Please tell me what you think of these systems

[marvin]

you marked x on spin 9 

ok, this is how you graph, it seems like I can somehow visualize it.
generally the best positions to bet are 2 - 3  as 1 might stay there forever or 4 might be  not be coming out sooner? But still its too big 18 numbers + green.
how do you decide which position to bet?

[know when to quit]

Yep that is it. I only use 9 numbers plus green. Try to plot 1 and 4 using the curve, always is safe 2 and 3. Good job. I explained some reasoning in the comments boxes in the sheet. I will pull a list of actuals and go into it spin by spin.

[marvin]

I got some numbers from from alfastreet(european) here in local casino.
I did some graphing, can you please check and confirm if I am doing it correctly?


spin   #   sector   x's   position
            
1   9   3   x   
2   20   3   x   1
3   28   4   x   
4   29   4   x   2
5   27   2   x   
6   33   3   x   1
7   24   3   x   3
8   22   4   x   1
9   23   2   x   1
10   31   3   x   1
11   25   1   x   
12   6   2   x   2
13   17   1   x   3
14   14   3   x   2
15   13   2   x   2
16   29   4   x   1
17   13   2   x   3
18   9   3   x   2
19   27   2   x   3
20   28   4   x   2
21   15   1   x   1
22   12   4   x   3
23   8   2   x   2
24   28   4   x   3
25   19   1      2
26   9   3   x   1
27   33   3      4
28   0   x   x   x
29   29   4   x   2
30   26   4   x   4
31   26   4      4
32   13   2   x   1
33   10   2   x   4
34   6   2   x   4
35   13   2      4
36   0   x   x   x



if I got this correctly then WOOOOWWWW!!!!  finally after 1.5yrs I can really say that I can see "the curve"
if we are only to bet on positions 2 & 3 + green.

thanks you very much for your patience KWTQ


below is the remaining 48spins to those who wanted to continue.
read as left to right then next line.

30   17   33   27   16   15
27   15   1   31   7   30
22   4   6   19   35   31
15   0   20   34   21   1
3   13   32   12   33   16
2   25   27   20   4   36
24   10   17   30   4   20
31   5   8   23   12   0

[marvin]

thank you very much KWTQ

[know when to quit]

Hmmmm, I have never tried winning just by playing on Two's and three's I will have to look over your success. I have found much better success than what you are showing by applying the curve as the numbers fall. I doubt over long term you will show winnings just by using two's and three's but I have never tested it to find out.

[marvin]

Hmmmm, I have never tried winning just by playing on Two's and three's I will have to look over your success. I have found much better success than what you are showing by applying the curve as the numbers fall. I doubt over long term you will show winnings just by using two's and three's but I have never tested it to find out.

yeap i can understand to that ... but over my experience 2 & 3 are much more reliable. might probably add 4 from time to time depends on the curve. problem with playing too much on 4 is it tends to be too steep that it already and that anytime the curve will somehow normalize to its natural form/order? probably its more on the expectation
and 1? hmmm we already experienced, never play on the sleepers/cold numbers.

to those who still didnt get it.
1 = cold
2 = warm
3 = warm
4 = hot

[know when to quit]

Cold warm warm hot is a bit too simplified because it is so fluid/dynamic. There are other things to consider, watch how the numbers and sectors trade places, use the curve to plot the timing and you will do very well.

[ausguy]

klw & others - Good luck to all TRUE BELIEVERS who have embraced something that has eluded gambling since day one, up until now. - PREDICTING THE FUTURE.

I shall still view your posts on here with the expectation of reading all about your path to true wealth.

Oh wait a minute, that's the HOLY GRAIL that countless posts have spoken about since gambling forums began, WOW !

I'm off now to play baccarat - bye.

[know when to quit]

Good luck.  Hope you win a bundle!

[kes]

Hi kwtq,

I still a bit blur on the below:

1) Place markers - what is this place marker? Your place marker means to bet? or

2) Position of hit? I saw this comment "This tells you that your last sector is in the 3rd position of 4. A quick glance of the squares without x's will show you the sector that is sleeping, and show the space between hits of any sector. "
May i know what is it about? thanks

[marvin]

Cold warm warm hot is a bit too simplified because it is so fluid/dynamic. There are other things to consider, watch how the numbers and sectors trade places, use the curve to plot the timing and you will do very well.

yep i agree, as there are some other curves to look at.  what was discuss back there was only the curve of position which cud be sometimes be abnormal, it shows in one of your pics before where there are lots on 1 & 4 .... later on it will normalize... so i would suggest for us beginners wait until the curve normalize then attack.

shall we move to the advance part KWTQ? .... i like it bit im beginning to love it

[klw]

Thank you for excel sheet and time put into it. I don't feel very clever at the moment as I don't understand how the " position of hit " is calculated despite all the helpful notes. Can anyone explain it please ?

[marvin]

hi klw,

same here didnt exactly get the position part at first.
try to read it spin-by-spin and obser the position column.
the number there is on the number of cells without x until your sector.

say the sectors that comes out are

1
2
3
2

notice that sector 2 repeat.
so you count the last time it appears and mark it with x
in this example it should look like this

1
2    x
3
2         2

next sector is still 2, so it will be position 3, as it is the third sector without x
then it will look like this

1
2    x
3
2    x    2
2          3


hope this helps as im having hard typing over phone

[klw]

Thank you Marvin , I really appreciate your effort at trying to help me especially via phone.The light bulb hasen't gone on yet lol , still trying to get my head around it.

[klw]

Hi Marvin -- I need to disect this in greater detail, hopefully by a process of elimination I will get there.

you typed

" the number there is on the number of cells without x until your sector. "

I am assuming " your sector " means the current spin sector , so this could be any of them rather than looking for a specific sector , please correct me if I am wrong. So ......

1
2    x
3
2         2

there are 2 sectors without an X 1 and 3, NOT INCLUDING the current spin and so you rightly put 2 along side of the last sector spun .

now we have ---

1
2    x
3
2    x    2
2          3

So as far as I can see we STILL have only 2 sectors without an X 1 and 3,NOT INCLUDING the current spin,yet you have a 3 along side the last sector spun,this does not make sense to me.

Now I will assume that we are looking for a specific sector , in your examples sector 2 as this is the only sector to hit. So I will assume the current spun sector is measured since its last appearance. So .....

1
2    x
3
2         2

Sector 2 has just hit , it is 2 spins since last hit , including current spin and also a bit confusingly there are no X's in the last 2 spins so we enter a 2 along side the last sector spun.

Then .........

1
2    x
3
2    x    2
2          3

So we are still looking at a specific sector again in this case sector 2 as it is the current spin, so we count back for the last time sector 2 hit and it is a repeat so we should be entering a 1 along side the last sector hit,yet you have a 3

I really appreciate people's patience with me on this til I finally " get it " maybe there are others out there struggling with this and also we have people's second languages involved so it can't be easy I'm sure but am I completely thinking the wrong way on this ?

Is it possible that say when a sector is tagged as position 3 that positions 1 and 2 can be pointed out so that we can tie it all in together ?

Many thanks in anticipation ...........

[klw]

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