Well , there is ONE and ONLY ONE method of play to come out ahead. It`s one OR the other of the usual EC`s. Discover it yourself. Here are some of the clues and prerequisites:
1) Several available roulette tables at B & M casinos.
2) No sitting at the tables.
3) Not getting bored.You are NOT there to be entertained.
4) Matthew 7:7
It`s the ultimate method. It`s the cat`s meow.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
We're listening Nathan.
New CEH methods.????? 8) 8)
MAYBE ITS SEVERAL BETS AT SEVERAL TABLES.
are the chances the same for you to get 7 reds in a row at the same wheel -THAN- you betting martingale red at table 1, move to table 2 bet red, on to table 3 bet red, I wander if you could be that unlucky for a 50/50 chance at 7 seperate occasions.
hope you get entertained by me trying ;D.
cheers,
mattjono
wouldn't that be the same as betting 7 times in a row on the same table?
maybe several tables are needed, cos there are few triggers..
The only purpose for several tables is for the simple fact that in case one gets BORED. One table would be fine too. No martingale is involved . Only ONE or TWO increases after a loss.NEVER more .
I have come across this method about 18 years ago but it is very time consuming but then again it`s less dangerous to ones bankroll .
It`s best to deploy this method during a 2-3 day casino stay .
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 04:40:02 PM
... the simple fact that in case one gets BORED. One table would be fine too. ...
The only way to get bored is to be involved into a guesswork about a roulette-system.
Just write down what you have.
br
winkel
time consuming cos there are few triggers?
Nathan,
What is your bet selection, how do you play?
mattew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."
so it's a system with heaven on our side? :angel:
I am only playing ONE dominant which happens to be BLACK. Maybe someone might have the idea how this is being hadled the best way.
The odds for any EC repeating itself 6 times in a row is 63-1. Just consider 63-1 . One should know by then when it`s time and somewhat safe to begin betting the dominant.
Nathan Detroit.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
well, I guess I think maybe I I know what you're after ... :yes:
as it's already late testing will start tomorrow.
but thanks anyway Nathan. :thumbsup:
Hans,
If you take a glimpse at the Wiesbaden Permanenzes Tisch (table ) # 4 from today June 7, 2009 right from the beginning you will get the idea. 8 bets and won 6 times. Net win 4 units.
rss : Yes , it is time consuming waiting for the trigger.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Nathan Detroit how do you play your method?
Is it like you see one dominant of the 3 ec and you follow then it ends and you follow the next dominant ec??
I just can't grasp what you are talking about???'
Maybe i will move this to Brainstorming.
That is an "online notepad" for system developers.
LS
This section:
Full Systems
A system comprises a bet selection and money management.
This section is for the discussion of systems which are complete.
I can't see more then an idea so i have to move it.
LS
It is not a brainstorm of mine.
In all candor this is NOT a new system. It is around for a long time . It is contained in a book ( 1987) on roulette by a well known guru who by the way is the author books on baccarat roulette, craps , BJ poker, video poker, slots, Pai Gow Poker, etc . Therefore I don`t think I shall go any further with explaining this method .
I was ready to discuss this with the last interested party giving full details. But I shall refrain from doing so.
Good Bye and Farewell.
Bye Victor.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Nathan,
Please continue with your systems discussion.
Cheers,
Yep, please do continue dear friend. No need to leave for this incident. We have our arms and ears open to hearm from *the* ND himself. :thumbsup:
@ Lohnro
Thanks for doing that Mate.
@Lucky.
I was the one that asked Lohnro to move this post back to here.
Please leave it alone.
The Man was about to explain things and You cut Him off.
@Nathan.
Yes Please Continue My Friend.
There are a heck of a lot of People here on this Forum that hold You in the Highest Regard.
And I am one of those people My Mate.
Lanky.
Hi Nathan,
If you are still around mate,
please post this method of play.
Cheers
Jakk
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 07, 2009, 06:16:19 PM
I am only playing ONE dominant which happens to be BLACK. Maybe someone might have the idea how this is being hadled the best way.
The odds for any EC repeating itself 6 times in a row is 63-1. Just consider 63-1 . One should know by then when it`s time and somewhat safe to begin betting the dominant.
Nathan Detroit.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
so we walk into the casino in our mind that we are play a dominant even chance for the night o.k I choose ODD. I wait for any of the 7 live tables to spin in 6 odds in a row. now we have ODD as the dominant one we just have to take advantage of the next spins hoping ODD will hit more than even so we can take a profit from the table, and move on to the next.
''getting hotter''
MATTJONO
Well I can see that some one move it back from Brainstorming i don't understand why.
But now I know there is a new rule to the forum policy :thumbsup:
LS
Please post system Mr. Nathan.
Thank you.
My thanks to Victor, Lanky , and Lohnro for resolving this situation. To Lucky Strike you did what you thought was the proper way to do.
So let`s move on.
" EC`s the EZ way ".
Dominant : BLACK ( Or any other EC of preference)
We are beginning by charting a table for R-R-R then bet Black 1 unit . If win stop . If loss, next bet 2 units . If win stop. If loss next bet 2 units. Win or loss stop either way and chart for the next series .
The odds of a fourth RED are 15-1. A fifth RED 31-1. A sixth RED 63-1.
By starting with our bet at the fourth spin which is a 15-1 for RED repeating itself . But why don`t we increase our bet from 2 to 3 units at the 63-1 level if we have lost the previous 2 spins ?
A win with 2 units at the final stage will reduce our loss to just 1 unit while in the event of a total loss of that series instead of a loss of 6 units we are only losing 5 units.
If at any time during the series a 0/00 appears all bets are off and we begin again AFTER our dominant, which in my case happens to be BLACK , reappears and wait again for 3 of the opposite EC. The same MO goes for a triple loss .We wait again for the selected dominant to show and then resume betting after 3 of the opposite EC.
For the long intervals that might occur I have suggested to keep an eye on the action at several available tables.
As an alternative to 3 of opposite EC we could begin betting after 2 .
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Bankroll for ONE session 40 units. Win goal 15- 20 % Loss limit 25 %.
Very Nice mr. Detroit. However, what is your suggestion for RRR-RR-R ?
Cheers
/Compa
Is this how you play?
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Cheers LS
Hello Lucky Strike,
If I read correctly, Nathan Detroit suggested playing only one EC of your choice each time. If you bet on red you will wait for 3 blacks to appear and then bet only on red for a win or maximum 3 loss. Then you wait for a red to appear first then after 3 blacks you start betting on red again.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Thanks Nathan Detroit for your system
Regards
sniper
Okay it is the other way around.
I will test it.
Thanks.
LS
Lucky Strike,
It is exactly a sniper has explained to you.
Thanks sniper.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Compa,
********* However, what is your suggestion for RRR-RR-R ?*******
You mean placing a bet on Black after 6 Reds ? Wouldn`t it be an overkill at 127-1 ?
Let me explain : the original version suggests after 2 or 3 reds . Since this system was recommended by a professional gambler with over 55 years of experience I would leave it at that.
Here find an excerpt from this gentleman in an e-mail to me:Obviously, you still have a great handle on Roulette ...........you ought to throw that approach ( regarding a different system ) out on this board ( his board ) which I did on March 3.2009)
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
200+ spins. strong system but as always in my first test i see no run of 6RED.
i was playing BLACK for this test.
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ND, thanks for sharing this system...will test it shortly, just wandering, what criteria do you use to determine which EC is the DOMINANT?
White Knight,
The dominant is being established BEFORE you enter a casino. I always choose Black as my dominant . It can also be one of the other EC`s like Red, High, Low, Odd , Even. It`s strictly a personal preference.
Once you have this system down pat you could add the other dominant RED to be played at an adjacent table.. But be mindful of the fact to bring along a separate bankroll for RED.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
The tactics remains me on other ECs strategy called Roulette Pro or R56. You wait on any of the 3 EC chances for streak of 5 and then you bet opposite. Eg. 5 reds came then you bet on 6th spin black 1 unit. If you lose your bet bet one more time 2 units on black and when you lose that one also, stop and wait for next trigger. The bankroll is 20 units and when you win 4 or lose 6 units, whichever comes first go home. If zero comes between it stops the run! Eg. if came 5 reds and zero, the zero counts for black and you look for another trigger. There will be plenty of triggers at 100 spins for all 3 EC chances. If you think $50/unit, winner would take you home with $200 easily. It says that it is a winner in long run. Not boring at all. To increase performance play it with partner on 2 or 3 neighborly tables. Precaution! Play it only on live wheels! Tested on thousands of live spins.
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: hermes on June 08, 2009, 11:54:47 PM
The tactics remains me on other ECs strategy called Roulette Pro or R56. You wait on any of the 3 EC chances for streak of 5 and then you bet opposite. Eg. 5 reds came then you bet on 6th spin black 1 unit. If you lose your bet bet one more time 2 units on black and when you lose that one also, stop and wait for next trigger. The bankroll is 20 units and when you win 4 or lose 6 units, whichever comes first go home. If zero comes between it stops the run! Eg. if came 5 reds and zero, the zero counts for black and you look for another trigger. There will be plenty of triggers at 100 spins for all 3 EC chances. If you think $50/unit, winner would take you home with $200 easily. It says that it is a winner in long run. Not boring at all. To increase performance play it with partner on 2 or 3 neighborly tables. Precaution! Play it only on live wheels! Tested on thousands of live spins.
Cheers Hermes
Hermes how many units per 100 spins would it win approximately and you said you think it a long term winner using those rules or yours
Regards Rodney
Quote from: Natural9 link=topic=10093. msg64130#msg64130 date=1244522372
Hermes how many units per 100 spins would it win approximately and you said you think it a long term winner using those rules or yours
Regards Rodney
Rodney,
I found the original thread here. . .
vlsroulette. com/full-systems/ec-system/
Strangely enough, you were the last person to reply to the thread.
Is this correct?
So I try it again.
1 is red and 2 is black.
I stick to black "2" and play red "1".
Then it will look like this:
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One thing that i like very much with this method is that you have your Ante at all times.
Pick one colour and stick to it at all times.
My Ante Your Ante.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on June 08, 2009, 01:05:14 PM
Compa,
********* However, what is your suggestion for RRR-RR-R ?*******
You mean placing a bet on Black after 6 Reds ? Wouldn`t it be an overkill at 127-1 ?
Let me explain : the original version suggests after 2 or 3 reds . Since this system was recommended by a professional gambler with over 55 years of experience I would leave it at that.
Here find an excerpt from this gentleman in an e-mail to me:Obviously, you still have a great handle on Roulette ...........you ought to throw that approach ( regarding a different system ) out on this board ( his board ) which I did on March 3.2009)
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Thank You mr .Detroit!
Cheers
/Compa
Nathan Detroit
Easy straight forward system.
Bankroll for ONE session 40 units. Win goal 15- 20 % Loss limit 25 %. The money management is also clever worked out for this method.
Who is the original designer ?
Regards
MAX
(Thanks for sharing)
MAX.
******Who is the original designer ?******
Check your message box.
Nathan Detroit
HPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: MATTJONO link=topic=10093. msg63956#msg63956 date=1244481180
200+ spins. strong system but as always in my first test I see no run of 6RED.
I was playing BLACK for this test.
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WHAT A PERFECT NUMBERS ))))))))))))))))))))))))
Nathan Detroit
Thanks for your response.
:)
Regards
MAX
it always happens to me when i test systems. before i cut and pasted them numbers to be tested i was thinking ''right red or black '' i chose black and it was a perfect run.
Nathan. if we only had 1 table to play with. Would you suggest playing any 2 or 3 of the even chances using (Bankroll for ONE session 40 units. Win goal 15- 20 % Loss limit 25 %.).
THANKS
Matj.mate,
I won on this strategy 38,5 units in 267 spins last night,plus won 2 more larger units,/as it suits my way of playing,waiting,tracking
other situations on the table/.....Recommend this play,but on all E/C
.....................................................Iboba 8) 8)
Quote from: iboba on June 09, 2009, 03:59:46 PM
Matj.mate,
I won on this strategy 38,5 units in 267 spins last night,plus won 2 more larger units,/as it suits my way of playing,waiting,tracking
other situations on the table/.....Recommend this play,but on all E/C
.....................................................Iboba 8) 8)
Cheers iboba .
and well done with the winnings ill be ready soon to enter the casino (work) :dance1:
Hi Nathan,
Thanks for posting this system.
My question is,
Does it make a difference if you bet both R and B , after the trigger, instead of only the dominant?
eg RRR bet B
BBB bet R ?
Excellent question rss, in my humble opinion, as I was practicing with this method last night, the same question came to me, along with using odd/even, and 1-18 & 19-36 at the same time using the same methods and progression. In this, and in all things, I am "Learning"
Will unswer instead,on 3 E/C simultaneously....Iboba 8)
Hello Nathan Detroit,
Thanks for your system. By the way can I play 3 even chances on the same table? If yes, what should the bankroll be? What about target and stop loss for 3 EC's?
Regards
sniper
hi sniper.
from what I would do and would love to do soon as I can, is take £60 into my local casino and play with 0.50p chips. And then follow the rules :rtfm: (easy enough said than done)
BLACK-- 40 units. Win goal 15- 20 % Loss limit 25 %.
ODD-- 40 units. Win goal 15- 20 % Loss limit 25 %
HIGH-- 40 units. Win goal 15- 20 % Loss limit 25 %
mattjono
Hello MATTJONO,
Thanks my friend. Wish you success in your challenge. I really like your style of getting things done. Your approach is very practical and direct. No venture no gain. It's good to go out there and have a feel, otherwise we will never improve.
Thanks again and BEST OF LUCK.
Regards
sniper
Hi,
After 3 session loses, ie. lose 15units, I think we should lift the bet to 2 units: 2,4,4 ( or 6)
Cheers!
I have been testing it online on play mode and I am pretty impressed. It is over 13 units in profit, and this is on a double zero wheel.
Sniper ,
*******Hello Nathan Detroit,
Thanks for your system. By the way can I play 3 even chances on the same table? If yes, what should the bankroll be? What about target and stop loss for 3 EC's?
Regards
sniper********
Nothing should prevent us from following and betting 3 EC`s on the same table . A separate bankroll of 40 units ( whatever the unit may be .50. $1 $ 5 $25 ) is mandatory for each EC per session. The MM plan requires to play 3 sessions with the objective of winning 2 out of 3 sessions.
The only drawback seems to be that we might find ourselves standing near the table while awaiting the trigger for action.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I would like to add one more word to the win goal:
A win goal does not necessarily mean a " win limit ".If the win goal has been reached add the 15 or 20 % to the original bankroll and keep playing with the EXCESS the same MO until the FIRST loss. You have already GUARANTEED yourself 15- 20%.
If all 3 sessions go down in flames there is always a tomorrow. So don`t worry.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
rss ,
If you are comfortable with alternating either the B or the R then why not.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGSS!!
Quote from: sniper on June 10, 2009, 10:20:23 AM
Hello MATTJONO,
Thanks my friend. Wish you success in your challenge. I really like your style of getting things done. Your approach is very practical and direct. No venture no gain. It's good to go out there and have a feel, otherwise we will never improve.
Thanks again and BEST OF LUCK.
Regards
sniper
thanks sniper. ill let you know how i get on in the future.
matt
Natural, it is in my reply clear: 4 units win or 6 units loss go home. It is not my system or rules I only mention it here as addition to Nathan's ideas.
Cheers Hermes
What are the results from testing. . . good/bad????
A real PRO should recognize a system especially an EC system. Because there is NOTHING to test : If you lose 3 times in a row you get away from the table. If you are winning you add your win goal to the BIG PILE and keep going with the EXCESS until the first loss.
You MUST leave the table if you have reached the pre -determined LOSS LIMIT. Anything else reekes of AMATEURISM .
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I don't think this system will work. RRR is in the past. We know what it is and we did not bet on it.
Now the only think determining if we win on our first bet is do we spin red or black. It's just another 50/50 bet with a lot of waiting
for a trigger that doesn't help us any.
Just my 2 cents.
CarolinaMark
Apparently you do not understand the philosophy behind this method. It is an ODDS based method. So please read the entire thread before jumping to the old cliche : it`s 50/ 50 with the next bet.
It has been explained right from the beginning. . Get up after you have won 4 units or get up if you have lost 6 units. So read FIRST before jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.
Some people are so used of getting everything spoon fed. BEAM ME UP .
THINK !
I'm guessing that you guys are on to something. >:D
If the system is boring to play waiting for the betting opportunity then I would think you would want to track and play all three of the even chances at once at the same table, and if the system has any merit you should be playing all six factors against each other, that is the only way to know if the system works, rather than picking just one (or at least test it that way.)
Here are 450 real spins from real double zeroe wheels. They are 75 continuous spins that I recorded from 6 different wheels, showing the numbers and B/R, O/E, and H/L. The system should be tested for what the betting and results would have been should the chosen ec to bet as per the system be Black, or Red, or Odd, or Even, or High, or Low. There is no reason to play B at one table and watch R at another table. If the total score utilizing all six factors on these spins is positive, then it's a good system.
(John Patrick is the "professional gambler" who always says to stop after losing 3 bets. I have read his books and seen his videos and my only comment about him is, he's pretty good at selling books and vids.)
Hi Nathan - who designed this system? I'd be interested in reading his book you mentioned.
wiggy
I just send you a PM
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Hi Nathan
I too would be interested in reading more about this way of playing. If you would be kind enough to point me in the right direction I would be soooooo grateful. :good:
Thank you.
simon,
Playing ALL 3 of the EC meaning keeping track as well as action of B/R H/L O/E keeps you more than busy at the table.It`s mind boggling.
In ADDITION : To play Black and Red at the same table I have nor problem sincethey are alternating exacctly with one pocket between them. But on the 0/00 wheel there are always 2 pockets between High and Low or Odd and Even.
It`s no longer BRBRBB etc. but HHLLHHLLHHLL or OOEEOOEEOOEE . Gives me an enireky different perspective and this is what has held me back on those two EC.
I did it once with another method called intermediate equaliztion of even chances ( IEEC) and the next day my head was still spinning .
Then one must consider the bankroll requirements. Identical bankrolls for EACH one of the EC
One more item , I am not a professional gambler and therefore do not derive any income from gambling. Mr. Patrick`s methods suit me fine. I am playing with strict discipline, proper bamkroll etc . and at all times I am aware of the fact that I am in an entertainment environment and holding down losses .
Doesn`t it feel ROTTEN driving home with a heavy loss under your belly just trying the win the worst way and losing at the same time???
The answer as to why stop after 3 losses in a row is found right here in this entire thread when we ANTICIPATE that after 3 Reds by CONSIDERING the odds that there could be a change into the other direction.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
bali,
I have send a PM.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Hi Detroit,
Would you please send me the document?
Best regards,
Dinh
No it's not mind boggling,Nathan,
it's very easy tracking all 3 e/c and at the
same time,tracking other betting possibilities,
which I do when playing this..........Iboba
Iboba,
I shall look into this . This way I can sit at the table. However what I was referring to was when I did another method called " Intermediate Equalizaton of Even Chances". This was mind boggling.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
geniusly,
What I want you to do is to read ALL posts of this thread right from the beginning . This system will hold your losses down and if you encounter some losses they could easily be recovered in subsequent sessions.
For ONE dominant you will require atleast 30 units per session and you should attempt to win 2 out of 3 sessions.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Thank you Nathan, much appreciated. :good:
geniusly,
If you notice that it works for you with the lowest table minimum then I can only say : If you want to win more then bring more.
All table games do not feature a jackpot. It`s hard work.
For instance : 10-20-20 or 25 - 50-50 or 50- 100-100 ( If they let you or it`s within their table outside Maximum). Don`t ever forget those casino cats do have their own loss limit. All those amount conform to the basic idea of 1-2-2.
You might ask why not 1-2-3 . To keep losses down and if the last one is a win with 2 in then you are only down by 50 % of that series . If all 3 go down it softens the blow. >:(
Nathan Detroi
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Am I the only one not to see system there?
geniusly,
First of all we don`t play by the nite or hour. We play by the win goal or loss limit. Bringing Euro 10,000 to the casino entitles the smart player to consider a win goal ( NOT win limit ) of 5% yes 500 Euros.
The greater the bankroll , the lower the win goal.
That`s for the smart cats. NO SWEAT !!! You do this 20 times a month will give a net of 120,000 anually. NO danger to the bankroll.
Remember I said SMART cats NOT greedy cats.
Nathan Detroit.
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
ced82,
Go to post # 24.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
this system loses quickly and continually betting either color on my real spins. but hey that was just the first 75 spins I tested. maybe the O/E's and H/L's will do better. this definitely is no holy grail. (especially if it was designed by John Patrick-- he's a good talker but not much for designing roulette systems.)
That`s your opinion. You talk about 75 spins but not 75 OPPORTUNITIES. Quite a difference between the two.
The instructions for this system are to stop the session after 3 losses in a row or if you have reached the loss limit.
This is considered discipline.
Same goes for winnings. If the win goal has been reached then one keeps playing until the first or second loss. Then leave the table and prepare yourself for the second session.
Don`t blame anyone for your lack of discipline which is of vital importance especially in a B & M casino.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
I have tried this system over and over, and it doesn't work. :nono:
Christopher ,
You saw my explanation I have given above. You are an intelligent person and should know that this method is strictly based upon ODDS . Nothing else. At post # 24 is a detailed discription how it should be approached.
Try it at a live table and those casino cats won`t know what to do with you. I did play this several years ago but they PB were not too happy with me.
Since one could not sit at the table playing in this manner I was compelled to stand around a lot waiting for the right opportunity. I had picked only one dominant at that time and still do today: BLACK.
Check it against the live results at the Wiesbaden casino daily from 9 Am - 9 PM EDST .
I actually give a rat`s tail how anyone plays in a casino and makes money or not as long as they are happy with whatever they are doing. :yahoo:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
"I actually give a rat`s tail..."
... yep, definitely a John Patrick groupie, that's what JP always says...
"Try it at a live table and those casino cats won`t know what to do with you. I did play this several years ago but they PB were not too happy with me."
............ oh that's rich, that's a good one... come down to my casino... let's see how "upset" they get with you because you're winning too much with your been there/done that 20 years ago little system...
...... stop now, come back later... you really think it makes a difference?
The odds of a fourth RED are 15-1. A fifth RED 31-1. A sixth RED 63-1.
KFS proved beyond a shadow of the doubt that the above is incorrect. Even if you had five of any EC in a row, the odds of number six are exactly the same: 48.65% The above is only true if you could go back in time to before the first bet and then make the statement. Jumping in after the consecutive ECs have spun is not the same. Remember, it's a whole new world every spin.
Or is it?
Sam
ofcourse it's the same odds every spin.
I guess we will not be able to quit our day jobs after all. bummer.
unless maybe you could build us a time machine Sam?
(but not really necessary to have a time machine, you can just bet that the next 4, 5, or 6 spins won't be all red, but that's a whole other system for a whole other thread....)
Tracking all 3 EC's is something I like to play around with every now and again. Keeping track of all three at a FAST pace can sometimes be difficult. That was the reason I had a tracker made for it.
You can download it here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=402 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=402)
Visually...it makes it VERY easy.
rjeaton1
Thanks for the link.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: hot vegas night on July 18, 2009, 09:15:31 PM
I have tried this system over and over, and it doesn't work. :nono:
I have done more testing. This should be renamed "the ultimate failure"
It is apparent that the thread has run it`s course. I am glad to answer any pertinent questions via PM.
Thanks for your interest and comments including the ones from the MINOR league.
To all of you who are showing preference to COMMON SENSE without the blessings of the MATH BOYZZZ may your winnings be especially HAPPY.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Just thought I would jump in and say im 100% sure that Nathan Detroit has won more money than he has lost with this system.
he has shown us the loss limit and the win goal which is smartly set up and if we stick with this and have lots of patiance im sure we could all get to a point when we have lost just 1 session out of 10 sessions, then again we could lose 5 sessions in a row but from my point of view you carnt knock it until you have tried and tested it ''properly''.
cheers,
mattjono
Nathan
I will give you credit for this: You actually posted some rules and not just an eternal barrage of hints!
While I may be in the "junior league", I can promise you that I have tested all these EC systems more than I care to remember. And there are many
Here's a quote and the red is mine:
We are beginning by charting a table for R-R-R then bet Black 1 unit . If win stop . If loss, next bet 2 units . If win stop. If loss next bet 2 units. Win or loss stop either way and chart for the next series .
Let's see.....we bet 1 unit, then 2 and then 2. Wouldn't that be 5 units for a losing session? Now, to recoup that loss you must win either the first or second leg five times in a row before hitting a looser again.
You may do this a few times, but you're counting on a "hit and run" methodology to keep you in the black and "hit and run" simply does not work. Why? Because the spins you see are "your" spins. It matters not if you see 5,000 spins in one trot or 1,000 spins in five trots or 100 spins in fifty trots. The zero will still occur 2.7% of the time for YOU.
Before you bet anything but pennies on this, you should all go and read KFS's booklet on odds and math. Many subscribe to this erroneous way of thinking and KFS politely explained how it will get you no where except broke.
Sam
You wrong my dear 2CS,
ESPECIALLY IF YOU DO IT R,R,R,R,----1,2,-----,
but either it wins,in casino LIDO Venice/and some other
europian casinos/where E/C stay inprisioned,therefore
zero doesn't eats you.Viva Venice and Barcelona
and the prison things...............Iboba
Mr. Iboba ,
Sir,
In Atlantic City , NJ there is le partage in effect on all 0/00 roulette wheels whereby one only loses half the wagered amount .
Those are the written rules for 0/00 wheels within the Atlantic City gaming jurisdiction .l
Not so for the single 0 wheel where one loses the full amount with their rather steep $ 25.00 minimum bets .
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Mr. Iboba
if you wait for R R R R and then bet 1 (loose) and then 2...........all you're doing is a Martingale. A two-step Martingale. The four even chances are history, whatever they might have been. It's all the same as waiting for R B R B and then betting the wheel won't repeat it with R B R B. I can assure you it will!
Believe me, I wish what you people were saying was the truth, but it simply isn't. Anyone could program this into Rx and run a few thousands Spielbank spins through it and you would know.
Good grief! If this were true, it would be the much sought-after "Holy Grail".
It's been good debating with you guys. No name calling. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Sam
I have tested and tested this system to death. This has to be one of the worst results I have seen. I would be better off using Jbrockbetting's single zero martingale system over this one. :nono:
Quote from: hot vegas night on July 20, 2009, 06:17:42 PM
I have tested and tested this system to death. This has to be one of the worst results I have seen. I would be better off using Jbrockbetting's single zero martingale system over this one. :nono:
Well of course you would say that, Hot Vegas Night... After all you and JBrockbetting are one and the same person, aren't you?
Atlantis.
Nothing works with or for woman.
That's the fact...........Iboba
H.V.N.---for you
geniusly,
*****20times a month?
why not 30 times a month?
why not 100 times in a month?*****
I am very serious. No beating around the bush and I am keeping this simple . Not according to the usual norm: Stupid Question-----Stupid answer .!
Going to a casino five times a week is about the normal routine to do when you live within an area close by . It`s another matter if travel to and from a casino is involved.
This is a straight forward reply for a serious subject and let`s leave it as such.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
Just adhere to the recommended loss limit and win goal which was given for the 10,000 Euros and you shall come out ahead. There is NEVER , EVER a GUARANTEE given for a game of chance.
If you expect this then you are barking up the wrong tree .
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on July 22, 2009, 08:17:55 AM
geniusly,
*****20times a month?
why not 30 times a month?
why not 100 times in a month?*****
I am very serious. No beating around the bush and I am keeping this simple . Not according to the usual norm: Stupid Question-----Stupid answer .!
Going to a casino five times a week is about the normal routine to do when you live within an area close by . It`s another matter if travel to and from a casino is involved.
This is a straight forward reply for a serious subject and let`s leave it as such.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
Just adhere to the recommended loss limit and win goal which was given for the 10,000 Euros and you shall come out ahead. There is NEVER , EVER a GUARANTEE given for a game of chance.
If you expect this then you are barking up the wrong tree .
Actually, why don't you just give the 10,000 euros to me instead of the casino? :girl_wacko:
You can download the RXtreme coding for this here: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=413 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=413)
It makes your starting BR 40 units and then stops either on a loss of 10 units (25% of starting BR) or a win of 8 units (20% of starting BR)