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Title: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 02:30:18 PM
Well  , there is  ONE  and ONLY ONE  method  of  play  to  come out ahead.  It`s one OR the other  of the usual EC`s. Discover it yourself. Here are some of the clues  and prerequisites:

1) Several  available  roulette tables at B & M casinos.

2) No sitting at the tables.

3) Not getting bored.You are NOT there to be   entertained.

4) Matthew  7:7

It`s  the ultimate method. It`s the cat`s meow.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!



Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: twackler on June 07, 2009, 02:38:46 PM
We're listening Nathan.
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: iboba on June 07, 2009, 03:26:06 PM
New CEH methods.????? 8) 8)
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MATTJONO on June 07, 2009, 03:46:24 PM
MAYBE ITS SEVERAL BETS AT SEVERAL TABLES.

are the chances the same for you to get 7 reds in a row at the same wheel -THAN- you betting martingale red at table 1, move to table 2 bet red, on to table 3 bet red, I wander if you could be that unlucky for a 50/50 chance at 7 seperate occasions.

hope you get entertained by me trying  ;D.

cheers,
mattjono
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: rss on June 07, 2009, 04:31:34 PM
wouldn't that be the same as betting 7 times in a row on the same table?
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: rss on June 07, 2009, 04:32:33 PM
maybe several tables are needed, cos there are few triggers..
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 04:40:02 PM
The only purpose  for  several tables is for the simple fact  that in case one gets BORED.  One table would be fine too. No martingale is  involved . Only ONE  or TWO  increases after a loss.NEVER more .

I have  come  across this method  about 18 years ago but it is very time consuming but then again it`s  less dangerous to ones bankroll .

It`s best to deploy this  method  during a  2-3  day casino  stay .


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!


Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: winkel on June 07, 2009, 04:56:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 04:40:02 PM
... the simple fact  that in case one gets BORED.  One table would be fine too. ...

The only way to get bored is to be involved into a guesswork about a roulette-system.
Just write down what you have.

br
winkel
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: rss on June 07, 2009, 05:02:10 PM
time consuming cos there are few triggers?
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: JHM on June 07, 2009, 05:02:12 PM
Nathan,

What is your bet selection, how do you play?
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: HansHuckebein on June 07, 2009, 05:30:01 PM
mattew 7:7

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

so it's a system with heaven on our side?  :angel:
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 06:16:19 PM
I am only playing ONE dominant which  happens to be BLACK. Maybe  someone might have the idea how this is being hadled the best way.

The  odds  for  any EC repeating itself 6  times in a row is 63-1.  Just consider 63-1 . One should know by then when it`s time and somewhat safe   to begin betting the dominant.

Nathan Detroit.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: HansHuckebein on June 07, 2009, 06:26:32 PM
well, I guess I think maybe I I know what you're after ...  :yes:

as it's already late testing will start tomorrow.

but thanks anyway Nathan.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 06:39:09 PM
Hans,

If you take  a glimpse at the Wiesbaden Permanenzes   Tisch  (table ) # 4 from today June 7, 2009 right from the beginning  you will get the  idea.   8 bets  and won 6 times. Net win  4 units.

rss : Yes , it  is time consuming waiting for the  trigger.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: lucky_strike on June 07, 2009, 07:59:09 PM
Nathan Detroit how do you play your method?
Is it like you see one dominant of the 3 ec and you follow then it ends and you follow the next dominant ec??
I just can't grasp what you are talking about???'

Maybe i will move this to Brainstorming.
That is an "online notepad" for system developers.

LS
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: lucky_strike on June 07, 2009, 08:14:44 PM

This section:

Full Systems
A system comprises a bet selection and money management.
This section is for the discussion of systems which are complete.

I can't see more then an idea so i have to move it.

LS
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 08:41:31 PM
It is  not a brainstorm of mine.

In all candor  this is NOT a new  system.  It is   around  for  a long time . It is  contained  in a  book ( 1987) on roulette by a well  known  guru who by the way is  the author books  on baccarat roulette, craps , BJ poker, video poker, slots, Pai Gow Poker,  etc . Therefore I don`t think I shall go any further with explaining this method .

I was ready to discuss this with the  last interested party giving full details.  But I shall refrain from doing so.




Good  Bye and Farewell.

Bye  Victor.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Lohnro on June 07, 2009, 09:55:25 PM
Nathan,

Please continue with your systems discussion.

Cheers,
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: VLSroulette on June 07, 2009, 09:57:41 PM
Yep, please do continue dear friend. No need to leave for this incident. We have our arms and ears open to hearm from *the* ND himself. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Lanky on June 07, 2009, 10:02:15 PM
@ Lohnro

Thanks for doing that Mate.

@Lucky.

I was the one that asked Lohnro to move this post back to here.
Please leave it alone.
The Man was about to explain things and You cut Him off.

@Nathan.

Yes Please Continue My Friend.

There are a heck of a lot of People here on this Forum that hold You in the Highest Regard.
And I am one of those people My Mate.

Lanky.

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Jakkalsdraai on June 08, 2009, 06:43:42 AM
Hi Nathan,

If you are still around mate,

please post this method of play.

Cheers
Jakk
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MATTJONO on June 08, 2009, 06:45:15 AM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 06:16:19 PM
I am only playing ONE dominant which  happens to be BLACK. Maybe  someone might have the idea how this is being hadled the best way.

The  odds  for  any EC repeating itself 6  times in a row is 63-1.  Just consider 63-1 . One should know by then when it`s time and somewhat safe   to begin betting the dominant.

Nathan Detroit.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!


so we walk into the casino in our mind that we are play a dominant even chance for the night o.k I choose ODD. I wait for any of the 7 live tables to spin in 6 odds in a row. now we have ODD as the dominant one we just have to take advantage of the next spins hoping ODD will hit more than even so we can take a profit from the table, and move on to the next.

''getting hotter''


MATTJONO
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: lucky_strike on June 08, 2009, 07:49:10 AM
Well I can see that some one move it back from Brainstorming i don't understand why.
But now I know there is a new rule to the forum policy  :thumbsup:

LS

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: WannaWin on June 08, 2009, 08:51:55 AM
Please post system Mr. Nathan.

Thank you.

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2009, 09:57:49 AM
My thanks to  Victor, Lanky , and Lohnro for resolving this situation. To Lucky Strike you did  what you thought was  the proper way to do.

So let`s move on.

" EC`s the   EZ way ".

Dominant : BLACK ( Or any other EC  of  preference)

We are beginning by   charting  a  table  for  R-R-R then bet Black 1 unit . If win stop . If loss, next bet 2 units . If win stop. If loss next bet 2 units. Win or loss stop either way and  chart for the next series .

The odds of a fourth RED are 15-1. A fifth RED 31-1. A sixth RED 63-1.


By  starting  with our bet  at the  fourth spin which is  a 15-1 for  RED repeating  itself .  But why don`t we increase  our bet from 2 to 3 units    at the 63-1 level if we  have lost the previous 2 spins ?

A win with 2 units  at the final stage  will reduce our loss to just  1 unit  while  in the event of a total loss of that series  instead of a loss   of 6  units   we are only losing 5  units.

If  at any time  during the series a 0/00  appears  all bets are off and we  begin again   AFTER our dominant,  which in my case happens to be BLACK , reappears  and  wait again for 3 of the opposite  EC. The same  MO goes for  a triple loss .We wait again for  the selected  dominant to show  and then resume  betting  after 3 of the opposite EC.

For the long intervals that might occur I  have  suggested  to keep an eye on the action   at several available tables.

As  an alternative to 3  of  opposite EC we  could begin betting after 2  .

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!



Bankroll for ONE session 40 units. Win goal  15- 20 %   Loss limit 25 %.








 



Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Compa on June 08, 2009, 11:14:57 AM
Very Nice mr. Detroit. However, what is your suggestion for RRR-RR-R ?

Cheers

/Compa
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: lucky_strike on June 08, 2009, 12:01:15 PM

Is this how you play?

TRNGs

2
2
1
2
2
2
1 W 1 +1
2
1
1
1
1 L 1 +0
2 W 2 +2
1
2
2
2
1 W 1 +3
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
1
2
1
1
2
1
2
1
1
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2 W 1 +4
1
2
1
2
2
2
1 W 1 +5
1
2
1
1
1
1 L 1 +4
1 L 2 +2
1 L 2 +0
2
2
2
2 L 1
1 W 2 +1
1
2
2
1
2
2
2
1 W 1 +2
1
2
2
2
2 L 1 +1
1 W 2 +3
2
2
2
1 W 1 +4
1
1
1 L 1 +3
2 W 2 +5
2
2
2 L 1 +4
2 L 2 +2
1 W 2 +0
1
2
1
2
1

Cheers LS
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: sniper on June 08, 2009, 12:27:07 PM
Hello Lucky Strike,

If I read correctly, Nathan Detroit suggested playing only one EC of your choice each time. If you bet on red you will wait for 3 blacks to appear and then bet only on red for a win or maximum 3 loss. Then you wait for a red to appear first then after 3 blacks you start betting on red again.
Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks Nathan Detroit for your system

Regards

sniper
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: lucky_strike on June 08, 2009, 12:40:53 PM

Okay it is the other way around.
I will test it.
Thanks.

LS
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2009, 12:44:05 PM
Lucky Strike,

It is exactly a sniper has explained to you.

Thanks sniper.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Compa,


********* However, what is your suggestion for RRR-RR-R ?*******

You mean placing a bet on Black after  6 Reds ? Wouldn`t it be an overkill at 127-1 ?

Let me explain :  the original version suggests  after 2 or  3 reds . Since this system was  recommended by a  professional gambler with over 55 years  of experience I would leave it at that.

Here find an excerpt from this gentleman  in an  e-mail to me:Obviously, you still have a great handle on Roulette ...........you ought to throw that approach ( regarding a  different system ) out on this board ( his board  ) which I did on March 3.2009)



Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!









Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MATTJONO on June 08, 2009, 02:13:00 PM
200+ spins. strong system but as always in my first test i see no run of 6RED.


i was playing BLACK for this test.


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Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: WhiteKnight on June 08, 2009, 08:02:35 PM
ND, thanks for sharing this system...will test it shortly, just wandering, what criteria do you use to determine which EC is the DOMINANT?
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2009, 08:28:21 PM
White Knight,


The dominant is being established BEFORE you enter a  casino. I always  choose  Black as my dominant . It can also be one of the other EC`s like Red, High, Low, Odd , Even. It`s strictly a personal preference.

Once  you have this system down pat  you could  add the other dominant RED to be played at an adjacent table.. But be mindful of the fact to bring along a  separate bankroll for RED.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: hermes on June 08, 2009, 11:54:47 PM
The tactics remains me on other ECs strategy called Roulette Pro or R56. You wait on any of the 3 EC chances for streak of 5 and then you bet opposite. Eg. 5 reds came then you bet on 6th spin black 1 unit. If you lose your bet bet one more time 2 units on black and when you lose that one also, stop and wait for next trigger. The bankroll is 20 units and when you win 4 or lose 6 units, whichever comes first go home. If zero comes between it stops the run! Eg. if came 5 reds and zero, the zero counts for black and you look for another trigger. There will be plenty of triggers at 100 spins for all 3 EC chances. If you think $50/unit, winner would take you home with $200 easily. It says that it is a winner in long run. Not boring at all. To increase performance play it with partner on 2 or 3 neighborly tables. Precaution! Play it only on live wheels! Tested on thousands of live spins.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Natural9 on June 09, 2009, 01:39:32 AM
Quote from: hermes on June 08, 2009, 11:54:47 PM
The tactics remains me on other ECs strategy called Roulette Pro or R56. You wait on any of the 3 EC chances for streak of 5 and then you bet opposite. Eg. 5 reds came then you bet on 6th spin black 1 unit. If you lose your bet bet one more time 2 units on black and when you lose that one also, stop and wait for next trigger. The bankroll is 20 units and when you win 4 or lose 6 units, whichever comes first go home. If zero comes between it stops the run! Eg. if came 5 reds and zero, the zero counts for black and you look for another trigger. There will be plenty of triggers at 100 spins for all 3 EC chances. If you think $50/unit, winner would take you home with $200 easily. It says that it is a winner in long run. Not boring at all. To increase performance play it with partner on 2 or 3 neighborly tables. Precaution! Play it only on live wheels! Tested on thousands of live spins.
Cheers Hermes


Hermes how many units per 100 spins would it win approximately and you said you think it a long term winner using those rules or yours

Regards Rodney
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: pooperscoopers@rock.com on June 09, 2009, 04:29:02 AM
Quote from: Natural9 link=topic=10093.  msg64130#msg64130 date=1244522372
Hermes how many units per 100 spins would it win approximately and you said you think it a long term winner using those rules or yours

Regards Rodney

Rodney,

I found the original thread here.  .  .

vlsroulette. com/full-systems/ec-system/

Strangely enough, you were the last person to reply to the thread. 
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: lucky_strike on June 09, 2009, 08:16:29 AM
Is this correct?
So I try it again.
1 is red and 2 is black.

I stick to black "2" and play red "1".
Then it will look like this:

2
2
1
2
2
2
1 W 1 +1
2
1
1
1
1
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1
2
2
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1 W 1 +2
2
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1
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1
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1
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1
1
1
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2
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2 L 1 +2
1 W 2 +4
1
2
2
1
2
2
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1 W 1 +5
1
2
2
2
2 L 1 +4
1 W 2 +6
2
2
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1 W 1 +7
1
1
1
2
2
2
2 L 1 +6
2 L 2 +5
1 W 2 +7
1
2
1
2
1

One thing that i like very much with this method is that you have your Ante at all times.
Pick one colour and stick to it at all times.

My Ante Your Ante.


Cheers Lucky Strike
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Compa on June 09, 2009, 08:25:46 AM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Compa,


********* However, what is your suggestion for RRR-RR-R ?*******

You mean placing a bet on Black after  6 Reds ? Wouldn`t it be an overkill at 127-1 ?

Let me explain :  the original version suggests  after 2 or  3 reds . Since this system was  recommended by a  professional gambler with over 55 years  of experience I would leave it at that.

Here find an excerpt from this gentleman  in an  e-mail to me:Obviously, you still have a great handle on Roulette ...........you ought to throw that approach ( regarding a  different system ) out on this board ( his board  ) which I did on March 3.2009)



Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!











Thank You mr .Detroit!

Cheers
/Compa
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MAX on June 09, 2009, 12:50:13 PM
Nathan Detroit

Easy straight forward system.

Bankroll for ONE session 40 units. Win goal  15- 20 %   Loss limit 25 %. The money management is also clever worked out  for this method.

Who is the original designer ?

Regards
MAX
(Thanks for sharing)
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 09, 2009, 02:28:31 PM
MAX.

******Who is the original designer ?******

Check your message box.

Nathan Detroit
HPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: casinopitbull on June 09, 2009, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: MATTJONO link=topic=10093. msg63956#msg63956 date=1244481180
200+ spins.  strong system but as always in my first test I see no run of 6RED.


I was playing BLACK for this test.


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session END +12units
WHAT A PERFECT NUMBERS ))))))))))))))))))))))))
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MAX on June 09, 2009, 02:51:28 PM
Nathan Detroit

Thanks for your response.

:)

Regards
MAX
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MATTJONO on June 09, 2009, 03:16:38 PM
it always happens to me when i test systems. before i cut and pasted them numbers to be tested i was thinking ''right red or black '' i chose black and it was a perfect run.

Nathan. if we only had 1 table to play with. Would you suggest playing any 2 or 3 of the even chances using (Bankroll for ONE session 40 units. Win goal  15- 20 %   Loss limit 25 %.).

THANKS

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: iboba on June 09, 2009, 03:59:46 PM
Matj.mate,
I won on this strategy 38,5 units in 267 spins last night,plus won 2 more larger units,/as it suits my way of playing,waiting,tracking
other situations on the table/.....Recommend this play,but on all E/C
.....................................................Iboba 8) 8)
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MATTJONO on June 09, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
Quote from: iboba on June 09, 2009, 03:59:46 PM
Matj.mate,
I won on this strategy 38,5 units in 267 spins last night,plus won 2 more larger units,/as it suits my way of playing,waiting,tracking
other situations on the table/.....Recommend this play,but on all E/C
.....................................................Iboba 8) 8)

Cheers iboba .

and well done with the winnings ill be ready soon to enter the casino (work) :dance1:
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: rss on June 09, 2009, 04:27:51 PM
Hi Nathan,
Thanks for posting this system.

My question is,

Does it make a difference if you bet both R and B , after the trigger, instead of only the dominant?

eg RRR bet B

BBB bet R ?
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Learning on June 10, 2009, 12:32:18 AM
Excellent question rss, in my humble opinion, as I was practicing with this method last night, the same question came to me, along with using odd/even, and 1-18 & 19-36 at the same time using the same methods and progression.  In this, and in all things, I am "Learning"
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: iboba on June 10, 2009, 03:50:21 AM
Will unswer instead,on 3 E/C simultaneously....Iboba 8)
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: sniper on June 10, 2009, 08:25:27 AM
Hello Nathan Detroit,

Thanks for your system. By the way can I play 3 even chances on the same table? If yes, what should the bankroll be? What about target and stop loss for 3 EC's?

Regards

sniper
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MATTJONO on June 10, 2009, 08:48:20 AM
hi sniper.

from what I would do and would love to do soon as I can, is take £60 into my local casino and play with 0.50p chips. And then follow the rules  :rtfm: (easy enough said than done)

BLACK-- 40 units. Win goal  15- 20 %   Loss limit 25 %.
ODD-- 40 units. Win goal  15- 20 %   Loss limit 25 %
HIGH-- 40 units. Win goal  15- 20 %   Loss limit 25 %


mattjono
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: sniper on June 10, 2009, 10:20:23 AM
Hello MATTJONO,

Thanks my friend. Wish you success in your challenge. I really like your style of getting things done. Your approach is very practical and direct. No venture no gain. It's good to go out there and have a feel, otherwise we will never improve.

Thanks again and BEST OF LUCK.

Regards

sniper
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: pgtmedu on June 10, 2009, 10:40:02 AM
Hi,
After 3 session loses, ie. lose 15units, I think we should lift the bet to 2 units: 2,4,4 ( or 6)
Cheers!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: hot vegas night on June 10, 2009, 11:56:24 AM
I have been testing it online on play mode and I am pretty impressed.   It is over 13 units in profit, and this is on a double zero wheel.
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 10, 2009, 03:26:37 PM
Sniper ,

*******Hello Nathan Detroit,

Thanks for your system. By the way can I play 3 even chances on the same table? If yes, what should the bankroll be? What about target and stop loss for 3 EC's?

Regards

sniper********


Nothing should prevent us  from following and betting 3 EC`s on the same table   . A separate  bankroll  of 40 units ( whatever the unit may  be .50. $1  $ 5   $25 ) is mandatory for each    EC  per session. The MM plan requires to play 3 sessions with the objective of winning 2 out of 3 sessions.

The only drawback seems to be   that we might find  ourselves standing near the table  while   awaiting the trigger  for action.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 10, 2009, 03:37:50 PM
I would like to add one more word to the win goal:

A win goal does not necessarily mean  a " win limit ".If the  win goal has been reached add the 15  or  20 % to  the original bankroll and keep  playing with the  EXCESS the same  MO until the FIRST loss. You have   already GUARANTEED yourself  15- 20%.

If all 3  sessions  go down in flames  there is always  a tomorrow. So don`t worry.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 10, 2009, 04:07:12 PM
rss ,

If you are comfortable with  alternating either the B  or the R  then why not.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGSS!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MATTJONO on June 10, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
Quote from: sniper on June 10, 2009, 10:20:23 AM
Hello MATTJONO,

Thanks my friend. Wish you success in your challenge. I really like your style of getting things done. Your approach is very practical and direct. No venture no gain. It's good to go out there and have a feel, otherwise we will never improve.

Thanks again and BEST OF LUCK.

Regards

sniper


thanks sniper. ill let you know how i get on in the future.

matt
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: hermes on June 12, 2009, 08:56:49 PM
Natural, it is in my reply clear: 4 units win or 6 units loss go home. It is not my system or rules I only mention it here as addition to Nathan's ideas.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: XzenX on June 14, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
What are the results from testing. . .  good/bad????
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on June 15, 2009, 02:05:33 PM
A real PRO should  recognize  a system  especially an EC  system. Because  there is NOTHING to test : If you lose  3 times in a row you get away from the table. If you are winning you add your win goal to the BIG PILE  and keep going with the  EXCESS until the first loss.

You  MUST leave the table  if you have  reached the  pre -determined LOSS LIMIT. Anything else  reekes of AMATEURISM .



Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!


Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: carolinamark on June 25, 2009, 05:06:52 PM
I don't think this system will work.  RRR is in the past.  We know what it is and we did not bet on it.
Now the only think determining if we win on our first bet is do we spin red or black.  It's just another 50/50 bet with a lot of waiting
for a trigger that doesn't help us any.

Just my 2 cents.

CarolinaMark
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 17, 2009, 05:19:21 PM
Apparently you do not understand the philosophy behind this method. It is  an ODDS based method. So please  read  the entire thread  before jumping to the old  cliche : it`s  50/ 50   with the next bet.

It has been explained right from the beginning. . Get up after you have  won 4   units  or  get up if you have lost 6 units. So read FIRST before  jumping to  unsubstantiated conclusions.

Some people  are so used of getting everything spoon fed. BEAM ME UP .

THINK !
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: hoper35 on July 17, 2009, 08:40:58 PM
I'm guessing that you guys are on to something.  >:D
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: simon on July 17, 2009, 09:55:30 PM
If the system is boring to play waiting for the betting opportunity then I would think you would want to track and play all three of the even chances at once at the same table, and if the system has any merit you should be playing all six factors against each other, that is the only way to know if the system works, rather than picking just one (or at least test it that way.)
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: simon on July 18, 2009, 12:50:50 AM
Here are 450 real spins from real double zeroe wheels.  They are 75 continuous spins that I recorded from 6 different wheels, showing the numbers and B/R, O/E, and H/L.  The system should be tested for what the betting and results would have been should the chosen ec to bet as per the system be Black, or Red, or Odd, or Even, or High, or Low.  There is no reason to play B at one table and watch R at another table.  If the total score utilizing all six factors on these spins is positive, then it's a good system.

(John Patrick is the "professional gambler" who always says to stop after losing 3 bets.  I have read his books and seen his videos and my only comment about him is, he's pretty good at selling books and vids.)
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: wiggy on July 18, 2009, 03:14:04 AM
Hi Nathan - who designed this system? I'd be interested in reading his book you mentioned.
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 06:38:06 AM
wiggy

I  just send you a  PM


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: bali96 on July 18, 2009, 07:53:39 AM
Hi Nathan

I too would be interested in reading more about this way of playing. If you would be kind enough to point me in the right direction I would be soooooo grateful.  :good:

Thank you.
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 07:56:12 AM
simon,

Playing ALL 3  of the EC meaning keeping track  as well as  action of  B/R  H/L O/E  keeps you more than busy  at the table.It`s mind boggling.

In ADDITION :  To play    Black  and  Red  at the same  table  I have nor problem sincethey are alternating exacctly with one  pocket between them. But on the 0/00 wheel  there are always  2 pockets between  High and Low  or  Odd and Even.
It`s no longer BRBRBB etc. but  HHLLHHLLHHLL or OOEEOOEEOOEE . Gives me  an enireky different perspective and this is what has held me  back on those two EC.

I did it once with another  method  called  intermediate equaliztion of even chances  ( IEEC) and the next day my head was  still spinning .

Then one must consider the bankroll requirements. Identical  bankrolls  for EACH  one  of the  EC

One  more  item , I am not a professional gambler and  therefore do not derive any income  from gambling. Mr. Patrick`s methods suit me fine. I am playing  with strict discipline, proper bamkroll etc . and at all times I am aware of the fact that I am in an entertainment environment  and holding down losses .

Doesn`t it feel ROTTEN  driving home  with a  heavy loss under your belly just trying the win the worst way and losing  at the  same time???  

The answer   as to  why stop after 3  losses in a row is found right here in this  entire thread when we  ANTICIPATE that  after 3  Reds by  CONSIDERING   the odds that there could  be  a change into the  other direction.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 08:37:10 AM
bali,

I have send a  PM.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: pgtmedu on July 18, 2009, 09:55:38 AM
Hi Detroit,
Would you please send me the document?
Best regards,
Dinh
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: iboba on July 18, 2009, 10:25:15 AM
No it's not mind boggling,Nathan,
it's very easy tracking all 3 e/c and at the
same time,tracking other betting possibilities,
which I do when playing this..........Iboba
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 10:38:02 AM
Iboba,

I shall look into this . This way I can  sit at the table.  However what I was referring to was when I did another method called " Intermediate Equalizaton of Even Chances". This was  mind boggling.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 12:36:00 PM
geniusly,

What I want you to do is  to read ALL posts  of this  thread right from the beginning . This  system will hold  your losses  down and if you encounter some  losses they could easily be  recovered in subsequent sessions.

For ONE  dominant you will require  atleast  30 units per session and you  should  attempt  to win 2  out of 3 sessions.

Nathan Detroit

HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
                                 
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: bali96 on July 18, 2009, 01:01:22 PM
Thank you Nathan, much appreciated.  :good:
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 02:03:53 PM
geniusly,

If you notice that it works  for you with the lowest table minimum then I can only say : If you want to win more  then bring more.
All table games  do not  feature a jackpot. It`s  hard work.

For instance : 10-20-20  or 25 - 50-50 or 50- 100-100 ( If they let you or it`s within their table  outside Maximum). Don`t ever forget those casino cats do have their  own loss limit. All those  amount conform to the basic  idea of 1-2-2.

You might ask why not 1-2-3 . To keep losses  down and if the last one is a win  with 2 in then you are  only down by 50 % of that series . If all 3  go down it softens the blow. >:(

Nathan Detroi
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
     
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: ced82 on July 18, 2009, 02:43:45 PM
Am I the only one not to see system there?
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 03:42:30 PM
geniusly,

First of all  we  don`t play  by the nite  or  hour. We play by the win goal or  loss limit. Bringing Euro 10,000 to the casino entitles the smart player to consider  a win goal ( NOT win limit ) of 5% yes   500 Euros.

The greater the bankroll , the lower the win goal.

That`s  for the smart cats. NO SWEAT !!! You do this 20 times a month will give a net of 120,000  anually. NO danger to the  bankroll.

Remember I said SMART cats NOT greedy cats.

Nathan Detroit.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!





Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 03:52:40 PM
ced82,

Go to post # 24.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: simon on July 18, 2009, 04:02:01 PM
this system loses quickly and continually betting either color on my real spins.  but hey that was just the first 75 spins I tested.  maybe the O/E's and H/L's will do better.  this definitely is no holy grail.  (especially if it was designed by John Patrick-- he's a good talker but not much for designing roulette systems.)
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 05:21:10 PM
That`s your opinion.  You talk about  75 spins but not 75 OPPORTUNITIES.  Quite  a difference between  the two.
The instructions  for this system are  to stop the session after 3 losses in a row  or if you have reached  the loss limit.

This  is  considered discipline.

Same  goes for  winnings. If the win goal has  been reached then one  keeps playing until the first or second loss.  Then leave the table and prepare yourself for the second session.

Don`t blame  anyone  for your lack of discipline  which is  of vital importance  especially in  a B & M casino.





Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: hot vegas night on July 18, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
I have tried this system over and over, and it doesn't work. :nono:
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 18, 2009, 09:35:03 PM
Christopher ,

You saw  my explanation I have  given above. You are an intelligent person and should know  that this  method  is  strictly based upon  ODDS . Nothing else. At post # 24  is a  detailed  discription how  it should be approached.

Try it at a live table  and those casino cats  won`t know what to do with you.  I did play this  several years ago but they PB were not too happy  with me.  

Since one   could not sit at the table  playing in this manner  I was  compelled to stand around a lot waiting for the right opportunity. I had picked only one  dominant at that time  and still do today: BLACK.

Check it against the live  results  at the Wiesbaden casino daily from 9 Am - 9  PM EDST .

I actually give a rat`s tail how  anyone plays in a casino  and makes  money or not as long as they are happy with whatever they are doing.  :yahoo:


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: simon on July 18, 2009, 10:51:52 PM
"I actually give a rat`s tail..."

... yep, definitely a John Patrick groupie, that's what JP always says...

"Try it at a live table  and those casino cats  won`t know what to do with you.  I did play this  several years ago but they PB were not too happy  with me."

............ oh that's rich, that's a good one...  come down to my casino... let's see how "upset" they get with you because you're winning too much with your been there/done that 20 years ago little system...

...... stop now, come back later... you really think it makes a difference?
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: TwoCatSam on July 18, 2009, 11:06:49 PM
The odds of a fourth RED are 15-1. A fifth RED 31-1. A sixth RED 63-1.


KFS proved beyond a shadow of the doubt that the above is incorrect.  Even if you had five of any EC in a row, the odds of number six are exactly the same:  48.65%  The above is only true if you could go back in time to before the first bet and then make the statement.  Jumping in after the consecutive ECs have spun is not the same.  Remember, it's a whole new world every spin.

Or is it?

Sam
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: simon on July 18, 2009, 11:13:01 PM
ofcourse it's the same odds every spin.

I guess we will not be able to quit our day jobs after all.  bummer.

unless maybe you could build us a time machine Sam?

(but not really necessary to have a time machine, you can just bet that the next 4, 5, or 6 spins won't be all red, but that's a whole other system for a whole other thread....)
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: rjeaton1 on July 19, 2009, 02:55:46 AM
Tracking all 3 EC's is something I like to play around with every now and again.  Keeping track of all three at a FAST pace can sometimes be difficult.  That was the reason I had a tracker made for it.

You can download it here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=402 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=402)

Visually...it makes it VERY easy.
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 19, 2009, 03:56:18 AM
rjeaton1

Thanks  for the link.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: hot vegas night on July 19, 2009, 05:32:21 AM
Quote from: hot vegas night on July 18, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
I have tried this system over and over, and it doesn't work. :nono:

I have done more testing.  This should be renamed "the ultimate failure"
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 19, 2009, 07:58:44 AM
It is  apparent that the  thread has  run it`s  course. I am glad to answer any  pertinent questions  via PM.

Thanks  for your interest   and   comments  including the  ones from the MINOR league.

To all of you who  are showing preference to COMMON SENSE without the  blessings of the MATH BOYZZZ  may your winnings  be  especially HAPPY.


Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: MATTJONO on July 19, 2009, 08:09:34 AM
Just thought I would jump in and say im 100% sure that Nathan Detroit has won more money than he has lost with this system.

he has shown us the loss limit and the win goal which is smartly set up and if we stick with this and have lots of patiance im sure we could all get to a point when we have lost just 1 session out of 10 sessions, then again we could lose 5 sessions in a row but from my point of view you carnt knock it until you have tried and tested it ''properly''.

cheers,
mattjono
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: TwoCatSam on July 19, 2009, 02:08:25 PM
Nathan

I will give you credit for this:  You actually posted some rules and not just an eternal barrage of hints!  

While I may be in the "junior league", I can promise you that I have tested all these EC systems more than I care to remember.  And there are many

Here's a quote and the red is mine:

We are beginning by   charting  a  table  for  R-R-R then bet Black 1 unit . If win stop . If loss, next bet 2 units . If win stop. If loss next bet 2 units. Win or loss stop either way and  chart for the next series .


Let's see.....we bet 1 unit, then 2 and then 2.  Wouldn't that be 5 units for a losing session?  Now, to recoup that loss you must win either the first or second leg five times in a row before hitting a looser again.

You may do this a few times, but you're counting on a "hit and run" methodology to keep you in the black and "hit and run" simply does not work.  Why?  Because the spins you see are "your" spins.  It matters not if you see 5,000 spins in one trot or 1,000 spins in five trots or 100 spins in fifty trots.  The zero will still occur 2.7% of the time for YOU.

Before you bet anything but pennies on this, you should all go and read KFS's booklet on odds and math.  Many subscribe to this erroneous way of thinking and KFS politely explained how it will get you no where except broke. 

Sam




Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: iboba on July 19, 2009, 03:06:15 PM
You wrong my dear 2CS,
ESPECIALLY IF YOU DO IT R,R,R,R,----1,2,-----,
but either it wins,in casino LIDO Venice/and some other
europian casinos/where E/C stay inprisioned,therefore
zero doesn't eats you.Viva Venice and Barcelona
and the prison things...............Iboba
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 19, 2009, 03:37:04 PM
Mr. Iboba ,

Sir,

In Atlantic City , NJ  there is  le partage  in effect on all 0/00 roulette wheels  whereby one only loses half the wagered amount .
Those are the  written  rules for  0/00 wheels within the  Atlantic City gaming jurisdiction .l  

Not so for the  single 0 wheel where  one loses the full amount with their rather steep $ 25.00 minimum bets  .



Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: TwoCatSam on July 19, 2009, 04:40:01 PM
Mr. Iboba

if you wait for  R R R R and then bet 1 (loose) and then 2...........all you're doing is a Martingale.  A two-step Martingale.  The four even chances are history, whatever they might have been.  It's all the same as waiting for R B R B and then betting the wheel won't repeat it with R B R B.  I can assure you it will!

Believe me, I wish what you people were saying was the truth, but it simply isn't.  Anyone could program this into Rx and run a few thousands Spielbank spins through it and you would know.

Good grief!  If this were true, it would be the much sought-after "Holy Grail". 

It's been good debating with you guys.  No name calling.  We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sam
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: hot vegas night on July 20, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
I have tested and tested this system to death.  This has to be one of the worst results I have seen.  I would be better off using Jbrockbetting's single zero martingale system over this one. :nono:
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: atlantis on July 21, 2009, 02:51:06 PM
Quote from: hot vegas night on July 20, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
I have tested and tested this system to death.  This has to be one of the worst results I have seen.  I would be better off using Jbrockbetting's single zero martingale system over this one. :nono:

Well of course you would say that, Hot Vegas Night... After all you and JBrockbetting are one and the same person, aren't you?

Atlantis.
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: iboba on July 21, 2009, 04:29:24 PM
Nothing works with or for woman.
That's the fact...........Iboba
H.V.N.---for you
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: Nathan Detroit on July 22, 2009, 08:17:55 AM
geniusly,

*****20times a month?
why not 30 times a month?
why not 100 times in a month?*****

I am very serious.  No beating around the bush  and I am keeping this  simple . Not according to the usual norm: Stupid Question-----Stupid answer .!

Going  to a casino   five times  a week is  about the normal  routine to do when you live  within an area close by . It`s  another matter if travel to and from a casino is involved.

This is  a straight forward reply for a serious  subject and let`s leave it as such.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!



Just adhere to the recommended loss limit  and win goal which was given for the  10,000 Euros  and you shall come out ahead. There is NEVER , EVER  a GUARANTEE  given for  a game  of chance.

If you expect this then you are barking up the wrong tree .



Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: hot vegas night on July 22, 2009, 10:12:21 AM
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on July 22, 2009, 08:17:55 AM
geniusly,

*****20times a month?
why not 30 times a month?
why not 100 times in a month?*****

I am very serious.  No beating around the bush  and I am keeping this  simple . Not according to the usual norm: Stupid Question-----Stupid answer .!

Going  to a casino   five times  a week is  about the normal  routine to do when you live  within an area close by . It`s  another matter if travel to and from a casino is involved.

This is  a straight forward reply for a serious  subject and let`s leave it as such.

Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!



Just adhere to the recommended loss limit  and win goal which was given for the  10,000 Euros  and you shall come out ahead. There is NEVER , EVER  a GUARANTEE  given for  a game  of chance.

If you expect this then you are barking up the wrong tree .




Actually, why don't you just give the 10,000 euros to me instead of the casino? :girl_wacko:
Title: Re: The ultimate system
Post by: rjeaton1 on July 22, 2009, 11:18:16 AM
You can download the RXtreme coding for this here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=413 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=413)

It makes your starting BR 40 units and then stops either on a loss of 10 units (25% of starting BR) or a win of 8 units (20% of starting BR)