This money management is named after a Spanish-speaking player. He explained his belief that with the right progression any bet selection can become profitable.
Atila himself used it with 9 numbers. We won't enter into the selection of those numbers, it can be any 9-number group according to him, although he said to have once used numbers 9-12-15-18-21-24-27-30 and 33, but in his own words, -for him- bet selection doesn't matter too much.
The basic layout for the 9 numbers goes this way:
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
On a lose, then only 1 number gets a rise, making it:
2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
If another lose, then another number gets risen, while keeping the former one rose:
2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
Always on a lose, the next number rises, one at a time.
2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
When you finish rising this line with 2's, then you move to the 3's.
3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
The formula is constant:
3.3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
Term by term. +1 on a lose.
3.3.3.2.2.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.2.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.2.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.2.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.3.2.2
3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3
And the process keeps on with 4
4.3.3.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.3.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.3.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.3.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.3.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.3.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.4.3.3
4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
Well, you should have it learned by now. After 4, it continues with 5 for the first term. And so on. I'll make 5's as last example:
5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.4.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.4.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.4.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.4.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.5.4.4
5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5
I think it is enough in the example field for comprehension.
Observations originally given:
- Exposition in terms of units can be elevated, but if you want to win at the casino you must play with the right weapons, and one of them is to have enough bank to pull out from the system's expected drawdown.
- A minimum of 500 units as bank.
- Win target between +50 to +100.
- When there is a win and you are close to previous high, reset. (i.e. you get a hit and leave -10 or less units below, you go to 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1).
- Sometimes it is advisable to quit the session if after several tries and experiencing several drawdowns you simply can't get your win target done for the day.
Well guys. This is the original system as promised.
I shall write my own recommendations/and observations plus how I have used it with positive results in a separate thread. I have tweaked it to suit me and I'm willing to share as usual.
Best regards from a friend,
Victor.
Thanks Victor.
Interesting. I'm eagerly looking forward to your "way" of playing this.
Thanks for sharing.
Atlantis.
Hi Victor
Correct if I am not right!
I choose 9 numbers we shall (any way admit 1.11.23.24.35.36.7.18.9.
Then I put 9 times on 1 $. If I have 3 win ==>(9spins),
I continue to play on 1 $! If I have 2 win ==>9 spins
I raise on one (any number) 2 $, and the others 8 numbers on 1 $.
I play 4 spins .[ch1045][ch1089][ch1083][ch1080] my balance increases,
I come back on 1 $ *9 numbers! If I lose for session,
I raise on 2 $. So I put 2 numbers on 2 $ and 7 numbers on 1 $, and I play 9 more spins and so on!
I have correctly understood or not?
Cheers,
Gamlet.
Victor - what if one was to play 15 numbers? Would the start be as follows:
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
Then progress to:
2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
and so on?
Interesting system, but can someone explain how it works when we encounter a win? Do we go down in bet amount?
Thanks,
Matt
Here is for 6 numbers to play...
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1 1 6 6 6 36 30
2 1 6 6 12 36 24
3 1 6 6 18 36 18
4 1 6 6 24 36 12
5 1 6 6 30 36 6
6 1 6 6 36 36 0
7 2 6 12 42 72 30
8 1 6 6 54 36 -18
9 1 6 6 60 36 -24
10 1 6 6 66 36 -30
11 1 6 6 72 36 -36
12 1 6 6 78 36 -42
13 2 6 12 84 72 -12
14 2 6 12 96 72 -24
15 1 6 6 108 36 -72
16 1 6 6 114 36 -78
17 1 6 6 120 36 -84
18 1 6 6 126 36 -90
19 2 6 12 132 72 -60
20 2 6 12 144 72 -72
21 2 6 12 156 72 -84
22 1 6 6 168 36 -132
23 1 6 6 174 36 -138
24 1 6 6 180 36 -144
25 2 6 12 186 72 -114
26 2 6 12 198 72 -126
27 2 6 12 210 72 -138
28 2 6 12 222 72 -150
29 1 6 6 234 36 -198
30 1 6 6 240 36 -204
31 2 6 12 246 72 -174
32 2 6 12 258 72 -186
33 2 6 12 270 72 -198
34 2 6 12 282 72 -210
35 2 6 12 294 72 -222
36 1 6 6 306 36 -270
37 2 6 12 312 72 -240
38 2 6 12 324 72 -252
39 2 6 12 336 72 -264
40 2 6 12 348 72 -276
41 2 6 12 360 72 -288
42 2 6 12 372 72 -300
43 3 6 18 384 108 -276
44 2 6 12 402 72 -330
45 2 6 12 414 72 -342
46 2 6 12 426 72 -354
47 2 6 12 438 72 -366
48 2 6 12 450 72 -378
49 3 6 18 462 108 -354
50 3 6 18 480 108 -372
51 2 6 12 498 72 -426
52 2 6 12 510 72 -438
53 2 6 12 522 72 -450
54 2 6 12 534 72 -462
55 3 6 18 546 108 -438
56 3 6 18 564 108 -456
57 3 6 18 582 108 -474
58 2 6 12 600 72 -528
59 2 6 12 612 72 -540
60 2 6 12 624 72 -552
61 3 6 18 636 108 -528
62 3 6 18 654 108 -546
63 3 6 18 672 108 -564
64 3 6 18 690 108 -582
65 2 6 12 708 72 -636
66 2 6 12 720 72 -648
67 3 6 18 732 108 -624
68 3 6 18 750 108 -642
69 3 6 18 768 108 -660
70 3 6 18 786 108 -678
71 3 6 18 804 108 -696
72 2 6 12 822 72 -750
73 3 6 18 834 108 -726
74 3 6 18 852 108 -744
75 3 6 18 870 108 -762
76 3 6 18 888 108 -780
77 3 6 18 906 108 -798
77 3 6 18 924 108 -816
@GamletYou got the core of the ATILA right:
QuoteI raise on one (any number) 2 $, and the others 8 numbers on 1 $.
I raise on 2 $. So I put 2 numbers on 2 $ and 7 numbers on 1 $, and I play 9 more spins and so on!
This is correct.
When you didn't got it right is in holding up 4 spins or more before the rise.
You play it like:
Spin #1:
111111111
Spin #2:
211111111
Spin #3:
221111111
Spin #4:
222111111
Spin #5:
222211111
Spin #6:
222221111
Spin #7:
222222111
Spin #8:
222222211
Spin #9:
222222221
Spin #10:
222222222
Spin #11:
322222222
Spin #12:
332222222
... and so on.
You
don't wait 4 spins or more, you make the 1 number to 1 number rise every spin.
@mattymattsQuotebut can someone explain how it works when we encounter a win?
According to the original author, you never do down in the progressionn even on a hit/win if you are still losing. His original explanation is to only make a reset when coming on PROFIT, so, if you were 22111111 and have a hit which still doesn't makes any new balance high (profit) then you continue with 22211111.
...Later on he says he can use a little bit of human judgement and if he comes from a big drawdown and gets around -10 then he makes a reset to 111111111. (Very wise advice if you ask me).
QuoteDo we go down in bet amount?
As explained, not as per the original author., but decrementing on a win is a variation I've heard about.
@atlantisQuoteI'm eagerly looking forward to your "way" of playing this.
I started writing the post already. Have to finish making
VLS' Cheating D'alembert post, then I'll fully enter with my approach to the ATILA Money Management.
Basically my approach has two major tweaks: plenty of reset points (hardcoded and human-based) & not advancing the progression on a win.
You guys will be able to get my way of playing by checking the brainstorming thread ATILA + Bet selections at the brainstorming section and the ATILA test which starts today!
Below is an explanation on how to place the chips from the thread above.
...Atila Disk-sector players tend to start rising the units from the center to the outside. i.e. if target/prediction/hot number is "0", the 9-number sector is: 12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg116.imageshack.us%2Fimg116%2F9089%2Fzerosectorsq8.jpg&hash=3900ee700d3ab276c069a40f0d80ea4db47d81c8)
Their ATILA line looks like:
111121111
111221111
111222111
112222111
112222211
122222211
122222221
222222221
222222222
222232222
222332222
222333222
...to:
333343333
To be "picture clear", like this:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg231.imageshack.us%2Fimg231%2F5666%2Fatiladisksectorew3.jpg&hash=58a083c910b77ba0efb77554b33e52115d46771a)
For [highlight]layout[/highlight] bettors, I recommend as exposed above:
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
...
How to place the bets at the layout? Easy and hassle-free: starting from the lower number to the higher.
To be super-clear, I made this pic today:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg252.imageshack.us%2Fimg252%2F8537%2Fatilalayoutyi3.jpg&hash=cf21d4dad2ec5bd33289d84551758838f99a2db9)
Best regards,
Victor
huh :-? i played it all wrong i see, i just keep moving in the progression no matter what happend, i didn't reset after a new bank high, i had great result so far but last night i had a losing session and lost 200 euro nut much but its still a loss.
So you reset only when you got a new high bankroll?
Hey roger, now I'm testing it with Wildcard's numbers -at last-. Since the main idea of it is to see how I play it, here goes my reset points:
1=27
2=54
3=81
4=108
5=135
6=162
7=189
8=216
9=243
10=270
The mechanical approach is to reset to the lower base bet which puts you in profit.
Say you are in 665555555 and have a hit, you make your calculations like:
<Session high> - <Current balance> = <Gap to reset>
And the result of that you consider for the reset.
Say you were 1000 as session highest point, now you are 937, then you calculate like:
1000 - 937 = 63
You look it up at the reset point table:
1=27
2=54
3=81 <- And you are here.
4=108
Why 3? Because 2=54 and you are behind 63, the next reset point to bring you profit is 3=81, the next higher ammount than your calculated "gap".
So you lower your ATILA from 665555555 to 333333333
I think that is something understandable.
Victor
The formula to get my ATILA reset point with 9 numbers is:
(36 * <unit>) - (<unit> * <9>)
If unit = 1, then:
(36 * 1) - (1 * 9)
36 - 9 = 27
This is how 1=27 is obtained.
If unit = 2 then:
(36 * 2) - (2 * 9)
74 - 18 = 54
It makes 2 = 54
Pretty easy! You could calculate amounts higher than 10 this way and build a larger Atila reset point list for as much as you wish.
If unit = 11 then:
(36 * 11) - (11 * 9)
396 - 99 = 297
It makes 11 = 297 and goes to the end of the list...
1=27
2=54
3=81
4=108
5=135
6=162
7=189
8=216
9=243
10=270
11 = 297 ;)
Victor
...The human factor...
Something I'd like to point out is the human factor. We are not machines.
I'm making the wildcard test 100% mechanically only to prove the set of rules exactly as outlined, but be certain I also give weight to human-based decision at the table.
Say I come from a bad dispersion and I calculate the reset "gap" as per above and I'm -57. Mechanical rules say since
2=54
and
3=81
... I should pick 3, but be damn certain in such conditions I'll reset to 2, since at that particular moment in time I will try to cover the best from a possible back-to-back return of dispersion in hits and from 222222222 to 333333333 there are 9 more bets against it.
Anyway, let me stress again that the test generating the graphs will be done using a 100% mechanical approach, no human element at all. Just wanted to point this out: when you are at the table, you can "cheat" the mechanical approach a little in order to protect as much as humanly possible from dispersion.
Best regards,
Victor
Yes, now its clear to me, thanks fot the explanation. [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Excellent post VLS,
I'm sure your "reset points" will come in real handy to anyone using the ATILA betting method.
I was having trouble determining the values, so thank you for this.
Cheers,
Matt
[smiley=dankk2.gif]
Fingers Crossed,
I have contacted the real Atila (yes, the actual person) and asked him to join the forum...
Hopefully he'll be around soon.
Atila, estimated friend, when you read this, please be certain your presence is highly appreciated in this forum. [smiley=dankk2.gif] for your visiting.
Roulette players united stand!
Best regards this 2008,
Victor
If the "real person" :D would join us, that would be a pleasure, i´m sure. [smiley=wink.gif]
Victor, you contacted the real Atila? wow.. you are resourceful man!
:-)
[smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
BobbyBobby
that sure would be great. ;D [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
yea, would be nice to have him, since i like his system alot!
didnt want to spam your testing section, victor...
do you use stop points and resets when you test atila?
Quotedidnt want to spam your testing section, victor...
Spam? Well, let me tell you when dealing with it I won't buy happy pills nor try to enlarge my penis and certainly won't join that porn site! [smiley=lolk.gif]LoL
Kidding mate. Thanks for leaving there just for the graphs and we discuss it over here.
Quotedo you use stop points and resets when you test atila?
Yes, as outlined. The very same ones I exposed, I didn't use any human-based decisions.
Regards,
Victor
vls,
excellent thread..you have detailed it very well.. kudos to you senior..thank you again
andy
Victor - I have found this very useful. The betting selection is what I must work on as such at this point.
Has anyone got any input concerning the number of misses on a 9 number sector before starting the "Atila" progression ? I wait for 15 Misses.
Quote from: twackler on August 25, 2008, 01:52:50 PM
Has anyone got any input concerning the number of misses on a 9 number sector before starting the "Atila" progression ? I wait for 15 Misses.
I have been using 5 misses and wait for it to hit, then play it up to 5 spins. If it doesn't hit, then wait for it to hit again. Then play some more.
Lately, I've been using 8 misses... why? I figure a 9 number sector "should" hit within 4 spins, so double that to get 8.
Matt
Matt - are you using the same rules for the 9 numbers, just moved it to 8 misses from 5?
Yep.
just testing though Keith, trying different idea.
MM
The way i have been playing is lookin at the last nine numbers hit on the marquee then using those to bet. anybody else ever tried playing like this and found sucess?
dj
Quote from: djroulette on September 03, 2008, 12:31:40 PM
The way I have been playing is lookin at the last nine numbers hit on the marquee then using those to bet. anybody else ever tried playing like this and found sucess?
dj
Interesting DJ, do you switch the 9 numbers after each new number? Or just keep playing those 9? I think it would work if you played those 9 until profit, then take a new 9 numbers.
MM
djroulette - "The way I have been playing is lookin at the last nine numbers hit on the marquee then using those to bet. anybody else ever tried playing like this and found sucess? "
I've done it that way too. It doesn't work because it takes several spins between hits. Too many in fact. I've discovered that seldom do the hottest numbers hit within 10 or less spins of the last time that they hit.
Which makes me think of an idea...
What if you select three hot numbers to bet and wait five spins before betting them individually after they hit. What about waiting ten spins?
I love all the ideas floating around here. There sure are a lot of active thinkers.
Hey
Mattymattz- i have been selecting the nine numbers and then waiting or a hit. Then il look at a new set of nine and keep repeating the same.
Gizmo- i like the idea of wating a few spins before commencing the betting. i am thinking of maybe selecting the nine numbers then waiting for 5 spins and if no hit commence betting.
what you guys think?
Dj
Hello readers,
I made a deposit on Eurogrand casino and I played this method both on the RNG and on the Live roulette following Victor instructions.
It works for the moment, but I have to say, the RNG seems more fair for this method that the Live roulette at the moment and it is more fast.
I wait for a sector of 9 numbers unhited since 12 spins and I begin to bet in it. If I do not find this condition after a long moment I reduce the sector unhited to 10 spins or 8 spins.
I hope online casinos pay back French players.
I'm thinking that everyone who has ever gambled has been in this situation....
I've been practicing the Atila system for a while & I took the plunge last month & tried it out at my local casino.
I did very well, up 100 units in half an hours play & not going past a 3 unit bet. I've been waiting for 9 numbers adjacent on the wheel not to show for 8 spins before I start betting.
Then two weeks ago I had a long weekend at Sun City (casino resort) I played 8 sessions at an average of 30 to 40 spins each, & again 100 units up each time.
So last Sat**day I'm full of confidence & with a large bankroll I'm back at my local casino (you can see what's coming) now I've checked my records & all I need is a 200 unit win & I will have wiped out my accumulated loss for the year- what can go wrong?
I've got a 1000 unit BR & as I walk in I take the last seat on the table, within 20 minutes I'm up 180 units – just another win & I'm even for the year & I'm going home.
So 26-0-32-15-19-4-21-2-25 haven't appeared for 8 spins & I start betting 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 after a while no luck, but I'm still confidant I think the longer it stays away the more it must come back, soon I'm 180 units down & I'm worried.
After more than 25 spins, it seems that the ball is landing 180° out from my sector all the time, finally after 28 spins number 21 comes up. A quick calculation shows that I need to up my bets threefold to recover, but that will be over the table limit so I play the table limit on all nine numbers & I try & increase my bets by adding chips to the 0-2 split & the 19-20-21 street – I know this bets on numbers out of my area but I desperate to recover my losses.
The 26-25 segment stays away for another 12 spins (1 hit in 40 spins) & I'm out of options & my 1000 bankroll is gone – as I walk away I hear the next spin & '17 black' is called out by the croupier.
I suppose the obvious needs to be stated – stick to a loss limit & walk away.
Quote from: Portsa on September 08, 2008, 03:27:18 PM
I'm thinking that everyone who has ever gambled has been in this situation....
...The 26-25 segment stays away for another 12 spins (1 hit in 40 spins) & I'm out of options & my 1000 bankroll is gone – as I walk away I hear the next spin & '17 black' is called out by the croupier.
I suppose the obvious needs to be stated – stick to a loss limit & walk away.
Wrong. Why do you expect a system to work just because you walked up to a table? Timing is everything. You need to test as you go and learn what it means when you recognize that your system is working at this moment. At least you should check to see if your system is in free fall before jumping on. It's not having a loss limit. You had one. It was your 1000 bankroll.
Now if you don't agree that someone listening to your comments is being too harsh in saying "wrong" then go ahead a get others here to hold your hand and tell you that your feelings are far more important here on this forum than your money is to you in your wallet. This is a teachable moment and not a time to woose out on political correctness.
Has anybody tried using the Atila progression with a John Solitude method?
I've had good initial results betting on 9 number sectors after they have only hit once in 17 spins (using Roulette Xtreme)
First session results:
using Sam's WJL Casino spins (9-2-8 P1 )
(91 spins)
£187 profit
Lowest: £-141
Any thoughts?
Ross
Ross,
17 spins? Wow. You could be waiting all day for something like that. That's good that you are winning though. I am surprised that you had only 91 spins to get that win. Congratulations!!
CPS
It comes up more often than you'd think. I suppose this kinda makes sense as there are 37 9-number sectors.
Further testing hasn't been as promising as that first session (isn't that always the way).
However, my thinking is that if a certain section has 'slept' for 17 spins, it's more likely to come up in subsequent spins. Either way using Atila with a 'John Solitude' way of playing seems to have legs.
Ross
Quote from: Portsa on September 08, 2008, 03:27:18 PM
I'm thinking that everyone who has ever gambled has been in this situation....
I've been practicing the Atila system for a while & I took the plunge last month & tried it out at my local casino.
I did very well, up 100 units in half an hours play & not going past a 3 unit bet. I've been waiting for 9 numbers adjacent on the wheel not to show for 8 spins before I start betting.
Then two weeks ago I had a long weekend at Sun City (casino resort) I played 8 sessions at an average of 30 to 40 spins each, & again 100 units up each time.
So last Sat**day I'm full of confidence & with a large bankroll I'm back at my local casino (you can see what's coming) now I've checked my records & all I need is a 200 unit win & I will have wiped out my accumulated loss for the year- what can go wrong?
I've got a 1000 unit BR & as I walk in I take the last seat on the table, within 20 minutes I'm up 180 units – just another win & I'm even for the year & I'm going home.
So 26-0-32-15-19-4-21-2-25 haven't appeared for 8 spins & I start betting 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 after a while no luck, but I'm still confidant I think the longer it stays away the more it must come back, soon I'm 180 units down & I'm worried.
After more than 25 spins, it seems that the ball is landing 180° out from my sector all the time, finally after 28 spins number 21 comes up. A quick calculation shows that I need to up my bets threefold to recover, but that will be over the table limit so I play the table limit on all nine numbers & I try & increase my bets by adding chips to the 0-2 split & the 19-20-21 street – I know this bets on numbers out of my area but I desperate to recover my losses.
The 26-25 segment stays away for another 12 spins (1 hit in 40 spins) & I'm out of options & my 1000 bankroll is gone – as I walk away I hear the next spin & '17 black' is called out by the croupier.
I suppose the obvious needs to be stated – stick to a loss limit & walk away.
Portsa
This is a serious question. Perhaps I simply cant find it, but where did you bet on the 17? If you did not bet on the 17, why would the dealer calling it out prick your ears?
Can anyone find where he bet on the 17? Help the Cat out of the bag!!
Sam
Quote from: ross_lawuk on September 16, 2008, 01:00:02 PM
CPS
It comes up more often than you'd think. I suppose this kinda makes sense as there are 37 9-number sectors.
Further testing hasn't been as promising as that first session (isn't that always the way).
However, my thinking is that if a certain section has 'slept' for 17 spins, it's more likely to come up in subsequent spins. Either way using Atila with a 'John Solitude' way of playing seems to have legs.
Ross
I would tend to agree with you there, Ross. I think that the 37 sectors idea is a good way of doing it, along with applying the ATILA.
I know the feeling. Its as if someone whispers in your ear: "you've outstayed your welcome! No matter what you do you will lose!"
I always get out before that happens.
Quote from Portsa:
So 26-0-32-15-19-4-21-2-25 haven't appeared for 8 spins & I start betting 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 after a while no luck, but I'm still confidant I think the longer it stays away the more it must come back, soon I'm 180 units down & I'm worried.
After more than 25 spins, it seems that the ball is landing 180° out from my sector all the time, finally after 28 spins number 21 comes up. A quick calculation shows that I need to up my bets threefold to recover, but that will be over the table limit so I play the table limit on all nine numbers & I try & increase my bets by adding chips to the 0-2 split & the 19-20-21 street – I know this bets on numbers out of my area but I desperate to recover my losses.
Portsa
I have colored red the numbers you say you were betting. Am I wrong? Where is the 17?
You say as you were walking away you head "17black" called out. I'm asking why you would write that? What did 17 have to do with your scheme or loosing?
Sam
Apologies - I should have said '15 black'.
Hi Portsa,
It is easy to talk about these things in hindsight but maybe there is a lesson here for al of us.
For 9 numbers not to come up in 27 spins the odds for single zero wheel are: (29/37)^27= 0.139% you had 99.86% chance of hitting one of the nine numbers.
Maybe your mistake was that you didn't recover all of your losses when you won on that 28th spin when 21 hit. In other words your progression was not good.
In any case you were desperately unlucky not to win. My condolences.
What if instead of playing sleepers you also played a few hot numbers and instead of playing straight up numbers you played lines or quads. That would have been easier on the bankroll.
Also always look for symptoms of dealer signature. If as you say the dealer kept hitting 180 degrees away you could have targeted that hot wheel sector.
I always advise myself and others to play for small winnings setting very small win targets and stop losses. Psychologically it is easier too. I bet you were a nervous wreck during and after play. Not good for your health.
You are not the first nor the last to make such mistakes. We all have to learn the hard way! >:D