I think we are all wasting our time...

[pins]

its all luck. todays winners are tomorrows losers. the only way to get rich is hard work. all system players  some day will walk out of the casino and wonder what happened. the house edge caught up with you. my advice. play for fun.

[gizmotron]

Sure it does. The problem is whether or not they are predictable.

... There is no way on earth you can show or prove that the probabilities change (e.g. spins where Red has 60% probability and black has 40%, or 55% Vs. 45%, etc.) on a spin-to-spin basis (or any basis for that matter).

... then how the hell would you get a real edge? And if you don't have a real edge, then how on earth do you win long-term? Money management? Discipline? LOL, not on this planet.

Hey, it doesn't have to be predictable to be an advantage. It just has to continue doing what it's doing. Who gives a damn if "probabilities change"? BTW, you just identified an enormous new reason to read randomness in a new group type. The group type is the randomness of temporary, localized probabilities. So thank yourself. The edge is in identifying things that continue and in knowing how to deal with it. You, unfortunately, need it to be a mathematical explanation in order to relate to it. You have no clue whatsoever how to deal with it. So what gives you the right to explain it? Math has only served to blind your understanding of short termed probability. BTW, now short termed probability is now a characteristic of Randomness. Thanks, very very much.

[A3on47]

Hey, it doesn't have to be predictable to be an advantage. It just has to continue doing what it's doing. Who gives a damn if "probabilities change"? BTW, you just identified an enormous new reason to read randomness in a new group type. The group type is the randomness of temporary, localized probabilities. So thank yourself. The edge is in identifying things that continue and in knowing how to deal with it. You, unfortunately, need it to be a mathematical explanation in order to relate to it. You have no clue whatsoever how to deal with it. So what gives you the right to explain it? Math has only served to blind your understanding of short termed probability. BTW, now short termed probability is now a characteristic of Randomness. Thanks, very very much.

Couldn't say better 

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Noble Savage why do you waste your time
let them do what they do
there is no need to try to educate them or turn the world around for them
if they dont understand that there is no andvantage or edge with out any postive expectaion
there just no hope

Let them see what they see and let the call it what they want to call it
just let them be alone in the dark

Cheers

[Noble Savage]

Noble Savage why do you waste your time
let them do what they do
there is no need to try to educate them or turn the world around for them
if they dont understand that there is no andvantage or edge with out any postive expectaion
there just no hope

Let them see what they see and let the call it what they want to call it
just let them be alone in the dark

Cheers

I guess you're right.

[GARNabby]

I guess you're right.

Not so fast.

Randomness is just a fancy word for drunkenness... and causes the same disorders and symptoms in children of alcoholic parents (as it does in the casino-addicts who come to believe only that they are getting better and better the worse things get.)

On the other hand, what if the same sorts of clinical recourses for that problem can be used on some higher level against the casino-sort?

One must study also the sick to find the cures, to look at this sort of thing... to not waste time over it.

[gizmotron]

Randomness is just a fancy word for drunkenness...

Being a loser is just another fancy word for drunkenness. If you can't see past the arithmetic or the math then please don't go to a casino with your hard earned money. Don't purchase any computers, don't pay for advice regarding anything to do with the physical properties of the Roulette wheel. You can learn anything at home. You can teach yourself to recognize trends. Nobody can stop you. There will be very angry people that resent you because they can't learn how to win. That's their own fault. Most of them do not have personal drive. It takes hard work to learn to read randomness and to apply it to your benefit. Good Luck. Don't listen to the skeptics.

[sherminator]

@Jordon27,

Trends/Patterns run throughout the game almost constantly.
The advantage lies in your ability to be able to read what is going on and decide how you are going to approach it from a betting perspective.
First of all you need to be able to define which trends are likely to have a positive outcome more often than not to make it worth your time.  (not all trends are equal)
Secondly you need to be aware when the opportunity is gone.
It is my opinion that you do not learn any of this in a day or a week.  It can take years to hone your skills and instincts so that you stand a better than average chance of winning consistently.

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The advantage lies in your ability to be able to read what is going on and decide how you are going to approach it from a betting perspective.

1) Words like andvantage or edge have no value if there is no positive expectation.
2) There is no positive expectaion using trends or patterns.
3) If there is no bias - not due to random fluctation - there is nothing to explore.

Just have nothing to do for the moment and spend my time writing here - thats all ...

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[MATTJONO]

@Jordon27,

Trends/Patterns run throughout the game almost constantly.
The advantage lies in your ability to be able to read what is going on and decide how you are going to approach it from a betting perspective.
First of all you need to be able to define which trends are likely to have a positive outcome more often than not to make it worth your time.  (not all trends are equal)
Secondly you need to be aware when the opportunity is gone.
It is my opinion that you do not learn any of this in a day or a week.  It can take years to hone your skills and instincts so that you stand a better than average chance of winning consistently.

totally agree


I love it when I deposit £5 on betfred and play with my instics and just go for it.
colums sleeping betting with them, streets going threw a hot stage (knowing when to jump on and jump off)...... red not going past R,R for over 40 spins
.....17,2....single bet on number 25...    
.........24,8....bet single numbers 10,26


I'm 21 but I know experience can be the answer to not losing alot on roulette and as time goes on and insticts get better then well you could have yourself a holy grail within yourself that cannot be explained or shown to anyone its only down to you to make a profit.


regards,
MATTJONO


p.s the problem is getting carried away and losing your hard earned profit bankroll with a thew silly bets

[Bayes]

First of all you need to be able to define which trends are likely to have a positive outcome more often than not to make it worth your time.  (not all trends are equal)

Simple!  

Pity there's no way of doing that. There is no REASON why any trend (once begun) is likely to last longer (or not) than any other perceived trend - unless of course, you have a biased wheel.

Where is the cause and effect in random outcomes? there is none.

[sherminator]

"1) Words like advantage or edge have no value if there is no positive expectation. "  AGREED!

"There is no REASON why any trend (once begun) is likely to last longer (or not) than any other perceived trend"
CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT EITHER!

Not that some of you guys need to worry about it but the repetitive nature of what most of us learned a long time ago gets a bit stale after a while.

[Bayes]

the repetitive nature of what most of us learned a long time ago gets a bit stale after a while.

Seems you haven't learned it though, or perhaps just haven't understood?

[sherminator]

No, I understand perfectly well.   I was lucky to have the ability to move on.   It's a shame that you couldn't.

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Not that some of you guys need to worry about it but the repetitive nature of what most of us learned a long time ago gets a bit stale after a while.

I have no comment other then i notice your reply ...

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