HEY GUYS I HAVE CHANGED THE TITLE.
THE RULES.
WE PLAY ONLY TWO COLUMNS OR TWO DOZENS AT ONE TIME, ALTERNATING THE WHOLE TIME.
IF YOU HIT A ZERO JUST BACKTRACK AND PLAY WHAT IS NEXT COLUMN OR DOZEN.
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IF YOU HIT A ZERO JUST KEEP GOING
YOU USE THE PROGRESSION BELOW
5-5-5-15-45-135-200 THESE ARE FIVE DOLLAR UNITS
GIVE IT A GO I THINK THIS METHOD CAN MAKE MONEY IF YOU USE THE LWS BY Steve.
STUART
Betting on history does not work, many people have tried variations of it and they all fail (in the long run) you could get lucky though.
i have a new theory now that EVERY system is a winner untill you lose real money on it
This could work! Dozens and columns are antagonists most of the time what means that if one makes chops the other makes streaks. It has to be tested. With Wiztek 12 spin progression it could work. I discovered something similar by tweaking Hammy's dozens and will post at Hammy's thread when I have a time.
Tried this on dublin bet rng. Bankroll went from £500 up to £575 playing 5 pound chips. Then lost the full bankroll within 4 minutes. :-X
Thats roulette..
YOU SHOULD USE A SMALLER UNIT SIZE.
I USE FIVE DOLLAR UNITS WE WILL SEE IF IT HOLDS UP, I MAY HAVE TO PLAY VIRTUAL FOR A FEW SPINS BEFORE IT STARTS GETTING BAD.
THIS IS LIKE MY SYSTEM FROM LAST YEAR.
LAST LOST DOZENS
LAST WON DOZENS
STUART :biggrin:
Quote from: bikemotorman
ANY IDEAS
Turn off Caps Lock?
AFTER SOME TESTING THE RESULTS ARE VERY GOOD.
SO GOOD THAT IT IS SCARING ME
I HAVE GONE TO PLAYING, LAST COLUMNS LAST DOZENS ONLY.
THE SINGLE COLUMNS AND LAST DOZEN ONLY IS TOO HARD FOR ME I WOULD HAVE TO GO WAY UP ON THE PROGRESSION.
HERE IS HOW TO PLAY IT BELOW IF YOU HIT A ZERO KEEP GOING.
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
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CAN SOMEBODY TEST THIS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT HOLDS UP, IT SURE IS ON JEBET AND REALWELL.
STUART BRANDT
I FORGOT TO MENTION YOU ARE ALTERNATING BETWEEN THE LAST WON COLUMNS AND THEN TO THE LAST WON DOZENS, FOR SOME REASON WHEN YOU ADD THE COLUMNS YOU SEEM TO LOSE LESS.
BUT I THINK SOMEONE SAID THE COLS ACT THE OPPOSITE OF DOZENS.
STUART
I HAVE DONE A BUNCH OF TESTING AND THE IDEA IS WORKING WELL.
I THINK I SAW THE MOST FOUR LOSSES IN A ROW, IF I WERE TO USE A VIRTUAL PLAY AND WAIT FOR LETS SAY 3 LLLS
IN A ROW THEN PLAY WITH MONEY THIS WOULD WORK PRETTY WELL.
WHEN I WAS MESSING WITH THIS METHOD LAST YEAR I ONLY PLAYED LWD, THEN LLD.
IT SEEMS INTRODUCING THE COLUMNS HAS PUT A STRANGE TWIST ON THIS IDEA OF THIS METHOD.
SO PLAY LIKE SO BELOW IS REALLY PUSHING THE ENVELOPE A BIT NOW IT POSSIBLE THAT THE COLUMNS SKIP BACK AND FORTH WITH THE DOZENS BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
ZERO COULD ALSO HIT SIX TIMES IN A ROW TOO I THINK THEY HAD A WHEEL DO THAT IN VEGAS, I THINK TWO YEARS AGO LOL.
NOW PEOPLE LOOK TO PLAY ZERO ON THAT WHEEL ALL THE TIME LOL.
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
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LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN TEST THIS ON 100,000 SPINS.
STUART BRANDT
I did more testing and it still is holding up well now I need to come up with a plan to use lws on this and maybe a small progression.
This deal is strange by adding the Columns I now am losing less lol.
Could someone test this on a double zero wheel it may do well.
Stuart
Well I had some fun on Jbet today with my method and did well too.
I played the same method.
LWCS
LWDS
Guys I need someone to test this on oo wheel here in the states.
Who is up to the task and of good reputation.
I will front some cash if I have too for gas.
Let me know.
Stuart
I just finished 30 minutes play of your remarkable system on RNGs and grind like Scrooge $50 with $1 minimum and with Wiztek progression. I have an idea! What about bet the same dozen or column after win (let it ride) for catching the streaks. It happens many times that even the same number come 2 times in row. Change to opposite gender (D/C) only if loss. The idea is let the streaks exploit by preserving the bankroll.
Hermes
Hi Hermes I will work on it you understand I am playing last two columns that came or last two dozens that came on this post.
I think this is a long term winner if you use the lws registry like Lanky or Victor this is a long term winner in my opinion.
If the player plays with my method then utilize the LWS they should do well the most losses I have seen in row is three on single 0 wheel, the american wheel should be a bit worse.
You should cover the ZeroS when you use bigger bets like Steve Morgan or Lanky they always cover Zeros with there method.
Stuart
Just played for an hour in DB ( play money ). basic bet 10 u per dozen/column. Progression: 1-2-6-18. From 500u to 665u in 58 minutes. maximum losses in a row: 2. Never went below initial bankroll.
I could play this at the local mechanical wheel, if it wins about 2 out of 3 spins, that's €40 an hour, with a 1-2-6-18-54 progression. Bankroll: €164 ( plus a bit extra for zero ), double bankroll in 4 hours... Loses only with 5 L in a row in less than 160 spins..
I'd love to see the max number of losses in 100,000 spins, and the number of 4L and 5 L.
None of you seem to understand that this won't work, why or even how to test it properly. You can't judge the merit of a bet selection, with or without a progression, by playing a few hundred spins or an hour on a live wheel. Sorry to break it to you, but your findings and your research thus far is utterly meaningless. Literally, it is all irrelevant. People tend to complain about losing because they test a bet for two or three hundred spins and think they've got the grail. They shoot off to the casino and lose their shirt in the first session.
You need to test at least 5,000 bets before you can start to gauge how good a system is. 10,000 bets is better. In that sample you will likely learn about what your maximum drawdown could be, what SD that represents, how much worse it could possibly get and how exposed you are to ruin etc. This is all vital information and you can't get it by analysing a few hundred spins, which is how 95% of members of this forum test their bet selections - that's why everyone here thinks, and many claim, that they've got a winning system. You need to learn RX coding or even excel, so you can test these types of progressions bets quickly and easily. Then you can bin them, move on and waste another three months messing round with another great idea.
I am playing two colums or dozens at a time alterating.
Last columns
Last dozens
Last columns
Last dozens
Last columns
That is it throwing in the columns seems to help.
I need someone to test this on american wheel spins.
Stuart
bikemotorman,
Why do you need someone else to test it for you? Do it yourself. Wait, you can't be bothered, right?
Or perhaps try to incorporate some element of politeness into your request for help, such as using the phrase "can someone help me test this, please?" instead of "I need this testing". Unbelievable.
Biky, what do you mean under LWCS or LWDS? You wait for one win as a trigger to bet? It is not clear.
Hermes
Sorry about that umber six I forgot to say please I apologize for my lack of common sense.
Would a member of the forum please help test my method I would be very grateful.
Stuart
Hi hermes play the last two columns then the last two dozens you alternate
Between the two.
You are playing 24 numbers.
Last two columns
Last two dozens
Lasr two columns
Last two dozens
Last two columns
Last two dozens
Last two columns
Last two dozens
That is it you are playing 24 numbers.
Thank you
Stuart
Biky that's already a little risky? If you play 2 D or 2 C and big streak of losses come the bankroll is gone in no time!
How do you want to play it? With progression or flat?
I played another 30 minutes the old way but if D or C won I let it ride and made on $1 minimum $79 with Wiztek progression. I came once to bet $45. I played every spin. There came streaks on D 6 in row and on C 5 in row. Why not exploit that situations?
Good job Biky! Keep going like Energizer!
Hermes
Hi Hermes I see your point about playing two dozens you are playing one doz or column only correct.
Try playing my way and see what happens, somehow by mixing the columns and the last dozens it seems to win more or lose less give it a try.
You are playing 24 numbers.
Last two columns
Last two dozens
Lasr two columns
Last two dozens
Last two columns
Last two dozens
Last two columns
Last two dozens
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 05, 2010, 05:15:41 PM
Hi Hermes I see your point about playing two dozens you are playing one doz or column only correct.
Try playing my way and see what happens, somehow by mixing the columns and the last dozens it seems to win more or lose less give it a try.
Stuart
I've played a few one hour sessions and the wins are a clearly more than twice the losses. Also, I still have to see one LLL. I agree with Number Six in that anything less than several thousand spins is not significant, I do them myself, but that is more so for long progressions. With a short 1-2-6 progression, I have recovered the initial (play money ) stake in 2/3 session, more than once . Very different from a 15 step progression, where you win and win, for many sessions, and then watch how it's all wiped out. Obviously, several sessions from hell could be around the corner, but it's interesting how, so far, every time I get significantly more than twice as many wins as losses, though I'm only covering 24 numbers.
Hermes posted that columns and dozens don't work the same dozens seem run in streaks while columns work like women you can never tell what she will do lol.
My wife is the same when she is good she is great when she is mad she will run you over with the car lol.
Please we shall keep testing.
Stuart
Ok, my two friends Biky and Jeromin you are still keeping secret how you play the 2 D/C - with some progression or strictly flat bets? I think progression on 2 dozens or columns will be dangerous adventure but I know one progression which will fix the problem.
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: hermes on January 05, 2010, 08:38:30 PM
Ok, my two friends Biky and Jeromin you are still keeping secret how you play the 2 D/C - with some progression or strictly flat bets? I think progression on 2 dozens or columns will be dangerous adventure but I know one progression which will fix the problem.
Cheers Hermes
NO secrets, Hermes. As I mentioned above, I was using 1-2-6, though I' considering moving to 1-3-9 to speed things up, get a quick win and get out: bankroll 26u, quit on 7u won ( or bust ), initial BR safely out of the way in four good sessions. I'd test it on paper but am not as quick with columns as I am with dozens. BTW, the L are just under the 1/2 ratio, no big deviation, spoke too soon before. It's the LLL that are not showing... so far. Like I said before, even if they do, if it's at the current rate, an occasional loss would be sustainable. Testing will tell ( Number Six: "No it won't!!" ;D)
We could borrow the progression from The Leveller system. The Leveller bets on 2 columns against the last coming.
It puts on each column: 1 unit - 2 units - 4 units - 8 units, after 4th level you bet the 8/8 units until you get back all the chips you had at first bet or more. The progression holds you over the water at bad times. I tried it and it really works.
Jeromin thanks for revealing the secret to me.
Hermes
Remember all you play is the last hit columns then the last hit dozens over and over and over.
I use a very mild progression.
Five dollar units.
5 10 15 25 40 50 75 95 STOP
Stuart
Hi stuart..I'll keep this in mind and post some live 00 actuals that u asked for on 1-2 hour plays with my usual visits..I threw away alot of underwear in the past playin full time at one wheel on em..but love the bets when workin 2 or three wheels at a time..Hit n run... thanks for sharin..
You know Number six really has a point there..about learnin to use this RX program..I really don't think it takes a programming degree or such..it's been out for awhile..I'm sure u don't need to know COBAL to get it..probably a huge learning curve.. but all software comes with 500 pg manuals..part of the norm...beside i think it would impress any babes that u gone another level besides pure gambling..like a mad scientist...i defiantly would include a couple of lab viles with smoky dry ice to add to the effect..yep..i gonna get one...thanks number six..
Quote from: poxet pool on January 06, 2010, 02:43:03 AM
You know Number six really has a point there..about learnin to use this RX program..
He does, you're right. I already bought the software, and checking things by hand is very time consuming. The prospect of verifying yet another variation by hand over 3,000 spins puts me off, which is a pity, because I'd like to test all sorts of ideas. Incidentally, hammy might be right about Wiesbaden not being representative, got some really weird results last night, testing this very system: a 4L and a 5L side by side, right at the start, and lots of L's. The progression suggested by Hermes works better than my own in that case.
Maybe someone could open a tutorial thread for RX students? Pretty please? This site needs testing testing testing. Plenty methods already as it is.
Was that on a 00 wheel, I have seen at the most on Jebet 3 losses in a row but that sure may not be the session from hell.
Thanks for your help, I will be testing on Jebet later today.
Stuart
Wiesbaden , single 0. File available in actuals/permanences section, posted by Homeito.
Backtesting is non-sense guys, it doesn't matter if it is on roulette or stocks and currency trading!!! Past and present are most of the time different. Only forwards testing on Forex is accurate and the same is valid for game testings. Only real game testing gives real results (not RNGs).
Long time ago I had a HG for a half a year and then lost 6 times in row, all real casino wheels!
Hermes
Is there a problem with JEBET I keep losing my connection.
I was testing my method and kept getting the connection cut oh well I guess no more testing on Jebet.
I am in the US.
Stuart
I was just thinking: with this system there's no need to decide whether to start with dozens or colums, they both work. It follows then, that if you bet on both at the same time, you'd do twice as well. If not, then why alternate? The only trick would be to keep track of loses, not for columns vs. dozens, but for "threads", i.e., track the d/c/d/c and the c/d/c/d threads separately. Practically impossible in your head, doable on paper.
In theory, it'd be no more risky than playing two consecutive sessions ( though you'd need to double the bankroll ), in practice one loss might be offset by a win in the parallel thread .Does it make sense?
Are you saying playing last columns and last dozens in unison not alternating at all I might get dizzy lol.
How many numbers would we cover at the same time, I am getting dizzy just thinking about it I would assume one bankroll for columns
One bankroll for dozens.
Stuart
Now I really have a headache jeromin you can try playing the both in unison but that would be hedging yes I guess.
Stuart
Yes you do alternate. In reality, it's like playing two different games in the same table. One thread may be winning, while the other is in the middle of a progression. I was thinking that somehow one of the games might compensate for the losses in the other, but I tested it and they are quite independent. It's just an unecessary complication.
How many losses have you seen in a row.
I like to alternate columns then dozens Hermes posted that columns ying while dozens yang.
Maybe whe can get a balanced win lol.
Stuart
Do any of these online casinos accept US players yet.
I would be willing to play a hundred bucks worth.
Saint Jeromin, if you play 2 independent games (opposite phases) you need 2 bankrolls, one for each but you should expect win also double? On the other hand we should not let advice our decisions by greed.
Bike, I am afraid they accept from USA only Obama but he plays only Texas Hold Them poker.
Hermes
Win double on average, but not offset a loss with a win, as they are independent, which was my initial idea. The two bets are independent. This was probably obvious for any smart person, but I had to check it to find out :scratch_ones_head: Which means, I might as well simply double the unit value and double the bankroll, less complication and same result on average.
Hermes how does the leveller progression go with five dollar units also are you in the US.
Stuart
I PLAYED ON JEBET TODAY AND DID PRETTY GOOD.
THIS IS ONE HOUR OF PLAY.
PLAY LAST COLUMNS THEN LAST DOZENS NON STOP FIVE DOLLAR UNITS
WLWLWWWWWLWWLWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWLWLWWWWWLW
THIS WAS ALTERNATING THE WHOLE SESSION I WAS AHEAD 200 DOLLARS WITH FIVE DOLLAR UNITS, AFTER A LOSS I WOULD UP TO 15 DOLLARS ON THE LAST COLUMNS OR DOZENS.
STUART :)
Quote from: Jeromin on January 06, 2010, 07:58:34 PM
Win double on average, but not offset a loss with a win, as they are independent, which was my initial idea. The two bets are independent.
On further testing, there actually seem not to be independet, but positively correlated. I was hoping they'd be negatively correlated. In a very bad session ( DB ) , from the ones posted by sushie in the actuals section starting with dozens or with columns, I get almost the same result: 24w 18 L vs. 23W 17L. It's atypical though. In most cases, the win/loss ration is slightly batter than 2/1. So, crisscrossing only doubles the danger of a bad session.
Ok, I've done some testing with the actuals posted by sushie and Gogocro. 9 sessions:
ratio of wins to losses ( theoretical ratio 2, excluding zero)
2.9, 2.4, 2.3, 3.1, 1.3, 2.2, 2.4, 2.8, 2
Biggest win: 23u ( also longest session, 61 spins )
Biggest Loss 1u
Biggest drawdown: 43 u.
Progression: hermes' Leveller system:
1-2-4-8, continue with 8/8 till reaching initial BR.
It's a small sample, but the win loss ratio so far is higher than the expected 2/1. Also, there's two LLLL and four LLL.
The ratio look extremely good with support by the strong Leveller progression. The Leveller progression doesn't win every session but on the end wins more than lose. Very tough progression.
Hermes
Just finished a session from Hell, on DB. I still came out with profit ( play money profit :( ).
WWWLLLLLWWLWLWWWLWWWLWWWLWWWWWWWLLWWWW
Starts off pretty poorly, 1/1 ratio in the first 12 spins, and five losses in a row, new record for me, after a few dozen sessions. Goes to show, in Roulette anything's possible. But at the end the ratio goes to 26/12, about 2.2.
The Leveller system goes deeper in the red (-43 u at one stage ) but recovers 8 spins quicker than 1-2-6 stop. It's all a matter of preference, I'm more comfortable with a smaller stop loss of about 36 u ( 2 full progressions lost, rare enough). The important thing is, even in a tough session, the system's recovered in 24 to 32 spins. It's a resilient system
Wow, the curse of real money. Played my first session with cash after a couple dozen session for play money...got wiped out! half my bets lost, after covering two thirds of the board, 40w/40L. Important to have a stop loss, I guess. Betting the max till you recover can reaaaaly get you in the red. Just a warning.
SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR TROUBLE. :(
I PLAYED ON JEBET TODAY TAKE A LOOK TWO HOURS I THINK.
PLAY LAST SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST SPUN DOZENS OVER AND OVER AGAIN
WWLLWLLWLLWWWWLWWLLWLLLWLWWWLWLLWLLLWWLLLWWLWWLLLWLWWWWLLLWWLWWWLLLW
THIS IS THE PROGRESSION I AM USING BELOW IN FIVE DOLLAR UNITS
5-5-5-15-45-135-200 DOLLARS ON EACH COLUMNS OR DOZENS
STUART
Jeromin was it RNG or live wheels? If RNGs I am not surprised. Cannot go 50/50 on live roulette.
Hermes
WAS IT ON DOUBLE ZERO AMERICAN WHEEL OR SINGLE ZERO.
LET US KNOW.
IS THERE ANYWEAR WE IN THE USA CAN PLAY ONLINE.
TWOCAT SAYS HE PLAYS ONLINE.
STUART
Quote from: hermes on January 09, 2010, 01:46:37 PM
Jeromin was it RNG or live wheels? If RNGs I am not surprised. Cannot go 50/50 on live roulette.
Hermes
Live. It can and it did. Don't have the actuals with me now, will post them when I get a chance. Session of around 5:10 pm GMT, yesterday. Table 2.
I LIKE MY PROGRESSION BETTER.
I PLAY NON STOP WITH THE BELOW PROGRESSION.
I DONT RISE IN STAKES TILL I HIT 3LLL IN A ROW THEN I GO UP.
5-5-5-15-45-135-200 DOLLARS ON EACH COLUMNS OR DOZENS
STUART
what's your winning target?
50 PERCENT OF THE BANKROLL
SO IF YOUR BANKROLL IS 1000 DOLLARS HOPE TO WIN 500 FOR THE DAY.
NOT SURE IF THAT IS POSSIBLE BUT WHO KNOWS.
STUART
I FORGOT TO ASK WHAT WAS THE MOST LOSSES IN A ROW YOU HAD ON TABLE TWO.
JUST CURIOUS.
STUART :D
I've only played with cash this system a couple of times. I usually write down sessions from table one, for no particular reason. I also checked some sessions posted on the actuals section by sushie, mostly from table 2.
A progression that covers 6xL seems like a good idea. But 100 u won in one session? every time you lose L, you're down 2u, every time you lose 2L you're down 4u, you have to recover from those. That might easily bring the session to 150 spins...
Jeromin how many losses did you have in row.
What progression did you use please let me know.
I am trying to find out if this method has serious promise
For the future.
Thank you for your help.
Stuart
Has anyone heard from babs as of late
Is he in the UK.
I think if we play virtual till three llls that would help save our bankroll after that just use a progression but a mild one at that.
Hey guys can I rename this thread?
Stuart
QuoteHas anyone heard from babs as of late
Hey Motorman... I was on holiday with the wife and kids. 10 splendid days by the sea. Was huge fun, and long overdue. First family holiday in 7 years (I do not count visits to grandparents as family holidays). Usually we only visit my parents or inlaws when taking some leave... this was great.
I was not able to continue my test of Mr.J's method since we had no cellphone reception, thus no internet.
QuoteIs he in the UK.
Nope, I live in South Africa.
Hi stuart..heres some actals from 4 tables last nite..00 wheels..i did not try ur system.. was mixing other stuff together but check it out..
1st table 2nd table 3rd table 4th table
32 25 2 29
25 22 19 0
1 1 21 7
1 4 24 8
31 2 1 21
3 32 11 34
30 13 24 20
11 18 33 29
22 17 17
4 6 10 9
16 1 30 34
16 2 21 20
24 6 23 4
17 1 26 16
8 00 24 28
30 16 3 12
17 24 24 18
32 18 25 4
32 5 32
33 24
11
I am reading this on my blackberry what are the numbers doing is it good or bad lol?
Stuart
The 3 tables are OK only the 4Th has a 17 chops on dozen. Therefore, it is excellent idea to alternate the D/C to not get catch in big fight with the chops. It is called diversification in stock/forex trading.
Are the numbers from RNGs or live wheels? I start to be suspicious about the live wheels also! The software knows where the players bet and what the players bet. It decide fast what number to spin for the advantage of the casino to win more and lose less with the help of magnets in game. It would be almost the same disadvantage as RNGs. In that case Baccarat would be the only fair game to play.
Too many complains about strange numbers game coming lately on online live roulette, is it not suspicious?
Devil never sleeps.
Hermes
:diablo:
Hi hermes..they are from live B&M casino plays..I played insides a little bit but hung around sipping suds for 20 so spins.. on each tables..Suspicious of live wheels hermes..u think they still use magnets? Gaming commission would frown on that. Thats why i play live..harder for them to cheat..a real laugh happened on the 4th table.. a guy came up and put a quarter on 34 and 36..totally shocked he missed the column boxes he could not take them down after no more bets called..begging and pleading no help.. Casino law has no excuse for ignorance..guess what he walked away with 875..never underestimate luck...that lucky stiff...yea looked like the 4th table would have been a tough one for a doz. player..
lol nice title if only it was true
IT IS THE TRUTH AS LONG AS YOU USE VICTORS LWS METHOD WITH MY METHOD.
Stuart
Ill take a look and post my results in your thread ;)
Poxed pool, the commission is from government and the casinos income (at least in Canada) belongs mostly to government politicians. There could be no better cover up for fraud like in casinos. Politicians replaced mafia in casinos because they smell money. It started in Las Vegas and went through the whole North America. The slot machines pay peanuts and nobody can do anything because the crime is protected by politicians. It is a legal crime the same sheet like justice in America. Who has money and power owns the justice and all casinos.
Hi hermes..not here in usa..slots rule..everyday they pull out tables to make more room for slots..Big cash cow..too lose all that profit by rigging the wheel or loading dices would be to risky..would be a lawyers goldmine to tap into casino banks with mass lawsuits...and politicians would lose votes...u wouldn't believe all the trouble and huge fines they pay when they get caught allowing a underage player in..
Bikemotorman..thanks for inspiring me to look into victors LWS
No problem just use my method while playing virtual then when you have four losses in a row bet the big bucks just make sure you cover the zeros lol.
Stuart
i can't believe it.. it's almost a guarantee those ugly greens come up when i play...even when i jump around...Do like the wait n see...and learn more of victors mm method...thanks
I cant find much on victors method there dosent seem to be too many detailed posts that explain the system
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 09, 2010, 07:51:19 PM
Jeromin how many losses did you have in row.
What progression did you use please let me know.
I am trying to find out if this method has serious promise
For the future.
Thank you for your help.
Stuart
Apologies for late reply. I'm on holidays in a small Portguese town with little internet access.
Here's the session:
c= bet on column; d= bet on dozen
number
12
22
13 c
8 d
10 c
12 d
11 c
25 d
6 c
25 d
18 c
1 d
11 c
10 d
36 c
2 d
11 c
36 d
35 c
12 d
1 c
29 d
30 c
27 d
34 c
24 d
27 c
25 d
8 c
16 d
24 c
24 d
5 c
28 d
18 c
22 d
30 c
6 d
28 c
0 0
24 d
15 c
6 d
22 c
14 d
6 c
36 d
23 c
0 0
35 d
9 c
1 d
3 c
30 d
5 c
8 d
13 c
36 d
31 c
WWWWLLLWWLLWLWWWWWWWLWLLWWLLLWLLLWWLW0LWLWWLLW0WWWWWLWLLW
W:32
L: 23
ratio:1.4
there were actually two more W and two fewer Lthan I initially counted. More importantly, a 4th Loss was actually a win, but I bet wrong and lost :( 22 after 18 was actualy on the same dozen. I'll go over the bankroll for this session using different progressions when I get a chance.
Hi I hope you played two columns AND two dozens.
THE RULES.
WE PLAY ONLY TWO COLUMNS OR TWO DOZENS AT ONE TIME, ALTERNATING THE WHOLE TIME.
IF YOU HIT A ZERO JUST BACKTRACK AND PLAY WHAT IS NEXT COLUMNS OR DOZENS.
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
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IF YOU HIT A ZERO JUST KEEP GOING
YOU USE THE PROGRESSION BELOW
5-5-5-15-45-135-200 THESE ARE FIVE DOLLAR UNITS
GIVE IT A GO I THINK THIS METHOD CAN MAKE MONEY IF YOU USE THE LWS CONCEPT BY VICTOR.
I WAIT FOR THE LOSSES IN VIRTUAL MODE THEN PLAY FOR REAL WITH THE ABOVE PROGRESSION.
THANK YOU
STUART :)
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 13, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
GIVE IT A GO I THINK THIS METHOD CAN MAKE MONEY
you think? i thought this was the real deal mate!
I AM OF THE OPINION THAT WHEN YOU KEEP A LOSS WIN REGISTER, AND HAVE A GOOD BANKROLL THIS METHOD CAN MAKE MONEY.
BECAUSE YOU PLAY FOR A TIME IN VIRTUAL MODE THEN PLAY WITH MONEY A BIT LATER YOU START THE GAME AT A BETTER TIME TO SPOT A SHORT TERM TREND.
YOU CAN NEVER BEAT THE CASINO BUT YOU CAN RIDE AND PROFIT FROM A SHORT TERM TREND.
STUART
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 13, 2010, 01:14:49 PM
I AM OF THE OPINION THAT WHEN YOU KEEP A LOSS WIN REGISTER, AND HAVE A GOOD BANKROLL THIS METHOD CAN MAKE MONEY.
BECAUSE YOU PLAY FOR A TIME IN VIRTUAL MODE THEN PLAY WITH MONEY A BIT LATER YOU START THE GAME AT A BETTER TIME TO SPOT A SHORT TERM TREND.
YOU CAN NEVER BEAT THE CASINO BUT YOU CAN RIDE AND PROFIT FROM A SHORT TERM TREND.
STUART
stuart are you aware that typing in capitals is regarded as screaming lol, just some computer etiquette
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 13, 2010, 01:14:49 PM
YOU CAN NEVER BEAT THE CASINO
Alot of people beat the casino, some tell and more dont
Quote from: bikemotorman link=topic=13767. msg92078#msg92078 date=1263055584
SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR TROUBLE. :(
I PLAYED ON JEBET TODAY TAKE A LOOK TWO HOURS I THINK.
PLAY LAST SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST SPUN DOZENS OVER AND OVER AGAIN
WWLLWLLWLLWWWWLWWLLWLLLWLWWWLWLLWLLLWWLLLWWLWWLLLWLWWWWLLLWWLWWWLLLW
THIS IS THE PROGRESSION I AM USING BELOW IN FIVE DOLLAR UNITS
5-5-5-15-45-135-200 DOLLARS ON EACH COLUMNS OR DOZENS
STUART
the progression looks very good, is there anyway to make it a little softer? i like the 5-5-5-15 then it jumps heaps to 45!
still the progression and system looks promising,
WELL MY CRAZY METHOD IS STILL CHUGGING ALONG LOL.
PLAY LAST SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST SPUN DOZENS
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^^^^
I reached 4 losses in a row not a problem the system is holding up and pretty well Can someone please do a RX on double zero zero spins.
I have a guy who may play this in a casino for me maybe.
Stuart
WELL IT HAD TO HAPPEN I LOST MY PRETEND BANKROLL AT JEBET TODAY. :shout:
YES I HAD 3 LOSSES IN A ROW THEN I RAISED UP TO 200 BUCKS A COLUMN AND WHAM I LOST.
GUESS WHAT I DID, YOU GOT IT I FORGOT TO COVER ZERO LOL LOL THE METHOD IS FINE, I MUCKED UP LOL.
YES IT WAS MY STUPID FAULT LOL, SO WHEN YOU HIT YOUR BIGGER BETS COVER THE ZERO.. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
STUART ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 19, 2010, 05:33:00 PM
WELL IT HAD TO HAPPEN I LOST MY PRETEND BANKROLL AT JEBET TODAY. :shout:
YES I HAD 3 LOSSES IN A ROW THEN I RAISED UP TO 200 BUCKS A COLUMN AND WHAM I LOST.
GUESS WHAT I DID, YOU GOT IT I FORGOT TO COVER ZERO LOL LOL THE METHOD IS FINE, I MUCKED UP LOL.
YES IT WAS MY STUPID FAULT LOL, SO WHEN YOU HIT YOUR BIGGER BETS COVER THE ZERO.. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
STUART ;D ;D ;D
hm.. of course Bike :diablo:
Hi Stuart
See this applied to your progression
Possible win - Total bet (current + previous) = Best possible profit
1: 15 - 10 (5 + 5) = 5
2: 15 - 20 (5 + 5 + 10) = -5
3: 15 - 30 (5 + 5 + 20) = -15
4: 45 - 60 (15 + 15 + 30) = -15
5: 135 - 150 (45 + 45 + 60) = -15
6: 405 - 420 (135 + 135 + 150) = -15
7: 600 - 820 (200 + 200 + 420) = -220
In cases where you have lost on all 7 spins you'd be down -(600 + 820) = -1420. . . .
So how can you possibly win with this unless it hits first time just about every time. . . :pleasantry:
What do you do when/if the progression breaks? (if it's not already broken out of the box like in the above example)
When and how would you cover 0?
If there is actually something here I could code LWD/LWC for you in RX but you have to explain it a bit more in detail if you don't mind.
THE RULES.
WE PLAY ONLY TWO COLUMNS OR TWO DOZENS AT ONE TIME, ALTERNATING THE WHOLE TIME.
IF YOU HIT A ZERO JUST BACKTRACK AND PLAY WHAT IS NEXT COLUMNs OR DOZENs.
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IF YOU HIT A ZERO JUST KEEP GOING
YOU USE THE PROGRESSION BELOW
5-5-5-15-45-135-200 THESE ARE FIVE DOLLAR UNITS
GIVE IT A GO I THINK THIS METHOD CAN MAKE MONEY IF YOU USE THE LWS BY Steve.
I play virtual till I have two straight losses.
Stuart Brandt
Biky you didn't mocked up the greed did mocked up you! Why you don't play more secure progression. Then even 2 - 3 zeros would be no problem. Use the win pay power of one dozen/column don't pervert it! You need reserve in times when the system does not perform best.
Is it RNG or live roulette you busted up?
You didn't think on that one... :diablo:!!! Remember, devil never sleep, only numbers.
Hermes
I AM ONLY PLAYING TWO COLUMN OR DOZENS, WHAT IS THE OTHER PROGRESSION YOU MENTIONED.
PLAYING ONE COLUMN OR DOZEN ITS VERY HARD YOU CAN HAVE LIKE 14 LOSSES IN A ROW.
WATCH OUT FOR WOMAN WITH STINKY FEET LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHA.
HOW WOULD YOU PLAY MY METHOD ABOVE AND WHAT PROGRESSION WOULD YOU USE. :sarcastic:
STUART
Does anyone know where the steve morgan posts are regarding he plays virtual then allows his method to collapse then he start his progression.
Stuart
HI Bik.
Here is one link.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/Lanky's-implementation-of-lw's/msg20579/#msg20579 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/Lanky's-implementation-of-lw's/msg20579/#msg20579)
There is another post on the Forum where He says His hit rate goes from 9/10 Wins to 19/20 wins=95% Win Rate.
I do Think that Steve tracks Different to How Victor and I do it.
And it will be different again to how Your doing it.
That does not mean that You way is wrong...it just might tun out to be the best.
I will do more for You later as We discussed in the chat Yesterday.
Lanky.
Ps >> I just found the other link for You Bik about the 19/20 win rate.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/wrx-steve-morgan-roulettesystem/msg43386/#msg43386 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/wrx-steve-morgan-roulettesystem/msg43386/#msg43386)
Hi Bik..
Here are the combination of all the Lw's shown on Your 6 pages so far in Your Thread.
I assumed that they all started off tracking the Columns first then the Dozens.
As promised I will do the betting on various Lw's Patterns.
If I was to play this and I stuck to My 2 Stop Loss the results would look this way.
EG..LL <<Now bet x 2
LLL < Now bet x 2
LLLL < Now Bet x 2
LLLLL< Now bet x 2
The Personal Bet Registries would be continuous from session to session.
WLWLWWWWWLWWLWWWWWLWWLWWWWWWLWLWWWWWLW= No Bet.
WWWLLLLLWWLWLWWWLWWWLWWWLWWWWWWWLLWWWW
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LLw=LLw
LLLw=LL
LLLLw=Lw
LLLLLw=w
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LLw=LLnolinkswwLwwLwLwLwLwLw
LLLw=LLnolinksnolinks
LLLLw=Lw
LLLLLw=w
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LLw=LLnolinkswwLwwLwLwLwLwLwLnolinksLwLnolinks
LLLw=LLnolinksnolinksnolinks
LLLLw=Lw
LLLLLw=w
WWLWWLWLLWLWWLWLWWLWWWWLLLLWWLLWWWW
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LLw=LLnolinkswwLwwLwLwLwLwLwLnolinksLwLnolinkswLLw =34 Bets for 21 Wins =61.76% Win Rate.>(62% rounded up)
LLLw=LLnolinksnolinksnolinksLw =13 Bets for 10 Wins =76.92% Win Rate >(77% Rounded up)
LLLLw=Lww =3 Bets for 2 wins =66.66% >(67% Rounded up)
LLLLLw=w = 1 Bet for 1 Win =100% Win Rate.
This is of course such a small sample of spins that it could all be irrelevant.
And all things could change with a lot more results tested.
However I have done what I said I would do for You Mate.
Your Friend .
Lanky.
I wonder how my method would do on 00 wheel so far when the LW register is used I start playing at two LLs.
The most LLLLs I have seen on JEBET is four.
I still need to work out how to use the divisor with five dollar USD units the virtual play is the key to doing well.
We wait for the method to start sinking then we start playing at the bottom of the wave then ride with it I hope lol.
Stuart
Lanky thank you for your help.
Now how would I use the divisor with five dollar units.
Like so.
5 5 5 15 45 135 200
Thank you for your help.
Stuart
Now this is getting interesting bike
Quote from: Jish on January 21, 2010, 09:56:21 AM
Now this is getting interesting bike
IS THAT GOOD OR BAD JISH.
I STILL NEED TO HAVE MY MAN TRY ON A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL.
STUART
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 21, 2010, 10:50:52 AM
IS THAT GOOD OR BAD JISH.
I STILL NEED TO HAVE MY MAN TRY ON A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL.
STUART
No good, im paying attention now, interested...
Jish
PLAY LAST COLUMNS THEN LAST DOZENS OVER AND OVER AGAIN
PLAYED ON JEBET THIS MORNING ABOUT 50 MINUTES OF PLAY.
PROGRESSION 5=5=5=15=50=150=200
THESE ARE DOLLAR AMOUNTS I AM USING ON 2 COLS OR 2 DOZS NOT UNIT SIZE
LWWLWWLWWLLLWWLWWLLWWWLWWWWWLWLLWLLWWWWWW DONE
I KEPT LOSING EVERY THIRD SPIN FOR A WHILE, I DID NOT PLAY VIRTUAL AT ALL TODAY, WHEN I HAD THE THREE LLLS ABOVE I TOOK A BIG RISK AND PLAY 200 PER COLUMN I TOOK A BIG RISK BUT IT WAS PLAY MONEY LOL.
NOW I NEED TO STUDY UP ON LANKYS DIVISOR PLAN AND SEE IF IT WILL HELP ME. :)
STUART :pleasantry:
WELL I JUST SAW DOZEN NUMBER TWO HIT 9 TIMES IN A ROW, AND A WHILE BEFORE THAT NUMBER THREE HIT THREE TIMES IN A ROW.
WOW ROULETTE ON JEBET IS CRAZY MAN WOW. :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko: :girl_wacko:
MY METHOD IS HOLDING UP WHICH IS GOOD.
I HAD 15 WINS AND 11 LOSSES NOT GOOD, I HAD THE MOST LOSSES ON THE COLUMNS THEN ONE ZERO.
STUART
biky, as I understand you alternate 2 dozens and 2 columns and are looking for good results? If you really do so you must be a suicidal! Take Prozak for while it will make you even more suicidal but at least you know why.
I wish you get well.
Hermes
Hi Hermes,
The point of what I am doing is to have a method that will hold up when roulette seems to go crazy.
I am looking for a average of what the wheel is doing I am not looking at making a killing one session then your next session you lose your bankroll, I want a method that one can to some extent depend on yes that is crazy but with the virtual play it should make a bit of money.
Now I am not planning on killing myself any time in the future, I think you make some good POINTS BUT WHY DONT YOU HELP ME TWEAK THE METHOD INSTEAD OF MAKING FUN OF ME :nono: WE CAN ALL GAIN FROM THAT.
I AM ALSO NOT SURE IF THE METHOD WILL HOLD UP ON A DOUBLE ZERO WHEEL.
sTuArt :)
Hi Bik.
Mate here is the latest Update on that session You played.
The / in the personal registry is where I have added the the latest Lw's that You have so far in Your Thread.
LWWLWWLWWLLLWWLWWLLWWWLWWWWWLWLLWLLWWWWWW
Personal Bet Registries.
LLw=LLnolinkswwLwwLwLwLwLwLwLnolinksLwLnolinkswLLw/Lnolinksw =39 Bets for 25 Wins =64% Win Rate.
LLLw=LLnolinksnolinksnolinksLw/w =14 Bets for 11 Wins =78.6% Win Rate
LLLLw=Lww =3 Bets for 2 wins =66.66% >(67% Roundedup)
LLLLLw=w = 1 Bet for 1 Win =100% Win Rate.
Lanky.
Ps .
QuoteI HAD 15 WINS AND 11 LOSSES NOT GOOD, I HAD THE MOST LOSSES ON THE COLUMNS THEN ONE ZERO.
Put those Lw's up as well and I will do them.
The Divisor I will do for You Later.
Lanky I thought with divisor you just divide your win target bt six.
So if my win target for the day is 500 bucks my bets start at let's say 85 per pair of cols or dozens.
Now if all of these six bets lose I would have to go 500
Plus another 500 so that is 1000 divided by three so that means I now have to bet 335 per pair of cols or dozs I think wow that is getting steep now I am lost lol.
Stuart
LANKY THIS IS ONE HOUR ON JEBET THIS MORNING.
PLAY LAST 2 SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST 2 SPUN DOZENS OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
WLWWLLLWLWLZLWLLWLLWWLWWWWWWLWWLWWWZWWLWWLWLWWZWWW DONE I HAD 3 ZEROS
MY PROGRESSION
5=5=5=20=60=120=200 THESE ARE DOLLAR AMOUNTS NOT UNITS
I TRIED TO USE THE DIVISOR BUT I KEPT GETTING CONFUSED LOL BUT ALL IN ALL IT IS DOING OK.
STUART :biggrin:
Quote from: hermes on January 21, 2010, 06:50:50 PM
biky, as I understand you alternate 2 dozens and 2 columns and are looking for good results? If you really do so you must be a suicidal! Take Prozak for while it will make you even more suicidal but at least you know why.
I wish you get well.
Hermes
I PLAY COLUMNS THEN DOZENS, COLUMNS THEN DOZENS IT IS NOT THE SAME.
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STUART :)
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 22, 2010, 08:57:15 AM
Lanky I thought with divisor you just divide your win target bt six.
So if my win target for the day is 500 bucks my bets start at let's say 85 per pair of cols or dozens.
Now if all of these six bets lose I would have to go 500
Plus another 500 so that is 1000 divided by three so that means I now have to bet 335 per pair of cols or dozs I think wow that is getting steep now I am lost lol.
Stuart
Stuart .
My mate Your talking about 3 diffeerent things at once here.
1) You Method.
2) the Divisor
3)Your bankroll needed to support the other 2.
I will do things one at a time so that You don't get confused.
I am in the chat now waiting for You.
I have been there fo approx 20 mins.
I have other things to do mate ...so come in as Quick as You can.
Lanky.
Hi Bik.
Mate here is the latest Update on that session You played.
The / in the personal registry is where I have added the the latest Lw's that You have so far in Your Thread.
WLWWLLLWLWLZLWLLWLLWWLWWWWWWLWWLWWWZWWLWWLWLWWZWWW DONE I HAD 3 ZEROS
Personal Bet Registries.
LLw=LLnolinkswwLwwLwLwLwLwLwLnolinksLwLnolinkswLLwLnolinksw/Lnolinksw =44 Bets for 29 Wins =66% Win Rate.
LLLw=LLnolinksnolinksnolinksLww/w =15 Bets for 12 Wins =80% Win Rate
LLLLw=Lww =3 Bets for 2 wins =66.66% >(67% Rounded up)
LLLLLw=w = 1 Bet for 1 Win =100% Win Rate.
Lanky.
Sorry Lanky I am not near a computer all I have is my smartphone lol.
So from what I can see above is my method seems to win 66 percent of the time.
Which is normal for playing 24 numbers I guess, now I will start to play after two virtual LLs and we shall see how this method does.
Thank you for your help.
Stuart
THIS IS THIS MORNINGS SESSION ON JEBET, IT GOT A LITTLE CRAZY AT THE END OF THE SESSION.
PLAY LAST 2 SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST 2 SPUN DOZENS.
WWWLWWLLWLLWWLWWLWWLWWWZWWWLLWWLLWLWLWWWLWWLZWLLWZWWWW DONE
PROGRESSION=5=5=50=150=450
STUART :)
ONE MORE SESSION.
I MOST OF THE TIME PLAY AFTER ONE L THEN START A PROGRESSION.
ZWWWWWWWWWWWLLWWLLWWWWWWLWLWLWLWWWLWLW DONE
THE PROGRESSION WAS 5=5=50=150=200
STUART
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This appears to be a good approach PROVIDED one is setting a Loss limit of 25 % of the required mandatory bankroll for this method and a SANE attainable win goal of 15 - 20 %. :ok:
GREED KILLS . :diablo:
Otherwise NO Sweat ! :yahoo:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 23, 2010, 02:39:20 PM
THIS IS THIS MORNINGS SESSION ON JEBET, IT GOT A LITTLE CRAZY AT THE END OF THE SESSION.
PLAY LAST 2 SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST 2 SPUN DOZENS.
WWWLWWLLWLLWWLWWLWWLWWWZWWWLLWWLLWLWLWWWLWWLZWLLWZWWWW DONE
PROGRESSION=5=5=50=150=450
STUART :)
Update on the Above for You Stuart.
WWWLWWLLWLLWWLWWLWWLWWWZWWWLLWWLLWLWLWWWLWWLZWLLWZWWWW DONE
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LLw=LLnolinkswwLwwLwLwLwLwLwLnolinksLwLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswLnolinksw/nolinksww =49 Bets for 34 Wins =69.38% Win Rate.
LLLw=LLnolinksnolinksnolinksLnolinks =15 Bets for 12 Wins =80% Win Rate
LLLLw=Lww =3 Bets for 2 wins =66.66% >(67% Roundedup)
LLLLLw=w = 1 Bet for 1 Win =100% Win Rate.
Lanky.
Hi Stuart.
Latest update to Your session on Reply 106.
ZWWWWWWWWWWWLLWWLLWWWWWWLWLWLWLWWWLWLW DONE
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LLw=LLnolinkswwLwwLwLwLwLwLwLnolinksLwLnolinkswLLwLnolinkswLnolinksnolinksnolinks/ww =51 Bets for 36 Wins =71% Win Rate.
LLLw=LLnolinksnolinksnolinksLnolinks =15 Bets for 12 Wins =80% Win Rate
LLLLw=Lww =3 Bets for 2 wins =66.66% >(67% Roundedup)
LLLLLw=w = 1 Bet for 1 Win =100% Win Rate.
Lanky.
Ok guys if someone could please run my method on a 00 spins or at a US casino.
I will be glad to give you a Hundred bucks for your time as long as you follow the rules.
The rules are on my first post on this thread take a look we can work something out that may profit both of us.
Stuart
My cell number.
14344892258
I understand there has been some confusion in the nevermind.
Five dollars
Five dollars
Fifty dollars
One hundred fifty dollars
Two hundred and fifty dollars
This is on each of the pair of columns or dozens.
Stuart
TODAYS SHORT SESSION.
PLAY LAST 2 SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST 2 SPUN DOZENS.
LWWWWWWWLWWLWWWLLLWWLWLLLWW DONE
PROGRESSION IN DOLLARS ON EACH OF THE PAIR OF COLS-DOZS WE ARE PLAYING.
5=5=30=90=200
STUART
Quote from: bikemotorman on January 23, 2010, 10:09:13 PM
Ok guys if someone could please run my method on a 00 spins or at a US casino.
I will be glad to give you a Hundred bucks for your time as long as you follow the rules.
The rules are on my first post on this thread take a look we can work something out that may profit both of us.
Stuart
My cell number.
14344892258
PLAY LAST 2 SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST 2 SPUN DOZENS.
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STUART
PLAY LAST 2 SPUN COLUMNS THEN LAST 2 SPUN DOZENS.
THIS IS ONE FULL HOUR ON JEBET JUST PLAYED.
WLWWWWWLWWWWWWWWLLWLLWLWLZLLWWWZWWWWWWWWWWWWWW DONE
PROGRESSION IN DOLLARS ON EACH OF THE PAIR OF COLS OR DOZS WE ARE PLAYING.
5=5=30=90=200=400
STUART :)
It is interesting approach to bet 2 spins dozens and then 2 spins columns! Lanky's intervention showed that most economical way to play would be to wait for 3 LLL (80% win rate). The 5 LLLLLW is too long to wait but if you would start with $30 or $50 instead of $5 it would be less dramatic and more sleepy.
I like the middle way trigger of 3 LLL. You could start with $10/$15 instead of $5. Be careful with the 2 D alternating 2 C, it could get better results than the original idea but it could have shark teeth also!
What about bet the old version alternating D/C and at loss switch to 2D/2C to break the losing pattern?
Cheers Hermes
HI HERMES,
YOU MAY HAVE A POINT, BUT FOR ONE COL OR DOZ YOU COULD GO 14 SPINS WITH OUT A WINNER.
YES YOU COULD PLAY VIRTUAL FOR AT LEAST 5 OF THOSE BUT I AM NOT SURE WHICH IS BETTER BUT YOU HAVE A GREAT POINT.
I THINK USING THE PENTHOUSE PROGRESSION ON A SINGLE DOZEN OR COLUMN IS EASY BUT CAN WE MAKE MONEY WITH IT.
IF YOU PLAY VIRTUAL HALF THE TIME YOU COULD USE FIBONACCI 5=5=10=15=25=40=65=105 YOU WOULD SHOW A PROFIT I AM SURE BUT I AM A NEWBIE TO THIS STUFF.
I WENT 14 SPINS A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK ON THE COL THEN DOZEN I STARTED GETTING REALLY MAD TOO LOL I NEED LESS WAITING LOL. :girl_wacko:
STUART
Hermes you play only once then alternate.
Last spun cols
Last spun dozs
Last spun cols
Last spun dozs
Last spun cols
Last spun dozs
Last spun cols
Last spun dozs
See one time then alternate then alternate each pair then alternate to the other pair done.
Ok
Stuart
so what if you made 2,3,4 tigger points?
Or play D until loss than play C until loss. Loss should be a trigger for change from one to the other.Eg.:
26 - 3D bet 3D win
31 - 3D bet 3D win
25 - 3D bet 3D win
10 - 1D bet 3D lose
4 - 1C bet 1C win
30 - 3C bet 1C lose
28 - 3D bet 3D win and so on...
This way you catch all streaks on D/C.
The Penthouse makes good money even if you don't get fully back to the beginning of the progression and hold like rubber band in bad times.
Waiting for 3 LLL as a trigger is clever idea. We have to exercise patience.
Hermes
Hermes are you refering to in your last post to playing one col or doz or playing 2 cols or dozs.
I like the idea ride the streaks.
Playing one col or dozen is very hard you could go fourteen spins then have a win.
That would be seventh step on the penthouse progression lol.
Stuart
I'm currently testing this system, very slowly and by hand, on a set of 10,000 spins from DB, that the folks at automatedbots.com kindly gave me, while I wait for a bot order. On twelve 60 spin sessions so far I've had:
12 x LLL
5 x LLLL
1 x LLLLL
on other sessions played live I never so far encountered a 5xL. When I'm done I'll know it 5XL is regular or a freak occurrence
BTW, consecutive spins with the same column:
4 spins: 18 times
5 spins: 3 times
6 spins: twice
7 spins: once
Hi forum. Hi bike@
Bad news.
Progression 24/37 against 13/37 has his dissavantages.
This is a full month in Weisbaden. Real spins. One month.
14.637 spins.
(we) have starded 10.674 attacks with this distribution:
1 9522
2 767
3 253
4 91
5 26 <<< This is your last bet !!! I'don't how many units ??? $$$.
6 9
7 4
8 1
9 1
10 0
11 0
12 0
13 0
10674 -15 = [10.659 x Unit] - [15*- HOW MUCH YOU SAID ??? $$$] = ???????
Listen. This is a such great disgrace.
Aren't you you taking too much risk ???
Do your calculations...
This is a break once each 700 attacks... (more or less, each 975 spins)
LAST TWO COL (or DOZ)
LAST TWO DOZ (or COL)
.....
Listen, every time you build a progression against a given figure, the same amount of the full progression when you lost the LAST spin (for you) is the index of the number of spin MINUS : 2,7% of them to reach that concrete limit.
n spins - (n pins*0,272) = +/- YOUR BREAK POINT (in spins quantity)
In fact, again, you must multiply the mean beat amount for that figure to know your TOTAL LOST AMOUNT
Said you play the Gran Martingale.
You will lose for sure before arreiving to 2^10 spins... mix the zero in the middle...
For the Grand Martingale you can expect a break once each 700< spins !!!
Sorry but is your money after all.
Take care.
Cheers.
Betatester.
Jeromin, I saw a few times 10 dozens in row on live roulette wheel and nobody noticed it only me! The others were busy with pouring chips on the table after loss.
Hermes
Hermes, I don't doubt it. This is just a preliminary result, from columns, not dozens, and only 800 or so spins. I'm sure there's a 10 set waiting for me in the near future. I would never play a progression aimed at fully protecting me from the seemingly impossible. We all know that in Roulette anything is possible. I'm just interested in the ratios. What is, on a given system, the drop from say, LLL to LLLL, is it a sharper drop than expected, and what progression might profit from it. Thats all.
tried it in atlantic city. it is awesome. won easily. will now find on line casino. need info where there is good one
I hope you did well with my method are you playing correct please give me the details.
You can't play on line if you reside in the US I think you can play if you borrow a person in the UKs account but they may know the ip range.
Are you playing this way.
Last spun cols
Last spun dozs
Last spun cols
Last spun dozs
Over and over again.
Stuart
panzer is German guy you can see the German eagle (or Polish?).
Hermes
I have found a more safe progression for my last spun cols then dozens.
I am using a fibonacci progression, these are money amounts on each of our pair of cols or dozens ready.
5 10 15 25 40 65 105 170
I think this progression is safer and more of a grind.
I have been going up on a win when I get ww I go back to five dollars, also I cover 0 00 when my bets get higher lol.
I think we can grind out a profit 50 to 60 dollars per hour with my method.
Now I need to master my own method lol.
Stuart
After about a 1,000 spins, starting with LLL tanks. Well, at least with the 1-3-stop progression: 11xLLL + 7xLLLL = 18u. But 2xLLLLL eat up practically all the gains. Of course, I could make it a 1-3-9 progression and hope there isn't a LLLLLL somewhere in the next 1,000 spins... Maybe someone wants to run the full 10,000 spins on RX or excel and count all the L's. Besides, the longer the progression, the lower the initial unit value, and this system is a grind as it is: 1.4 u per 60 spin session on average, with 3 sessions in a row without a single betting opportunity. In DB, for example, a 1-3-9 progression would mean a maximum unit bet of €250/9=€27.77, hardly worth the hassle.
Quote from: Jeromin
on other sessions played live I never so far encountered a 5xL. When I'm done I'll know it 5XL is regular or a freak occurrence
5 losses betting two dozens isn't going to be that rare. 8 will be rare. Anywhere at 13 or above is a freak incident and no progression can handle that. The thing is, waiting for any trigger or specific sequence of losses isn't going to translate to an advantage. Try testing the bet against some numbers, then test random picks against the same numbers. There'll be no difference in the results.
fourteen 60 spin session equates playing for about two hours Monday to Friday for three weeks. Adding to that some twenty odd shorter sessions without a single 5xL means, if the results are representative, that someone playing two hours a day five days a week for a month will encounter LLLLL about twice. Rare enough for me.
The problem is not the rarity as such, but whether at some point the correlation between probably and actual occurrence of a particular sequence breaks down or becomes weak enough to make a profit.
As I recall Steve Morgan waits to play after LLLL he puts 250 on each of his pair of dozens or columns, I think he also puts 15 on zero.
Steve very clearly states he waits for his method in virtual play to collapse then he places the above big bets.
I think he wins 18 out of 19 tries at his method.
Stuart
Quote from: Jeromin
fourteen 60 spin session equates playing for about two hours Monday to Friday for three weeks. Adding to that some twenty odd shorter sessions without a single 5xL means, if the results are representative, that someone playing two hours a day five days a week for a month will encounter LLLLL about twice. Rare enough for me.
The problem is not the rarity as such, but whether at some point the correlation between probably and actual occurrence of a particular sequence breaks down or becomes weak enough to make a profit.
Playing like this is only theoretically sound. In order for it to be realistic, the randomness would have to follow exact rules, which it doesn't and never will (if it did roulette would be easily beatable since everything would be due at precise moments, or at least within the limits of any progression). It's the imbalance between probability and what actually happens that steamrolls all systems...as you mentioned, yes, it will break down and you can count on it. But you might not get 5 losses for three months, or you might get 5 losses twice on the trot in your first set of spins. You never know when it's going to happen. This, fundamentally, is the whole problem with systems and makes them too risky to invest any real money in.
Quote from: bikemotorman
As I recall Steve Morgan waits to play after LLLL he puts 250 on each of his pair of dozens or columns, I think he also puts 15 on zero.
Steve very clearly states he waits for his method in virtual play to collapse then he places the above big bets.
I think he wins 18 out of 19 tries at his method.
Stuart
An 18/19 hit rate is 95%. This is pure nonsense. His overall hit rate will eventually conform to the expected value of 64%, meaning he's losing at house edge rate.
BETATESTER,
ARE YOU PLAYING THE WAY I AM SAYING LAST WON TWO COLUMNS THEN LAST WON TWO DOZENS.
LAST DOZENS THEN LAST COLUMNS IS NOT THE SAME AT ALL.
PLEASE TEST IN THE ORDER THAT IS BELOW. :no:
PLAY YOUR TEST THIS WAY BELOW, YOU MUST START WITH THE COLUMNS.
I AM ALSO USING A SAFER PROGRESSION SEE. 5=10=15=25=40=65=105=170
THE ABOVE IS IN DOLLAR AMOUNTS ON YOUR PAIR OF COLS OR DOZS YOU ARE PLAYING.
I SOMETIMES COVER ZERO WHEN THE BETS GET HIGHER.
HERE YOU GO PLAY THIS WAY ONLY.
LAST WON COLUMNS
LAST WON DOZENS
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DONE
STUART :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
I've give a try to this this afternoon.
Using 10c bets, went from 7,5€ to 35€, playing something like 1hour.
Not bad, but i was playing on last dozen hit, then last column hit (so just 1 each time).
So, i have not the system .. can you give an example with numbers and what to bet ?
OK IF YOU ARE PLAYING LAST SPUN OR WON COLUMNS, OR LAST SPUN OR WON DOZENS LOOK BELOW.
THE LAST SPUN NUMBERS
1
3
THE LAST SPUN COLUMNS ABOVE WOULD BE COL ONE AND COL THREE YOU PLAY BOTH.
THE LAST SPUN NUMBERS
7
36
THE LAST SPUN DOZENS ABOVE WOULD BE DOZEN ONE AND DOZEN THREE YOU PLAY BOTH.
IT IS THAT SIMPLE YOU ARE ALWAYS PLAYING THE LAST TWO COLUMNS THEN THE LAST TWO DOZENS.
LAST WON COLUMNS
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ARE WE CLEAR ON THE ABOVE.
THANK YOU
STUART :) :) :) :) :)
Ok, think i got that.
But if you bet 5 on each two columns/dozens, your progression may be wrong.
5 x 2 = 10 , expected winnings are 15.
10 x 2 = 20, + 10 previous bet = 30 , expected winnings are 30.
15 x 2 = 30, +30 previous bet = 60, expected winnings are 45 ...
What i've not understand ?
You put five dollars on each on each of your pair of cols or dozs but if you want to ad the 2 together that's ok.
The nearest casino has a five dollar minimum per doz or col.
If you bet five dollars on each of your pair you net 5 dollars if you win its that easy.
Are you in the states or Europe.
Stuart
Ok, but if you loose, what the next bet ?
It must recover losses no ?
I'm in europe, from France.
Don't really know how to use the progression ..
With the other method (last column, then last dozen, etc.. and only one) i've win to spin 10 max.
It never loose, and never go to 11th spin while betting.
Progression used (in chips) : 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89
So 10 spins max. Someone can test that or it's for sure a looser on the long run ?
French, if it wins more than lose it is still winner. Don't be scared, test more.
It is good system if you can wait for 3 virtual losses and than apply progression.
hermes
Bike..........how much n when only do you start covering 0......pls.advise...thz :give_rose:
Hi @bike. Hi forum.
Well. You confused me too, with the progression.
What do you do when at the end of "n" steps you have one win and you don't recover the loses ???
Accept the lost units ? adjust the progression ? divide the amount by two expecting 2 consecutive hits...
If so what happens if you lost one of those 2 trials...: Accept the lost and come back to one...
Anyway... this wouldn't give you any edge.
And yes... I have an error in my program.
odd spins played first the dozens.
(some times you haven't 2 clear dozens or columns in the 3third spin.
But if you have then is in a odd spin first.
I've also committed one mistake when publishing the table results.
So in the search of consolidated results I can correct the next:
One full Weisbaden month (real spins by human dealers)
14636 spins
If I start with 2 last DOZENS in spin 3 and in all the odd spin I have exactly this:
1 2225 <<< I publish here another figure)
2 767
3 253
4 91
5 26
6 9
7 4 *
8 1 *
9 1 *
10 0
11 0
12 0
13 0
14 0
15 0
16 0
17 0
18 0
19 0
20 0
3377 (results)
If we start playing the 3thrd spin (first odd, and all the odds) the TWO LAST COLUMNS, for your surprise, we obtain this:
1 2158
2 755
3 291
4 96
5 42
6 9
7 3 *
8 3 *
9 2 *
10 0
11 0
12 0
13 0
14 0
15 0
16 0
17 0
18 0
19 0
20 0
3359 results
8 groups 6>, instead of "only" 6 with 2 doz - 2 col. !!!
Well as we obtain the double quantity of (+1) signs than (-2) if we choose to play the series we obtain this:
(2 doz > 2 col)
1 1180
2 778
3 508
4 301 <<<
5 225
6 149
7 105
8 45
9 39
10 13
11 11
12 10
13 5
14 3
15 2
16 1
17 0
18 1
19 0
20 0
Imagine that you want to play the series after 4 (+) signs:
We shall obtained this:
4 301 -2 -602 (we lose -2, [the 5th])
5 225 -1 -225 (we lose -2, [the 6th]; we win 1[the 5th])
6 149 0 0 (we lose -2, [the 7th];we win 2 [the 5th]+[the 6th])
7 105 1 105 (we lose -2, [the 8th] we win 3 [the 5th]+[the 6th]+[the 7th])
8 45 2 90 (.....)
9 39 3 117
10 13 4 52
11 11 5 55
12 10 6 60
13 5 7 35
14 3 8 24
15 2 9 18
16 1 10 10
17 0 11 0
18 1 12 12
19 0 13 0
20 0 14 0
For a total of : -249 units.
Try starting in any step. :(
Thanks for your patience.
Betatester.
PS: One last advice for all those that says that the systems runs playing one last dozen, one last column:
1 1068
2 707
3 464
4 296
5 232
6 148
7 101
8 65
9 48 <<< here you touches at the 10th step
10 31
11 17
12 13
13 11
14 4
15 3
16 3
17 2
18 2
19 0
20 1
21 0
22 0
23 1
24 0
25 0
26 0
27 0
28 0
29 0
30 0
3217 results
88 runs > than 10 steps...!!! (in the same number of spins)
Wow, really lost in the system ..
What means all your numbers ?
Ex: 1 2225 <<< I publish here another figure)
2 767
3 253
4 91
...
Thanks for taking the time to answer.
Sorry for the delay it seems my method is no better then any other method of playing 24 numbers.
I am sorry I thought it was better then other then other methods of play.
I am sorry I was wrong.
I apologize to the forum.
Stuart Brandt
Quote from: bikemotorman on February 05, 2010, 06:48:14 AM
Sorry for the delay it seems my method is no better then any other method of playing 24 numbers.
I am sorry I thought it was better then other then other methods of play.
I am sorry I was wrong.
I apologize to the forum.
Stuart Brandt
Depends if you are using RNG or real spins in your testing, Ive found out that RNG has ALOT longer streaks than any real wheel, i finally foud the difference;)
Alaways in winnings ..
Now 50€, starting with 7€.
Betting all spins, last column, then last dozen.
Just a few spins, then i stop and play later.
Thinks it will fail, but i will stay in profit, because progression max cost me 23,10€.
I'm playing on RNG wheel.
hey bike when someone tells you "your system failed after testing for 1 million spins, dont worry. Tell me one person who sits at a roulette table and plays a system for 1000 spins straight, its crazy. Its hard to test a system and know if its truly effective . If something works remember to have good money management and a nice bankroll.
Has anybody used this in a brick and mortar casino yet one guy said he was going to try it in New Orleans.
Let me know.
Stuart
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hey bike when someone tells you "your system failed after testing for 1 million spins, dont worry. Tell me one person who sits at a roulette table and plays a system for 1000 spins straight, its crazy. Its hard to test a system and know if its truly effective . If something works remember to have good money management and a nice bankroll.
It isn't hard at all to know what is effective and what isn't. Systems need to be tested extensively to find out how often they lose and if it's viable to recoup any losses before you lose again. It's simple commonsense. Testing a system for less than 100,000 bets is pointless and irrelevant. People say it isn't because they can be bothered testing that much or just want to believe that what they have is a winner. Any system can lose at any moment. You might sit down at a table and lose your entire bankroll in 10 minutes. This could happen twice, three times or four times on the trot. There is no mechanical bet with a low enough variance to win consistently. Meaning that everything fails, it's only a matter of when. And since no one can possibly know that, systems are just too risky to play for any amount of money you can't afford to lose. "Money management" means nothing when your risk of ruin is always 100%.
100% of people that think mm isnt important i guarantee you are loser,regardless of the billion tests they perform. Once you have been here a while you will see what i am saying. I got a winning system and i owe it to steve morgan, nathan and all the other vets on this forum. I tried to share my knowledge love it or leave it. Good Luck!!!
Money management is irrelevant if you don't have a real edge, it isn't going to help you win more than you lose in the long run.
try this. leave out the dozen that has won and pick one dozen from the other two. after a winning dozen the next result is likely to come from the othe two. if a dozen repeats wait before you bet. you can not win backing two dozens.
this is holy grail. tried it in atlantic city. awesome. how can i bet on line?
Quote from: panzer on February 21, 2010, 11:41:08 PM
this is holy grail. tried it in atlantic city. awesome. how can I bet on line?
have you read the thread from start to finish?
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Alaways in winnings . .
Now 50€, starting with 7€.
Betting all spins, last column, then last dozen.
Just a few spins, then I stop and play later.
Thinks it will fail, but I will stay in profit, because progression max cost me 23,10€.
I'm playing on RNG wheel.
I like the sound of this,why not try it on live wheels with low min bets.
Casino's like joyland and 21 nova have min bets of 10 p. :good:
You are playing last two columns then last two dozens or last one col or dozen, which are you playing you are not clear on how you are playing let me know.
I have seen at most seven losses in a row so a smart virtual play would lower the risk.
Stuart
by hedging the ststem is foolproof. won 1,000 dollars on it so far
Quote from: panzer on March 01, 2010, 05:43:53 PM
by hedging the ststem is foolproof. won 1,000 dollars on it so far
Hi Panzer explain to me how you are hedging the method and are you playing 12 numbers or 24 numbers also are you in the US.
I dont think it is foolproof but we can dream lol let me know are you playing double zero wheel or single zero.
Stuart :)
I think I have a good idea on a progression type. It does take some care to keep track of your losses on the current run.
You start the run with betting 1 unit on each of the 2 dozens or 2 columns. You then increase your next wager to WIN 1/2 of how much you are down. If you get that win, increase your very next wager to profit 1 unit. That is basically it.
You see you need 2 wins in a row to fully complete the run. If you alternate W and L, then you will slowly sink. If you have a string of losses, you will also slowly sink. The point being you can catch your 2 wins in a row at some point.
8 losses in a row and you are down 256 units....your next bet would be 256.....That would be my bankroll MAX=512
:yes:
very good with this system. you are never on cold group or column. i hedged with inside and won 1000. 00 in 4 sessions
Please explain further regarding your play and success.
Stuart
UPDATE ON MY CRAZY SYSTEM WITH GRINDOMATIC TWEAK READ BELOW PLEASE MAY HELP YOUR BANKROLL LOL.
I HAVE DONE A TWEAK ON MY METHOD THAT IS WORKING WELL I THINK ONE OF THE GUYS TOLD ME TO DO IT A WHILE BACK.
PLAY LAST WON COLUMNS IF YOU LOSE GO PLAY LAST WON DOZENS, IF YOU LOSE GO BACK TO LAST WON COLUMNS IF YOU WIN STAY THERE TILL YOU LOSE.
PLAY AND STAY ON WHAT IS WINNING DOZENS OR COLUMNS IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
HERE IS 2 HOURS OF PLAY TODAY ON JEBET.
STAY ON WHAT IS WINNING ONLY ALTERNATE AFTER A LOSS.
THIS IS WORKING MUCH BETTER WITH THIS TWEAK.
LLLWWWWLLWWWWWWWLWWLWLWLL0WLWWWWLWWLWWLLLWWWWW0WWLLWW00LLWWWWW0LWLWLWWWLLWWWWWLWWWWLW DONE
STUART
I forgot to mention I am always playing two cols or dozens.
I think staying on what is winning is a very good idea today I had a streak of 7 wins on dozen 3 and 2 check it out.
Also on the above play today I played non stop.
Stuart
What progression are you using with the two columns/dozens
I still like my progression on post 162.
Hi keel I think you are correct we need sometimes to just break even to finish the run.
I have been reading some stuff about lots of progressions where you wager more as you are winning and less as you are losing.
I still need to find out how this latest tweak would do on a double zero wheel.
Stuart
I hope you understand that all my progression is, is that you need 2 wins to profit 1....not break even. That first win wins half of how much you are down, then you wager whatever is needed to profit 1.
You could also modify it to win a third of what you are down then win another third, then you go for a profit of 1......so you need 3 wins in a row for profit.
This system will work if you don't go through a bad stretch. And that stretch must be long enough to wipe out the bankroll. Have you seen a stretch like: LLLLWLWLWLLLLWLLLLL ?
That kind of stretch will probably kill this way of betting.
HI FOLKS HAD ONE MORE GREAT SESSION TODAY I THINK I PLAYED 2 HOURS TOTAL.
THE STARTING ON THE LAST COLS IF YOU LOSE GO TO LAST DOZENS IF LOSE GO BACK TO COLS IF LOSE GO TO LAST DOZENS IF WIN STAY THERE TILL YOU LOSE IDEA IS WORKING VERY WELL, I HAD TODAY A NICE STREAK OF ELEVEN WINS IN ROW, BUT I NEED TO START WITH A BIGGER BANKROLL AT LEAST 1000 JEBET PLAY DOLLARS LOL.
TRY IT YOU MAY LIKE IT.
I THINK THIS LITTLE TWEAK WITH A SOUND MM METHOD MAKES THIS PRETTY GOOD.
STUART :)
Any questions folks.
NOPE NOT YET BUT I AM GETTING CLOSER LOL.
I HAVE NOT HAD A LOSING SESSION SINCE I TWEAKED IT WITH STAYING ON THE WINNING COLS OR DOZENS.
NOW I START WITH THE LAST WON COLS THEN IF I LOSE I GO TO THE LAST WON DOZENS, SO FAR IT IS WORKING A BIT
BETTER, NOW IF IT WILL HOLD UP TO A DOUBLE ZERO US WHEEL I AM NOT SURE.
WE SHALL SEE, I AM PICKING UP LONGER WINNING STREAKS AND THAT IS A GOOD THING.
STUART
HI bikemotorman
so you've tweaked the system? :) thats good to hear
what are you currently doing with the dozen/column? and your progression betting
thanks,
Hi I start with last spun two cols if I lose I switch to the last spun dozens if I win I keep playing the last dozens if I lose go to the last spun dozens alternate only after a loss I also treat zeros as a lossm
If I get zero when I am on dozens I alternate back to the cols.
Stuart
whats the progression r u using bike.....can u pls.update us.
Quote from: roulette-randy on March 08, 2010, 05:44:29 PM
If you're playing two dozens or two columns at a time and want a profit on each winning spin, you will need to follow the progression of 1-1. 3-3. 9-9, 27-27, 81-81, 243-243, 729-729.
Bike................r u using this progression?this progression is very dangerous.... :skull:
The progression I have been using is in us dollars on cols or dozs 5 10 15 25 40 sometimes I look to just break even other times I let win streaks make profits for me.
I have been letting my wager size go up with winning streaks.
Kind of like a positive progression.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 09, 2010, 09:52:55 AM
The progression I have been using is in us dollars on cols or dozs 5 10 15 25 40 sometimes I look to just break even other times I let win streaks make profits for me.
I have been letting my wager size go up with winning streaks.
Kind of like a positive progression.
Stuart
what is the longest losing streak u encounter at the moment?
The most with the tweak is 4 llll in a row.
That is on a single zero wheel.
I sometimes freeze my bet on a series of losses so I can ride them out with little harm to bankroll then with a series of wins make your wager larger while you are winning.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 09, 2010, 10:28:45 AM
The most with the tweak is 4 llll in a row.
That is on a single zero wheel.
I sometimes freeze my bet on a series of losses so I can ride them out with little harm to bankroll then with a series of wins make your wager larger while you are winning.
Stuart
Then can we use the progression on post 178.....izit risky?
JUST DID A SESSION ON JEBET, I HAD SIX STRAIGHT LOSSES IN A ROW I WAS LOSING ON THE COLUMNS BAD, SO THAT MEANS THE COLUMNS ARE ARE JUST SKIPPING AND HITTING ALL OVER THE PLACE, SO IF I PLAYED MY LAST TWO WON COLS THE OTHER COLUMN WAS HITTING.
THERE WAS NO REAL PATTERN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AT ALL LOL THANK GOODNESS IT WAS PLAY MONEY.
ROULETTE IS ONE TOUGH GAME LOL.
STUART
Quote from: VICLIMKS on March 09, 2010, 09:34:47 AM
Bike................r u using this progression?this progression is very dangerous.... :skull:
NO I AM NOT USING THE THAT PROGRESSION.
STUART
AFTER SOME THOUGHT I THINK PLAYING TWO COLS OR DOZS IS VERY RISKY IN OTHER WORDS I THINK RED BLACK SYSTEM IS SAFER WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK.
STUART
I think it's better to play just one column or one dozen. With a short progression, 1-1-1-stop, you only risk 3 units but can make 2 units per spin on a streak.
Jeromin, that's not a bad strategy, especially if you can wait for 5 chops before apply the strategy.
Hermes
Hermes, I like the columns better, precisely because of their irregularity. It's a very regular irregularity. Initially I tested it waiting for three chops and got consistent wins on about a dozen 60 spin sessions, from my DB 10,000 spin collection. But I found I was missing out on a lot of repeats. That's why I prefer to just start after a repeat.
I know but you have to decide if you want to be sure winner or occasional winner. Chops are more common on D/C than streaks. 2/3 are chops. We have to decide between greed and common sense and that's not easy, especially if we are already infected with greed.
Hermes
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 09, 2010, 04:20:09 PM
AFTER SOME THOUGHT I THINK PLAYING TWO COLS OR DOZS IS VERY RISKY IN OTHER WORDS I THINK RED BLACK SYSTEM IS SAFER WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK.
STUART
i thought that from the start, sorry man :giverose: