 6 + an 5 - you break even or it is a small win, depending , how the + - come.
Best regards
kawa4711
I ve tested it on OC real play :
Waiting for a repeat of one dozen, after changing a dozen I play the other 2 dozens, after a loss I wait for another repeat anddo the same:
par ex.:
1
1
2
betting 2 and3
1 appears- Loss-stop betting
2
2
3
betting 1 and3
1 appears -Win- waiting for another repeat
my LW:
LWWWWWWLW
Not so bad
Best regards
kawa4711
Hi, to all
here you can fin the original-thread on
rouletteforum.net
nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1216567314/s-0/ (nolinks://nolinks.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1216567314/s-0/)
Best regards
kawa4711
The advanced D' Alembert is an good idea. Increase one unit on both until win and than bet 2 times the highest bet and than reset to 1/1 unit or if you are risk taker go down after every hit to 1/1 unit. It makes huge winnings if you catch streaks.
Example:
L 1/1 unit
L 2/2 units
L 3/3 units
L 4/4 units
W 5/5 units
W 5/5 units - reset to 1/1 unit or if risk taker go:
W 4/4 units
W 3/3 units
W 2/2 units *
W 1/1 unit.
* If lost bet on step down e.g. 2/2 next bet is again 3/3. Always repeat the highest bet after win. With 2 dozens against one we expect winning streaks.
Hermes
Hi, Hermes,
thank you for your detailed sample of the progression.
My way pf playing the dozens is, to wait for a repeater dozen, when the repeater dozen ends, because another dozen appears, I play this dozen and the other dozen, which was not the repater dozen.
After a win or a loss I wait for another repeat of a dozen:
doz 1 hits
doz 1 hits
doz 2 hits end of doz 1 repeat( NOW BET DOZ 2 & 3 )
doz 1 hits ( BET LOST SO WAIT FOR another repeater dozen)
doz 3 hits ( NO BET , because repeat)
doz 3 hits ( NO BET , because repeat)
doz 3 hits NO BET , because repeat
doz 2 hits end of repeat, now play doz 1&2
....and so on.
I ve made good LW streaks (not so much L s)
Best regards
kawa4711
kawa is it not better idea to play your short example this way?
D bet w/L
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1
1 -
2 -
1 2/3 L
3 -
3 2/3 w
3 2/3 w
2 2/3 w bet the 2/3 until lose and than wait for the one which lost your bet to finish before betting a new formation, e.g.:
3 2/3 w
3 2/3 w
1 2/3 L
1 -
2 -
2 2/3 w
3 2/3 w
this way you get longer winning streaks if one D sleep (15 -20 spins?).
Best way to bet against the slowest one. E.g. 1st came 13x, 2nd came 17x, 3rd came 8x, bet 1/2 against the 3rd and zero until difference evens.
Hermes
Hi, Hermes,
thank you for this idea.
I`ll test it with my really plaid permanences on my OC and compare it with my results of my way, I am playing it.
Best regards
kawa4711
Great work Kawa & Hermes!
I like the D' Alembert idea and have done work on a new but simular idea, the other trouble with Simon's system is waiting for a dozen to change and can take a while which tends to make lots of gaps between betting so i've come up with what i call Dozen doz'nt:
This system has the same amount of w/L's pretty much and there seems to be long nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinks but still only ever seen no more than 5 L's in a row.
Wait for dozen 1 or 3 to appear and then say if dozen 3 showed up write 321321321321 down the page.
Example:
23
16
37 3
2
1
3
2
1
Now we bet that the next spin dos'nt land on dozen 2.
Example:
23
16
37 3
11 2 w +1
1
3
2
1
Now keep going using the D' Alembert idea on a Loss.
attached is a 50 spin test.
Cheers
F
Fluker, if the 1st dozen comes first do you play 123-123-123? and if the 3rd one comes first do you play 321-321-321 until win or until loss?
Thanks Hermes
Quote from: hermes on September 08, 2008, 10:05:38 PM
Fluker, if the 1st dozen comes first do you play 123-123-123? and if the 3rd one comes first do you play 321-321-321 until win or until loss?
Yes Hermes thats correct and i guess if the 2nd dozen came out first you could go 231 231 231 or 213 213 but i just find it easier waiting for 1 or 3.
I've been messing around with the reverse D' Alembert going 1x1 2x2 3x3 4x4 5x5 and reset back to 1x1 or on a loss step back down 4x4 3x3 ect.
Example:
1 1 (dozen 1 came so 123,123,ect )
34 2
21 3
0 1
6 2
21 3
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D' Alembert Reversed D' Alembert
1 1 (bet 1x1) (bet 1x1)
34 2 w +1 (bet 1x1) +1 (bet 2x2)
21 3 w +2 (bet 1x1) +3 (bet 3x3)
0 1 L 0 (bet 2x2) -3 (bet 2x2)
6 2 w +2 (bet 1x1) -1 (bet 3x3)
21 3 w +3 (bet 1x1) +2 (bet 4x4)
27 1 w +4 (bet 1x1) +6 (bet 5x5) [step back 1x1]
7 2 w +5 (bet 1x1) +11 (bet 1x1)
34 3 L +3 (bet 2x2) +9 (bet 1x1)
12 1 L -1 (bet 3x3) +7 (bet 1x1)
27 2 w +2 (bet 2x2) +8 (bet 2x2)
17 3 w +4 (bet 1x1) +10 (bet 3x3)
33 1 w +5 (bet 1x1) +13 (bet 4x4)
25 2 w +6 (bet 1x1) +17 (bet 5x5)
Seems the better way but if it gets caught on the 5x5 with a L followed by 4 more L's could lead to trouble but saying that i've noticed streaks of nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinks after LLLLL so should recover most of the time.
Cheers,
L
Quote from: Fluker on September 09, 2008, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: hermes on September 08, 2008, 10:05:38 PM
Fluker, if the 1st dozen comes first do you play 123-123-123? and if the 3rd one comes first do you play 321-321-321 until win or until loss?
Yes Hermes thats correct and I guess if the 2nd dozen came out first you could go 231 231 231 or 213 213 but I just find it easier waiting for 1 or 3.
I've been messing around with the reverse D' Alembert going 1x1 2x2 3x3 4x4 5x5 and reset back to 1x1 or on a loss step back down 4x4 3x3 ect.
Example:
1 1 (dozen 1 came so 123,123,ect )
34 2
21 3
0 1
6 2
21 3
===============================================================
D' Alembert Reversed D' Alembert
1 1 (bet 1x1) (bet 1x1)
34 2 w +1 (bet 1x1) +1 (bet 2x2)
21 3 w +2 (bet 1x1) +3 (bet 3x3)
0 1 L 0 (bet 2x2) -3 (bet 2x2)
6 2 w +2 (bet 1x1) -1 (bet 3x3)
21 3 w +3 (bet 1x1) +2 (bet 4x4)
27 1 w +4 (bet 1x1) +6 (bet 5x5) [step back 1x1]
7 2 w +5 (bet 1x1) +11 (bet 1x1)
34 3 L +3 (bet 2x2) +9 (bet 1x1)
12 1 L -1 (bet 3x3) +7 (bet 1x1)
27 2 w +2 (bet 2x2) +8 (bet 2x2)
17 3 w +4 (bet 1x1) +10 (bet 3x3)
33 1 w +5 (bet 1x1) +13 (bet 4x4)
25 2 w +6 (bet 1x1) +17 (bet 5x5)
Seems the better way but if it gets caught on the 5x5 with a L followed by 4 more L's could lead to trouble but saying that i've noticed streaks of nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinks after LLLLL so should recover most of the time.
Cheers,
L
Hello Fluker,
Have you done more testing on this?I have played simon's dozen system and ever hit the wall on progression,I don't know if someone has a method to overcome it.
If there is anything positive from tests please advise
Quote from: see_jerek on October 20, 2008, 10:06:32 AM
Quote from: Fluker on September 09, 2008, 10:40:51 AM
Quote from: hermes on September 08, 2008, 10:05:38 PM
Fluker, if the 1st dozen comes first do you play 123-123-123? and if the 3rd one comes first do you play 321-321-321 until win or until loss?
Yes Hermes thats correct and I guess if the 2nd dozen came out first you could go 231 231 231 or 213 213 but I just find it easier waiting for 1 or 3.
I've been messing around with the reverse D' Alembert going 1x1 2x2 3x3 4x4 5x5 and reset back to 1x1 or on a loss step back down 4x4 3x3 ect.
Example:
1 1 (dozen 1 came so 123,123,ect )
34 2
21 3
0 1
6 2
21 3
===============================================================
D' Alembert Reversed D' Alembert
1 1 (bet 1x1) (bet 1x1)
34 2 w +1 (bet 1x1) +1 (bet 2x2)
21 3 w +2 (bet 1x1) +3 (bet 3x3)
0 1 L 0 (bet 2x2) -3 (bet 2x2)
6 2 w +2 (bet 1x1) -1 (bet 3x3)
21 3 w +3 (bet 1x1) +2 (bet 4x4)
27 1 w +4 (bet 1x1) +6 (bet 5x5) [step back 1x1]
7 2 w +5 (bet 1x1) +11 (bet 1x1)
34 3 L +3 (bet 2x2) +9 (bet 1x1)
12 1 L -1 (bet 3x3) +7 (bet 1x1)
27 2 w +2 (bet 2x2) +8 (bet 2x2)
17 3 w +4 (bet 1x1) +10 (bet 3x3)
33 1 w +5 (bet 1x1) +13 (bet 4x4)
25 2 w +6 (bet 1x1) +17 (bet 5x5)
Seems the better way but if it gets caught on the 5x5 with a L followed by 4 more L's could lead to trouble but saying that i've noticed streaks of nolinksnolinksnolinksnolinks after LLLLL so should recover most of the time.
Cheers,
L
Hello Fluker,
Have you done more testing on this?I have played simon's dozen system and ever hit the wall on progression,I don't know if someone has a method to overcome it.
If there is anything positive from tests please advise
Hi See_jerek,
I've done no more testing because of the lack of feedback so I'm guessing It's probaly not worth it.
:)
The strange thing is Simon is willing hell a lot of money with this,I try but didn't get the same positive result as him.I am sure others have tried and not getting anything good.Really beats me mate
I played this sistem today on 1livecasino.com(vuetec)
deposit 10 euro and now I have 20euro
10euro profit 1.30 h playing.
:thumbsup:
my advice avoid when is doing this:33313
22212
11131....I never bet when he hit 3,4,5 times in one dozen.
I change table and looking for mixing 12322 now bet.
I had 12 wins 1 lose and I play flat.
good luck!!! :thumbsup:
Another thing Simon suggests is wait for LL, this cuts the progression down somewhat. He's got a screenshot on RF of his account, 55000GBP, thanks to plenty of time and patience. The 2200 unit progression isn't a big concern for him I don't think. I like this system too but the original progression is mad.
Update: Suggested progression - Labouchere or Midas method and/or with LW
Bet 2 dozen have disadvantage, that is it cancell the gain.
There will only one section gain, and never two section gain at one time.
So this is a waste, suicide methology.
and return merely 50% of total bet
better way is bet is 18 number with small lost but section with big win, and flexible to choose section any time, no need to stick to onmne section.