[Poll] What to code first for 2009?

[VLSroulette]

At the forum we have the following major goals for 2009:

- Actuals bot (bringing daily actuals for building an ever-increasing fresh actuals library).
- Challenge engine (hosting realtime competitions).
- Testing bot (run system scripts automatically and post daily system charts and overall results for multiple systems).
- Community roulette table (place to hang-out and share table with forum fellows, chat-enabled).

As coding time is limited, please choose your picks for priority. For serving the community better.

Kind regards.
Victor

[Arteinvivo]

At the forum we have the following major goals for 2009:

- Actuals bot (bringing daily actuals for building an ever-increasing fresh actuals library).
- Challenge engine (hosting realtime competitions).
- Testing bot (run system scripts automatically and post daily system charts and overall results for multiple systems).
- Community roulette table (place to hang-out and share table with forum fellows, chat-enabled).

Here is a goal which is tougher to code... making people explore ideas without some members displaying a patronizingly superior attitude.

Good luck.

[VLSroulette]

Here is a goal which is tougher to code... making people explore ideas without some members displaying a patronizingly superior attitude.

Good luck.

Arty! I'm only human mate, I can't code a tolerance/humble button on people!

[MattyMattz]

LOL - I wish Arte!

MM

[gizmotron]

Here is a goal which is tougher to code... making people explore ideas without some members displaying a patronizingly superior attitude.

Good luck.

Arte, I would rather bury the hatchet. Can the exploration of ideas lead to anything that the casino owners might use? If a casino sees an advantage from a playing style, method, or system wouldn't that casino close down that advantage? Is it not each person's responsibility to protect any real advantage in order to exploit that advantage while it still exists? Is it possible to be perceived as cruel, that holding back and protecting, even when being hounded as to the higher good of sharing, that advantage, and killing it in the process? Is it really wrong?

Does a person have the right to protect a thing of value?

[Arteinvivo]

Is it not each person's responsibility to protect any real advantage in order to exploit that advantage

Bliss has asked the right question in this regard. Even though you would explain your modus operandi, nobody would be able to duplicate exactly your technique as you do. In that sense, you technique is protected. I told you about it many times, even though Carlos Santana would teach me his secret chord progression that would not stop him from making money with his music and that would not stop the industry to operate as it has always done.  There is something deeply sad and puerile about this condescending attitude. That's the main reason why i have had problems with you and why i decided to stop posting. It just is not worth it in my mind.

[gizmotron]

There is something deeply sad and puerile about this condescending attitude which i can't accept or even understand. That's the main reason why i have had problems with you and why i decided to stop posting.

I have known it all along. I have known that you can't stand it, that I refuse to kill my dreams so that you can say you hung out with the Zin Master. If I loved you more than my own life I would throw you off a mountain, just to catch you with my rope, just to show you what a jerk you can be. You need someone to share with you the value of things. You need to experience everything you own being taken away from you, like a fire, a tornado, or a hurricane. You actually want the power to destroy Roulette. And you actually want to have it given to you because sharing and losing something in the same moment is a higher form of aspirations. And you think I have an attitude problem.

Now isn't that better getting it off your chest? Now everyone knows why I was tempted to illustrate giving it all away. My baloney joke was me falling to earth and handing the holy grail over to everyone.

If we were Indians of the old west we would scalp each other or die trying. I will never fall to the intimidation that protecting my own is only to be perceived as a condescending attitude.  It's more than that will ever be. And most of all, I still control it.

Am I the only one that regards protection of an advantage as having a value? So what that I torment Arte. He never persuaded me to give it up. Victor, --this discussion is totally at the heart of the spirit of this forum. It's just painful to hear the words.

[Spike]

Is it not each person's responsibility to protect any real advantage in order to exploit that advantage<<<

Absolutely! People always point to Thorp for writing his book on card counting and how stupid he was to give his method away. But times were different in the late 50's. There were no casinos in the States outside of Vegas. And Vegas itself was tiny compared to now. And Thorp wasn't a gambler, he was a math professor who hated gambling.

If he had discovered card counting 30 years later, I can guarantee his attitude would have been different.

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi Victor,

I didn't vote. There was no option for me

From my experiences of projects I'd say:

Order everything by the hours it will take to code.
First code what requires the least time.
Last you code what takes the longest time.

Otherwise there's a HUGE risk that the quickies will "never" be done and we have to wait for "an eternity" for the first addition.

Thanks for all the effort you put into this, Victor!
KFS

[pins]

as the casinos have not changed the rules of roulette. no foolproof system is operating.

[VLSroulette]

Order everything by the hours it will take to code.
First code what requires the least time.
Last you code what takes the longest time.

Ah dear KFS, that's the way the common-sense approach dictates, and was my first option as a coder... shall this be a normal assignment! My 2nd-hand common sense spoke and then reasoned on how about coding features which aren't to be really used first? While the ones which would be appreciated the most are still at the queue? (Regardless of coding difficulty). Then I hit "post new poll". [smiley=im/v6eyes.gif]

[Marven]

Hey Victor.

To be honest, they all are great so It's a bit hard to pick.

Let's see...
Actuals bot: would be great! but we can still wait for those.
Challenge engine: would be super fun! but I guess we could also wait.
Community roulette table: (same as above)
Testing bot: this, I can't wait for.

So I would sort them like this:

The serious/useful stuff:
1) Testing bot
2) Actuals bot

Then, the fun stuff:
3) Community roulette table
4) Challenge engine

Thanks for the great efforts Victor.
VLSroulette.com is THE BEST!

Regards,
Marven

[bliss]

My vote goes to the actuals bot as a priority. Reason being: Don't you need a ready supply of actuals to run each of the other 3 projects?

[lucky_strike]

I think it would be better to have a section "code for dummies" where every one can make there own code and get help from others.
Better then that the majority should depend upon a few.
There is a lot of members ho knows C++ and Java and there i a lot of free software and sites about it.

I think it would be great to see how members interact and learn, this is what this forum is about.

That is my vote.

LS

[TwoCatSam]

Victor

Before I vote, could you give a brief example of what the challenge and testing bots do? 

Are you accepting suggestions for an automatic number giver/results recorder as we once spoke about?

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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