Do you need more than one strategy?

[Jdeadevil]

I'm getting paranoid now, I have no proof or evidence of this, but I swear online Roulette casinos change their algorithm to stop your strategy winning. I mean, I was analysing the numbers on Microsoft Excel and I noticed around 75% of the time, a number generated something on a different row after landing on the same row twice. Yeah sure it failed sometimes, but then I would wait for three repeats of the same row, and I won most of the time. Heck, I went up £200 betting two £5's on different rows, but then I started to have an unlucky streak which was longer than usual, so I brought up Microsoft Excel again and did what I did last time. Turned out, the two row repeater pattern I found completely vanished and became "Random". I tried going along with this by just using free spin over and over again and trying to follow where I think the virtual ball didn't land, and bet on the other two rows, but every single time I did that, the row repeated. I thought it was incredibly unusual and I need people's suggestions.

Now that sounds like nothing to do with the thread title, so I'll just repeat what I read on Bet365's European Roulette table description: "Complex Patterns Easily Placed". An experienced person might know what this means and tell me that assuming it means that the numbers are already placed is a silly interpretation, but I'm sick of not being in-the-know about this. I'm thinking, are there any other strategies or approaches I can use, that generally has the same chance of profiting than the strategy I was using (trying to look for a pattern, betting on the two opposite rows when I feel the time it right)? I feel like if I have another approach, I can play fire with fire.

This is partly my intuition talking, I have a really bad feeling about the game's sense of fairness.

[superman]

This is partly my intuition talking, I have a really bad feeling about the game's sense of fairness

Lots of people feel the same, but here's a way you can test it, if you have excel you can ask it to produce random numbers for you, then play on paper to see if excel is fair LOL, another way would be to use RXTreme and play against that, you will be very suprised how excel and RX also seem unfair but that is the evil of random, if you don't have excel and do not want to buy RXTreme then download some spins from the forum and play on paper again, you will find bad streaks in any random you choose to play against, nature of the beast mate, good luck

[Jdeadevil]

So Microsoft Excel and RX both have the same kind of algorithm? Man, that is bad.. All hope to make profit is lost

[crackers]

So Microsoft Excel and RX both have the same kind of algorithm? Man, that is bad.. All hope to make profit is lost

Just turn it to your advantage. Take what you understand and use it to
see the current conditions. If you can see a condition that continues
then you can take advantage of it as long as it does not change. Every
individual spin tells you if it continues or if it has begun to change.

[Jdeadevil]

After I made that opening post, someone from the online casino urged me to apply for the deposit bonus and I ended up losing £30 because Column bets are a stupid minimum £5 bet, so that's another one I'm going to have to leave. Is it common to have so many unused online casino accounts?

Back on topic, until I learn a good deal of Microsoft Excel programming, I'm going to keep trying RX and I'm going to try and run my systems through that before anything in the future, and then keep doing that, then record the average, or just manually look for a pattern and programme a system into it something based on that, or whatever's best. I remember when I last used it, it was quite easy to learn the pseudo-scripting language it used. I just find it really difficult to believe the RNG I was battling was genuinely producing random results, specially as the 'pattern' suddenly changed as soon as I bet on something; like that's a very rare situation to occur, unless I bet otherwise.

For example right, I don't know if I said this on my opening post, five numbers in the same Column showed up for the first time just as I bet otherwise.

[Jdeadevil]

Sorry for the double post, I can't find the edit button. Please ignore the fact I used the word "System" instead of Strategy, I'm not that big-headed and confident.

[superman]

So Microsoft Excel and RX both have the same kind of algorithm? Man, that is bad.. All hope to make profit is lost

That's not really what I meant, it's random that is feeding you the numbers, all I wanted you to see was that you will get the same shape of results as you will get at an online casino RNG, it's random that's not fair, the only unfair casino RNG is one that cheats, there must be some but there wont be many out there, stick to a reputable casino, this wont help you beat random but it should ensure peace of mind.

Just turn it to your advantage. Take what you understand and use it to see the current conditions. If you can see a condition that continues then you can take advantage of it as long as it does not change. Every individual spin tells you if it continues or if it has begun to change

The above from Crackers is telling you to watch what is happening on the marquee, basically what most of us do, with RNG past/present spins start to form patterns that you, over time, will come to recognise and know what should/may happen next, never use a martingale progression unless you are waiting for an event that happens only once every 5000 spins, even then at some point you will lose the bank, if you feel you must use a progression then just try +1 -1 etc, for example playing ECs' red/black, lets say you decide red will come next

bet red 1 unit = lose
next decision is still red
bet red 2 units = lose
next decision black
bet 3 units on black = lose
stay at 3 units for 2 or 3 bets to see if what you think is happening actually is, if not, make a note of how much you are down and start your attack again, maybe start with 2 units, don't try to get ahead with every bet, recovery could last for 5 or 6 bets, tortoise/hare, do a few free spins if they allow it until you can work out which way random is going.

To learn whats possible use RX or excel to give you unbiased random results, random does the same on all platforms just at different times.

[superman]

five numbers in the same Column showed up for the first time just as I bet otherwise

That's still low, wait until you see 12/14 hits on 1 column/dozen, it does happen, the only time you acknowledge it is when you are betting the other 2 

[Jdeadevil]

That's still low, wait until you see 12/14 hits on 1 column/dozen, it does happen, the only time you acknowledge it is when you are betting the other 2 

Lol really? I don't think I've ever seen that happen. Then again people have said they've seen the same colour show for that amount of times, but that's 50/50 so it's different.

[Jdeadevil]

Oh f*ck sake I forgot I couldn't edit posts. -_-

That's not really what I meant, it's random that is feeding you the numbers, all I wanted you to see was that you will get the same shape of results as you will get at an online casino RNG, it's random that's not fair, the only unfair casino RNG is one that cheats, there must be some but there wont be many out there, stick to a reputable casino, this wont help you beat random but it should ensure peace of mind.

The above from Crackers is telling you to watch what is happening on the marquee, basically what most of us do, with RNG past/present spins start to form patterns that you, over time, will come to recognise and know what should/may happen next, never use a martingale progression unless you are waiting for an event that happens only once every 5000 spins, even then at some point you will lose the bank, if you feel you must use a progression then just try +1 -1 etc, for example playing ECs' red/black, lets say you decide red will come next

bet red 1 unit = lose
next decision is still red
bet red 2 units = lose
next decision black
bet 3 units on black = lose
stay at 3 units for 2 or 3 bets to see if what you think is happening actually is, if not, make a note of how much you are down and start your attack again, maybe start with 2 units, don't try to get ahead with every bet, recovery could last for 5 or 6 bets, tortoise/hare, do a few free spins if they allow it until you can work out which way random is going.

To learn whats possible use RX or excel to give you unbiased random results, random does the same on all platforms just at different times.

Yeah, I mean, I think when I can, Excel might be a better option as I can match it with the history of the game itself, as with RX it has nothing to do with what the casino's producing, but it's still a good software for the purpose.

I know what you mean, I may have used the word Algorithm quite wrongly, as Random is all the same thing.

[crackers]

Here is a technical perspective of your computer platform. Your computer uses
an RNG in the base libraries of its operating system. Computer applications like
Excel or Rx use this system algorithm to produce random outcomes. If they start
with the same starting value then they produce the exact same stream of spins.
That start value is called the seed. To make the values turn out more true to life.
The programmers of the original algorithm on the system decided to cause the
seed to be changed every time applications start up that use it. Now these algorithms 
are good for about a half million requests (spins) before beginning to repeat. So if
you plan to run tests far beyond millions then you need to change the random
seed every half million requests to the platforms algorithm. The computer uses
the system clock to change the random seed on application start ups.

[Jdeadevil]

I think I understand. So offline software uses files from your Operating System's libraries to generate random numbers when needed, but sometimes begin to repeat itself after a certain number of spins come up? And this seed changes in accordance to the system time?

Is that correct?

[crackers]

Yes, you understand the basics.

[Jdeadevil]

What are the more advanced things? I'm genuinely interested xD

[crackers]

What are the more advanced things? I'm genuinely interested xD

Don't play online in less the casino has a live wheel that has been
validated by real players that have verified the same spins for on
line play. That casino must also have a great reputation for paying
all winnings. That includes fair resolutions for disputes and glitches.

[crackers]

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