[RNG Cheaters] Re: Difference between RNG and Brick & Mortar casinos

[VLSroulette]

While both forms of casinos do not need to cheat at all in order to come out ahead of the game in the long run, brick and mortar casinos would not risk their license for saving some bucks they are guaranteed to recoup as time goes by; on the other hand, there have been reports from online casino franchises which guarantee the owners they won't wake up with debt. Brett Morton talked about it:

One warning concerned a company offering the chance to establish your own casino. Its advert reveals a nasty can of worms: "Our proprietary random number generator is calculating profit before the winning /losing (sic) number is sent back to the game. You can set a minimum profit that's always kept for you. This also ensures that you will not wake up with $20,000 debts! "

This same company boasts on its own site: "The software is very good, with great control over the profit/winnings. It has the ability to change the winning % per game/table in real-time. Also you can withdraw the profit and limit player's winnings. Games are completely random, if the winning is within the limit. If the bet is causing winning over the set limit, the generator is generating another number until the winning is within the limit (or player loses)."

You can read the whole interview here: nolinks://wizardofodds.com/general/mortoninterview.html

(Brett Morton is the author of Roulette-Playing to Win book)

Victor

[VLSroulette]

Even if the article claims that the exposure by the wizard of odds stopped the listed casinos at the blacklist page ( nolinks://wizardofodds.com/blacklist ) from operating, I still know about several of these online casino "providers" companies in active business such as ReadyMadeCasinos, CasinoSeller and even the Start-Your-Casino franchise (the one pointed by the wizard of odds) still running operations, and I doubt they have removed the code that enables their clients (the actual turnkey casino owners) to having the guarantee of not generating losses from their partnership with them (I.e. straightly cheating their customers by offering an unfair game when win limits set by the online casino owners are to be reached).

You can check the former blacklist page version here: nolinks://web.archive.org/web/20080119193919/nolinks://wizardofodds.com/blacklist

Yes, effectively the three casinos listed:

Joker Club.
HIG Casino.
iX Casino.

have ceased operating and adult pages are in place instead (beware of following the links at that page).

All in all, the blacklisting of the domains worked, but if they were being profitable more likely the casino owners may have simply changed domains and still use the same shady software which guarantees control on players' winnings to them.

The parent online casino provider company is still in place, so as you can see it is not an outrageous theory.

Regards.

[bjmulligan]

  Hi everyone.
                    I have read most posts on this site, great forum btw,and others.
                    I take on board the statements re: The wheel has no memory etc.  However, I believe that short -term
                    randomness can be overcome enough to make small profits. ( please just accept this statement for now)
                    My question is this: Are we just up against the random spin?
                    I appreciate that b+m, and live online spinners may be able to hit against you, especially if you leave a
                    big enough sector open.  But, are the rng wheels random, or can they just hit uncovered/least covered
                    numbers as they like?
                    If this is the case, they are truly unbeatable, and completely out of the equation.
                    Appreciate your thoughts.


                      Thanks bj.


                     ps.   Read vls post re: buying rng casino.   Surely it's illegal to rig wheels?

[VLSroulette]

Hello bjmulligan,

Thanks for making your first post. Welcome to the forum.

Regarding your comment: "are the rng wheels random".

While the numerical data stream can 100% come from a fair generator, if they are used in such a way as described in above posts (generating a TRUE RANDOM number, over and over until one which is not favorable to players arises) they are cheating, using a fair source.

For the matter, the numerical stream can be labelled as "coming from a 100% fair TRUE random number generator"  (misleading). And the worst thing is: this is true. As it is the implementation what is tampered, not the numerical source.

Stay away from the non-reputable RNG casinos.

Your friend,
Victor

[gizmotron]

This is really funny. Anyone that is willing to cheat their customers might as well get cheated too while they are doing it. If I wrote that software, the RNG that includes a cheat function, it would be a good idea to add a special secret layer that cheats the casino too. If you place an exact set of bets over four or five spins then the software could pay off to the player a reasonable win that the casino operator would never suspect. You could have anonymous players come in and take a few winnings without the casino ever knowing it. It's already been proven to have happened with slot machines. That's regulated brick & mortar casinos in the USA that it already happened in. It was carried out by a person working for the gambling regulatory commission. If you can't trust them then nothing is safe. Now they have several people looking at the source code of all the machines. They randomly take a few machine's operating chips and test them. So this can't happen at a land based casino very easy anymore. There is nobody testing the source code of internet casinos. What should that tell you? The only way is to operate a video feed of a real wheel and have the spins confirmed by people really there seeing it.

[gizmotron]

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