[Poll] What to code first for 2009?

[bliss]

There is a lot of members ho knows C++ and Java and there i a lot of free software and sites about it.

LS, both of these languages are more suited to professional programmers.  C++ is a terrible language for a newbie, trust me on this. Java is easier to learn but still heavyweight and not particularly suited to the kind of coding that's needed for testing systems, it's also very verbose (you need to do a lot of typing). Both of them are object-oriented, which adds to the learning curve.

I would recommend Python as a first language: nolinks://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide

[VLSroulette]

@Marven
Thanks for your kind words. Notice taken on the serious stuff first.

@Bliss
"Don't you need a ready supply of actuals to run each of the other 3 projects?"

There's already like 4.000.000 spins to be provided by kelly, as well as the other legacy spins like the ones at wiesbaden, so we aren't to be precisely short on existing actuals... the bot is only to fetch and bring new daily ones in an automated fashion, to increase the library by the day! Useful, yes, but we could live a few months with previous ones

@Lucky Strike
"I think it would be better to have a section "code for dummies" where every one can make there own code and get help from others."
Days on which people needs an RX coder are to be over as we are to use the flexible php language as scripting language.

It is easy to learn AND base functions such as whichDozen, whichColumn, bankroll, neighbours and others are to be included by default at the testing environment so people can focus on their system's functionality and not writing core functions.

You can start fiddling with the PHP language at nolinks.php.net

Of course, file functions are to be disabled. Only file access needed I think is for reading the actuals folder.
This scripting implementation still needs more logistics, but by using the free php language for everyone from newbies to old timers to code is good. Like Lanky would say, a "W".

@Samster
"could you give a brief example of what the challenge and testing bots do?  "
Challenge engine IS the "automatic number giver/results recorder" as we once spoke! (Challenge-o-matic, that's just a rename).

Testing bot is setup to build a library of results from systems against recorded actuals. User inputs a system script, saves it to the server, and chooses casino & date range to test the system against. Results are then posted at a single thread at the testing section for the benefit of everyone, charts included.

Also it can be setup to test against FUTURE actuals (after the actuals bot is running daily).

This can be achieved by locking up system script from edits and have it scheduled to be run starting one day after submission using actuals as they come daily. This will be the definite tool against a system being accused with "reverse engineering" arguments.

Kind regards,
Victor

[bliss]

lol, looks like we've got a language war starting here. 

It's funny how coders get attached to their favourite programming language, next Arte will appear with many reasons to use excel. 

LS, aren't you using Linux? you should already have Python installed. I'm not trying to plug it (in fact, it's not the language I use), but I think it's one of the best as a first programming language.

[gizmotron]

Days on which people needs an RX coder are to be over as we are to use the flexible php language as scripting language.

It is easy to learn AND base functions such as whichDozen, whichColumn, bankroll, neighbours and others are to be included by default at the testing environment so people can focus in their system's functionality and not writing core functions.

You can start fiddling with the PHP language at nolinks.php.net
Victor

COOL! I'll just learn PHP  What war?

[bliss]

Victor, not arguing with you regarding PHP, but don't you need a server to run it? just thinking it might be tricky for a newbie to set up...

[mistarlupo]

I would recommend Python as a first language: nolinks://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide

Pascal is another option as teaching language. I don't really like Delphi, but it's good for beginners.
Regarding the new coding section, it's a nice idea but let's first have this testing bot done.

Take care,
m

[VLSroulette]

We all need to look at PHP for two reasons: it is FREE and it is server-based (as the testing bot is).

With a generous upgrade we will hopefully be able to work with uncompressed actuals for superb batch-testing speeds! (better if the server don't need to uncompress zipped files to run tests, although we know plain text vs compressed files ratio can get huge, who cares, if we get resources we better squeeze them [smiley=laugh.gif] ).

By the way, only 2 days to move from this server! I'm already scrubbing the web for the best providers. Subscriptions from these two days till Feb. 01 will determine what service will we move to , so if some of you guys want to be supporting, this is the best time!

Hey Gizmo! Runtime Rev. sounds good for the fellows to learn for offline testing. Feel free to submit your own tutorials to our coding zone [smiley=thumbup.gif]. The more roulette coders at the community the better, no matter which language

Regards.
Victor

[bliss]

There's already like 4.000.000 spins to be provided by kelly, as well as the other legacy spins like the ones at wiesbaden, so we aren't to be precisely short on existing actuals... the bot is only to fetch and bring new daily ones in an automated fashion, to increase the library by the day! Useful, yes, but we could live a few months with previous ones

ok, point taken Victor. In that case my vote goes to the testing bot.

[VLSroulette]

Victor, not arguing with you regarding PHP, but don't you need a server to run it? just thinking it might be tricky for a newbie to set up...

Not neccesarily, we just provide a ready-to-use testing environment at our newly-gotten server when we move, precisely to avoid people to hire/setup hosting just to learn. As it is free for all, with a large userbase of roulette programmers testing and submitting scripts to run continually, they'll be sorry for hosting us [smiley=lolk.gif], but the roulette community will benefit!

This time we intend to squeeze the resources and make it truly the roulette-community-oriented server!
Victor

[lucky_strike]

LS, both of these languages are more suited to professional programmers.  C++ is a terrible language for a newbie, trust me on this. Java is easier to learn but still heavyweight and not particularly suited to the kind of coding that's needed for testing systems, it's also very verbose (you need to do a lot of typing). Both of them are object-oriented, which adds to the learning curve.

I would recommend Python as a first language: nolinks://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide

Thanks Bliss.
That is what i need, learn the easy but effective way to develop as an person and as an part of my hobby.

LS, aren't you using Linux?

Yes i am

LS

[gizmotron]

Hey Gizmo! Runtime Rev. sounds good for the fellows to learn for offline testing. Feel free to submit your own tutorials to our coding zone [smiley=thumbup.gif]. The more roulette coders at the community the better, no matter which language

RunRev is coming out with an embedded plug-in, like shockwave. I will be able to put up working examples of sims, where the user can specify the groups to be tested. They will be viewable by just clicking on the web page, but they will get their processing power from each viewers own computer. In that way your servers won't take a processing hit. I can teach that too. I'm an advanced developer for beta testing new features for RunRev. Do you allow the embed tag?

Example HTML

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<object width="550" height="400">
<param name="movie" value="somefilename.swf">
<embed src="somefilename.swf" width="550" height="400">
</embed>
</object>

Your feature could be one lined:

[embed src="nolinks://nolinks.myplace.com/somefilename.swf" width="550" height="400"]My Sim for Martingale[/embed]

[bliss]

@ LS, if you're running Ubuntu, open a terminal (click on Applications/Accessories/Terminal), then type "python". You should get this appearing:

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Python 2.5.2 (r252:60911, Jul 31 2008, 17:28:52)
[GCC 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.


Then type:

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print "hello world"

you've just written your first Python program. 

@ Victor, that sounds great, I might even learn PHP myself.

[lucky_strike]

Thanks Bliss.
I run Ubuntu and it works.

Bliss you make me so [smiley=1/jump.gif]



LS

[The Spiders Kiss]

Victor
Testing bot gets my vote.
What a  thing to have
TSK

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

Hi Victor,

I wrote:

From my experiences of projects I'd say:

Having second thoughts: I've never been involved in a project that hasn't got a time-frame.


I vote for the testing-bot.

/KFS

[Kon-Fu-Sed]

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