Forget roulette.

[Mike]

After trying to beat roulette for several months I've come to the conclusion that yes, the math is correct, it cannot be beaten. I would have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had just "believed" the math in the first place.

Anyone who tries to tell you different is either ignorant or a scammer.

But it's not all bad news, you can make consistent profits from other speculative activities like sports betting, trading, or poker. The reason you can win at these is because it's possible to get a REAL edge, not an imaginary one. The odds are not fixed in poker or sports betting, in roulette they are, and that's what makes all the difference between winning and losing in the long run.

So my advice is to forget roulette, research these other avenues.

Now I expect the ignorant/scammers will come forward with their usuall blah blah blah. Who cares, I now KNOW them for what they are.

[Boo_Ray]

I will just LOL at this   

[macduff]

After trying to beat roulette for several months I've come to the conclusion that yes, the math is correct, it cannot be beaten. I would have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had just "believed" the math in the first place.

Anyone who tries to tell you different is either ignorant or a scammer.

But it's not all bad news, you can make consistent profits from other speculative activities like sports betting, trading, or poker. The reason you can win at these is because it's possible to get a REAL edge, not an imaginary one. The odds are not fixed in poker or sports betting, in roulette they are, and that's what makes all the difference between winning and losing in the long run.

So my advice is to forget roulette, research these other avenues.

Now I expect the ignorant/scammers will come forward with their usuall blah blah blah. Who cares, I now KNOW them for what they are.

my god several months,bet you left no stone unturned.your dedication is commendable. SIR I SALUTE YOU!!!!!!!!!! 

[cheese]

my god several months,bet you left no stone unturned.your dedication is commendable. SIR I SALUTE YOU!!!!!!!!!! 

I was thinking the same thing. A couple months, he must be exhausted. To examine roulette in such a short amount of time, he must have used a small plastic wheel, that would explain how he did it so fast. 

[pins]

five minutes should tell you the game is unbeatable. what fools we mortals be. good betting.

[Kelly]

There are options you know. To become a successfull trader takes some time and money and some people might never learn it as there are no exact "how to do it" guide that works 100% of the time. For instance, I am pretty sure A LOT of people took profit in Apple, trading only on stochastics or RSI, wayyyy before it topped out, just look what happens if you combine some indicators:
This pretty much makes a mess of the board, please scroll to the right




in roulette you also have the option of exploring advantage play which would come into the same category as consistent succesfull trading. I would say that AP is slightly easyer to learn than succesfull trading, the difference is that trading you can do from your sofa and no one from the pit will ever bother you or push your chips back because you were a bit late.

[Mike]

I was thinking the same thing. A couple months, he must be exhausted. To examine roulette in such a short amount of time, he must have used a small plastic wheel, that would explain how he did it so fast. 

Actually it was more like 6 months, and FYI I'm a programmer so in a couple of hours I can write a program to test a method which would take days or weeks by hand. You guys are so proud of the fact that you don't give up, but really, the joke is on you. You test one system after another in the hope that eventually something will work, but you don't see that ultimately they are all the same, because you haven't understood the math of the game. 

[cheese]

but you don't see that ultimately they are all the same, because you haven't understood the math of the game. 

Oh well, you can go to the head of the class and move on, then. Buh Bye......

[Mike]

in roulette you also have the option of exploring advantage play which would come into the same category as consistent succesfull trading. I would say that AP is slightly easyer to learn than succesfull trading, the difference is that trading you can do from your sofa and no one from the pit will ever bother you or push your chips back because you were a bit late.

Thanks for the tip kelly. I've looked at this but to be honest I don't think there is much of a future in it. There may be biased wheels around but if they exist the casino are far more likely to spot them before I do, with their sophisticated monitoring equipment. The only other alternative is VB, but I'm of the opinion that it will become harder to make a profit from this as time goes on, plus the fact that you have to travel to find playable wheels. I haven't decided yet which way to go, but roulette ain't it. Same goes for any other negative expectation casino game.

[Mike]

Oh well, you can go to the head of the class and move on, then. Buh Bye......

So you have found a "winning" system? 

[ivan19061]

Is math the only way to beat roulette?
I think the thing you should forget is the way you think of roulette.
What I believed is Probability and progression give shit on roulette.
Of course, I am talking about Live Wheel.

[Mike]

Where did I say I used math? I agree you can't use math to beat it, what would be the point if the math already says you can't? I started off ignoring the math, like everyone else, but I found out that in the end the math is absolutely correct.
And don't try to tell me that if you have a good bet selection, or quit while ahead or any of that crap works because I KNOW it doesn't. Testing systems manually is a waste of time because it doesn't give you the true picture. You can do well over thousands of spins with a system but in the end it all comes down to luck in the short term and sure losses in the long term.
These guys claiming they win are just on a temporary high, they have ups and downs just like random. How the hell can you rely on RANDOM numbers? how the hell can you have a meaningful bet selection on RANDOM numbers? 
Dreamers and addicts, that's all they are.

[ivan19061]

I understand your point.
Most system claims it can beat roulette, but 99% fails.
It wins in short term, but fails in long term.
I don't trust luck either like you.
On the other hand, I agree with you on the term "random" if you are talking RNG.
When it comes to Live Wheel, I think we are on the different way.
For sure, betting on red/black even over 100,000 spins, you can win.  But does it mean it beat roulette?

[Mr J]

"There may be biased wheels around but if they exist the casino are far more likely to spot them before I do" >>> Very true Mike. 

Ken

[CASINO-PLAYER]

I do not normally post on forums but I have read so much negativity here I thought I should
point out that there are pro-players that could teach so much that is missing here on this forum.
Why not encourage some of these pros.  to give some proper tips or guidence.  Or is this forum full
of has-beens with no where to go?  Tell me.

[CASINO-PLAYER]

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