Interesting question for the AP crew

[Mr J]

"You could say the same thing about testing methods" >>> Really? I can RX a method, can you do that SEARCHING for a bias wheel?

Not to mention the 'timing' of all your hard work. You spend hundreds of hours 'searching' and sure as heck, you find one. What you didn't know is that at 4am, they corrected (use whatever term you want) the problem. Time to start over......this time, what you dont know yet.......you are doing your charting for God knows how many hours and you discover, on that particular wheel, no bias, (point 'F') time to start over AGAIN etc. Like I said, I am the first in line when it comes to getting on board with something, anything to beat roulette but these various AP ways are pure BS. Its only feasible if...

A) This was 50 years ago.

B) The casino is in some sort of third world bulls**t country.

Other than that, no way guys. If I thought for a second there was something to it, I would be the guy on these forums putting in the MOST amount of time studying AP. I would be on top, number one most committed player but sorry, its great in THEORY only.

Ken

[Mike]

Like I said, collecting numbers isn't a very practical way of looking for bias. If you know what to look for and how to look, it only takes 10 minutes. Collecting numbers is done to confirm the bias which you have already visually determined, and a few hundred spins is usually enough.

At least AP IS based on valid theory (the laws of physics), you can't say that about systems. 

[schoenpoetser]

I am a respected quest in my housecasino.I know all the dealers and they know my manner of wagering.I have nice talks with the regular guest .I argue and give advice.
My casino is a pretty meeting point and I have much pleasure.In spite of that I also play on internet.Sitting in my lazy chair I test the software and my strategy.I play also on internet to make my skill better

[Mike]

Sorry, but this adds what to the discussion? 

[Mr J]

"collecting numbers isn't a very practical way of looking for bias. If you know what to look for and how to look, it only takes 10 minutes" >>> Just so I understand. Lets say one spin every two minutes. So in roughly 5 spins, you'll be able to not only spot a bias but you would also know which section.....5 numbers I assume? Would the other AP guys agree with you on this?

Ken

[Mike]

Just so I understand. Lets say one spin every two minutes. So in roughly 5 spins, you'll be able to not only spot a bias but you would also know which section.....5 numbers I assume?

Correct, but not necessarily 5 numbers, could be more or less.

Would the other AP guys agree with you on this?

Herb certainly would, I can't speak for others.

[Mr J]

 
Herb would most likely agree with you....around 5 spins (estimate), MAYBE less than 5 spins and you guys wonder why I crack so many jokes. 


Ken 

[Steve]

In all, bias is comparatively a waste of time. Old bias analysis is plain collecting spins and seeing what spins most, with statistical relevance.

New bias analysis is proper scouting of wheels first to check for visible signs that hint to at least possible bias. Then you collect data with segregation, then analyze. There is a lot more to it but that's the gist, although in any event you still need to do a lot of verification. So you are looking for possible cause, understanding the effect, then verifying. This is done with other methods too but with bias it takes longer.

I know a lot of professional roulette players, likely far more than anyone else on the planet, and very few of them use bias analysis simply because there are overall much better ways to beat roulette. When a player tells me they want to focus on bias analysis, it is either because they have a brilliant selection of crappy old wheels to play on, OR they havent yet learned better methods.

[Kelly]

At least snow has a method that pays enough to give it his highest prioritys for actually play the game.

[Steve]

I really wasnt referring to snow, but on that note I do not doubt he understands the game well - more than most. But based on what I know about him, I do believe he has a self-inflated view of his own knowledge. Perhaps I do too, who knows. But I know very well that there are far better ways to beat roulette than by bias.

[Kelly]

Snow already concluded that a long time ago, its just ken that keeps putting it in everyones face. But i won`t blame snow for taking the opportunitys hes got.  At least they can`t counter bias play with early NMB as they do with other play types.

[Mr J]

The question/point is for any AP guy, Herb or anybody else. Come on, 5 spins?

Ken

[Mike]

I never said that bias is the be all and end all of winning, but in conjuction with other AP approaches, it's a very important string to your bow.

[schoenpoetser]

For all the members who are looking for a biased wheel, go to a gamestore and buy a roulettegame.Sure you will find a bias. In the legal casinos you will nowadays never find  a biased wheel.Don`t waste your time for looking it.It it is the same as looking for the HG.

[Kelly]

You won`t find any bias in Holland thats true, but thats not the entire world. It looks different elsewhere in europe not to mention the US.

Yes 5 spins is more than enough to spot an anormaly. Some biases don`t even need the ball to be spun, but will need the rotor to be moving though,  before you have an idea of where the ball will have a hard time to climb.  If the numbers doesn`t manifest the suggested bias either as donators or receivers, you can pretty fast scratch the wheel off the list.

[Kelly]

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