Hi there.
This is me. Super roulette strategy
With a post for all things related to Super Roulette Software.
Note: I am not selling the system.
I have no links to the system in this post.
And I am not an affiliate of Super Roulette.
Now that is out of the way.
I can continue.
In this post.
I will endeavour to keep an accurate account of REAL play with REAL money.
Using Super Roulette.
All images will be captured using Snagit.
So I will post in here real screen shots of my account in real time.
With real money. Not a big balance to start with.
But enough to test it. Win or lose makes no difference to me.
Money that I can afford to lose.
Will keep all those interested posted on the results as they come in.
The topic will open up from time to time for people to post.
I have locked it for now, while I get things set up.
Ok, here is my initial Start Balance.
As you can see in the picture.
This is a real Account with REAL money in it.
You will see that the betting unit is set at $0.10c
I have $30 euro in my account.
Not much to start with.
But something that I can afford to lose.
Matt suggest to read the manual and to practice.
Practice, practice etc...
So I would recommend following his advice.
If you are not sure of what you are doing.
This is my initial start point.
Will see how things pan out.
$5 bucks up.
:)
Now, I have unlocked the topic.
You can post in here if you wish.
Please keep post to the subject.
You can ask questions if you wish.
In profit.
So that is a good start for the day.
Matt suggested I start with $0.01c bets.
Take to long to get there in my opinion.
But that is me. This is money that if I lose it.
It wont be missed. So I can take a few chances with my settings.
Aiming for $100.
See how long that takes to get there.
Here is an enlarged picture of the bot.
And the results I just got.
I think it is always useless to read, that someone has won some money, if nobody knows what is played.
I don´t mean the strategy, but the chance and the progression used.
And the question is still: It is an effect of playing bot or it is the effect of the embedded system?
winkel
Now for another $5
:D
Quote from: Winkel on April 14, 2009, 01:22:37 PM
I think it is always useless to read, that someone has won some money, if nobody knows what is played.
I don´t mean the strategy, but the chance and the progression used.
And the question is still: It is an effect of playing bot or it is the effect of the embedded system?
winkel
Ahh yeah.
At first I ghosted the system I was playing super roulette strategy
Just following what TwoCat was doing.
In the latest pic. You can see what I am playing.
And what system I am using.
Here again is an enlarged picture of the bot for easy reading.
You can see the system I am using.
And what I have selected.
:thumbsup:
With the settings I have and the limited funds.
It may tank out at any time.
Who knows.
I have a stop loss set to $30
So if I can reach $60
Without losing.
I'd be very happy.
Note: Results may vary depending on players own mental condition.
ROFL... ;D
$30 was my initial start balance.
Anything above that.
Is a bonus.
Now for another $5
:thumbsup:
Doing well.
Will take a break now.
And make a coffee.
Close down this session.
And do it all again t/m.
Stay tuned.
Will even do a video.
Of me playing in real time with real money.
For those wishing to contact me.
And ask any further questions.
Can do so on Skype: thomasgrant
Hey Winkel.
Your the G.U.T. Meister
Been looking at that.
TwoCat did some videos on it.
Looks interesting.
Not sure how the GUT would work on a no zero table.
But it may do better on a non zero table.
Still reading up on the material.
It is a little over my head.
Even Tiago has found it a little difficult to follow.
Good luck with it.
Thank you Thomas for "putting the buck" to make things clearer for the community.
Nothing can beat actual real money play as a starting point to get facts.
[smiley=dankk2.gif]
Quote from: thomasgrant on April 14, 2009, 02:42:49 PM
Not sure how the GUT would work on a no zero table.
But it may do better on a non zero table.
There´no need to play on a No-Zero-Table for two reasons:
1. Zero is fully included
2. If you play at BV than go to "European Roulette without House-Edge"
br
winkel
Is there a trial or something like to test this bot?
Quote from: VLSroulette on April 14, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
Thank you Thomas for "putting the buck" to make things clearer for the community.
Nothing can beat actual real money play as a starting point to get facts.
[smiley=dankk2.gif]
Thank you Victor.
And thanks to TwoCat.
I know we have difference of opinions at times.
And argue over trivial things.
But I still respect the man.
Even after he deleted my posts.
And thanks to Tiago an Matt.
Tiago for the outstanding bot.
And Matt for his excellent ideas.
Ok, I have done a video.
Just got to clear it with Matt first.
As it shows the bets that are placed.
And how they are placed.
It is rather long.
Nearly 10 minutes.
And I didn't reach my target.
Up and down.
Nearly got half way to my stop loss.
Crawled back up again.
May try different chip units.
Slower play.
Still in profit.
Made $0.80c
Going to have to refine my game play.
And re read the docs again.
:o
Well, marching along slowly.
In this picture.
I am using the lowest bet unit. $0.01c
Set my profit to $2
Didn't get there.
Because I have a few other things to do.
The graph has a big drop.
Then it slowly works its way up again.
Had a stop loss of $6 this time.
I think I will keep it at that.
That way I am will remain in profit.
Short gains are good gains.
Or any gain is a good gain.
Any profit is better than no profit.
Will talk to Matt about the video I made.
See if I can release it.
You will notice that I am only using one system in these screen shots.
That is the one I have chosen. According to the website.
It says it does not need as much for a start balance.
So I am testing that one out.
As my balance increases.
I will test the other systems out.
Should be able to double my initial balance by the end of the week.
If not sooner. Will do more videos and screen shots.
So for those that are interested.
Bookmark this link.
Inch by inch is a sinch.
Yard by yard can be very hard.
:thumbsup:
Hey Tom,
Nice results so far mate :) - You started with 30 Euro?
You are following my advice on BR requirements which is good to see. My only suggestion would be to let it run a little longer, before stopping and starting a new session. Unlike other strategies you do not need to 'hit and run'. The longer you play, the more you will make.
With the system you are playing it will often dip at the start, but will recover and then some - however you do need to let it run for a little longer. Just set and forget and come back in a few hours.
Tom, please don't post any videos, this will reveal too much information about the systems.
Can I ask, do you have the 'bet reset' option checked?
Thanks for sharing so far
Cheers
Matt
TG
Your graph looks very much like ones I posted. Matt is right; let it run and it will get better.
Sam
QuoteTom, please don't post any videos, this will reveal too much information about the systems.
Ahh Matt, don't worry.
I am using Camtasia.
And have blocked out where the bets go.
Will send you a link for you to approve ok.
Ok, as I continue testing out this software.
Matt said I should just leave it and let it run it's course.
I may do that at some point. Just building up my knowledge bank.
And game play experience.
As I steadily increase my balance.
Have a look at the latest pic.
Had I started with the $0.10c bet.
I would of got there in no time.
Sometimes you can get good runs at the start.
Did another video on this one.
Just waiting for Matt to approve of the first one.
Quote from: thomasgrant
Have a look at the latest pic.
Had I started with the $0.10c bet.
I would of got there in no time.
Tom, I know it is tempting to use higher chip sizes, but you need to ensure you have the bankroll behind you to absorb the ebb and flow of the game. Leave it at .02c until you reach at least 60 Euros.
Cheers
Matt
Quote from: super-roulette on April 15, 2009, 02:06:42 AM
Tom, I know it is tempting to use higher chip sizes, but you need to ensure you have the bankroll behind you to absorb the ebb and flow of the game. Leave it at .02c until you reach at least 60 Euros.
Cheers
Matt
I know.
Lol... no problems.
Learning as I go.
Using smart money management.
Just keep going for a profit.
As I keep testing the software.
Quote from: FakeNick on April 14, 2009, 03:46:16 PM
Is there a trial or something like to test this bot?
No, no trial to test.
Read what Matt has to say on the subject in TwoCat's post.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 14, 2009, 11:44:53 PM
TG
Your graph looks very much like ones I posted. Matt is right; let it run and it will get better.
Sam
Going to do just that TwoCat.
Just let it run.
Aiming to double my balance first.
Then I can give it a little le way.
A little nudge.
And I am waiting on Matt to send me some settings and things to test out.
So I can post them in as well.
More vids on the way.
As soon as Matt approves em that is.
Ok, had to re ajust the pm from Matt.
Quote"I would however recommend you play the even-chance system. Keep your unit size at .02c. Set your win amount at $10.00. Set bet reset to .20c. Select all three categories and let it run."
So we will see how that goes.
I asked for a stop loss point.
And some other info.
Still waiting for the video approval.
Two more pics.
The second one I did a video for.
Just got this email from Murph...
QuoteCHARLES'S OWN PERSONAL BET !
THAT THE IDIOTS ON VLS (Very Lonely Suckers) are now about to be taken on the biggest con-ride they have ever known. Drawn out over as long as it takes, this member will suck them into his invisible traps. Only two members are likely to spot it, but the nutters will not wish to hear the truth. Even this warning will not help them. 13thApril.
Charles. Will they thank me for helping....not a chance.!!
PS. I had better give them an easy clue
Thomas Grant..the super duper (backdoor) salesman who already has them straining to buy the super roulette bot-chup. You can not beat this gang, because they "know" you all to well. Your brains are now "UNDER THEIR CONTROL" ...WHOW!
PPS. Another one who will drive them nuts....winwithmath!
NO MORE CLUES ! Sorry if the clues are too difficult for some of you. SHOOT THE MESSENGER...CHARLES IS THE MESSENGER
Copyright 2007-2009. charles. All rights reserved.
Make of it what you will.
I wouldn't bother replying to the above message.
We get them alot in here.
From all sorts.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
Life is a stage , coach... (John Wayne)
Ok, I have reached the $50 mark.
So I am in profit of $20
Just taking it easy.
Using one system.
Going for short gains.
Any profit is better than no profit.
Aiming to get $60
Building it up slowly.
So I can push it a little later on.
Looking good Tom! Taking it slow at first is the way to go. You haven't got to big of a balance yet to support higher chip unit values. Build up slow, patience is virtue. Looking forward to some more posts.
Quote from: Tiago2 on April 15, 2009, 01:15:53 PM
Looking good Tom! Taking it slow at first is the way to go. You haven't got to big of a balance yet to support higher chip unit values. Build up slow, patience is virtue. Looking forward to some more posts.
Thanks Tiago.
This has got to be one of your better bots.
In fact all your bots are fantastic.
Going to ask Victor if I could do something similar
to these posts with Roulette Bot Pro V2.
Or ask TwoCat.
No affiliate links.
No hype.
Only results.
Good or bad.
So as soon as it is released
I may do something similar if I am allowed to.
Tom
I have no problem with tests. I won't speak for the other guys.
Sam
$1...
Now that took a while.
Thomas
I was running the bot and it stopped at $100 and I looked at the limits and they have changed. Are yours still .01 to 300? Mine went up on one end and down on the other.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 15, 2009, 04:10:36 PM
Thomas
I was running the bot and it stopped at $100 and I looked at the limits and they have changed. Are yours still .01 to 300? Mine went up on one end and down on the other.
Sam
Err not sure.
What system you talking about?
I am only using it on even bets.
Haven't changed a thing.
PS: Glad we are on speaking terms again.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 15, 2009, 04:10:36 PM
Thomas
I was running the bot and it stopped at $100 and I looked at the limits and they have changed. Are yours still .01 to 300? Mine went up on one end and down on the other.
Sam
Sam, are you referring to the limits at Bet Voyager?
Matt
I certainly am.........
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 15, 2009, 05:47:14 PM
I certainly am.........
Ahh, then that would be a BetVoyager problem.
Not a Super Roulette problem. I guess.
As far as I can see it is not the bot that is winning.
At Bot-Test would be a test if the bot would bet as I told him.
As there is a secret made on the strategy that is played, this turns to be a systems-test.
You can get the system with the bot.
Is that system-selling?
just my two cents
br
winkel
Quote from: Winkel
As far as I can see it is not the bot that is winning.
At Bot-Test would be a test if the bot would bet as I told him.
As there is a secret made on the strategy that is played, this turns to be a systems-test.
br
winkel
Hi Winkel, thanks for your input, however your comments are a little ambiguous. The BOT is betting
as it is told, according to the settings configured by the user for any of the four systems available. To have a BOT built that could bet according to ANY system you could think up, would be nigh on impossible. There needs to be certain criteria defined, for it to be workable.
Cheers
Matt
Quote from: thomasgrant
Ok, I have reached the $50 mark.
So I am in profit of $20
Just taking it easy.
Using one system.
Going for short gains.
Any profit is better than no profit.
Aiming to get $60
Building it up slowly.
So I can push it a little later on.
Nice going Tom, glad to see you sticking to the suggested chip sizes for your bankroll. Once you have doubled your initial bankroll you can do one of three things:
- remove the 30 Euro you won, and start the process again but this time you are using the casino's money
- as above but considering you are now using casino money, you could (I say this with caution) play a little more aggressively.
- leave your balance as is ~ 60 Euro and simply increase your bet to .03 chip size.
You have done well so far. Playing with .02 chip and going from 45 to 50 Euro is 250 units, which is great going.
Remember be patient and keep it slow and steady - utilise the automation.
Cheers
Matt
Quote from: super-roulette on April 15, 2009, 07:48:08 PM
Nice going Tom, glad to see you sticking to the suggested chip sizes for your bankroll. Once you have doubled your initial bankroll you can do one of three things:
- remove the 30 Euro you won, and start the process again but this time you are using the casino's money
- as above but considering you are now using casino money, you could (I say this with caution) play a little more aggressively.
- leave your balance as is ~ 60 Euro and simply increase your bet to .03 chip size.
You have done well so far. Playing with .02 chip and going from 45 to 50 Euro is 250 units, which is great going.
Remember be patient and keep it slow and steady - utilise the automation.
Cheers
Matt
Well, yeah, I would like it to make at least $100 before taking any money out.
And then make a withdraw of $50
That way I make a small profit.
And still have a bit to play with.
Using the casinos money.
And not mine.
Quote from: Winkel on April 15, 2009, 06:38:49 PM
As far as I can see it is not the bot that is winning.
At Bot-Test would be a test if the bot would bet as I told him.
As there is a secret made on the strategy that is played, this turns to be a systems-test.
You can get the system with the bot.
Is that system-selling?
just my two cents
br
winkel
Not sure what your point is.
All bots that I have seen have systems in them.
And it is up to the user to chose what system to play.
I have chosen to use one system on the bot.
For the time being.
Will use more as my balance grows.
I have no idea how the system works.
And frankly could not care less.
I am after results.
Aren't we all?
QuoteAt Bot-Test would be a test if the bot would bet as I told him.
Ummm, remind me what you told me to do?
And I will see if I can do it for you.
Thomas
Have you checked to see if the betting limits on your Bet Voyager account have changed? Mine definitely have. The single number bet was .01 to 300 and is now .01 to 100.
Maybe I played too much.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 16, 2009, 12:19:50 AM
Thomas
Have you checked to see if the betting limits on your Bet Voyager account have changed? Mine definitely have. The single number bet was .01 to 300 and is now .01 to 100.
Maybe I played too much.
Sam
Sam, I can confirm that single number betting limits are from .01 - 100. I am not sure what they were previously however as have not ventured anywhere near that.
Even chance is .01 to 1000 and dozens is .01 to 600
Matt
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 16, 2009, 12:19:50 AM
Thomas
Have you checked to see if the betting limits on your Bet Voyager account have changed? Mine definitely have. The single number bet was .01 to 300 and is now .01 to 100.
Maybe I played too much.
Sam
Ohh, ok,
How do I check that?
Now, for some criticism.
There are two points of this bot that I don't like.
The speed of play is one of them.
Apparently Tiago is working on updating it.
So the speed of play will increase.
So will have to wait and see.
The other thing.
Is that once you start playing.
You cant do much else.
As it needs mouse input.
This can be a good and bad thing.
Good, because it can get you out of the house.
So you can do some gardening, walk the dog.
Go out to see a movie and so on.
But if you want to do other work on your pc.
Then that is not a thing that you can easily do.
You could watch movie's while it is playing on your pc.
Or your favourite tv series.
Even listen to the radio.
Get them set up before you start playing.
So, in other words.
Let it do it's job.
And you go and enjoy yourself.
Do the things that you like to do.
Come back...
And see what profit you have made.
Hi Thomas,
You will be needing this (attached), it's 4 virtual desktops, switch between the 4 desktops using the F1,F2,F3 & F4 keys. I am able to run 3 casino's and still have 1 desktop available for work i need to do. Try it, you will be impressed.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: MXkid77 on April 16, 2009, 02:53:40 AM
Hi Thomas,
You will be needing this (attached), it's 4 virtual desktops, switch between the 4 desktops using the F1,F2,F3 & F4 keys. I am able to run 3 casino's and still have 1 desktop available for work I need to do. Try it, you will be impressed.
:thumbsup:
Thanks will give it a go later on.
$3.34c
Ok, I have two green arrows in the picture.
This is where I had two panic attacks.
Called Matt twice.
He held my hand. Said relax.
Get out of the house.
Go do something else.
So I have been out gardening.
Just let it run he said.
And I did.
One of these days I may do a long run.
For over 1000 spins.
Now that I am in profit.
And getting closer to my target of $60
I would like to see it get there.
I may stick to a game plan.
That is. To go for $2 at a time.
At $0.02c, that makes 100 units.
And that aint bad.
:o
Matt will be sending me some suggestions on what he would like on a video.
I have sent Matt a few examples of my games.
So I am just waiting for him to clarify what he would like.
And what he wants me to show.
Overall, I am most impressed with the service I am getting.
And the assistance. The bot is very good.
Does what it is supposed to do.
And as you can see, if you have been following my progress.
It seems to be working.
So far so good.
If you have any questions.
Ask Matt. Send him a pm.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 16, 2009, 12:19:50 AM
Thomas
Have you checked to see if the betting limits on your Bet Voyager account have changed? Mine definitely have. The single number bet was .01 to 300 and is now .01 to 100.
Maybe I played too much.
Sam
Sam, BetVoyager is not the only Casino that has reduced it's allowable bets.
Many of em have.
I can recall when I first got a hold of Bet365
And used it's casino. At first.
It had a minimum of $0.25c bets and a max of $200
Now all that is changed.
Many of the casinos that I have accounts with have changed the table limits.
Not sure what that means. It can be difficult to make a profit at times.
So I guess the old statement is still true.
"The house always wins"
Just got this from Matt.
Quote"That being said, you will get runs that go for and against you, but as long as you have the bankroll then you will be able to absorb the swings and wait out the downturns.
Bet reset helps protect your balance as it resets the running count for each category once the reset amount is reached. This helps guard against two or three bad runs in a row.
You just need to set it and forget it. Your settings at the moment are fine for .02 and your available bankroll. $10.00 as a profit target is okay too, although you may not reach that in one session, it is after all 5000 units.
Just let me know if you have any more questions or concerns"
Nice to see it jumped back up over the $3.00 profit mark which for .02c units is great going!
$2 or 100 units.
Take a look.
Nearly there.
Now to go for 200 units.
May take a little longer.
Table limits were mentioned earlier in this thread. Bet Voyager's table limits are very generous, and my concern is that the systems in the bot depend on getting a good spread between the lowest and highest stakes. This together with the fact that there is no house edge is IMO what the bot relies on. That's fine but this could easily change in future. The only other non-zero roulette game I know of is at Betfair casino, but the table limits are very restricted, there is no way the bot would work there.
Has the bot ever been tested on "normal" casinos where the house edge is in effect and the table limits are more realistic?
Quote from: Tangram on April 16, 2009, 07:11:09 AM
Table limits were mentioned earlier in this thread. Bet Voyager's table limits are very generous, and my concern is that the systems in the bot depend on getting a good spread between the lowest and highest stakes. This together with the fact that there is no house edge is IMO what the bot relies on. That's fine but this could easily change in future.
Has the bot ever been tested on "normal" casinos where the house edge is in effect and the table limits are more realistic?
Hi Tangram, yes the BOT is designed to take advantage of the zero house edge, however it does not rely on this or a large bet spread to be effective.
One of the systems are assisted with the higher table limits, however the other three systems (one of which works flat betting) are not influenced by the available table limits.
We are also planning to support more than just Bet Voyager in the near future, most likely a live dealer casino. Of course the BOT won't be as effective when you play the single zero game - this is simple math, however the ideas were spawned on the single zero table, worked well on the single zero table, then incorporated to the no zero game where they were even better.
Cheers
Matt
You will have to excuse my playing style at times.
I can be a little neurotic and prone to some self doubts at times.
Here is a perfect example.
$1.06c
I could just let it keep going.
Matt tells me to let it just ride.
And it will all work out fine.
Then when you watch it play.
You tend to get ansy.
Prone to doubts.
And questions.
That is why Matt suggested to go and get out of the house.
Do something else. If your the nervous type.
Then this bot may not suit you.
So, what to do?
DONT Watch it.
Do something else.
Get out and enjoy what life has to offer.
Smell the roses.
Take the dog for a walk.
Go for some fresh coffee.
Take in a movie.
Go for a swim.
Or set it up while your away working at your job.
Set a profit target. Or not. Depending how long your going to be away for.
I sure hope Tiago can update this version soon.
So we wont have to wait so long during game play.
Anyway, those are some thoughts to think about.
What is your profit now...€27...$35 after conversion? So you've almost doubled your deposit, this is all good and well but it's only a 12.5% return on your total investment of $280 to get the bot up and running. Seeing a buck here and there is pointless. Get back to us when you've got at least a 700% return on investment. And tell us how how long it takes, to see whether it is worth doubling our electricity bills to let this bot run for hours and hours.
Quote from: Number Six on April 16, 2009, 10:10:18 AM
What is your profit now...€27...$35 after conversion? So you've almost doubled your deposit, this is all good and well but it's only a 12.5% return on your total investment of $280 to get the bot up and running. Seeing a buck here and there is pointless. Get back to us when you've got at least a 700% return on investment. And tell us how how long it takes, to see whether it is worth doubling our electricity bills to let this bot run for hours and hours.
Well, that is your opinion.
And your entitled to it.
But if I did it that way.
People could say and will say.
That I doctored the accounts some how.
Or transferred funds into it.
Or whatever other excuse that people will have.
This way, you can see after each play.
What I am up to.
How I did.
What little gains or big gains I did.
I said from the start.
That I would try to keep a accurate account of what was going on.
It will be a personal journal.
Put on public display.
For those that are interested in how it is going.
I will of course show exactly what system I have chosen to play.
At the moment, I am sticking to even bets.
Seems best for a small start up.
Thomas and Matt
Two things:
1. When I logged onto BV for the first time the limits were .01 to 300 on ALL propositions. Now it goes from .01 to 100 up to .01 to 1000. Thomas, you may check this by clicking on the little sign to the right of the wheel on the felt where it says "Table of payouts and bets". I would appreciate you checking yours and letting us know.
Aside: If anyone else can log on to BV, please check.
2. In the event that software for switching desktops does not work, here's what does. Note that after the "spin" is clicked, the whole rectangular box goes green? While this is happening, your mouse is free. Move it quickly and hit "pause". Now the turn you're on will complete and then it will "pause". Now you can minimize your casino screen and the bot screen. You may now work in another area. When you are finished, just maximize those two screen and click "resume".
I am going to use your exact settings and try for the exact results.
Sam
QuoteI am going to use your exact settings and try for the exact results.
Sam
Not sure if I am using any settings at the moment Sam.
As for the table limits.
Here I managed to capture them.
To paraphrase Matt:
Even chances, all three clicked. Bet .02, reset at .20, profit goal 10.00.
No?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 16, 2009, 11:37:23 AM
To paraphrase Matt:
Even chances, all three clicked. Bet .02, reset at .20, profit goal 10.00.
No?
Sam
Ohh yeah.
Those settings.
You may notice I don't always follow advice.
ROFL...
So Sam, have you managed to set up a REAL account?
And if so, then perhaps you could let the other Yanks know how you did it.
Also, would be great to have someone else post in here their results with the bot.
Then again.
We could be accused of being in collusion.
That is if we haven't been accused of it already.
Then again...
Who gives a toss what others think.
They can make there own mind up.
That is if they have one.
$27.51c in a day.
I started using the bot on the 15 of Apr 09 at 3 minutes past 1 am.
Have a look at the fist picture.
I posted this when I started the journey.
The last picture or should I say the current picture.
Was taken at 9.30 pm on the 15 of Apr.
The next few pictures I do.
Will be over a greater period.
As I have work to do over the weekend.
So as I go of to work.
I will leave the bot running.
And see what results I get when I return.
:)
When you consider that amount.
That aint half bad for a days work.
Well, if you could call it work.
A bit of stress.
With anxiety thrown in.
And a few panic attacks.
Will see how things pan out.
Thomas
I am betting play money still.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 16, 2009, 12:11:06 PM
Thomas
I am betting play money still.
Sam
Ahh, dam...
No way you can get yourself a real account then?
Not even if you use a proxy?
Or a go between.?
I could make an offer for you.
But that would stink of some sort of conspiracy.
Plus, I am not even sure it will work.
Up to you.
Oh, something is in the wind! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Number Six on April 16, 2009, 10:10:18 AM
And tell us how how long it takes, to see whether it is worth doubling our electricity bills to let this bot run for hours and hours.
Oh nice answer, very clever and interesting, without a doubt.
Are you killing me ? It's a software, not a metal bot lol.
I know why you don't like bot now, you thinked it was a metal one in front of your computer, taking your place !
As you, I don't want this kind of bot too... :-X
This is no bull! Jay Leno say McDonald's is experimenting with robots to take your order and serve you.
"You want fries with that?"
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 16, 2009, 12:37:18 PM
This is no bull! Jay Leno say McDonald's is experimenting with robots to take your order and serve you.
"You want fries with that?"
Sam
;D Great, they'll have big electricity bills, like us, bots users, lol :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 16, 2009, 12:37:18 PM
This is no bull! Jay Leno say McDonald's is experimenting with robots to take your order and serve you.
"You want fries with that?"
Sam
Hmmm, interesting.
Have you seen Battle Star Galactica?
The new series?
Won heaps of Emmys.
The last seen was of the modern earth.
And a tv with MSNBC playing on it.
With a few toy robots.
I think, therefore I am. (Asimof)
The Law of Robots.
Ohh I forgot how they go again.
Something about not harming humans.
Quote from: Number Six
What is your profit now...€27...$35 after conversion? So you've almost doubled your deposit, this is all good and well but it's only a 12.5% return on your total investment of $280 to get the bot up and running. Seeing a buck here and there is pointless. Get back to us when you've got at least a 700% return on investment. And tell us how how long it takes, to see whether it is worth doubling our electricity bills to let this bot run for hours and hours.
Oh nice answer, very clever and interesting, without a doubt.
Are you killing me ? It's a software, not a metal bot lol.
I know why you don't like bot now, you thinked it was a metal one in front of your computer, taking your place !
As you, I don't want this kind of bot too... :-X
N6 judging the success of Tom's sessions so far based purely on a dollar amount is not an accurate determinant of success or otherwise. You need to look at how many units he has progressed forward from his starting balance. He only started with a 30 Euro bankroll and this neccesitated that his unit size be kept low. He has only played with 0.10, 0.02 and 0.01 unit sizes - mainly 0.02 So 27.50 Euro profit is actually 1375 units of profit, which in my mind is pretty good going. As his bankroll increases he can safely increase his betting unit size.
If he had started with 1000 Euro as his initial investment and played 0.50c units well he would still be 1375 units up but now he has won 687.50 Euros. This would cover his outlay well and truly, plus eave enough for a small diesel generator and fuel ;)
Regards
Matt
Quote from: super-roulette on April 16, 2009, 10:32:29 PM
N6 judging the success of Tom's sessions so far based purely on a dollar amount is not an accurate determinant of success or otherwise. You need to look at how many units he has progressed forward from his starting balance. He only started with a 30 Euro bankroll and this neccesitated that his unit size be kept low. He has only played with 0.10, 0.02 and 0.01 unit sizes - mainly 0.02 So 27.50 Euro profit is actually 1375 units of profit, which in my mind is pretty good going. As his bankroll increases he can safely increase his betting unit size.
If he had started with 1000 Euro as his initial investment and played 0.50c units well he would still be 1375 units up but now he has won 687.50 Euros. This would cover his outlay well and truly, plus eave enough for a small diesel generator and fuel ;)
Regards
Matt
It's based on a true percentage return of the investment. The rest is ifs and buts. He hasn't won 687.50 euros and he didn't start with a 1000 balance. I know what you're saying but it's just a forecast and has no bearing on the monetary facts. For the sake of the thread I'll stop posting here now, and I'd better carry on looking for my mind - as Thomas Grant clearly alluded to the notion that I haven't got one.
Regarding this:
Quote from: KevinNash
Oh nice answer, very clever and interesting, without a doubt.
Are you killing me ? It's a software, not a metal bot lol.
I know why you don't like bot now, you thinked it was a metal one in front of your computer, taking your place !
As you, I don't want this kind of bot too... :-X
English may not be your second language but I still reserve the right to call this response laughable and absurd. Since when were computers self-powering? Next time you're at school ask one of your teachers about economic efficiency.
Quote from: Number Six
It's based on a true percentage return of the investment. The rest is ifs and buts. He hasn't won 687.50 euros and he didn't start with a 1000 balance. I know what you're saying but it's just a forecast and has no bearing on the monetary facts. For the sake of the thread I'll stop posting here now, and I'd better carry on looking for my mind - as Thomas Grant clearly alluded to the notion that I haven't got one.
N6 I certainly dont think you have lost your mind. Your input is welcomed and it is obvious you have an excellent grasp of what the software is attemting to do, whether it can in fact do it - that is where our opnions seem to differ.
Regards
Matt
Quote from: super-rouletteN6 judging the success of Tom's sessions so far based purely on a dollar amount is not an accurate determinant of success or otherwise. You need to look at how many units he has progressed forward from his starting balance. He only started with a 30 Euro bankroll and this neccesitated that his unit size be kept low. He has only played with 0.10, 0.02 and 0.01 unit sizes - mainly 0.02 So 27.50 Euro profit is actually 1375 units of profit, which in my mind is pretty good going. As his bankroll increases he can safely increase his betting unit size.
Quote from: Number SixIt's based on a true percentage return of the investment. The rest is ifs and buts. He hasn't won 687.50 euros and he didn't start with a 1000 balance. I know what you're saying but it's just a forecast and has no bearing on the monetary facts.
I have to agree with Matt. N6 if what you say is true then what would be the point of testing any system? All system tests result in zero monetary gain, so does this mean that all testing is worthless, even if the test shows that the system would have made a good profit (relative to starting bankroll) over a significant number of spins? Surely that would be absurd.
QuoteThomas Grant clearly alluded to the notion that I haven't got one.
Well, you have a go at me so often.
I may have alluded. But try not to accused.
Quote from: Number Six on April 16, 2009, 10:58:12 PM
English may not be your second language but I still reserve the right to call this response laughable and absurd. Since when were computers self-powering? Next time you're at school ask one of your teachers about economic efficiency.
Your right is your right, OK... I have a second language, do you have one ?
Do you really think Thomas use his computer only to run this bot ? Mine run 24/24, 7/7 since years and so what ? My electricity bills are less than 80 € each month, for a 120 m² individual house...
Do you really think this bot will increase his electricity bills ? YOU ARE clearly laughable and absurd having said that, so forget it and move away, don't be more ridiculous...
You made a mistake, nobody is perfect, we'll forget that, no problem, just reserving my right here N°6 ;)
Quote from: KevinNash
Your right is your right, OK... I have a second language, do you have one ?
Latin.
I presume you're still learning English at school. If I can assist with your homework let me know, always happy to help children when I can.
Quote from: Tangram
I have to agree with Matt. N6 if what you say is true then what would be the point of testing any system? All system tests result in zero monetary gain, so does this mean that all testing is worthless, even if the test shows that the system would have made a good profit (relative to starting bankroll) over a significant number of spins? Surely that would be absurd.
It's conjecture, Tangram. When testing a system the only thing you should consider is what exactly happened. Saying "well, I used 0.50 chips and a 100 BR. If I'd have used 1 chips and a 200 BR, I'd have doubled my profit." It's true but it didn't happen. You can't test like that because the figures aren't real. Drawing anything from non-existent, forecasted numbers is naive.
Well, I left for work today.
At 4.30 pm.
It is now 11.55 pm.
Just came home to see how things where going.
I started the bot at 4.25pm
And here are the results so far.
$6.44c at $0.02c for each section.
So I have reached my gaol of $60 and then some.
I am going to continue letting it play.
Until I return from my shift.
And that should be in a few hours time.
See if it can reach the $10 mark.
Two hours later...
Well, I went back to work for a bit.
Came back. Saw a big dip.
Hmmm, not happy.
Went away again.
Came back, it had recovered.
So I nearly made $7
I have doubled my money.
You can see in this picture.
At stage 1, was when I first took the screen shot.
Stage 2, was about an hour of so later.
Stage 3, is where I am at now.
I think I will leave it there and start again.
Take my profits.
And start again.
Despite the speed of play.
And that apparently there may still be a bug in the software.
The results are looking good.
Now from $30 to $60 is that 100% or 1000%
I will have to figure it out when I return.
That is also 300 + units. at $0.02c each section.
And that aint bad at all.
Just over 1000 spins.
Took about 10 hrs of play.
Shore hope the next version would run faster than that.
Now onto Number Sixes concern about price.
The bot cost.
$249.00 USD
That is what I paid for it.
That equates to
$249.00 USD
=
$345.353 AUD
Now I put into the casino.
30.00 EUR
=
54.2299 AUD
And my current balance stands at.
64.69 EUR
=
116.957 AUD
$345.353 AUD - $116.957 AUD
=
$228.396 AUD to go.
That makes
228.396 AUD
=
126.297 EUR
Before I am square.
Or at least paid for the software.
Well I got to add an extra $30 EUR for my initial deposit.
And make a bit extra as well.
So it looks like I have a bit to go, till anyone is remotely impressed.
Just keep swimming, (Dory from Finding Nemo)
As soon as it reaches $70
I may after consultation with Matt.
Increase the bet size to $0.03c
And do a first run of 100 units.
That is $3.
See how that goes.
Quote from: Number Six on April 17, 2009, 09:41:13 AM
Latin.
:D ;D :D
Bet that answer was not expected....
I'd get back to your testing No.6 & leave these bot people alone....
butting heads only causes headaches, even in this virtual world.... 8)
Internal RNG...
Ok, Now take a close look at this picture.
This is using the Internal RNG.
So results are not typical.
Just to show you that these things are not fallible.
In the red...
Not to sure about Internal RNG.
Or how accurate it is.
Or what that says about the software.
Or the system it uses.
My guess is.
To use good money management.
Make a profit.
And live for another day.
Will have to see what Matt has to say on this one.
Xman has named us "bot people". Kills me!! ;D
Thomas Grant
Man, that greed is already getting to ya! Wanting to go to three-cent bets! Tsk Tsk
Sm
$6 RNG
Ok, now for the plus side.
You have seen the negative with Internal RNG.
Now for a setting that seems to do well.
Tested it 5 times.
Did not reach my stop loss.
More test to follow.
Will have to get Matt to clarify.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 17, 2009, 03:30:26 PM
Xman has named us "bot people". Kills me!! ;D
Thomas Grant
Man, that greed is already getting to ya! Wanting to go to three-cent bets! The Spiders Kiss The Spiders Kiss
Sm
Umm yeah...
Will get help and ideas from Matt on what to do next.
So I can proceed with caution.
PS: Have you tried it with internal RNG?
What are your thoughts on it?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 17, 2009, 03:30:26 PM
Xman has named us "bot people". Kills me!! ;D
This guy must be your King then guys... ;D
Peter Crouch's Robotic Dance (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=b90gpqFp5Bw#lq-lq2-hq-vhq)
Hit the words NOT the screen guys :( Boy technology at my age is a pain..... :-[
TG
No I have no tried anything but the real button. I am off to eat lasagna and will let the computer run for the evening.
Sam
Quote from: thomasgrant
So I nearly made $7
I have doubled my money.
Nice going Tom, good to see you had the discipline to just let it run. You have doubled your deposit and then some :thumbsup:
I will PM you with how I think you should approach your next session.
Regards
Matt
Quote from: thomasgrant
Just over 1000 spins.
Took about 10 hrs of play.
Shore hope the next version would run faster than that.
Tom, the next release
will be faster. Although 1000 spins in 10 hours, fully automated is still pretty good in my mind.
Regards
Matt
Quote from: thomasgrant
Not to sure about Internal RNG.
Or how accurate it is.
Or what that says about the software.
Tom, good to see you using the RNG and testing different settings, however the internal RNG of the software should be used only as a rough guide of expected results.
Mainly because the random numbers are generated entirely differently by the software compared to the casino.
It is a good tool to simulate thousands of spins, but its accuracy should not be taken as definitive.
Regards
Matt
Quote from: super-roulette on April 17, 2009, 06:55:14 PM
Nice going Tom, good to see you had the discipline to just let it run. You have doubled your deposit and then some :thumbsup:
I will PM you with how I think you should approach your next session.
Regards
Matt
Well, it wasn't that hard really.
As I wasn't here to see what was going on anyway. I was away working.
Came back, and I was in profit.
Got a few more questions for you.
But I will send em via pm.
Thanks again for your assistance.
Quote from: super-roulette on April 17, 2009, 07:04:16 PM
Tom, good to see you using the RNG and testing different settings, however the internal RNG of the software should be used only as a rough guide of expected results.
Mainly because the random numbers are generated entirely differently by the software compared to the casino.
It is a good tool to simulate thousands of spins, but its accuracy should not be taken as definitive.
Regards
Matt
Ahh, yeah.
I thought so.
Because the system can fail sometimes.
Wanted to give some of the other systems a go.
See how they do.
But will wait for advice.
Well here. I think you will be impressed with this.
Then again. Some of you are very hard to please.
Here are 3 pictures.
The first one is a small test I did with $0.03c chip bets.
The other two are the ones you should take note of.
Part one is the screen before I left for work.
Part two is when I returned some 13 hours later.
$17.76c
Now at $0.02c chip units with a progression settings.
That is very good.
Quote from: thomasgrant
Part one is the screen before I left for work.
Part two is when I returned some 13 hours later.
$17.76c
Great session there Tom! Well over 800 units.
You have now almost trebled your starting balance. You could now comfortably remove your initial deposit and play with the casino's money. Or stay as is and push up over 100 Euro.
Regards
Matt
Quote from: super-roulette on April 18, 2009, 07:04:33 PM
Great session there Tom! Well over 800 units.
You have now almost trebled your starting balance. You could now comfortably remove your initial deposit and play with the casino's money. Or stay as is and push up over 100 Euro.
Regards
Matt
Yeah I got a plan to go to $120 +
Then take out $40
And leave in $80
That way, I made a profit.
Of $10 on my deposit.
And I will be playing with the Casinos money.
Like my diving instructor said.
Plan the dive.
Dive the plan.
$6 and now I am up $90+
3x$30 = $90
I have started using $0.03c chip bets.
Quote from: thomasgrant
$6 and now I am up $90+
3x$30 = $90
Nice work Tom. You are closing in on your $120 target. :)
Matt
$102.21
:o :thumbsup:
If you look at the picture.
You can see a few green arrows.
Very low points of the game.
Had a major panic attack.
Called Matt.
Calm down he said.
And Don't Panic.
I was having a neurotic attack...
Called him again...
Sent him sms after sms.
Help...
Calm down.
Breath deeply...
In, .....
Out.....
In.....
Out...
Don't Panic.
Get out of the house.
Take your dog for a walk.
I did.
Came back and felt a lot better.
And saw it was in the green.
I like green.
Green is good.
Quote from: thomasgrant on April 20, 2009, 01:48:31 AM
$102.21
:o :thumbsup:
Nice going Tom. Cracking the ton is great work!
Matt
Quote from: super-roulette on April 20, 2009, 02:06:19 AM
Nice going Tom. Cracking the ton is great work!
Matt
Could not have done it without your fantastic assistance.
Thanks a million...
$120
:thumbsup:
I got there.
That is 4 x $30
I did have a plan to take some out.
However.
Plans can change.
Just like the weather.
Just keep swimming.
Ok, I have not posted in this topic for a while.
This may be the last post from me, in this topic.
So here goes.
I DID IT...
€240
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2Fpics%2F%24240.jpg&hash=b16e09d64176d3d44a30f849b6e2e1d179176d58)
Ok, now as you may know.
The software cost.
$249 USD.
€ Euro $USD $AUD (What I paid)
€188 EUR = $249 USD = $340 AUD
€30 EUR = $40 USD = $54 AUD (Deposit into Casino)
Total
€218 EUR = $289 USD = $394 AUD
In a little over two weeks.
The software has managed to pay for itself.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2Fpics%2F%24250.jpg&hash=b3e2f37083e07a5952341e455818fcc36246d3fd)
Why did it take so long?
Ohh dear.
The things I went through.
From nearly losing it all.
To building it up again.
To nearly losing it all again.
Then reaching my goal.
I just don't have the energy to tell of what exactly happened.
So I have included a .zip file
Right click and save file as.
nolinks://nolinks.thomasrgrant.com/stuff/game.zip (nolinks://nolinks.thomasrgrant.com/stuff/game.zip)
With many of the screen shots
of what took place over the past few weeks.
Many recent pictures as well.
Pictures tell it better than what I can in words.
This software has paid for itself.
And then some.
Going for €300
Then onto €1000
1,000.00 EUR
=
1,810.89 AUD
Thanks for posting your results Thomas. It would be good to hear future results too, see if this baby holds up long term - think it will givien how many 1000s of spins it's done so far. That it's paid for itself and built up the BR 8X is impressive for a bot some said wont/cant work.
Can I ask 2 things mate:
1. Was the bot running for the last two weeks straight?
2. And can you ramp up the base unit to achieve that 1000euro faster?
Quote from: roules on May 02, 2009, 12:51:16 AM
Thanks for posting your results Thomas. It would be good to hear future results too, see if this baby holds up long term - think it will givien how many 1000s of spins it's done so far. That it's paid for itself and built up the BR 8X is impressive for a bot some said wont/cant work.
Can I ask 2 things mate:
1. Was the bot running for the last two weeks straight?
2. And can you ramp up the base unit to achieve that 1000euro faster?
Quote from: roules on May 02, 2009, 12:51:16 AM
Thanks for posting your results Thomas. It would be good to hear future results too, see if this baby holds up long term - think it will givien how many 1000s of spins it's done so far. That it's paid for itself and built up the BR 8X is impressive for a bot some said wont/cant work.
Can I ask 2 things mate:
1. Was the bot running for the last two weeks straight?
2. And can you ramp up the base unit to achieve that 1000euro faster?
No, not two weeks straight.
As for the base unit.
Matt says play safe.
And that is what I am doing.
If in doubt ask Matt...
He is so good on support.
I may go up a notch.
All depends on what Matt says.
Quote from: roules on May 02, 2009, 12:51:16 AM
2. And can you ramp up the base unit to achieve that 1000euro faster?
Hi Roules,
The software needs to be considered an investment tool. Tom only started with 30 E, this was all he wanted to invest. Many people would be inclined to invest 10 or even 100 times that. You can choose to play ANY unit size you wish, the systems do not rely on steep progressions and a large bet spread is not required.
Matt
So I started with.
€30
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2F10-e.jpg&hash=33caa08f5abfd80d375a387b6637ec7ab3cbb190)
Doubled it.
€60
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2F60.jpg&hash=df2ad0e80d5260de39974ec0dfab21a011fe1e94)
Doubled it.
€120
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2F120.jpg&hash=8f971d91055c42ea820d0faf98cd34eb974b53a0)
And
Doubled it again.
€240
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2F240.jpg&hash=5539ffada936fcaf855c0402ad78253909f32f47)
All........
Thomas is doing better than I am. I pulled a real bone-head, disregarded Matt's advice and paid the price for it. Yes, during mid-stream you can pause the bot, change your system, your bet amount--then--later--you can change your underwear!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 02, 2009, 11:16:19 AM
All........
Thomas is doing better than I am. I pulled a real bone-head, disregarded Matt's advice and paid the price for it. Yes, during mid-stream you can pause the bot, change your system, your bet amount--then--later--you can change your underwear!
Sam
Good one TwoCat.
Hey I got very close to getting a new pair of undies.
Hmmm, there are times you think you have it.
And times you don't.
So far the software has performed well.
And keeps making me money.
But I guess under extreme conditions.
It could fail.
You got to have a good bank roll and smart playing to stay in the game.
And have good internet connection.
One of the big issues is the massive draw down.
It can spend hours down below the line.
In the red. Before ever seeing the light of day.
And you just don't know how far down it will go.
On good days.
It does well.
But on bad days.
If you ain't got the balance.
And your not using the correct settings.
You could lose it all.
Note: I said could.
The software does what it is supposed to do.
Bounces back, you just got to give it time.
I have lost internet connection and lost a few dollars.
Then BetVoyager locked up on me and I lost a bit more.
But, I somehow recovered and made a profit.
As for the draw down.
I have seen it stay down there for about 4 to 5 hours.
Sometimes longer.
Then slowly work it's way up again.
Matt is constantly telling me not to watch it.
So I go out and do some gardening.
Walk the dog.
Do whatever.
And come back.
I aim to get to €500 by the end of the week.
Slow and steady.
I have changed my tack.
Go the slow way.
Anything else would be madness.
Now that I built up a substantial balance.
I would rather like to keep it.
If I can get to €500
I will take out half.
That way, I would of covered my cost for the software.
And the deposit. Plus made a little extra.
The software has out performed many other ideas that I have tried.
And made me a constant profit.
There have been times when I have made mistakes.
And the draw down was so close to closing me out.
That it looked like only a miracle would save me.
But apart from that.
Everything is going according to what Matt has stated.
Apparently, Matt is looking into other ideas to improve the bot.
Things to stop the massive draw down.
Or at least slow it's fast down trend.
As I stated at the start of the this thread.
My initial input or deposit.
Was only €30
It is now up to €275
€30 may not be enough to start with.
But it worked for me.
Short games.
And some long ones.
Learning as I go.
About 22 days later.
€275
That makes it about $11 a day.
Some final thoughts.
It's only money...
Win some lose some.
The house always wins.
If in doubt, ask Matt.
Don't Panic.
Play safe.
Play safe.
Slow and steady.
Inch by Inch, is a cinch.
Make up your own mind.
If you don't, someone else will.
Just keep swimming.
Always look on the bright side of life.
-----------------------------------------
Will continue to post my progress as it happens.
Look out for the next one.
The mighty 300...
PS: I have include a bigday-4500.txt file.
This is where I nearly lost my undies.
So many times I wanted to quit.
So close to the mark.
Swear, not ever again.
Quote from: thomasgrant on May 04, 2009, 07:44:55 AM
As I stated at the start of the this thread.
My initial input or deposit.
Was only €30
It is now up to €275
€30 may not be enough to start with.
About 22 days later.
€275
That makes it about $11 a day.
Will continue to post my progress as it happens.
Look out for the next one.
The mighty 300...
Fantastic going Tom, more than 9X your deposit :)
Matt
If there is no house edge, the maths says that the best you can do is break even. But then it also says that in a perfectly fair game, the side with the biggest bankroll will always win, because they will be able to ride out the variance. A progression is not necessary, in fact it only increases the risk. I'm sure you could flat-bet larger units and end up with the same result. Ride out the downswings and quit on the upswings.
Thanks again for the update. Yes it can be risky business but so far so good.
Hi Guy's,
can this software only be used on a no zero wheel ?
Kind regards,
Davemd.
??? Just read the topic please, BetVoyager No Zero RNG only :thumbsup:
New software is in the pipeline for many casinos. I've said too much already.............
I can smell live wheel coming and also... STOP :-X
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Need I say more?
10X deposit now Tom - great going.
Matt
Quote from: Davemd on May 04, 2009, 07:10:22 PM
Hi Guy's,
can this software only be used on a no zero wheel ?
Kind regards,
Davemd.
Davemd, I chose this as the casino of choice , because of the even odds, why play a -2.7% game when you can play with no house edge?
Saying that, RNG certainly is alot different to a real wheel, so we will be adding live dealer support soon.
Matt
€33
In a one day session.
Made my initial deposit.
In one day.
Lets see if I can keep doing that all week.
Quote from: thomasgrant on May 05, 2009, 09:00:16 AM
€33
In a one day session.
Made my initial deposit.
In one day.
Incredible effort Tom! Well done :) Remember,
Slowly,
Steadily,
Surely.
Thanks Matt,
just personally myself I would be much more interested in a version you could use on a live wheel,
I just dont really like rng,
Regards,
Davemd.
Quote from: Davemd on May 05, 2009, 08:42:45 PM
Thanks Matt,
just personally myself I would be much more interested in a version you could use on a live wheel,
I just dont really like rng,
Regards,
Davemd.
Totally understand Davemd,would be nice if there was a
live NO-ZERO wheel :)
Matt
seems very pricey for a roulette bot , will anyone post a free copy in downloads
Quote from: ruelfox on May 06, 2009, 06:29:15 PM
seems very pricey for a roulette bot , will anyone post a free copy in downloads
Yeah, there will be one in there.
Look for NWR or NWRS.
If your after something for nuffin.
Quote from: ruelfox on May 06, 2009, 06:29:15 PM
seems very pricey for a roulette bot , will anyone post a free copy in downloads
Hi ruelfox
The price is a reflection of its effectiveness.
Matt
will anyone post a free copy in downloads
Strange thing about this software.........
It logs onto the internet each time you run it. It knows where it is supposed to live, and if it doesn't report the right computer, then trouble happens. I don't know this for sure, but I think it can be totally disabled if it is running on the wrong computer.
This is good! When the finished product (if it can ever be finished) is released, only those who pay for it will have it. And they won't be posting it on forum boards.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 06, 2009, 10:18:34 PM
I don't know this for sure, but I think it can be totally disabled if it is running on the wrong computer.
This is good!
Sam
That is spot on Sam.
Matt
Well, I have done it again...
Doubled it...
:) ;D ;) €30
:) :) ;D ;D ;) ;) €60
:) :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) €120
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) €240
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) €480
In just under 30 days.
My next two targets or goals are.
€500
and
€562
$1,000.00 AUD
=
€561.367 EUR
Then onto €960 (Doubled again)
and the big €1000
Heading towards €3000
And that will be €30 x 10,000%
Umm, I think that is correct.
Then I can take out half.
€1,500.00 EUR
=
$2,673.27 AUD
Enough for a holiday to Bali.
And then come back
Make a bit more.
Then take Mum to Europe.
Good stuff mate, although don't get too ahead of yourself just yet. :)
Quote from: thomasgrant on May 11, 2009, 06:50:25 AM
Well, I have done it again...
Doubled it...
€480
In just under 30 days.
Amazing effort Tom!
Stick to what has worked for you so far - slow and steady.
Matt
Wow sounds good, have you tried to withdraw any of it yet?
Would like to know if there will be problems withdrawing after using this.
But sure looks promising.
Nice doubeling up mate :yahoo:
BR
Kingpin
Good work Thom, good to see things still progressing (no pun intended).
Quote$30 was my initial start balance.
Anything above that.
Is a bonus.
The bonus continues to grow.
@ Matt - will this thing work on flash casinos or the casino downloadable software only?
Quote from: roules on May 11, 2009, 09:12:51 AM
@ Matt - will this thing work on flash casinos or the casino downloadable software only?
Luke,
It is designed to work with the downloadable software.
Cheers
Matt
Quote from: Kingpin on May 11, 2009, 08:32:11 AM
Wow sounds good, have you tried to withdraw any of it yet?
Would like to know if there will be problems withdrawing after using this.
But sure looks promising.
Nice doubeling up mate :yahoo:
BR
Kingpin
A few people have asked about withdrawing funds.
So I took the plunge.
And made a withdrawal.
This is from the BetVoyager website.
Date Amount Purse Status Action
11.05.2009 €61 NETELLER: 4###### success
And this is from my Neteller site.
May 11 14:52 Betcruise.com - $81.05 USD Accepted
Well after reaching my goal of €480
And losing €20 due to connection problems.
I am left with €400
So I divided it.
Put €200 in the kitty.
And the rest to play with.
Win or lose now.
Makes no difference.
Up front.
In profit.
Paid for the bot in just over two weeks.
Had some good runs.
Had some bad runs.
Still a great bot to use.
hi, this is my first post on this forum, but i'm long time reader. I'm very interested about this software because i believe this kind of bot can work on betvoyager. I played there with good results but it takes too much time to play without bot so i tilted and withdraw my winnings. it's nice to see good results and if i had money right now i'd give it a try also.
thomas? isn't it illegal to play with bot? And you put these screenshots to place where everyone can see them. Aren't you worried that someone at betvoyager finds this conversation here? Those pictures shows your account name and everything. . Just wondering. . . But anyways let's hope bot keeps winning! and someday i can afford buying it!
hope my english is understandable
Your written English is excellent! Well done. :)
It's better than many posts on this site written by people whose first language is English...
You asked some VERY good questions. It will be interesting to see the answers.
Quote from: thomasgrant
Well after reaching my goal of €480
And losing €20 due to connection problems.
I am left with €400
Curious...what happened to the other 60?
Quote from: Number Six on May 12, 2009, 09:36:08 AM
Curious...what happened to the other 60?
I took it out.
Read the withdraw above.
I can post screens shots if you like.
Or provide a recite.
The money was used today to take my Mum to see
Phantom of the Opera for a mothers day gift.
The Phantom is down here in Adelaide.
Playing to capacity crowds.
Well, 60 euro wasn't enough for the original tickets.
But it was enough for the oysters and drinks.
Quote from: wlwhwt on May 12, 2009, 02:56:40 AM
hi, this is my first post on this forum, but I'm long time reader. I'm very interested about this software because I believe this kind of bot can work on betvoyager. I played there with good results but it takes too much time to play without bot so I tilted and withdraw my winnings. it's nice to see good results and if I had money right now I'd give it a try also.
thomas? isn't it illegal to play with bot? And you put these screenshots to place where everyone can see them. Aren't you worried that someone at betvoyager finds this conversation here? Those pictures shows your account name and everything. . Just wondering. . . But anyways let's hope bot keeps winning! and someday I can afford buying it!
hope my english is understandable
Is it illegal?
Not that I know of.
Am I worried?
No, not at all.
Already made a withdrawal once.
Going to do it again.
I put my name to everything I do.
So people can see exactly what I am doing.
Thomas Grant is my real name.
My skype name is thomasgrant
My login name to the forum is thomasgrant
my email address has thomasgrant at the begining of it.
All of the forums I go to have this name.
So you can find me in only 3 roulette forums.
VLS.
MMM
And the other one.
Steves Harmouz site.
If you live in fear.
It is only a life half lived.
Ohh forgot to mention.
My website is also called thomasrgrant.com
Well, as I mentioned in the above post.
I took my Mum out to see the Phantom.
Before I did that.
I started the bot.
I started it many hours before that.
In fact, I started it at 10am that day.
It has been going for over 13 hours.
And I made 70 euro so far.
When I cam back from the opera.
I came home to a very nice surprise indeed.
I made money, while I wasn't even here.
ok. i don't know is it illegal or not, i've always thought all these kind of bots are. . . So you think nothing would happen if i wrote e-mail to betvoyager:" hi, have you seen that thomasgrant uses this awesome robot that makes money automaticly at your casino? And same time he's outside doing gardening. " I'm NOT going to do that but somebody could. I don't think it´d be ok for them. . And don't get me wrong i'm not here picking up any fights.
this is from super roulette website:" Q. If the casino detects I am using the BOT won't they suspend my account?
They will not be able to detect you are using Super Roulette. Super Roulette does not interfere or modify the casino software or security systems in any way. Super Roulette uses custom image based recognition to identify numbers spun, track spins and place bets. it sits 'on top' of the casino software so can not be detected. "
Why is this question answered if it is allowed to use bot?
Quote from: wlwhwt on May 12, 2009, 11:51:43 AM
ok. I don't know is it illegal or not, I've always thought all these kind of bots are. . . So you think nothing would happen if I wrote e-mail to betvoyager:" hi, have you seen that thomasgrant uses this awesome robot that makes money automaticly at your casino? And same time he's outside doing gardening. " I'm NOT going to do that but somebody could. I don't think it´d be ok for them. . And don't get me wrong I'm not here picking up any fights.
this is from super roulette website:" Q. If the casino detects I am using the BOT won't they suspend my account?
They will not be able to detect you are using Super Roulette. Super Roulette does not interfere or modify the casino software or security systems in any way. Super Roulette uses custom image based recognition to identify numbers spun, track spins and place bets. it sits 'on top' of the casino software so can not be detected. "
Why is this question answered if it is allowed to use bot?
Very funny.
Did you know that there a lots of other bots out there?
MMM, RSS, RSS Pro, Roulette Bot Pro, and soon Roulette Bot Pro V2
And many more. I posted a link with them on it.
Are you saying that the people that use these bots with some modicum of success.
Will get noticed? Hmmm, very odd.
It is RNG.
The never ending struggle for the members of this forum and a few other forums.
To come up with systems, ideas, and even bots.
To beat the casinos.
Did you know there is a BlackJack bot as well.
All must keep in mind.
The golden rule to any Casino.
Anywhere in the world.
And that is...
"The house always wins."
Always, in always.
It always wins.
Regardless of bots, systems.
And other foolish attempts to beat the house.
PS: to the above.
I started out with MMM, one of the first bots on the market.
June 17, 2007, 05:39:55 PM
No one has ever stopped MMM.
Or taken any notice.
That was 2 years ago.
All withdraws to my various accounts have been paid.
Seriously. The casinos could not care less.
And if they suddenly do.
Then guess what...
Find another one.
There are so many out there.
Competition is fierce.
PPS: I have just made another withdraw request of 200 euro.
That should be in my account by t/m.
Or Thursday.
So it makes no difference to me what happens.
As I am in profit.
Made well over my initial target.
Paid for the software.
And continue to make a steady profit.
PPPS: I could also change my name.
And set up another account.
The main reason for this post was to be factual.
And to the point.
With screen shots of my journey.
Maybe you could tell Sam that his account may also be compromised.
I think he would get a kick out of that.
I know there are lots of bots and i think some of them have somekind of "random delay" to bets so it doesnt look like bot. Why is there that option if these bots are acceptable? doesn't make any sense but i'll guess you have answer to that too. Or else I made that randomdelay thing in my head, that's possible too but i remember seeing that somewhere. . .
Quote from: wlwhwt on May 12, 2009, 12:29:34 PM
I know there are lots of bots and I think some of them have somekind of "random delay" to bets so it doesn't look like bot. Why is there that option if these bots are acceptable? doesn't make any sense but I'll guess you have answer to that too. Or else I made that randomdelay thing in my head, that's possible too but I remember seeing that somewhere. . .
Well it is an option.
I never use it.
But it is there for those that wish to stay in the shadows. Or at least appear to be in the shadows.
Bots are made for one reason.
And one reason only.
To play roulette automatically.
It may seem to the data centre that if you use variable speeds of play, it may make you look more human. Well that is the theory at any rate.
So it was put in.
To give scardy cats a wimp out clause.
To not take responsibility for their own actions.
I play Super at full speed.
To the max, or just below the max speed.
Have had only minor problems.
Like the balance not keeping up.
But normally.
It works just fine running at nearly warp speed.
hi guys,
my first post here as well but been reading for around 3 weeks now. I was looking at this bot and am very curious about it, was also looking at the other bots. . .
Anyway i digress, i signed up to help and to clarify that bots are legal at betvoyager. I have read their ToS and there is nothing relating to bots or anything like that, whereas compare this to other sites such as the ones that use playtech (Which roulette bot works on) all have warnings saying that they do not allow "robots". So the answer is they are legal and safe to use, (on Betvoyager which is the only site (at the moment) that Super Roulette supports).
The results do look promising I have to say. Can I ask Thomas, or someone that has used it how long it took to setup to be successful and if you are continously tweaking it each time you play or whether its the same now as it was? Have you tried the different configurations? from what I understand there is progression, even chance and inside numbers.
Thanks :D
Quote from: thomasgrant
I took it out.
Read the withdraw above.
I can post screens shots if you like.
Or provide a recite.
The money was used today to take my Mum to see
Phantom of the Opera for a mothers day gift.
The Phantom is down here in Adelaide.
Playing to capacity crowds.
Well, 60 euro wasn't enough for the original tickets.
But it was enough for the oysters and drinks.
You said you reached 480, lost 20 due to connection problems = 460. Then you said you split the rest in half. Withdrew half and kept the other as your BR. The screen shot shows you had 480, then you lost 20, withdrew 200 and had 200 left...so where is the other 60? Honestly I don't really care, but it's odd and I can't help wondering what happened to it.
QuoteYou said you reached 480, lost 20 due to connection problems = 460. Then you said you split the rest in half. Withdrew half and kept the other as your BR. The screen shot shows you had 480, then you lost 20, withdrew 200 and had 200 left...so where is the other 60? Honestly I don't really care, but it's odd and I can't help wondering what happened to it.
Ok, so lets do the maths again.
$482 is what is on this picture in this post.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg54363/#msg54363 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg54363/#msg54363)
Lost $20
That makes $460
Took $61 out.
This is from the BetVoyager website.
Date Amount Purse Status Action
11.05.2009 €61 NETELLER: 4###### success
And this is from my Neteller site.
May 11 14:52 Betcruise.com - $81.05 USD Accepted
That leaves $400
Divided by 2 is 200 in each.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg54568/#msg54568 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg54568/#msg54568)
Now anyone could follow that.
My bad, I didn't read the the post about the withdrawal. :girl_wacko:
Quote from: thomasgrant on May 12, 2009, 11:39:10 AM
And I made 70 euro so far.
I made money, while I wasn't even here.
Great session there Tom!
Matt
Quote from: wlwhwt on May 12, 2009, 11:51:43 AM
this is from super roulette website:" Q. If the casino detects I am using the BOT won't they suspend my account?
They will not be able to detect you are using Super Roulette. Super Roulette does not interfere or modify the casino software or security systems in any way. Super Roulette uses custom image based recognition to identify numbers spun, track spins and place bets. it sits 'on top' of the casino software so can not be detected. "
Why is this question answered if it is allowed to use bot?
Hi wlwhwt
The reason it is mentioned on the site is not because BV bans the use of a BOT but simply because many people are curious about this issue and it is a question that is often raised.
If they were to change there Terms of Service and it became an issue, users could be confident the BOT is very hard to detect.
Matt
I think some people may be missing the point slightly. The use of an automated BOT does not guarantee success, the BOT is only as good as the strategies that are under the hood. For instance Bet Voyager have an automated spin feature that you can set for 10,000 spins and just let run, however all you can do is simply repeat the same bet and on a no-zero table that is meaningless - overall you will have no advantage.
The reason I initially set out to create a BOT for this particular online casino is because I found I could win consistently employing my methods but I did not like to be at the PC for extended lengths of time - which is what is required sometimes to ensure EACH session is successful. You may need to play for periods of 8 - 10 hours and automation allows this.
Matt
Quote from: Number Six on May 12, 2009, 03:10:17 PM
My bad, I didn't read the the post about the withdrawal. :girl_wacko:
Wow, that's almost an apology.
Maybe I can start to relax a little.
And not get so much heat.
Ok, in my last picture.
I was 70 up.
When I came home from the opera.
I put in a trailing stop loss of $10 as soon as I got back.
So If it decided to fall. I would still be in front.
Got to 290 and fell to 280 while I was asleep.
Was going for my first 100 day.
Very close.
Took out the 200 that was sitting in the kitty.
And it is already in my bank.
So, as it stands.
I have taken out 261 euro.
Now I am using the casinos money.
Paid for the bot.
Reimbursed the 30 that I started with.
And getting close to 300 again.
My experiences are not typical.
I have done well.
I nearly lost it all. Twice.
The massive draw downs is the big thing that can kill a bankroll.
And the time it takes to get back up again.
However, despite these draw downs.
And the time it takes to get in the green again.
It has not failed me.
I have failed it. On a few occasions.
By doing stupid things.
I have made more money with this one bot.
Than I have with anything else that I have tried on the internet.
Thank you all for following this link and the adventures of my posts.
Will keep posting updates as I reach each goal I go for.
Quotehi, have you seen that thomasgrant uses this awesome robot that makes money automaticly at your casino? And same time he's outside doing gardening. "
What an awesome message.
Can I use this.?
Can I quote this?
I may even add it into a youtube video.
With Matt's permission of course.
Then again.
Perhaps not.
May get accused of trying to sell it again.
hey thomas you never answered my questions i posted a on the last page :(
Quote from: thomasgrant link=topic=7729. msg54827#msg54827 date=1242180988
What an awesome message.
Can I use this. ?
Can I quote this?
I may even add it into a youtube video.
With Matt's permission of course.
Then again.
Perhaps not.
May get accused of trying to sell it again.
Of course you can! Thanks for clearing things to me. I was so sure it was illegal to use these kind of bots but if not that's a very good thing!!
Quote from: Moreof on May 13, 2009, 04:38:14 AM
hey thomas you never answered my questions I posted a on the last page :(
You mean this one.?
QuoteCan I ask Thomas, or someone that has used it how long it took to setup to be successful and if you are continously tweaking it each time you play or whether its the same now as it was? Have you tried the different configurations? from what I understand there is progression, even chance and inside numbers.
Thanks :D
Ok, must of missed that one.
Umm, I stay with what works for me.
I have tried all the configs.
And stick to ecs, progressions with forgo, and inside numbers.
Did not take long to be successful.
Just kept on going.
deja vu
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I have been here before.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg52189/#msg52189
so your using all of them? I guess that is the highest risk but also gives the highest reward? You previously mentioned you had some bad sessisons, did you ever have any that you game out negative off? ie you stopped at the bottom of the drop or at least before it started rising? Also what was the largest drawdown youve had and are you still betting 0. 01?
Quote from: Moreof on May 13, 2009, 06:39:20 AM
so your using all of them? I guess that is the highest risk but also gives the highest reward? You previously mentioned you had some bad sessisons, did you ever have any that you game out negative off? ie you stopped at the bottom of the drop or at least before it started rising? Also what was the largest drawdown youve had and are you still betting 0. 01?
Have a good read through this post.
And read Sams post as well.
View the pictures.
There is a link to a zip file in one of my posts.
That has all the pictures.
They clearly show what settings and what chip unit I am using.
As for highest risk. No, not at all. Not with the settings I am using.
Very safe. Even with progressions. I am using only a 3 to 4 step progression.
With Tiagos "Forgo", brilliant idea of Tiagos.
And don't ask me how Forgo works. Or what it does.
Because I don't know how to explain it.
Ask Tiago...
Have a look at the settings I am using with progressions.
You can see that there are only a few step or progressions.
So if I lose. I lose small.
The only big one is singles.
And sometimes that losses.
But it wins as well.
The settings balance themselves out.
And you would be amazed at how well forgo performs.
I am still tinkering with the settings.
Learning as I go.
But these have served me well.
Good news all round Thomas. Can't wait to get my hands on this bot also.
Quote from: roules on May 13, 2009, 07:03:44 PM
Good news all round Thomas. Can't wait to get my hands on this bot also.
Make sure you read the post in the Naysayers lounge before making any decision.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/naysayers%27-lounge/re-super-roulette-software-real-money-play/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/naysayers%27-lounge/re-super-roulette-software-real-money-play/)
Hi Thomas
this is my first post, i have been looking at your success. I am so happy for you!!!GREAT JOB!!! or should i say great job bot!! lol or Matt the creater good job! I was wondering is there a casino that i can use your software at? since i reside in the US, or some how get around that problem? and Matt if you are reading this post, i have a system that will work so well if i can put it in software form! i dont want to reveal the system here on this forum, i believe there is casino agents that rome this forum!!! i have tested for over 2000 spins and the results are, well lets just say very good. to say the least. there is no progression all flat betting!
One more thing, didnt know if you have something cooking for the live wheel, i know you were working on something didnt know if you had come up with something? let me know, thanks again. . . . . . . . i guess that was for Matt, sorry thomas. Have a great day.
€200 in 3 days?
No, no... I didn't believe it.
No way...
Come on, your kidding me.
Had to make sure I had the dates correct again...
Yep, the first picture has Tuesday the 12 on it.
Looked again, just to make sure.
The second one is today Friday the 15
Got to €400
Yep, made sure of the dates again.
Triple checked em.
Ahh frak.
Forgot to take the picture of the graph.
Ok, I have added in one with the date on it.
Now before I get accused of just moving the money from one account to another.
Make sure you read some of the previous posts.
And view the pictures.
Like, have a read of these posts.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg54821/#msg54821 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg54821/#msg54821)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg54872/#msg54872 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/msg54872/#msg54872)
And see the pictures there.
Got to say thats pretty impressive Thomas
TSK
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on May 15, 2009, 03:04:12 AM
Got to say thats pretty impressive Thomas
The Spiders Kiss
Well, according to some.
It is all just a giant scam.
And I am selling this system as an affiliate.
And Sam and I are liars.
My bank account don't lie.
My Neteller account don't lie.
So make your own mind up.
The proof they say is in the pudding.
Make of this entire series of posts.
What you will.
Like I said...thats pretty impressive Thomas
TSK
Quote from: thomasgrant on May 15, 2009, 03:01:18 AM
€200 in 3 days?
No, no... I didn't believe it.
No way...
Come on, your kidding me.
Had to make sure I had the dates correct again...
Yep, the first picture has Tuesday the 12 on it.
Looked again, just to make sure.
The second one is today Friday the 15
Got to €400
Yep, made sure of the dates again.
Triple checked em.
Fantastic stuff Tom, way to go mate! :)
Matt
Smells like a marketing campaing to me here, but maybe I'm wrong :).
Just watch your steps people a few hundred bucks is a lot of money.
Quote from: JHM on May 15, 2009, 11:53:52 AM
Smells like a marketing campaing to me here, but maybe I'm wrong :).
Just watch your steps people a few hundred bucks is a lot of money.
Well if you want to smell something.
Go here and see what these people have to say.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/naysayers%27-lounge/re-super-roulette-software-real-money-play/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/naysayers%27-lounge/re-super-roulette-software-real-money-play/)
If I was marketing something.
There would be a website listed somewhere in this post.
Quote from: JHM on May 15, 2009, 11:53:52 AM
Smells like a marketing campaing to me here, but maybe I'm wrong :).
Just watch your steps people a few hundred bucks is a lot of money.
Tom paid full price for the software, has never received a cent from me and voluntarily offered to open a thread where fellow forum members could watch his progress in real money play :)
Matt
Bought this a few days ago and turned 30 euros into 50 in just 4 sessions betting on red/black with the minimum stakes.
Early days yet but i'm impressed.
Quote from: andrewpieeater on May 16, 2009, 11:22:00 AM
Bought this a few days ago and turned 30 euros into 50 in just 4 sessions betting on red/black with the minimum stakes.
Early days yet but I'm impressed.
Nice going there Andrew :)
Matt
now up to 60 euros !!! :biggrin:
Quote from: JHM on May 15, 2009, 11:53:52 AM
Smells like a marketing campaing to me here, but maybe I'm wrong :).
Just watch your steps people a few hundred bucks is a lot of money.
How else can people post their results and experiences without it sounding like that?
All in all, I'm thinking just for the fact that its a zero roulette wheel makes a huge difference.
Cause I know when I've played a regular European table, low and behold 3 or 4 spots in just when I think my column may come up a zero hits :) random eh ;)
I noticed Betfair has a zeroless table too. May check them out just to see.
So not sure if the Super software can be used there, but an idea for the developer.
(never mind, just remembered it's a no download site )
If you're into any sort of progression then the Betfair No Zero table is useless as the table limits are very narrow, they do this to stop people exploiting it. £1 minimum to £10 maximum I think.
ahhh good to know, and of course that makes sense in an odd way for them.
14.04.2009 €30 NETELLER: success (Original Deposit)
21.04.2009 €10 NETELLER: success (Deposit)
Total: €40 Deposited
11.05.2009 €61 NETELLER: success (First Withdraw)
12.05.2009 €200 NETELLER: success
21.05.2009 €64 NETELLER: success
26.05.2009 €60 NETELLER: success
31.05.2009 €20 NETELLER: success
Total: €405 taken out so far.
:yahoo: :pleasantry:
Nice one Thomas - all lovely euros too - nearly doubles again by the time it's in your pocket.
Quote from: thomasgrant on May 31, 2009, 01:18:27 PM
14.04.2009 €30 NETELLER: success (Original Deposit)
21.04.2009 €10 NETELLER: success (Deposit)
Total: €40 Deposited
11.05.2009 €61 NETELLER: success (First Withdraw)
12.05.2009 €200 NETELLER: success
21.05.2009 €64 NETELLER: success
26.05.2009 €60 NETELLER: success
31.05.2009 €20 NETELLER: success
Total: €405 taken out so far.
:yahoo: :pleasantry:
365.00 EUR
=
507.644 USD
The software cost $249 USD
So it has paid for itself.
And made me a nice profit.
Plus, I still have money in the casino to play with.
I am playing with the Casinos Money and not mine.
Well, it is mine. Just haven't taken it out yet.
You know what I mean...
Thomas
That's fantastic. I wish I could say I've done as well. Please keep posting results.
Sam
€501.05
Do I need to say any more on this topic?
T.G.
Go ahead; say more!
Sam
Sincere, and genuine congratulations. Excellent communication, fantastic record keeping, definitely inspiring, and wonderful to see such a sincere person make positive strides. Compliments also to the ones that supported you with their knowledge, encouragement, wisdom, and insights. Though I am fairly new here, it truly is a joy for me, to be a part of this group, that truly cares in their research and help to others. I am asking for nothing, I simply want to give credit, due respect, and honor to the hard work, long hours, testing, hoping, walking through fire and hell itself. Best quote in this......"Dory from Nemo" "Just keep swimming" I love it!!!!
Mr Grants results look GREAT & i would be minded to buy the software just 1 ? would 1 be better to play the even money shots or inside numbers . Perhaps some body would point me in the correct direction it would most appreciated Colin . yeoldcolin@aol.com
These entries come directly from the BV site.
I only removed my Neteller number and added in comments. ()
Date Amount Purse Status Action
23.06.2009 €110 NETELLER: pending Cancel
22.06.2009 €45 NETELLER: success (deposit)
22.06.2009 €50 NETELLER: error
20.06.2009 €100 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
31.05.2009 €20 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
26.05.2009 €60 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
21.05.2009 €64 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
18.05.2009 €10 NETELLER: error
12.05.2009 €200 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
11.05.2009 €61 NETELLER: success (First withdraw)
21.04.2009 €10 NETELLER: success (Added and extra €10)
14.04.2009 €30 NETELLER: success (Original Deposit)
Total Deposits.
22.06.2009 €45 NETELLER: success (deposit)
21.04.2009 €10 NETELLER: success (Added and extra €10)
14.04.2009 €30 NETELLER: success (Original Deposit)
€85
Total Withdraws.
23.06.2009 €110 NETELLER: pending Cancel
22.06.2009 €45 NETELLER: success (deposit)
20.06.2009 €100 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
31.05.2009 €20 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
26.05.2009 €60 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
21.05.2009 €64 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
12.05.2009 €200 NETELLER: success (withdraw)
11.05.2009 €61 NETELLER: success (First withdraw)
€660
€660 - €85 = €575
575.00 EUR
=
1,002.59 AUD
The bot cost.
249.00 USD
=
309.497 AUD
693 AUD in pure profit.
Current Balance.
609.00 EUR
=
1,061.79 AUD
Going for my first €1000 in my balance.
Mr.GRANT your play is great spot on can you give me a hint of where on the table you think i would best to play thanks .colin
QuoteMr.GRANT your play is great spot on can you give me a hint of where on the table you think I would best to play thanks .colin
Umm, not sure what you mean.
Where on the table?
Anywhere.
The bot can play on all the table.
Just depends on how you configure it.
Sorry Mr.Grant I mean as a new player and no exp. would i be best to play the even money shots or inside numbers hope this is a bit clear or simply where should a rooki start .Thanks Colin
QuoteSorry Mr.Grant I mean as a new player and no exp. would I be best to play the even money shots or inside numbers hope this is a bit clear or simply where should a rooki start .Thanks Colin
Ohh, Ok, I see.
Umm, well we have members that swear by inside numbers.
And we have members that like playing Random.
Me I like Random Dueling EC's.
One amazing system.
Here are some pics, with all systems on the go.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2Fpics%2Fall-go.jpg&hash=de4a17f5f68df29e1c60390eadccb055af5daf1d)
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2Fpics%2Fall-go2.jpg&hash=bd7d15d6698f7a2f3afa0e3ddfb045e0eff87632)
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fnolinks.thomasrgrant.com%2Fsuper%2Fpics%2Fasg.jpg&hash=94a5461014105eb277756eba8688ae14b3fe0f29)
Great job, Thomas!
Keep up the good work, fella! :good:
Regards,
Lupo
Did it. Finally broke through the barrier.
Finally got there.
I broke the 1 ton/ tonne barrier.
What a struggle.
But I got there.
June 11, 2009, 02:25:16 pm »
€501.05
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June 24, 2009, 04:31:15 am »
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€609.98
June 28, 2009, 04:47:21 am »
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€774.65
€780.31
June 29, 2009, 11:30:56 am »
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€1000.77
I wanted to point out that these results that I am having are not typical.
Some of the people that have purchased this awesome bot.
Are not having the same success.
Some have lost money using it.
Well it is roulette we are playing.
And it is a game.
Plus it is playing against RNG.
No system so far has come close to ever beating RNG.
Well its still early days for this bot.
Things are always improving.
Good news is.
That Tiago has started working on adding in Dublin Bet.
And Smart Live Casino.
Possibly one of only two bots that can play on a live casino table.
New systems being added.
They have to go through some hoops to get in.
And possibly the most powerful system in the world today.
Sector system.
Completely user definable.
Only system I have seen that can do what ever you want with.
Thomas, on your website you make a video for Roulette bot pro.
Here you tell us about Super roulette bot.
Wich one are you using?
QuoteThomas, on your website you make a video for Roulette bot pro.
Here you tell us about Super roulette bot.
Wich one are you using?
On my site yes.
I have a video promoting Roulette Bot Pro.
I am an affiliate of the program.
That is why I have the video on my site.
So if anyone wishes to purchase it from there.
I get to make little extra $$$.
As to what I use.
I use both bots.
Both bots work on BetVoyager Casino.
Roulette Bot Pro is the easiest one of the bots to use.
However Super Roulette has made me more money.
Note: I am NOT an affiliate of Super Roulette.
So that is why there are no links to it on my website.
Why promote something if your not going to make a bit of extra cash from it?
I do not promote the Software here in this forum.
There are no links to the website in any of my posts.
Well, not that I am aware of.
So many posts to go threw to check to see if there is.
Please also note the title of this post.
Super Roulette Software - Real Money Play.
I have other posts regarding the other software.
Hope that clears that up for you.
Hey, didn't you ask that question over at the MMM forum?
Not sure you noticed.
But I left that forum today.
I deleted my account.
Deleted the bookmark.
Deleted the RSS video I had on youtube.
So long.
Good ridden's.
Got better things to do.
Then to waste time and energy arguing over how or what I am doing.
What is the MMM forum?
QuoteWhat is the MMM forum?
Money Maker Machine forum.
One of the very firsts bots that I purchased for playing roulette.
Yes its me from MMM :P
Still curious, or stupid haha, I dont care, if I buy this program then its because I can afford to lose the money if it should turn out to be sh*t.
I see from june 24. to june 29. you made 500 euro, is that by playing with 1 euro chips or 10 cents or what?
QuoteYes its me from MMM :P
Still curious, or stupid haha, I dont care, if I buy this program then its because I can afford to lose the money if it should turn out to be sh*t.
I see from june 24. to june 29. you made 500 euro, is that by playing with 1 euro chips or 10 cents or what?
A bit of combination.
If you wana see $1 play take a look at todays play.
Was packing bullets when it went down.
Locked in my profits. I can breath again.
Very stressful.
I do not recommend any one playing like I do.
I am just crazy enough to play like this.
Withdrawal...
I remember reading about it somewhere.
Matt posted in the forum.
They have started to charge me for Withdrawal.
Bastards...
Ohh well.
At least they will be here for some time to come.
10% ouch...
Hi Mr Thomasgrant,
I'm wondering why is the withdrawal screenshot showing € (euro), when u are from Australia. The currency in Australia is the Australian Dollar (AUD) if i'm not mistaken (Fact!). Now isn't it a bit stupid to withdraw money in another currency, this means u will have to pay an exchange rate when u do want AUD's. Why is it that everytime i visit this thread i smell lies lies lies...
I hope u can elaborate this.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
QuoteHi Mr Thomasgrant,
I'm wondering why is the withdrawal screenshot showing € (euro), when u are from Australia. The currency in Australia is the Australian Dollar (AUD) if I'm not mistaken (Fact!). Now isn't it a bit stupid to withdraw money in another currency, this means u will have to pay an exchange rate when u do want AUD's. Why is it that everytime I visit this thread I smell lies lies lies...
I hope u can elaborate this.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Ahh do you smell lies?
Ok, fine by me.
Yes I am Australian.
And yes my currency is in AUD.
The Casino however pays out in € (euro).
The Casino only uses € (euro).
Quotethis means u will have to pay an exchange rate when u do want AUD's
Since it's all electronic, All funds a transfered without having to deal with exchange rates.
Well as far as I know any way.
And another point. It is exchanged into USD into my Neteller account.
Since I chose to have a USD dollar based account with them.
Plus the bonus being that when I finally get the money.
It is in AUD and that means I get more.
QuoteNow isn't it a bit stupid to withdraw money in another currency,
No, not at all. People do it all the time.
Especially when they want to travel.
Now, some may say.
Well why aren't you playing with real money?
Why not use real money when playing?
Well for one.
I have not deposited any money into Dublin Bet before.
2. Still testing out the software on a LIVE Wheel.
Once I get the hang of it.
I will start playing with real money.
Got to find out what sort of Balance I will need in order to play effectively.
I reckon I could spare €100
Dublin Bet Casino only uses € (euro).
Is that going to be a problem?
Nope... Don't care what currency any casino is in.
As long as it's not in Zimbabwe currency. :lol:
Most of the Casinos that I have used.
I have used them with USD currency.
The more recent ones.
I chose to play in € (euro).
Since they are only using € (euro).
BetVoyager for example.
And now Dublin Bet.
I only have Bet365 in AUD.
Here it is people.
A video of me playing LIVE on Dublin Bet with Super Roulette. :clapping:
Not with real money.
But with Tokens.
nolinks://super-roulette.com/tom/Dublin-Live-Play.html (nolinks://super-roulette.com/tom/Dublin-Live-Play.html)
Double click on the video for full screen.
@skrizy
QuoteNow isn't it a bit stupid to withdraw money in another currency
Not when you get a lot more back. Do the calculations yourself, getting EUR (or even USD or GBP) converted back to AUD is a pretty good deal. Plus as Thom said, BV operates with euros only, so it's not like he had a choice.
QuoteWhy is it that everytime I visit this thread I smell lies lies lies...
Something always smells fishy when you've got your head stuck up your a......
If it stinks to you then don't come back.
Are you kidding with the 'real' test on Dublin? Because you block the board, and blur everything else about the bet, what you can do to make it look like you win when you want is just bet a dollar on red, black and zero. You will win on every spin or just on the spins you want. Do you think we're stupid? Its a childs trick, get real.
Quote from: Spike on July 03, 2009, 02:09:13 AM
Are you kidding with the 'real' test on Dublin? Because you block the board, and blur everything else about the bet, what you can do to make it look like you win when you want is just bet a dollar on red, black and zero. You will win on every spin or just on the spins you want. Do you think we're stupid? Its a childs trick, get real.
Ohh dear...
I will have to ask Matt if I can do a video of it playing simple progressions.
Perhaps that may satisfy you.
The video took me 4 to 5 attempts to do.
Just to pass Matt's rigorous tests.
The bot is his idea after all.
He didn't want any videos of it at all.
Not out in the open at any rate.
I have done many for the members.
Of course I could of placed a bet on Red, Black and the zero.
But I would not be in profit now would I?
Why waste my spins on doing that?
Or video time, or my time?
I'd rather find out if the system I am using will make a profit.
And use it to do so when I commit to playing with real money.
QuoteDo you think we're stupid? Its a childs trick, get real.
Hmmm, good question.
Are you stupid?
I don't think so.
Is is a child trick?
Not that I know of.
Get real...
Well we are real. On a real table.
With real people.
With a real dealer.
The only other real way to play.
Is to go to a casino and sit down and play.
Quote from: Spike on July 03, 2009, 02:09:13 AMbet a dollar on red, black and zero
Ladies and gentlemen the winning system! :yahoo:
just check the start and end BR
Just to back Tom up, I have seen the video and it works properly on all the systems and its working well!!!!
But I would not be in profit now would I?>>
Getting in profit on Dublin is again, childs play. Simply cover the board with $5 bets and you will eventually be over $1000 if you do it long enough. If you go below $500, just start over. It really is a no brainer and an old scammer trick.
What you show in your demo proves nothing, it just shows you know how to manipulate Dublin. Big deal.
A real test would leave the 'credits' box unblurred so we could see it go up on the win. You even leave it blurred at the end of the test so we have no idea if its gone up or remained the same, as it would if you bet red and black at once. Pretty amateur.. Nobody cares how much the bet was, it could be a dollar. The point is to SEE the credits box go up on the win.
Hi Thomas,
Why do you go through all this trouble making
these videos of showing the bot in action,
posting screenshots of you winnings in real play
on betvoyager, only to get berrated and talked
trash upon ? For the most part anyway.
If i would stumble upon a bot that seems
to be making me money on something that seems
kinda impossible to beat (roullete). I would try to keep
a low profile before the casino's found out
about it and change the rng or try to detect
the bot.
What do you think ?
QuoteBut I would not be in profit now would I?>>
Getting in profit on Dublin is again, childs play. Simply cover the board with $5 bets and you will eventually be over $1000 if you do it long enough. If you go below $500, just start over. It really is a no brainer and an old scammer trick.
What you show in your demo proves nothing, it just shows you know how to manipulate Dublin. Big deal.
A real test would leave the 'credits' box unblurred so we could see it go up on the win. You even leave it blurred at the end of the test so we have no idea if its gone up or remained the same, as it would if you bet red and black at once. Pretty amateur.. Nobody cares how much the bet was, it could be a dollar. The point is to SEE the credits box go up on the win.
Childs play you say.
Wow.. $5 bets that cover the board.
Not sure how that works?
Perhaps you could explain it to me.
As far as I understand it.
If I cover every number on the table.
I will loose.
Then again...
Why bother arguing with you.
QuoteHi Thomas,
Why do you go through all this trouble making
these videos of showing the bot in action,
posting screenshots of you winnings in real play
on betvoyager, only to get berrated and talked
trash upon ? For the most part anyway.
If I would stumble upon a bot that seems
to be making me money on something that seems
kinda impossible to beat (roulette). I would try to keep
a low profile before the casino's found out
about it and change the rng or try to detect
the bot.
What do you think ?
I put myself out there.
For criticism and rebuke.
For accusations and insults.
Because I never care what others think of me.
I care for results. And if some of these post help others
in there quest to make some dosh with Roulette.
Then good on them. At least I keep people entertained.
I get some verbal diarrhea thrown at me.
And answer it as politely as possible.
From it all...
I still like the game.
It's fascinating.
And at last I found a program that has made me some money.
So I share my experience.
What people chose to do with the information.
Is totally up to them.
They can try all they like to berate me.
Insult me. Or try and discredit me.
They have no power over me.
And perhaps that is what pisses em of most of all.
Quote from: Moreof on July 03, 2009, 04:32:44 AM
Just to back Tom up, I have seen the video and it works properly on all the systems and its working well!!!!
Thankyou...
Well at least someone has seen the video.
Not sure who else has.
Ohh yeah... forgot about the few members that seem to think its a fake.
Or that what I am doing is pulling the wool over peoples eyes.
Pffft... Whatever....
Just try and disprove it.
Myggen
QuoteYes its me from MMM
How goes it over there since I left?
Just curious.
Then again...
Why bother arguing with you.>>
LOL! I notice you don't bother denying what I said is true, because you know it is. And the positive comments from members who just joined is the oldest trick in the scammer book. Its just you talking to yourself, how original.
I was bored enough to look at this thread. Thought you were testing some bot you shared or something, but it looks like it's for sale, which makes this thread pure advertising.
I have taken a look at the website where you're selling the bot and I have to say it looks like nothing but a typical scam website.
If you have a software that makes you money consistently, why are you selling it for $97 along with all these efforts, posts, screenshots, etc. to advertise it?
You say things like:
Quote from: thomasgrant on July 03, 2009, 01:54:11 PM
I care for results. And if some of these post help others
in there quest to make some dosh with Roulette.
Then good on them. At least I keep people entertained.
Quote from: thomasgrant on July 03, 2009, 01:54:11 PM
From it all...
I still like the game.
It's fascinating.
And at last I found a program that has made me some money.
So I share my experience.
Quote from: thomasgrant on July 03, 2009, 01:54:11 PM
What people chose to do with the information.
Is totally up to them.
Well no, those excuses are silly at best.
You're not helping people with their roulette quest.
You're not writing a 16 page thread full of posts looking like poems, with screenshots and advertisement (and nothing actually shared) because it's fun and because you're fascinated by the game, etc.
You're not sharing your experience, providing people with information on the game, keeping them entertained, or whatever.
You're advertising an automated roulette bot which you are selling for $97.Sorry for being straightforward. There are newbies here.
Good luck,
Marven
I've been saying this for months and I'm glad there are finally more respected members harassing these bot-selling scammers and their scamming affiliates. You should check out the obtuse, ignorant bot propaganda in the other threads. It's almost comical. Unfortunately there are people stupid enough to buy into it. Why would anyone think a progression system works just because it is automated? Time to lift that wool off your eyes. No bot user is winning consistently.
This Thomas Grant is funny. He claims to have studied roulette for years, yet he has never posted anywhere but in the software threads. So here is a challenge: tell the forum about one of your casino experiences and feel free to even vaguely describe how you played the game and for how long. (By the way, you might want to check out this link hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino, just so you are clear on what a casino actually is).
Go for it :thumbsup:
Quote from: Marven on July 03, 2009, 06:04:49 PM
If you have a software that makes you money consistently, why are you selling it for $97 along with all these efforts, posts, screenshots, etc. to advertise it?
You say things like:
Well no, those excuses are silly at best.
You're not helping people with their roulette quest.
You're not writing a 16 page thread full of posts looking like poems, with screenshots and advertisement (and nothing actually shared) because it's fun and because you're fascinated by the game, etc.
You're not sharing your experience, providing people with information on the game, keeping them entertained, or whatever.
You're advertising an automated roulette bot which you are selling for $97.
Sorry for being straightforward. There are newbies here.
Good luck,
Marven
Wrong website Marven, try
Super Roulette if you want the correct website.
Matt
Spike I have been a member for a few months now....
I encourage everybody to look at the screenshot video of the Dublin page. Its a joke. He covers up all the boxes that show you whats happening and instead tells you his version of whats going on. He's obviously betting to break even and showing the betting boxes would be a dead givaway. Its an old scammer trick.
Quote from: Spike on July 03, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
I encourage everybody to look at the screenshot video of the Dublin page. Its a joke. He covers up all the boxes that show you whats happening and instead tells you his version of whats going on. He's obviously betting to break even and showing the betting boxes would be a dead givaway. Its an old scammer trick.
Another person crying foul because they can't suspend belief for a moment and accept that maybe there is a better way than their own.
Spike you could not be further from the truth. Tom's video is the real thing.
Matt
Perhaps we should get super-roulette a comedy award?
It's an interesting video, but only shows that the bot interfaces well with the casino. The table is blocked out because someone will clock the system, code it and reveal it to be a consistent loser. The BR is obscured because it was likely in the red from the opening few bets. There would be no other reason to keep the BR hidden, other than to stop people seeing how many numbers are being bet on each time. Who cares about details like that? We all know the system doesn't work. There was a trend to the BR, and it was a down trend. We want to see a video of this bot winning consistently over a period of hours using real money.
Quote from: Number Six on July 03, 2009, 08:43:17 PM
There would be no other reason to keep the BR hidden, other than to stop people seeing how many numbers are being bet on each time. Who cares about details like that? We all know the system doesn't work. There was a trend to the BR, and it was a down trend. We want to see a video of this bot winning consistently over a period of hours using real money.
N6, you say "we all know the system doesn't work" but then you say "we want to see a video of this bot winning consistently over a period of hours using real money". If you are so adamant it doesn't work why the continued interest?
I agree about the balance, will ask Tom to do a video with the balance showing. Real money or play mode at a live dealer site is irrelevant, it is the same wheel regardless.
Matt
Tom's video is the real thing.>>
Then why block everything? The way its set up proves nothing except you know how to bet to make it appear you're winning, which any scammer can do.
Quote from: Number Six
It's an interesting video, but only shows that the bot interfaces well with the casino.
I take this back. It doesn't even show that. It shows, actually, nothing. :thumbsup:
If you are so adamant it doesn't work why the continued interest? I would like to continue offering my opinion (supported by facts, of course) that bots are a waste of money and are just useless systems. I will repeat myself ad nauseum until you disappear in a puff of smoke.
Quote from: Spike on July 03, 2009, 09:01:55 PM
The way its set up proves nothing except you know how to bet to make it appear you're winning, which any scammer can do.
Point taken, in Tom's defence, I asked him to make it like this, so as to protect the integrity of the strategy. But I will ask him to take exactly same video and show the balance as it increases.
Matt
Quote from: Number Six on July 03, 2009, 09:08:30 PM
I would like to continue offering my opinion (supported by facts, of course) that bots are a waste of money and are just useless systems. I will repeat myself ad nauseum until you disappear in a puff of smoke.
N6, you would have facts if you had of taken me up on the offer to unconditonally trial the software, but you didn't even respond? What you have are not facts but mere opinion and supposition based on your own experiences.
I am not sure what your motives on this forum are N6, but to go to such length to berate and vilify something you have no knowledge of smacks of resentment, jealousy or both.
Yes you know the game of roulette, I am not disputing that, but you need to put your ingrained thoughts and beliefs to one side and be open to the fact that your way is not the only way.
Matt
Twocat lost hundreds of euros with this thing, I would rather give money away to someone myself then let a bot do it for me.
QuoteThen again...
Why bother arguing with you.>>
LOL! I notice you don't bother denying what I said is true, because you know it is. And the positive comments from members who just joined is the oldest trick in the scammer book. Its just you talking to yourself, how original.
I could deny it till the cows come home.
And you still wont believe me.
So again... Why bother arguing with you.
Well here goes nothing.
Yes. I deny it. I deny everything you say.
It is not a trick, or slight of hand.
I did what was asked of me.
I did it so that people could see something.
Matt simply did not want the bets that were placed on the table to be shown.
Or the balance, or anything else that would give away what the system was.
Or how it worked. That is why I covered it up.
I still have the original video.
And I may be able to release it.
This time with out any advertising.
Or any blurs on any of the balance.
Plus I may be able to release another one with inside numbers.
But I am not sure. Only reason I mention inside bets.
Is there are a few posts in VLS about them.
With any luck.
If I do release a video with all of what is going on.
With no advertising. With real people at the table.
With real money on play.
With real balance on show.
With it making some money perhaps.
And with it loosing money until it wins.
With a system that can pass Matts approval for release.
Then I may get some peace and quiet in hear.
But I doubt that very much.
QuoteThis Thomas Grant is funny. He claims to have studied roulette for years, yet he has never posted anywhere but in the software threads. So here is a challenge: tell the forum about one of your casino experiences and feel free to even vaguely describe how you played the game and for how long. (By the way, you might want to check out this link hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino, just so you are clear on what a casino actually is).
Go for it
Studies, hmm, no not really studied.
More like played with roulette for some time.
It's more of a pass time for me.
Quoteyet he has never posted anywhere but in the software threads.
This is incorrect.
I have posted elsewhere.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/twocat-tests-the-bot-on-casino-account-1/msg68707/#msg68707 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/twocat-tests-the-bot-on-casino-account-1/msg68707/#msg68707)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/pop-ups/msg67217/#msg67217 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/pop-ups/msg67217/#msg67217)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/mapau-casino/msg54840/#msg54840 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/gambling-and-roulette-related/mapau-casino/msg54840/#msg54840)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/live-roulette-casinos-ranking/joyland-casino-t8156/msg54837/#msg54837 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/live-roulette-casinos-ranking/joyland-casino-t8156/msg54837/#msg54837)
Well N6 your the expert in hear.
You seem to have played for eons.
I have visited the link in wik.
So I am not sure exactly what it is you wish me to explain.
My experience going into a casino perhaps?
Or how I did playing on a live casino back in the old days?
Please elaborate.
QuoteWell no, those excuses are silly at best.
You're not helping people with their roulette quest.
You're not writing a 16 page thread full of posts looking like poems, with screenshots and advertisement (and nothing actually shared) because it's fun and because you're fascinated by the game, etc.
You're not sharing your experience, providing people with information on the game, keeping them entertained, or whatever.
You're advertising an automated roulette bot which you are selling for $97.
Sorry for being straightforward. There are newbies here.
You know, I make no claims that I am not selling Roulette Bot Pro.
It is after all on my website. I did a testimonial for it.
Note: there has not ever been a link to Roulette Bot Pro listed in this post.
Please point out what screen shot has advertising on it.
I have gone over all of them.
And see no advertising at all.
Well if I'm no helping people.
Then why are you bothering to read this post at all?
Over 4000 views.
Why not start from the begging of the post.
It may make a interesting read.
But then again.
Each person has there own point of view.
QuoteI encourage everybody to look at the screenshot video of the Dublin page. Its a joke. He covers up all the boxes that show you whats happening and instead tells you his version of whats going on. He's obviously betting to break even and showing the betting boxes would be a dead givaway. Its an old scammer trick.
If you wish to see the complete video.
Unedited.
Then I can send you the link to it.
With Matts permission of course.
With no advertising.
No blurs.
Just the video I did.
Again. With Matt's permission.
QuoteTwocat lost hundreds of euros with this thing, I would rather give money away to someone myself then let a bot do it for me.
Well why not ask TwoCat.
He has great respect in hear.
TwoCat was the first one to test this bot.
His losses are due to Internet connection.
Well that is what he told me.
People lose money on Roulette all the time.
That is why the House always wins.
Even with bots. Its a game of chance after all.
Some do better than others.
Some swear by there tried and true methods.
But even they have bad days.
Matt simply did not want the bets that were placed on the table to be shown.
Or the balance, or anything else that would give away what the system was.>>>
How does showing the balance go up give anything away?
With it making some money perhaps.>>
'Perhaps'? According to you all it does is make money. Perhaps? What does that mean?
As for advertising.
I notice that no one complains that there is the occasional advertising on this site.
But that is VLS after all.
Another point I would like to make.
Matt pointed out.
That I get nothing for Advertising or promoting the website.
There are no links to Super Roulette on my website.
There are no links to Super Roulette in this post.
The only link is in the video I did.
There ya go.
Caught in my own trap.
Frak.... forgot about that one...
Pffttt. get real.
I can remove the so called Blatant advertising.
And post the video again.
I just wanted to show that the bot can now work on Dublin Bet.
But apparently the damage is done.
You have all been exposed to advertising.
Ohh my god...
Look out. The sky is about to fall.
Take a walk down a street some time.
See how much advertising there is around you.
Yes,,, this is a giant hoax.
You have been caught out by a Bernie...
You will receive your Bernie award in the mail.
Thank you for taking part.
Ohh dear...
Show them that it can be done.
And some will say.
No, I don't believe you.
Some will say.
What was done?
Some will say.
Show me the way.
Only you get to chose what path you take.
If you build it. They will come.
(Field of Dreams)
I just wanted to show that the bot can now work on Dublin Bet.>>
All you showed.
Was you know how to.
Manipulate Dublin to show.
The results you want.
Big deal.
QuoteMatt simply did not want the bets that were placed on the table to be shown.
Or the balance, or anything else that would give away what the system was.>>>
How does showing the balance go up give anything away?
With it making some money perhaps.>>
'Perhaps'? According to you all it does is make money. Perhaps? What does that mean?
Look it up in a dictionary.
What I mean by "Perhaps"
Is that I have not played on Dublin Bet before with real money.
So far all my tests with Dublin Bet have been with Tokens.
So I just don't know how it will go with real money.
I have started a new thread to see how I will go playing with real money.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/real-money-play-on-a-real-casino-dublin-bet-and-super-roulette/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/real-money-play-on-a-real-casino-dublin-bet-and-super-roulette/)
This is why I say perhaps.
Perhaps I will lose.
Perhaps I will win.
Only time will tell.
I may not have enough BR to play.
So this is all new to me.
QuoteI just wanted to show that the bot can now work on Dublin Bet.>>
All you showed.
Was you know how to.
Manipulate Dublin to show.
The results you want.
Big deal.
The results I want?
Manipulate Dublin Bet?
Not sure how.
But if you say so.
And yes. Now that we have a bot that can play on a live wheel.
I guess yes. It is a BIG DEAL.
Not seen any other bot that can play on live wheel.
Have you?
If you have.
How about advertising it hear?
The results I want?
Manipulate Dublin Bet?
Not sure how.
But if you say so.>>>
By blocking the playing.
Area, and blurring the.
Bets and anything else.
That would tell us whats.
Happening.
I've seen it before. Many.
System selling scammers.
Do that.
QuoteThe results I want?
Manipulate Dublin Bet?
Not sure how.
But if you say so.>>>
By blocking the playing.
Area, and blurring the.
Bets and anything else.
That would tell us whats.
Happening.
I've seen it before. Many.
System selling scammers.
Do that.
Ok, so, I just spoke to Matt.
He says that I can post the original video again.
This time it has no I repeat no advertising on it.
You still cant see the bets being placed.
But you can see the balance going up and down.
Will send it of to Matt for approval.
This is the EXACT same video I posted.
Only the blur has been removed.
Will post the link when approved.
Quote from: Shorty on July 03, 2009, 11:26:22 PM
Twocat lost hundreds of euros with this thing, I would rather give money away to someone myself then let a bot do it for me.
Once again, a perversion of facts to try and disprove something. He also took his balance from 100E to over 400E twice, so you could argue he won hundreds as well.
Is the fault the software or how it is used?
Matt
This is the EXACT same video I posted.
Only the blur has been removed.>>
The only thing that proves.
If a system works.
Or not, is actual tests.
Done by an impartial 3rd
Party.
Anything else can be phonied
Up.
Buyer beware. Scammer Alert.
Quote from: Spike on July 04, 2009, 02:10:57 AM
The only thing that proves.
If a system works.
Or not, is actual tests.
Done by an impartial 3rd
Party.
Anything else can be phonied
Up.
Buyer beware. Scammer Alert.
I offered this exact recommendation to N6, Spike and he didn't even reply.
I am not running away from a third party, impartial test - quite the contrary, I welcome it.
Matt
QuoteThis is the EXACT same video I posted.
Only the blur has been removed.>>
The only thing that proves.
If a system works.
Or not, is actual tests.
Done by an impartial 3rd
Party.
Anything else can be phonied
Up.
Buyer beware. Scammer Alert.
So I guess TwoCat does not count as a third party then.
Or being someone that is impartial.
Who then? Mother Teresa? no she's dead..
How about the Dali Lama?
Here are the videos.
This is the original one that was posted.
Be warned. It has advertising on it.
And only for those that wish to be scammed should view this video.
nolinks://super-roulette.com/tom/Dublin-Live-Play.html (nolinks://super-roulette.com/tom/Dublin-Live-Play.html)
Double click on the video for full screen.
Here is the same video without any advertising.
Without any blur of balances.
nolinks://super-roulette.com/tom/dublin.html (nolinks://super-roulette.com/tom/dublin.html)
Still cover the bets that are being made.
As the systems that is uses are copyrighted to Matt.
And if you have read the TOS of youtube of recent times.
You cant put copyrighted info on youtube anymore.
Ohh my...
I just mentioned youtube.
Is that advertising?
I guess so.
Quote from: thomasgrant on July 04, 2009, 01:25:28 AM
As for advertising.
I notice that no one complains that there is the occasional advertising on this site.
But that is VLS after all.
Would you care to show me where the clickable links are for said advertising?
I'm assuming you meant it threads Yes?
Thanking you in advance for your help...... :good:
QuoteWould you care to show me where the clickable links are for said advertising?
I'm assuming you meant it threads Yes?
Thanking you in advance for your help......
Well, for a short time.
When I came in hear a few days ago.
I would click on a link.
And go to the thread.
But I would also get a pop up.
And if you look at the bottom of the page.
You see advertising for Automatedbots.com
And no. I am not an affiliate of Automatedbots.com
So your complaining at the Ads that go a small way to helping Victor to play for the Server Costs per month correct ?
for the forum that you post at right ?
Have you heard of the phrase "You cannot have your cake & eat it?"
I guess not....
Without any blur of balances.>>
Still proves nothing. You
Can record 4 sessions and.
Have 3 losing and 1 winning.
Session. And just post the.
Winning session. The only
way that can't.
Be fudged in your favor is.
A live test. With 2 witnesses.
In real time.
QuoteSo your complaining at the Ads that go a small way to helping Victor to play for the Server Costs per month correct ?
for the forum that you post at right ?
Have you heard of the phrase "You cannot have your cake & eat it?"
I guess not....
No, not at all.
I even was for a time a subscriber.
That means I paid money to be a sponsor of VLS.
I was just pointing out that there is some advertising on some of the pages.
Yet when I apparently Blatantly and openly do it myself.
It's a scam. It's advertising.
Blah, blah blah.
Get a life people.
You can read these entries as they are.
You can deny the screen shots.
You can deny the recent video.
You can do what ever you wish.
I press on regardless.
For those that wish to keep informed of my progress.
For those that do not want to read any more tripe.
Then don't bother posting in here.
Your free to do as you wish.
Post in here. Or not.
Up to you.
Continue to try your hardest to find flaws.
And rebuke my claims.
Or try and discredit me.
I press on regardless.
I press on regardless.>>
All scammers do. You think
it makes you.
Unique?
Hardly. Scammers have nothing
to lose. If they persist. There
is always a. Sucker.
Waiting to send money. You know
this. We all.
Know this. If you had a working
system for making. Money in a
casino. You'd be using it. Not.
Selling it.
QuoteI press on regardless.>>
All scammers do. You think
it makes you.
Unique?
Hardly. Scammers have nothing
to lose. If they persist. There
is always a. Sucker.
Waiting to send money. You know
this. We all.
Know this. If you had a working
system for making. Money in a
casino. You'd be using it. Not.
Selling it.
But I am not selling it.
Where have I said I am selling it?
I am using it.
The best way to increase ones wealth.
Is to share ones wealth with others. (Robert Kiyosaki)
The rich get richer.
The poorer get the picture. (Midnight Oil)
Many people say the same thing.
If it is so good why are you sharing it with others?
Why not keep it to your self?
Then there are those.
That say. Thank for sharing with us how you did it.
And that inspires them to give it a try.
They may do better. They may do worse.
But they had a go. To try and improve there lot in life.
Me, I like to share what little I have.
So I can receive more.
Not only in financial ways.
But in many other ways.
And no. When I say financial ways.
I do not get a cut from royalties.
Not yet at least. Lol.
Ohh well.
Been instructed not to go any further with this topic.
Do as you wish.
Well here is my biggest pay day so far.
It says €500 but it came to €450 after trans fees.
613.12 USD = 438.864 EUR
613.12 USD = 769.220 AUD
Thank you Matt for making this possible.
The picture of $2010 is the most recent one.
My account was down to $1500 after taking out $500
It is now $1600
As for the controversy over me being a scam artist.
Well make up your own mind.
Read through all of this post.
See what you think.
These may well be my last pictures in this forum.
I have made enough to go to Europe.
I was planing on going in 2012 to see the soccer.
But I may go this year.
My parents came from Poland.
So that is where I am of to.
Have to organize myself a passport.
Thanks again to all the readers of this post.
Even the ones that are the Naysayers.
Kept me motivate.
Ohh just in case your gonna question why my last name is Grant.
If my parents are Polish.
Well they changed it when they arrived here.
Many immigrants did. Just to fit in.
My Dad found that it took to long to spell Grygorcewicz.
So he changed it to Grant.
So glad he did.
Anyway.
Love to you all.
Wish you well.
I got this in my email box today.
-------------------------------------
TUT... A Note from the Universe
And they shall say, there once lived someone, who had little idea of how they changed everything.
They will, Thomas.
And, you have.
Tallyho,
The Universe
------------------------------
Sounded just about right.
Yours in respect.
Thomas.
Ok, Matt has instructed me to unlock the topic again.
So now you are free to post all the positive or negative comments that you wish.
Just fantastic work Tom! great going, could not have happened to a nicer guy :)
Matt
Quote from: thomasgrant on July 07, 2009, 02:05:03 AM
Ok, Matt has instructed me to unlock the topic again.
I wanted to be the first to congratulate you Tom, once again, well done!
Matt
Quote from: super-roulette on July 07, 2009, 02:26:07 AM
Just fantastic work Tom! great going, could not have happened to a nicer guy :)
Matt
Thank you Matt.
Could not have done it without your advise.
Your support.
And your bot.
How desperate you are for sales, how pathetic. Why not use your bot to make real money? Oh, thats right, it doesn't work! LOL!
Hi Tom,
6000 EUR? :D Nice work!! I want to go to Australia so I start to save the money for SR. :)
I had an idea and Matt did help with some info. I hope it will be works and I can win the money for SR.
I tell the following everybody who think Tom is a scammer:
I didn't meet Tom (he is in Australia and I'm in the East Europe) but I met with Tom an another forum. He was always helpful and he spent a lot of time to help other users. So I think (I know) he doesn't lie and he isn't a scammer!
I think Tom made this topic for that reason to show us there is a way where you can make money at roulette.
Yes, come to Australia, it's awesome here.
:) I belive you. ;)
to show us there is a way where you can make money at roulette.>>>
LOL! Suckers...
Hello Thomas,what you have made in a couple of weeks on super roulette,i have lost in less than a week using Roulettebot pro,i just cannot make it pay regardless what casino i use,i am glad for you all the same,be careful easy come easy go.
Quote from: brian51
Hello Thomas,what you have made in a couple of weeks on super roulette,I have lost in less than a week using Roulettebot pro,I just cannot make it pay regardless what casino I use,I am glad for you all the same,be careful easy come easy go.
Bots are trash, dude. None of them are the answer to your problems, especially not roulette bot pro - that one is the absolute worst of the lot (the seller is actually a casino affiliate, so it's a very real scam). Unfortunately the roulette question requires a lot of thought - and bots cannot think. If you think you can just install a bot and watch the cash pour in you are living in a dream world. Use a bot and watch the cash pour OUT.
Dont let the "big profits" of Grant & co fool u. Its unreal. they like to put in graphs, fact is its very easy to manipulate them.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy
Skrizzy
You are correct. The bot will produce a graph off a .txt file. I can create the text file to show it winning every spin. Any of the Botsters could.
But, I am down 178 Euro. Am I telling the truth?
"Well, sure, Sam. We all believe you when you are down. Hey, we'd believe anyone who's down. It's those guys that are up--those lyin' dogs. Let's string 'em up!"
Hey, I just went up another penny!
:yahoo:
Samster
@ twocat
What is the reason the results of both of u are so different? Why are there more people reporting losses. There is only ONE person winning, AND he has a website promoting that and other bots. Now does that seem fishy? It does to me and a handfull other members here on the forum.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Skrizy
I am new at this bot business; Thomas is not. I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not.
Thomas has had an incredible run of luck, in my opinion. He has placed bets I wouldn't place using play money. Big bets! And he won. I play with pennies.
More when there is more.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on July 08, 2009, 01:09:59 PM
Skrizy
I am new at this bot business; Thomas is not. I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not.
Thomas has had an incredible run of luck, in my opinion. He has placed bets I wouldn't place using play money. Big bets! And he won. I play with pennies.
More when there is more.
Sam
Thanks Sam.
Some may know that I started out with MMM ages ago.
I have used Roulette Snipper. And many others.
Some people bag Snipper.
Its not that the program didn't work.
It's just that people got greedy and lost a lot playing with it.
There have been many other systems and bots since then.
I met Tiago in here.
And ever since then. Have had the greatest respect for him.
One of the smartest people I know.
And so talented. His NWR and NWRS are just amazing.
And now he has produced two awesome bots.
Roulette Bot Pro and Super Roulette.
He is currently working on Roulette Bot Pro V2.
And gathering ideas for a new core.
So he can make even better bots.
Tiago listens to all the ideas that I throw at him.
And the joint effort has got the bots to where they work even better than they did before.
I mean, how many bots that are out there. Can play roulette on a LIVE wheel?
None that I know of. Amazing achievement.
Thanks to Tiago, I have been able to make some money playing one of my favorite games.
Don't care if you believe me or not.
Makes no difference to me at all.
If you think I am a scammer.
Then don't purchase the bot.
It's that simple.
Can it lose money.?
Sure it can.
No bot is perfect.
No human is either.
To err is human.
To forgive is divine.
Wish you all well.
Good luck.
And good hunting.
Can it lose money.?
Sure it can.>>>
LOL! Thats ALL it does is lose money. A robot is only as good as what crappy system you feed it, and there are NO winning systems. Why is this so hard to understand, people?
Quote from: Spike on July 08, 2009, 05:35:16 PM
Can it lose money.?
Sure it can.>>>
LOL! Thats ALL it does is lose money. A robot is only as good as what crappy system you feed it, and there are NO winning systems. Why is this so hard to understand, people?
It is difficult for people to understand because they consider that they may have a system
that will work. Super Roulette is not the only bot that Tiago has made.
I mentioned that he made Roulette Bot Pro. He also made a few more
for members of this forum. Private bots. That will never see the light of day.
There are many systems on this forum.
Take a look at them.
Some are better than others.
The rule of the 3rd.
Or inside numbers.
Or Super Singles.
Many players have there very own theory that they put into practice.
Some of the mathematical geniuses that are in here.
Have truly come up with some astounding concepts.
The G.U.T was one such concept.
Yet no one seems to complain about that.
Some of the mathematical geniuses that are in here.
Have truly come up with some astounding concepts.>>>
Astounding concepts don't beat random, no robot programmed with a system ever will. Its a mathematical impossiblity. I can try to teach my dog to read all day long with the newest techniques, and he will never catch on. Just like robots will never be programmed to beat roulette consistantly.
Oh, "Doubting Spike".......
Your thought process is as archaic as that avatar. Wipe that foam off your beard, Brother! Bots can't win; systems can't win; only "educated guessing" wins. You're a laugh a minute.
G'day!
Sam
You haven't got a mechanical system that wins, nobody does. And you know it.
Spike
You're right, Spike. You and Herb and Skrizy and Number Six are all right. I have played the thing for about three months; you guys have never played it but you all know a lot more about it than I do.
I'm through discussing this. I only ran a test on the bot. I said I would report truthfully and I did. How you people can find fault with that amazes me.
If I crash I will post it.
Sam
@Twocatsam
For so far i have no reason to believe you are a liar. U have posted bad and good things about this bot and other systems, winning or loosing (see gut). As far as u say that u are testing this indipendent from Thomas grant and co is something i might believe. I have no personal vendetta against u. I however feel uncomfortable about the fact that there are ppl posting about a winning automated system (even several systems with the same bot), when that is something i find hard to believe. NOBODY has posted results that came even close to those of thomas grant. In science u have to be able to produce the same results with the same tools over and over again. I don't see that happening.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Quote from: The Force on July 09, 2009, 02:09:40 PM
I think you all misunderstanding each other.
If a system lose (and that is all system I know of), it does not mean that someone can't win with it. Someone can still win with a losing system. I know a friend who is winning for over a year with martingale on even but we all know that it will lose eventually. Maybe with super roulette, 1 person is winning and 50 are losing. But that one person is not tell lie. He tell truth that it work for him, but the system is still losing one.
I think thomasgrant is winning, and he is not scammer. He really believe it working because it work for him. Although many other are losing with it.
So thomasgrant and twocatssam or not lying when they say that thomas win with super roulette. But also I think that many people will lose with it.
Heal the world, make it a better place. For you and me and the human race :dance1:
Thank you.
The Force.
From the start of this post.
From post number 1.
I have tried to keep an accurate account of what I was doing.
With pictures. With graphs.
With account details.
With money going in.
And money going out.
Just got a big fat payout.
And trying to decide if I should post all the details in here.
Since we all know that bots don't work. Apparently.
Not sure if I should even bother.
Will speak to Matt, see what he says.
Why doesn't super roulette set up his own forums on his own site? It isn't difficult. It takes literally 10 minutes. I don't understand why you have to advertise and aggressively market this bot here. You are like annoying little touts peddling crap out of a suitcase on a street corner. Bots are for losers. No serious player would ever consider using a bot system. VLS is on a downtrend, much like Twocat's bankroll, and it is mainly due to people like Grant and super roulette, and all those idiots that have attacked Hampshire in the past.
Thomasgrant, you are an affiliate to Super Roulette, yes? I don't blame most people for being sceptical of your winnings.
Quote from: Shorty on July 09, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
Thomasgrant, you are an affiliate to Super Roulette, yes? I don't blame most people for being sceptical of your winnings.
I have not one affiliate.
Matt
QuoteIn science u have to be able to produce the same results with the same tools over and over again. I don't see that happening.
And explain how that is possible with Roulette?
How can anyone produce the same results with a game of chance?
Each person has their own method of playing.
Each person has their own Balance.
The only way for anything close to producing similar results.
Is if some of the members got together.
Decided on a time and date to play.
Go to a live table.
Do a video call.
So we can synchronize our game.
Start at the same time.
Start with the same balance.
Start with the same system.
Exact same settings.
Exact same numbers coming in.
Since many live in different time zones.
It may be difficult to do.
Not impossible.
But difficult.
As for Rng.
Well we all get different results when playing that.
Has anyone else been asked to provide similar results with any other system, or non system?
Look at how many tried the complicated G.U.T idea.
Did anyone of those that tired it get similar results?
Or lets say Martingale.
Many that have tried playing a basic martingale system. Have failed.
Some do better than others.
Some are just lucky.
Again, no similar results.
The people playing it would all have to agree on using the same bet size.
Even then with RNG on different tables.
The results will vary.
Saying that it has to produce the same results is ridiculous.
It's roulette. Its a game. It's a game of chance.
It like saying that two scientist walk into a casino.
Both with the same theory.
Both with the same bank balance.
They sit at the same table.
In theory both should get the same results.
If they place the bets on the same part of the table.
But then you have to factor in human nature.
One may do something different.
Because he/she may have a better idea.
Again, down to human nature.
Especially when it comes to Casinos.
Go and rent out Oceans 11, 12, and 13.
Or get the tv series Las Vegas.
As for producing similar results.
Skrizy or the Spike method.
Has anyone tried their methods and got similar results?
Have they been scientifically tested so that they produce the same results?
Exact same results? No.
So again they are talking out of their ...
QuoteWhy doesn't super roulette set up his own forums on his own site?
It does. And a very lively one at that.
With some very good ideas in there.
Always improving on what we have.
And Tiago keeps on making the bot even better.
@ Mr Thomas Grant
I realy loved you're post, proofs to me what I've always thought, that u are ignorant about: roulette randomness, how u scientificly test something and how u think u know everything. What I said about producing the same results with the same tools IS A FACT. It's called reliability. And I will define it for u, because of you're lazyness and I realy want u to understand this. It means that on any given time, using the same settings one must be able to produce the same results. Scientists do it every day. Do u realy think u need the same numbers in order to get the same results ( if that is true than MR thomas grant u are the proud owner of a brain the size of a walnut)?? And I will give an example to make it realy easy. 2 different teams of scientists do a research, seperated in time, with the same questionary, the same software to analyze the results. and they target the same population (background and demographicly). They will if the questionery and software is genuine produce the same results. This means the research is a succes. Now here is the catch. Do u think that all those ppl from the 2 seperated groups all gave the same answers, NO, Yet the results are similar. This is because answers even eachother out and u get averages!! SAME thing happens on roulette!! SO in order for me to believe the system behind the bot is a consistent winner u must act like a scientist! Use 2 indipented parties, let the bot run on the same amount of numbers (NUMBERS CAN'T BE THE SAME!!! I hope u understood) using the same settings. Best would be that there are several witnesses, because we are dealing with fragile material here. Than after the amount of spins results must be similar. I don't mean they have to be exact the same, almost is enough (there is some variance). Pass this test and I will genuinly excuse myself to everyone who is related to this topic. Until that time comes I will be a critic and a pain in the ass.
As always,
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Well thank you Skrizy for that outstanding explanation.
Again full marks. Note: still no claims to prove what he is saying.
But it was fun reading it.
Keep up the above excellent posts.
I find them so full of swiss cheese.
That you could almost call them holy.
Hahahah
I never claimed to know everything.
Your the one that says Roulette can be scientifically proven.
Yet I see no evidence anywhere in this forum of it.
Getting similar results from a rng playtech casino?
Who are you kidding here?
I think your claims that it can be duplicated are totally bonk.
And your the one that should be called a scammer.
Skrizy is a scammer.
How about that for a topic?
QuoteMR thomas grant u are the proud owner of a brain the size of a walnut)??
Ahh nice, and here I was thinking that I had one much smaller.
Thanks for the upgrade. I like walnuts.
Dear thomas grant,
U fail to read and U fail to understand. Maybe i didn't explain well enough. Its nog roulette that needs research and i never intended to mean that. Its the results of the bot that needs scientific testing in order for people to see wether it performs like all the claims that have been made. This would mean that this bot and the system(s) behind it differs from others (usualy scams). Without the proof its just a pile of...
Kind regards,
Skrizy.
Quote from: Skrizy on July 10, 2009, 01:57:29 PM
Dear thomas grant,
U fail to read and U fail to understand. Maybe I didn't explain well enough. Its nog roulette that needs research and I never intended to mean that. Its the results of the bot that needs scientific testing in order for people to see wether it performs like all the claims that have been made. This would mean that this bot and the system(s) behind it differs from others (usualy scams). Without the proof its just a pile of...
Kind regards,
Skrizy.
Well, Mr Skrizy.
I have provided proof in every post.
With screen grabs of what my outcome has been.
Others that have used it may have different results.
I think Matt has been more than generous to you in offering you a test of the bot.
Well I think he did.
I will have to read up on the posts again.
Now if you consider me to have a brain the size of a walnut.
Then how could I possibly doctor any of countless pictures that have been posted?
Or come up with a way to use a txt file to manipulate the graphs?
Apparently I am not smart enough to do that.
Ergo. What I have posted. Is my own personal experience with this particular bot.
Others may have very different results.
They may use different settings than I do.
Perhaps the rng on BV was good to me.
Who knows. Who cares.
You seem to.
So I will keep on posting my results.
Till I have what I desire.
And that is a Blue Corvette.
Something that makes get out of bed.
And have a go.
This is NOT aimed at any individual.....
Discussion is fine guys but pls let's remember to NOT make it personal 8)
Thx you one & all..... :good:
QuoteIf you have problem with super roulette, it is with the creator and seller of the bot. Not a user of it.
I have been trying to explain that all along.
Thank for saying it so well.
I am a user of the bot.
Not a seller.
This post is all about how I personally have used it.
Not anyone else. Just me.
If anyone else has a different experience with it.
Then let them say so.
Let then post how they lost money with it.
Or how they used it.
Only TwoCat and myself have come forward and posted on how we have used the bot.
And what our own personal experience is with it.
Quote from: thomasgrant on July 10, 2009, 02:26:32 PM
I have been trying to explain that all along.
Thank for saying it so well.
I am a user of the bot.
Not a seller.
Ok, I use my words carefully here.....
Thomas in the quote above you state you are not a seller correct ??
Fair enough.....
Could you pls explain to me why, when you hit the "Roulette Bot Pro" banner on your website there is a clickbank link (clickbank is an affiliate company BTW) which sends you to the "Roulette Bot Pro" website.....
The strap line when you get to the website is :-
nolinks://nolinks (nolinks://nolinks). roulettebotpro. com/ ?hop= thomas 007 (yes spaces have been added because NO clickable links are allowed here at VLS)
So Matt now knows that Thomas Grant sent that person to Matt's website.....
Correct ?
IF there is no affiliate commission paid to you Thomas then why would Matt want to know that you had sent him a person to the "Roulette Bot Pro" website ??
Matt stated in reply #319 of this thread....
"I have not one affiliate."
"Matt"
So what is it pls guys ? Educate me......
Thomas do you get an affiliate commission ? Or is it a payment in kind ?
No money but the Bot for free, for example ?
@ Matt you have stated that you don not have ANY affiliates so why to you track how many people Thomas's website sends you ??
I'm dazed n confused guys.....
So I will thank you both in advance for explaining it all to me........ :good:
Quote from: xman1970 on July 10, 2009, 02:57:15 PM
Ok, I use my words carefully here.....
Thomas in the quote above you state you are not a seller correct ??
Fair enough.....
Could you pls explain to me why, when you hit the "Roulette Bot Pro" banner on your website there is a clickbank link (clickbank is an affiliate company BTW) which sends you to the "Roulette Bot Pro" website.....
The strap line when you get to the website is :-
nolinks://nolinks (nolinks://nolinks). roulettebotpro. com/ ?hop= thomas 007 (yes spaces have been added because NO clickable links are allowed here at VLS)
So Matt now knows that Thomas Grant sent that person to Matt's website.....
Correct ?
IF there is no affiliate commission paid to you Thomas then why would Matt want to know that you had sent him a person to the "Roulette Bot Pro" website ??
Matt stated in reply #319 of this thread....
"I have not one affiliate."
"Matt"
So what is it pls guys ? Educate me......
Thomas do you get an affiliate commission ? Or is it a payment in kind ?
No money but the Bot for free, for example ?
@ Matt you have stated that you don not have ANY affiliates so why to you track how many people Thomas's website sends you ??
I'm dazed n confused guys.....
So I will thank you both in advance for explaining it all to me........ :good:
I think the confusion is caused by this:
Roulette Bot Pro isn't Super Roulette Software...they're made by two different people...although they both are named Matt.
That's not the point though.
Roulette Bot Pro does have an affiliate program. However, I've gone to the "super roulette software" site a number of times and there is no affiliate program to be found.
So, in short, Thomas is an affiliate of Roulette Bot Pro...not Super Roulette Software.
If I were to find out that Thomas was an affiliate of Super Roulette Software, then I would have to throw out everything I've read on this thread. However, since Super Roulette Software doesn't have an affiliate program, Thomas is obviously not getting anything out of this.
I mean, how would matt know whether or not to give a commission to Thomas or not without an affiliate link? He wouldn't...it's not possible.
I only know that because I'm an internet marketer. No affiliate link/program means no commission...simple as that.
I even just went and looked at Thomas' website...he doesn't even have a link to Super Roulette Software on his website...at least not that I could find.
He does have an affiliate link to Roulette Bot Pro...however, he hasn't posted "amazing" results about that software here...just Super Roulette Software.
This leads me to believe (at least for the time being) that everything he has said is true. I also believe the posts about the people that have lost with it however.
As somebody has already stated, some people will win for 2 months using the Martingale and think they have the holy grail...
Some people win and some people lose.. But, just like the Marquee at a roulette wheel, most people win and lose in "chop sequences" win some, lose more.
Other win in "streaks" that can last...well...until they end. Maybe Thomas is just on a long winning streak here that will end soon.
Or maybe the software does what it says... I don't know, but that isn't the point of my postings here either.
Just like rjeaton1 said.
There happens to be two Matts.
Both with Bots.
Matt of Roulette Bot Pro.
And
Matt of Supper Roulette.
And I have stated several times.
That yes. I am an affiliate of Roulette Bot Pro.
And yes, I have a link on my webiste.
I promote it. I have a testimonial on youtube.
It is an excellent program.
There are no, repeat no links to the affiliate link in any of my posts.
Only the generic one. It's in one of the topics that I posted.
There are no links to my website in any of my posts.
No signature link. I removed it after Sam told me to.
The only link that can be found for my website is in my details.
But members would have to first look at my details.
Then decide if they wish to click on the link.
I hope that clears that up.
A final note: I get nothing from Supper Roulette.
As Matt of Super Roulette has stated several times.
There are no affiliates for Supper Roulette.
So let me make that absolutely clear.
I am NOT an AFFILIATE of Super Roulette.
Ok, are we done now?
If you have any doubts.
Ask TwoCatSam.
What can I say I got my Bots mixed up....... :blush2:
My deepest apologises all round
Many thanks for clearing up this matter........ :good:
QuoteThis leads me to believe (at least for the time being) that everything he has said is true. I also believe the posts about the people that have lost with it however.
I think in one of the early posts in this series.
I have a picture of where I nearly lost my undies.
And the road to get here has not been easy.
Took me 3 to 4 months.
Just to learn how to maximize the settings to get the best results.
Plus I push the limits of my own Balance.
Placing insane $10 bets.
I don't win all the time.
Sometimes I have a real bad run.
And the flow is against me.
So I pull out. And start again.
It also took me some 3 months before I got to $1000
From a $30 starting position.
That aint to shabby.
Others with more.
Have lost more.
Some have lost a lot more.
It could of been their settings.
Or they just had a run against them.
Not sure why they lost.
You will have to ask them.
Quote from: xman1970 on July 10, 2009, 03:47:15 PM
What can I say I got my Bots mixed up....... :blush2:
My deepest apologises all round
Many thanks for clearing up this matter........ :good:
Thank you.
Hey Mr. Xman...........
Imagine my confusion. I talked to both Matts thinking there was one Matt. Now I know there are two Matts from Canada and one from Australia. Two have bots; one from Australia has no bot.
Now that should clear it up for you!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on July 10, 2009, 04:13:13 PM
Hey Mr. Xman...........
Imagine my confusion. I talked to both Matts thinking there was one Matt. Now I know there are two Matts from Canada and one from Australia. Two have bots; one from Australia has no bot.
Now that should clear it up for you!
Sam
I think I've got confused enough for one day Sam..... :blush2: :-[ :blush2:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on July 10, 2009, 04:13:13 PM
Hey Mr. Xman...........
Imagine my confusion. I talked to both Matts thinking there was one Matt. Now I know there are two Matts from Canada and one from Australia. Two have bots; one from Australia has no bot.
Now that should clear it up for you!
Sam
Now you made me confused Sam.
QuoteNow I know there are two Matts from Canada and one from Australia.
That should read.
Now I know there are two Matts, one from Canada and one from Australia.
QuoteTwo have bots; one from Australia has no bot.
The one from Australia does have a bot Sam.
Your using it. It's called Super Roulette.
Whos on first?
Quote from: rjeaton1 on July 10, 2009, 04:18:10 PM
Whos on first?
Whats on second.
I don't know on third.
Whos on third?
No, whos on first.
I don't know is on third.
One of the great routines from Abbot and Costelo.
Errr I know we are not supposed to put links in the post.
But here is the link to Abbot and Costello in there Whos on First routine.
nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmvkO5x6Ng&feature=fvst# (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmvkO5x6Ng&feature=fvst#)
I can remove it if violates any terms.
That one's Ok Thomas, it's not a clickable link to a product...... 8)
Can your bot be programmed to pick up what my dog leaves in the yard? At least then it would be good for something..
Quote from: Spike on July 10, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
Can your bot be programmed to pick up what my dog leaves in the yard? At least then it would be good for something..
All depends on what sort of dog it is.
I have a Afghan hound.
I leave the bot going while I take her out for walks.
So yeah, its great for picking her stuff.
Gets me out of the house.
While I make some money.
Or at least I try to.
All depends on what sort of dog it is.>>
So your bot is good for something other than losing all your money. Refreshing..
Quote from: Spike on July 10, 2009, 08:43:09 PM
All depends on what sort of dog it is.>>
So your bot is good for something other than losing all your money. Refreshing..
Only problem in that statement.
Is that I have not lost any of my money at all.
Some of the casinos money. True.
Mine, I took out my money ages ago.
The bot paid for itself.
So I took that money out.
Took the original deposit out.
Still in front.
What follows is some internal mail correspondence from BetCruise and myself.
Date: 08.07.2009 16:06:39
Project: BetCruise
From: Finance Department
Subject: ID request
Dear, ThomasGrant
Your account is under investigation by our fraud department.
All funds are secure and protected.
For verification purposes, please provide us with a valid copy of your ID or drivers license.
Once we receive your documents, we will review your status.
Regards,
The BetCruise Finance Dept..
------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 08.07.2009 17:15:16
Project: BetCruise
To: Finance Department
Subject: RE: ID request
Err why?
I have made withdraws before.
And no one asked for any information.
What is going on?
I have supplied you with my Neteller info.
Neteller have received my personal information.
Should I contact Neteller and ask them to put your site on hold?
As you refuse to payout.
I can send you my details if you wish.
I have a drivers license.
And other documents to prove who I am.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 08.07.2009 17:18:00
Project: BetCruise
From: Finance Department
Subject: RE: RE: ID request
Dear, ThomasGrant
For verification purposes, please provide us with a valid copy of your ID or drivers license.
Once we receive your documents, we will review your status.
Thanks for contacting us!
The BetCruise Finance Dept..
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date:2009-07-08 17:15:16
subject:RE: ID request
------
Err why?
I have made withdraws before.
And no one asked for any information.
What is going on?
I have supplied you with my Neteller info.
Neteller have received my personal information.
Should I contact Neteller and ask them to put your site on hold?
As you refuse to payout.
I can send you my details if you wish.
I have a drivers license.
And other documents to prove who I am.
-------------------
Date: 08.07.2009 22:40:21
Project: BetCruise
From: Finance Department
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ID request
Dear, ThomasGrant
We would like to inform you that we received a copy of your document.
Could you please provide us with a copy of utility bill ?
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
Thanks for contacting us!
The BetCruise Finance Dept..
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date:2009-07-08 22:25:58
subject:RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ID request
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Ok, found a good picture of my drivers license.
Is this all you need.?
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Date: 09.07.2009 16:41:49
Project: BetCruise
From: Finance Department
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ID request
Dear, ThomasGrant
We would like to inform you that we have reviewed your account.
You can now return and play.
Also that 4 of your requests were processed.
Hope to have informed you well.
Regards,
The BetCruise Finance Dept..
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date:2009-07-09 15:57:46
subject:RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ID request
------
Here is a list of all the successful transactions to my Neteller account so far.
At no time has anyone ever asked me for any ID before.
Not on sign up. Not on any withdraw amount.
I have read the terms of the Neteller account withdraw request.
And I am only allowed to withdraw a maximum of €500
When I tried to take out more.
You ask for ID. I provided all the ID you will ever need.
I may have other documents if you wish.
PS: When will Neteller be out of the testing phase?
05.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
03.07.2009 €215 NETELLER: success
24.06.2009 €110 NETELLER: success
20.06.2009 €100 NETELLER: success
31.05.2009 €20 NETELLER: success
26.05.2009 €60 NETELLER: success
21.05.2009 €64 NETELLER: success
12.05.2009 €200 NETELLER: success
11.05.2009 €61 NETELLER: success
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Date: 09.07.2009 17:47:53
Project: BetCruise
From: Finance Department
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ID request
Dear ThomasGrant,
You are most welcome.
Regards,
Thanks for contacting us!
The BetCruise Finance Department.
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date:2009-07-09 17:42:22
subject:RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ID request
------
Thank you.
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End result...
I GOT PAID €2000
Dear, ThomasGrant
We would like to inform you that we have reviewed your account.
You can now return and play.
Also that 4 of your requests were processed.
My deposits.
29.06.2009 €17 NETELLER: success
22.06.2009 €45 NETELLER: success
21.04.2009 €10 NETELLER: success
4.04.2009 €30 NETELLER: success
Total €102 deposited.
Withdrawal
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: pending Cancel
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: pending Cancel
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
05.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
03.07.2009 €215 NETELLER: success
24.06.2009 €110 NETELLER: success
20.06.2009 €100 NETELLER: success
31.05.2009 €20 NETELLER: success
26.05.2009 €60 NETELLER: success
21.05.2009 €64 NETELLER: success
12.05.2009 €200 NETELLER: success
11.05.2009 €61 NETELLER: success
Total Withdrawal €4166
All these I got slugged 10% for withdraw.
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: pending Cancel
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: pending Cancel
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
09.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
05.07.2009 €500 NETELLER: success
03.07.2009 €215 NETELLER: success
So let me jump in here before someone else does.
QuoteYour account is under investigation by our fraud department.
All funds are secure and protected.
And then all goes well.
Dear, ThomasGrant
We would like to inform you that we have reviewed your account.
You can now return and play.
So according to BetCruise.
I am not a fraud.
I have supplied them with all the documents that they needed.
And I got paid.
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
These are the documents that I sent in.
Date: 09.07.2009 07:16:13
Project: BetCruise
From: Finance Department
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ID request
Dear, ThomasGrant
Thank you for your ID and address. your account has been put in turn to be reviewed. Please be patient.
Once we have an outcome we will contact you.
The BetCruise Finance Dept..
-------------------
date:2009-07-09 06:32:43
subject:RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: ID request
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1. Bank Statement from BankSA
2. ACN Mobile Phone bill.
3. BankWest statement
4. Macquarie Cash Management Trust account.
5. Dog registration.
Will send them all.
This is file 5.
Dog registration.
I do not have any utility bills in my name.
The documents provided should be ample.
I do not have a current passport.
Please let me know if there is anything else that you need for proof of ID.
I have Drivers Acreditation.
And a Taxi License.
I can send them as well if you wish.
And Credit/Debit card.
But my bank account details should be ample.
Thank you.
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And all of this is supposed to prove something? I can post documents that I'm Napolean's great great great grandson. It means nothing. Yawn.
Quote from: Spike on July 11, 2009, 04:28:44 AM
And all of this is supposed to prove something? I can post documents that I'm Napolean's great great great grandson. It means nothing. Yawn.
Well, if it means nothing.
Then why waste your time posting and telling us it means nothing.
You said I was loosing money.
You said a great deal of things.
Yet I continue to post my results regardless of your dribble.
You got nothing. And that makes me so happy.
Yet I continue to post my results regardless of your dribble.>>>
Dribble? You mean 'drivel'? Dribble is something you do on your bib..
Only fools believe you win consistantly with a robot. The bot is only as smart as you tell it to be, and from what I've read, it must be an idiot..
This banter is ridiculous, it proves nothing, if it keeps up I will lock this thread!
Quote from: Spike on July 12, 2009, 02:59:27 AM
Yet I continue to post my results regardless of your dribble.>>>
Dribble? You mean 'drivel'? Dribble is something you do on your bib..
Only fools believe you win consistantly with a robot. The bot is only as smart as you tell it to be, and from what I've read, it must be an idiot..
drivel, ahh that was it.
Dribble can also be used as a term in Basketball.
Well what ever system of method that your using.
Must be doing well for you.
Keep doing it.
As for the bot.
It is working for me.
I use it.
Makes me money.
How others find using it.
Is up to them.
Well Thomas, you made this a really easy decision!!
Thread locked.