Please tell me what you think of these systems

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[know when to quit]

be in chat room at 10:00

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+35, lucky again
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I didn't realize before that the 15 was a warm number
11 blacks, 5 reds, 1st column sleeping
same bet: 1,7,16,19,25,34,0,00 (cold reds in the 1st column)

Know When To Quit, I'd appreciate your feedback on our practice session.

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Since I can't manage to attach the spreadsheet, here's what you're missing:

1
2
3
4
5  11
6  2,8,14
7
8
9
10
11  4
12
13
14
15  1,17
16
17  10,12
18
19
20
21
22
23  13
24
25
26  16
27
28
29
30  5
31
32
33  3,9
34
35
36  6,7
0    18
00  15

1  17
2  8,14
3  9
4
5
6  7

So the 15 was one of the 1st 6 cold numbers; I missed that.

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Since I can't manage to attach the spreadsheet, here's what you're missing:

1
2
3
4
5  11
6  2,8,14
7
8
9
10
11  4
12
13
14
15  1,17
16
17  10,12
18
19
20
21
22
23  13
24
25
26  16
27
28
29
30  5
31
32
33  3,9
34
35
36  6,7
0    18
00  15

1  17
2  8,14
3  9
4
5
6  7

So the 15 was one of the 1st 6 cold numbers; I missed that.

Hi Sam,

Please explain where did you get #1. 17, #2 (8,14) etc...

Thanks

[birdhands]

22.  Finally the 1st column hit, but on a black.  That number was in the biggest cold sector, though.

1-6 are the oldest numbers, the first 6 to hit, therefore the best cold numbers to bet, I think.  KWTQ could explain it better.  Refer back to my original explanation for more info.

CCCCCCWWWCCWCHCCWCC   13 cold, 6 repeats

we should keep betting cold, although technically the 0 and 00 are warm now; we could replace them with 4 and 5

we're at +27

I just think that when playing inside numbers, the 0 and 00 are just 2 more pockets like the rest.  KWTQ could weigh in on this too.

Gotta hit the sack; big day tomorrow.

Sam

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Just to clarify:

Hot numbers are numbers that show the most hits on your graph.....it usually looks like a bell curve personal decision on how far down to play the hot numbers usually plan on every 5-8 hits should be a hot number..meaning play about 8 hot numbers when the "curve showes its time for a hot number to hit. remember the exp. curve rule you will have twice as many single hits as a hot number as you will have doubles (back to back hot numbers) on a hot number, so its best to review (mentally) how many previous hits (singles or doubles or triples) have occured.

Do the same with cold numbers or sleepers .... I find it is best to play the largest sector of sleepers on your graph paper....usually after a 141 spins your cold numbers become your hot ones so stay alert.

Always (personal opinion...the only difference in 0 and 00 is it is more difficult to place bets all around the number unlike other numbers you expect to hit) play a recovery bet on your 0 00 this buys you a spin to hit on your suspected numbers on your graph....sometimes your 0 00 become hot numbers.

if playing a cold sector and you get a hit say on number 22 look back at the log (record of previous numbers) and see if the twenties have had repeat hits...for instance you just get a hit in the sleeping sector of 20 the previous log show this
20........24..........29.......26......21
No repeat hits in the twenties....place another bet in the twenties and another bet on the repeat number...you can pull up any actual and see that sectors usually repeat sometimes up to 6 times (although rarely) usually after a long dormant period.

I have a new easier way to chart your numbers less complicated if you would like to see.

I have been watching your simulation ( 2 reasons to not respond 1. I honestly didn't have time I was keeping tabs through my cell phone. 2. The curve is something you have to learn with LOTS of practice...it can not be told to you) and your on the right track....I usually do not keep that close tabs on streets and collumns, just mentally. It is great practice though to understand how the curve works in actual play. The opening game requires a different tactic than the middle to late game. Some thing I have found that works well is the first 6 spins if you have no repeats..it is too early to play hot or cold so look at your graph. You will usually have numbers (hits) spaces and numbers. Bet on the number in front of and after the hit..for instance if you have marked hits as 2-9-12-16-33-36, place bets with the idea of a progression on 1-3-8-10-11-13-15-17-32-34-35-0.....if you have a hit start playing all the numbers last hit...once you have a hit you have your new hot number to always play till other hits over take it as a hot number. Next play your large sleeping sector, then play your last 5 or first 5 numbers on your new graph (like I mentioned I have a new way to graph that has worked great for me..I will explain in chat) but stay on the first or last 5 untill they hit. Don't jump off, your odds decrease. (its called the let's make a deal or monty hall  paradox....door number 1, door number 2, door number 3)


More later

I will be in the chat room for about an hour if you would like to drop in.


If you are wondering how the system is going I am still winning. Since my new graph I am playing it slower but am using less bankroll to start. I used a bank roll of 400 and cashed out after 2 hours of play 7000 +. usually it is between 3000 and 6000. I went yesterday to a live wheel and cashed out after 45 min plus 500 units. It is much harder to play a live wheel because of speed at which bets are placed is effected. I have started working on my friendship with the casino owner. Showing him tips and how to train his people to be on the lookout for thievs. Along with when to balance his wheel. One thing he told me that I didn't realize is he welcomes winners like me. He is kind because he expects me to return but mostly because winners attract looser. Something I am trying to change.

[hb5810]

Hi KWTQ, I know its a big ask but would it be possible for you to give like a thorough explanation from the beginning of how the system works.  I'm a complete newby to playing roulette in general so it would be a great help if you do.  Thanks

[seykid29]

Hi KWTW im doing it this way.Tracking Line bet 1-6.For each line bet i have 2 collums,1 for spin number,the other for spaces between each hit for the Line bet.A line is number 1-6,7-12 etc..i find it easier,as im placing only one bet for 6 numbers,and with small progression.PRACTISE IS THE KEY.

[harrican]

Do the same with cold numbers or sleepers .... I find it is best to play the largest sector of sleepers on your graph paper....usually after a 141 spins your cold numbers become your hot ones so stay alert.

Hi, nice to see you again

Sorry was that a typo? or we are to track 141 spins? or do you mean a 1 - 4 - 1 hot/cold combo?

[birdhands]

if playing a cold sector and you get a hit say on number 22 look back at the log (record of previous numbers) and see if the twenties have had repeat hits...for instance you just get a hit in the sleeping sector of 20 the previous log show this
20........24..........29.......26......21
No repeat hits in the twenties....place another bet in the twenties and another bet on the repeat number...

I'm confused here.  20,24,29,etc; these definitely look like repeat hits in the twenties.  Can anyone help me?  Maybe I'm missing something.

[know when to quit]

the dots in between the numbers are where the wheel has landed on other numbers other than 20s.

afte 141 spins hots can become cold and vise versa.

I really overstayed my welcome yesterday. I was curious how much I could win if I went more than 2 hours, so I stayed 11:30 to 4:00 winnings over 8000 PURE winnings. over 13,000 in total winnings. i am trying to get free to go to st. louis or vegas soon......although the thought of it makes me  very nervous.

[JustIionutzzz]

First of all I wanna congratulate you KWTQ for your winnings, it seems that you are very experienced and you get throw any situation you encounter even when the casino is trying to back you off .  .  .  Second of all, I started to read all of you messages from when the thread started but unfortunately I got lost on the road (and of what I have seen, I think that a lot of people are in this position ) .  .  .  So could you explain in small steps how are you analyzing the numbers .  .  .  in what types do you divide them ( I mean hot-cold-worm, dozens, columns, red-black etc.  ) .  .  .  Another thing that I guess we all didn't understood it is that curve that you expect, who do you make that curve? you make a graph on excel? what values you enter? .  .  .  I think it would be much more effective if you could give an example of let's say 25-35 numbers and tell us what you do from start, I mean first you right down you first 10 numbers (or i don't know), then .  .  .  and so on .  .  .  It would really help us .  .  .  I do not have so much experience but I am neither a beginner at roulette but unfortunately you put me in a big mist .  .  .  I would really appreciate if you could explain it to us in small steps your system (of what I've searched, this is the most complicated and elevated system) .  .  .  thank you and congratulation for what you accomplished, for the effort that you made on this thread .  .  . 

[birdhands]

Just to clarify:

Hot numbers are numbers that show the most hits on your graph.....it usually looks like a bell curve personal decision on how far down to play the hot numbers usually plan on every 5-8 hits should be a hot number..meaning play about 8 hot numbers when the "curve showes its time for a hot number to hit. remember the exp. curve rule you will have twice as many single hits as a hot number as you will have doubles (back to back hot numbers) on a hot number, so its best to review (mentally) how many previous hits (singles or doubles or triples) have occured.

Do the same with cold numbers or sleepers .... I find it is best to play the largest sector of sleepers on your graph paper....usually after a 141 spins your cold numbers become your hot ones so stay alert.

Always (personal opinion...the only difference in 0 and 00 is it is more difficult to place bets all around the number unlike other numbers you expect to hit) play a recovery bet on your 0 00 this buys you a spin to hit on your suspected numbers on your graph....sometimes your 0 00 become hot numbers.

if playing a cold sector and you get a hit say on number 22 look back at the log (record of previous numbers) and see if the twenties have had repeat hits...for instance you just get a hit in the sleeping sector of 20 the previous log show this
20........24..........29.......26......21
No repeat hits in the twenties....place another bet in the twenties and another bet on the repeat number...you can pull up any actual and see that sectors usually repeat sometimes up to 6 times (although rarely) usually after a long dormant period.

I have a new easier way to chart your numbers less complicated if you would like to see.

I have been watching your simulation ( 2 reasons to not respond 1. I honestly didn't have time I was keeping tabs through my cell phone. 2. The curve is something you have to learn with LOTS of practice...it can not be told to you) and your on the right track....I usually do not keep that close tabs on streets and collumns, just mentally. It is great practice though to understand how the curve works in actual play. The opening game requires a different tactic than the middle to late game. Some thing I have found that works well is the first 6 spins if you have no repeats..it is too early to play hot or cold so look at your graph. You will usually have numbers (hits) spaces and numbers. Bet on the number in front of and after the hit..for instance if you have marked hits as 2-9-12-16-33-36, place bets with the idea of a progression on 1-3-8-10-11-13-15-17-32-34-35-0.....if you have a hit start playing all the numbers last hit...once you have a hit you have your new hot number to always play till other hits over take it as a hot number. Next play your large sleeping sector, then play your last 5 or first 5 numbers on your new graph (like I mentioned I have a new way to graph that has worked great for me..I will explain in chat) but stay on the first or last 5 untill they hit. Don't jump off, your odds decrease. (its called the let's make a deal or monty hall  paradox....door number 1, door number 2, door number 3)


More later

I will be in the chat room for about an hour if you would like to drop in.


If you are wondering how the system is going I am still winning. Since my new graph I am playing it slower but am using less bankroll to start. I used a bank roll of 400 and cashed out after 2 hours of play 7000 +. usually it is between 3000 and 6000. I went yesterday to a live wheel and cashed out after 45 min plus 500 units. It is much harder to play a live wheel because of speed at which bets are placed is effected. I have started working on my friendship with the casino owner. Showing him tips and how to train his people to be on the lookout for thievs. Along with when to balance his wheel. One thing he told me that I didn't realize is he welcomes winners like me. He is kind because he expects me to return but mostly because winners attract loser. Something I am trying to change.

Wow.  There's a lot in here.  So KWTQ, you weren't playing live wheels all this time?  What were you playing?

Personally I can't wait to see the new chart.

Why exactly 141?

So for everybody else, I think KWTQ is pointing out that RR happens half as many times as R, and BBB happens half as many times as BB, singles, doubles, triples, etc.  So  if we see a lot of single occurrences, like  those 5 single 20's in his example, we should have 2.5 doubles by now, and 1.25 triples, so we should bet again on any 20.  I hope I'm clarifying so KWTQ can spend less time repeating himself and we can learn more.  Please tell me if I'm stating the obvious.  And KWTQ please tell me if I'm misrepresenting you or just getting it wrong.

So then he goes on to tell us how to play the beginning part of a session.  Wait for 6 numbers w/out a repeat, then bet all the numbers adjacent on the table to those six.  You might need a progression.  Once you get a hit you then play all the numbers hit so far until a repeat happens.  Then play that repeat, which is now your hot number, and always play your hot number alongside whatever else you're playing (I'm not sure about this part).  Other repeats may overtake this number as the new hot numbers.  Meanwhile you are playing the largest cold sector.  Then there is a new part about playing the first and last 5 hits according to the new chart which we haven't seen yet.

So if we had played this session this way, we would have started with 15,6,33,11,30,36.  We would have first bet on 14,16,5,7,32,34,10,12,29,31,35,0, and 00.  Then 36 would hit.  This brings up the question would we keep betting the adjacent numbers or switch to playing the 36 as the hot number.  Then 6 and 33 hit, two more repeats, but the sectors were still too big until the 13th spin, so what to bet?  After the 13th spin, if we had bet the biggest sector we would have hit on spin 3, and then again on spin 3 if we bet the biggest sector again.  Plus the zeros.  Much better than my reds on 1st column sector idea.

Sam

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