No way of winning Roulette - online?

[babs]

Hi guys, I am still new to this forum but I have read through a few forums on the internet. I have tested a lot of systems (some I cooked up), but mostly I tested systems from other members on the forums. I have made the following discovery: I do not think it is possible to win at roulette when playing online, even when playing a live wheel. I do not live near a land based casino, so I tried my luck over the internet. The same pattern always emerges: when testing your system with play money it is running like clockwork. The minute you switch to  real money, the whole system tanks. Luckily I did not lose much money since I played very carefully. Still, I do not think it is possible to make money with roulette, unless you have access to a land based casino - which I don't.

Is there anyone on this forum that plays online successfully? I would love to hear from you.

[Proofreaders2000]

Its is possible to win online? well it depends where you go-but yes, I understand what you're talking about.
Some of these "Live" wheels are motion picture RNG's in disguise.  I've been told recently that some land-based casinos use electro-magnets to control the roulette wheel pill, so land or online, be careful.

[xman1970]

Some of these "Live" wheels are motion picture RNG's in disguise. 

Quite a claim Proof, would you care to elaborate pls.....


thanking you in advance.....

[Shorty]

I disagree when you say it isn't possible to win online. Let's think about this... Why does a system last in free play? Because you play it with your progression for a while and realise: "Hey, I can make money with this!" And you jump into real play. Now you will probably continue winning for a while until you hit your bad run. And the longer you play your system the sooner you are going to hit it. SO if you test your system in free play and it never loses a progression, you should expect it when you hit real play.

I believe that is the reason why people believe that online casinos cheat.

[Proofreaders2000]

Its is possible to win online? well it depends where you go-but yes, I understand what you're talking about.
Some of these "Live" wheels are motion picture RNG's in disguise.

Well, I am convinced that except for Dublinbet, 98% of the "Live" roulette wheels either use magnets or some other manipulation to distort the results of the wheels.  @ X-Man, beware of wheels that cut to another camera when you're betting real money.  I suspect that other camera may be to another wheel (not pictured) but with the results benefiting the casino, especially if you make a big bet or use a progression.

[See_Jerek]

Well, I am convinced that except for Dublinbet, 98% of the "Live" roulette wheels either use magnets or some other manipulation to distort the results of the wheels.  @ X-Man, beware of wheels that cut to another camera when you're betting real money.  I suspect that other camera may be to another wheel (not pictured) but with the results benefiting the casino, especially if you make a big bet or use a progression.

If they are cheating on you then someone's winning,can I say so?
I cannot assume they cheat and I am not ruling it out,I have played with a friend using 2 different notebooks,connections,accounts.the results is the same for play tech,I am not here to dispute anything,just letting you guys know what I did

[TwoCatSam]

babs

Do you switch from "play" to "real" money in the same session?  If you do, you may be watching a trend and switching to real money about the time the trend ends.

Any system is dependent on trends to a certain extent.   If the wheel is "going against you", there is nothing you can do but log out and come back later.  At times, you can do nothing wrong and at times, nothing right.

I am an American and can no longer play there, but in the day I did collect from Vegas Red and Casino Web Cam.  I do not think either one cheated me or faked spins.

On Vegas Red they have a chat marquee and people are constantly verifying the spin that just came.  These people are all over the world and they all see the same number.

Still, I can never be sure casinos don't cheat.  That paranoid part of me that escapes from time to time thinks they do.

Sam

[Proofreaders2000]

I have an idea for you babs.  There is an honest online live casino "as honest as you can get" called Dublinbet.  Track about 20-30 spins, or play with their play money, see if it works.  This will be your measuring stick for everyone else.  If you have a system that works at Dublinbet, it should work elsewhere.  Then you will know what kind of wheel you're playing with.

@See Jerek: I understand what you're saying if I'm losing some one else is winning.  Problem is I don't actually see that person winning.  Online, I realize once I put my bets down, I'm at the mercy of the casino & the internet, connection problems, whatever I don't see on the computer screen.  More and more I'm liking the idea of land-based casinos.

[xman1970]

@ X-Man, beware of wheels that cut to another camera when you're betting real money.  I suspect that other camera may be to another wheel (not pictured) but with the results benefiting the casino, especially if you make a big bet or use a progression.

Hey Proof 

Thx for getting back to me

There is no easy way to prove this one way of another, as Jerek has stated the same number does appear to go to ALL playtech casinos......

would be nice if someone here knew a "live feed" expert 

So you may have answered your own question......

bet low & without a progression 

great in theory more difficult in reality.....

[Yous]

Hey i beg to differ, all the online casinos operated in the uk are licensed and regulated by the office of fair trading and the government gambling agency.  The casinos already have a house edge, so there is no point in them cheating, because if they do cheat, and im not saying they cant, if they do, and get caught, it wont be  a good business strategy for them, because they will get shut down and also loose the money they made by cheating as a fine.  The casinos are bound to make money both mathematically and physically, there 100000000s of people who are gambling at this very moment, and those idiots also put back the money they make back in the gambling, and that increases their edge to 20% from 2%.  The casinos can benefit more from giving your free drinks and laying back, rather then using some devices are trying to hard to CHEAT you.

[MATTJONO]

I still believe that when the time limit is up and all bets have been confirmed, there will nearly every spin be somebody showing the dealer a section of the wheel where to aim for because lets say this 9 pocket section the dealer aims for has the lowest amount of bets made from players which as we know is  less payout by the casino.

it seems to us as its random but you never know, I play at betfread.com all I see is the table and the dealer and all she does is smile and click the mouse to check all the bets, they even spin the ball from where ever they want (not from the last number spun) they even spin the wheel to the speed they want. (maybe im just a sore loser).

and I think when testing systems threw data spins and on free play mode the strong systems will work, but when we put them to the test with a real dealer and try to win, its a different matter. i think playing online betting small sectors of the wheel, single numbers and even the dozens the house edge is not 2% its more like 60%. (maybe im abit over the top but I just had to say what I beleive in this matter)


cheers,
mattjono

[MATTJONO]

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