This caught my attention

[Mr J]

Was playing a couple days ago........we have a max. payout of $3,500 on the inside.

A guy put $100 on the 2 and $100 on the 1-6 DS.

Granted, I dont see this too often. The dealer was confused and asked floor what to do? Dealer had to take off the DS bet and give it back (before the spin of course). I'm not sure I agree with this and here's why >> Lets say the 2 did hit, give the guy his 35 units and take the losing chip from the DS. Why?

Yep, what I thought (and was hoping) did happen, the 6 hit. Is it fair, now this guy gets nothing. They should keep the black chip on the DS, so he at least has 5 other numbers to maybe get a hit and its in the best interest of the casino. That DS is really only covering 5 numbers instead of 6 (with max bet on #2).

Any thoughts?

Ken

[Nathan Detroit]

Before one can form an opinion what are ( were) the  displayed  table minimums and maximums  fpr  inside , straight up, dozens column, EC  ?

Those  cats don`t even know the rules   in their own casino even if posted  right in front of them.

It pays to READ those posted rules  before  betting

[ausguy]

Seems like a gross error ? @ $3,500 payout max on a single number means that a maximum bet on any number is $100. In my local casino this equates to a sign showing it as a $5 table = $5 mimimum chip on any inside number. I have a little note book & I wrote down the BASE TABLE LIMIT values on a visit to the casino in NOV. 2010 (payout odds in brackets). Inside  5 - 100 (35 : 1), splits 5 -200 (17 :1), street 5 - 300 (11: 1), cnr 5 - 400 (8 : 1), 6 line (dbl sts.) 5 - 600 (5 : 1). I didn't write in the maximum total table allowable bets simply because I don't bet to $5k per spin etc.

What is usually allowed are total table bets to the value of $5,000 or something many multiples of $100 ?

How often do we see cashed up players betting maximum on many inside numbers. Not only that but some numbers are also bet to the max. on splits & cnrs. & maybe even streets &/or 6 line(s) ? As an example last year, I saw a guy load up with $10,000 worth of $100 chips for betting on a $5 table. He was betting many positions with straight ups @ $100, splits @ $200 eg on 6B he had $200 on 3/6, $200 on 5/6, $200 on 6/9. $400 on 2/6 cnr & $400 on 5/9 cnr.
I estimated by the $100 chips he had left ($1,500) that he was down about $8 1/2k. His luck was in & 6B spun up. The total payout for that win was $20,100 plus his $1,500 bet chips for 6B. So he would have had about $23,000 in total less $7,000 already lost, so net he won (profit) $16,000.

Bravely/wisely he left the table & cashed in. Had 6B not dropped he could /would have been bust in a few more spins & the casino $10k richer ? That's gambling & casinos are prepared to take people on with these types of bets. Who knows ? This guy may have lost multiple BRs to the casino previously or even won on many visits ? Regardless, as we all know, the odds are always in the casinos favour.

[Mr J]

Been busy, sorry.

"Seems like a gross error ? @ $3,500 payout max on a single number means that a maximum bet on any number is $100" >>> Yes, $100 max. on a straight up number but you cant have any adjoining bets. SUCH AS......$100 on the 35 and $5 on the 34/35 split. As far as the minimum bet, it does NOT have to be $5 (at least here). On the busy days, the min could go to $10, $15 and then $25. I have already played (here) the min bet is $25 and max payout STAYS at $3,500.

Ken

[ausguy]

So here's a US casino that's found another way to further dupe players = tweaking their table limits that further erodes the conventional limits found in large numbers of other casinos around the world.  Add this in to the rip off dual zero wheels & it all adds up to a poor value game.
Personally, if I lived in good 'ol USA, I wouldn't play there but as I don't, I don't need to worry about that at all. Fortunately living here in OZ we have choices of B & M single zero wheels with NORMAL (by world standards) table limits & numerous on line live dealer casinos in many O/S countries (Good 'ol USA & so much for their SUPPOSED being champions of freedom of choice ? In the main you are blocked from having an A/C at most International casinos).

As an example of on line play limits, I have an account at Party Casino, Latvia - Europe. Their std. value live dealer SINGLE ZERO wheel has 1 - 250 values on any inside number, 2 - 2000 limits on ANY single outside bet & a 2,500 max outlay per spin. Any 250 number winning bet would see a player get paid 8,750 + his/her 250 bet back . There is a choice of 5 currencies @ GBP, Euro & 3 different dollars.

So it gives a player on a budget a chance & also accommodates the "Higher Roller" cashed up player. 

[Nathan Detroit]

What Mrj  posted is NOT representative nf the  casinos in the USA.  It  occured due to not well trained casino  personell.

There are no casino heavens which   are geared to favor players any where  any place. Reports  to the contrary are pure fiction   and considered as such.


Please be advised that the 0/00 wheels are NOT  USgovernment mandated .

People lose just the same at the single 0 wheel  as  on the 0/00 wheel. Just those   message board posted   methods / systems  tell  me  as an experienced player the whole story

Some cats   lose  even  without  zeros. Too much is being made about the single  0..

Besides if you wanna dance you got to pay the fiddler.


We do not feed those Mafia  operated     online casinos   overseas..  They are blood sucking leeches.

[ausguy]

ND - Most of what you say is "REASONABLY" valid apart from the Mafia bit ? How can you "broad brush" things by saying the mafia are in total control escapes me ?  In most countries goverments & casino regulators go to great lengths to prevent money laundering & other criminal activity.

Contrary to what you say about mafia operated on line casinos, many casinos are combined on line & B & M casinos & also hotels & entertainment precincts. These casinos are corporatised with many having shares that are traded on stock markets. Whether the mafia have shares in them I don't know ? Don't they operate under a code of silence so how would you know ND ?

To Mr J. If you're betting in the "MID WINDOW" $$$$ range at your chosen casino then obviously upper bet limits would not be a worry. If they were, then obviously you would have to give a lot of consideration to not playing there ? 

[Nathan Detroit]

Being listed on the stock exchanges does not make anyone   an angel  and pure  as  freshly wind blown snow    nor do governmemnt regulators  with theit hands in the till.

I rest my case.

[ausguy]

A great lawyer/judge ND would make, NOT ?  No evidence = no case to rest ? Anyway your Govt. "PROTECTS" you from all that you claim by not letting you play overseas from home or across State lines (USA) ? So how can you speak with any authority & credibility with nil actual on line experience ?
Also I was watching a little of NASCAR racing last night. Before the start a lady singer sang your National Anthem, ..... and the part where the lyrics go.... "LAND OF THE FREE" ( plenty to argue against there)  & ... "home of the brave" (no argument with that).

A quick check on Wiki, just now, mentioned mafia in Las Vegas in the 1950's - 1980's. Then as already said & like elsewhere, the corporate gaints stepped in as the mobsters moved on/ were squeezed out to other criminal activity. Casino's weren't good for money laundering/money trees for them anymore as regulators focused on them, Law enforcement & Tax audits saw to that.

Besides, mafia or no mafia, whenever I have won playing live dealer on line I've been paid. I find no difference overall in results & between on line & B & M play.  On line allows me to make more money as I can put the 3 hr round trip travelling time to my local B & M into my on line game. It then becomes 3 hrs at B & M or 6 hours on line = leave 9am & return @ 3pm or start on line play @ 9am & stop at 3pm. Same time spent but x2 the game time.   

[Nathan Detroit]

Please be advised that   I shall not be drawn into any political discussion. You are barking up the wrong tree




HAPPY WINNINGS !

[Nathan Detroit]

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