lets get those thinking caps on whos got some ideas?
hey kiddo thank you for your system...man you bet 1000 per unit? you must be rich
you do this for living?
how hard is it to make consistent winning with baccarat?
well... i used to play this way
wait till 7 streak come up could be bank or player
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BBBBBBB P BB PP BBBB<<<see this fourth one after 7 streak right? i wait this to get up 3 or 4 then start betting using maybe 5 progressive.... I do win, but only problem is i have to wait for while..... can you test it for me?
thank you ... oh by the way your 2nd system is great.. you think it is good to try it?
Hi I find an idea at GG and I will post it soon. I have not test it but I did see a short test and it looks great.
But there is an issue here, more about that later.
I think we can add a tweak to this one if we make some basic changes.
Its based upon the principal of 1/2 and here is some results.
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Now you could do it with the principal of 1/3 or 1/2 as above.
We could use 2 or 3 formations to grind out a profit.
The key to succes is not to get a nice LW Registry where the W chops.
The key to succes is to know how to handel loses when fluctation appers "chaos".
We have to try to win more, break even more and hit loss limit less, as Lucky Strike says.
More to come...
pompado
Nice pompado...
I read your post at GG and I agree it would be great to find a "meaningful coincidences" if there exist one!
So this is going to be about "formations" and "attracting"?
Cheers Lucky Strike
POMPADO HI THERE YES PLEASE DO POST THE SYSTEM AS SOON AS POSIBLE AS THE RESULTS YOU POST LOOK FABLOUS . THANKS COLIN
I would not recomend you to use it.
Its just an idea and I only like the basic concept of it, I think there is a way to tweak it using LW Registry patterns.
I run a short test for 1000 and hit 4 loses in a row, but I did not use hes way of doing things.
More to come soon...
pompado
its not hard to win consistently in baccarat if you know what you are doing. Pattern methodology is pretty easy to play but I prefer to use systems/methods to play because I can keep a set of rules and follow them. Sometimes when you get emotional you start to play poorly and make mistakes and thats where alot of baccarat methods fail.
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here are outcomes of 5 shoes using the above method with a simple never back down progression. so far each shoe is up a decent amount of units. The rules I used was dominant bet selection. Pompado, I think your methodology is very good. With the two time bet selection. It works very well. so basically stealing some rules from my Dynamic Averages system heres what I came up with.
1. Start by playing 2 units on 2 banker outcomes if you hit it the first one stop.
2. IF the out come was BP you stay on banker as it is the dominant site (winning side)
3. IF the outcome was PB you switch to betting on player as it is now the dominant side
4. IF the outcome was PP you switch to betting on player as it is now the dominant side
Money Management?
start with $10 units, NEVER bet 1 unit, always start at 2.
For every WIN you stay at the same bet, for every LOSS you increase bet by 1 unit.
This is a quick 10 minute tweak to your methodology pampado! awesome work! 4 shoes and you are already up 156 units!
Hi, Kiddo, can this be transformed to roulette? (even chances)
Best regards
kawa4711
Thanks kiddo.
kawa4711 - Yes it can its the same thing, but with baccarat you have the commison and with roulette you have zero.
pompado
mmm well. I gave it a quick run for fun at the casino using $100 units. Did quite well I was surprised! bought in for 2500 and left with 11000 3 shoes later. Pompado I think you should think aobut it alittle more and see if we can tweak it.
Hello Kiddo.
My Mate Old Lanky is a little confused.
Please help me understand this Cobber as this does look very Good.
Its Important for Me because our Min out here on Bacc Table is $25.(Nothing to You)
But to Me not knowing how to play could get Me in trouble.
...
1. Start by playing 2 units on 2 banker outcomes if you hit it the first one stop.
BB << we now Play Banker
2. IF the out come was BP you stay on banker as it is the dominant site (winning side)
BBpB<<ok we win here.
Now where do we go.? Like would it be like this BBpB/BB << and then bet ??
3. IF the outcome was PB you switch to betting on player as it is now the dominant side
This one has Me Confused mate.??
Can you give a sample Please.
4. IF the outcome was PP you switch to betting on player as it is now the dominant side
Ok so if it went.
BBpp<< we now bet P right ? (if so then our trouble would be the BBppBBpp Scenaro Right ?)
Thanks in advance Mate.
I appreciate it.
Lanky
PS
Ok I think You answered this in the other thread.
Your playing the Decision before the last.
Hey Lanky
#2 if you have BB PB you will be playing on player next.
example:
here is a part of a shoe I played last night
PB PB BP PB BP BP PP BP BP PP PB PP PB
LW W LW LW LW W LL LW W LL W W W
now the event tracking would look like this in a row under
- W - - - W L - W L W W W
The bet selection would be like this,
2 2 2 2 2 2 -4 3 -6 4 4 4
So heres a play by play.
PB comes out player is dominant we play player for the next two hands.
PB comes out we stop after we win on the first player and wait for the bank to go by.
BP bank comes out first we lose our first bet, we bet another 2 units on player again and we win. This is a break even event which the "-" stands for under event tracking.
PB same as the last hand lose the first hand and win the second, we bet on bank both hands though because it was the dominant one in the pair.
BP same as above.
BP same as above. we bet on bank for the next two hands. Bank comes out in the first hand of the pair we stop and wait for event to pass by
PP we bet on bank both hands here and we lose bringing us down 4 units TOTAL. And this is recorded as an L under our event tracker. remember to increase your unit by 1.
BP bank dominant, we were betting on player. break even event
BP now we bet on bank win the first hand wait out the second hand.
PP another losing event record -6 on score tracker increase base unit by 1
PB betting on player as it was dominant win first hand wait out the second
PP same as above
PB same as above
+15 units over all not bad. Playing like this you only lose to one pattern. that is if it goes 3 in a row and a 2 in a row and goes back to a 3 in a row and then to a 2 in a row
IE
PPP BB PPP BB PPP BB PPP BB or vice versa. you win on EVERY other kind of pattern and break even on PP BB PP BB PP BB patterns. Which makes this method VERY powerful
Kiddo.
Thanks Mate .
Your a Champion Cobber.
Good On Ya Mate.
Lanky
another update just came back from the casino. bought in for 2000, I left with 11,000. Highest bet? 400 bucks believe it or not. the equivalent of 4 units. And I made this in 2 shoes.
It appears to me John he has done that on quite a few occasions. Maybe you might have a system you would like to post instead of consistent criticism.
By the way Kiddo have done well with 2 of the systems you have given me.
Keep up the good work Kiddo,
Thanks Matilda
Hi John.
QuoteDo I take that as an indication of the quality on this board.
Well My Friend thats what we are here for is to improve the quality of help that we can give to eachother.
Feel free to do Your part Mate...We would all appreciate it.
QuoteSomebody posts a system, which will lose you money and they get thanked (for sharing)
Yes I thanked Kiddo for sharing with Us what He was doing.
And to tell You the truth if Baccarat was a horse I would be hard pressed to tell the difference from its head to its backside.
I think all systems will lose at some point John.
QuoteAs for me posting a system, I've posted many, just not here. Aren't your fingers capable of doing some walking, or would you like it served in a bread basket.
OK this is easy for You change John all You have to do is start posting them here.
We can all learn from You then.
Good point You bring up about about Your Systems & how to find them John that part was helpful.
So now all We have to do is just type in Baccarat Systems by John ????
Its obvious that You can Talk the Walk John.
But its now time for You to step up & have a go Mate.
Lanky.
RE READ THE TOPIC AGAIN. This is NOT a FIBBO what is your problem? do you honestly think that all I play is FIBBO? Because unless you post something that makes money I think you are just an ignorant fool posting out of his ass. Oh and by the way the shoe you just posted
PP
PB - bet player here 1 unit win
BP - even event
BB - win 1 unit here
PP - lose 2 units here
BP - even event
PP - lose 4 units here
BB - lose 6 units here
BB - win 4 units here
BP - win 4 units here
PB - even event
BP - even event
BB - win 4 units here
after all said and done this system wins 2 units after your trash shoe you posted. Pretty crappy shoe but still wins. And sure as hell not with the fibbon that you are raving about REREAD THE POST you ignorant brat.
PPPBBPBBPPBPPPBBBBBPPBBPBB
WLLLWLLLLWWLWLLWWWLLLLWWL
your biggest bet using my methodology and fibbo progression from my system number 2 would of been 13 units. ohhh noo whoopie for someone of your "Stature" you can surely afford 13 units right? and would of won you 6 units. You have done nothing but criticize why don't you fly up here and we'll go play baccarat. Atleast I'll put my money where my mouth is. Or even better post up 100 shoes from the casino and I'll show you how those shoes would have won.
If any one thinks he or she has a great method, then its up to them to share or not.
If they talk money an say how well they have done, its up to them.
Here you can post a bad or a good strategy.
Its up to the individual to test it or tweak it and find out the truth.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi Kiddo,
Thanks for sharing.
Just wanna clarify one point. In your previous posting, you mentioned
"you win on EVERY other kind of pattern and break even on PP BB PP BB PP BB patterns. Which makes this method VERY powerful"
If I understood your play correctly, you will be betting on the dominant side.
That is, if BB the the next two hands will also be betting BB. If it's PP, then
you will be betting the next 2 hands for PP.
If I'm correct, then the nemesis for this kinda method play will be the 2-2 pattern i.e. BBppBBpp.
So, your statement above is not correct then.
Appreciate your comments. Thanks
Eric
Quote from: John on September 27, 2008, 11:08:51 AM
Well spotted, if some weren't so ignorant, or focused more on what they trying to achieve rather throw insults around, then the pairing in two's can be reduced to losing against a portion of two's and winning against all else, therefore making it better than DBL. But who am I to make such a stupid suggestion.
Lucky - in that case it's a good job sellers are not allowed on this site, it protects the members from making stupid decisions, such as throwing their money away, alas there are other options.
Excuse me if I run, I'm off to make a few more thousand pounds in the next hour to go on top of the £8500 I won yesterday, courtesy of my local casino. Obviously some like to read this kind of shit, and it's perfectly fine to gloat in front of those $10 bettors here, so I thought I will oblige.
john........what system r u playing......can u pls.show us?thanks
John
I looked on GG and couldn't find it, new forum or old one? Point us all in the right direction. Would like to check your systems out.
Matilda
John i for 1 would love to find your system .Please tell me and others the date of your post on GG I thank you Colin
John you posted a shoe and I beat it with BOTH of the systems I posted. Lets see how "great" your system is. Can it beat what I posted?
as for this
If I understood your play correctly, you will be betting on the dominant side.
That is, if BB the the next two hands will also be betting BB. If it's PP, then
you will be betting the next 2 hands for PP.
If I'm correct, then the nemesis for this kinda method play will be the 2-2 pattern i.e. BBppBBpp.
So, your statement above is not correct then.
It is correct; Here is a shoe recently played with this method
BP BP BB BP BP PB BB BP PB PB BB BB PP BP BP PP BP BB PP PB BP PB BP PP BP BP BB PB PB BP PB PB BP PB PP PB PB PP BB
W W W W - L W - W L W L - W L - W L W - - - L - W W - W - - W - - W W W W L
There was a 4 2-2 event that occurred twice
Even flat betting here you would have made +2 units
With the progression you would have made 22 units.
If your up to the challenge John lets see how your "great" system would have done on this shoe. Surely if its so good it would beat 22 units easily. But if your not up to the challenge then just shut your trap because you are nothing more then a liar. Just like lanky said, you can talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?
Quote from: kiddo on September 26, 2008, 03:17:09 AM
another update just came back from the casino. bought in for 2000, I left with 11,000. Highest bet? 400 bucks believe it or not. the equivalent of 4 units. And I made this in 2 shoes.
whats units size r u betting with my friend kiddo?
Quote from: John on October 02, 2008, 05:16:48 AM
<Lets see how "great" your system is.>
Some are like a bunch of cackling school girls, gimme, gimme, prove it, hand it to me on a plate, feed me for no effort on my part.
If I wanted to assist strangers, especially those who attempt to titillate with stories of nearly tripling bankrolls, and posting losing system such as DBL and throw insults. I would rather share with my fellow gamblers I see at the tables, or I would have posted a full system on GG. So why do you think I will be goaded into posting on this board?
You can call it hot air and a liar this and that, same as I can spout I've won over £15 grand in the last two weeks, it means absolutely nothing. Talking about specific monetary amounts is nothing short of crass.
It doesn't matter what I would or would not have made on that shoe, which is a true sign of your naivety. It doesn't matter how much somebody wins, it is how much somebody doesn't lose which is more significant. It is being able to repeat that feat over and over, not about I won X amount of units. You sound like a true amateur with little long term experience.
I walk the walk many times per week. If I ever feel the urge to prove anything, I will accept invitations to sit next to me at my venue. Posting on a board to indulge in childish "prove it" contests, I don't do. So all that leaves you, is a grouping of two column approach and / or DBL with a Fibonacci.
Tread carefully and take it with a pinch of salt.
If you don't like the attitude, obviously you haven't played much. Casino's have been known to be friendly places when you lose often. Otherwise they can be hostile, from staff and fellow players. You have to watch your chips, watch the dealer who are prone to jealously and will speed or slow games to throw you. Mind games from the pit staff, hassles from security. If you think they present a lovely environment where everybody is your friend and bends over to help each other, I suggest you step into the real world more often.
john.......why not just post your system here,as for gg no one found your post,y keep argueing when u dun help fellow members....anyway its just the casinos $$$(unless u own a casino),at least kiddo post a system to help,whether he post a system its workable or not,he tried his best to help us out then just blablabla....as u know nothing in this world is guranteed 100% or else there wun be more more casinos in town.......no heart feelings john but i just 1 2 comment on y dun both of u work out a system together n kick the casinos ass.goodluck
I find this so boring, why do you want a complete strategy or a system?
If you want to find a way to play baccarat you can start a new post and ask a question.
Like, what is "my ante your ante?" is it the same thing as to use a template.
A question like "how do I use a template?" and "what is it based upon?"
There is many questions you can post or start to explore.
What is clustering?
What is a periodic event?
What is attracting?
What is a strike distribution?
What is a bet selection?
What is correction?
Does it exist in the short term or just for the long run?
What is menigsfull concicdence and does it exist?
How can I find one?
Do I need to win at every step using a progression?
Can I flat betting with 20 units and win 2 units --- 30 to 40 times in a row?
As you see it isnt so difficult, ask questions, explore and make a test.
So why is there so many members here that want everything served on a silver plate?
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi Lucky.
Mate this thread was started by Kiddo & its title is.
QuoteThrowing some ideas around for new systems.
Now if its for new systems then of course it has to be built from next to nothing.
And yes there will be people that want everything explained to them from the very beginning I would be one of those people as I know nothing about Baccarat.
Just the same as when You asked Me about the Lw Method I explained everything I could to You Mate.
Let the people ask what they want....That way we will get New systems or Ideas that some have never thought of before and that way people can make up their minds if they want to play Roulette or Baccarat or Both.
This Forum was built on Questions & Answers & the sharing of ideas.
Lanky.
Hey Guys.
Wouldn't that be something.
If John & Kiddo could work together for the benifit of the Forum.
How powerful would that be.......Super Idea VICLIMKS.
Lanky
Lanky:
QuoteLet the people ask what they want....That way we will get New systems or Ideas that some have never thought of before and that way people can make up their minds if they want to play Roulette or Baccarat or Both.
I agree totaly and that was exacly my point Lanky.
I know my eng. is bad.
I have sent a personal PM to Kiddo and thank him for sharing, I like him and would like more of that kind of posts.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi guys,
Take a look at this shoe. It's one of the LIVE shoe I'd recorded in the past and out of curiosty, I decided to try it out using Kiddo's method. As you can see, it didn't perform well and at the end of shoe, you just lost approx. -80 units. And shoe like this one is pretty common.
Consider yourself warned!
Anyway, thanks to Kiddo for sharing and I hope you dont mind. I'm not here to bash anyone's system - I'm just giving out my findings based on your system. It's better to loose on paper rather than got burn in the casino.
Cheers.
Here you go . . .
B P P B B P B P B B B B P P P B P B P B B B P P B P B P B P P P P P B B B
B B B B B P P P P P B B P B P B P B P P B P B P B P B B P B B B P P P B B
For curiosity, I try this shoe with my system. Playing all from start to end with highest bet 3 units, it comes up 18 units. It is very nice shoe for me. It is not fair to show the show with too many doubles to the DBL bet selection because 2,2,2,2 is nemesis. Well each system has a good time and bad time. The matter is the time you get to the shoe. Chao! Dylan
With conservative negative MM, we can override the nemesis with good bankroll. For ex, your bet selection is FTL, you will lose all the 1st row, but you will win with all streaks. All you need is few streaks here and there to recover your loss at the higher bet, then you come back to the basic bet. I agree with you about MM. You can even use Kiddo pair bet selection combined with stretched D'Alermbert to play. You said you use template bet selection and I am familiar with Wealth Bac system. Do you happen to know this guy and how do you think about his method? Thank buddy. Dylan.
Just out of curiosity. Has anyone seen any new system in the last several years. Everything has been done by now. Things get renamed and rewritten but theres not anything new under the sun. Just our take on it.....GL bj
John.
I am sorry that there is not many replies or attempts to do that shoe thingy.
OK I will have a go at it for You Mate.
Just tell Me if I have the thing in the correct order.
Line1
BB-PB-PB-BB-BB-PP-BP-PP-BP-BP-BB-BB-PP-PB-PP-BB-PP-BB-PP-BP
Line 2
BB-BP-PB-PP-BB-PP-BB-PB-BP-PB-PB-PB-PP-PP-BP-BB-BB
If thats how its suppose to be set out I will try & do it from what I have learnt so Far from both Kiddo & John.
Just a simple Yes or No will do.
Lanky
HIi John,
Try to use kiddo bet selection and Alembert with a twist as follows :
0 w1 L2 w2 w2 0 L2 0 w2 w2 w1 L2 w2 w2 L2 L4 L6 L8 0 w5 w5 0 w4 L8 L10 L12 0 0 0 w7 w7 w6 w6 0 w5 w5
B P P B B P B P B B B B P P P B P B P B B B P P B P B P B P P P P P B B B
B B B B B P P P P P B B P B P B P B P P B P B P B P B B P B B B P P P B B
Highest bet 7 units.
Result: W = 64 units.
L = 56 units.
it is not bad for the DBL bet selection encounter many doubles.
How do you think?
Dylan
Quote from: John on October 02, 2008, 09:23:25 AM
Perhaps if somebody has time, they could run Kiddo's 2 col' methodology against this 8 deck shoe.
B P P B B P B P B B B B P P P B P B P B B B P P B P B P B P P P P P B B B
B B B B B P P P P P B B P B P B P B P P B P B P B P B B P B B B P P P B B
Decisions run top to bottom left to right.
This is test but using Kiddo´s System1 following 4 last outcomes (betting on dominant side) and with 1,2,4,8,etc. progression.
B
B
P
B ----> bet B
------
p
B +1
B No bet ---> Now bet B
------
B +1 +2
------
B +1 +3
------
B +1 +4
------
P -1
P -2
B +1 +5
------
P - No Bet +5
------
P +1 +6
------
P +1 +7
------
B -1
P +1 +8
------
B -1
P +1 +9
------
B - No bet +9
------
B - No bet +9
------
B +1 +10
------
B +1 +11
------
P -1
P -2
P -4
B +1 +12
------
P +1 +13
------
P +1 +14
------
B -1
B -2
P +1 +15
------
P - No bet +15
------
B - No bet +15
------
B - No bet +15
------
P - No bet +15
------
P - No bet +15
------
B - No bet +15
------
P - No bet +15
------
B -1
B -2
B -4
P +1 +16
------
P -1
B +1 +17
------
P - No bet +17
------
P +1 +18
------
B -1
B -2
P +1 +19
------
P - No bet +19
------
B - No bet +19
------
B - No bet +19
------
P - No bet +19
------
B - No bet +19
------
B +1 +20
------
P -1
P -2
B +1 +21
------
P - No bet +21
------
P +1 +22
------
P +1 +23
------
B -1
P +1 +24
------
P +1 +25
------
P +1 +26
------
P +1 +27
Profit = 27 chips
Cheers,
JLP.-