*The Cauldron*

[schoenpoetser]

Sorry I have made a big mistake.The analyse tool is for "Kens 4 number method".
I try to find for the different systems ,if it is possible to use my strategy.I need the maximum deviations of the averages.Therefor I have to analyse the randomrow.The diagrams give me the deviations in one view.
The Cauldron is to difficult to analyse with a simply excelprogram.The cauldron is a beauty but not practice.

[bombus]

Sorry I have made a big mistake.The analyse tool is for "Kens 4 number method".
I try to find for the different systems ,if it is possible to use my strategy.I need the maximum deviations of the averages.Therefor I have to analyse the randomrow.The diagrams give me the deviations in one view.
The Cauldron is to difficult to analyse with a simply excelprogram.The cauldron is a beauty but not practice.

Well that would explain why I couldn't make any sense out of it...lol

[jrhelp007]

bombus,

In one of your replies you wrote:

"Like others have said this method can produce big swings, so big I almost called it The Bungee Jump System.
Cheesy Short games like this can appear to fluctuate dramatically".

What is you conclusion for this system. Shall this system play "AS IS" or can you please share with the members on this board your "ADDS ON" to improve its performance on the Roulette table and gearing us towards winning.

The problem playing it "AS IS" and in a land Casino the amount of tim spend in the table(s) is short meaning not many hours. You saw in one of my replies that I took an hit of -152 units. It basically wiped out all my 2 days of  winning!

Since we do not know as we start to incur losses if we shall stop to play on that table and use another one? Although, it can happen on another table as well.

I took two consecutive losses of -37 units, then I won 9 unit and again I went to the process of losing another
37 units. Perhaps it was the time to "WALK AWAY" from this table?

Regards,
 
John

[bombus]

bombus,

In one of your replies you wrote:

"Like others have said this method can produce big swings, so big I almost called it The Bungee Jump System.
Cheesy Short games like this can appear to fluctuate dramatically".

What is you conclusion for this system. Shall this system play "AS IS" or can you please share with the members on this board your "ADDS ON" to improve its performance on the Roulette table and gearing us towards winning.

The problem playing it "AS IS" and in a land Casino the amount of tim spend in the table(s) is short meaning not many hours. You saw in one of my replies that I took an hit of -152 units. It basically wiped out all my 2 days of  winning!

Since we do not know as we start to incur losses if we shall stop to play on that table and use another one? Although, it can happen on another table as well.

I took two consecutive losses of -37 units, then I won 9 unit and again I went to the process of losing another
37 units. Perhaps it was the time to "WALK AWAY" from this table?

Regards,
 
John

You can play The Cauldron as is. Just remember in this format it appears volatile so short session can be cruel or kind. The longer you play (personal permanence) the more it levels out, hopefully with a positive edge worth the effort.

There are many, many ways you could devise to play this system. I've tested more than a handful, but settled on this way for sheer practicality. I encourage you to try out a few ideas and let us know how you fare. The more "out of the box/lateral" the better.

You can even play multiple games simultaneously with different trigger formats and hop between them as fluctuation dictates.

I've decided to leave the Old 1-2 Progression out of the debate for the time being as I really haven't tested it enough... Sometimes it works a treat, and sometimes it is best left aside.


"WALK AWAY" from the table when you've got enough, or had enough.

Cheers.

[jrhelp007]

Thank you for your response.

I'll try to use it "AS IS" running longer session(s) using a better Money Management approach integrated with  the "WATER MARK" concept . Lets say win 150 units quite this session. Or, loss of -70 units stop and take the loss.

"HAVE A NICE WEEKEND"

John

[bombus]

I think a -70 unit stop loss interrupts too many sessions.

My own stop loss sequence is, @ -190 ALERT but continue. @ -240 STOP.

If I get in the hole -190 I play for a 50 unit swing. If it swings down to -240 I'll stop. If it swings up to -140 I'll keep playing though ready to stop anytime, but if it then drops back to -190 I'll stop.

Two losses of 240 wipe out one bankroll.

Lose three bankrolls and the system is discarded.

[insidebet]

Bombus,

You said a few weeks ago that you would make an attempt to give a logical reason as to why the Cauldron is supposed to win.

Any thoughts on that yet?

Insider

[bombus]

Bombus,

You said a few weeks ago that you would make an attempt to give a logical reason as to why the Cauldron is supposed to win.

Any thoughts on that yet?

Insider

Sorry, I haven't had much time for roulette related discussion lately.

I have started to write out a logical explanation for The Cauldron about 10 times now, but as I write I also defeat my own argument with gambler's fallacy counter argument.

So I think I'll give up on trying explaining why it should or shouldn't work, and just continue playing it at the casino from time to time.

Suffice to say the game plays a good amount of numbers on a good spread of the wheel. It is always altering numbers and positions, so does not get bogged down waiting for or chasing the same numbers or sectors to hit.

The system does not attempt to predict the next number; it merely attempts to shuffle along one step ahead of random. Sometimes it shuffles along one step behind random, in which case you suffer a downswing. I have strategy for this but its way too complicated and bordering on impractical, so best left alone.

Good luck using or perhaps developing The Cauldron to its full potential.

[insidebet]

Thank you Bombus,

I have stopped testing.   I did about 1 500 spins.  The result is about even.  I do not know if you had streches like that.  You say are quite a bit ahead after 20 000 spins.   Did you have runs of 1 500 spins that showed no profits?

Waiting for someone to code this.  It really takes a long time by hand.

It is really hard to understand why nobody with coding skills showed any interest for this...

I mean I saw all kinds of systems here with 73 steps progressions and everybody doing triple backflips they were so happy.   Now somebody with good credentials says he is <<way ahead>> after 20 000 spins of FLATBETTING and this thread dies.  Go figure.

Insidebet

[bombus]

So here's how the old-1-2 progression goes.

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As you know,

The first bet is always on 9 or 10 numbers, win and stop, or lose and go to the second bet.

The second bet is always on 18 or 19 numbers, win and stop, or lose and go to the third bet.

The third bet is always on 9 or 10 numbers, win and stop, or lose and stop.

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So the first and third bets are the same (9 or 10 numbers), while he second bet is different (18 or 19 numbers). Because of this difference you can split the game into two separate sections.



'Section 1'  consists of any bets from bet 1 and bet 3 of any game.

'Section 2'  consists of any bets from bet 2 of any game.

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You can play bets 1 & 3 of any game 4 times to break even.

You can play bet 2 of any game 2 times to break even.

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You start off betting 1 unit across the board.

You record all the 1st & 3rd bets of any games, together on one side of the ledger, and all the 2nd bets of any games, together on the other side of the ledger.

The idea is to profit on any of the 1st & 3rd bets within 4 attempts, and to profit on any of the 2nd bets within 2 attempts.

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When playing 1 unit,

After any win within 4 bets while playing 'section 1', you recommence the next 'section 1' sequence playing 2 units.

After any win within 2 bet while playing 'section 2', you recommence the next 'section 2' sequence playing 2 units.

After any loss of 4 bets while playing 'section 1', you recommence the next 'section 1' sequence playing 1 unit.

After any loss of 2 bets while playing 'section2', you recommence the next 'section 2' sequence playing 1 unit.

After any 1 break even sequence playing 'section 1', you recommence the next 'section 1' sequence playing 1 unit.

After any 2 in a row break even sequences playing 'section 1', you begin the next 'section 1' sequence playing 2 units.

After any 1 break even sequence playing 'section 2', you begin the next 'section 2' sequence playing 1 unit.

After any 2 in a row break even sequences playing 'section 2', you begin the next 'section 2' sequence playing 2 units.

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When playing 2 units,

After any win within 4 bets while playing 'section 1', you recommence the next 'section 1' sequence playing 2 units.

After any win within 2 bet while playing 'section 2', you recommence the next 'section 2' sequence playing 2 units.

After any loss of 4 bets while playing 'section 1', you recommence the next 'section 1' sequence playing 1 unit.

After any loss of 2 bets while playing 'section2', you recommence the next 'section 2' sequence playing 1 unit.

After any 1 break even sequence playing 'section 1', you recommence the next 'section 1' sequence playing 2 units.

After any 2 in a row break even sequences playing 'section 1', you begin the next 'section 1' sequence playing 1 unit.

After any 1 break even sequence playing 'section 2', you begin the next 'section 2' sequence playing 2 units.

After any 2 in a row break even sequences playing 'section 2', you begin the next 'section 2' sequence playing 1 unit.

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It's been a while, but I think it's right.

[bombus]

............You're welcome.............lol!

[insidebet]

Thanks Bombus for all the hard work but I never really believed in progressions, and never will I guess.  They are good IF your method wins flatbet.  If it does not,  proressions just give you the illusion of winning. (And a very dangerous one at that).

Insider

[bombus]

Hi Insider.

Yes progressions can be perilous, but this one isn't really a progression, it's just a two level flat bet.

The idea being that when the system is hitting winners you will bet 2 units and when the system is hitting losers you will bet one unit.

On rare occassions the winners & losers will dodge your stake and you can end up losing more than if only betting one unit, but from my experience more often than not the system wins & loses in tune with the up and down staking.

Give it a go and see what happens.


Cheers, mate.

[insidebet]

Yes Bombus I see what you mean.
When you actually play for real, do you use the old "1-2"  or just the flatbet method?

Insidebet

[bombus]

On live wheels I mostly use the old 1-2.

On airball I flat bet 1 unit but track the game as if using the 1-2. Then only when both sides of the ledger are betting 2 units I will increase the bet and play the 2 units. As soon as the 2 sides of the ledger are betting different amounts I revert back to 1 unit.

This is because often the first bet is 1 unit and the second bet is 2 units (and vise versa), so you have to recall the first bet then add in the2 unit second bet, then top up the original first bet with another unit (or the opposite), and airball is too fast for me to do all that.

When practicing with online live wheels I play the 1-2 and when the table gets  too fast I revert back to 1 unit.


I played at the casino the other day and the game went like this:


Bets 1&3 (9 numbers)                            Bet 2 (18 numbers)

1 unit – LLLL   -36                                      1 unit –W    +18

1 unit – LW     +18                                     2 units – W   +36

2 units – LW   +36                                     2 units – W   +36

                                                                 2 units – W   +36

                                                                 2 units – W   +36                                                         
                                                     
                                                                  2 units – W   +36


Total profit = +216 units in about 24 spins. I got up and left with a Grand in the hand, feeling very good.  

[bombus]

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