You need 3x12 blank spaces. When a number (1-36) comes out: Simply write the number where it belong. If you prefer, you may fill you all spaces on beforehand and cross out coming numbers.
The numbers form certain patterns. In an earlier topic I chose to chase a pattern with one blank space (missing number) in it. My new method includes TWO blank spaces; and the pattern is easier to recognize.
X0X0X
The goal is this pattern. Of course 0 = Missing number.
If this pattern may come with the next spin, you should bet on it. I.e. if the pattern comes, you have won. The session has ended.
I find counting numbers of spins a bit boring. Instead of ending a session after a certain number of losses:
Stop if any street or any square (corner or carré) has appeared with ALL its numbers!
It is really not complicated. With this method I have had much luck in theory at home testing the method with many Permanenzen from Spielbank Wiesbaden.
The purpose of including missing numbers as part of my goal in the final pattern is to create a rather limited bet selection. In most cases I do not have to bet on more than a small handfull of numbers. Half of my sessions ends with the pattern (X0X0X0), as I am winning on one of the few chosen numbers.
Timing is essential to all gambling. The number of spins in one session also stops, if any street or any corner has appeared with all its numbers.
One session a day. From the first spin of the day at table 3 in Permanenzen from the archive of Spielbank Wiesbaden. Free and available to all. I have worked my way through the first three months of 2011. I.e. trough 90 sessions with this simple system.
The result: 249 chips.
Dane
...X0X0X...
Two days without spins from table 3: 23.04.2011 and 01.05.2011. So 25.05.2011 is connected to the 143th session.
After just 143 sessions: 524 chips. :yes:
Dane
One more day without spins from table 3 in Spielbank Wiesbaden: 23.06.2011. No session that day. It means that the first six months of 2011 represents exactly 178 sessions in my test series. The result: 770 chips. Without progression or tips.
Has the curve reached its apis? Only time will tell. X XX X0X0X
X XX :thumbsup: Dane
X
Dane
Let me use real numbers:
1_3_5........I would bet for the 2 and 4. If 7 comes, I add the 6, right?
Now, as to when to quit. Do you quit the session on your first win?
If a street or corner fills before you win, do you quit?
Sam
Thanks to Far-Q and TwoCatSam for your replies. I would prefer to give a watch to the rabbit. Timing is essential, you know.
Obviously I have not explained my method well. I concentrate on patterns in area 1-36 as they occur inside 3x12 spaces in accordance with the layout of the table.. If only 1, 3, and 5 have come, you should not bet yet. If 7 comes too, you should bet on 13. If 13 comes, you are able to see the final pattern in the 1st column.
X0X0X. And yes, the session has ended after this.
From table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden 25.08.2011: 21, 5, 7, 36, 21, 4, 29, 26, 31, 18, 5, 6. No betting. This session has ended. Street 4-6 has come with all its numbers.
26.08.2011: 11, 24, 5. Start betting on 17.
...12.
Add 18 to your betting.
...20, 5, 30.
Add 36 to your betting.
...34, 32.
Add 26 to your betting.
...19, 27.
No more betting on 36.
...23.
No more betting on 26.
...14.
No more betting on 17.
...26.
NO MORE BETTING! Corner (square or carré) 23-27 has come out with all its numbers.
27.08.2011: 29, 25, 19.
Start betting on 13 and 31.
...26, 33, 31. Stop!
If you have followed these examples with pen and paper, you should be able to practice.
In my test series I reached 817 chips a few days later.
After exactly 9 months I had 392 chips left.
- - 10 - - - 429 - - .
Dane
I have printed your previous post and will study it. Could I ask a question? Why do you stop when a street or corner fills? What has that to do with anything?
Sam
To TwoCatSam: Timing is everything! The events are not directly connected. And yet it takes some time for the patterns to show. I am bored with counting number of spins. So I have offered a time-related alternative. Enjoy!
To Nathan Detroit: This "system" has just been invented by me. I do not know if anyone "ever" has played it in real casinos. Time is essentil to all gambling. Time at home with homework and Permanenzen is free. And it may be as interesting as the real thing with smiling dealers. They too are aware of the time factor. It is hard to find a clock at the roulette table. Each spin is independent of all other spins in the Past, Present, and Future. And yet TIME is the most essential. No gambler is independent of time. Some of us might would like to think we Transcend Time from Time to Time. And the casinos are happy if you stay a little longer, unaware and unprepared.
Dane
Dane
I printed out a carpet and used dog food pellets to mark the numbers. You are right; I see exactly what you are doing.
I have several hundred fresh numbers I will use to test this. I'll get back to you.
Thanks
Sam
Dane
I have worked through several hundred spins from Dublin. I have the hang of it. Not hard at all once you practice.
Well, I find it quite profitable! Don't know if it will hold. I'm going to try it tomorrow at our local Indian casino. It is 0/00 RNG. Who knows how it will do there.
Sam
Good luck to you, Sam!
Nothing happened in Wiesbaden on those days at table 3: 13.11.2011, 20.11.2011, 24.12.2011, and 25.12.2011. Of course I have been testing my method surrounded by spins (0-36) from the other days from there. In other words I am proud to tell what happened to my profit in theory yesteryear: 583 chips. :yahoo:
Dane
Dane
I tried it at Riverwind and it did well enough that I am going to continue to play it. I see why you stop when a corner or street fills. If you don't, you bet the same numbers forever and they become sleepers. One must constantly move in this game or be beaten.
Sam
That´s right, Sam! :yes:THE TIMES THEY ARE A-CHANGING! But it is also true that slow and steady wins the race!
XX X X0X0X0
XX X
X
A very systematic procedure should be tested in a very systematic way too. As you know, I had luck testing my method at home with spins from yesteryear. I´ll continue too!
Dane
Respect Dane for your system. I like the way how you solve the endless counting issue. Time is a factor. Numbers being due not. So the key is not predicting but creating a small enough opening the get a hit and not to get bust isn't it? I like to test your system. I'm not sure if I get the whole picture. I do not have cat food pellets ;-) Why in your example of 17 October do you only bet downwards? "11, 24, 5. Start betting on 17" why not the 0 as well? "...12. Add 18 to your betting." why not the 6 as well? It would complement the string of XOXOX even more. I would like to understand. I like your fresh approach on patterns. I have tried many of them and the more I test them the more I belief it's better not to be rigid. Be as chaotic as chaos. So pick 6 random numbers play even money 6 times. Win, nice. Lose? +1 in the next 6 numbers until you get even again. It will work for a while and then the ivory ball will jump on other numbers for ages. But your approach gives me hope again. Keep up the good work.
To Loek2000. Thanks for your friendly letter. Listen to "Ebony and Ivory" - but do not believe that the ball in roulette is an ivory ball these days.
Listen to "Love Minus Zero" - but do not expect me to add Zero to my betting. I have chosen to concentrate on 1-36. Patterns inside 12X3 spaces. How to mark the numbers is entirely up to you. I use to draw small circles ("chips"). If I leave a number before the session has ended, I fill out the circle in its space.
Study the examples in reply #7 closely! Use pen, paper and spaces!
X0X0X
If only 12 and 24 have come in the 3rd column, I bet on 18.
Not 6. And why not? And why not? Before long I would place too many chips.
Hopefully we have some orderliness in our brains! It is better than chaos! Dane
I have moved on from dog food pellets.
I created my own chart and had it laminated. I use a wet erase marker to make my Xs. When it's time, I erase the whole sheet.
Sam
Hello Dane. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I get it. I will start testing tomorrow. Your quite the philosopher. I respect that. The truth is that we can't understand chaos because we create order with our brain even if it's not there. On the other hand there is so much order in things we cannot see because of lack in consciousness. For example to understand reasons and patterns in major events in our live. Anyway it's not practical in roulette for as far as I can see. I have a friend whom I study for years now. She has never lost in roulette! Never! She only plays in landbased casino's and at forehand she tells me how much she is gonna win. She always start with 50 euros. If she needs a new television she will stop when she's got 1000 euro. And she succeeds. When she does not get the right "fibe" she does not play and goes home without playing. I have seen her doing that for over 20 years now. She looks at patterns and plays one number or the last double street. I cannot understand how she reads the patterns, but apparently she can. Me being a simple soul have to relate to more ridged patterns like XOXOX. But it still is interesting. I wonder what else we could look at to get a bit more conformation. Like how many repeaters are there and so what? Or is it an idea to look for the XOXOX pattern on the roulette wheel instead of the layout? Have you investigated this?
Twocatsam, your funny! And smart idea with the sheet. I have a 37 inch monitor and use Excel on one half and Roulette on the other side. This way I can "write" and use formulas in one go. I like the simplicity of your idea though. My be I'll give that a try too.
Thank you, Loek. It is very important to me to have my ducks in a row!
Twocatsam, you've got something with animals don't you? Bring us the golden goose and I'll thank you with a silver donkey. :good:
Dane: "Timing is essential to all gambling. The number of spins in one session also stops, if any street or any corner has appeared with all its numbers."
With this you mean when spining and waiting for pattern to show?
Or, also when you are already betting on one or two numbers? How can you achive betting for 20 spins?
To Loek2000: Clara Clairavoyant and your likeminded female friend ought to be in the Precognition and Telekinesis department of this Forum! No, I have not looked at the roulette wheel. You wonder what else we could look at. Keep on wondering. But please understand that I must focus attention. I do not want to start all over again in the middle of my long test series.
To Jovica15: I mentioned 20 spins in an earlier topic - but not in this one. I got bored with counting number of spins. Now I simply end the session if any of the patterns comes. A session might be longer or shorter. If you are visiting a casino and you have a train to catch, it is good to know how many sessions you can complete. Better safe than sorry. Within 120 spins you should be able to complete at least four sessions. It is stressfull to fight against TIME.
Dane
Quote from: Loek2000 on October 21, 2012, 06:33:17 PM
Hello Dane. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I get it. I will start testing tomorrow. Your quite the philosopher. I respect that. The truth is that we can't understand chaos because we create order with our brain even if it's not there. On the other hand there is so much order in things we cannot see because of lack in consciousness. For example to understand reasons and patterns in major events in our live. Anyway it's not practical in roulette for as far as I can see. I have a friend whom I study for years now. She has never lost in roulette! Never! She only plays in landbased casino's and at forehand she tells me how much she is gonna win. She always start with 50 euros. If she needs a new television she will stop when she's got 1000 euro. And she succeeds. When she does not get the right "fibe" she does not play and goes home without playing. I have seen her doing that for over 20 years now. She looks at patterns and plays one number or the last double street. I cannot understand how she reads the patterns, but apparently she can. Me being a simple soul have to relate to more ridged patterns like XOXOX. But it still is interesting. I wonder what else we could look at to get a bit more conformation. Like how many repeaters are there and so what? Or is it an idea to look for the XOXOX pattern on the roulette wheel instead of the layout? Have you investigated this?
Twocatsam, your funny! And smart idea with the sheet. I have a 37 inch monitor and use Excel on one half and Roulette on the other side. This way I can "write" and use formulas in one go. I like the simplicity of your idea though. My be I'll give that a try too.
I can relate a little with the vibe thing,but its more about a little experience and reading the game.As some know im a fan of Kimo Li GPM and using stars strategy i can be accurate with numbers 75% of time.Like some may say,maybe its luck :) or :nono: it isnt.
Excuse me Dane if I got carried away. I just meant to agree that patterns could be readable. Nothing out of the ordinary. I played 27 games today. RNG. It takes a long time to get some winnings because most games ended quickly in a full carre of full street. Nothing to show for on the plus side. I give it another go. I'll try the wheel instead of the layout.
seykid29 "Kimo Li GPM and using stars strategy " thanks mate. I'll investigate. Lets not discuss it here out of respect to Dane. Good on you.
Loek2000: I prefer REAL WHEELS. Without double zero. And it might be hard to seach for X0X0X wheel-pattern and at the same time keep an eye on patterns in streets and corners.
It is possible to play for months without winning much. Dane
Yep, played reel wheel last night. +64 euros. And your right, the layout is better because it takes longer on the wheel to get the pattern. And no safety without the carre of street stops. Thanks for the feedback.
As to Kimo Li......without being disrespectful.......if anyone could start a thread and ACTUALLY SAY SOMETHING meaningful about one of his ideas, I'd fall over. Just giving names to things will not a winning system make.
I'm talking on the order of Mr J, who does not bloviate and obfuscate. Name one system using Mr. Li's namings and show how and when to bet. "Oh, I bet the Stars.." won't get it. Someone said every number is a Star.
Yes, you can bet a "bow tie" or a "nuke" (I have his books.) but all you're doing is betting locations on the wheel. Warmed over Gamlet.
Sorry, Dane, but someone brought up Kimo Li.
Sam
Back to my system, both cats: As you know, I had luck in my test series at home with Permanenzen from YEASTERYEAR, Table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden. In my continued test I fought my way through the lists from January and February this year. At this point my "profit" had dropped to 550 chips. There is nothing like stating the obvious: In a long test series we should expect set backs; and we need many chips. Especially with a method on individual numbers, even with flat betting. Basic knowledge! And you need tons of time and patience.
At that point I decided to expand the number of sessions per Permanenz: From one session to four. So I went back to the first day of yeasteryear and included three more sessions from that day. Etc.
After just 73 days the total number of chips in my continued test series = 459.
X0X0X
Dane
Little test today. Reel wheel at Eurogrand (ladies) -15 euro. Unit 20 cents. Loss was bigger at first. Took a long time to get the pattern. Lots of Carre and streets. In the end 8 hits strait. Then loss again. Took a bit of loss to end it. I concur that it is like anything else in Roulette, it comes in streaks. I can't see how we could improve it. Progression is not the solution I guess. :blush2:
To Loek2000: X0X0X.
In your desperate search for improvement of my system you could try to add streets to your betting. Finding the pattern there should be easy. Just a suggestion.
X0X0X
Dane
:D I.m not desperate... I'ts my quest to find a foolproof system. I only know of one, but is not practical. I've already tried the streets. Is not an improvement. Thanks anyway.
Quote from: Loek2000 on October 24, 2012, 04:56:29 PM
:D I.m not desperate... I'ts my quest to find a foolproof system. I only know of one, but is not practical. I've already tried the streets. Is not an improvement. Thanks anyway.
I'd love to hear of a foolproof system. If it's not workable because you can't get your bets down, there's an answer.
Sam
Loek2000: You have already tried betting on streets too and concluded that it was not an improvement. Did you end the session if you won just on a street?
By the way: You have my permission to respond to Sam´s post too.
X0X0X
Dane
Dane
I'm off to the RNG casino today to try your system again. I'll try only it, so I'll keep track of the money.
Sam
Dane
Your system performed very well. I had three cases where two numbers were bet and they hit on the first spin. I went up about forty units. My units are .25.
Thanks!
Sam
Sam. You have just performed very well. :good: In the meantime I have started a new test series. I have added streets to my betting. Being extremely cautios I end the session if I win. Even if I just win on a street. So X = Three numbers or three streets. X0X0X. Of course I also stops if any street (1-36)or any corner comes with all its numbers.
Four sessions per Permanenz (table 3, Spielbank Wiesbaden). After the first fortnight of 2011 (i.e. 14x2 sessions): 209 units (chips)
X0X0X
Dane
Corrections: Of course I meant X = One number or one street. X0X0X. And four sessions per Permanenz in a fortnight should be 14x4 sessions.
After having added streets to my betting I am sure that one session in most cases ends with X0X0X.
Dane
Hi Dane,
Yes, I stopped as soon as I had a win on a street. Therefore I did not win enough cos I count from the last highest balance. It's even difficult to win if you treat it like tennis. Win some sets, lose some sets, as long as you win the game. I am tempted to use a progression.
As for a foolproof system, I know a few.
Play an even money bet. Craps, Blackjack or Roulette. Bet one unit to start and after a loss you raise your bet with one unit after each decision, win or lose. Keep doing that until you are ahead. It's foolproof cos in a nearly even proposition (I play only one zero wheel) it is certain you will win. It's flaw is that sometimes it takes to long before winning bets are dominate again. One counteraction is to make the progression steeper. Go up 2 units win or lose and profit comes quicker and your sure you'll win. But I advice against this system cos like with Labouchere (cancellation system) it lulls you into believing it's safe enough to play until you have won your weight in gold. A long adverse run makes the bests get bigger and bigger until you run into the table limit or your own or both. Try it (fun money) and you'll see you will always win. Play it for real and you need a big heart very soon! I've tried 2 Dozen as well. So the same dozen all the time (64.8%win chance). I lost my guts sooner then the table limit. But the system has merit and is foolproof. Until you run into a limit and then the loss is enormous. Like with Martingale and with stocks and writing an option. If you know of a workaround to limit bets and still keep close to foolproof that would be great. The best I know of is a short series of predetermined bets and when you reach the end you start over. Play it both ways as if you have a virtual partner and you can win both ways. Still even that is not a free ride. Anyway, back to Dane's topic. I am curious how it will behave in the long run. I tested it with a few hundred Hamburg results and I am not overly impressed. But nice result TwoCat Sam. $1000 is a very decent result. But don't quite your day job yet... :scratch_ones_head:
$1000 is a very decent result.
Yeah, I wish. Forty units at .25 each is ten bucks.
I too prefer real wheels (0-36). It seems like adding streets to our betting was not an improvement. I did not have much luck, so I have left the streets again. Sorry. X0X0X
Dane
:blush2: Sorry Sam! I overlooked the dot....... 10 bucks is nice too :yahoo:
IF you are familiar with the procedure and the patterns, you should be able to double your work by adding 36 more spaces (3x12) to your paper. Place 1-12 in the 1st column
13-24 - - 2nd -
25-36 - - 3rd - .
X0X0X
dane
One question...
Lets imagine that we are on the 6th spin and 7th, numbers are 34,25...
Do you add to your betting number 28 and 31 or just keep betting without adding 28,31?
Thanks
Quote from: jjFX on December 30, 2012, 05:27:37 PM
One question...
Lets imagine that we are on the 6th spin and 7th, numbers are 34,25...
Do you add to your betting number 28 and 31 or just keep betting without adding 28,31?
Thanks
If only 34 and 25 have come, I do not add 28 or 31. But if 19 has turned up too, I add 13 and 31 to my betting.
If I am lucky, the final pattern in the 1st column in the New Year could be 13 25 31 or 19 25 31.
X0X0X
Dane
Quote from: Dane on January 01, 2013, 05:04:36 AM
If only 34 and 25 have come, I do not add 28 or 31. But if 19 has turned up too, I add 13 and 31 to my betting.
If I am lucky, the final pattern in the 1st column in the New Year could be 13 25 31 or 19 25 31.
X0X0X
Dane
It will be a good idea to make this system in excel it will help a lot.
Quote from: jjFX on January 02, 2013, 06:01:22 AM
It will be a good idea to make this system in excel it will help a lot.
Unfortunately I am not that EXCELlent :haha:! And I might have made some mistakes in my examples. Please just keep this in mind: X0X0X. If this pattern comes with the next spin, I´ll win and end the session. The session also ends, if any street or any corner has come with all of its numbers as explained earlier.
Dane
Quote from: Dane on January 02, 2013, 10:30:27 AM
Unfortunately I am not that EXCELlent :haha:! And I might have made some mistakes in my examples. Please just keep this in mind: X0X0X. If this pattern comes with the next spin, I´ll win and end the session. The session also ends, if any street or any corner has come with all of its numbers as explained earlier.
Dane
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Greatings
LouisV
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Quote from: LouisV on January 05, 2013, 07:14:31 AM
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Greatings
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Dane
For a long time I have tried to improve the system. I suggest to add double streets (six lines) to the betting like this:
When just one of the two groups in a dozen has come, simply bet the other one. If 7-12 has come: Choose 1-6. If 13-18 has come: Choose 19-24. If 31-36 has come: Choose 25-30. ETC. Flat betting.
The suggested expansion of the method does not affect the other criteria.
Dane
Thanks for sharing this system with us all Dane. I play as you originally suggested but only stop when a double street of six has been hit, that way way there is more chance of getting a winning session and still keeping the game under control.
Quote from: Antibet on January 19, 2013, 01:55:04 AM
Thanks for sharing this system with us all Dane. I play as you originally suggested but only stop when a double street of six has been hit, that way way there is more chance of getting a winning session and still keeping the game under control.
Thanks! Timing is essential. In the beginning of the sessions it might be boring or stressfull to wait before betting straight up. Including chips on the six lines as suggested may make the waiting time at the table less boring or stressfull. Of course we cannot expect to win much on the groups of six. In my own test series 230 sessions with the groups only made me 58 chips richer.
It is difficult to find the best time to stop. Your decision might be as good as mine. After a long time and many more tests :boredom: :boredom: someone might find the perfect time to stop.