Why do so many of us persist...

[VLSroulette]

I'm not inclined to use any CGI tricks, where the clock on the server can be manipulated, bingo! I must be dead so here is the secret phrase. I need to give it to a person under a non disclosure agreement.

I have congestive heart failure. I could kick the bucket at any time. I think I won't any time soon, but you never know. It's an irony too. I'm taking care of my father who has the same problem. That keeps me from running wild on a break the casino binge. So I can't do what I want until he passes away and I might check out before him. I'm all he has so I do what I can. Life is very funny. Sometimes it throws you a curve ball. So I want to set this up before it's too late.

Gizmo, use the good ol' scheme then.

Sealed envelope, "not to open 'til I'm dead" certified will + lawers...

[bombus]

Perhaps it could be to do with the fact that you could play at any table in any casino and win money, also if you could win consistantly a reasonable amount you would have a recession proof job.  Plus if you could find a mechanical system you would have the satisfaction of having beaten random, which is a challange in itself.

Hey, shadowman.

Sit down at any table any time, relatively quick set up to play. Yes that's a plus for mechanical systems, I can see the attraction there for sure, as long as you win, but that's the problem, apparently you don't.

[bombus]

@Number 6

I think you make a strong point. The gambling psychology is a good pointer to mechanical system persistence.

That said, mechanical or no, there will always be discovery & learning regardless of your preferred method of play. Hence I don't believe there is any way to avoid the failing and the tweaking and the further analysis, or the initial impracticalities of newly birthed ideas.

So what if someone was to create a mechanical yet practical and relatively complex procedure that hunts for multiple events, and equipped it with fluctuation counter measures?
Could it work then do you think?

[bombus]

I'm not inclined to use any CGI tricks, where the clock on the server can be manipulated, bingo! I must be dead so here is the secret phrase. I need to give it to a person under a non disclosure agreement.

I have congestive heart failure. I could kick the bucket at any time. I think I won't any time soon, but you never know. It's an irony too. I'm taking care of my father who has the same problem. That keeps me from running wild on a break the casino binge. So I can't do what I want until he passes away and I might check out before him. I'm all he has so I do what I can. Life is very funny. Sometimes it throws you a curve ball. So I want to set this up before it's too late.

Well in light of that post, I sincerely hope it is many, many years before we are privy to your roulette accomplishments Gizmotron. Until then, we can all keep on keepin' on regardless.

Best of health to you and your dad.

[gizmotron]

Well in light of that post, I sincerely hope it is many, many years before we are privy to your roulette accomplishments Gizmotron. Until then, we can all keep on keepin' on regardless.

Best of health to you and your dad.

Thanks,

I discovered a unique positive progression this week. I've never even considered this kind of a +progression before. It plays right into my method, when times are right. I won 625 last week inside of 42 spins. That would have been more like 8,000 with the same level of value of chips I used. ...yes I will write it down and include it too.

[Lanky]

I have congestive heart failure. I could kick the bucket at any time. I think I won't any time soon, but you never know. It's an irony too. I'm taking care of my father who has the same problem. That keeps me from running wild on a break the casino binge. So I can't do what I want until he passes away and I might check out before him. I'm all he has so I do what I can. Life is very funny. Sometimes it throws you a curve ball. So I want to set this up before it's too late.

Giz.

I am Truly sorry to hear that about You and Your Father.

I know what its like to have Heart Disease.

My Wife & I will Pray for You & Your Father.

Lanky.

[lucky_strike]

I can see where you're coming from here as eventually it must be a trigger of some sort that commences an attack, and trigger of some sort that ends it. There may even be triggers that change an attack mid stream, including raising and lowering the stake. These triggers can be thoroughly rigid, or as vague and ambiguous as the player can manage, but after the long haul, they will all slot into regular little mechanical boxes, they will all be reactive to little inbuilt switches within the player's game.

bombus I just want to quote you and this is what it is about for me and i know many don't agree
when is it a random pick or a mechanical pick

Cheers LS

[Tangram]

Why couldn't a mechanical system operate over multiple data streams, and have deviation factors that react to what's happening on the table?

Bombus,

Yes, no argument from me. And LS is right to say that in the end you have to make a decision so to that extent any kind of play is mechanical, unless you're just betting randomly believing that no bet selection is better than any other. Most people believe this - that the term "bet selection" in roulette is meaningless, and it's all purely a matter of luck. 

Maybe mechanical should mean "a consistent winning bet". I don't believe there is one. Is it then contradictory to assert that a number of different bets played over a series cannot be profitable either, because any one of them can't be?

[lucky_strike]

Yes, no argument from me. And LS is right to say that in the end you have to make a decision so to that extent any kind of play is mechanical, unless you're just betting randomly believing that no bet selection is better than any other.

Thanks Tangram nice to see we agree a littel.
But i don't say that one way or the other is better.
I just say there is no educated guess.

Cheers LS

[Tangram]

when is it a random pick or a mechanical pick

I would say whether it's random or mechanical is based on the information you have. If you have data which suggests that the wheel is biased towards certain sectors/numbers and you play that sector, then it's a mechanical selection. If you believe that all sectors/numbers are equally likely then it's a random pick.

The question is when is it appropriate and rational to interpret the data as suggestive of bias? 

[Number Six]

@Number 6

I think you make a strong point. The gambling psychology is a good pointer to mechanical system persistence.

That said, mechanical or no, there will always be discovery & learning regardless of your preferred method of play. Hence I don't believe there is any way to avoid the failing and the tweaking and the further analysis, or the initial impracticalities of newly birthed ideas.

So what if someone was to create a mechanical yet practical and relatively complex procedure that hunts for multiple events, and equipped it with fluctuation counter measures?
Could it work then do you think?

There comes a time when people must realise that stone age methods which rely heavily and entirely on one thing (not talking about trends) can't defeat randomness. The principle problem behind the traditional mechanical system is that they are built on probability theory - what's likely to happen and what isn't. Probability theory really means very little to roulette, randomness doesn't care about equations or rules. You can't use probabilities to try to guess at how the randomness might behave in your next session at the table. I don't believe that you will ever see all 37/38 numbers appear consecutively...and that is the only probability and event I'm willing to trust not to happen when I play any of 100% mechanical system. There is nothing wrong with testing ideas and analysing why they went wrong, in fact it is encouraged, but really no matter how you turn something around and how many different ways you apply it, it is always going to be the same thing, only in disguise, and you're still going to end up in the same place. All roads lead to Rome.

Of course, your last sentence is an oxymoron 

[lucky_strike]

All roads lead to Rome.

Well I play random against random with one static rule and it can take a life time before I find a sequence from hell.
It will not happen next week because I have a lightning conductor.

That means I loss if I win the 1 million lottery.

Cheers Lucky Strike

[Number Six]

Well I play random against random with one static rule and it can take a life time before I find a sequence from hell.
It will not happen next week because I have a lightning conductor.

That means I loss if I win the 1 million lottery.

Cheers Lucky Strike

Hi LS 

But that is betting on sequences, which I wouldn't consider 100% mechanical. I think all methods have some form of mechanicalism in them, only some are more mechanical than others. Anyway, mechanical or not, does it really matter as long as it works?

[lucky_strike]

It is correct there is a sequence once not twice.
Reducing bets.
One static rule.
Lightning conductor.

To give you a hint about some-thing that will not be public.

Mechanical no exept one generating rule yes.

Yes it is all in.
Some divide a staking plan to small attacks.

LS

[lucky_strike]

I don't mention this because I know what will happen if I post it.
Some will read about it then they will try it.
Then they will find it boring to win 1, 2 or 3 units in one visit.
Then it will become and old post in the past and members will keep looking for a consistently winning method.

It has already happen in this forum.
There is post here about methods that some have used to fed there family with.
And there is method where they have won 100 session and break even 4 of them and lost 3.

So I guess we would need a section that we collect this methods.
Just have to mention it is not easy things to achieve there is long hours to spend in a real casino.

And to help Victor to get more sponsorship to hes forum this should only be seen by those who contribute with a least 5 Euro a month.

LS

[lucky_strike]

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