hi people...
I was very sad from ur attitude ,but when I did a research of all the forum here I saw that some people tryed to scam u and sell u systems for money.....
now I understand why u were so cusious and scared....
I am really sorry...I also saw that u are a very conected cominity and u try to healp eatch other....
it would be my honor to be welcomed here!
I also promised to people that belived in me that I would tell them my system....
so people relax and enjoy my system...it is exposed now to u....RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
I also told u that I am not a scam and I would never asked money from u (witch I never asked money from u)if someone makes a lot of money from a system,why to ask for more money????
I am releasing u my system and the only thing I want as a reward are 3 things!
1st every time that u leave from casino with your earned money say a little "thanks" inside your brain from me...
2nd DO NOT tell this system to all the world ,couse it would be very bad to us all!!(I hope u understand)
3rd I want every time that u are back from the casino to write in this forum about how u did!!!
listen very cearfully the diractions and NEVER do anything to change anything to the system...every litlle change can cost u a loss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
in other words follow the directions e.x.a.c.t.l.y!!!!!!
please give me a responce if u all saw this message and as soon as I will see that u are here and watching I will imediatly start to explain you the system
don t be afraid of me...I am a nice gye....u will see
anything that u will not understand from the directions I will be here for u to explain u everything...
I also will try to explain as much clear as I can ,couse its a little complicated ,couse a lot of factores are included!!!like the dealers signature and the trigger and the right
"progressions"
remember do not be afraid of the progression couse the bank roll u will need is only 70 chips.
please becouse my mother language is not eanlish,try to speak to my with simple words and not complicated expresions(in ordet to have a better comunication)
I also want to mention that yestarday night I went to the casino and win 1100 euros(the best win I have ever had!!!!)
then when I desided to leave I gave to an old man my papper of predition numbers(couse he had lost a lot of money with his system and he was ready to explode and cry).and the poor man didnt listen to me and he was ready to explode twice couse in the next 6 spins 3 of my numbers came up!!!!!!and couse u bet strait he would have earn 105 chips and lost only
28 chips...so an 77 chips earning I think would be very good!!!!385 euros/dollars
Hi Viper5,
Please go ahead and explain your system, and thanks for sharing.
Bring it on viper5 we are all ears!!
TSK
Viper5
Yes please, cant wait to try it,
Regards,
Alf
Gday Viper5,
Looking forward to hear from you and thank for sharing...
Hi Viper5,
You have my complete attention and am ready and waiting.
Thank you for sharing your system with all of us!
Bali
Hi again Viper5
I'm all ears :)
gtz
sounds interesting, im always willing to learn, shame im a little slow though lol. bring it on viper!! :)
Hello Viper5,
Thanks for willing to share your system. We are always ready to learn new things.
Regards
sniper
Viper
Apology accepted. Let's see what you have.
Sam
Hi Viper
Yes there were problems and deceptions on this forum so now members do very careful with systems.
We listen to you
Well Viper, let's see what you have. As this is "Full Systems" section, I suggest you do post your system on your next post ;) Many Thanks in advance for complying.
Regards.
Your friendly forum admin,
Victor
i am composing the things and rules i am going to say ,couse it is complicated...i promise very soon to apply....
please to make it more easy for u tell me how i can insert pictures in the forum.....
:-* :-* :-*All ears&eyes...iboba
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 11:15:25 AM
I am composing the things and rules I am going to say ,couse it is complicated...I promise very soon to apply....
please to make it more easy for u tell me how I can insert pictures in the forum.....
Much pleased to hear this Viper, I for sure would love for you to build yourself a reputation for a true gentlemen and system creator "at large" at this community :thumbsup:
We embrace brilliant ideas and we are totally looking forward to reading your system's text. Testers and readers alike I'm sure might help, and -who knows- you may get some valuable feedback to make it even better.
Regarding inserting images, it is easy:
You "Attach them" at post page and use
[attachimg=#] tag where you want actual image to appear. Forum will replace each tag by attached image. Better explained at this thread from reference area:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/inserting-images-in-your-post/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/inserting-images-in-your-post/)
Regards and glad to see you are here again with this very positive attitude, way to go. :)
Kudos to you.
Victor
thank u all for the nice welcome!!!!
so lets get started.....
because there are a lot of factors that must be explained and i dont want to keep u waitting,i will explain and post the system into
several messages and not in 1.......
sorry for that but i am doing it for the best!!!but in the end u will make your conclusion very well....
1s of all i want to tell u that i have already improved my system(of cource if any opinion for making it eaven better,would be nice,but i think it is all the way complited!!! and i think this is the best for u)
the way of playing it in more than 1 tables is more safe but it requaires bigger bank roll!!!!140 chips/700euro/dollars(here in greece the minimum chip stake is 5 euros)
don t worry,it is nor very complicated to play it,it is very complicated to explain it
i will give u and real time events /numbers from my seesons to explain better...
sorry for my bad english.....
i am composing now the next meggage witch is explained the system
Way to man up. :)
You now have my sincerest apologies as well.
Take your time.
We all are here to learn and teach as well.
Thank you Viper 5
oh I have to say that the only way to win the roulette is in real casinos and noit in online.......(u know why)so the system is only for real casinos
here it comes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
first of all I would like to say that the only way to win the monster roulette(u will see next that it is not a monster,but a gold minner if u know what to play!)is by find the week spot(hot numbers)couse mathimatical and possibilities are all in her side!!!!!
lots of players (and I have seen this in this site too)are confused in the situation of what is really the right thing:
the bias of the weel
or the dealers signature...
I will say to u now to relise u from this delima,that the signature of the dealer is the right!(all the conclusions are made with 7 months by visiting casinos 5 days per week and at least 3 hours observing,on average 6 hours!!!!)
so in the same weel,when the dealer was changed the hot numbers were deferent!!!(were changing too!!!!AND BELIAVE ME,THE HOT NUMBERS ARE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!this is ur power!!!!
so the firsts step is to find the right dealer!!!!dont worry!!!everything will be explaind!!!!
I now am playing always with the same dealers couse they can be "read" very accourate!!!(when u start puting my system into acction u must find the right dealers too)they are ur gold miners and not the weel!
so how to chose the right dealer?????
the dealer must thow(relise)the ball steady and SLOW!!!!!slow is the more important!!!!
I prefer women dealers (althow I have find a man who I earned yestarday all that cash,so from now on he is into my LIST TOO....LOL!!!)
everything understood ??????
I am waighting for responce or answers to continue.....
Up to this,
I am also with you. I play exactly the same way as yours. Keep explaining.
Ah, so you're a DS player eh? :thumbsup:
Keep winning!
All the best,
Marven
so lets explain to u exactly the situation step by step!
u go in the casino,u order a drink lol.and u start observing the dealers.....
when u will find the right one(steady and slow thrower)u sit in the table and ask him or someone player how long the dealer is playing in thos table....
if they tells u enough hour ,you ask of how many spins he had spin and u oserve the "board" that tells u the numbers....
then u must do this:
STEP 2:
take a papper card from the table(here in greece they have)that shows u the weels number as they appiar on the weel!!!!if they don t print one from net
and start marking the numbers on it!!!!!
u must mark at least 20 spins.....
if a number has come twice of third or more times(this is very good to happen)u mark on the mark privious mark the number of the times that has come...eg.2 or 3 or 4
so u wait this fenomeno to happen!!!!only if this happen u start betting!!!!!
u waight until 3-8 numbers come in a row of the weel.....i mean 3-8 numbers that are the 1 next to the other....eaven if only 1-2 gaps are included u don t care....
the impotrant think is to observe that every 2-9 spins(couse u have the advantage of progresion) the ball is landing in your "bow"(bow is the next numbers)
u will be amazed that if the dealer is "good" every 3 spins the most, will land the ball in your "bow"......
the other important rule is that u set the trigger only if at least one of the numbers in the bow( your preference must be at the centered numbers)has came up at least 2 times....
so this is your gold miner NOW>>>>>
start betting on this bow(with straight numbers or with splits-roads-corners)and do the right progressions...(i hope u all know the right progrations,if u don t i am here to explain u)
some times the "bows" maby will be 2-3.....
do not hesitate to bet there.....onlu if there are repeated numbers and every 3 spins the ball is landing in your bow!!!!!
yestarday i wan in 3 tables....2 tables with 1 bow and the 1 with 2 bows......
understud?????
any questions?????
what is DS player??///
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 01:03:51 PM
what is DS player??///
Viper,
DS is an abbreviation for 'Dealer Signature'. ;)
Regards,
Marven
thank u!!!!
i must say to u that i only bet straight numbers....
if there is any question shoot!!!!
i played this system 9 times......with real money(with no beting countless times)
i am wining till now 2700 euros....till now no loss......
but eaven if i lose i will lose the lost 700 euros
so i think this is the ONE
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 01:02:39 PM
so lets explain to u exactly the situation step by step!
u go in the casino,u order a drink lol.and u start observing the dealers.....
when u will find the right one(steady and slow thrower)u sit in the table and ask him or someone player how long the dealer is playing in thos table....
if they tells u enough hour ,you ask of how many spins he had spin and u oserve the "board" that tells u the numbers....
then u must do this:
STEP 2:
take a papper card from the table(here in greece they have)that shows u the weels number as they appiar on the weel!!!!if they don t print one from net
and start marking the numbers on it!!!!!
u must mark at least 20 spins.....
if a number has come twice of third or more times(this is very good to happen)u mark on the mark privious mark the number of the times that has come...eg.2 or 3 or 4
so u wait this fenomeno to happen!!!!only if this happen u start betting!!!!!
u waight until 3-8 numbers come in a row of the weel.....I mean 3-8 numbers that are the 1 next to the other....eaven if only 1-2 gaps are included u don t care....
the impotrant think is to observe that every 2-9 spins(couse u have the advantage of progresion) the ball is landing in your "bow"(bow is the next numbers)
u will be amazed that if the dealer is "good" every 3 spins the most, will land the ball in your "bow"......
the other important rule is that u set the trigger only if at least one of the numbers in the bow( your preference must be at the centered numbers)has came up at least 2 times....
so this is your gold miner NOW>>>>>
start betting on this bow(with straight numbers or with splits-roads-corners)and do the right progressions...(I hope u all know the right progrations,if u don t I am here to explain u)
some times the "bows" maby will be 2-3.....
do not hesitate to bet there.....onlu if there are repeated numbers and every 3 spins the ball is landing in your bow!!!!!
yestarday I wan in 3 tables....2 tables with 1 bow and the 1 with 2 bows......
understud?????
any questions?????
Does anybody know what the above means??
Thanks for posting Viper, i have 2 questions
1) How do you know what your bow is??
2) Do you have a brother called Waaahome?
;)
u know that this is you bow couse u will see that the most spins land on it!!!!!!
and what did u meen by the "brother"""???
i told u i dont know the englich expresions exept if u meen somehing else....
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this was the yesterdays bow
i hope this helps
when i desited to leave the table....i gave the sad old man this papper
and i told his that i advised him to bet in this bow couse the 7 of the 10 spins was in it....
he didn t bet couse he was afraid
and when i came to the table back after 10 minutes,,,,,i saw on the board the numbers 16 and 33.33(2 times)>>>>>>
if i would stay more i would have hit 3 more numbers.....
but i didn t care couse the cash i already had was big enough......
do not over do it.........
suggestion
when u win 40 chips go away!!!!!!
u know that every system is not perfect!!!!!
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 01:27:36 PM
u know that this is you bow couse u will see that the most spins land on it!!!!!!
and what did u meen by the "brother"""???
I told u I dont know the englich expresions exept if u meen somehing else....
thanks i think i know what your doing now :)
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this was the other 2 tables bows!!!!!
the one with the 2 bows .....every 1 spin i was a winner,only one time came in the 2 nd and 1 in the third!!!!!!
any question???????
explain me please the thing with the brother?????
Viper,
Do you track your BOWS simultaneously or you move to another table after winning on the previous one???Iboba
i didn t undenstand exactly what u asked ,but
when i find the bow i keep betting on it till the dealer change....
if he change i am reading the now one,or i move to another table that
the other dealer is alrady playing and i read heim from the nombers on the screen
i hope i answered
understood,thanks ::)
so what do u people think????
Hi Viper,
Remember me from the msn chat?
Yes...regarding your "brother" question...
waaahome is another member in this forum. English is also not his main language, so he has some trouble explaining his system.
So, they ask you " are you his brother"??
It is a joke...because both of you don't use English as your main language...
Thanks again for you system!
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
thanks for the explana ;tion bro! ;D
i want to hear what MATTIJONO have to say.... 8)
Tryed with some recorded spins and seems to go well for now, need more testing and the right dealer / wheel i think :D
Many thx for posting your experience Viper.
thanx for the observation and for the tests friend....
i told u it is good.....
go in a real casino and watch the system from real dealers
when u feel ready ...play it!!!!!
lot of cash!!!!
Automated live wheel can have DS too ?
Air compressor signature :P
Try with my recorded spins from smart live casino :D
Is impossible, is only lucky i think and the spins are not enough ::)
Need to test with real dealer.
no my friend dont observe with online casinos....eaven with real dealers....there are all fake>>.....
only in land casinos
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT
Hi Viper,
Thanks for the system...
It is a simple and easy to use Dealer Signature system to play with.
I think the key to this system is finding the "right" dealer...
Thanks for sharing.
Good luck to all.
Regards,
NoBody ^.^
Hey viper, nice to see you post the system :thumbsup:
I had diferen't picture about you, proobably because of similarity to user "vito5"..
Sorry for bad words said against you..
cya
well done my friend!!!!
I told u!!!
tell me something ....
this casino is online with dealer????
and now is the time to stop!!!!
enough money for today.,.....
please people here....do not tell about this system to anyone else.....
I risked a lot by exposing it.....
i also just came from casino....
3 tables 450 euro.....
Yes Viper online live dealer
Another 2 spins and I have won another £42(same dealer)
Ok enough now
And Im sure our lips are sealed ....thanks again :-X
The Spiders Kiss
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 11:40:52 AM
thank u all for the nice welcome!!!!
so lets get started.....
because there are a lot of factors that must be explained and I dont want to keep u waitting,I will explain and post the system into
several messages and not in 1.......
sorry for that but I am doing it for the best!!!but in the end u will make your conclusion very well....
1s of all I want to tell u that I have already improved my system(of cource if any opinion for making it eaven better,would be nice,but I think it is all the way complited!!! and I think this is the best for u)
the way of playing it in more than 1 tables is more safe but it requaires bigger bank roll!!!!140 chips/700euro/dollars(here in greece the minimum chip stake is 5 euros)
don t worry,it is nor very complicated to play it,it is very complicated to explain it
I will give u and real time events /numbers from my seesons to explain better...
sorry for my bad english.....
I am composing now the next meggage witch is explained the system
Those with small BR can play $1 chips online should be ok.Not everyone can play $5 a chip might be too high for some people
@ Jerek
I am using £1 chips mate
TSK
spider
how many spins befor u find the 1st bow????
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on March 21, 2009, 06:41:52 PM
@ Jerek
I am using £1 chips mate
The Spiders Kiss
real $ or fun $?
@jerek
Im using real money mate
@viper
I always wait at least 20 spins as you said.
TSK
well done!!!
one more question.....
the 2 -3 bows u were betting at the same spin to all bows????
only 2 bows....
Yes when another bow showed I bet that one too...wasnt that the correct thing to do ??
TSK
What is the maximum numbers we can have in a bow
Regards Rodney
well done!!!!!!
u perfectly undersood it!!!!!!!
i am happy for u....
this my friend depends of ur bank roll
Just watching now and I have a bow of five with the number 10 in the middle.The dealer has hit it 7 times!!! Lol
TSK
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 06:52:06 PM
this my friend depends of ur bank roll
Quote from: Natural9 on March 21, 2009, 06:50:47 PM
What is the maximum numbers we can have in a bow
Regards Rodney
Bankroll what do you mean?
thats it my friend!!!!
u totaly caught the dealers signature!!!!!!
play tomorrow spider........
just see wen the dealer changed that other bows will appear
please again do not tell anyone!!!!!
i am telling that to everybody
i mean how much money u want to bet
more bet more progression
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 07:03:08 PM
I mean how much money u want to bet
more bet more progression
Iam still lost 8) ???
Am I the only one to not understand the system? :o
I didn't understand well this term of "bow"
Concretly, what I must do when I have my 20 numbers???
Example of dublinbet
33
6
19
0
29
14
24
27
26
28
20
30
17
11
0
10
3
14
4
31
So what I bet now and how?
Help please!
wait a minuit to show u exactlly!!!!!
i will show it with picture too
Just another question Viper if you not mind
You original post mentions pickingthe right dealer knowing my luck id pick the wrong one ;D but if after tracking 20spins it should be obvious that there would be a signature there by where the ball landsmaking being in a bow and generally same sector of the wheel
Am I correct there
Regards Rodney
(//)
this are your bows but it is not safe to bet couse the dealer wan t steady!!!!!
avoid it
the bows must be a little strong
natural i didn t understood
try simpier words
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 07:18:08 PM
natural I didn t understood
try simpier words
Ok viper one question at a time
How does one determine a goode dealer must the 20 spins be hitting consistantly in the same area (bow) would it be like 1 in 3 spins hitting
in the 20 spins u must see that 1 or 2 bows are the strongest
and the numbers hited must not be spread all around the weel
ok?????
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 07:16:41 PM
(//)
this are your bows but it is not safe to bet couse the dealer wan t steady!!!!!
avoid it
the bows must be a little strong
Before to leave, I just noticed the 2 numbers after my 20 I marked and bingo! 0 et 9 arrived
How do you establish the bows?
I read many times your explanation but I don't undertand well
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 07:25:14 PM
in the 20 spins u must see that 1 or 2 bows are the strongest
and the numbers hited must not be spread all around the weel
ok?????
Ok I think I got you now
Quote from: ced82 on March 21, 2009, 07:05:23 PM
Am I the only one to not understand the system? :o
I didn't understand well this term of "bow"
Concretly, what I must do when I have my 20 numbers???
Example of dublinbet
33
6
19
0
29
14
24
27
26
28
20
30
17
11
0
10
3
14
4
31
So what I bet now and how?
Help please!
0.26.3 would be a bow I think have you more numbers from that session 0 is yuor middle number you can bet 2 numbers either side of it or maybe just the three numbers is this correct Viper
no it is not completely right and that would couse u a loss....
both bows are strong and as u saw the winning nombers were in the down bow....
but couse the numbers of ur bow are less and u have more progression it is possible to win to
but u must cover all choses...just like spider did
Quote from: viper5 on March 21, 2009, 08:02:37 PM
no it is not completely right and that would couse u a loss....
both bows are strong and as u saw the winning nombers were in the down bow....
but couse the numbers of ur bow are less and u have more progression it is possible to win to
but u must cover all choses...just like spider did
Viper explain if these numbers are bettable if there sufficiant DS to bet with them
i didn t understood...tell again!
the sample of numbers above how owuld you play them
i already show how to play my friend with the picture....and the next 2 numbers would have won
VIper, just dont reply this "Dont tell anyone"
Its a sign of paranoia and its not good
All the best and take it easy
I mean dont repeat "Dont tell anyone"
my friend u have not understood yet what weapon i have given u
it is very bad to be wide known!!!
imagine then the casinos to change the dealer every 20 spins!!!
bam!!! the system gone.....
or they can do other things....
there are billion money operations....
so it is not parania.....it is a logoc conclusion
although i will not write it again.....
i am just trying to protect a system that i have found myself and gives me a lot of money....
and now will give u too.....
so sorry about that but i am thinking all the parameters......
Hi Viper5,
Thanks for sharing your system.You are right is not good to talk too much about it the casinos can change their rules to protect them, also casinos maybe monitoring the roulette boards often ....who knows.
In essence the system makes tracks of the HOT SECTORS to bet on them after 20 spins.
We can have 2 sectors of 5 and 7 numbers each for example.
You recommend betting on 2 unbalance sectors like 3 and 9 numbers or is better 2 sectors that are equal in numbers like 2 sectors of 5 numbers each if the conditions tell us this??
So we use different progressions according to the amount numbers to bet - maybe the ideal no more than 12 numbers.
Cheers, :D
JLP.-
Hi,
thx very much for sharing this viper5.
I have a question about the progression u use. Is it based upon the total numbers u bet or does it has to do something with the hight of you're bankroll?
gtz skrizy
MY QUESTION IS DOES IT MATTER VIPER5 IF THE DEALER THROWS THE BALL CLOCK WISE AND THE COUNTER CLOCK WIS THANK FOR SHARING YOUR IDEA TINO.
Hi
For ease of tracking download KFS W0-ALERT!er v1.11 By Kon-Fu-Sed in the members download section (link below) :thumbsup:
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hey Viper, thanks for sharing this system!
I was wondering, after 20 or so spins and we find a bow or more than one bow to bet on, after we start betting on these bows, and another new bow develops, do we also add this new bow, or do we just stay with the initial bows that we were betting on? also if you wouldnt mind, could you give some examples of situations that you would not bet because the bow is too weak?
i will try to answer bto all questions....
please if i forgot someone answer again....
1st the bows must not eaven if itis 1 or 2 or 3(never mor than 3) must have all together 11 numbers the most...couse if there are moro ,no progression can be made....
2nd the progressions(meaning the oportunities u have to hit your numbers)depents of your bank roll...so if u dont have much money u wait until a bow or 2 are very strong and u bet on them with no more than 6 numbers....
3d the bow is strong when several hitings are on it....espesially in the center....
;) Hi Viper,
I have to appologise to you as well. Thought you were the same guy as Vito.....trying to sell stuff.
Sorry about that and thanks for posting and sharing you system.
Cheers
Jakk
i just went on dublinbet and watching the game....
when i read the ds i write down to a paper the 2 bows i found....every bow 4 numbers
in the next 8 spins if i was plaing with money i would have won the 6 spins......
not bad e?????
FOR HOW LONG DO YOU PLAY THOSE BOWS VIPER REGARDS TINO
i don t know if was clear???
i don t mean that t would have won in the 6th spin
i mean i would have won and the 6 spins....
so 6 spins win
2 spin lose.....
i have already write this....
for 7 months 5 times per week
2000 spins average
i am living now i am going to the casino
i will inform u at night....
OK THATS CLEAR THANKS
Quote from: Klinker on March 21, 2009, 01:23:10 PM
Does anybody know what the above means??
Thanks for posting Viper, I have 2 questions
1) How do you know what your bow is??
2) Do you have a brother called Waaahome?
;)
Hello!
Funny on this : " brother waaahome" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I know what this guy is feeling becouse i tryed to explain something and i didn't do it very well.
............ Its like you spend so much time to try to EXPLAIN IT like me .........and for what??????
....and when a question seeds to be answered it's like ................how the hell do i explain it not to CONFUSE any one.........
Im' always here reading i have not left anywhere..........
i will explain THE GRAMPS again .... from scratch..... but i whant to do it with VIDEO and PICTURES....
and than u all will get it...............
Any ways ............
Great System Man i will try it soon.........
Your Brother, Waaahome.LOL........
Hi,
So to make a little conclusion (correct me if i'm wrong plz):
1) we look for a slow steady dealer.
2) We track down 20 numbers and look for sectors that hit more then regular.
3) we bet those bows (sectors) never more than 3 and max 11 numbers.
4) we use a progression that is based on the bankroll used.
5) when the dealer changes we start over again.
Correct?
Could u give us an example of the progression used for a bankroll of 70 units (1 pound/unit) for bets made on 6,7,8,9,10 and 11 numbers?
a big thank you in advance!
Kind regards,
Skrizy.
Viper how many numbers do you bet in average most of the time? Do you use progression? If yes what kind. It will be good if you make a small example. Put the spin numbers down and show how you chose that numbers to play.
I have many Greek friends and visited Greece from Patra to Thessaloniki. Some friends in Corfu, too. I like Greek food.
Thanks Hermes
hi viper thanks for sharing, and this approch to playing roulette I like alot I have looked at this in the past (finding hot sections of the wheel) however when I tracked the numbers I mark the 2 neighbouring numbers so after 20 spins I would have 100 marks on my layout tracker, it just seems to give me a bigger piture of the bows.
have a look if you want it could help somehow.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-physics/finding-the-hot-sections-of-the-wheel/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-physics/finding-the-hot-sections-of-the-wheel/)
mattjono
Viper,
How do you qualify a "slow" dealer?
When I first tarted to play this game I was trying to figure out some sort of DS. I would count the number of times the ball would circle the wheel before falling down. This would vary a great deal. From 8 times, if I remember well, to an astounding 20 times!
Has anybody considered that? What would you consider slow enough to play?
Thanks
Insidebet
For my little experience from 8 to 12 is considered slow.
I have see in some online casinos the players spam the chat when the dealer spin the ball too fast :) A lot of insult following every too faster spin :D
Attached is a drawing using some numbers spun by Demet from here nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/dublinbet-actuals/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/dublinbet-actuals/) all the dots in balck are the 20 recorded and the dots in blue are what came after.
Can I ask Viper if I got the bows correct?
Thanks,
K1
This is Virginia's spins and amazingly enough just after spin 20 the next 3 numbers were 2,2,3
:)
hello friends!!!!
i am glad the most of u have andertund it and u see that is happening.....
when u say virginia s spin.....is it an onlyne casino????
tell me please the name of it
Quote from: viper5 on March 22, 2009, 07:04:44 PM
hello friends!!!!
I am glad the most of u have andertund it and u see that is happening.....
when u say virginia s spin.....is it an onlyne casino????
tell me please the name of it
Its Dublinbet..
And here is Gosia's (notice im picking females) ..this one is far the best after 20 the numbers were 21 13 31 0 9 10 7 31 15 27 5 23 17 17
7 hits in a row betting on 16 numbers @ €5 a number would be €700!!
K1
i am very glad!!!!!
LISTEN VERY CAEARFULYLISTEN VERY CAEARFULYLISTEN VERY CAEARFULY
LISTEN VERY CAEARFULYLISTEN VERY CAEARFULYLISTEN VERY CAEARFULY
LISTEN VERY CAEARFULY
i know that u love me for showng this to u.....and i know u know that i did this to help u!!!!so i will do that too.......
listen what i have to say.........................................................
stop posting messages of wining
if this site see what u are posting they will imediately advice the dealers to change their spining speeds all the time!!!!!
and then the sinature is gone!!!!
i dont have problem cause i am playing only in land casinos....
u will have problemmmmmmmmmmmmm
go back into ur posts and chance what u have writen.......
nonolinksnolinksnolinks
spider u are perfect
;)
TSK
Quote from: viper5 on March 22, 2009, 07:33:23 PM
I am very glad!!!!!
LISTEN VERY CAEARFULYLISTEN VERY CAEARFULYLISTEN VERY CAEARFULY
LISTEN VERY CAEARFULYLISTEN VERY CAEARFULYLISTEN VERY CAEARFULY
LISTEN VERY CAEARFULY
I know that u love me for showng this to u.....and I know u know that I did this to help u!!!!so I will do that too.......
listen what I have to say.........................................................
stop posting messages of wining
if this site see what u are posting they will imediately advice the dealers to change their spining speeds all the time!!!!!
and then the sinature is gone!!!!
I dont have problem cause I am playing only in land casinos....
u will have problemmmmmmmmmmmmm
go back into ur posts and chance what u have writen.......
nonolinksnolinksnolinks
I honestly dont think Dublinbet would give a flying f#@k because they will make more money in 1 spin than you have seen in all your life.. and if they changed the way the dealers delt then it would just make way for another system to win. your paranoia cracks me up ;D
Help please...
Did I miss it?
What is the smallest and biggest sector possible?
Secondly. Say we have a number sector, or bow as you call it. We play one unit per number for 6 spins without a hit. Why the hell would you want to continue, especially with a progression? I mean, doesn't it defeat the purpose? We are supposed to be playing HOT bows not Cold ones. If you go 6 spins without a hit on a 6 number sector, isn't gone from hot to cold?
Insidebet
Hello friends,
I can ensure you casinos already know about dealer signature and nothing told at any public forum is to be considered by casinos (online or offline) to change game conditions. Do not have sharing fears as the sharing simply won't affect game conditions! (and they already are very aware of VB, DS and Bias).
Forums have been around for many years and not a single casino or game rule has been altered! Not a single dealer has been told to modify speed because of any forum debating Bias or DS. Believe me, as long as they are making money from the gross of losing punters, they couldn't care less.
I remember Mr. J (Kenneth) being asked at gaming floor to bring his system to a casino from a member from that forum. They are very confident of their games. A couple players making something "here and there" doesn't scare them at all.
Sharing fears??? Nah!!! :)
Exactly Victor
Thats why I told Viper not be so paranoic about it. Casino has already calculated every thing
Anyway, everyone is as he is
I just dont like that moment when, after a big win, u feel so high. Its very chilldish
Long live boredom and little wins
Dublinbet table1
18 betting spins +£197.00
TSK
I post 105, I meant to say that you bet on a 6 number sector. (did not type the 6)
Insider
Viper,
If the spins and the wheel are alternating clockwise-counter clockwise every spin, this method will still work? I generally get about 30 spins from a dealer in a land based casino. How do you play this in that case?
Cheers
this is unbelieveable
im on dublinbet table 1
in practice mode... in minutes i went from 500 eur to 1750
sure im betting high stakes, but its only practice... i tracked 15 spins and have won every one since i started betting (5 spins)
looks very promising
here's my tracking after 21 spins
its amazing
On post 105 I asked two very valid questions. Anybody cares to answer?
Quote from: Bazeegar on March 22, 2009, 08:40:22 PM
Viper,
If the spins and the wheel are alternating clockwise-counter clockwise every spin, this method will still work? I generally get about 30 spins from a dealer in a land based casino. How do you play this in that case?
Cheers
The ones i posted are from dublinbet which are alternating cw-ccw.
Quote from: Fraudster on March 22, 2009, 09:06:47 PM
here's my tracking after 21 spins
its amazing
Out of interest mate what dealer was on?
Cheers
@ klinker
It was a red haired women.. i think the name was Larinka ? or something like that.. she is defenetly dealer with a nice feeling for rythem ;D
cheerz
Quote from: Breeze88 on March 22, 2009, 10:05:38 PM
@ klinker
It was a red haired women.. I think the name was Larinka ? or something like that.. she is defenetly dealer with a nice feeling for rythem ;D
cheerz
Thanks! hey im currently with Svetlana and she is doing triangles or nukes in kimo's language.. her spins are so gentle :D
This is 15 spins in look how clean it is..
Well Viper you said no posting winning sessions so how about a losing one?
Guess this must have been the 0.01% losing one :-\
Funny thing is the dealers don't come any slower than this I tell you... the ball does about 12 circles then drops.
Svetlana
13
14
32
19
31
5
35
13
28
35
20
32
15
5
24
34
0
10
23
4
3 bows 12 numbers
29
16
15x
33
3
18
13
21
36
23x
29
4 x
35
9
32x
9
8
lllwllllllwlwllwll
4 hits in 17 spins is'nt very good for a slow dealer.
K1
Quote from: Klinker on March 22, 2009, 09:55:49 PM
The ones I posted are from dublinbet which are alternating cw-ccw.
@klinker
why would you think that cw and ccw would behave same?
Quote from: Bazeegar on March 22, 2009, 11:07:20 PM
@klinker
why would you think that cw and ccw would behave same?
It has behaved the same many times as posted on here by myself and spider ect. 7 hits in a row I had... now the ball gets spun from the same point each time round a circle makes little difference if you think about it. If the ball landed in zero say and then next clockwise spin it land land again on zero.. what are the chances of another hit on zero if the next spin the dealer does exactly the same movment/speed ect anti-clockwise???
Quote from: Klinker on March 22, 2009, 11:03:42 PM
Well Viper you said no posting winning sessions so how about a losing one?
Guess this must have been the 0.01% losing one :-\
Funny thing is the dealers don't come any slower than this I tell you... the ball does about 12 circles then drops.
Svetlana
13
14
32
19
31
5
35
13
28
35
20
32
15
5
24
34
0
10
23
4
3 bows 12 numbers
29
16
15x
33
3
18
13
21
36
23x
29
4 x
35
9
32x
9
8
lllwllllllwlwllwll
4 hits in 17 spins is'nt very good for a slow dealer.
K1
We bet those bows never more than 3 and max 11 numbers. It would not look that bad if you go ahead with two bows (9 numbers) though it will still be losing session. Also it will be good if viper could throw some light as to define when "hot bow" will become "cold bow" to limit the loss.
why use a progression, have you tried flat betting?? it seems to have a decent win rate
HI Klinker
I wouldnt have played the 20,14,31 Bow ... I only choose a bow wher I have at least One repeater also I would make a bow wider i about +1 each side of the bow
in the pic you can see waht bows I would have chosen...
also I would play it with the Atila Progression.. wich is a really good and loong lasting one
cheerz
Quote from: Breeze88 on March 23, 2009, 01:28:44 AM
HI Klinker
I wouldnt have played the 20,14,31 Bow ... I only choose a bow wher I have at least One repeater also I would make a bow wider I about +1 each side of the bow
in the pic you can see waht bows I would have chosen...
also I would play it with the Atila Progression.. wich is a really good and loong lasting one
How would you apply the Atila progression to this
cheerz
@Klinker
Hi
I wouldnt have played the 20 14 31 bow either cos as breeze states there is no repeater
Regards
The Spiders Kiss
my friends....
i showed u a great system(way)of making the roulette from a monster(that till now was to u)to a goldminer
unfortunatelly u can t understund that posting the names of dealers and the name of the site u use it is a VERY BAD THING TO DO!!!!!!!
don t u like the money that u earn??????????
why u do this to ur selfs>>>>????
i came here to help u ...and i did!!!!!!!!
all of u are making a hell lot of money.....
i am also here to tell u how to protect this income.......
it was the last time i did that.....
if u bet on bows and doesn t win any more ,don t come here and say
"hey viper ur system is not good any more....maby we were wining by luck all this time....."
u know this isn t true....
i know that u haven t earn so much money from roulete with other ways......
be smart........
the best thing to do (in my opinion)is to erase all the topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it was the last help from me
now all its up to u friends......
have big winnings
i hpe u will understand the danger early!!!!
anyway yestarday i told u i would go to the casino
an other 700 euro win
Hello viper5,
Congratulation on your winnings!!!
Thanks for teaching us your wonderful system.
Regards
sniper
thank u people
thank u sniper
Have been testing ur method viper,gotta say im very impressed..seems to work best on female dealers..also nice profile pic lol,is that ur dealer in your local casino lol :)
@Natural9
It depends on how manny numbers i play .... lets say i bet on 8 numbers
then the first bet is 11111111 <-- wich means 1 unit on eight numbers
lost then i bet 2111111 <-- means i bet on one number 2 units and on seven numbers 1 unit
lost then i bet 22111111
lost again..... 22211111
and so on... Till iam in Profit.. then i start again with 1 unit each
cheerz
Quote from: Breeze88 on March 23, 2009, 11:17:18 AM
@Natural9
It depends on how manny numbers I play .... lets say I bet on 8 numbers
then the first bet is 11111111 <-- wich means 1 unit on eight numbers
lost then I bet 2111111 <-- means I bet on one number 2 units and on seven numbers 1 unit
lost then I bet 22111111
lost again..... 22211111
and so on... Till iam in Profit.. then I start again with 1 unit each
cheerz
thanks Breeze
I have another question for you does it make the method more stable or in other words less volatile and what has been your maximum step for this method using Atila
Thanks in advance
Rodney
HI Natural
I used this Method of Progression not that long .. i only tested two sessions on Dublinbets yesterday
and the highest step was 2211111111 ( bet on 10 numbers)
so i really cant tell waht the highest step with this way of DS play could be.. because i dont played it so long...
but this progression is not to explosive .. and keeps you longer in the game... wich is good and also fun... :)
cheerz
I see where i went wrong now.. when a system is explained in a crap way its hard to know just how to play it.
Viper, most casino's would go on annual turnover and i asure you if everyone on this site won from your system there would still be 1000000000's of problem gamblers/martingalers james bond wannabies betting on 17 black ect
Also read a bit on the psychology of gambling:
Psychologists and behavioral scientists have some interesting ideas about the methods of clinically diagnosing gamblers. There are some who claim that gambling is an expression of a pathological and/or neurotic individual, which can only be treated by psychological reformation. This reformation includes an encouragement of the gambler to use introspection to look at their childhood, current fears and past hardships - sometimes accompanied by the use of prescribed drugs. There are some psychologists who believe that "Lady Luck" symbolically replaces a gamblers mother, and/or, represents the motherhood state in general. The reason why behavioral scientists say gamblers cannot quit while they are winning is because they desire to actually lose their money, so as to be punished for unresolved tensions and internal conflicts in their lives. In other words, on a deep psychological level, these "true" gamblers want to lose all their money so that they can reach a state of nothingness and despair - All initiated by a past action that the gambler has not resolved in the subconscious, resulting in an overwhelming sense of guilt.
A question for viper
Viper if a bow is strong and happens early on like say 10-12 spins would you bet on it or still track to 20 spins
Rodney
I found something flat bet 12 numbers 1 unit on each number and starts after 5 spins with better results..
[table=,]
Svetlana
13
14 3
32 3
19 1
31 3
5 2 3
35 3 w +24
13 3 w +48
28 3 w +72
35 1 L +60
20 2 L +48
32 3 w +72
15 1 L +60
5 1 1
24 1 w +84
34 2 L +72
0 2 L +60
10 3 L +48
23 1
4 3
29 2
16 2
15 3
33 3 3
3 3 w +72
18 1 L +60
13 3 w +84
21 2 L +72
36 2 L +60
23 1
29 3
4 2 2
35 2 w +84
9 2 w +108
32 2 w +132
9 2 w +156
8 2 w +180
[/table]
Hi guys,
I made an excel file of the progressions that could be used betting on 6 to 11 numbers. Its 12 steps long en very defensive.
Could someone have a look and see if there are any mistakes (and perhaps make it better).
depending on you're bankroll u could use as many steps in the progression as u want.
lots of luck,
gtz skrizy.
TSK, since you understand the system so well, would you be able to give us an example with numbers, showing the bow(s) that you would select to play?
klinker all the people here understood the system....
only u didn t
so i don ;t think this is my fault ;D
u are very rude \to a person that learnrd u something for making money......
Quote from: viper5 on March 23, 2009, 01:02:21 PM
klinker all the people here understood the system....
only u didn t
so I don ;t think this is my fault ;D
u are very rude \to a person that learnrd u something for making money......
Well im just being honest not meaning to be rude.. i know you cant help it. but not everyone understands it look at the post abouve you:
"The Spiders Kiss, since you understand the system so well, would you be able to give us an example with numbers, showing the bow(s) that you would select to play?"
If people understood it why would they be asking you to explain it over and over which you still hav'nt answerd many questions on here (due to your paranoia probaly) ..why did you post something that you did'nt want the casino's to have?
I thank you that you posted though it has shown me something that can be exploited but i don't want to share it with the 95% of dickheads on here.
viper05 I love your avatar.. can you post bigger picture :D
sry for off topic
i made a mistake in my excel file
the tabla where we are betting 7 numbers should look like this imo
# 7 WIN STAKE
1 7 28 1
2 14 21 1
3 21 14 1
4 28 7 1
5 42 28 2
6 56 14 2
7 77 28 3
8 98 7 3
9 126 14 4
10 161 14 5
11 203 7 6
12 259 21 8
lots of luck
gz skrizy
The Thread in the Uncensored Pit "........I found a way to beat the roulette 99.9% FINALLY!!!!!"
Left a message from Rocky, great to see you strong in your convictions Jakkalsdraai, well done!
I'm glad I was able to help.
Rocky
P.S. Thankyou viper5, a real "working" Full System, you are to be Respected and Congradulated!
All The Best viper5
:) Hi Rocky I have answered you in the Pit.
BTW, have you ever posted a "full system" here? Just wondering.
Your friend
Jakk
Quote from: viper5 on March 23, 2009, 01:02:21 PM
klinker all the people here understood the system....
only u didn t
so I don ;t think this is my fault ;D
u are very rude \to a person that learnrd u something for making money......
I didn't understand all neither. The way you explained is confused. The best would be with examples and pictures maybe and indicate step by step.
Don't take it bad, it's not against you, it's just my feeling. It's very sympathic of your part to give your system but we would like it be clear for everybody
Ummmm, Why are we posting full systems in the Pit? Don't we have a section for that? I don't visit the Pit, so could someone clue me in?
Sam
Sam you misunderstood.
Rocky shared his thought with me in the pit. Nothing to do with full systems. I just answered him there. More appropriate than here. Did not want to interup this thread. Lol which I guess I'm doing now!
Cheers
Jakk
Γεια Viper. Είναι αυτός ο κατάλληλος τρόπος για να παίξει το σύστημα σας;
Δεν υπάρχουν τόσες πολλές ευκαιρίες στοίχημα σε αυτά τα γυρίσματα. Ή υπάρχουν;
Χαιρετισμοί
/ Εται
NR Global Pie
25 6
11 8
19 4
18 9
30 8
1 5
1 5
7 7
9 9
6 6
36 8
18 9
33 5
10 8
4 4
8 8
8 8
13 6
10 8 W
29 9
4 4
0 -
13 6
31 9
34 6
13 6
6 6 W
18 9
22 9
34 6
7 7
7 7
30 8
33 5
7 7 W
Hello Compa,
Regarding your post above, is it to start betting when you have a repeat on the same pie?
Thanks & Regards
sniper
Fantastic Work viper5
As soon as viper5 explained his system, I recognised elements of a system I used years ago, where you'd track a wheel for 3x60 spins, (that's right 180 spins, not just for one wheel, but a number of wheels, a lot of work), find 3 points where the ball was landing predominately, then bet the 3 numbers on a progression, on the wheels that qualified. It had mixed results, depending on a lot of other factors.
What I love about viper5 system, is that it works on the same principle, but is simpler, quicker and covers a broader range, its actually quite brilliant. You are qualifying the dealer that you are later going to place bets with, its efficient and by all accounts quite effective. Its efficient also in qualifying other tables nearby quickly also, this looks pretty GOOD!
Whereas it would take some hours to qualify a wheel using the method I described and then obviously the dealer/s used to qualify the wheel initially, would unlikely be the ones at the table when I was implementing this particular strategy.
Rocky
lets see if we can get some consitency going here...
whats ure hot no's with certain people
dublin bet
svetlana
1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 32, 33, 34, 35
23 numbers
tracked for 4 x 20 spins... these all seemed prety constant, some hitting 4 times... some 3 ... quite a lot twice and a few once... but all in the same area...
anyone else have any input??
hello my friends....
so did u test the system????
is it ok for u?????
Hi Viper. In case your system is to be played when 2 numbers in the same sector repeat, or hits within 1 pocket and back to back = A Game. It can be a long wait for a Dealer to qualify. At least in DublinBet. Unless i have misunderstood it.
Thanks
/Cheers
/Compa
Has anyone got any more updates on this methods is it performing well still
Hi Viper. Is this the way you play it?
22-9
36-8
7 -7
6 -6
26-7
30-8
1 -5
31-9
29-9<-- 2 hits and bet
18-9 W
6 -6
31-9
20-5
13-6
31-9
32-4
10-8
33-5
15-4
31-9
30-8
26-7
3 -7<-- 2 hits and bet
7 -7 W
36-8
36-8<-- 2 hits and bet
2 -4
11-8 W
25-6
7 -7
24-5
28-7
28-7<-- 2 hits and bet
26-7 W
i can t understand the way u wrote the numbers.....
do it in the picture of the weel and i will tell u!!!!!