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The 21 Gun Salute

Started by bombus, June 22, 2009, 10:58:28 PM

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bombus

This one's for rjeaton1, but anyone's welcome to give it a go.

This could be good to mess around with in rx script or bot coding.


'The 21 Gun Salute'   by bombus

Single zero wheel.

Track the results until 3 unique numbers (anchors) come out that are spaced around the wheel so that the 3 numbers either side of the 3 anchor numbers do not overlap at all.

When this occurs, you bet on the 21 numbers included in the 3 created wheel sections of 7 numbers each.

Each 7 numbers consists of the anchor number plus the 3 numbers either side.

While tracking for the 3 anchor numbers, as each new number comes out check to see if there is any overlap (closer than 6 numbers together on the wheel) with the previous number out. If there is, then you restart to track for your 3 anchor numbers from that last number out.

Any repeater is also treated as an overlap, and so wipes out the previous 2 numbers out.

While tracking for the 3 anchor numbers, as each new number comes out, check to see if there is any overlap (closer than 6 numbers together on the wheel) with the previous number out. If there isn't, then check to see if there is any overlap (closer than 6 numbers together on the wheel) with the 2nd previous number out. If there is, then you restart to track for your 3 anchor numbers from the last 2 numbers out.

Continue like this until the last 3 numbers out are spaced around the wheel with no overlap between each of the 3 x 7 sections. They can butt up, but not overlap.

After any betting opportunity is finished, win or lose, start a fresh tracking sequence from the next number out.

Each bet is on 21 numbers a total of 4 times.

Progression is:  1 – 2 – 6 – 18 – stop



bombus

Here is just over 200 spins from random.org.

Betting opportunities in red, followed immediately after with bet result.




                                                                       


27                                                        
10                                                                                                                            
1                                                                              
35
11

17 L
12 W
¬_
2
12
27
28
10

14 L
30 W
¬_
14
13
34
19
27
13
4
26
8
34

25 W
_
19
25
15
6
21
9
19
23

1 L
14 W
_
29
23
22
2

28 L
30 W
_
20
18
13
0

30 W
_
3
12
22
19
13

35 L
7 W
_
4
10
4
27

7 L
32 W
_
23
16
8
0
20

22 L
33 W
_
19
6
34
7
22
33
28
17

7  W
_
20
6
32

1 W
_
34
14
33
18
18
22
17
6
15
30
28

10 W
_
32
3
36
19
18

36 W
_
23
6
10
11
27
17
13
0
27
3
20

17 W
_
3
7
25
29
21
35
11

23 W
_
18
20
33
3
28
14
3
1
7
0
1
14
9
5
11
34
30
3
34
11
20
8
22
1
34
30
3
6
8
9
8
33
9
8
28
17

18 W
_
12
26
17
17
33
29

8  L
19 L
5  W
_
11
21
21
15
36
26
8
28
15

18 W
_
12
32
18
33

23 L
7  W
_
15
22
10

29 W
_
0
35
12
17
22
10

2  W
_
15
20
9
22
8
28
27
32
12
28
21
22
18
5
30
31
26

27 L
11 W

Session profit = +288 units.

rjeaton1

 ;D  Thanks Bombus!

I'm off to watch a movie for now, but I'll beging testing this either later tonight (it's 11:21 pm where I'm at now) or early tomorrow.

I'll be sure to post my results.  Glad to see you posted some already, looks promising!

bombus

 
Here are some more trial results:

Random.org again.


19
7
26
8
15
28

14 L
3 W
_
7
15
22
1
31
5
5
3
16
2

23 L
5  W
_
28
22
15
24

26 W
_
9
32
36

21 L
11 W
_
2
32
26
2
9

35 W
_
8
27
1
34
17
22
21
21
5
15
12
15
3
27
17
10
7

5  W
_
7
11
13
27
30
2
4
5
11
4
3
18
4
25
36
28
8
21

26 L
12 W
_
7
14
26
30

0 W
_
36
26
7
18
8
18
4

25 W
_
31
9
21
34
35
27
14

4  L
26 W
_
28
21
31
31
20
24
11
12
22
9
22
19
3
29
5
24
22
26

18 W
_
23
32
24
15
28

4  W
_
8
0
8
9

25 L
15 W
_
10
23
35
12
6
34
9
12
0
8
9

32 W
_
33
16
11
33
19

2  W
_
13
30
26
28
2
35
17
33

24 W
_
16
6
18

27 W
_
12
36
12
8
23
23
20
30
4

14 W
_
30
19
23
3
29
13
27
28
27
24

12 W
_
9
14
11
27
8
3
7
32
11

10 L
9  L
34 L
22 W
_
36
11
3
18
1
36
18
7
19
36

11 W
_
13
30
16
21
11

0  L
36 W
_
32
36
31

21 L
11 W
_
21
28
31
27
2
16
36

13 W
_
14
8
30
18
9
7
9
16
7
11

21 L
0  L
21 L
24 W
_
19
24
8
6
12
29
0
23

3  W
_
9
32
21
36
29

34 L
28 W
_
20
22
36
1
21

6  W
_
11
34
16
6
20
32

28 L
25 W
_
29
29
1
32

10 L
16 W
_
35
23
30
20
19

22 L
0  W
_
26
28
19
9
2
22
24

11 L
26 L
29 W


Session profit = +552 units.

Pushed to 4th stage of progression twice.

topcat888

Hi bombus,

This sounds great, but what are you using to track the numbers to find the trigger point..?

Can anyone (cleverer than me) code this in RX..?  ;)

Cheers
topcat

bombus


@ topcat888

Any method were you're required to place chips on a lot of numbers is going to take a fair amount of practice.

As for tracking this, a sound knowledge of the wheel order is a prerequisite. Once you have moderate idea of where the numbers are on the wheel, this system can be tracked virtually by eye within a few hours of practice. Certainly with pen and a printed wheel chart. I have put one in the thread.

I'm sure this can be coded for RX, but I won't be doing it. Not for now anyway, as I'm fully working on something else at the moment and this little system has been on the backburner for a while now, so I put it up for others to test out/code/tweak/whatever.

Cheers :drinks:

bombus


Above are albeit two very short test samples, using an up as you lose progression.

Interestingly, the total of 83 bets gave 54 winners for a flat bet profit of,


Out = 1743

In  =  1944

Profit = + 201

fqbien

hi bombus,
can you, on your examples, show the numbers you are betting ?
because i don't really understand, somtimes i see 21 numbers, sometimes more, think i don't have it ..

thanks

bombus

@fqben

It can only ever be 21 numbers.

You are betting on the last 3 numbers out, plus 3 numbers either side of each.

Which is 3 groups of 7 numbers.


Look at the very first example. The 3 anchor numbers in red are, 1, 11, 35.

These then are the 21 betted numbers in wheel order:

24, 16, 33, 1, 20, 14, 31

27, 13, 36, 11, 30, 8, 23

7, 28, 12, 35, 3, 26, 0


celiza427

Quote from: bombus on June 23, 2009, 04:43:34 AM
Above are albeit two very short test samples, using an up as you lose progression.

Interestingly, the total of 83 bets gave 54 winners for a flat bet profit of,


Out = 1743

In  =  1944

Profit = + 201

Wow, I like that flat bet profit - very nice  :thumbsup:  One question tho - what does the Out & In mean?

bombus

@ celiza427

Out is total units outlayed.
In is total units recovered.

Yes that's not a bad flat bet profit, but it is only a very short test sample.

And, I 've since been over it and discovered an error. There are actually 84 bets for 54 winners so the profit goes down by 21 units... boo!


84 bets gave 54 winners for a flat bet profit of,


Out = 1764

In  =  1944

Profit = + 180

celiza427

That's still not a bad flat bet profit.  Yes it's a small sample, but thanks for sharing your results.

rjeaton1

Alright, so I've tested this (not extensively...yet) and it looks pretty solid.  I'd like to see it automated (in RXtreme of course) so I can put it through more rigorous testing.

One of the reasons I like it so much is it's ability to still turn a profit even with flat betting...something I have trouble with when I design systems myself

So thanks Bombus!!

I'll post my results soon enough for you guys.

celiza427

Excellent RJ!  I've been keeping my eye on this topic as it is something I definitely want to test, so thanks for the updates on your results (Both RJ & Bombus)

bombus

@ rj,

Cool!

If you are going to give this some effort, then read on....



After some reflection, I am of the opinion that the explosive little progression (1-2-6-18) I included with this system is probably not nearly the best way to bet on this method.

There are obviously countless ways you can formulate your betting, and by all means tweak around, but here is what I think will perform strongly with this system.


Flat betting... (gotta luv that)

Track for a betting opportunity as normal.

Commence betting on the 21 chosen numbers and continue to bet on the current 21 numbers until either of the following two things happens.

1)  When the first bet is a win, continue to bet until you get a loss. After the loss, continue to bet for 2 more wins or a second loss, whichever comes first.

2)  When the first bet is a loss, continue to bet until you get a second loss.

That's it.

This betting formula has the ability to string together some good winning runs, while never exposing you to anymore than 2 losses, and often only 1 loss for any sequence. Also, if playing online or touch screen roulette, you will save some time and effort by repeating the bet more often, so, less clicking and tapping.


Here is a 500 spin test sample using the above betting formula. Spins from random.org.



20
19
13

29 L
1  W
10 L
_
3
13
34
19
18
18
3
33
24
30
13
5
17
17
30
16
17
26

3  W
1  W
31 L
29 L
_
9
9
29
27
22
18
8
30
32
23
15
0
32
30
5
24
35
5
4

24 W
5  W
36 L
14 L
_
20
8
6
8
8
8
34
14

17 W
8  W
16 L
3  L
_
7
3
9
35
21

35 W
18 W
19 W
20 W
15 W
23 L
22 W
27 L
_
11
8
15
8
32
13
13
10
31
23
18
1
14
36
31
35

19 L
21 L
_
31
29
34
2
25
21
30
30
12
12
28
21
17
28
4
18
31
13
7
2
0
18
10

24 W
32 W
2  L
7  W
5  W
0  
11
_
36
25
31
21
31
0
12
35
13
26
26
18
33

34 L
24 W
1  W
15 W
8  L
_
18
11
9
28
34
7
19
23

25 L
3  L
_
14
18
33
0

5  W
29 W
5  W
3  W
15 W
1  W
31 W
8  L
0  W
5  W
23
_
15
8
19
2
30
17
10
4
14

9  W
4  W
23 W
13 L
15 W
32 W
8  
28
_
20
3
10
2

27 L
34 W
15 L
_
12
14
10

0  L
13 L
_
23
7
33
11

22 W
21 L
24 W
12 W
9  
_
31
27
30
8
15
9

14 W
4  W
29 W
21 W
19 W
33 L
15 W
23 W
17
_
24
16
4
5
20
33
2
3

29 L
36 L
_
22
21
18
33

8  L
34 L
_
2
24
0
28
10
6

8  W
5  W
19 L
27 W
4  L
_
5
4
22

5  W
32 W
18 W
11 L
1  L
_
25
36
15
14

7  L
9  W
20 W
26 W
25 L
_
8
9
16
21
30
0
6
31

35 W
13 W
16 L
35 W
28 L
_
9
9
17
35

31 W
14 W
34 W
24 L
8 L
_
23
26
6

20 L
15 W
15 W
15 W
22 L
_
23
8
6
13
26
1

36 W
26 W
28 L
32 W
29 L
_
28
17
22
18
9
24
16
7
3
21
17
35
14

3  W
34 W
30 L
17 W
12 W
10
_
32
8
17

31 L
30 W
0  W
29 L
_
16
22
4

3  L
20 W
16 W
15 W
7  W
18 W
34 L
_
11
32
35
20
21

26 W
28 W
17 W
10 L
26 W
31 W
9  
34
_
28
33
21

27 L
12 W
36 L
_
24
6
23
5
2
6
35
4
3
1
13

24 W
3  W
35 W
13 W
35 W
36 W
22 L
2  L
_
19
33
0
19
4
0
23
8
0
2
35
35
24
14
32
35
7
2
28
3
24
19
24
24
7
32

14 L
0  W
22 W
16 W
19 W
27 L
_
5
13
1
31
6
17
20
20
0
23

23 W
36 L
0  W
7  L
_
24
11
20
24
16
36
36
22
19

15 W
30 W
32 W
21 W
31 W
14 W
8  W
34 L
8  W
18 W
26
_
20
26
19
31
6

6  W
19 W
30 L
24 L
_
5
1
30
24
22
24
0

26 W
0  W
35 W
36 L
29 W
21 L
_
32
15
8
13
6
9
8
31
16
23
27
7
25
27
20
1
1
0
30

4  L
35 W
17 L
20
20
6
26

18 L
32 W
19 L
17
16
34
16


Summary:


In 500 spins, we attacked 37 times.

For 177 bets.

For 112 wins & 65 losses.  Hit rate = 63.28%. We are covering 56.75% of the wheel, so this is a good hit rate.

Total outlay = 3717 units.

Total return = 4032 units.

Profit = 315 units.  8.47% profit on turnover (respectable).


OPTION X (betting a max of 3 times then going virtual with the above betting format (option 2)).

106 bets x 21 units = -2226

69 wins x 36 units = +2484

Hit rate = 65.09%

Profit = +258 = 11.59% POT.



Cheers.

bombus

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