Questions For Lanky

[ozshabs]

boo_ray

glad you liked it...am working on a better version. once I am finished, I will post it here.

Cheers

[Lanky]

@lanky
If I play splits should divisor be 18?

Hi Boo.

Yes My Mate I would play 18......some may prefer 17....But I would go with the 18 its easier to do.

Good OnYa Mate.

Lanky.

[Just_Gabe]

Hey lanky, question.

I've been wondering what is best to bet, just LD, or LD and LC or all 4 (LD, JD, LC, JC)?
Did anyone get better results by betting somewhere else?

Where do you bet Lanky?

thx

[Lanky]

Hey lanky, question.

I've been wondering what is best to bet, just LD, or LD and LC or all 4 (LD, JD, LC, JC)?
Did anyone get better results by betting somewhere else?

Where do you bet Lanky?

thx

Hi Just_Gabe .

I personally prefer the LD & the LC.

For the Wheel to keep throwing the L's at You it needs constantly to throw the Furthest back Dozen /Column.

It does happen at Times but not as much as on the JD & The JC where every repeat is a Loss.
And I have Seen wLLLLLLLLL=10 of the Same Dozen/Column repeat Quite a Few Times.

I Once saw the 1st Column go 14 times in a row then a Zero then another 4 of the same Column again before it changed.
Great if Your playing the L's but a Real Bank Buster if Your playing the W's.

But everyone is different My Friend as what they Prefer to play.
I am just saying what I do Most Times.

And I very rarely go past My 2 losses in a Row and then Stop betting and wait again for another opportunity.

I don't Win all the Time Gabe.

I just try to Lose Less then most other players do.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[vix]

It does happen at Times but not as much as on the JD & The JC where every repeat is a Loss.
And I have Seen wLLLLLLLLL=10 of the Same Dozen/Column repeat Quite a Few Times.

I Once saw the 1st Column go 14 times in a row then a Zero then another 4 of the same Column again before it changed.
Great if Your playing the L's but a Real Bank Buster if Your playing the W's.

I'm confused 
How can you lose so much when this wLLLLLLLLL happens ? That can only happen if you play every spin, right?
I thought you only played the bet in red >> wLLLLLLLLL and then wait for the next Lw pattern and/or trigger.
Maybe I have misunderstood, because my succes with it hasn't been to great.

Vix

[Lanky]

I'm confused  
How can you lose so much when this wLLLLLLLLL happens ? That can only happen if you play every spin, right?
I thought you only played the bet in red >> wLLLLLLLLL and then wait for the next Lw pattern and/or trigger.
Maybe I have misunderstood, because my succes with it hasn't been to great.

Vix

Hi Vix.

All I did was explain what I have SEEN happen on the JD to Gabe.

And I assumed he was a W player..but I can see from this thread(link below)he is also an L player.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=10504.msg67029#msg67029.

Vix some of us can play both W's and the L's.
The L's can be real tricky at times but its like money from heaven when they are hitting.

I don't want to confuse You Vix because You play mainly the Lw pattern.

However I will explain what COULD have happened with that sequence above that Your talking about.
If it went like this....Lw Lw Lw etc then I would bet after the next L for a W if that lost I would have bet again for a W because if that hit it meant the LLw Pattern had just came.

Now if those 2 bets had lost I would stop....and see what happened with more spins.
Lets look at doing it that way as an example.

Lw Lw Lw >>bet after next L

and it went wL< bet for the W to come LL ok now I stop betting and wait for More patterns to form.

Ok Now lets go back to the begginning again with the LLw Pattern and see what happens.

Lw Lw LLw >so after LL comes bet the W to come.

Lets now look at how that would now look Vix.

Lw Lw LLw>>>and now it went LL <I now bet and it went LL Going on what happened before I would stop betting Right Vix ?

But now here is how its gone...Lw Lw LLw> LLLL>>Now some people would turn and play the L's from here.

I know Victor played the Ls after it went LLL>>now bet Ls until nolinks Came.

I hope I have helped with this explanation Vix.

But simply put the betting of the L's is not for everyone to do...it can confuse You...it needs heaps of Practise and You can still lose doing it.

Your Friend.

Lanky.

[vix]

Thank you Lanky for explaining   

[Just_Gabe]

Hi Lanky, I have some questions that I don't know if you already answered, but I've been a bit lazy to search for them.  If they have been answered I would appreciate to know which post is it...

I've been testing the 4 point divisor and so far, I like it!  But I dunno when to use the 6 point divisor plan.

There has been times that I lost money using the 4pd.  Of course, this is something that is bound to happen sometimes due to the nature of random and the so-called fluctuations that happen.

My question is the following.  You said that after betting 1x1 and 2x2, you sum up the losses into a 4pd plan in the post "Lanky's implementation of Lw's", and then lets say the session goes something like this

6/4 = 2 L
8/4 = 2 L
10/4 = 3 W (+6)
4/3 = 2 L
6/3 = 2 W (+4)
2/2 <-----------Now, in this part, you said that when the divisor goes down to 2, we should add a safety break and add 6/4 right? so we now have 8/6 and keep betting until we get nolinksw.  However, if after this bet 4 nolinksw came in...
8/6 = 2 L
10/6 = 2 L
12/6 = 2 L
14/6 = 3 L (end of L hunting with -17)

I would have lost 11 units, so if I were to use this recovery plan again in the future, I would begin from the last 2 bets lost (6) while the other 11 are ignored, right?

Besides, I've run into this streak too often...
6/4 = 2 W +4
2/3 = 1 <----I guess it's ok if the divisor is greater than the profit goal right? so we keep betting 1.

Last, I faced another weird situation...
7/6 = 2 L
9/6 = 2 W +4
5/5 = 1 L
6/5 = 2 W +4
2/4 = 1 L
3/4 = 1 L
4/4 = 1 L
5/4 = 2 W +4 <---Now, after this, it becomes 1/3 = 1, do I add another 6/4? or keep betting with 1/3 until it becomes something like -1/2?
1/3 = 1 W +2 <---I kept betting as 1 until I had a divisor of 2 and added another 6/4...so it ended up being -1/2 (-1 meaning that I was 1 unit in profit...) + 6/4 it would be 5/6
5/6 = 1

Also, when do I start using the 6 point divisor plan?

Thank you! I hope I made myself clear...

[Lanky]

Hi Gabe .

I think I know where the problem lies in what Your doing.

But please put the link here so I can see the post and see what I said exactly in that particular post.

The last post that I tracked down for You was 2 and half years old =Eg:« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007.

So if you can do that It will make things quicker for Me to read it My Friend.

Lanky.

[Just_Gabe]

Sure Lanky, here's the post nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/lanky's-implementation-of-lw's/msg878/#msg878 here you use the 4 point divisor, yet I don't see any examples of using a 6 point divisor.

[Lanky]

My question is the following.  You said that after betting 1x1 and 2x2, you sum up the losses into a 4pd plan in the post "Lanky's implementation of Lw's", and then lets say the session goes something like this

6/4 = 2 L
8/4 = 2 L
10/4 = 3 W (+6)
4/3 = 2 L
6/3 = 2 W (+4)
2/2 <-----------Now, in this part, you said that when the divisor goes down to 2, we should add a safety break and add 6/4 right? so we now have 8/6 and keep betting until we get nolinksw.  However, if after this bet 4 nolinksw came in...

Ok up to here You have everything right Gabe.
Now because You have added another divisor.= 2/2+4/6
Your Win Target is now (6)+2=8

8/6 = 2 L >>6/8=2=10 Lost
10/6 = 2 L >6/10=2=12 Lost
12/6 = 2 L >6/12=2=14 Lost
14/6 = 3 L (end of L hunting with -17) >6/14=3=17 lost Divisor now up to 7.

That –17 you have there is as You say below is really –11 because of the (6) Win Target.

I would have lost 11 units, so if I were to use this recovery plan again in the future, I would begin from the last 2 bets lost (6) while the other 11 are ignored, right?
<< no wrong that's why its best to do the Formula the way its designed to get the best results.

The biggest mistake You made was after You had LLLL
4 losses in a Row betting on a Single Dozen.
Means You HAVE to put the Divisor UP ONE to 7

See when your Divisor was at 2/2 <<this 2 is what Your losses were.
Now the moment You added 4/6 << that (6) is Your win Target.
And any other bets and losses are added as You Go.

You said>> I would begin from the last 2 bets lost (6)

That's wrong Your last 2 lost bets totalled (5)
(see how easy it is to make a mistake when posting Mate ..LOL..Joke)

And You should already be in a 7 point Divisor right now.
And Your Goal from here is win back the 11 lost units overall if you do that you will break even.
If You win back 12 then You would be +1 in Profit.

And by doing what You have done by not putting the Divisor up after 4 Losses in a row when chasing the L's  will cause this problem for You every time My Friend.
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Besides, I've run into this streak too often...
6/4 = 2 W +4
2/3 = 1 <----I guess it's ok if the divisor is greater than the profit goal right? so we keep betting 1.

You can always add another 4/6 Divisor to Your 3/2 if that's what You want to do. ( I would)
Which would give You 7/8=2 to bet=10
By doing that Your Win Target is now(6)+2=8
So on that Bet if it won would look like this.
7/8=2=10 Won-6 back=4<>less the(6)WinTarget=+2 Profit

That should clear that Part up for You Mate.
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Lets now move to this Problem Below

And I will assume that Your 7 are lost units to begin with and You still chasing the L's

Last, I faced another weird situation...
7/6 = 2 L
9/6 = 2 W +4
5/5=1 L
6/5 = 2 W +4

Same here but just add (4) to the win target+4/2=4/6 and Your Win Target is (4)

2/4 = 1 L >4/6=2=8 Lost
3/4 = 1 L >4/8=2=10 Lost
4/4 = 1 L >4/10=3=13 Lost
The bet below would look like this now
4/13=4=17 Won-12 back=5 >>Div DOWN to 3.

5/4 = 2 W +4 <---Now, after this, it becomes 1/3 = 1, do I add another 6/4? or keep betting with 1/3 until it becomes something like -1/2?

Ok on that statement above You would have hit another Winner so the bet would have been.

3/5=2=7 Won-6 back=1 <>less(4) Win target= +3 Profit.

1/3 = 1 W +2 <---I kept betting as 1 until I had a divisor of 2 and added another 6/4...so it ended up being -1/2 (-1 meaning that I was 1 unit in profit...) + 6/4 it would be 5/6
5/6 = 1

Also, when do I start using the 6 point divisor plan?

Thank you! I hope I made myself clear...

Ok Gabe My Friend I have done My best for You.

I will just say this the 4 point Divisor can lead to bigger bets because it can become more aggressive.

And in reality everyone should learn the 6 point Divisor First before going to the 4 point Divisor.

The 6 point is safer and easier to recover from if You make a mistake.

Your Friend

Lanky

[Just_Gabe]

Ok...I think I got some of the stuff you explained.  However, I've tried the 6pd in the LD...and failed miserably from like 10 times I used it, only 2 times it worked well, because after LLLL, a long string of w's would normally come killing all opportunities to get some units back...I guess I'll keep testing and give you some details on the numbers spuns so I can get some feedback.  Interesting enough, the 6pd worked more often on JD and JC...like I said, I'll keep testing.

Thank you very much Lanky!

[Lanky]

I've tried the 6pd in the LD...and failed miserably  from like 10 times I used it, only 2 times it worked well, because after LLLL, a long string of w's would normally come killing all opportunities to get some units back...

Oh really!!??

I would like to know what the Divisor got to after Your adding the 1 to it after you kept losing the 4 bets. ??
I would love to see the Lw notations on those sessions Cobber.

The 6 point did not fail Mate.....the player that's not reading the L patterns before and after and or the player that did not realise He was in a Hell session probably did though.

In fact on the whole it seems like You have played W sessions and did not realise it.

Some times You can come in on the L's after LLL as Victor taught.
And some times the L's will come after LLwL >>>and another L withing 4 spins.
Also these patterns can happen nolinksw LLLL nolinksw LLLL etc a savvy player could Win both ways if that was prevalent

As Victor and I have both said over the Last 3 years or so betting the L's is not for every one....they sure can be tricky.

You just can't say that You will bet the L's EVERY TIME it goes LLLL because thats just being Totally Mechanical at ALL times with that approach.

And if that Could be done I would be a Millionaire a few times over by now.

Thank you very much Lanky!

Your quite Welcome My Friend.

Lanky.

[Just_Gabe]

The 6 point did not fail Mate.....the player that's not reading the L patterns before and after and or the player that did not realise He was in a Hell session probably did though.

Actually...you're right! lol...it was clearly a session from hell...from 20 sessions of 10 bets, I would've normally ended up with -37 units...but ended up with -4 thanks to Victor's virtual play, clearly a HELLISH session of the worst kind mate.

Also, yeah, I have to admit I've been playing very mechanically...but I'll keep practicing until I get the "feel" of when to and when not to hunt for L's.

I'll keep you up about the tests Lanky

Thx again mate!

[trylobit]

Hello!

I've been studding Lw play (Victor's, Lanky's and Sam's).
I'm hunting only for w, but obviously looking how L coming up in JD give a lot of information about LD.
I've played about 2000 spins so far with net profit of 383 units.
The biggest drop was -60 units.

My question: what kind of initial bankroll would you propose?
I know, bigger bankroll, better, but realistically thinking.

I'm doing about 30 units a session (100-200 spins), the biggest drop I had was -60 units.
I'd say that 200 units would be enough.

I'm looking forward for your opinion.

Thank you in advance.
Best regards.
Trylobit

[trylobit]

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