Turbo Geniuse's 4 spin system

[Coxx16]

Betting that a pattern of 4 spins won't repeat
(be identical to the previous 4 spins)
betting dozens (2:1) with $5.00 min bet
we need this progression for 4 spins :
$5-$5 (win +$5) (loss -$10)
$15-$15 (win +$5) (loss -$40)
$45-$45 (win +$5) (loss -$130)
$135-$135 (win +$5) (loss -$400)

The "only" time this system will lose a $400.00 bankroll is when a dozen repeats itself for 8 spins,
from the time we begin charting to the end of our 4 spins of play.
(note the 0 can influence this also)
So we will win at least $5.00 per every 4 spins,
and lose $400 (equal to 80 wins) when a dozen repeats itself 8 times,
or the same pattern repeats itself.
example : (40 spins rng)
33
32
1
19
27
6
8
15
28
35
22
9
20
3
5
27
16
32
6
30
7
12
23
27
7
24
28
33
21
26
36
13
19
30
11
14
5
25
35
1
=========================
now, looking at it as dozens :
3
3
1
2
3
1
1
2
3
3
2
1
2
1
1
3
2
3
1
3
1
1
2
3
1
2
3
3
2
3
3
2
2
3
1
2
1
3
3
1
=========================
and finally as 4 spin sequences :
3312
3112
3321
2113
2313
1123
1233
2332
2312
1331
==========================
and now we can see where our wins are :
(wins shown as [] )
3312 (recorded)
3[1]12 outcome +$5.00
3[3]21 +$5.00
[2]113 +$5.00
2[3]13 +$5.00
[1]123 +$5.00
1[2]33 +$5.00
[2]332 +$5.00
23[1]2 +$5.00
[1]331 +$5.00
for this brief example of 40 spins, we have 9 wins for 9 sessions
and a profit of +$45.00 (minus the 4 spins for initial qaulification,
we have a profit of $45.00 for 35 spins...
or +$1.25 per spin average)
===========================
now let's assume we backtrack so that right "after a win",
we begin a new session based on the previous 4 spins..
3312 initial qualification (recorded)
3[1] win, now we have 1231 as our sequence
123[3] win, now we have 1233
[2] win, now we have 2332
[1] win, now we have 3321
[2] win, now we have 3212
[1] win, now we have 2121
[1] win, now we have 1211
[3] win, now we have 2113
2[3] win, now we have 1323
13[1] win, now we have 3131
[1] win, now we have 1311
[2] win, now we have 3112
31[2] win, now we have 2312
[3] win, now we have 3123
3[2] win, now we have 2332
[3] win, now we have 3323
3[2] win, now we have 2332
23[1] win, now we have 2231
2[1] win, now we have 3121
3[3] win, now we have 2133
[1] win and end of data now,

We have 21 wins of $5.00 each for a period of 40 spins,
so if we don't count the 5 to qualify initially -
we have +$105.00 for 35 spins of play,
or +$3.00 per spin profit average.
==================================
Either way though, mathamatically we are up against the chance
that there will be a losing session once per each 80 wins.
It is an interesting idea though and I think very playable in a live
situation with little risk.

Note, in the above example there were no #0 shows.
If this happens, it's a loss (or is it ?)...
I'm sure someone will think a little and cover the straight up number 0
with the correct amount of chips in order to make a profit should it show.
This will only slightly increase the bankroll needed but will cover the bet
Then, our only losing session will be an 8 spin repeat of a single dozen.
Be creative - once you have figured the 0 coverage bet,
play it with the columns also - try to figure ways to combine
both the dozens and columns into the mix at the same time.
This will make your profits 2X faster, and it may be possible to only
see a loss when we have a 4 spin repeat in the same 4 number group,
such as 1/4/7/10 which are all in the same dozen - and also all in the same column.
Try your own variations and experiments.

This is nothing "new", so please bend it to fit your table limits and
remember the risk(s) involved.

Cheers Ed


====================

Since there were some questions, I'll add another example from actuals
(picked at random)

Hamburg 20050716_1 (yesterday table 1)
(first we qualify)

# - dozen it's in (result) (new sequence)

6 - 1
28 - 3
0 - n/a
9 - 1
36 - 3
10 - 1
21 - 2 (we have 1312 as our sequence)
(so we are betting 1st spin on 2nd and 3rd dozen)
26 - 3 (win) (now we have 3123)
10 - 1 (win) (now we have 1231)
1 - 1 (loss - continue)
21 - 2 (loss - continue)
7 - 1 (win) (now we have 1121)
33 - 3 (win) (now we have 1213)
31 - 3 (win) (now we have 2133)
20 - 2 (loss - continue)
14 - 2 (win) (now we have 3322)
5 - 1 (win) (now we have 3221)
28 - 3 (loss - continue)
5 - 1 (win) (now we have 2131)
24 - 2 (loss - continue)
32 - 3 (win) (now we have 3123)
4 - 1 (win) (now we have 1231)
2 - 1 (loss - continue)
20 - 2 (loss - continue)
31 - 3 (loss - continue)
31 - 3 (win) (now we have 1233)
8 - 1 (loss - continue)
7 - 1 (win) (now we have 3311)
11 - 1 (win) (now we have 3111)
10 - 1 (win) (now we have 1111)
0 - n/a (loss - continue)
6 - 1 (loss - continue)
18 - 2 (win) (qualify due to 0)
26 - 3
26 - 3 (now we have 1233)
11 - 1 (loss - continue)
7 - 1 (win) (now we have 3311)
7 - 1 (win) (now we have 3111)
11 - 1 (win) (now we have 1111)
2 - 1 (loss - continue)
17 - 2 (win) (now we have 1112)
2 - 1 (loss - continue)
19 - 2 (win) .....

results +$100.00 using 5.00 table min.


   

4 SPIN SEQUENCE SYSTEM
(for 2 to 1 payoff bets)


Betting that a pattern of 4 spins won't repeat
(be identical to the previous 4 spins)
betting dozens (2:1) with $5.00 min bet
we need this progression for 4 spins :
$5-$5 (win +$5) (loss -$10)
$15-$15 (win +$5) (loss -$40)
$45-$45 (win +$5) (loss -$130)
$135-$135 (win +$5) (loss -$400)

The "only" time this system will lose a $400.00 bankroll is when a dozen repeats itself for 8 spins,
from the time we begin charting to the end of our 4 spins of play.
(note the 0 can influence this also)
So we will win at least $5.00 per every 4 spins,
and lose $400 (equal to 80 wins) when a dozen repeats itself 8 times,
or the same pattern repeats itself.
example : (40 spins rng)
33
32
1
19
27
6
8
15
28
35
22
9
20
3
5
27
16
32
6
30
7
12
23
27
7
24
28
33
21
26
36
13
19
30
11
14
5
25
35
1
=========================
now, looking at it as dozens :
3
3
1
2
3
1
1
2
3
3
2
1
2
1
1
3
2
3
1
3
1
1
2
3
1
2
3
3
2
3
3
2
2
3
1
2
1
3
3
1
=========================
and finally as 4 spin sequences :
3312
3112
3321
2113
2313
1123
1233
2332
2312
1331
==========================
and now we can see where our wins are :
(wins shown as [] )
3312 (recorded)
3[1]12 outcome +$5.00
3[3]21 +$5.00
[2]113 +$5.00
2[3]13 +$5.00
[1]123 +$5.00
1[2]33 +$5.00
[2]332 +$5.00
23[1]2 +$5.00
[1]331 +$5.00
for this brief example of 40 spins, we have 9 wins for 9 sessions
and a profit of +$45.00 (minus the 4 spins for initial qaulification,
we have a profit of $45.00 for 35 spins...
or +$1.25 per spin average)
===========================
now let's assume we backtrack so that right "after a win",
we begin a new session based on the previous 4 spins..
3312 initial qualification (recorded)
3[1] win, now we have 1231 as our sequence
123[3] win, now we have 1233
[2] win, now we have 2332
[1] win, now we have 3321
[2] win, now we have 3212
[1] win, now we have 2121
[1] win, now we have 1211
[3] win, now we have 2113
2[3] win, now we have 1323
13[1] win, now we have 3131
[1] win, now we have 1311
[2] win, now we have 3112
31[2] win, now we have 2312
[3] win, now we have 3123
3[2] win, now we have 2332
[3] win, now we have 3323
3[2] win, now we have 2332
23[1] win, now we have 2231
2[1] win, now we have 3121
3[3] win, now we have 2133
[1] win and end of data now,

We have 21 wins of $5.00 each for a period of 40 spins,
so if we don't count the 5 to qualify initially -
we have +$105.00 for 35 spins of play,
or +$3.00 per spin profit average.
==================================
Either way though, mathamatically we are up against the chance
that there will be a losing session once per each 80 wins.
It is an interesting idea though and I think very playable in a live
situation with little risk.

Note, in the above example there were no #0 shows.
If this happens, it's a loss (or is it ?)...
I'm sure someone will think a little and cover the straight up number 0
with the correct amount of chips in order to make a profit should it show.
This will only slightly increase the bankroll needed but will cover the bet
Then, our only losing session will be an 8 spin repeat of a single dozen.
Be creative - once you have figured the 0 coverage bet,
play it with the columns also - try to figure ways to combine
both the dozens and columns into the mix at the same time.
This will make your profits 2X faster, and it may be possible to only
see a loss when we have a 4 spin repeat in the same 4 number group,
such as 1/4/7/10 which are all in the same dozen - and also all in the same column.
Try your own variations and experiments.

This is nothing "new", so please bend it to fit your table limits and
remember the risk(s) involved.

Cheers Ed


====================

Since there were some questions, I'll add another example from actuals
(picked at random)

Hamburg 20050716_1 (yesterday table 1)
(first we qualify)

# - dozen it's in (result) (new sequence)

6 - 1
28 - 3
0 - n/a
9 - 1
36 - 3
10 - 1
21 - 2 (we have 1312 as our sequence)
(so we are betting 1st spin on 2nd and 3rd dozen)
26 - 3 (win) (now we have 3123)
10 - 1 (win) (now we have 1231)
1 - 1 (loss - continue)
21 - 2 (loss - continue)
7 - 1 (win) (now we have 1121)
33 - 3 (win) (now we have 1213)
31 - 3 (win) (now we have 2133)
20 - 2 (loss - continue)
14 - 2 (win) (now we have 3322)
5 - 1 (win) (now we have 3221)
28 - 3 (loss - continue)
5 - 1 (win) (now we have 2131)
24 - 2 (loss - continue)
32 - 3 (win) (now we have 3123)
4 - 1 (win) (now we have 1231)
2 - 1 (loss - continue)
20 - 2 (loss - continue)
31 - 3 (loss - continue)
31 - 3 (win) (now we have 1233)
8 - 1 (loss - continue)
7 - 1 (win) (now we have 3311)
11 - 1 (win) (now we have 3111)
10 - 1 (win) (now we have 1111)
0 - n/a (loss - continue)
6 - 1 (loss - continue)
18 - 2 (win) (qualify due to 0)
26 - 3
26 - 3 (now we have 1233)
11 - 1 (loss - continue)
7 - 1 (win) (now we have 3311)
7 - 1 (win) (now we have 3111)
11 - 1 (win) (now we have 1111)
2 - 1 (loss - continue)
17 - 2 (win) (now we have 1112)
2 - 1 (loss - continue)
19 - 2 (win) .....

results +$100.00 using 5.00 table min.

chart :








Here's from actuals as I'm doing them off by hand :
(note started July 1st 2005 for a reference point)

(date / most repeats of a single dozen) (spins)

July 1 2005
table 1 - 6 repeats (264 spins)
table 2 - 4 repeats (154 spins)
table 4 - 7 repeats (261 spins)
table 5 - 10 repeats (213 spins) (1 losing session)
table 6 - 5 repeats (209 spins)
table 7 - 4 repeats (89 spins)
table 8 - 4 repeats (92 spins)
=====================
July 1 summary : 1,282 spins (512.8 sessions)
winnings : +$2,564.00 losings : -$400.00
day's balance +$2,164.00
=====================
July 2 2005
table 1 - 7 repeats (210 spins)
table 2 - 5 repeats (121 spins)
table 4 - 7 repeats (233 spins)
table 5 - 5 repeats (208 spins)
table 6 - 5 repeats (176 spins)
table 7 - 4 repeats (93 spins)
table 8 - 3 repeats (88 spins)
======================
July 2 summary : 1,129 spins (451.6 sessions)
winnings : +$2,258.00 losings : -$0.00
day's balance +$2,258.00
2 day balance +$4,422.00 for 2,411 spins
======================
July 3 2005
table 1 - 5 repeats (187 spins)
table 4 - 5 repeats (264 spins)
table 5 - 5 repeats (236 spins)
table 6 - 5 repeats (135 spins)
======================
July 3 summary : 822 spins (328.8 sessions)
winnings : +$1,644.00 losings : -$0.00
day's balance +$1,644.00
3 day balance +$6,066.00 for 3,233 spins

* 3 days into the test and we are up 6k which is equal to 15 bankrolls !

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I found this system on Turbo's site. I had a go with it, the last few times that I went to the casino with one important change. I would only play after 3 losses. For example: (here we will be working with the dozens)

If the sequence is 3221

And the next 3 spins are 322 ; this is a LLL situation. So I would then bet against the 1 (which is the last number in the sequence) If I win I win 1 unit, if I lose ,I take the 2 unit loss and i wait until the next LLL situation. So I was ONLY flat betting.  I made 10 bets that day and won 8. Using 25 dollar units, I made $100.

I am wondering if sombody could program this into rx using the LLL then flat bet strategy or a 6 point divisor. I think this could be a long term winner if the 0 is covered with an insurance bet. thanks guys!

[TwoCatSam]

Coxx

Please understand I'm not a fan of progressions, so I am always fearful of these things.  It "seems" like when you are up to your fourth step, the casino's website crashes!  With me, I usually am asleep at the wheel, as I was today when I failed to bet the 11 and got away with it.

To me, this is one of those "fun" systems where you just take $400 and play as long as you can.

Now, the flat bet idea is more to my liking. 

Bear in mind, no matter what hurdles you set up for the wheel to jump, it will!

This may not go over well, but Turbo has posted a ton of these systems and they all work on RNG with RX.  I tried one of his ideas that almost always worked.  It lost.  No smear on Turbo--I sure can't do any better!

Sam

[JHM]

2 - 1 (loss - continue)
20 - 2 (loss - continue)
31 - 3 (loss - continue)
31 - 3 (win) (now we have 1233)

Here you almost lost 400,- You need a lot of play to recover when you loose that 400.

[MattyMattz]

Hey Coxx/all,

I remember this one from the VIP forum.  And have played it occasionally at the casino, but as Sam pointed out, for fun.  I'll buy in for 400 and play till I leave or lose.  It's easy to play/track and pretty successful.  Don't remember ever losing my 400$...

MM

[MattyMattz]

Another quick note,

I believe it was Talesman who pointed this out on the original thread at VIP.  To make it even easier, just bet against the 4th to last spin.  Simple.

MM

[MattyMattz]

sorry to hijack the thread but I haven't talked about this style of play in a while, and it's really fun...

So I decided to try something.  Gonna play the "4spin" on dozens and columns online and use the 50% MM system with it.  Let's see how far I go before it loses.  I'll aim for around 100$ each session (give or take).

Just played my first session
25 spins, +130$ (so 26 units)
MBR started at 400$, now at 465$
2nd BR started at 0$, now at 65$

Lw record:
Dozens: nolinksnolinksLnolinksnolinksLwLwLw
Columns: nolinksLLwwLwLnolinks(Vw)Lww  **Vw stands for Virtual win... missed the bet

2nd session coming up

MM

[MattyMattz]

okay 2nd session done...

18 spins, +100$ (20 units)
MBR started at 465$, now at 515$
2BR started at 65$, now at 115$

Lw registry
Doz:(Vw)LnolinksnolinksLLwwLw
Col:LLwwLnolinksnolinksnolinks

One thing I'm going to implement...  If I ever have 4 dozens or Columns in a row, I won't bet against that trend, as I have seen them both trend for more than 8 in a row, and that would be a loss.  In this case, I will just wait for a break in the trend.  It happened once in this session with the dozens:

1
3
3
2
3w
3L
3L
3w - here I would start a new bet against 4 straight doz3... but I don't like that, so I'll wait for the break.  If I'm in the middle of a progression, I'll keep it going.

Cheers.  I'm having tons of fun!  Less than 40 spins and I've already made 200+... that's half a BR.

Matt

[MATTJONO]

very esy system to play and hardely ever need the 4th bet, i played it on a R.N.G  to get the hang of it,

26,---3
4,---1
22,---2
32,---3
next i bet on dozen 1,2 £5,£5
6,---won +£5
next i bet on dozen 2,3 £5,£5
4,---lost -£10
next i bet on dozen 1,3 £15,£15
36---won +£5

basickly look at the 4th number back al bet it not to be in the same dozen and if we dont win in 4 bets we lose £400.



i have tested it on 50 or spins to get the hang of it it hasnt lost but you can lose if it goes;

3,3,2,1,
3,3,2,1,


because at first i thought it only lost if it went on a run of 8 in the same dozen?   


has it been tested on 1,000s of spins

[MattyMattz]

I've tested it in the past.  It does lose, but its fun to play if you only have a short time.

I managed to get up +445$ then hit a loss on the columns, so I think I'll walk with my 45$ for now.

MM

[TwoCatSam]

Matty

Watch out for muggers!!  A man with that kind of money in his pocket is a sure target!!  Careful where you walk!



Sam

[MattyMattz]

I've already traded it in for 20 chocolate bars and a hackysack... so I'm pretty safe.

Thanks for the warning.

MM

[JLP]

Hi matt,

Is not more secure to play like this instead of betting continually against the last 4 outcomes :

1131
3331
2332 ---> consider only each line

Betting against the last 4 but for example :
1131
w....  let the next 3 spins go
Now we have
3331
w....
Now we have
2332
And so on

The bets are less in this way but maybe more secure.
This system is the same Steve Morgan posted on rouletteforum.net some years back.
I search on my old data on hard disk and found test made by cps10 about steve, ronjo and benmaster pluscoup in relation to the dozens.

In that test you play both dozen and column at the same time??

Cheers,
JLP.-

[lucky_strike]

Hi and thanks for a great post, I read about this system on Turbos site.
Its the same thing as using "Sismographic drawings" and JLP has made a great post about it.

You see you could use them for anything you could think of...
You could even do it just playing one dozen or column, ask JLP he knows a lot about this...

Here is a short test I made trying JLPs Sismographic drawings playing one dozen, not two...



The thing with this kind of strategys is, my humbel opinion, that they all lose and  should only be for fun and we should be prepeard to lose it all.

Cheers LS

[MattyMattz]

JLP,

yes I was playing both at the same time.  And as for your example, I would think your odds are the same either way, but could be wrong.

Thanks,
MM

[MattyMattz]

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