After Ronjo's testing of my computer confirmed my claims, Bago's excuse was that Ronjo must be me, and Forester's excuse was Ronjo was just incompetent. Always excuses. I have done so many things to prove the stooges are full of sh*t, and for most people the truth is very clear - so much so that some people contacted me to say "look we get the point". Perhaps, but maybe it's a hobby.
As per my recent post, Bago ran away again. No matter how it ended, I knew the idiot would never admit to being wrong. It really is a waste of time. He just runs like a coward, same as forester, and continue on going "oh Stefano scam" this and that, but they never have any balls for challenges. Just being evasive at every possible opportunity - even once when I virtually shoved testing equipment in forester's face, in person. Anyway..
So I wanted to arrange for Herb (Snowman on GG) to get one of my computers to do testing. Since Forester makes up his own version of what's happening (as he does with everything else), Herb I'd like to publicly discuss possible testing of my computer.
As I explained to you via email, I am suspicious of your knowledge of roulette wheel manufacturing, so I wont send you a full version - ONLY what is essential to prove forester and bago are what I say they are. You assured me you are a player, not working for casinos or wheel manufacturers. Either way I'm not taking the risk as I'm sure you can understand.
As with Ronjo, I am not interested in dropping my pants and bearing all. If I wanted to do that, I would have done it already. All I want you to do is basic testing to prove my claims about the results from different diamond testing - ie to do the test that forester suggests to determine a roulette computer's effectiveness. The aim of the testing is very simple: to refute the bullshit from morons such as Forester an Bago - nothing more, nothing less. Oh except for that extra thing which I specifically request we keep private until later, because when that one comes out, you'll see what a tantrum is.
PS - Herb, sorry for dragging this in the public, but I've said many times that I'm trying to organize it with you, but you arent responding for whatever reason. Forester's version of it is that I'm lying. If you arent interested, thats fine. Laurence Scott specifically said to me he didn't need to do any testing because he already knew the accuracy possible with mobile phones - from personal experience. Forester's version: stefano is a scammer and Laurence knows his computer is poo-poo anyway. Damn I'd love to publish the correspondence, but we'll have to keep it private.
So how about it? Shall we proceed?
Just so it's clear, I've emailed Herb/Snowman directly about this - a few days ago I think now. So far no response.
Herb, if you either dont want to get involved, or dont have the time, just say so.
He's posted on GG several times in the past few days, draw your own conclusions.
Well my conclusion was and still is that he isnt keen on it for whatever reason. He has said he will test, but I get no response. If he doesn't want to get involved, no problem we just find someone else.
Steve,
I never got an email. My email is farnsworth3@hotmail.com
Maybe it's going to my junk box or something and I'm somehow missing it. I'll double check.
I sent it to the one on your vls account which I guess is wrong. I resent it to the other address. I'd really love to proceed if you're up for it.
Wow, there's a bit to catch up on here. Please give me a while to digest this stuff.
I assume you mean the emails I've been sending. It can be summarized to the following:
1. I want to send you a very basic version of the roulette computer for testing
2. I accepted bago's online casino challenge where I need to turn $500 to $3000. He withdrew, claiming that me logging into the account he created for me was proof that I was going to cheat by depositing the $2500 into his account.
3. That third bit of testing I request we keep secret for now.
btw snowman, mark howe is back at gg AGAIN. This time attacking forester. Why you guys let him troll there is something I dont understand. He destroys the integrity of any forum he attends, but he is allowed to do it even after fishman officially banned him. He only has access because he hacked GG and hijacked many accounts, including my old account. To fix the problem, somone needs to first fix the security loophole, then delete all the inactive accounts.
Herb the quickest thing will be for you to agree to the online casino challenge. Then i can give you the account name and casino. I only ask you keep the casino name, account name, and all account details to yourself. All you'll need to do is check the account transaction history - see the starting balance, and end balance. I will have increased the bankroll 5x. So if the starting bankroll is $500, at the end it will be over $3000.
Regardless I've had a bit of a look and play around at the casino, and there wont be a problem beating the wheel, but it's going to take time. I could achieve the required bankroll within roughly 2 days if I played non-stop, but I'm not going to do that. That's why from the time I commence analysis and play, I'll be done within a month. Likely it'll be sooner, but I dont know exactly when I can dedicate time to play because when I play, it must be roughly 2-3 hours at a time. We'll just have to wait and see, but I'd really love to have it all done sooner than later. As I may have mentioend though another player may need to do the challenge for me
@Steve >> (this is not an arguement!!)...... Could you of chosen someone other than Herb? Thats like picking Bombus or Poit. Ken
lol. How can you not want to choose Herb? He is the most qualified and by far the best suited for the job. If Herb validates something you can bet your bottom dollar that it's the real thing.
Mr J, we know herb is the best person and because Herb is the only person that Bago trusts. :)
"He is the most qualified and by far the best suited for the job" >>> Obviously we are not on the same page. Ken
Quote from: Steve on August 04, 2010, 10:22:11 PM
Herb the quickest thing will be for you to agree to the online casino challenge. Then I can give you the account name and casino. I only ask you keep the casino name, account name, and all account details to yourself. All you'll need to do is check the account transaction history - see the starting balance, and end balance. I will have increased the bankroll 5x. So if the starting bankroll is $500, at the end it will be over $3000.
how is checking an account balance a test? i thought the idea was to test a computer.
"how is checking an account balance a test?" >>> THANK YOU !!!!! Ken
Quote from: Kyla Shooter on August 05, 2010, 02:18:18 PM
how is checking an account balance a test? I thought the idea was to test a computer.
The computer testing is seperate.
Bago said Steve couldn't raise a 5,000 bank to 30,000 using his system. There was some conflict with accounts etc... So Steve will be doing the challenge with his own account, then let Herb login to verify the winning are legitimate, not deposits.
:pleasantry:
Quote@Steve >> (this is not an arguement!!)...... Could you of chosen someone other than Herb? Thats like picking Bombus or Poit. Ken
Herb is one of the most qualified as advantage play is his focus. Bago said he would hang himself, apologize etc if Herb verified the account winnings. And I know bago and forester trust Herb. I showed bago via live webcam because bago edited his recording and removed my voice, and parts of it, and he said "oh well ffa is better", so then I hooked ffa and my computer to same switch arrangement, and still my computer was better so forester said I must have edited the video somehow. What a waste of time. Anyone logical can see he's backpeddling
PS - I'm in contact with Herb directly to discuss details. I'll post updates here.
"I'm in contact with Herb directly" >>> Tell him I said hey!
Admit it Ken, you like-him like-him, don't you?
I like consistency (rules etc.) in a person, he has little. Ken
What I meant before Steve (now dont get mad) isn't Herb a bias pick to do the testing? Thats like having Forester do your testing. We already know what the results will be. Ken
Forester could have seen testing in person, but refused. Sure with Herb or anyone that is actually neutral, I know what the results will be - I have done all the testing. Ronjo did testing too.
Ken if you did the testing, I'm sure you would be honest - no man who has their name tatood on a busty chest would be dishonest (great logic here)
And I would be honest. I might have to swallow a little pride but I would post true results. Good luck with the testing. Ken
Quote from: Steve on August 06, 2010, 12:15:22 AM
Forester could have seen testing in person, but refused. He is not interested in admitting he's a liar. Sure with Herb or anyone that is actually neutral, I know what the results will be - I have done all the testing. Ronjo did testing too.
Ken if you did the testing, I'm sure you would be honest - no man who has their name tatood on a busty chest would be dishonest. But forester would claim you are incompetent as he did to Ronjo. At least with herb, his focus is AP so he would be best qualified for the testing. Most importantly, bago and forester trust herb, and know he knows AP well. Bago said he'd hang himself if herb proved my claims accurate. How could I resist? I get to poke his hanging carcass with a french bread stick. I mean, how appealing does it get?
It is YOUR OPINION that Forester is a lier. Pity you are trying to convince others as well. The king of Propaganda. You should of been in Politics.
Quote from: Mr J on August 05, 2010, 01:50:55 PM
"He is the most qualified and by far the best suited for the job" >>> Obviously we are not on the same page. Ken
That's right again. You are on page 101 Chapter: Lunatics. The rest of us on another page Chapter: Reality
Quote from: Mr J on August 06, 2010, 12:36:04 AM
And I would be honest. I might have to swallow a little pride but I would post true results. Good luck with the testing. Ken
I would not trust your opinion if you were the last person in this World. How can I? You know nothing of AP and a clay brick has the same reasoning capabilities, so how could anyone remotely consider you as a candidate?
"Pity you are trying to convince others as well. The king of Propaganda"
"I would not trust your opinion if you were the last person in this World"
"You are on page 101 Chapter: Lunatics" >>> I have a question for ya Jakkalsdraai (anyone can answer). Reading these 3 comments from you, if I were to RESPOND back to you, is that your definition of me 'starting trouble'? I have asked numerous people this same question in the past but I never get an answer, kind of odd. :girl_wacko: Its amazing what some people call 'starting trouble'. There is another nut over at GG who shares the same idea. He can push me but if I push back.....Oh, oh, trouble is being started. :pleasantry: Ken
;D :lol: Relax Ken....................push back....................I don't mind and i won't call you a trouble maker. ;)
I'm asking because you have called me a trouble maker in the past (dont ask which post please) So I'm confused regarding your definition. Why call me a trouble maker (in the past) and NOW you say, go ahead and respond? Ken
Don't think it was me who called you a troublemaker that was more Steve, Anandram,Poit,Thomas and the like as far as I can remember.
If I did, I retrack it! I still think you are an ass! ;D
Quote from: Mr J on August 05, 2010, 06:46:10 AM
@Steve >> (this is not an arguement!!)...... Could you of chosen someone other than Herb? Thats like picking Bombus or Poit. Ken
What's up Ken, don't you trust me?
Mate, if you had 10% of my integrity then you'd be twice the man you are today.
Ok Im going to have my pennies worth..
Now ,I am friends with a lot of roulette players but Herb aint one of them.The ones that I am friends with say that when it Comes to AP hes the man!
So in my opinion this HAS to be the way to go.So many people for so long have been calling Steve a scammer...isnt it time we all found out and then we can at least let this rest??
TSK
"if you had 10% of my integrity then you'd be twice the man you are today" >>> If I had 100% of your knowledge in regards to roulette, I'd be broke. :sarcastic: Ken
"What's up Ken, don't you trust me?" >>> No, too much bias here and at RF. Ken
"I still think you are an ass!" >>> Thats ok Jakk. Almost everyone here thinks you are a piece of dog s**t. Stuff that in your stockin hotshot. Ken (Good luck with AP) :thumbsup: :laugh:
Ken, don't you find it odd that Herb only has problems with people who claim to win, like you and me, and until last week, Gizmo? Now that Gizmo is a system seller, Herb has had nothing to say about it at all. Am I the only one who finds that weird as hell?
Yep. If he cant win, no one else is allowed to. Its not my problem he is not a winner! Ken
Go to the archives on GG, Ken. When you and I first joined, Herb was seldom there and had very little to say about our accomplishments. Its only been in the last year that he's been on a Jihad against us. Now, why is that? Could it be he was busy playing and winning up until a year ago and now he's not? Actually, I think he started losing before a year ago, and was rushing around, losing his ass for awhile until the truth finally dawned on him.
Steve, can you tell us what method/system will you play online and what if you lose?
Anyway, I wish you luck.
QuoteIt is YOUR OPINION that Forester is a lier. Pity you are trying to convince others as well. The king of Propaganda. You should of been in Politics.
Jakk, truth is not an opinion. Dont tell me you actually think you know better about my business. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would be very disappointed in forester
QuoteSo in my opinion this HAS to be the way to go.So many people for so long have been calling Steve a scammer...isnt it time we all found out and then we can at least let this rest??
Yeah that was the idea with Ronjo and his testing indicated I've been telling the truth.
Hey Jakk,
How are you Bud?you know it's best to stay out of the politics of roulette :nono: and just get on playing the game.Poor Steve gets hammered all the time with certain people trying to discredit him.I was asked to do a test for him which I did,as Steve gave me all the procedures to do this test which I followed to the "T" and I was impressed with the results thats the bottom line,and then I get called stupid by someone I don't even know I have always stated that I am no expert at roulette but I think anyone who has played roulette for a long period would have done that test succssfully and there were other candidates to do that like Victor,Lanky, Two-cat- sam and even "Herb" anyone of them would have got the same results,and Steve also got me in touch with one of his players here in South Africa at the time and we communicated on a regular basis,I cant reveal what we discussed but he was getting similar results.The botom line is the computer did what Steve said it would do and thats final. :rtfm:
Hey Jakk check out my section I have something I will share with you guys. :dance1:
Regards,
Ronjo.
Ronjo you're alive! Thanks for clearing that up.
Herb, any luck logging into the casino yet? If there's a problem, contact me via email and I'll explain getting around the US restrictions, or just use a proxy.
Quote from: Steve on August 09, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
Ronjo you're alive! Thanks for clearing that up.
Hello Steve,
You are welcome, yes facts are facts and some people find it a problem to accept them.
Yes I am alive,I have not been active on the forum for awhile due to priorities I had to deal with this last year,but I am on track now and will be around quite often.
Regards,
Ronjo.
Funny...................I could swear I replied to Ken and now it's gone.
Quote from: Mr J on August 06, 2010, 12:27:03 PM
"I still think you are an ass!" >>> Thats ok Jakk. Almost everyone here thinks you are a piece of dog s**t. Stuff that in your stockin hotshot. Ken (Good luck with AP) :thumbsup: :laugh:
Funny how you seem to justify speaking for others. So who is "almost everyone" Ken? I'd like to know. I bet you don't reply............if you do reply I bet you don't have names to put forward. Ken I don't see you as a troublemaker...........I see you as .......... well ............. an ass!
Quote from: Steve on August 08, 2010, 10:37:03 PM
Jakk, truth is not an opinion. Dont tell me you actually think you know better about my business. Perhaps you do. In the nicest possible way Jakk, WAKE UP. If you actually knew what you were talking about, you would be disgusted in forester and understand what I mean when I say he is a sick person. But instead you think I'm the one with the problem. Good for you.
Yeah that was the idea with Ronjo: nolinks.roulettewars.com/ronjo.html (nolinks://nolinks.roulettewars.com/ronjo.html) but Bago said Ronjo was me under a fake name, and Forester said Ronjo was just stupid. We have done this before. But Bago and Forester know that Herb is competent, and not me under a fake name. They will have no legs left. But history shows when they have no legs left, they resort to low acts of blatant lying and even publishing private material, or perhaps throwing personal insults even at my wife. If everyone knew these morons like I do, really they'd conclude they are sick, demented people for real. Mark Howe is the worst, with bago a close second, followed closely by forester. Really you have no idea how bad the lies are. Forester makes up things in his head. Howe's lies are off the chart. Bago has a good blend of plain stupidity with lies. Just compete idiots and I shouldnt waste time on them like I do.
:angel: Stevo ........... Some might be blinded ...I'm not
QuoteStevo ........... Some might be blinded ...I'm not
Jakk, you have never had anything to do with me, what I teach, or my computers. You are saying that I merely somehow fooled Ronjo, and that I attempted to fool lanky and his friend Iwonder when I sent them computers too. Yes I so have lots to hide, which kinda shows when I freely send computers so the truth can be known. Nevermind Jakk, quite disappointing.
And if you want to argue with Ken, please do it on a more relevant thread.
Quote from: Steve on August 11, 2010, 10:11:55 AM
Jakk, you have never had anything to do with me, what I teach, or my computers. You are saying that I merely somehow fooled Ronjo, and that I attempted to fool Lanky and his friend Iwonder when I sent them computers too. Yes I so have lots to hide, which kinda shows when I freely send computers so the truth can be known. Nevermind Jakk, quite disappointing.
And if you want to argue with Ken, please do it on a more relevant thread.
Whatever Steve.
I'll believe you if you show me in a live B & M casino under real conditions and not on video spins. About Ken......... tell him the same thing please!
"I bet you don't reply............if you do reply I bet you don't have names to put forward. Ken I don't see you as a troublemaker...........I see you as .......... well ............. an ass!" >>> I will work on this, I apologize. Have a great day sir. Ken (Now I see DJs point, lol)
Steve,
Yes, I will email more details later today when I land in LV.
Sorry for the delay. By the way it's a Mark six.
No problem herb, looking forward to it immensely.
PS - I've removed some posts from here that just arent relevant.
It will be nice to hear the Herb s opinion about ur RC Steve! He is an exelent Pro and his opinion is the best aout there!
Sorry I didn t folow everything here...Did u sent him ur RC to test it?
QuoteDid u sent him ur RC to test it?
No not yet, but looks like I will be. As per my previous post:
As with Ronjo, I am not interested in showing everything. If I wanted to do that, I would have done it already. All I want you to do is basic testing to prove my claims about the results from different diamond testing - ie to do the test that forester suggests to determine a roulette computer's effectiveness.Also:
I want to send you a very basic version of the roulette computer with the guts pulled out. Why? Because I barely know you or anything about you, and to refute the false claims. I'm not in this for the glory - I simply want you to clear a few things up.
Steve IMO, thats all is in vain. You know, if somebody pick you, no matter what reason is, they will find something to attack you. If you were perfect - then that will be a reason. Do you understund me?
You only add oil into fire and you will only provoce more and more attacks. And these attacks may not have any relevance and logic, they want to get you upset.
You can ignore them and I think thats is only way to stop, because they goal is to provoce you and when you are engry and explain big time on forums I realy think, then they are satisfied.
But if you stop to respond to every comment of them then they will evently stop trying.
Thats only my 2 cents.
GogoCro, you are absolutely correct and I know especially this: "You know, if somebody pick you, no matter what reason is, they will find something to attack you. If you were perfect - then that will be a reason."
The attacks are for a lot of reasons. And I know for sure they avoid the truth
My aims are simply to present the clearest proof possible, so people interested in the actual truth can find out for themselves.
Update on the situation: I've been testing at the online casino in question, and considering everything, in particularly actually doing it already, there wont be any problems of increasing bankroll 6x. Now I'm just waiting for snowman to verify he can login to the casino without a proxy. then I let him know the account name, so he can login and check everything - then I'll begin official play. Tony appears to be sweating a little based on his last email to me.
I'm back.
Let's get started. What do I need to do?
-Herb (Snowman)
Excellent.
1. The online casino challenge: First off see if you can login to the casino in question. If you cant, no problem we'll just use a proxy. Then I'll organize the account. You need only see the starting balance, the end balance, and the account history to show I havent just inflated the account balance by depositing money. From the time I start, it will take me roughly a month of play because I dont have time to play every day. There may be a period of no play for about 2 weeks as I'll be interstate, but the end result is the same: increase bankroll to stated levels.
2. The roulette computer testing: just let me know you understand that I'm sending a minimal version at least to start for reasons explained. Again I'm only wanting you to validate my claims, and refute rubbish that predictions are random blah blah. Such testing is very simple, and there are countless ways to determine if I somehow rugged the phones, or the accuracy is legit. For example, just try different spins. Or even try 10 particular spins and see the predictions on each of them, then repeat the 10 spins again and again. Plus that other testing I mentioned. I'll send you a pm about a few things.
Ok.
By they way, I still get to ban Mr. J (as per our agreeement), right? :thumbsup:
The agreement was you get 12.25% commission on all sales - dont go modifying it. Deep down, I know you and ken have sincere love for each other, way way, deep down. Somewhere.
I need the casino info.
Also, our agreememnt as that I would be a more powerful moderator than Mr. J. :thumbsup:
ps Herb, the casino name should not be specified at least until its all over. It's actually not my preferred online casino, and bago knows that, but he wanted to make it as difficult as possible. I have enough experience with the casino though to know it wont be a problem. Also there are things I wont mention at this stage.
I'll send you login details once the account and funds are all good to go as per the PM
Ok.
By the way, thanks for the new power too. :)
Herb I sent you account name. I'll begin asap but depending on my available time, sometimes I may go a few days or even a week or so without actually playing. If it was a casino of my choice, it would be a lot quicker and easier but I let bago have his way so he cant say I chose an easy casino.
Also i need your shipping address
Update?
Nothing has changed yet.
Quote from: Steve on August 19, 2010, 09:18:34 PM
ps Herb, the casino name should not be specified at least until its all over. It's actually not my preferred online casino, and bago knows that, but he wanted to make it as difficult as possible. I have enough experience with the casino though to know it wont be a problem. Also there are things I wont mention at this stage.
I'll send you login details once the account and funds are all good to go as per the PM
Must be Mick Dundee's casino way Outback! :lol:
Do you think he would want to make it easy? Well either way, the casino he selected isnt hard to beat - just more time consuming. I'll have to resume about 20th september, but herb knows the account name, and the transaction history isnt going anywhere.
Update:
Online casino challenge: I'm not far off completion for the online casino challenge. That's where bago gives me the casino name, and I increase the bankroll by 5x or so (could be 6x I have to check).
Bago heard I'm almost done, so he flipped out and started sending me hate emails. He claims I lost the challenge because I didnt complete within a month of commencing play. I did give a month as an approximation, but it was never a term which he knows - he's just looking for an excuse to redeem himself after losing the webcam challenge. Anyway whether 1000 or so spins is done in one part or in multiple parts, when the end bankroll is the same, its the same proof of effectiveness as we all know. Keep in mind herb knows the account name. He will have access to all transaction logs to prove the increased bankroll is due to winnings. Now to complete the challenge, I need only find time for a few consecutive days of play. This is what I told the poor guy:
QuoteI understand you're looking for a way out. You've done it every time when the truth slapped you.
One month was an approximation of actual play period, not a condition. In between I went on holidays and now to finish it I need only find the time for roughly a week or so of solid play. Like it or not you are not a priority - it is a game and you are the joke. 1000 spins all at once or in two 500 spin parts with the same results is equal proof of effectiveness, don't you agree? Of course you do. But it's not about truth - it never was. It was personal for you. Thats why you edited audio, thats why you refused to verify my assets and claimed I had a network of lying friends even at real estate offices, that's why you refused to see via webcam my computer and ffa hooked together and the list goes on.. you have avoided truth at every point. I could show you things about my life that would make you cry, but if you refuse the simplest things making excuses like about the real estate agents, certainly you'll pussy out and make excuses for anything else, and besides you are nobody - I would do it only to make fun of you although at times I do feel it is cruel, and at others justified because you're just a little t**d. But then I remember you are just a stupid kid, and waste of time.
Your attacks started out because you sincerely were just stupid and didnt know better. Now you know the truth, but it doesn't matter. You said yourself you'd never apologize, and that is a huge character flaw, but you have many to the point where I dont know how you're not in hospital. You just want petty revenge because you made yourself look like an idiot, many times. Or perhaps you really dont know, and I wouldnt put it past you because you really do appear to be very stupid - I mean literal mental illness, and many people have commented on your page and wording on forums thinking there really is something wrong with you. You and mark howe are incredibly alike. Of all people I've ever known, you have fallen on your face the most, I mean its phenomenal. You find it easier to blame me rather than yourself. I could go on and on about how stupid and f****d up you really are, but you are just a pathetic waste of time. Whether or not you finally accept that you are wasting your own life and directing your own failures on me, I dont care its not my wasted life.
Anyway not a neutral person would consider your excuse valid. Like I said, 1000 spins all at once or in two 500 spin parts with the same results is equal proof of effectiveness. Someone without integrity and who is a dishonest person like you would always be looking for an excuse.
If everyone say the kind of stuff bago wrotes, it doesn't take long to see there really is something wrong with him. He's beyond immature. He is sick, like the line he finishes his emails with is like that of a kid
"Bago, your owner, your king, your master forever." But you really need to read the full range of what the idiot comes out with to understand what he's like, and why nobody likes him.
Herb's testing of my roulette computer: I'm still waiting to get herb's shipping information. I've been waiting for a while and so far he's unresponsive to my direct requests.
Bago is really spitting the dummy in his emails to me. It appears forester is somewhat shitting himself too, unable to NOT twist everything around to suit his demented perception. I dont have time to address everything it said, but here's the bulk of it to illustrate the differences between the perception of someone with extreme prejudice and an incredibly ignorant pigheadedness, and reality:
* Bago found the page at nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/spins.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/spins.html) which is one of 4 methods players use to send me spins. He claims it is proof that my system relies on dealer signature. Bago doesn't know about segregation, and that taking all possible variables into account, you increase accuracy. Do I teach dealer signature? Hell yes. It is valid, but by no means is it all I teach (see nolinks.genuinewinner.com/gw.zip (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/gw.zip)). Only recently, forester discovered that he could incorporate dealer signature into vb for maximum accuracy... that's a combination of pattern types, which I call a custom variant. Hmm I thought "custom variants" were voodoo, according to him. And also recently, securityman at forester's site discovered you can combine bias analysis with vb for increased advantage... hmmm, more combination of patterns. This to me is basic stuff, and only now they realize the potential.
* Forester and bago seem to think nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/spins.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/spins.html) has something to do with bias analysis. Thick isnt the word. The form is a generic form used for various kinds of analysis. It is not intended for bias analysis because bias analysis requires more spins, and different data - for that, players use a different method of sending me spins. And I'm afraid forester doesn't know bias analysis like he thinks he does - what he quotes is straight out of Laurence Scott's books.
* My reference to 333,666,999 spins has nothing to do with the "devil" as clowns on a witch hunt would have you believe. It is that some of the analysis I do involves permutations divisible by 3. If you had 332 spins, it only means fewer permutations for analysis. A permutation is like combination, and they are used to determine
how variables affect other variables and ultimately spin outcomes. For people only just learning about segregation of data and combination of pattern types, when they criticized me for doing it, they wouldnt have the vaguest idea.
* My earliest reviews of forester's devices and material specifically stated I did not have his computer. So the review basically ended stating this, and that if anyone had further information to let me know. Whether or not I owned RSR at that stage I dont recall - it was years ago. But I did write the review. I eventually was sent one of forester's computers for free, and saw what rubbish it was, but I didnt care so I didnt bother to update the review. About a year later, forester just went on and on about how he king and stefano scammer, so I finally decided to update the review to reflect the new information I had about his rubbish. That's partly why he's so pissed off at me. Sure he says the review is dishonest, but the fact it is very closely reflects the review from Michael Barnett - this is the same case for FFA's review.
* Forester and bago know nothing about my vb methods. There are countless vb techniques and what I teach a player depends on the conditions they encounter.
* If a player can collect 300 spins per dealer, that's great, but it's not realistic. What poor bago doesn't understand is that the pattern types of any given wheel will be consistent. The actual patterns do vary over time. If you bother to incorporate dealers as a variable in your analysis, to adjust for a completely new dealer, you need only monitor around 10-20 spins. You can even get away with 5 or so spins, but there are countless variables so it's not always possible. What I teach players depends on the conditions they encounter, and always is it done on a 1 to 1 basis mainly via skype/phone.
* Part of what makes my methods special is the
modeling of the relationship between the variables, other variables, and spin outcomes. To do that properly, you need software I provide. Bago doesn't have a clue about this. He only recently learned about segregation, and his fellow morons only recently learned about combining pattern types. On the note of forester's forum, it looks more like a forum for people that have been banned elsewhere - or the league of "Steve haters". Some are just idiots that actually believe forester's and bago's rants without finding out for themselves. Anyway one day, they might learn about the dynamic nature of roulette, and how it is possible to model the relationship between the variables, other variables, and spin outcomes. At forester's site, everything they discuss is summed up in Laurence's books which is unfortunately old news. I respect Laurence but as I'm sure he himself would recognize, the material is rarely viable for modern casino conditions.
About my scope of business beyond roulette:* Mr Stalker (forester) and his kiddy sidekick Bago found another of my sites. On it I give brief information about some of what I do. They find it really hard to believe, poor things. Like one time at bandcamp, I told forester I developed an automated roulette computer that took timings from cameras. He laughed at me in disbelief. So I published the video... then he shut up.
Anyway my business scope is extremely diverse. It's hard to grasp for idiots like forester who builds a 2 second device and calls it "the best", and hard to grasp for a young french kid who's sole occupation is attacking others that make him look like a fool, and masturbation.
Some of what I do and have done beyond roulette is explained below:
*Portable heart rate monitors. These are devices that are an accessory to mobile phones. The phone runs java software, and the data is relayed to the phone via sensors. Not amazing technology, or even secretive at that. What makes it different is the GSM networks can be used to contact doctors or emergency services if heart activity is irregular. The entire project cost about $5000 from start to finish, and I've been selling the equipment for a while online. I wont release the websites because the next day clowns will be calling that a scam too.
* Lifter anti-gravity technology. See nolinks://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm (nolinks://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm)
Forester's take on my claims that I work on this kind of technology is that I claim to own spacecrafts. Well he's just an idiot. The lifter anti-gravity craft is the most widely replicated anti-gravity device. To build one, you need about 30,000v power source (such as from an old computer monitor), some aluminum foil, balsa wood, and copper wire. It'll cost you about $100 for everything you need. Years ago, to the best of my knowledge I was the first to create a "stacked lifter". Then later a group in china made a huge one which did far better than mine. I've been actively involved in energy research for a long time - most people know me as the guy who bought the original Rover vehicle which researcher Alex Shiffer converted to run on "free energy" - a photo of the vehicle is on my site. At this stage, I have been unable to fully replicate what Alex did - I only achieved a partial conversion which means running the vehicle on my power cell for a few minutes before it conked out.
* I work with a group of investors and divers in sydney to claim and search sunken vessels at sea. Whoopie doo. Is it a big deal? Forester's take on this is that I claim to cruise the Caribbean in my billion dollar yacht looking for sunken treasure... because he's an idiot and doesn't know any better. There are MANY groups that do this. I never never been on an actual expedition, and probably never will. At this stage my involvement is getting investors. The profits are quite good, and most income comes from sale of recovered items via ebay. I dont handle the sales or anything - again, just referring investors to the group in sydney.
* Hell yes winning $30k in a week playing roulette is possible. Some of my players have achieved this numerous times. It is not a regular week after week thing though. They may play one week a month and get only $5000. Then a month later, win $30,000 in a week. Anyone who is familiar with what goes on in casinos would know this is not at all uncommon. Who hasnt seen someone lose or win $5000 in one spin?
* Hell yes under my direction technicians (contractors) have designed an electronic kidney as substitute for dialysis. Because forester doesn't see outside his own world, he thinks I claim to have developed something that nasa couldnt. I didnt design it - a technician did. And unlike how forester's head interprets things, the artificial kidney is ultimately a fancy pump. It does NOT cycle blood like a normal dialysis machine. It uses the process called Peritoneal Dialysis (see nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peritoneal_dialysis (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peritoneal_dialysis)). This kind of blood cleansing is not new. Such a patient basically has the fluid with toxins filtered via other natural processes of the body. The waste then comes out of the patient, and into a little baggy which must be emptied regularly. What the artificial kidney does it pump the fluid into the patient's bladder, so they dont need to do it all manually. It is not remarkable or complex technology - it is simple. This is an old project though and what we learned was passed to another company developing the same kind of thing.
* Hell yes I sell roulette wheels and gaming equipment. I did market to casinos for a while, but couldnt possibly compete with direct distributors so now only to private sector. Mostly I purchase second hand wheels and have them refurbished so the ball rolls like new. This gives near new wheel performance, for half the price of a new wheel.
* Forester wants to know why I dont use my new velstone wheel in video demos. Well, bago saw it during the webcam demo.. I used that wheel because the difference in timing between one revolution and the next is about 90ms, whereas on a secondhand wheel it is about 200ms. The difference this makes is enormous, because for a computer to predict accurately, it has a much smaller time window to determine between one revolution and the next. At present, it sits in the back of my car ready for demos - it weighs a tonne so I dont bother moving it to and from the house. Sure I could do videos with it, but mostly I cant be bothered. Sales is not my focus.
* Forester said "There was a time when Stevo claimed how he is always surrounded with armed body guards to protect him his ideas and his money. Also to protect him from Mark Howe. "... what a load of shit. I never said that - clowns tend to take things out of context to suit their demented reality. All I said was that at some of my demos, I have a security guard. Whoopie. If you want to verify that, speak to the conference center staff at the "airport motel and convention center" near melbourne airport. That is an old venue I used for demos, but dont anymore because it's just too far for me to travel. As for mark howe, at one stage yes he was a concern, because he's f****d up and desperate. Now I know he cant even afford a plane ticket - perhaps at most $200 to rent a hummer for a fraudulent video.
* I took forester to court for stalking. I was not afraid of the idiot and made that clear. My application was to prevent him from doing what he did, including:
- driving by my property and taking a photo, then sending it to bago for publishing
- publishing my driver license photo which was sent to him by casino consultant Mike Barnett, who had access to the Griffin database which is used to track professional players.
- publishing private addresses
Although the application was dismissed, the judge made clear what he had done was consistent with the definition of stalking. What he said is at nolinks.roulettewars.com/io.wma (nolinks://nolinks.roulettewars.com/io.wma)
Ultimately the judge said while his behavior was unacceptable, it was not serious enough to hit him with criminal charges.
I did not bring a lawyer with me because:
a. I didnt want to pay one cent to explain what a pathetic moron was doing
b. It wouldnt have made any difference because the case was very simple
The peculiar thing is after the first hearing, we both agreed to keep things civil. And things were. Then Ronjo released his findings. Forester lost it, started attacking Ronjo, and then he unbanned Bago from RP so he could continue to attack me. Forester also broke another agreement I wont go into. Why? Because he's a sore loser acting like a kid. Too bad if the truth exposed him for what he was.
* Lucky_strike, you say I dont know jack shit about custom variants. Listen mate, the term "custom variant" was created by me. And as for bias analysis, rarely do my players use this because there are much better - quicker and more effective ways, to beat roulette.
So my friends over at RP, chow on that for a while. And while it doesn't change anything for you because you are just dickheads attacking me for your own personal reasons, and will continue to do so no matter what, at least everyone else can get another taste for what you really are.
10-12-10
Steve,
I still don't have the password or the account number. As I recall, you were going to get back to me with that information before the challenge started.
Please contact me with the info at xxxxxxxxxxxxx so that we can begin the challenge that you were going to do
Thanks,
Herb
Herb I sent it to you numerous times, how could you not receive it? I'll send it again, then please confirm you have the account name. I've reinstated your herb6 account - please no more stuffing around like before.
Once you confirm the account name, which will not change, you can check the balance from today onwards. So basically if the account balance was $100 today, that's the starting amount.
You do not need the password yet. You need only the account name. If you go logging in with a different ip, you raise security flags. The account history is not going anywhere, and I have no way to modify it. Buit perhaps bago might say i bribed the casino staff because that's the kind of idiot he is. He even said I bribe people at the real estate office when I insisted he verify a few things.
As for the roulette computer, I need to know your shipping address.
Ok email sent as below - a few things blanked out:
* The account name is "XXXXXXXXXXXXXX" - please keep this to yourself. And please confirm on the forum that you know the account name. From then, you can consider the start and end bankroll, and any transactions in between. Remember you'll be able to see the entire bankroll and bet history. Whether I do it in 1000 or 500 spins, 1 week or 10 weeks should not be an issue. The primary condition is the stated increase in bankroll (5 or 6x - one or the other, I'll need to check to see what the agreement was with bago).
* Please do NOT specify on any of the forums or to anyone the name of the casino. Only you, me and bago should know at this stage or at any time.
* Please send me your shipping address for the roulette computer. XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX. I'm not interested in you testing every little feature - just the diamond testing. I'll most likely be sending you a minimal build that has only the required features. If I wanted to show every little thing it can do, I would have done it already. My only interest is exposing lies. XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.
QuoteThe account name is xxxxxx - please keep this to yourself. And please confirm on the forum that you know the account name. From then, you can consider the start and end bankroll, and any transactions in between. Remember you'll be able to see the entire bankroll and bet history. Whether I do it in 1000 or 500 spins, 1 week or 10 weeks should not be an issue. The primary condition is the stated increase in bankroll (5 or 6x - one or the other, I'll need to check to see what the agreement was with bago).
Steve,
How will I know that you actually won the money and that you didn't just add money to your account. Don't I need a password to track the true account history?
QuoteHow will I know that you actually won the money and that you didn't just add money to your account. Don't I need a password to track the true account history?
All transactions are logged. When I'm done, I'll give you the password so you can see all transactions.
Also please send me your shipping address so I can send you my computer to test.
There are a what could be some big loopholes here.
Without the password, I can't really see what's going on with the account.
Are you planning on using an RC for this test?
Footage too bad for that.
Did you receive the account name?
Please send your shipping address.
And you do not need to see things on a day to day basis. Remember, the transaction history is all there, day by day, bet by bet. You will see it all. I just cant change that. The password at the end is all you need to see all the history. Besides hacking the server or bribing the casino staff, explain to me how there is potential for loophole in such circumstances.
PS - again please dont mention casino names.
QuoteAnd you do not need to see things on a day to day basis. Remember, the transaction history is all there, day by day, bet by bet. You will see it all. I just cant change that. The password at the end is all you need to see all the history. Besides hacking the server or bribing the casino staff, explain to me how there is potential for loophole in such circumstances.
Without a password, I can't log into the account. This means that I can't verify that the money was actually won and not just deposited or transferred into the account. How would I know whether or not you had just found a clever way to transfer money into the account in order to create the illusion of a win?
Looking back after the fact really doesn't prove much, does it? I'd rather see the day by day progress as it happens.
There appears to be just too many holes in this kind of a test.
I will forward my shipping info.
-Herb
QuoteWithout a password, I can't log into the account. Therefore, I can't verify that the money was actually won and not just deposited into the account. Looking back after the fact really doesn't prove much, does it? I'd rather see the day by day progress as it happens.
Again if you log in with a completely different ip, it red flags the account. That's why you only login at the end. Keep in mind that:
1. The account name will not change
2. The history on a day by day and bet by bet basis will all be there. You can even see individual bets.
Explain to me how there is potential for a loophole under these circumstances. You say there are too many holes. Please explain 2.
Please confirm you received the account name.
Please send me your shipping address.
I'd rather see the play as it took place live. Via a live feed on MSN or Chat etc, you could specify your bet at each spin. This way someone like Bago could not dispute your results.
This way, I could verify the results were real as well.
QuoteThis way, I could verify the results were real.
Herb are you saying I could fabricate the transaction history inside the account, even though you login and check it all for yourself? Dont you think if I could do that, there's nothing stopping me doing it on a day by day basis? And it is just not practical to do it via live webcam with you, sitting hour after hour.
Please dont ignore the following:
Please confirm you received the account name.
Please send me your shipping address.
Here's how I'm willing to verify the test is real.
1. Live test only.
2. Via MSN etc...You can provide the predictions before the ball lands at each spin.
This way, you can have results that even Bago can't dispute.
Herb, bago already agreed to the terms. All you need to do is login to the account and check the history. Anyone could do that. It's you because bago trusts you.
Please confirm you received the account name.
Please send me your shipping address.
1. The account name will not change
2. The history on a day by day and bet by bet basis will all be there. You can even see individual bets.
Explain to me how there is potential for a loophole under these circumstances. You say there are too many holes. Please explain 2.
This is not about what you'd rather do or what you find acceptable. It is a very simple thing.
Apparently, Bago lacks the ability to foresee potential flaws with the test.
Positive test results using the proceedure that you have described could prove that your method works, however, it could also prove that you are just very clever.
Let me do some research over the next 24 hours. I'll get back to you tomorrow at this time.
By the way, what's wrong with simply doing a live test?
Thanks,
Herb. :)
QuoteApparently, Bago lacks the ability to foresee potential flaws with the test.
even he understands the bet and transaction history is very detailed, and realistically I'm not going to be able to change the bet history and transaction logs.
QuoteBy the way, what's wrong with simply doing a live test?
Mainly it would mean sitting online with you for hours at a time, even though our timezones are completely opposite - it's hard enough for me to find the time for this nonsense (days and weeks of focus), let alone coordinate mutually convenient times with you to be online when you're a world away.
Please confirm you received the account name.
Please send me your shipping address.
Quoteit's hard enough for me to find the time for this nonsense
How could it be nonsense ? If I go back and read u even offer some % for some one like H to verify the truth behind u RC ...
It would mean the world if some one like H or any other as Kelly would confirm the true nature behind u RC.
I assume that is the hole point - to find some one special wish no one would dear argue against and come with back talk or negative tendency towards and about u RC.
You make the titel and the post as stiky then how much nonsense is that "
Herb's (Snowman) Testing of my computer" if i might ask as i would like to know what the point is to let some one special or any one as averge JOE verify or not verify u RC being the real thing or just one other false positive.
Curios O_o
Se my response below in blue:
Quote from: I have cookies on October 13, 2010, 01:07:53 AM
How could it be nonsense ?
If I go back and read u even offer some % for some one like H to verify the truth behind u RC ...
I never offered anyone anything for validations. Please, show me any supporting information for that ridiculous claim.
It would mean the world if some one like H or any other as Kelly would confirm the true nature behind u RC.
I assume that is the hole point - to find some one special wish no one would dear argue against and come with back talk or negative tendency towards and about u RC.
The point is to expose false claims - nothing more. I said that with ronjo, and I'm saying it again here. If I wanted to show everything my computers could do, I would have done it already.
You make the titel and the post as stiky then how much nonsense is that "Herb's (Snowman) Testing of my computer" if I might ask as I would like to know what the point is to let some one special or any one as averge JOE verify or not verify u RC being the real thing or just one other false positive.
Your question is not clear. But this may help: anyone can do basic testing. It is not at all difficult. Ronjo had more than enough experience to do what he did. But he was attacked, accused of being incompetent, and even accused of being me under a fake name.
QuotePeople like you tend to believe rubbish from clowns rather than use your own head, so you direct attacks at me rather than the people that manipulate you.
Steve I will reply to this statment later today and then u will be given the oppertunity not to twist the truth.
1. We will compare u effort and how u meet the public arena.
2. We will discuss math and the false postives and see if we can make a clear overview about what is what.
3. I also have to add this involve the fault regarding your CVs.
Things does not have to be complex - we just flip the coin a coupel of times with statments and words and see how the hide and seek will unfold it self.
4. RC is no mystery at all and same apply to AP in generall.
I wont be a low life but sure will argue aginst how u twist things and run u service and deal with u costumers.
I can give simpel exampels how to offer better solutions towards what u offer - wait and see.
If u belive that u know my mind and that u or any other can twist it you will notice how deadly wrong u are Steve.
O_o
Not a problem. Keep it simple, to the point, keep pride out of it, and follow a logical progression of questions and answers, and keep an open mind... then you'll come to the conclusion that your negative opinion of me is based on assumptions, inaccurate and/or incomplete information, and general ignorance. How do I know this? Because I know my own business.
QuoteNot a problem. Keep it simple, to the point, keep pride out of it, and follow a logical progression of questions and answers, and keep an open mind... then you'll come to the conclusion that your negative opinion of me is based on assumptions, inaccurate and/or incomplete information, and general ignorance. How do I know this? Because I know my own business.
The first issue I have and as u put it - u know how to run u businnes.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/free-roulette-wheel-analysis-software/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/free-roulette-wheel-analysis-software/)
This teach no body anything about the game and my opinion is just a way to milk money out of pepole.
The point is that there is a difference to teach and to milk money out of pepoles lack of knowledge.
That is issue one.
Example with out any need to prove my point is that I could among others offering any one to send us data wish we could verify if it is a false positive and due to random fluctuation or if it is a true bias.
Then we could do a deal wish is that two of us split the risk and winnings.
As u notice that is with out to teach some one anything - but is based upon knowledge and math wish is based upon the best there is when it comes to beat modern wheels with bias with out defect spoting.
So what it comes down to with this simple example that u prove noting to hold this knowledge u just offering u service with out to prove that there is ponitential to find true bias and not end up with a trap wish is a false positive.
In relation to this we can mention Forester at myrulet wish teach and offer explanation and not offer a service wish milk pepole on money.
He has a nice section with a VB method and DS wish novice pepole can learn from and that is just among other good things.
He speak about the game and put up with charts and explanations and help pepole and introduce them to what it is all about.
That is a good sign.
This is about how you use your knowledge and name when u run a businnes and show a variations of spectrum of colours wish lead to if or if not u are a clown.
This is just a simple impression on a low level.
O_o
I have sugestion, instal VPN and Herb can look every day on his own PC what is going on.
VPN has 2 settings;
1. Remotly ful acces of Steve pc
2. Only to look what Steve is doing without access (monitoring only)
Also, I have opinion on roulette computers and other helping devices.
We can draw a pararel:
I sell magic helping box with varius sensors what have color leds and beeps.
Buyer if wins he must send me 50% of his winnings.
Well, thats how this "ilusion" works..selling luck. Is a buyer sure that device helped him or is it only being lucky?
And buyer can not tell anybody that he purchased device.
Is roulette computer sellers selling luck?
Well are we going to continue this or not ?
O_o
Relax cookies, I dont live at my computer.
Firstly Gogocro, your suggestion is just impractical for the same reasons I explained to herb, and it's not even needed unless you think I have the ability to change the casino's log files. And besides, there's no way I'd give anyone access to see what I do on my computer 24/7 or at any time. As for roulette computers, if you dont believe they are effective, so be it.
Cookies, see my response below in blue:
QuoteThe first issue I have and as u put it - u know how to run u businnes.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/free-roulette-wheel-analysis-software/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/free-roulette-wheel-analysis-software/)
This teach no body anything about the game and my opinion is just a way to milk money out of pepole.
Ok so giving people FREE software to conduct a proper bias analysis is milking people of money. I'm not sure your point is good.
The point is that there is a difference to teach and to milk money out of pepoles lack of knowledge.
That is issue one.
Your argument is ridiculous. So I give away free software to milk people of money. Hmm.
Example with out any need to prove my point is that I could among others offering any one to send us data wish we could verify if it is a false positive and due to random fluctuation or if it is a true bias.
Then we could do a deal wish is that two of us split the risk and winnings.
Do you have my bias analysis software? Until you do, you are in no position to judge. Have I ever taught you bias analysis? Until I do, you are in no position to judge.
As u notice that is with out to teach some one anything - but is based upon knowledge and math wish is based upon the best there is when it comes to beat modern wheels with bias with out defect spoting.
Read my above statement. Then read my earlier statement about ignorance. You dont know what you're talking about.
So what it comes down to with this simple example that u prove noting to hold this knowledge u just offering u service with out to prove that there is ponitential to find true bias and not end up with a trap wish is a false positive.
Again, you know nothing about what I teach.
In relation to this we can mention Forester at myrulet wish teach and offer explanation and not offer a service wish milk pepole on money.
What do you think nolinks.genuinewinner.com/truth.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/truth.html) is? Why do you think I try to explain to people on my forums why things like progression dont work?
And cookies, forester sells a device for almost $2000 and it takes him about an hour to assemble. It costs him no more than $100 for time and parts. His not running a business?
As for what he teaches at his site, it is straight out of laurence scott's book. Why dont you go and make money with it? Or perhaps what I said about modern casino conditions is accurate. Maybe get his ffa and make some money, but then you realize you cant on the average wheel with it. See nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm (nolinks://nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/comparison.htm) so you understand the differences between a computer for modern conditions to deal with scatter and variation of ball behavior, and a 2 second coding job.
He has a nice section with a VB method and DS wish novice pepole can learn from and that is just among other good things.
Yes, for novices. I can explain what his computer does AND his vb methods in a paragraphs. And I've never heard of anyone achieving sustained winnings with either his impractical vb methods, or his simplistic devices.
He speak about the game and put up with charts and explanations and help pepole and introduce them to what it is all about.
That is a good sign.
...and again, I've never heard of anyone achieving sustained winnings with either his impractical vb methods, or his simplistic devices.
This is about how you use your knowledge and name when u run a businnes and show a variations of spectrum of colours wish lead to if or if not u are a clown.
Your english and points are all over the place. Your logic is unsound, and you really dont know what you're talking about. honestly I thought you would come up with something at least remotely more sound that this.
This is just a simple impression on a low level.
Yes, it is a simple impression on a low level. Please dont waste my time with it. Keep it to yourself. Usually people start off with their best points - maybe you started on the wrong end. If that's the kind of rubbish that gives you a low opinion of me, just please wake up. But I have extensive experience in dealing with people that have unsound logic, so perhaps just go away because I cant progress with someone who doesnt see past their nose
Steve,
At the end of the test will you provide me with the password to the account so that I can review the betting history?
Will this history show the bets on the numbers as they were made and the amounts bet on each of the numbers?
I DO know the user name that you have sent me. Of course, I don't have any way to monitor the activity of the user name until after the test.
-Herb
QuoteAt the end of the test will you provide me with the password to the account so that I can review the betting history?
YES
Will this history show the bets on the numbers as they were made and the amounts bet on each of the numbers?
YES
I DO know the user name that you have sent me.
Excellent then.
Of course, I don't have any way to monitor the activity of the user name until after the test.
Not during, but you will see the entire account history - right down to individual bets. Everything can be viewed by date, so you'll know if I used an ancient account, or if the winnings are from today onwards. I have test accounts and had no problem building to the required bankroll and the patterns are sound, but the account you know of is financial with real money.
How would you like to proceed with the roulette computer? Testing everything you need should take perhaps 1 hour. As I keep saying, I'm only interested in you confirming my claims and refuting bullsh*t. I have no interest in showing every little thing.
Depending on where you are, I could send a partner to meet you with a computer and you can do whatever tests you need in front of him.
Regarding the online testing:
What is your starting bankroll?
What is the amount you plan opn trying to win? Is it 30k?
Regarding the RC:
I'm in the US.
-Herb
For that information I'll send a PM but please keep it private (PM sent now). You'll see every little detail in the transaction history though. Also where in the USA? Just city name is fine.
Platte City, Missouri.
Will have to see who I know in that area but it's kind in the middle of nowhere.
Alternatively I just send you a minimal build with only the components you need. I'll also send you a test dvd with perfectly level wheel which will be needed for realistic results. If you use a wheel with tilt, the decel curve is wavey, which leads to a larger spread. You'll find if you use the same diamond, predictions are comfortably within 3 pocket arc. Switch to another diamond, then it may be a few pockets off the original diamond, but close together for same diamond. You dont get that effect on a level wheel unless there is improper calibration.
It was only sugestion since herb wanted to do only some kind of live test. You do not have to gove full access of your computer. Herb can see on his monitor when you log into casino and show him transaction history or even more if he desire, so only when you log in casino and he can not do nothing in your computer only to look what you see on the screen.
In my personal opinion your sugestion to provide him password so herb can see all transactions history is enough, so do not get me wrong.
You steve made this challange public. Why starting bankroll and estimate of winnings is a secret?
It is not a secret, I just dont want it revealed until the end for reasons I wont explain until later. People not knowing it until later makes no difference to the outcome or integrity of the challenge.
Fine Steve, you know better how to act in challangee and I admit that you have to be a careful.
I wish you all the best in challange and eager to see result.
Herb, I'm still waiting for your shipping address. Please provide it so we can proceed.
"Your credibility should really boost his sales" >>> Funny you mention that. In the last two years, you would be surprised how many roulette systems (for sale), so-n-so wanted me to attach MY NAME to it. I said no to all offers. Not many, around five. Ken
QuotePlease stop with the name calling fellas. Ken
Ken,
You wrote the above, after you had the nerve to post what was written below.
Now. do you seriously believe they are going to listen to you or respect you as a moderator?
Think again! :rtfm:
It's beyond me as to why Steve would have you as a moderator. It definitely doesn't reflect well on him or his methods and products that he is offering for sale.
Since Steve believes you are such a good moderator, he should have you test his computer for him.
Your credibility should really boost his sales.
Be sure to send him your address soon.
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Shit cant be saved, only squashed and stepped on. Thats you Sownjob, one big pile of LYING bullshit. Ken
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"Where have you been?" >>> At your sisters house, f*****g her. Ken
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She even said I f****d her better than you did!!
Ken
Herb,
1. You said "At this point in time I have zero interest in testing Steve's computer as long as Mr. J is a moderator on this forum.". You have been evasive since day one, mostly just ignoring my requests for your shipping address. Ken hasnt put a foot wrong as mod. Not to offend you at all, but before you criticize another moderator for doing something wrong when your accusations are unfounded, consider your own moderation of GG, which is know to be pretty much unmoderated - even on a CLOSED forum. Among other things you even allowed Howe to post under hijacked accounts when it was so incredibly obvious.
2. I have asked you again and again and again for your shipping address for the roulette computer. You ignored my requests. Why you did this has nothing to do with ken - you were doing it since before he was mod. I have watched you avoid testing, while claiming you are not avoiding it. There have been numerous people contacting me privately telling me this is how it seems.
3. You have blatantly breached forum rules, including but not limited to hijacking threads, reversing moderator changes, repeatedly, when you started the thread and repeatedly ignoring my requests to keep your conflict with ken at GG - but even after infringing posts of yours were removed, you re-posted them. You have attacked ken and brought the conflict here, despite my many requests to avoid this. You were banned from vls before I was admin for various unacceptable behavior. Regardless of unfinished business with you, I've reinstated the ban from before I was admin.
4. It does not require experience to click a button and report results. Ronjo already did that. He is well known to have integrity. He doesn't have enemies and is neutral. Also you say you dont know any of my computer players. Perhaps that's because 99% of them adhere to the NDAs they sign. As you know, I was going to send you latest versions of forester's FFA for comparative testing, and one of my versions.
And for the record, @ Kelly, as I said many times, I have no interest in showing everything my computers are capable of. Why would I be? I was only ever interested in refuting false claims
I do not understund why you want to test your computers in such way, I mean who care? Maybe potential buyers but you do not sell computers any more, do you? And I know what you said, to refute lies..but its all in vain..IMO
Gogo, why test them publicly?
1. To get more partners
2. People that take the time to visit me are for sure more serious players, especially ones that travel overseas. Generally international travelers who visit me and have a team ready are virtually assured of partnership, which means free roulette computers.
3. I do sell computers still - $30,000 for latest version. One of the earlier versions will be free soon because it is just no comparison, but doesn't include firmware anyway which is needed unless you play on wheels that are ridiculously easy to beat. I am not anywhere near as interested in sales because they are a one-time payment.
4. Refuting false claims
ps - 5 seats booked already. People need to move fast if they want to attend.
oops gogo I thought you were talking about the public demo. For the other testing, it was already done with ronjo.
Thanks Steve for answers, I understund.
Anyway, I would like to see result from challange if is still on.
For the online casino, challenge is still on - I have been too busy with important things though for now, but the account and all account history is not going anywhere.
For the roulette computer, I'm tired of asking again and again and again for herb's shipping address. For whatever reason, he has just been avoiding it. Several others have even contacted me privately to say this is. If he cant be reliable about such a simple thing, I can trust him to be reliable about anything else.
I'm not interested in herb. He broke forum rules and gave a ridiculous ultimatum asking me to ban ken.
Herb, I'll leave you with this.. anyone with a sound mind can review all the information, and see very clearly everything I've been saying is true. 100% of the system I teach is ballistic in nature, and while I teach traditional AP too, I teach methods beyond it.
As for the computer, you refused to give your shipping address. Many people contacted me privately to say it looks like you're doing all you can to avoid it. Who knows why . Nevertheless, Ronjo's testing is adequate.
Whats hilarious is, Herbie isn't basing his opinion of what you do on his testing of your computer or your methods, even though he had the opportunity to do so handed to him on a silver platter. Apparently, actual testing is beyond his limited capacities. Instead, he gets himself banned and then goes on GG and proclaims you to be a scammer, based on absolutely no testing whatsoever. This whole affair certainly casts a new light on Snowman and his 'experience' as a roulette expert. I'm starting to think Ken has been right about him all along. No wonder Snowman tried everything he could to shut him down, Ken had his number all along.
Yes, like I said: "But it doesn't matter to people that have other motives, like revenge for being banned for childish behavior"
Herb is deleting posts at GG and keeping his response, so I wont bother posting there further.
yes ok
Understood ken. Like I dont hate howe, forester or bago either, but they despise me and why? Because they fall on their face with the truth, and as such, need to get all personal with things like publishing private information. I never resorted to that. It's only what sore losers do as a last resort. As for snowman/herb, only recently I started to see what you were on about with him - you were right. Anyway he's gone now.
Pity.
Snowman posts that Steve is a bad guy on GG and when Steve responds, Snowman whines about it, saying 'Shut Up'! Stay on your own forum!' Crazy stuff, man. LOL!
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I dont know.. it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Now Snowman is complaining that you're 'wasting his time' with all of this! Is he joking?? He made hundreds of posts here under how many different names? He caused trouble under how many different names? And he's complaining that YOU'RE wasting HIS time? You have go to be kidding........................
Cheese there are many people that have issues. To him, in this case, it is revenge for being banned, although he clearly broke forum rules
I see Forester has chimed in on GG. Is anybody surprised that Snowman and Forester are thick as thieves? Now you can see whats been behind all of this.
They have a common interest (they dont like me)
In response to forester's nonsense, I'll just say the public testing proved he has been misleading people.
Snowman does something as a mod that I would never do....abuse mod status. Over at GG (as you have seen) he slams a person (Steve) and then LOCKS it. Thats called abusing your power. The exact thing he said I would do, but never did. Unreal, I couldn't mod like that. He knows that Brian does not do alot of checking in on him so those are his stunts. Pity, indeed. Ken
Last was, he will prove to Snowman, is current and it happened exactly as I predicted.>>>
So Forester predicted Snowman would weasel his way out of the test and run the other way? Wow, he IS good.
When people have ulterior motives, that's just how it is. If all this was a matter of truth, it would have been over a long time ago.
Quote from: Steve on October 25, 2010, 10:58:50 PM
ooh this one is funny. Last time I promise. Forester is shitting himself about the public demo. See below: Forester's comments and the truth below it in blue:
As it was proven many times before when Stefano promises that he will prove something.
Following his pattern past 5 years it is always same and very predictable.
I'll list just few examples
He will prove it to PJ, never happend
Ha! PJ posted claiming I didnt meet him, that I was just full of it blah blah. So I said right, let's meet and I'll show you this week. PJ ran away. I even published his emails. Forester doesn't want to point that out - it doesn't suit him
He will prove it to Viper on a webcam, didn't happened Viper asked him to show both hands on camera to see clocking and that he simply is not manipulating test, after that results were random.
The spin was changed too. We never went back to the original spin. And the results were not random. They were as below:
1. 100% on same half of wheel, which were only EQUAL to results from FFA as shown at nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/ddt.htm (nolinks://nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/ddt.htm)
2. For the same diamond, the results were very close together. What does this establish?
I. The computer can accurate process timings
ii. The results were just due to insufficient calibration
We calibrated on one spin, then the second trial was on a significantly different spin.
You know all this forester. You lost. You try to hide the truth, and claim I was somehow cheating. Viper doesn't understand shit, as you know. You do, but you are selective of what you state you know, because you are a liar.
TELL ME HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT FOR EACH OF THE DIAMONDS, THE PREDICTIONS WERE VIRTUALLY ON TOP OF EACH OTHER? You know it forester. It is as I state, and what you claim is proof of scam is the opposite, because you manipulate people that just dont know any better. you know you are doing this. you understand it.
Stefano claims but before that results were ok, does it really count?
Yes, to anyone who is neutral and understands the truth.
He will prove it to Bago, same happened, couldn't test what at he was asked to do only pre-set patterns.
Same happened, yes! The results were as I stated. All predictions were in something like a 12 pocket arc, as opposed to your 18 pocket arc. Plus when the same diamond was used, easily almost all within 3 pocket arc. Why? Because the wheel is not level - the deceleration is not linear. You know this, you lost. You know you get that kind of result when either the computer is not calibrated, or if wheel is not level as it was. Bago doesn't understand shit either. Anyone that understands the dynamics of roulette computer prediction would know that every bit of the data verifies my claims.
He will prove it to Laurance Scott, never happened
Laurence declined, not me. He clearly stated to me he didnt need to test it because he had no reason to disbelieve me - he knows from his own personal experience of developing roulette computers on mobile phones that they are fine with the required mods. He gave his opinion of your computer too, but we'll leave that one alone.
Last was, he will prove to Snowman, is current and it happened exactly as I predicted.
One he will never make 30k online. Two he will never supply roulette computer to Snowman for real testing.
Read back on this thread. He refused to give shipping address, then gave me an ultimatum to remove ken as moderator, or he'll never do testing. He was doing all he could to back out, then as a last resort, gave me a pathetic ultimatum.
As for the online casino test, it is still going you nitwit, unless snowman runs away again.
In few months he will get another attack how he will prove it.
Same pattern repeats on and on. It's been 5 years.
5 years, and I've provided proof after proof, and you made excuses the whole time. Even when I did the testing at nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/ddt.htm (nolinks://nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/ddt.htm) you said "oh he must have deliberately stuffed up FFA's clicks"... despite me even showing the clicks in-screen. Then I did the testing with same switch combined at nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/ddt.htm (nolinks://nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/ddt.htm) and you said I must have cheated somehow... because there was no lava lamp. Anyone can see the video is legitimate. And they can see all the points explained at nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/ddt.htm (nolinks://nolinks.roulettecomputers.com/ddt.htm) are true. You were exposed as a liar, you are pathetic and busting your arse trying to hide it. You should be ashamed of yourself, but you are a lying pig who cant stand for people to know what he is. Take responsibility for your lies and deception - take it like an adult, but instead you fight it and attack an honest person.
You blew a fuse when ronjo did testing - that's when you started attacking him calling him incompetent, because his test results proved you are a liar.
Almost forgot, remember all his bragging how he will embarrass me at court in front of judge to prove how his computer works. How stupid was that?
How stupid are you. I never had intentions to show any such thing to the judge - it was completely irrelevant. But when you crapped on to the judge saying I was a scammer and that my computer didnt work, and how that you are a god and know it all,.. that's when I said to the judge "if he wants to bring up that kind of junk, even when he has no idea - if the judge feels it is relevant, I';ve got all the equipment needed for testing." I of coruse knew the judge wasnt interested - I was making the point that you speak irrelevant shit.
Again you are blowing a fuse because of the public demo. I have recorded many of them. This one will be made crystal clear, then again you can claim "oh he must have had only his relatives there". You are pathetic. The offer for you to attend is also there, but bet your arse you are too chickenshit to attend.
WHEN I SAW YOU IN PERSON THE FIRST TIME, I SAID I WANT TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU. YOU SAID LET'S GO, RIGHT NOW. EVEN PJ SAID THAT WAS A JOKE. I DONT HAVE PIGS IN MY HOME. I SAID WE'D ORGANIZE A VENUE. BUT YOU HAD A FLIGHT TO CATCH. PJ REFUSED TO MEET ME. YOU LIED ON YOUR SITE SAYING I REFUSED TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU. SO THEN NEXT TIME I MET YOU IN PERSON, I WALKED UP TO YOU AND SAID LET'S DO THE DEMO RIGHT NOW - I HAVE EVERYTHING HERE. YOU REFUSED, AND I RECORDED IT IN CASE YOU LIED AGAIN. BUT YOU WERE HAPPY TO SIT WITH ME FOR HOURS TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE.
Too bad forester, you are a liar. You have misled many people for so long. Anyone who actually follows the details and/or visits me in person to see for themselves considers you nothing more than a joke.
Just remember something forester, I dont give a shit about attacking you. If I did, I wouldnt involve the law. I am defending myself against your lies. You do everything you can to attack me. I dont give a stuff about you and wish you would reciprocate. Even the judge said your behavior was consistent with stalking - only pigs do what you do. And still I never did anything like you did. Only defend myself.
Like it or not, like what happened with ronjo, you will be exposed again. You will spit the dummy, again. But take it like an adult - you are a lair, and you are being exposed.
Sorry Steve, put I MUST point out the ONLY time ANYBODY can reply in blue is when I put Gizmo in his place.....
Oh wait, your Admin ok, it's the greatest NONE "playing" gift that Lanky ever gave....
>>Snowman does something as a mod that I would never do....abuse mod status.>>
Why do you think nobody posts at GG anymore. Snowman is a terrible mod, he has no idea what he's doing. Nobody dares to post because it will probably get flushed. Ken is a better mod than Snowman ever thought of being, he's very fair.
Xman, I'd respond if i had any idea what you meant.
As for ken being a mod, truly snowman certainly is a terrible mod. GG is one of the least productive forums around, and the most un-moderated, with abuse and all... and snowman is the mod. Go figure. Like I said before, Ken never put a foot wrong as mod. Sure some people dont like him, and I dont agree with a lot of what he says, but it makes no difference. Nevertheless, I created a poll based on herb's complaints, and ken won very easily. So herb modified the poll and stuffed around, later promising he'd behave - but he didnt.
Quote from: xman1970 on October 25, 2010, 11:20:04 PM
Sorry Steve, put I MUST point out the ONLY time ANYBODY can reply in blue is when I put Gizmo in his place.....
Oh wait, your Admin ok, it's the greatest NONE "playing" gift that Lanky ever gave....
So Steve is really Lanky?... wow, now there's a turn up! :sarcastic:
...And people used to think I was Steve.
Bombus, we are all Steve, that filthy little scammer. We are all part of the same universal consciousness. Either that, or I should stop eating Cacti.
it all gets better... In the last few days, 3 players that were previously banned have requested to be reinstated as players, and have expressed they know I didnt scam them. Some expressly said they were indeed manipulated by people like forester.
One of them had their name plastered on Howe's website, with Howe claiming he said:
I would like you to help me and my family, I have asked Stefano for a refund several times, but he says I do not know how to use system properly. At his site he says he gives guaranteed refund of $100,000 if his system does not work. I just want my $2000 back for my poor family to feed them. Please send this proof to the correct authorities to deal with this criminal and get me monies back please.
Its all a big sob story, right? Well when the player contacted me, I asked him if he really said that, and he said:
I never wrote that, there says that I need the money to feed my POOR family, I never said that to that guy
I never said this, I dont understand
To which I responded:
Yes it did sound like the kind of thing mark howe made up. Now you have a better understanding of what he is like.
I ADMIT, I went down that road of guessing wrong (it was a while ago, lol). For a long time, I thought Spike was Brian. :o There are a few posters here that are from the past or other boards but have different names. NOT causing any trouble but they wanted to start fresh. (I know this because they told me via email) A few you would most likely pass out knowing. lol I won't post it cause I made a promise to 'them' which I will keep. Ken
Not many people freely admit to making mistakes, or apologizing. The ones with integrity and honesty do. The ones who are arrogant with too much pride tend to hang on to every little thing they can, continue to deceive and attack people, and even get personal.
Quote from: Mr J on October 26, 2010, 12:11:37 AM
I ADMIT, I went down that road of guessing wrong (it was a while ago, lol). For a long time, I thought Spike was Brian. :o There are a few posters here that are from the past or other boards but have different names. NOT causing any trouble but they wanted to start fresh. (I know this because they told me via email) A few you would most likely pass out knowing. lol I won't post it cause I made a promise to 'them' which I will keep. Ken
And you thought I was Steve, and you ripped me and others for "posting differently on other forums", which you are now guilty of.
It's Ok, I just pointing it out as truth. :)
I once thought I was a camembert and it turns out I'm really a cheddar. Who knew.. :lol:
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Quote from: cheese on October 26, 2010, 12:31:05 AM
I once thought I was a camembert and it turns out I'm really a cheddar. Who knew.. :lol:
You're better off, camambert is.... SHIT!
Yep, Bombus and I do apologize. I have also been correct regarding a few as well. Who knows fellas? With all the s**t going on in the world, roulette is not at the top of our lists. I have medical care, family, friends, food, clean drinking water, clothes, a roof over my head and I live in a safe country/neighborhood. Those are the important things, IMO. Ken
You're better off, camambert is.... SHIT! >>
Hardly...
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Winters not even here yet and look whats happened to Snowman.
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lol you've gotta have a sense of humour about all this
Quote from: Mr J on October 26, 2010, 12:35:43 AM
Yep, Bombus and I do apologize. I have also been correct regarding a few as well. Who knows fellas? With all the s**t going on in the world, roulette is not at the top of our lists. I have medical care, family, friends, food, clean drinking water, clothes, a roof over my head and I live in a safe country/neighborhood. Those are the important things, IMO. Ken
No worries.
Yes those are things worthy of gratitude.
Aww grouphug.. bottomfeederbombus, scamopolous, and ken the sister f*cker. who cut the cheese in here?
"ken the sister f*cker" >>> :give_heart:
Quote from: Mr J on October 26, 2010, 02:03:55 AM
"ken the sister f*cker" >>> :give_heart:
Here's my sister. Knock yourself out Mr j...
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I'd still hit it. :spiteful:
wtf? you wouldnt even be able to use talcum powder to find that one
QuoteI'd still hit it.
On a bad day, yeah, perhaps same here. But damn those lights had better be off.
On second inspection of the photo, I'm not so sure about it. With the combination of loads of wine, a bad day, no lights, then I guess.
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Herb wishes he had a sister that looked this good.
Geez can we stop putting that image here? It gives me mixed emotions and makes me confused.
A candid shot of Herbs sister.
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Walnuts are shit too. Plastic grapes can be fun though... but what are those little Spikes on the left...hmmm?
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Dammit would someone please post something pleasant.. serenity now..
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This is the most pleasant image I can come up with.
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First of all, most of you guys only knows snow from these message boards and not as someone who has been in advantage play for several decades. How do i know that he has actually been there for so long time ? Because he knows and has played with several known european AP players including Kaisan who also haunted US soil. And most importantly they know him too, its not names that turns up on the internet. They are all in the age area of 55 - 65 today and i wouldn`t be surprised if snow is in that age too. Phrases like "Pauls point" comes to mind, who was Paul ? Ask snow or Kaisan, they might tell you because "Paul" is someone they both know and PP was a phrase that sprung to reaity some 25 years ago.
Snow also created a 184 A4 pages compendium on biased wheels that he took off the market several years ago. When i run through my own library of Roulette documents, snows creation is by far the best and most extensive piece of work on biased wheels, new and old style. And my library includes Scott and Basieux which are both exellent writers.
You all hate hime because he keeps coming at you with the house edge even though you are all screaming LEAVE US ALONE!!!! Personally im past th house edge vendetta and i don`t quite understand why snow bothers, but mind you:
There are more to the persons writing in here than just a nick name and a avatar.
Quote from: Kelly on October 30, 2010, 02:23:41 AM
You all hate hime because he keeps coming at you with the house edge...
I don't hate him at all, and what's more, I wish I had his book! :)
As he says; The entire stock accidentially went up in flames. (Its a pdf script) :-)
Before anyone asks: No I won`t pass it on, not for money either. If you want it, contact snow. Its taken off I think from request from his team mates, some of them contributed with some pretty amazing excel sheets like for example "number strenght" It allows you to follow over thousands of spins in chart style, like forex, how a bias becomes weaker and stronger. If you know the maintenance routine for a casino, you might be able to stay away from periods where the bias appears to be weaker even though it visually still is there. Maybe because of cleaning of the wheel.
Quote from: Kelly on October 30, 2010, 04:07:31 AM
Before anyone asks: No I won`t pass it on...
What if I said pretty please? :D
Quote from: Kelly on October 30, 2010, 04:07:31 AM
Before anyone asks: No I won`t pass it on, not for money either.
Wouldn't that be illegal anyway?
I have a copy of that book and it's certainly a real eye-opener. The most amazing thing is that modern wheels aren't as bias-proof as everyone thought. I'm saying no more.... :-X
I I were an AP player I would see no reason to blabber AP information about the internet for the competition ( casinos) to see :diablo: just to satisfy the curiousity of a few people who would not have the balls and bankroll to begin with . :ok:
TSI NAN FU
N.D.
Exactly. In most cases there is not much harm done in circulating a roulette system since they are not changing your profits anyway. In this case though, there is some info that not even the casinos is aware of. If they were, they would act on them and they don`t. So basicly it stay in flames.
QuoteSo basicly it stay in flames.
No argument here. It beats me why Snowman would ever consider publishing such information, although I'm grateful that he did. Systems don't work, this does.
By the way kelly, I like your blog. You seem to be pretty relaxed about posting this kind of stuff online (no criticism intended).
"You all hate hime because he keeps coming at you with the house edge" >>> I dont hate the guy. I think he's nuts but I hate nobody.
"most of you guys only knows snow from these message boards and not as someone who has been in advantage play for several decades" >>> As I stated earlier, why do some of you AP guys keep looking for validation from others? ;D I find it funny that you guys act covertly in terms of posting *BUT* want to be recognized at the same time, it makes little sense.
Nobody is stopping you guys. Go do your studying, charting and whatever else you do. Have a blast with it, I dont care. I say good luck to ALL people playing roulette, regardless of how you play. I know, I know....people that use AP dont rely on luck blah blah blah. I heard it 100 times before. Ken
Mike if you look at my log im not revealing anything specific on locations, except like Bayswater in London for example because its a waste of time there. Its another thing posting where you CAN play, I wouldn`t in my wildest dreams do that.
J, what I wrote about snow is something he wouldn`t post by himself and we haven`t been in contact for several months so there are no plans as you suggest on GG. You seem somehow intimidated by AP, it has been some kind of crusade for you, You even put it in your profile. I just find it somehow funny that you all doubt his existence in AP when I know that he has possibly been in that game somehow 20 years longer than I have. Like I wrote, you don`t know simply because you haven`t been in that game so long and not been in those circles, some on these boards haven`t even seen the inside of a casino yet, so yeah you are excused, you can`t possibly know snow, when all you do is be on these boards.
Its not meant in a negative manner but you rule him out of AP without knowing what you talk about and you won`t see snow start to give you a lecture in 3 decades of casino life even though he could. You don`t know that, but I do and I know it, NOT, because snow told me but because I have a big puzzle of real life names where snow happens to know people I have never even mentioned.
All im saying is basicly that you don`t know what you are talking about when you talk about snow and AP, but you are a net freak so you are excused.
cheers kelly! :thumbsup:
Ken,
I don't know why you feel the need to antagonise Snowman, you should be kissing the guy's arse, he knows more about how to win at roulette than probably anyone else in the world, he's made a good living from the game his whole life and has never done anything else (so I've been told). He obviously doesn't care very much about posting on internet forums because he's too busy finding those wheels and milking them. I don't know about you but I'm interested in winning, not indulging in some kind of pissing contest. If you can win with systems then good luck to you, it doesn't make any sense to me but I'm not going to convince anyone anymore that it's a waste of time. People learn in their own good time, or maybe never.
"I don't know why you feel the need to antagonise Snowman" >>> Nice try.
For the record my problems with snowman are:
1. avoidance of providing shipping address for my computer - anyone can see he avoided it. If he didnt want to test it, he should have just said so instead of telling others "yeah yeah I'll test it I'm waiting for stefano". But instead he just kept stringing along. why? who knows, but it's not right. In the end he gave me an ultimatum to remove ken as mod or he wont do any testing. That was pathetic and I wasnt interested in continuing his games. Clearly he wanted to avoid it all while claiming he wasnt.
2. Denial of receiving my account name - I know I sent it, more than once. For sure he would have received it. Then he denied it, and when I sent it again and again, he refused to acknowledge it. Everyone here saw it. It seems the guy loves to play games.
3. Repeated breaking of forum rules
The others dont like him because of his arrogance and condescending tone. While that quality isnt admirable, that's not what concerned me.
Kelly, he may be a great bias player, but bias is far from the best method to beat roulette - quicker, more practical, more effective. Very few of my players bother with it - comparatively a waste of time. I'm not debating he has solid knowledge of it, just that in my experience players that bother with bias just dont know what else is possible.
Quote from: Mike on October 31, 2010, 03:46:08 PM
cheers kelly! :thumbsup:
Ken,
you should be kissing the guy's arse, he knows more about how to win at roulette than probably anyone else in the world
LOL! According to Herb he's good looking and has a 12" Johnson too, you forgot to mention that.
Im not saying bias is gives the highest edge but there are goods and bads. Bias play is hard to disguise, but it can be camouflaged so its not so ovious, usually it costs edge. VB/Computer play can easyli be shut down with early NMB, which won`t affect bias play.
I only wrote what i did, because i know that he is the real deal and NOT because he said so and because ken simply don`t know what he talks about on that subject.
Knowing how secretly he operates i was also amazed that he went along with your projects, knowing that it would require some personal details from him that he would never give out. But i don`t think he thought about that when he said yes. Never mind, none of my business.
"Knowing how secretly he operates" >>> :suicide:
:D
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fi499.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Frr351%2Fskakus%2FHERB_KELLY.jpg&hash=b2361185a125d756125aca219589b05469f382c2)
Bombus that wasnt very nice..
Regarding the online casino challenge, just confirming it is still on. After constantly asking him a million times, Herb finally stated he had the account name. What concerns me is:
Herb was banned from vls before I was admin, and now he is banned again. He would have been banned earlier, except we had unfinished business which bought him temporary tolerance to his poor behavior, but includes unprovoked attacks against ken, frivolous threads, and modification of honest polls that made it clear that as far as the members here are concerned, Ken should remain as moderator. I have nothing personal against him, but he really is quite immature and arrogant. As for his knowledge of roulette, as I said previously, he may know bias analysis, and in my experience bias players are as such because they're not aware there are far better - more accurate and practical, methods to beat roulette.
Now because Herb is incredibly untrustworthy, I'm looking for someone else to be as a backup - in case I complete the online casino challenge, and Herb wants to continue his childish games. So I want there to be at least TWO people that know the online casino username for the account that has all the transaction history. Bago says he'll only accept Herb as a witness, but this is because he know Herb is no longer involved. Its a convenient excuse.
The candidate / witness need only be well known to NOT be me, and has nothing to lose or gain from checking basic account history and verifying everything in the account - they must be honest. Also the person should not be a dickhead - I'm tired of dealing with them. I'll leave members of the forums to nominate who would be suitable.
Another option is I release an encrypted files that contains the account name, then at the end, everyone will know what it is - which I wouldnt have been able to change. This file will be released to say 5 or so well known forum members. Then when I'm done, I release the password to the document so people can see the account name.
As for when I'll get the challenge done, I have a lot of work to do with the upcoming public demo on 13th November, so will resume in the week after. Before then we should have organized a solution to the above.
I`ll volunteer but only on these conditions;
1. I get the account name/details that verifys that it can only be this specific account we are dealing with before you start.
2. I extract the log myself from the casino when you are done and has removed your money.
Don't be surprised if Steve doesn't answer till Sunday, he's usually gone from Thursday night till Sunday night.
G'day Cheese,
Quote from: cheese on November 05, 2010, 01:21:36 AM
Don't be surprised if Steve doesn't answer till Sunday, he's usually gone from Thursday night till Sunday night.
Yes, don't forget the time difference between Melbourne & Detroit!!
In Melbourne time he's only 'missing' from lockup Friday evening til after 'flushing' Bubba out
of his system with the Missus, which brings him back online Monday Morning Melbourne time.
I would vote for Mr J or let's cut through the Cheese and find Spike to verify the validity of Steve's claims!!
(I actually have an open mind to the claims of both Steve & even Spike, as I KNOW that the
Mathboyz are WRONG with their assertions that no maths based system can work long term)!!!
Glenn.
QuoteI`ll volunteer but only on these conditions;
1. I get the account name/details that verifys that it can only be this specific account we are dealing with before you start.
2. I extract the log myself from the casino when you are done and has removed your money.
Kelly, these conditions are not a problem in the slightest. I'll PM you the account name. When you have it, please confirm here that you have it.
I expect to resume some time next week.
PS - MiniBaccarat, this time I really taught bubba a lesson, and gave him a permanent reminder of who's in charge. It was a startling transformation... you can see the photo I took of him as he approached me in the bunks. He looked like he thought he knew what was going to happen. But you see the aftermath.
G'day Steve,
Good on You!!
If you've got to spend time with Bubba, I guess being the shafter would be better than what I copped from him.
I hope you didn't give 'seconds', he looks a bit young after you gave him his first lesson.
Thanks for the feeling of 6cm of revenge.
Glenn.
Kelly, did you get the account name?
Got it, please note response in PM.
lol ;D
lol
Loud and clear. Good to see.
I've now sent you the casino name. Please confirm you have that too so there is no confusion.
Confirmed.
Sweet then. How about I send you a roulette computer too while we're at it?
Kelly, aparently there is some confusion about a few things.
The original agreement with bago was that I turn $5000 into $30,000. I pleaded with tony to proceed and put the funds into his account and let me start. He then backed out saying he didnt want to risk the money which is fine
Eventually he deposited $500. And when I finally go to log into the account, he locks me out claiming I was a logging in to find a way to cheat. I mean what on earth is he talking about?? He gave me the login details to play, and then when I log in to play he claims I'm going to cheat somehow, so he changes his password???
The way its headed though is another player will do the challenge on my behalf. Keep in mind bago already did it himself with a system I taught him. Thats probably why he's asking me to repeat it.
I don`t as such care wether you turn 1K into 5K or 5K into 30K. The last will of couse add more weight because you have been willing to add more weight and risk into the test but it will not interfere with the hit rate or standard deviation.
Winning 3K over 20 spins betting with 50$ pr number is not impressive, it just shows you had some hits at the start. There are plenty of ways to look at it and i will.
Your test report document didn`t show a particular high standard deviation or chi square and i can`t see how the hit distribution relates to the bets you placed. Was it a flat line with some lucky hits or were there a huge gathering around your predictions where you with just a little bit of luck had made a fortune, in such a case, it would if you took the SD for a 12 number sector around your 3 number sector show a very high SD.
Things like that will show.
Kelly it is all legitimate and whatever analysis of the results you do will support that.
Also please get in touch with snowman to confirm you BOTH have the same account name. That closes another loophole.
Bago is just looking for an excuse. He backed out twice before with this. First he said he'll deposit $5000. Never happened. Then he said he'll deposit $500, which he did, but soon after locked me out of the account with ridiculous excuses. So then I deposited my own money. Now he's looking for another excuse to back out.
Don`t worry the log file hopefully keep dates and times for placed bets. Basicly the log file would show everything also several attempts to hit the money target and how they were achieved. I might register myself and play a little bit around with the log (my own log) to see if i can fiddle my way to a spot less log file. Just to see if its possible at all. Maybe see if its possible to clean the sheet and start all over without the log showing it.
Kelly have you confirmed with snowman that you both have the same account name? This is the last loophole I can think of. You might have to beat it out of him - at least that's what my experience with him has been like.
Also how about sending you a roulette computer while we're at it?
PS - see my other thread abouot the public demo last sat**day. the audio files should be enough for anyone to know it actually did happen. A few clowns may say again only my pets or family attended - that's what envious idiots are like. I could go on and on about it, but they are no big deal and I do them quite often, although mostly to individual players/teams (1-3 people).
Kelly have you contacted snowman about this yet? I suspect maybe you have, but he's in no hurry to respond. I found him to be like that when I constantly asked him the same question. Who knows.. but i'm not proceeding until this loophole is closed.
No i haven`t, its fine with me if you have created a new user name or not. Lets just proceed.
There's more to it. Check your pm.
Its confirmed, we can now move on. Whats the win target and when do you expect to reach it ?
okay, now that we got past all the BS that lasted for weeks, can anyone answer me this one question. Why has nearly 3 weeks past and absolutely no one has heard from Steve, with this link mysteriously coming to an absolute halt ever since November 27th of last month???
Steve, do you care to answer this one???
Spock, I have much higher priority things to do. To apply the system at the specified casino, I need to find consecutive days of solid play, and work in periods where spins are frequent. Finding that kind of time as not so simple. My focus is on real application, team management, in real casinos - not online where activity is very transparent.
So why set the whole thing up at all if it has such low priority that you sound that you are really not interested in doing it anyway ?
I know wheel tracking and searching is a pain in the a** but if you run a corporation, just put someone on the job and ask them to alert you when something is up.
Kelly:
QuoteSo why set the whole thing up at all if it has such low priority that you sound that you are really not interested in doing it anyway ?
Of course I'm interested in doing it. But when I have lot of other work that is far higher priority, I naturally put that first. Wouldnt you? Already players comment that I waste enough time on these matters.
QuoteI know wheel tracking and searching is a pain in the a** but if you run a corporation, just put someone on the job and ask them to alert you when something is up.
I dont have employed staff suitable for this, although actual players have said they'd be happy to do it for me - that is still an option.
Quote from: Steve on December 17, 2010, 11:32:22 PM
...Already players comment that I waste enough time on idiots...
Excuse me... I have not wasted any of your time. :sarcastic:
If i was in your shoes i wouldn`t have set anything up before i knew that i had the time to carry it through. Setting it up and then give it last priority doesn`t work in any set up here in life unless it is stated from the beginning. If the kids are killing me to get some sort of playing module for the garden and i went and bought it but just left it in the garden unfixed, they would pretty fast hate me for it. When i make a decision i buy it, fix it up, and says "there you go." Ottherwise i would say that guys you can`t have it until in 3 weeks because i haven`t time to fix it before that.
Same with your computer. I could have it here and i could test it on and off but i know how i would test it and the time it takes and since it would be one of my last prioritys you would keep asking me when i was finished, so i declined.
Its now been some 10 weeks since i volounteered and still no attempts to do anything, thats not serious.
If you want my opinion on something, just e mail me.
Serious to proceed? Yes.
Priority compared to other things? Very low.
Something very simple: send you a computer, as it doesn't rely on my time anywhere near as much. But you refused. I'm not sure why some things appear so complicated.
Other options for online: we do it in a casino that spins far more frequently.
Don`t know what you mean, you wanted an independent part and i volouteered. No i won`t test your computer, never said i would, nothing is complicated.
Pick the casino you prefer, i don`t care and like i said, just email me when you get that far. Gotta say, im rapidly losing faith in that it actually happens. Are you gun shy or is the system so time intensive that it takes so long to get to the table ?
When I said complicated, I was referring to the online challenge but can see I wasnt clear.
Anyway it is exactly as I said previously. There is nothing complex, hidden or evil about it. The spins at that casino are infrequent between business hours, and I dont work past 5pm - I have a life. For safe application of my system I'd need about 3 consecutive days of qualification and play. That time is not easy for me to find, especially for something that is low priority, regardless of my serious intent. I struggle to keep up with just my emails on most days.
Your faith is irrelevant although I do understand, but you need to understand my position too. This will not be forgotten. I have succeeded in every challenge I've undertaken. Snow asked what challenges, and I responded:
QuoteWell it began with Ronjo, who did both forester's suggested diamond testing, and testing diamond targeting accuracy over about 100 spins. nolinks.roulettewars.com/ronjo.html (nolinks://nolinks.roulettewars.com/ronjo.html) - Forester said ronjo was incompetent. Bago said ronjo was me under a fake name. After that high profile challenge, it only resulted in more attacks against me. Envy? Embarrassment? Who knows. But it was hard for some people to accept.
Then there was Viper, who first made a mistake about the results. So I published the audio to correct him, although he never apologized. Forester ran with the incorrect version of events as it suited him. Anyone who looked at the data and understood the relevance of everything would know it supports what I've been saying. But forester still maintains that them evil mobile phones cant get accurate timings - it's rubbish. I even discussed it with laurence, who made clear from his own personal experience that forester was wrong.
Then there was bago: nolinks://nolinks.roulettewars.com/duhamelexposed.html (nolinks://nolinks.roulettewars.com/duhamelexposed.html) - tony published his version of it all, which was removing my voice. I published the unedited version.
There were more but I cant remember all of them. There have been especially many private challenges for my players only mainly via RF. For example, I did about 50 spins on a wheel with level settings. those with FF compared predictions I got, and verified how my mobile phone computers deal with errors is significantly more accurate than forester's FFA. Any of forester's players can contact me to verify what I've been saying, and some have. It is not an issue about who's penis is bigger, although mine is, it's about rubbish spread by people who have other agendas. I just want the truth known, although the care factor has diminished, its still there. Forester refused to see it in person when I shoved equipment in his face. You didnt want to proceed for whatever reason. Kelly didnt want to for his own reasons. Laurence didnt want to because in his own words, he has no reason to disbelieve me because of his own experience with mobile phone roulette computers.
How much proof is enough? I'm not even counting various information on my sites, or even the public demonstrations where results such as 90% hit rates achieved betting 15 numbers, with velstone mk7, ivorine ball, 3 dominant diamonds (120 degrees spread), predictions about 13 seconds before ball falls. For example, see below:
Parts of one of the public demos. I typically do one demo per week. Sincerely you would have no idea of what I have achieved with roulette,so it's sand in my girl private when morons have the audacity to claim I'm the "scammer".
Part 1 of public roulette computer demo (17.8MB):
nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/part1censored.wma (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/part1censored.wma)
Part 2 of public roulette computer demo (14.1MB):
nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/part2censored.wma (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/part2censored.wma)
Part 3 of public roulette computer demo (15.5MB):
nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/part3censored.wma (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/part3censored.wma)
The above is the whole thing (censored), EXCLUDING the part reserved only for actual players (the part where the existing players remain behind for support and training).
Part 4:
This is video where the wheel was disassembled to show the wheel was not tampered with to cheat.
nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/antitamper.wmv (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/antitamper.wmv)
If you don't have the time to review ALL of the above, below are the most important parts (shorter versions):
SEGMENT 1: Shorter version of roulette computer demo (7.7MB):
nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/13nov10shorter.wma (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/13nov10shorter.wma)
This is just the end part of the roulette computer demo where the device is fully calibrated and achieving maximum accuracy. The accuracy achieved is over a 90% hit rate when covering 15 numbers, which is needless to say an enormous edge. No other device is capable of achieving such accuracy, especially on such a difficult wheel to beat - and we u
sed only basic settings (basic for this computer). This audio has had many parts chopped out to make it shorter, but it's more suitable if y ou have limited time. If you have serious intentions with this technology though, you should listen to the full audio or even better, visit me for a personal demonstration to see it for yourself.
SEGMENT 2: Basic Visual Ballistics Technique to beat roulette without electronics (6MB):
nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/vb13nov10.wma (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/vb13nov10.wma)
This is a part of the genuinewinner.com roulette system. The technique taught to techniques is my way of saying thanks to people who attendmy public events. It is only a very basic method in this recording, a s the advanced methods are reserved strictly for my players - including methods that deal with varying rotor speeds, and the wheel being onl
y partially visible (rather than top view). In addition to the documentation at nolinks.genuinewinner.com/gw.zip (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/gw.zip) this audio file will give you a better idea of the kind of methods I teach.
Anyway first I'll evaluate a quicker method for the first casino, and if it'll still take too long, we'll move casinos. The account balance from the first casino will carry on to the second if we change. You'll still see transactions from both accounts.
almost forgot: according to what snow said on GG, play account winnings are valid. So check your PM for login details to check a test account that started with $1000 and is now over $7000. I tested a quicker method but am yet to do it in the real account. I know play accounts dont mean anything. Snow didnt agree it seems.
Herb is a brilliant pro
I agree he knows more than the average player for sure. But he certainly has an inflated sense of his knowledge and thinks he knows it all - he needs a cure for "headuparsedness".
Just an update on the online casino challenge. I expect to have more time to do it in the coming weeks. Once again:
1. I've succeeded in every challenge I've done. This one will be no different. This particular challenge was created because bago is trying to redeem himself after the last challenge.
2. The result of the latest challenge (online casino challenge) is neither success or failure - simply havent had time yet. Like I said, it will require about 3 consecutive days to complete it and that is a big ask for me as I have much more pertinent things to do.
3. My players do it often. I have had players suggest they do it for me which is still an option.
As for Snow, he said "I wonder what he will do this time in order to try and discredit the impartial observer, (Kelly)."
No Snow, I did not discredit anyone. I'll remind you: because of your vendetta against Ken (Mr J), you gave me the childish ultimatum to either remove him as mod, or you wont participate in the online casino challenge. I told you no. Your ultimatem was vindictive and childish. The observer needs only to check account transaction history. Not a big task.
As it stands now, the same account I said I would do it with exists and with the funds sitting in the account doing nothing, yet. The transaction history and account isnt going anywhere.
Quote from: iggiv on January 23, 2011, 08:55:30 PM
Herb is a brilliant pro
Herb PORTRAYS himself as a brilliant pro.
Ken
I can see he has good "old" knowledge. But he is more a "poser" than real pro. My average player knows more than him - these are people out there actually doing it all, in modern conditions.
I crack jokes......he doesn't even go to the casino etc. YES he does go, he knows roulette etiquette, and has above average knowledge, I have no issue saying that.
A great American roulette pro? No way, sorry. Probably does 'alright'....up and down like most others but thats the extent of it. He is a great talker with VERY bias view points.
Ken
He knows bias analysis which is no great feat.
The difference is, he CARES if others dont believe him, it bothers him.
Myself....I do 'good' with this game but could careless if no one likes it or believes it. I'm not trying to be a d**k about it, its only my view.
Ken
Personally i wouldn`t have myself dragged down on your level on GG as snow does. That is really going no where and your behaviour appears extremely childish. As for anonoumous and payoutes in the US i don`t know the details, but try to get a 1500£ payout in the UK anonymously, you simply can`t in most, if not all, places.
Yes snow is immature. His ultimatem was childish. I posted the above in response to him, like claims that I tried to discredit him.
As for the challenge, it is how I stated. It makes no difference if you dont want to be involved kelly. The account isnt going anywhere, and anybody would be able to login and see.
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 2011, 09:23:56 PM
I can see he has good "old" knowledge. But he is more a "poser" than real pro. My average player knows more than him -
Shhh. Its a secret that Herb's time is over. Don't anybody tell him. Shhhhhh......
Quote from: Kelly on May 16, 2011, 12:44:05 AM
Personally I wouldn`t have myself dragged down on your level on GG as snow does.
LOL! Do you have any idea what 'level' Herbie is on? The 'LevelMeter' doesn't even go that low. Find a new hero, Kelly..
Cheese, Im an adult with 4 kids so i know when someone is childish, im also able to read and write, and know enough about roulette and real play to sort the boys from the men. Snow is not amongst the boys although ken is doing his best to provoke him down on a snoozy level. I don`t need a hero, but i do reckognize knowledge and trust me, what is on these boards is merely a tip of the iceberg because i have seen some of the rest. I don`t know why snow wouldn`t send his adress to steve, but i do know that i wouldn`t either because i have seen his web pages where he trys to sell bias software to the casinos. You cant do serious business with a man with a leg in each camp.
I have asked cupcake more than once in the past, lets stop the BS as of now! He says ok but lasts for 2-4 days tops and he's back at it, riding me. Anytime he wants to give it ANOTHER try, thats cool with me. (On all boards) If not, he better pray I get banned at GG.
Ken
If you stopped asking those silly questions again and again and stopped the waiting......waiting......waiting,,,,,,, the thing would have ended long ago. The posts between you and snow is in a 1:5 ratio, you having the 5 ratio. And you say you cant keep HIM away ?
Get a life.
Wrong answer mister bias guy.
As far as asking him the same stuff over and over......he can answer it and its done, IS THAT NOT CORRECT??
Example being.....he says I was banned here twice. Thats fine to say it but NOW, back it up. His hit-n-run bulls**t won't fly, not with me. Isn't the REAL SOLUTION, he should not be spreading lies and THEN, I dont need to keep re-asking what the heck he is talking about. You left that piece of information out Kelly.
Ken
Yeah i know, how can one possibly go on living after such outragious statements. After that it is certainly okay to say that you &%%#%ed his sister, even though it has nothing to do with the case or reality.
Go do some scuba diving in Thailand or something. Just DOOO something. You need to get out.
i am not going to discuss anyone's virtual personal behaviour now, but i have some reasons to believe that he is a real pro, not just "portrays himself" as if he is. He is also helpful and nice if u don't fight him and try to listen to.
I personally have a lot of respect to him (doesn't mean i disrespect others because i don't agree with their opinions).
and for sure i don't believe that "his days are over"
Kelly, I was promoting bias software to casinos at one stage, because my players almost never use it. Bias analysis is insignificant compared to other methods to beat roulette. It doesnt affect us. I made it clear on that site that first and foremost I'm a player. And if snow didnt want to give his address, he could have used a forwarding service. I have no interest in who he is or where he lives. I sure as hell wouldnt send anything significant to casinos or help them in any significant way. I've been contacted by several casino consultants now and they all get the same response.
btw, I'm not doubting Snow's knowledge of bias analysis. The issue is I know literally hundreds of professional players. Next to none of them bother with bias. Why? . . because there are much, much better ways to beat roulette. To the point where nobody really bothers with it anymore.
The exception is what I call "dynamic bias", but even that requires far more work than other methods. Herb doesnt seem to know any better, which is why he uses bias - a comparatively poor method. Why would any "pro" do this?
Dynamic bias is a bias that is temporary, or more it moves depending on conditions. Casino bias analysis software does not detect it.
Do my players do bias analysis over 300 spins? Nope. Only one idiot claims that. But can it be done? To a degree, yes. Not for single number. For larger sectors only, and for so few spins you need validation visually.
The big difference is that he is, with a few exeptions, taking more money out of the casinos than anyone else on these boards because he is actually out there doing it. It might not be the most profitable way, still, he is pulling more money out than anyone in here. Its not something i got from him, but from mutual friends that happens to know him from the casinos, actually he has never told me how much he wins and i have never asked.
The last funny incident was that Kaisan wrote after being in Vegas: "I think i met one of your friends the other day he told me to say hello" almost at the same time i got a mail from snow "I met Kaisan today, he tells me to say hello". I mention him because most peple has heard about him, but there are also a few known european pro players, which are not known to the public that knows him and has at some point played in his "team". (They are known to Barnett though, as i found out).
You can advertise your computers all you like, as i see it most players drops out because they cant find conditions, cant find a bankroll, cant find the time, etc. There really aren`t many consistent players. Personally i can "easyli" spot a computer player or VB player at a table, and i really dont see these hundreds of players anywhere.
Ken, I don't want to go to deep into your quarrels with Herb, but I saw some of them on this board, and what I saw from him was mostly some funny jokes, and as I understood u said to him pretty nasty things in return to his jokes. That's why
basically he left this forum after u became a Mod. I don't have anything against u and I certainly don't know your and Herb's love story in detail but I saw what I saw. Maybe I am wrong and I don't know the whole story...but making fun of someone's roulette knowledge is not as bad as insulting on very personal level....
Tell me that I know nothing about roulette and I guess I can easily swallow this opinion and won't take it as a personal insult.
Whether you believe it or not, I have no doubt what my partners and I take from casino is greater than anyone on the boards. Let's not argue this point though - the truth may never be known.
Whatever the case is with snow, yes if he really is doing it, he's doing it the hard way. There is just no point to it, if you know better - it's backwards for a "pro". This is my point. In my last public demo, over 90% accuracy on 15 numbers, bouncy ivorine, predictions 13 seconds before ball falls, mk7 velstone huxley, 3 DDs.. one with opposing side. The conditions were far from easy. Development of my technology has been full time for years, but I havent done it alone. Many people saw it. We even pulled apart the wheel at the end to show there were no magnets or anything. No chance bias analysis of any kind can compete with that. These were not some basic single DD conditions with no ball bounce. These were conditions more difficult than the average wheel. It is a pitty you didnt want to proceed with testing of my computers, because they truly are what I say they are. I would have especially loved you to verify my results from using the same switch arrangement for FFA and my basic computer. So much for mobile phones not being able to deal with timing errors. Mine deals better than FFA. Forester refused this testing in person.
There is no denying that some players get attention. Barnett has access to casino information and knows a lot of general information, but he is still subject to ignorance. It is not to say others dont do a better job of staying covert. While some of my players have won upwards of $30,000 in a session, it is very rare. This can be done with or without computers, with or without what I teach. It is more about suitable condtions and bankroll. Mostly my players take anywhere from $100 - $1000 or so per session which may seem small, but over the long term is a different story.
As for condtions for computers, it depends on what computer you're talking about. If you mean one that does much what VB does (like foresters ones), then sure you need to pay greater attention to the conditions. It is typical that a difference of 1s in rotor speed makes normal scatter charts obsolete. There is much more going on than simple "ball falls and X time and bounces X pockets".
As it is now, I have about 700 system players, and well over 100 computer players. Only a fraction are actually "active". This is for many reasons. The latest software for the system will change this as it adds to practicality and better automation. Then with the use of phones to apply the system, players will be able to have everything done near automatically - bets before ball release, and with little understanding of what is actually being done. This also means more pattern types being used without the need to give full disclosure of what I work hard to develop. Plus not everyone is suited to advantage play. You dont see them because the world is a big place, and they are under non-disclosure. But many are on the forums. They read this.
Every challenge I've ever done has been successful. This one (online casino) will be no different. As I said, I have done it before, and so have my players. Everything I have said is the absolute truth, and because people havent done it themselves because they cant, they are quick to call me names. I dont do challenges for glory or showing off - it is to expose lies, ESPECIALLY from people who I know have far inferior technology and bluntly far less knowledge, yet they call me the scammer. Whether or not I do challenges, whether or not you believe what I say, I still sleep comfortably knowing the truth.
Time reveals all anyway.
Neither snow and forester have come close, to computers I've developed. I sincerely believe, realistically, without prejudice or ego, that nobody on earth knows roulette better than I do.
AND SNOW: WHEN YOU SAY MY SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK, YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. YOU CLEARLY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. MY SYSTEM HAS MANY PARTS, AND THEY ARE ALL LEGITIMATE AP. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CUSTOM VARIANTS, THEY ARE THE COMBINATION OF VARIOUS METHODS AND PATTERNS ROLLED INTO ONE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO BIAS ANALYSIS.
Quote from: iggiv on May 17, 2011, 01:12:13 AM
Ken, I don't want to go to deep into your quarrels with Herb, but I saw some of them on this board, and what I saw from him was mostly some funny jokes, and as I understood u said to him pretty nasty things in return to his jokes. That's why
basically he left this forum after u became a Mod. I don't have anything against u and I certainly don't know your and Herb's love story in detail but I saw what I saw. Maybe I am wrong and I don't know the whole story...but making fun of someone's roulette knowledge is not as bad as insulting on very personal level....
Tell me that I know nothing about roulette and I guess I can easily swallow this opinion and won't take it as a personal insult.
Ohhh, so Snowjob was joking with me all along? I guess we have different definitions of 'joking'. Snowjob (Herb) LEFT this board? Left? I recall a different story.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on May 17, 2011, 07:32:44 AM
Ohhh, so Snowjob was joking with me all along? I guess we have different definitions of 'joking'. Snowjob (Herb) LEFT this board? Left? I recall a different story.
Ken
Ken, i consider both u and Herb good men and would love to see u reconcileate with him. especially now when u r a Mod and u r a very good Mod i think. I think we have to get over our past quarrels and fights which only help the world imperialism (that's a joke in Russian style) :)