Why not call the guy out instead of cussing him?

[TwoCatSam]

Some one comes on and says, "I can do such and such."  OK, it's tough to swallow.  No one can hit five straight up numbers in a row.  He says he can.

Instead of calling him a lyin' SOB and getting into a big argument, why not just politely ask him to prove it?  We have a challenge zone for one-on-one challenges.

winkel volunteered for a challenge and that gave me the idea.  I have well over 5,000 numbers from Casino Web Cam.  It's a Huxley Starburst wheel and I don't know of a better one.  I can pull a sheet at random and feed numbers to the player.  I'm sure one of the other moderators, or several of them, would also feed numbers.  My spins are numbered, so it's easy to keep track of the numbers.

OR.......as I did with winkel........I can scan and email the numbers to myself for a dated sheet that can't be disputed.  I would never give the player a number!  If they win, they'll do it under their own steam.

People, let's work something out!  I'm sick of A calling B a liar because of what B says he can do.

Here's my challenge:  If you are great, well, let's prove it!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

I have received an e-mail from a person wanting to prove a system he has.  I am leaving town on Wednesday morning and will not be able to supply numbers as I'd like to.  I'm going to a family reunion and If I want to stay in the family, I better leave roulette be.

SO......could I get a moderator or two who will be here for the next week?  I will need your e-mail address as I will scan the numbers and attach them.

This should prove very enlightening.

I think he will need the numbers one at a time, so bear that in mind.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

OK, which is it?

1.  I have fallen into such disrepute no moderator will work with me on this?
2.  This man has something to prove and we don't want to hear it?
3.  Not one single moderator has read this post?

WHAT?

Since I've been on this forum I've seen phony numbers and stats published more than once.  Slanted data.  Data used to prove a pointless point.  If we are ever going to accomplish anything here, we better all use the same thirty-six inch yardstick.

I am wanting to test things under the microscope of reality.  Checks and balances.  Double-blind studies. 

I'll do the thing myself if need be because I told the man I would.  You all know a person can't be glued to this computer day and night and two people shooting numbers like LeBear and Matty did would be great.

Now, to the man who accepted and volunteered--I will start a thread for you under the challenge section.  Tell me how many numbers you want to start with.  I will not identify you or your system.  You must do that.

Sam

[JHM]

Sam,

I think the mods aren't willing to help you anymore  .

Just kidding, why can't you provide the person with some of your test results from the actuals? They are real spins aren't they?

Jur

[TwoCatSam]

JHM

My spins are real.  He is doing real spins at DublinBet.  He says he is making money daily.

What am I trying to accomplish?  I'm trying to use a method of furnishing numbers so that the populace will believe this test is honest.  That's all.  If he just takes a sheet off my actuals, who knows if he's lying or not?

In the ray/herb challenge, we saw ray hit time and time again and his bankroll climb.  There was no possibility he knew those numbers beforehand.

You know, JHM, he gave the system to me......I didn't even ask for it.  Why?  I think he knows I am an honest tester.  Could I test these numbers myself over my own data and come to my own conclusions?  YES,AND I WILL.  BUT I AM OVERLOADED!! But would that benefit me and him or the forum? 

I'm trying to honestly benefit the forum and I'm about to decide the forum doesn't give a care. 

Sam

[Wildcard]

Sam, relax, please.

Listen (read) : This is the kind of event i´m looking for. Someone that has a valid system, willing to test and maybe share.  This benefits me directly !

Depending on how hard it is to test it, i am also available to help out if need be.

Spitting out numbers it´s easy enough, but you asked for the help of a moderator or two and last time i checked, i wasn´t one so i decided not to reply.

THIS DOESN´T MEAN THAT ME or many of our colleagues here don´t care.

We do! We appreciate the forum, we appreciate your input. We need guidance and a helping hand.

That´s why your word counts (for me, it does).

I hope the test goes through. Yours trully, the (not so) Wild 1 

[TwoCatSam]

Wildcard

I accept!!  All you have to do is feed numbers to this person.  My sheets are numbered with a spin number column.  So who ever is giving the spin can look and see he has spin #28 and needs #29.  No fussing with finding your place in the trot.

I will e-mail him and, when he's ready, I'll start the thread.  I'll need to send you the numbers so send me your e-mail address to twocatsam@cox.net.

Sam

[Wildcard]

LOL... i guess i´m in [smiley=3D-petit/kata.gif]

My part is easy.

Check your PM.

[TwoCatSam]

Waiting on Peter..........

[VLSroulette]

Hello Sam, I could feed some numbers in between my other regular PC activities. I'm in for it too.

P.S. We need a challenge-o-matic functionality where you (the one hosting the challenge) attach/upload a file to our server which is kept encripted and outside the /public_html/ directory, at the root account (not reachable by web), and the challenger gets an unique password-protected page i.e. VLSroulette.com/challenges/peter/ that presents him last/current number from the actuals file and roulette layout for him to input his bets with a submit button. Then that data gets collected and presented real-time at a public-access page i.e. VLSroulette.com/challenges/results/peter/ for everyone to observe the performance as it happens.

This way the challenge host only has to upload the file, the challenger can do the numbers at his own pace, not having to wait for more manual input as it is presented to him automatically, and viewers get to enjoy the latest action right away.

It could also be inserted his chart daily at a thread at the "challenge arena" section by a specially automated user. (Remember, we already have our first "bot" implemented and running for news, the NEWSbot collecting and posting news with his automated user account; which opens the door for an "ACTUALSbot" collecting religiously each day actuals from the internet sources and posting them to the proper section... and this possible "CHALLENGEbot").



I'm not talking this functionality for eons in the future, it can and will be a reality sooner than later. The first thing to enable such fuctionality where we offer public charts of the bets and results is to enable the [charts] tag, which I'm working on this very week, as our weekly goal for current week finishing on 31th. After our site gets the ability to elaborate charts from raw data, further implementations based on this functionality like the challenge-o-matic become one step closer to reality. By now, send me your data at vlsroulette@gmail.com and I'll be happy to manually help in the posting of numbers.

Kind regards,
Victor

[TwoCatSam]

Anyone ever notice how Victor takes a simple idea and makes it BETTER?

What you speak of is a challenger's dream. 

Don't work yourself to death, my friend.  Go play roulette or go eat that dish you and your wife love.  What was it??

I will scan and send the numbers today or tomorrow.  We can do this in the testing zone or via posts or both.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

How many numbers do you want to start and I will post them under the Challenge thread.

[TwoCatSam]

Peter

I will go to the system testing room under chat and post five numbers.

Sam

[MattyMattz]

Wow - sry for the late reply (to many threads to read these days!) but I'm usually around to help out with testing/challenges.

Cheers,
Matt

[MattyMattz]

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