Hi All,
I was reading an old book my brother found in his bookcase by casualty and gave me (an old one - JAQUE A LA RULETA Y AL BINGO - author Ramonas - Spain) and the author uses an even system for the even chances similar to what Steve Morgan was using : RRBRRBR following this pattern, but the author instead of using only 1 pattern he uses 30 different patterns mixed like this and when he win on one of them he follow with the next pattern.He goes to the casino with a sheet of the 30 patterns and use it for the game.
The author comment that the Roulette makes Sismographic drawings on the Even chances and put 3 or 4 pages of the 256 configuration patterns for the 8 figures. But for the betting he uses only 30 of these.
The author comments that Roulette is a perfect machine, cold and impasible that can show unpredictable outcomes, all is possible with Roulette and he says the only way to fight against it is with Random vs. Random. The machine is always there, but the player can leave the fight when he wants.
SISMOGRAPHIC DRAWINGS
o R
l
o R
\
o B
/
o R
l
o R
l
o R
\
o B
/
o R
The target profit = 50 units.
Also he uses 3 patterns at the same time for the 3 even chances with a control of 3 different bankrolls to play separated but at the same time.
He uses 3 progressions :
1)1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 = 255 units (win 1 unit) - the common one.
2) 1 3 7 ..................... = 504 units (win 4 units each time a win).
3) Another progression more longer with different step but you don´t get a profit on only 1 win, you must go next step on the progression for win.
For example :
A system he called GRAMA 8 continuous :
Is based on 4 patterns at the beginning, but when he gets a win on certain pattern at certain level, for instance 3 spins (it remains the other 5 figures in the pattern, so he adds this 5 figures to the right of the sheet to make a new pattern and continue to play - and adds the rest of figures of others patterns that have win but remain to complete the 8 figures of the pattern that is still not complete and keeps doing so).
So he is playing RANDOM AGAINST RANDOM.
Here is an example :
R R B R R R (add rest of fig. of 2nd. pattern to complete this row)
R B B B R (add rest of figures of 1st. pattern)
B B w R B B
B w R R B R _______
R R B R R
B R B B B (add rest of figures of 2nd. pattern)
R B B R B
B R R B B Row completed
There are 256 combination of patterns of 8 figures. Only 1 pattern can make you to lose, but the Roulette have to found this pattern to win you (the exact opposite pattern you are betting).So you have 255 chances to win against 1 to lose.
And makes the same for the other 2 chances (even/odd and Low/High).
What do you think mates?
Here are some links :
nolinks://nolinks.todocoleccion.net/jaque-ruleta-al-bingo~x3407585
Link to Foros-ruleta (Spanish) where this theme is treated :
nolinks://nolinks.foros-ruleta.com/1-vt8499.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=573ea428efde1cf2bd78a0f85f4f55c7
Cheers,
JLP.-
Well i like the idea of using patterns. But i don't like the progression, Martingale.
There is one effective conclusion in your post regarding a pattern of 6 7 or 8 to repeat it self.
Now if it works it works but it will take a lot of time to triple your bankroll using your method.
I would say this if some one ask me what its about to play the even chances.
Some would say that balance and imbalance don't exist and would not agree regarding my opinions.
Its about balance and imbalance between patterns and about strikes and skips of dispersion and concentration of the distribution of events.
And if you use the LW registry you can get a visual from where to interact and play.
Now this is just for demonstration an example and there is no need to use a aggressive approach for the EC.
2 2 1 BBR LL
1 1 2 RRB LL BBRRRB
2 1 1 RBB BR W
2 2 2 RRR BR LW
2 1 1 BRR RB W
2 2 2 BBB RB W
2 1 1 BRR RB W
1 2 1 RBR BR W
2 2 1 BBR RB LL
2 1 1 BRR RB W
1 2 1 RBR BR W
2 1 1 BRR RB W
2 2 1 BBR RB LL
2 1 2 BRB RB W
1 1 2 RRB BR LL
1 2 2 RBB BR W
1 2 2 RBB BR W
1 1 2 RRB BR LL
2 2 2 BBB RB LW
2 1 2 BRB RB W
2 2 1 BBR RB LL
1 1 2 RRB BR LL BBRRRB Result [ WLWWWWWLLWWWLLWLLWWLLLWWLLLL ]
So here we could decide to just make one bet using a favorable LW pattern like LW or LLW.
Or you could make a similar approach for this using the basic idea regarding patterns and only use FTL and DBL.
Cheers Lucky Strike
JLP i just saying that i think you are on to something if you don´t use Marty...
Cheers Lucky Strike :)
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JLP i just saying that i think you are on to something if you don´t use Marty...
Cheers Lucky Strike :)
Hi mate,
I know martingale is often fatidic mate,it risk too much for only 1 unit.
Only I illustrate the approach of the author.
Yes, we can use the VLS registry LW (to bet after an L or LL for W) to found the convenient and exact point for the betting.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Thank you for sharing the system with us JLP. You are always helpful [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
QuoteThank you for sharing the system with us JLP. You are always helpful [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
Thanks, mate.
JLP.-
Hi All,
Here are the 30 patterns of 8 figures used by the author (in this case I refer to B & R) :
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30
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R B R R B R R B R B B B R R R R R R R B R R R B R B B R R B
B R R B B B B R R B B B B R B B R R R B B R R B B B R R R B
B R B R B B B B B B B R R R B R R R R B B R R B B R B B B R
R R R R R R R R R B R R R R B B R R R B B B B R B R B R R B
R R B R R R R B B B B B R B R B R R B R B B R B R R B R R R
B B B R B B B R R B B B R R R R R B B B R B B B R B R B R R
R B R R R B B R R B B B B B B R R B B B B R B R B R B R R R
B B B B R R R R B B R B B B R R B R B R B R B B R R B R R R
We begin betting with the 1st. pattern, once we get a win on it we trace a line on it and go to the next pattern in the list and so on.
Here I note the possible progressions that the author manage :
1) 1 3 7 15 31 63 127 255 = 502 units
2) 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 = 255 units
3) 1 2 3 5 7 10 14 19 25 32 40 50 62 75 90 110 = 545 units
[highlight]2)SYSTEM FOR DOZEN OR COLUMN[/highlight]
Bet on only 1 dozen or column but choses 2 to follow for 6 and 6 spins :
Example for dozen 1 and 2 :
PATTERN
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
Here it choses dozen 1 & 2, but can be any of them, and also the columns.
Progressions used :
1) 1 2 3 5 8 13 20 31 47 71 107 161 = 469 units
2) 1 1 2 3 4 6 9 14 21 31 47 70 = 209 units
Cheers,
JLP.-
When I look at the results of Lucky Strike's Lw' we could bet after Lw just once for win and than wait for another Lw to bet for one win but with Oscar Grind progression. After win +1 unit until total higher than previous. There will be lot of wins but longer sessions. We can start with higher minimum e.g. $10 or $25 to balance the waiting for next Lw. Lw would be a trigger to bet once on w.
Example:
LLLw nolinkswwLLw wLw Lw wwLLLw wwLw wLw nolinkswLLLw Lw Lw wwLw nolinksL.
$10 $10 $10 $10 $20 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $20 and so on...
W W L W W W W L L W W
+10 +20 +10 +20 +40 +50 +60 +50 +40 +50 +70 total
Hermes
QuoteWhen I look at the results of Lucky Strike's Lw' we could bet after Lw just once for win and than wait for another Lw to bet for one win but with Oscar Grind progression. After win +1 unit until total higher than previous. There will be lot of wins but longer sessions. We can start with higher minimum e.g. $10 or $25 to balance the waiting for next Lw. Lw would be a trigger to bet once on w.
Example:
LLLw nolinkswwLLw wLw Lw wwLLLw wwLw wLw nolinkswLLLw Lw Lw wwLw nolinksL.
$10 $10 $10 $10 $20 $10 $10 $10 $10 $10 $20 and so on...
W W L W W W W L L W W
+10 +20 +10 +20 +40 +50 +60 +50 +40 +50 +70 total
Hermes
Hi Mate,
And the Oscar Grind´s progression is a simple pluscoup, you add +1 unit?
How is it?
Cheers,
JLP.-
It is a pluscop but I don't like the name pluscop, that's the problem.
At win you rise 1 unit and at loss you hold the same until next summer (win). You do the same until your total is more than the previous one, than you go back to minimum bet and take a deep breath.
Hermes [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
QuoteBet on only 1 dozen or column but choses 2 to follow for 6 and 6 spins
Thanks for sharing JLP. I have a question regarding the quote. How do you proceed and play this method i don´t understand it but it sounds interesting. If you have time can you explain it for me step by step. When do i interact and start to play and how would it look like if i lose. I want to run it and see how it works.
Cheers Lucky Strike
[highlight]How does the author define Sismographic drawings[/highlight]
How would you describe it. What is it exactly, the mechanism of sismographic drawings, I find it very interesting.
I cant get any result at wikipedia or the web.
Cheers Lucky Strike
JLP i made a method for marty, it was fun, i run it and it holds up for 3 years of play. Its base upon repeats up to 24 events. It will fail at some point, but you will have a lot of fun before that happens and you wont get ruin. You can take a look at the results here. And if i am allowed to guess you might get the same result using´the sismographic drawings.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1201615179
What do you think about that, i haven't seen anyone else to show a graph above 100 000 events using marty before it fails, have you.
Cheers Lucky Strike
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QuoteBet on only 1 dozen or column but choses 2 to follow for 6 and 6 spins
Thanks for sharing JLP. I have a question regarding the quote. How do you proceed and play this method i don´t understand it but it sounds interesting. If you have time can you explain it for me step by step. When do i interact and start to play and how would it look like if i lose. I want to run it and see how it works.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hello Lucky,
I haven´t tested yet this method.
The author is betting on only 1 dozen for 12 spins but bets 6 spins 1 of the dozens and next 6 spins the other one.
For example :
1
1
1
1
1
1
3
3
3
3
3
3This conforms a pattern to follow similar like the system in R/B.
It can be any of the 3 dozens or column mixed with another pattern.
Look what Carlo comments on this on Rouletteforum.net :
I like the dozen / column pattern but the ECs are OK also. I would secure it even more by charting 24 spins and bet the pattern of the 2 most coming. E.g. in 24 spins came 1 dozen - 10 times, 2 dozen - 6 times, and 3 dozen - 8 times. The pattern will look like this:
1-1-1-1-1-1-3-3-3-3-3-3 or 1-1-3-3-1-1-3-3-1-1-3-3 to ensure that streak of one of those 2 will not screw up the pattern. First, dozen 1 because it is dominant, than dozen 3 because it is second best coming. You will never see in your life the same pattern as the second one I guarantee you. It needs testing but it is promising.
I would use the second progression, it is less painful (209 units).
cps10 would probably test it but he is on holiday from Friday. Who else can test it? I am busy, sorry.
Cheers CarloThis may help.
But the author post another patterns for dozen.Later I will post it.
Here are other patterns by the author for 1 dozen or column bet :
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 3
1 1 3 3
1 3 3 1
2 3 3 1
2 3 3 3
2 3 3 3
2 3 3
2 1
2 1Cheers,
JLP.-
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[highlight]How does the author define Sismographic drawings[/highlight]
How would you describe it. What is it exactly, the mechanism of sismographic drawings, I find it very interesting.
I cant get any result at wikipedia or the web.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi mate,
SISMOGRAPHIC DRAWINGS
o R
l
o R
\
o B
/
o R
l
o R
l
o R
\
o B
/
o R I don´t know exactly how or from where he get the name, but he says and put an example of drawing like this, is it just simple the drawing that the even chances made in the betting : it can be only change or repeat the last chance. In the book he posted 256 like this drawings corresponding to the 256 patterns of 8 figures that the Roulette can configure.
Here I transcribe what the author comment about :
It says that the machine (roulette) makes any kind of drawings.It says that if the numbers in the cilinder would be marked with letters too, in any moment can throw results as names and address of each one of us.
Possible, yes, probable little and the truth is that no player would see this sequences.
The grouping of a determined or undetermined quantity of outcomes configure the sismographic drawings.Next we will see the drawings produce for 8 numbers in a row :NUMBER R/B E/O L/H
4 o o o
\ l l
14 o o o
l l /
32 o o o
/ l l
26 o o o
\ \ \
1 o o o
l l /
19 o o o
l l l
23 o o o
l / \
14 o o oThree drawings have been produced, one for each even chance.All are different between them and we must say that no player would never assist a equal configuration of the 3 drawings at the same time, in the 3 even chances with a unique dimension of 8 or more sequences.Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi All,
Here I post a comment made by Joker on Rouletteforum.net :
========================================
Quoted from joker
Thanks JLP...
hmmmm.. it seems great.. but I am really confused...
so we got 30 patterns with 8 figures...
1-30 patterns.....
so we start betting with first pattern?
no matter what came out before?
i am sorry but can you show me how to bet with this?
thank you
Joker
===========================================
Hello mate,
You remember Steve Morgan´s system for Red/Black he posted time ago in this Forum and on VLS?
He was following the next sequence :
(RB)RRBRRBR
You begin betting on R after (RB) formed and follow the rest of the figures if you lose till you win.
In this system is the same only you don´t follow a unique static pattern like this for the betting.
Instead , as there are 30 patterns the author begins with the first, when he win on that he next uses the 2nd. pattern to follow and so on.
[highlight]The Roulette has to sincronize exactly the opposite figure you are betting at certain moment for you to lose on that 8 spins of the figure pattern.
Is RANDOM VS. RANDOM.[/highlight]
In the other system : GRAMA 8 CONTINUOUS OR CAROUSELL
Is Dinamic, the pattern changes Randomly.
At first the author uses 4 fixed patterns from the list : it can be anyone of the 30 patterns.
For example this 4 patterns :
R B R R
B B R B
R R B R
R B R B
B B R R
R R B R
B R B R
B B R B
R B R R
B B R B
R R B W R
R W B R B
B B W R R
R R B R
B R B R
B B R B
Suppose you win in the first pattern on 4 th spin, on R (W), the rest of the figures of the 1st pattern are : B R B B.
This figures the author uses to put at the right of the sheet to conform new patterns to follow for the betting, each one pattern of 8 figures.
So you have something like this :
R B R R B
B B R B R -----> 4 figures of 1st pattern added
R R B W R B
R W B R B B
B B W R R
R R B R
B R B R
B B R B
On the second pattern we win on 5th spin on B (W), so the rest of the figures of this pattern we use to try to complete the one we add.
You understand?
So it would be :
R B R R B
B B R B R -----> 4 figures of 1st pattern added
R R B W R B
R W B R B B _____
B B W R R R
R R B R R ------> figures of 2nd. pattern added
B R B R B _____
B B R B R ------- > figure of 3rd pattern added
And so on.
Hope this clears,
JLP.-
QuoteJLP i made a method for marty, it was fun, i run it and it holds up for 3 years of play. Its base upon repeats up to 24 events. It will fail at some point, but you will have a lot of fun before that happens and you wont get ruin. You can take a look at the results here. And if i am allowed to guess you might get the same result using´the sismographic drawings.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1201615179
What do you think about that, i haven't seen anyone else to show a graph above 100 000 events using marty before it fails, have you.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi mate,
Smart approach this one. Good work.
It holds up for a long time before fail.
You follow the 3 pairs of figures to not repeat for 12 spins as I understand it .
How is the progression used - simple Martingale?
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi All,
The examples and exposition have been made with only 1 even chance (R/B), but is obvious that can be used the 2 or 3 even chances,although the practice in the execution is necessary.
It can be executed all Grama 8 continuous necessary to get to the units profit target.
To prepare the programation we need a bloc of cuadriculated paper.
Here is an example of program with the 3 even chances
PROGRAM GRAMA 8 CAROUSELL
=====================================
B R R B
B R R R
B B R R
B B R R
B B B R
R B B R
R B B B
R R B B
------------------------------------------------------------------
O E O O
O E O O
O E E O
O E E O
O O E O
O O E O
E O E E
E O E E
-----------------------------------------------------------------
H L H L
H L H L
H L H L
H L H L
L H L H
L H L H
L H L H
L H L H
----------------------------------------------------------------
Note:
The programmed example shows a beginning with 4 drawings.
Is obvious that the Carrousell can also begin with less or more drawings.
ESTIMATIVE CLASIFICATION :
GRAMA 8 CAROUSELL W/PROGRESSION = 10 POINTS
For each one of the programs we give a puntuation in concept of estimative clasification of reliability.
This table of clasification goes from number 1 to 10, where we indicate :
-From 1 to 5 = favourable to the bank or casino.
- 6 is neutral.
- 7 to 10 = favourable to the player.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Thanks JLP i am on fire [smiley=thumbsup.gif] keep it up. This gives me a lot of inspiration and ideas that i want to explore.
Can i get a english version of this book? :o
Cheers Lucky Strike
Is that similar to a template system
JLP can you copy and post this strategy on to this forum. Q A Red Black.- i find it at the old forum.
nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=40
This Steve Morgan don´t seems to be around anymore. I can do it but i thought i ask you first.
Its put inspiration into action and ho knows some one may combine this ideas to something wonderful.
Thanks Lucky Strike
QuoteThanks JLP i am on fire [smiley=thumbsup.gif] keep it up. This gives me a lot of inspiration and ideas that i want to explore.
Can i get a english version of this book? :o
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi Lucky,
Sorry, the book is in paper and an old one (1982) from Editorial Bruguera - Spain.
I think is in Spanish only, no translations to English.
The book has been posted in 4 or 5 archives (in compressed format) for the users to download on Foros-ruleta.com but the link in this Forum never is accesible.
Maybe if someone of the Spanish Forum is here and have downloaded it in the past can upload it to a host service for future download.
¿Who has it ? ¿Victor? ¿Edgardo? ¿Ricardo?
Cheers,
JLP.-
QuoteJLP can you copy and post this strategy on to this forum. Q A Red Black.- i find it at the old forum.
nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=40
This Steve Morgan don´t seems to be around anymore. I can do it but i thought i ask you first.
Its put inspiration into action and ho knows some one may combine this ideas to something wonderful.
Thanks Lucky Strike
Hi mate,
For what?
That Forum is dead. Noone goes there anymore I think.
Steve Morgan is here. Is Steve on this Forum.Have posted recently.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Okey JLP if you say so... i just read about hes system and thought he or some one can post it here. Because i cant find it here and i think we should boast this section with strategies.
Cheers LS
Quote
Okey JLP if you say so... i just read about hes system and thought he or some one can post it here. Because i cant find it here and i think we should boast this section with strategies.
Cheers LS
Hi mate,
If you want you can post this info on this Forum too.
Or maybe send a PM to Steve himself.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi All,
This is the original post By Steve on old VLS Forum about R/B system :
nolinks://vlsroulette.6.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=28
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote¿Who has it ? ¿Victor? ¿Edgardo? ¿Ricardo?
What is the name of the file?
Can you please post one of those links? Maybe I can see the name of the file and do a search.
Maybe I have it!
Regards,
Victor
QuoteQuote¿Who has it ? ¿Victor? ¿Edgardo? ¿Ricardo?
What is the name of the file?
Can you please post one of those links? Maybe I can see the name of the file and do a search.
Maybe I have it!
Regards,
Victor
Hi Victor,
Here is the link for download the ebook in sections posted by Cristian Policher on Foros-ruleta.com but the link is dead. It says file not found (sendmefile host service)
Don´t works.
nolinks://nolinks.foros-ruleta.com/libro-jaque-a-la-ruleta-y-el-bingo-disponible-vt2724.html
But user Ricardo have them :
Publicado: Jue Sep 15, 2005 6:17 am Asunto:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Si el Administrador del foro no lo tiene, se lo puedo pasar.
Solo necesito que me diga la forma de hacerlo.
Ricardo =============================
Cheers,
JLP.-
JLP i am going to start to test the guide lines for dozen and column bets.
QuoteThe author is betting on only 1 dozen for 12 spins but bets 6 spins 1 of the dozens and next 6 spins the other one.
I think i understand this here is the line.
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
Questions:
1) When do i start to play, should i wait for dozen one to hit once, then start to play dozen 1 for 6 times and after that dozen 2 for 6 times.
2) When i win do i start over and use the same formula again or can i wait for dozen 3 to hit and play dozen 3 for 6 times and dozen 2 for 6 times.
I am going to use this progression and there is 2 way to make one it can be aggressive or humble, I would prefer the last one making a profit for the first 6 steps and after that it would be based upon recovery.
1: 1 +2
2: 1 +1
3: 1 0
4: 2 +1
5: 3 +1
6: 4 0
7: 6 0
8: 8 -2
9: 12 -2
10: 17 -4
11: 25 -5
12: 35 -10
JLP i rephrase i say what is the entering point to begin the play 6 and 6 times and what happens after a win, do you wait for a new entering point.
Cheers Lucky Strike
QuoteJLP i am going to start to test the guide lines for dozen and column bets.
QuoteThe author is betting on only 1 dozen for 12 spins but bets 6 spins 1 of the dozens and next 6 spins the other one.
I think i understand this here is the line.
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
Questions:
1) When do i start to play, should i wait for dozen one to hit once, then start to play dozen 1 for 6 times and after that dozen 2 for 6 times.
Yes, we play 1 dozen for 6 spins and the another one for another 6 spins.
I see it in the way what Carlo says, see the 2 dozens that are trending the most in for example 0 to 20 spins and try to follow the 2 ones. But this can be control as the betting is going, tracking always the outcomes and changing the sector dozen accordingly.
2) When i win do i start over and use the same formula again or can i wait for dozen 3 to hit and play dozen 3 for 6 times and dozen 2 for 6 times.
Yes, when we win we start all over again.We are always tracking and change the dozens accordingly.
I am going to use this progression and there is 2 way to make one it can be aggressive or humble, I would prefer the last one making a profit for the first 6 steps and after that it would be based upon recovery.
1: 1 +2
2: 1 +1
3: 1 0
4: 2 +1
5: 3 +1
6: 4 0
7: 6 0
8: 8 -2
9: 12 -2
10: 17 -4
11: 25 -5
12: 35 -10 ------> But here in this 5 last spins you are in MINUS with the progression?????
JLP i rephrase i say what is the entering point to begin the play 6 and 6 times and what happens after a win, do you wait for a new entering point.
Cheers Lucky Strike
I have done a test at Fonbet (Russian site - RNG software).
Will post the result.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi All,
Here is a test of the Dozen system (playing only 1 Dozen) at FONBET.
INITIAL BANKROLL = 5000
PROGRESSION USED = 1 1 2 3 4 6 9 14 21 31 47 70 = 209 UNITS
TABLE LIMIT = 1-500
EUROPEAN ROULETTE TABLE
Nº SPUN DOZEN BANKROLL
31 3
25 3
25 3
23 2
27 3
29 3
27 3
15 2
7 1
17 2
4 1 ------> TRACKING
3 1
12 1
11 1
12 1
2 1
34 3
25 3
7 1 5000
So from this we play Dozen 1 and dozen 3 (6 + 6 spins)
5000
14 2
0 0
14 2
5 1 5002 After a win start again
7 1 5004
15 2
30 3
18 2
22 2
5 1 5005
13 2
29 3
19 2
5 1 5007
5 1 5009
21 2
31 3
12 1 5011
19 2
6 1 5012
26 3
20 2
0 0
10 1 5014
28 3
22 2
12 1 5016
23 2
1 1 5017
31 3
22 2
22 2
2 1 5019
12 1 5021
5 1 5023
3 1 5025
4 1 5027
36 3
17 2
6 1 5029
8 1 5031
4 1 5033
29 3
28 3
25 3
5 1 5035
4 1 5037
33 3
33 3
0 0
30 3
7 1 5038
29 3
5 1 5039
36 3
31 3
29 3
3 1 5041
20 2
11 1 5042
5 1 5044
28 3
0 0
32 3
17 2
6 1 5045
18 2
1 1 5046
13 2
29 3
10 1 5048
7 1 5050
23 2
13 2
26 3
36 3
14 2
25 3
33 3 5051 -----> Here we are on 7th spin (play dozen 3)
RESUME OF SESSION :
-TOTAL SPINS = 98
-79 SPINS PLAYED
-FINAL BANKROLL = 5051
-PROFIT = 51 UNITS.
ESTRUCTURE OF DOZENS :
D1 = 32
D2 = 25
D3 = 37
ZERO = 4
At Fonbet the ball goes frequently from dozen 1 to dozen 3, stay less on dozen 2.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote
1: 1 +2
2: 1 +1
3: 1 0
4: 2 +1
5: 3 +1
6: 4 0
7: 6 0
8: 8 -2
9: 12 -2
10: 17 -4
11: 25 -5
12: 35 -10 ------> But here in this 5 last spins you are in MINUS with the progression?????
JLP i have run millions of tests and i have great knowledge regarding how the distribution of events behave. That's why i can say that there is no need to win at every step using a progression.
Why risk 209 units to win 51 when you can risk 115 and win 30.
14 2 1
0 0 1
14 2 1
5 1 1 -1
7 1 1 +1
15 2 1
30 3 1
18 2 1
22 2 2
5 1 3 +2
13 2 1
29 3 1
19 2 1
5 1 2 +3
5 1 1 +5
21 2 1
31 3 1
12 1 1 +5
19 2 1
6 1 1 +6
26 3 1
20 2 1
0 0 1
10 1 1 +5
28 3 1
22 2 1
12 1 1 +5
23 2 1
1 1 1 +6
31 3 1
22 2 1
22 2 1
2 1 2 +7
12 1 1 +9
5 1 1 +11
3 1 1 +13
4 1 1 +15
36 3 1
17 2 1
6 1 1 +15
8 1 1 +17
4 1 1 +19
29 3 1
28 3 1
25 3 1
5 1 2 +20
4 1 1 +22
33 3 1
33 3 1
0 0 1
30 3 1
7 1 2 +22
29 3 1
5 1 1 +23
36 3 1
31 3 1
29 3 1
3 1 2 +24
20 2 1
11 1 1 +25
5 1 1 +27
28 3 1
0 0 1
32 3 1
17 2 1
6 1 2 +27
18 2 1
1 1 1 +28
13 2 1
29 3 1
10 1 1 +28
7 1 1 +30
23 2 1
13 2 1
26 3 1
36 3 2
14 2 3
25 3 4
33 3 6 +30
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi mate,
[size=18]Why risk 209 units to win 51 when you can risk 115 and win 30.[/size]
I totally agree.
But how you play it?
I know you use the example test, but how is going when you are from 6 to 12 spins in minus?
Thanks,mate
JLP.-
Hi and thanks for keeping this topic alive.
Well i think i did it the same way you did it.
I play dozen 1 for 6 times and if it lose i switch to dozen 3 and play for 6 times. If i got an zero i just repeat my previous bet and continue to play using the progression. I assume that this was what you did but you used another progression.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi, lucky strike,
which progression did you use??
best regards
kawa4711
Hi...
1: 1 +2
2: 1 +1
3: 1 0
4: 2 +1
5: 3 +1
6: 4 0
7: 6 0
8: 8 -2
9: 12 -2
10: 17 -4
11: 25 -5
12: 35 -10
Cheers LS
Hi JLP i wanted to see how it would perform if we play random against random.
If i had dozen 1 i play it for 6 times, if it lose and i have dozen 3 i play it for 6 times, if it lose and i have dozen 1 i play it for 6 times, if it lose and i have dozen 2 i play it for 6 times.
Risk 115 units Profit 115 units. Cheers Lucky Strike
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JLP we can play dozen and column at the same time and have a win target of 10. The issue here is to study the sismograhpic drawings and get a entering point that works.
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JLP we can play dozen and column at the same time and have a win target of 10. The issue here is to study the sismograhpic drawings and get a entering point that works.
Hi mate,
Good for the previous testing - you test it with your progression I suppose?
Playing 1 dozen and 1 Column at the same time how would it be?
Using 2 different patterns for each one (as with the example of only 1 dozen bet) and 2 different bankrolls?
Is a little bit more complicated to control - No???
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi All,
Will try to put some order in the exposition and illustration of the different systems the author refers in the book.
We have seen the following at the moment:
[size=12]a) System for R/B (using 30 different patterns of 8 figures).
b) System GRAMA 8 CAROUSELL or CONTINUOUS (using 8 figures) : for only 1 chance or 3 chances at the same time.
c) System for only 1 Dozen or Column.[/size]
JLP.-
Hi All,
Next we will see another one : GRAMA 8 ( of 8 FIGURES) WITH 10 PATTERNS and using 3 even chances at the same time.
================================================
The author states :
The oportunism and time of dedication have a fundamental importance for the good end of our purposes.
In this way understanding it and acepted this possible convenience of reducing the dedicated time, we next go to learn how we can get it.
With the same capital we have the possibility of dedicate our programations to 2 or 3 even chances, this determination is up to each Systemist, although the author recommends use more than 1 even chance to the object of reducing the time require to get the specific target (profit).
For to get the 50 units target (this is what the author manage for win target), if we use the 3 even chances the numbers of game play would be 17.
Each game play would profit 3 units.
And we must prepare a maximum of 10 drawings or patterns for each even chance.
We begin the betting with 1 unit on Black, Odd and High and we continue the betting as we stated in the other systems refered before with the same progressions used except the 3rd. one declare unuseful here for this system because of its complexity.
[size=18]SYSTEM GRAMA 8 (8 FIGURES - 10 PATTERNS) FOR 3 EVEN CHANCES[/size]
B R B B B R R R B B
R B B R R R R R B R
R B R B B R R B B R
B B B B B R B B B R
B B R B B R R R R B
R R R B B R R R B B
B R B B R R R R B R
R R R B R R B R R B
-------------------------------------
O O O E E E E O O E
O O O O E O O E O O
O O E E E O E O O O
O E E E E O O O E E
O O O E O E O E E E
O O O E E E E E O O
O O O O O O E E E O
O E O O O E E E E E
-------------------------------------
H L H H H L L L L L
L H H L H L L L L L
L H L H H L L H H L
H H H H H L H H H L
H H L H L L L L L L
L L L H H L L L L L
H L H H L L L L L L
L L L L H H H L L H
-------------------------------------
ESTIMATIVE CLASIFICATION :
PROGRAM GRAMA 8 (8 FIGURES - 10 PATTERNS) W/PROGRESSION = 10 POINTS
==================================
JLP.-
Hi,
SYSTEM TESTING OF EVEN CHANCES 30 DIFFERENT PATTERNS ON EVEN – ODD.
SYSTEM TESTING ON 1 DOZEN ON 1 PATTERN OF 12 FIGURES
Here is the word sheet :
nolinks://momupload.com/files/92224/vittoriosa1.1.doc.html
NOTES :
E – EVEN
O – ODD
I.BANK = INITIAL BANKROLL
F.BANK= FINAL BANKROLL
LIVE REAL SPINS FROM CASINO VITTORIOSA.
WHEN WE WIN ON EACH PATTERN WE MOVE TO BET WITH THE NEXT PATTERN IN THE LIST.
AT COMPLETION OF THE 30 PATTERNS (1st. CYCLE) WE BEGIN AGAIN FROM PATTERN No.1.
PROGRESSION TYPE = SIMPLE MARTINGALE
1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 = 255 UNITS
BANKROLL = 255x2= 510 UNITS FOR BACKUP PURPOSES
FIRST UNIT BET= 1
TOTAL SPINS IN THIS SET = 328 SPINS
TEST FROM SPIN 436 AT 213 = 223 SPINS
COMPLETED 3.5 CYCLES
1ST. CYCLE = 1 INSTANCE GET TO 6TH LEVEL PROGRESSION
2ND. CYCLE = 2 INSTANCES GET TO 8TH LEVEL PROGRESSION (VERY DANGEROUS).
3RD. CYCLE = 1 INSTANCE GET 8TH LEVEL PROGRESSION WORST (ZERO).
IT WOULD HAVE FAILED IF ZERO IS NOT COVERED ON 8TH LEVEL PROG. (INSURANCE).
THE AUTHOR RECOMMENDS TO PUT 4 CHIPS ON 7TH LEVEL PROG. ON ZERO AND 8 CHIPS ON 8TH LEVEL PROG. ON ZERO.
ALSO THE AUTHOR RECOMMENDS TO USE THE SYSTEM TO REACH ONLY 35% PROFIT OF BASE BANKROLL (255 UNITS).THAT IS 90 UNITS AND STOP.
PROFIT= 630 - 510 = 120 UNITS
DOZEN SYSTEM TEST :
PATTERN D1 D1 D1 D1 D1 D1 D3 D3 D3 D3 D3 D3
PROGRESSION :
1 1 2 3 4 6 9 14 21 31 47 70 = 209 UNITS
TEST FROM SPIN 541 AT 437 = 104 SPINS
PROFIT = 691 – 632 =59 UNITS
This single dozen test perform well.
Any idea or comment is welcome.
Cheers,
JLP.-
HI JLP nice work and thanks for sharing.
I download your file and read it.
You have to admit that is was a close one.
I could see that the 7 step hit.
Cheers LS
QuoteHI JLP nice work and thanks for sharing.
I download your file and read it.
You have to admit that is was a close one.
I could see that the 7 step hit.
Cheers LS
Hi mate,
Yes in 2 or 3 instances got easily to the 7th and 8th level progression (very dangerous).
I was thinking to put 2 step more levels but that requires more bankroll and so add 2 more figures to the 8 base ones ------> 10 figures.
I plan to make more tests on it with live spins from Casino Vittoriosa and post the result.
This would give us a better idea of this system and also the single dozen system.
Another idea to test is the 8 Grama continuous.
The author states to play only to reach the 35% initial bankroll or less than it and quit for the day, so the exposure to this 7th or 8th levels are minimazed, but who knows when it will come ......
We will see.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi,
Here is another test of the 30 patterns for even chances (tested on even/odd), but have made some changes from the last test.
[size=20]CHANGES[/size]
ADD 3 MORE FIGURES = 8+3 = 11 FIGURES
IF WE REACH AT THE END OF THE 8 FIGURES WE ADD THE 3 FIGURES FROM THE BEGINNING OF IT IN THE SAME PATTERN WE HAVE NOT CLOSED YET.
[size=20]THE PROGRESSION IS NOW FIBONACCI :
1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 = 232 UNITS [/size]
WHEN WE LOSE WE MOVE UP TO THE NEXT STEP, WHEN WE WIN WE STAY ON THAT LEVEL OR GO BACK 1 UNIT OR RESET TO THE BEGINNING ACCORDING IF WE ARE +1 UNIT IN RELATION TO THE PROFIT OF THE LAST PATTERN WE HAVE CLOSED.
BANKROLL = 232 X 4 = 464
1 CYCLE OF 30 PATTERNS CLOSED.
SPINS TESTED : FROM SPIN 496 TO SPIN 213 = 283 SPINS
PROFIT= 536 – 464 = 72 UNITS
72 U / 283 SPINS = 0.25 UNIT/SPIN
From this test is a slow system but very secure to make profit (like the amps), it has many ups, downs, evens but the bankroll is not exposed much as the bets are not raised enormously like in the previous test using simple martingale.
Here is the test file :
nolinks://momupload.com/files/92546/vittoriosa2.2.doc.html
Cheers,
JLP.-
Good job JLP
JD
JLP when you play for real - have you use any of this?
I think it is little scary and i think if we are going to use a Marty we should at least have some fun for 500.000 trails.
This is a suggestion. You know i have won 500.000 trails using a predefined method.
Now i was thinking if we can make an "hybrid" of my and your method and make a test for the long run.
Just to see if we can pass 500.000 using a Marty.
Yes or No :)
Cheers LS
QuoteJLP when you play for real - have you use any of this?
I think it is little scary and i think if we are going to use a Marty we should at least have some fun for 500.000 trails.
This is a suggestion. You know i have won 500.000 trails using a predefined method.
Now i was thinking if we can make an "hybrid" of my and your method and make a test for the long run.
Just to see if we can pass 500.000 using a Marty.
Yes or No :)
Cheers LS
Hi mate,
Not on a constant or consistent basis and not for so many spins, mixed with other systems.
For this I was testing with other types of progressions like in the last one with Fibonacci.
You see in the prior test almost failed with the Martingale.
Which is the hybrid system you invented mate - can you explain it?
Cheers,
JLP.-
QuoteWhich is the hybrid system you invented mate - can you explain it?
JLP it was a suggestion.
I can improve your basics if you let me.
The first thing i want you to do is to think a little different regarding the permanence.
If you try to write down the first red you see and then the next two outcomes that follows, you would get this result.
Lets take a look at a random walk.
BBBRBRBBBB
If you take the first red here and write it down you have:
R
Now you write down the two outcomes that follow red like this:
RBR
Now we have done what i told you that we was going to do.
Now lets take a look at this and continue with this simple rule about how to gathering the permanence.
BBBRBRBBBBRRBBBRBRBBRRRRBBRBB
As you can see we get this patterns and everyone begins with a red outcome and the two that follows.
RBR RRB RBR RRR RBB RBB
This is the cycle for all the possibilities.
RRR
RRB
RBR
RBB
This is the foundation the basics.
Now we are going to make some combination regarding this patterns that are base upon series of 3.
Now we are going to make this patterns become 9 like this RRRRRBRBR or RBRRBBRRB.
I will do that later ok, for now i just want to tell you the basics. Lets continue.
The second rule now is that every time we have a red we will play only for two decisions like this.
RBB then we play RR
RBR then we play RB
RRR then we play BB
RRB then we play BR
Now think.
Here we go if we have a 12 step progression and patterns of 9 then you add the things i told you, we will playing against this
RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR
This is what we would bet against patterns of 27.
Pattern - RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR LW
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RRR W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB
RBB
RBB
RBB
RBR
RRR
RRR
RRR
RBR
RRR
LW Registry - LWWLLWWWWW
Here it is if we list all the patterns of 9 and play them regarding your method it would become random against random.
We can try this if you want and try to overcome 500.000 trails. Here is a chart from an old method :)
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Cheers Lucky Strike
Well we can make it extreme and use a 14 step Marty a like and play against 30 that would be a lot of fun :)
Here is a short test and as you can see there would not be any need to make a progression that win at every step becuse they will shop and generat profits for the long run 8-)
LW Registry
LWWLLWWWWWLLLWWLLWLWLLLWWLLWLWWLLWWWLWWLLWWWWLWLWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLWWWLWWLWLWWLLWWWLLWWWWLLLWWLLLLWWW
Random aginst Random
RBB RR 050101 T1
RBR RB
RRR BB Play aginst RBBRBRRRR - RBBRBRRRR - RBBRBRRRR using RR RB BB RR RB BB
RBR LW
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR Play aginst RRRRBRRRB - RRRRBRRRB - RRRRBRRRB using BB RB BR BB RB BR
RBR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB Play aginst RBBRBRRBR - RBBRBRRBR - RBBRBRRBR using RR RB RB RR RB RB
RBB LL
RRR W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB LL
RBR LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRR LL
RBB W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RBB LW
RBR RB
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB LL
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB LW
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR 050102 T1
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RRR LL
RRR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBB W
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RBB RR
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB LL
RBB W
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBB W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR RB
RRB LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRB LW
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR BR
RBB LW
RBR RB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBB RR ---
RRB RR 050103 T1
RRB W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB LL
RBB LL
RRR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBR W
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB LW
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR
RRR LW
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RRB W
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRR LW
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBB W
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR LW
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR LW
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRR W
RBB RR
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR 050104 T1
RBB W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR BB
RRB W
RBR RB
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBR LL
RRR W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RRR W
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR W
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBB W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR LL
RBR LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB W
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBB LL
RRB LL
RRB W
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBB W
RRR
RBR
Cheers LS and [smiley=newyear/new_year_lib6_text.gif] LOL ;D
Lucky Strike hit them again and again[smiley=lolk.gif]
Cheers
That was funny, i wonder how far it would go :-/ ?
400 000
500 000
600 000
700 000
800 000
900 000
Cheers Lucky Strike ::)
QuoteQuoteWhich is the hybrid system you invented mate - can you explain it?
JLP it was a suggestion.
I can improve your basics if you let me.
Of course mate.
For this we are here in Forum, to share experiences and different approaches.
The first thing i want you to do is to think a little different regarding the permanence.
If you try to write down the first red you see and then the next two outcomes that follows, you would get this result.
Lets take a look at a random walk.
BBBRBRBBBB
If you take the first red here and write it down you have:
R
Now you write down the two outcomes that follow red like this:
RBR
Now we have done what i told you that we was going to do.
Now lets take a look at this and continue with this simple rule about how to gathering the permanence.
BBBRBRBBBBRRBBBRBRBBRRRRBBRBB
As you can see we get this patterns and everyone begins with a red outcome and the two that follows.
RBR RRB RBR RRR RBB RBB
This is the cycle for all the possibilities.
RRR
RRB
RBR
RBB
This is the foundation the basics.
Now we are going to make some combination regarding this patterns that are base upon series of 3.
Now we are going to make this patterns become 9 like this RRRRRBRBR or RBRRBBRRB.
I will do that later ok, for now i just want to tell you the basics. Lets continue.
The second rule now is that every time we have a red we will play only for two decisions like this.
RBB then we play RR
RBR then we play RB
RRR then we play BB
RRB then we play BR
Now think.
Here we go if we have a 12 step progression and patterns of 9 then you add the things i told you, we will playing against this
RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR
This is what we would bet against patterns of 27.
Pattern - RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR RRR RRB RBR
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR LW ------> You are betting here RB???? Is correct???
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBR W -----> Here play RB -----> win on R??? Right?
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RRR W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB
RBB
RBB
RBB
RBR
RRR
RRR
RRR
RBR
RRR
LW Registry - LWWLLWWWWW
Here it is if we list all the patterns of 9 and play them regarding your method it would become random against random.
We can try this if you want and try to overcome 500.000 trails. Here is a chart from an old method :)
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Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi mate,
If I understand the method correct you wait for 3 sets of trios (in virtual mode) prior to betting after another trio formed (total 4 sets of trios = 12 spins) and playing for 2 spins according to this table :
RBB then we play RR
RBR then we play RB
RRR then we play BB
RRB then we play BR That is correct??
Very smart approach mate, but would not be too many spins to wait for make a bet each time I wonder???
How many spins you have to play per session to win a reasonable target???
Cheers,
JLP.-
Lucky,
I thought you only used flat bets I would love to use this system but I dont know where to start maybe you can help me.
The red black is easy and fast you dont have to put out 22 chips lol.
Stuart
I did some trials on baccarat and used template and the delambert progression found it hard to lose
Quote
I did some trials on baccarat and used template and the delambert progression found it hard to lose
Natural 9 as i sad :
400 000
500 000
600 000
700 000
800 000
900 000 spins
The secret is this:
You can run RX and try to get a pattern match for 9 series of 3 like this
RRR RRR RRR RRR RRR RRR RRR RRR RRR
LOL :)
Now if we got RRR RRR RRR as an bet selection we would play BB every time after one red appers.
Or
If we got RRB RBB RBR as an bet selection we would play BR RR RB and if we lose we play again BR RR RB.
As you can see at my post above we also make it random so we don´t play aginst the same sequenze all the time.
LOL :)
Just want to say you can play this method for years not days.LOL :)
Cheers LS
JLP, Natural9, bikemotorman, any questions?
Cheers LS
I have loads of questions but I am confused, I just dont get it when do you start betting, do you bet on red black.
I am sorry I just dont get it I guess thats why I turn to Fibonacci when I lose.
I am willing to learn, if you guys a willing to teach, I think a lot of people come and look at this forum and are a bit taken
aback by some of this stuff.
I was so horrible at math in school it was a joke lol.
Stuart ;D
bikemotorman i am also an math phobic :)
Now i assume you understood how to get the permanence.
It looks like this
RBB
RBR
RBB
RRB
RBB
RRR
RBR
Now when you have 3 series of 3 you just write down the opp color next to you bet selection.
I repeat that is 3 series of 3 that is 9 outcomes.
Here i show you how to write down the opp next to your bet selection.
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBB RR
Now you have to play RR next time red appears.
If you get RBB then you lose your two bets.
Then you have to play RB then if you get RBR you will lose. Then you bet RR and if you get RBB you will lose.
Now what happened. Well all the 3 series of 3 did repeat them self in the exact same order like this.
RBB
RBR
RBB
RBB
RBR
RBB
That is 18 outcomes now we will continue and we will use the same RR RB RR because that is exactly what we want to prevent to happen that this 3 series of 3 repeat at the exact same order. If we lose then you have.
RBB
RBR
RBB
RBB
RBR
RBB
RBB
RBR
RBB
That's 27 outcomes. This would be all the bets.
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBB RR
I hope this helps.
Now lets say this is your bet selection
RBB
RBR
RBB
Then after that you just wait for the first red to appear and bet twice RR then you wait for the next red to appear and bet RB and after that you just wait for the next red to appear and bet RR.
You do that for 6 times in the same order to prevent it to repeat and alternate in the exact order as you bet selection.
So if you have...
RRR
RBR
RRB
Then you would bet BB RB BR in that order every time red appers if the first 3 attempt lose you just repeat them and as you can see itch time you bet you bet twice.
I hope this helps... if read the post above again you will understand it.
Cheers LS
Pssst when you find a total loss let me know ;D
Hi Lucky,
I still have no clue at all what you are getting at Lucky, maybe you can explain further, so you are to wait nine spins to see the pattern, do you bet on black or red at what chip amount, is this for the single zero wheel or the double zero wheel.
I am sorry to be a moron but I have no clue at all maybe you can explain like I am a ten year old.
That might work sorry to be bother.
Stuart Brandt
Maybe Natural 9 or JLP can explain it for you i don´t know how to make it more clear than my post above.
Cheers LS
@JLP
Colega, disculpe que lo moleste, pero podría hacerme el favor de explicarme brevemente como es el sistema de chances simples.
Desde ya muy agradecido.
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
Quote@JLP
Colega, disculpe que lo moleste, pero podría hacerme el favor de explicarme brevemente como es el sistema de chances simples.
Desde ya muy agradecido.
Un saludo cordial, Edgardo.
Hola Edgardo,
Bueno en este post hay varios sistemas posteados para las chances simples.
En esencia uno de ellos en el que he hecho algunos testeos, mira las páginas anteriores donde puse dos links distintos para bajar el testeo (uno testeado con Martingala y el otro con la serie de Fibonacci como progresión - ambos son hojas de archivo word testeado con bolas en vivo del casino vittoriosa). Incluso en esas mismas hojas está la explicación.
En esencia lo que hacemos es jugar o seguir 30 patrones distintos de 8 figuras de rojo/negro , par/impar o alto/bajo de acuerdo a elección.
[highlight]
Por ej. un patrón es RRBRRRBB.[/highlight]
Estos 30 patrones están posteados en la 1er. hoja de este post.
Cuando se gana en un patrón se tacha y se continúa con el siguiente hasta completar los 30 patrones distintos. Luego se empieza de nuevo.
Hay variantes de esto usando 8 y 10 patrones solamente y tambén usando las 3 chances simples al mismo tiempo con sus propios patrones y caja separados.
Otro sistema parecido es el de Steve Morgan que juega así:
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Espera que se forme por ej. (RB) ----> y apuesta en RRBRBB con progresión Martingala.[/highlight]
Por último Lucky Strike considera el uso de 3 figuras :
Veo en la permanencia la formación de 3 figuras distintas empezando siempre con rojo.
[highlight]
RBR --- apuesto RB
RBB --- apuesto RR
RRB --- apuesto BR[/highlight]
Entonces cada vez que aparece un rojo apuesto por RB.
Si pierdo con estos 2 espero que se forme otro rojo y apuesto la 2a.: RR de acuerdo a la progresión donde quedé antes.
Si pierdo de nuevo (ya van 4 niveles de la progresión) espero la formación de otro rojo y apuesto la última opción : BR siguiendo la progresión.
Y eso es todo.
Espero haber sido de ayuda, pero mejor lee todas las páginas anteriores EHHHH!!
Saludos maestro, :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ;D ;D ;D
JLP.-
I don't speak Spanish, I am sorry.
Maybe English please.
Stuart
QuoteI don't speak Spanish, I am sorry.
Maybe English please.
Stuart
Here is the translation to English :
Hello Edgardo, Good in this post there are several systems posteados for chances simple. In essence one of them in whom I have made some testeos, it watches the previous pages where I put two links different to lower the testeo (the one testeado with Martingala and other with the series of Fibonacci as progression - both are leaves of Word file testeado with live balls of the vittoriosa casino). In those same leaves it is even the explanation. In essence which we do is to play or to follow 30 patterns different from 8 figures of rojo/negro, to par/impar or alto/bajo according to election. By ej. a pattern is RRBRRRBB. These 30 patterns are posteados in 1er. leaf of this post. When one gains in a pattern erases itself and he is continued with the following one until completing the 30 different patterns. Soon one begins again. There are variants of this using 8 and 10 simple the 3 patterns only and tambén using chances at the same time with his own separated patterns and box. Another similar system is the one of Steve Morgan that plays thus: It hopes that one forms by ej. (RB) and it bets in RRBRBB with Martingala progression. Finally Lucky Strike considers the use of 3 figures: I see in the permanence the formation of 3 different figures always beginning with red. RBR --- good looking RB RBB --- good looking RR RRB --- good looking BR Then whenever he appears red a good looking one by RB. If I lose with these 2 I hope that à. forms other red and good looking: RR according to the progression where I was before. If I lose again (already 4 levels of the progression go) I wait for the red and good looking formation of the other last option: BR following the progression. And that is everything. I hope to have been of aid, but better Lee all previous pages EHHHH! Greetings masterful, JLP. -
JLP, you are a big, I congratulate him for his hard work. ;)
A consultation system "Lucky Strike" is the one that does not fall in more than 400000 spins.
Thank you very much.
A cordial greeting, Edgardo.
With the Template method you can look at the board and if say red is ahead but certain amount play red template if black play black
I also had a switching trigger if like black was ahead 10-4 and then you had 4 reds in a row i would switch to red template or if playing baccarat switch back and forth from banker to player depending on the trend
Regards Natural9
@bikemotorman :-?
Here i will make one more explanation regarding my hybrid of JLPs original post.
The first great thing is that we are using a bet selection of 9 events and we prevent this 9 events to become 27 events
The second great thing is that we only have to make 12 bets to prevent 27 events to occur at the exact predefined order as our 9 events.
The third great thing is that we are not playing the same static pattern, we always go along with and change the bet selection of 9 so the selection becomes random against random.
Now lets take a look at how its is done.
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
RBR
RRB
RBR
Now we have our bet selection of 9 events and can see what the opposite colours after itch red will be.
RB
BR
RB
This we will use in the exact order after every time a red outcome appears so now we will continue with the permanence.
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
R Here we have our bet selection now we will play 12 attempts after red
B
B
B
R Now we will play RB
B
R We lose two attempts.
B
B
R Now we will play BR
R
B We lose two attempts.
B
B
B
R Now we will play RB
B
R We lose two attempts.
Now we have lost 6 bets so know we continue from the beginning and use the same and they are as i mention above.
RB
BR
RB
So lets continue with the permanence.
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
R Here we have our bet selection now we will play 12 attempts after red
B
B
B
R Now we will play RB
B
R We lose two attempts.
B
B
R Now we will play BR
R
B We lose two attempts.
B
B
B
R Now we will play RB
B
R We lose two attempts.
B
B
B
B
R Now we will play RB
R We win now you back track to get selection of 9 events and start to play again8-)
Now do you get the picture, here we go...
RBB RR 050101 T1
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR LW
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RRR W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRR W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB LL
RBR LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRR LL
RBB W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RBB LW
RBR RB
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB LL
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB LW
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR 050102 T1
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RRR LL
RRR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBB W
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB W
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRB BR
RRR W
RBB RR
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB LL
RBB W
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBB W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR RB
RRB LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRB BR
RRB LW
RBR RB
RRR BB
RBR BR
RBB LW
RBR RB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBB LW
RBB RR
RBB RR ---
RRB RR 050103 T1
RRB W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB LL
RBB LL
RRR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RRB BR
RBR W
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBR W
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB LW
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRB BR
RRR LW
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBB RR
RRB W
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBR RB
RBR W
RRB BR
RRB BR
RBB RR
RRR LW
RRR BB
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBB W
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR LW
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR LW
RBB RR
RRR BB
RRR BB
RRR W
RBB RR
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB LL
RBR W
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB RR 050104 T1
RBB W
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR BB
RRB W
RBR RB
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBR LL
RRR W
RBB RR
RBB RR
RBB RR
RRR W
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR W
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBB W
RRR BB
RBB RR
RBR RB
RRR LL
RBR LW
RRR BB
RRR BB
RBR RB
RBB W
RBB RR
RRB BR
RBR RB
RBB LL
RRB LL
RRB W
RRB BR
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBR W
RRR BB
RRB BR
RBB RR
RBB W
RRR
RBR
Now you need to build a progression.
There is two ways to make one and it should have a humble beginning because the W will shop and you should profit from that and don´t be to aggressive.
My suggestion is that they start like this:
1 1 3 4
1 1 2 3
You need to develop a 12 step progression.
LWWLLWWWWWLLLWWLLWLWLLLWWLLWLWWLLWWWLWWLLWWWWLWLWLWLWWLLLLWWWLWLWWWLWWLWLWWLLWWW
LLWWWWLLLWWLLLLWWW
Cheers Lucky Strike :thumbsup:
Hi Lucky,
Much better I will read this a couple of times and try to beat in into my Skull.
Thank you for taking the time out to post this I will work on it, I assume if we get a streak of red or black we should take advantage of the event and flat bet on it.
Have you used this method in the Casino, and how is it doing for you.
So what we are looking for is choppy section, I think this is kind of like my Streaks post except with the streaks you get killed with a long streak of red or black, I wonder if a Fibonacci progression would work for this method.
Thank you for taking the time out to explain further.
Stuart Brandt
QuoteI think this is kind of like my Streaks post except with the streaks you get killed with a long streak of red or black
I don´t like to brag but the truth is that there is no posts here or else where using a Marty strategies that can compete with this one ;)
You can use it on
Craps
Roulette
Sic Bo
Baccarat
Cheers Lucky Strike
Clarification:
You play against this sequences itch time you have your 9.
RRB RBB RRR RRB RBB RRR RRB RBB RRR
RBR RRB RBR RBR RRB RBR RBR RRB RBR
RRBRBBRRRRRBRBBRRRRRBRBBRRR
RBRRRBRBRRBRRRBRBRRBRRRBRBR
RRBRBBRRR - RRBRBBRRRRRBRBBRRR
RBRRRBRBR - RBRRRBRBRRBRRRBRBR
RRBRBBRRR - R[RB]R[BB]R[RR]R[RB]R[BB]R[RR]
RBRRRBRBR - R[BR]R[RB]R[BR]R[BR]R[RB]R[BR]
Cheers LS
So is this your system of choice LS
No.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Sorry, i'm a newbie from Italy and:
1) I don't understand english very well
2) i'm not a roulette system guru.
Is it possible to Rx code this even chances system.
It really seems too complicated for me!
Thank you very much for your work
iceberg, [smiley=welcome/welcome.gif]
Regarding coding this system in RX, feel free post at the code request zone here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?board=coderequest
Sp1n may assist you.
Best regards and welcome to the forum family :thumbsup:
Victor
I'll try.
Thanx your suggestion and welcome.
hi jlp, lucky. i see you put there are 256 variations for a sequence of eight resuls. could please tell me the math for working this out so i may find the answer to groups of four,five six etc as i cant remember how to do it and may have an idea along these line but need to make sure its right before i post it up here. also is the 256 including the exact opposites or not?
would really appreciate the help.
thanks
shaine
It is counted as 2^8.
2 is the amount of possible results
and
8 is the amount of results in a row.
So for even chances groups of four, five and six are 2^4=16, 2^5=32 and 2^6=64.
Hope this helps.
Empro, [smiley=welcome/welcome.gif]
Nice to have a new contributing member. Enjoy around :thumbsup:
thanks empro. ill if the idea works and be back to you.
cheers
shaineicus "if the idea works " why don´t you post it so we can see what it is and maybe we can make some suggestions or improvements or maybe its find as it is :)
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi guys,
I have been using this system for a few days on JBET and it is with fun money but the spins are real.
here is a sample below of my play this morning.
Lucky is this correct, I have the triples next to each other, also after a zero how do you play, I have just waited till I get my next red
then I keep going.
I MUST SAY THIS DEAL REALLY SEEMS TO WORK LOL.
And you mentioned random against random is that a good thing or a bad thing lol.
AS YOU CAN SEE BLACK WAS HITTING TODAY.
RBBWW
B
RRBLW
RBRLW
R
B
RRRWW
B
B
RRRWL
B
B
B
RBBLW
RBBLL
RRRWL
B
B
RBRWW
B
RBR
B
B
RBB
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
RBR
R
B
B
B
RRB
DONE TIRED ONE
HOUR 19 MINUTES lol.
Stuart Brandt :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8-) :-? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-/ :-* :'( :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote
I MUST SAY THIS DEAL REALLY SEEMS TO WORK LOL.
That's great and i am happy for you :)
Now when i look at your example a get a little worry and i hope you do it correct. ;)
If you have RBB and RBR and RRR then you play after next Red appears and play RR and if it lose you wait for the next Red to appear and play RB and if it lose you wait for the next Red to appear and play BB.
Then your bet selection was RBB RBR RRR
and you bets was RR RB BB.
Now if you lose this 6 bets you just start from the beginning and repeat them after one Red appears.
That you do is to prevent this 3 patterns to repeat them self for 6 times and with your bet selection it becomes 9 times. That is a sequence of 27.
RBBRBRRRRRBBRBRRRRRBBRBRRRR
Cheers Lucky Strike :thumbsup:
Hi guys,
here is a sample of todays play again the method is a winner lol.
RRBWL 3250.00 this is my starting bank roll funny money but the spins are real
RRBLW
RBRWL I am playing the reverse of what came up in this case I won on R and lost on Black
R
B
B
B
B
RBBWL today I was using the Fibonacci with 25 dollar chips
B
RRRLW
R
R
B
B
B
B
RRRWW
R
R
R
B
B
RRB
B
B
B
RR0 here I got a zero and just waited for my next Red
B
B
RBB and here it is
END FOR TODAY
I think I am playing correct.
Stuart Brandt
Hi Guys,
I played some more this afternoon, still doing well, this method is like a freight train real slow but keeps on pulling lol.
I think if this was a double zero wheel it would be tougher but it still do well a bit slow but the money builds slowly.
Below I did not wait for a black after three straight reds is this correct Lucky Strike, LIKE SO RRR RBR RRR R-NOW BET ONE UNIT.
I USE THE FIBONACCI PROGRESSION, I think I reached the fourth level today.
RBBWW
RRRWW
B
RBRWL
RRRLL
B
B
B
RBBLL
0
RRRLW
RRRWW
RBBWW
RRBLL
RBBLL
RRRWL
RBRWW
B
B
B
B
B
RBBLL
RBRLW
RRBLL
B
0
B
RBBWL
RBBWW
RRB
B
B
B
B
B
B
RRB
RRR
Stuart Brandt
This is how i would use your exampel.
And there is a differens you cant just bet the oppisite with no tought.
The result is WWWLLWLWW
RBB
RRR
B
RBR
Here i have RBB - RRR - RBR now thats a bet selection. Now i would i play RR BB RB.
R(R)R W
Here we won so now we have RRR and need two more patterns of 3.
B
B
B
RBB
0
RRR
Now we have RRR RBB RRR so we play BB RR BB.
R(R)R W
So now we have RRR and need two more patterns of 3
RBB
RRB
Here we have RRR RBB RRB and we play BB RR BR.
R(B)B W
RRR
RBR
B
B
B
B
B
RBB LL
R(B)R W
RRB
B
0
B
RBB
RB(B) L W
RRB
B
B
B
B
B
B
RRB
R(R)R W
Hi Lucky Strike,
You mention random against random is this a good or bad thing, as understand random is a event that means you dont know if it will be red or black.
Stuart Brandt
Hi All,
Here I put a downloadable link to another Even chances system (Spirit system -doc. file) - in spanish :
nolinks://nolinks.miganancia.com/dw/SSpirit.doc
Cheers,
JLP.-
I played two hours today and am still ahead, so the method is still doing well, what I like is it makes you pay attention lol.
Today I messed one up I played red when I should have played black but I still one lol.
I did look at the link to the book but it was in Spanish, can someone post it in English.
I would be scared to use this here in the US at AC, they frown on you Writing stuff down, they will tell you to get out if you start winning big.
I would have to win 500.00 per day to make it worth going to AC, 500 mile trip, but this method might be able to do that with 25.00 dollar chips.
It would be fun to see how this method would do with the double zero wheel.
I think I am playing almost correct, has anyone used this method in the Casino or a double zero wheel.
Stuart Brandt
@ JLP the link works but it doesent download the file :-?
@ bikemotorman
If you don´t use them random aginst random then you would play aginst a static pattern it could be:
RBBRBBRBB - RBBRBBRBBRBBRBBRBB then you bets would be RR RR RR RR RR RR
and the downside of it would be less action.
When you play random aginst random you will get more action and play aginst ex:
RBB
RRR
B
RBR Here you play aginst RBBRRRRBRRBBRRRRBRRBBRRRRBR
RRR
B
B
B
RBB Here you play aginst RBRRRRRBBRBRRRRRBBRBRRRRRBB
RRR
RRR Here you play aginst RBBRRRRRRRBBRRRRRRRBBRRRRRR
RBB
RRB Here you play aginst RRRRBBRRBRRRRBBRRBRRRRBBRRB
RBB
RRR Here you play aginst RRBRBBRRRRRBRBBRRRRRBRBBRRR
RBR
B
B
B
B
B
RBB Here you play aginst RRRRBRRBBRRRRBRRBBRRRRBRRBB
RBR
RRB Here you play aginst RBBRBRRRBRBBRBRRRBRBBRBRRRB
B
0
B
RBB
RBB Here you play aginst RBBRBBRRBRBBRBBRRBRBBRBBRRB
RRB
B
B
B
B
B
B
RRB Here you play aginst RRBRRBRRBRBBRRBRRBRBBRRBRRB
RRR
Now i have run it regarding static pattern and i won and pass 450 000 spins. Now if you use random aginst random you will have a shot on to pass 450 000 and maybe you can hit 500 000 or 600 000 before it fails.
Ask Lady Luck :thumbsup:
Cheers LS
will it fail eventually then Lucky
Yes it will fail :'( but the question is if you are going to use it for one week or 5 years before it does ;D ask lady luck :o
thats gambling ::)
Cheers Lucky Strike
QuoteHi All,
Here I put a downloadable link to another Even chances system (Spirit system -doc. file) - in spanish :
nolinks://nolinks.miganancia.com/dw/SSpirit.doc
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi mates,
I see there are problems with the link so I put here the complete original system and an additional link :
nolinks://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:SL-5AhnXizYJ:nolinks.miganancia.com/dw/SSpirit.doc+sistema+spirit&hl=es&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=uy
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[size=20]
Sistema
SPIRIT VD v.1.0.2004
(Variante D'Alembert a 128 elementos)
Creado por el usuario: Awazx [/size]
Los datos aquí mostrados han sido comprobados y revisados con el programa de análisis informático Roulette Play One
Conocimientos preliminares:
En una tirada de 128 giros tenderán a salir una media de 30 series (de 1 a N número de elementos.) Entendemos como "elemento" cada uno de los resultados posibles para cada suerte (chance).
Debido a las leyes de la probabilidad, la distribución por cantidades para cada una de las series obtiene los siguientes resultados para 128 giros:
32 series de 1 elemento
16 series de 2 elementos
8 series de 3 elementos
4 series de 4 elementos
2 series de 5 elementos
1 serie de 6 elementos o más.
Debido a las constantes fluctuaciones del azar, los valores arriba indicados pueden sufrir considerables variaciones. Los datos pertenecen solo a una proporción matemática exacta.
Indico aquí ciertas consideraciones que son conocidas por todo sistemista profesional, pero necesarias de recordar para entender correctamente el sistema:
Todos los sistemas son ganadores y perdedores a un tiempo. La oscilación pendular inevitable en un juego de azar como es la ruleta se manifestará en cualquiera de las 3 polaridades posibles (R/N, Par/Impar, Pasa/Falta) como en la suma parcial de sus numerosas partes.
Tarde o temprano todo sistema caerá en el ciclo pendular de perdida.
Aunque los datos probables asignados a los eventos azarosos pueden ser cuantificables con un grado de efectividad considerable, todo cálculo matemático aplicado a un sistema de azar obtiene solo ventajas en el terreno del cuanto. Sin embargo, en lo referente al cuando, toda ciencia matemática queda obsoleta en su incapacidad de obtener una predicción precisa para ubicar un evento en el tiempo.
Solo hay un método para obtener beneficios de un proceso gobernado por el azar: la administración eficiente de los recursos.
Filosofía práctica del sistema SPIRIT:
Los eventos de juego en el SPIRIT están basados en las series de elementos por considerarse que es en este factor donde se obtiene la mayor estabilidad de juego. Si bien los desplazamientos son inevitables, estos son enormemente inferiores a los obtenidos con otros factores bipolares (como podría serlo el juego a Rojo y Negro por elementos individuales, donde el diferencial puede alcanzar los cientos de giros a favor de uno u otro.)
APLICACIÓN TEÓRICA DEL SISTEMA DE JUEGO Imaginemos por un momento que la ruleta fuera incapaz de dar series mayores de 2 elementos seguidos, pero que a su vez, ésta mantuviera su proporción matemática basada en probabilidades. Como este ejemplo, de cada 150 series, 100 pertenecerían al grupo de series de 1 (Elementos Individuales) y las 50 restantes al grupo de series de 2 elementos.
En esta serie ficticia se obtiene un parcial de 13 elementos individuales frente a 6 series de 2 elementos seguidos. Son 19 series en total:
RR N R N R N RR NN R N R N RR N R N R NN RR
Por tanto, y de ser cierto esto, sería muy fácil encontrar un sistema ganador: Bastaría con apostar en aquellos casos en los que el último elemento tiene la probabilidad de quedar como elemento individual.
Ejemplo:
RR N
En este caso, el elemento NEGRO queda como inicio de una serie de la cual desconocemos todavía cual será su desarrollo. No podemos determinar si volverá a salir Negro (con lo que obtendríamos una serie de 2) o si saldrá ROJO (con lo que este elemento quedaría a efectos de cálculo como Elemento Individual).
Pero ya que nosotros apostamos a que el inicio de serie queda como Elemento Individual, en este ejemplo apostaríamos a ROJO, por ser la suerte (chance) que permite este juego. Supongamos que efectivamente, sale.
Quedaría así:
RR N R
+
De este juego obtendríamos nuestra primera ficha de ganancia.
El siguiente elemento con probabilidad de quedar como Elemento Individual es, como se adivina, el último ROJO que ha salido. Por tanto, ahora deberíamos apostar a NEGRO, quien rompería la secuencia.
Imaginemos que efectivamente, sale:
RR N R N
+ +
Con este sencillo sistema obtenemos nuestra segunda ficha de ganancia.
En un caso contrario:
RR N RR
+ -
Vuelve a salir ROJO, con lo que perdemos nuestra primera unidad. Recordemos que en nuestra estadística ficticia, el mayor número de elementos que pueden componer una serie es 2. Por tanto, en el siguiente giro está obligado a salir el color NEGRO.
RR N RR N
+ -
Volvemos a tener un nuevo elemento de inicio de serie del cual desconocemos su desarrollo. Nuestro sistema se basa en la apuesta a Elementos Individuales, por tanto, ahora deberíamos apostar a ROJO.
Supongamos que sale:
RR N RR N R
+ - +
La apuesta obtiene éxito. El balance global para esta secuencia es de 3 eventos de juego de los cuales acertamos 2 y perdimos 1.
Recordemos por un momento nuestra anterior probabilidad matemática. Dijimos que por cada serie de 2 elementos seguidos obtendríamos 2 Elementos Individuales. Por tanto, en una secuencia de 150 series, 100 corresponderían a EI (Elementos Individuales) y 50 a Series de 2. Cada EI paga +1. Cada Serie de 2 resta -1. El balance total obtendría para 150 series un parcial de +50 unidades.
Obviamente, ésta no es la realidad. En una secuencia de 128 giros la suma total de todas las series de 2 elementos y mayores (3, 4, 5 elementos seguidos etc.) será equivalente a la suma global de EI. Incluso es posible que determinadas secuencias obtengan resultados en los que la suma de Series mayores o iguales a 2 sea superior a la suma global de Elementos Individuales.
Sin embargo, los posibles desplazamientos de perdida en este caso son realmente mínimos. Los equilibrios resultantes en un juego basado a series son de una precisión desconcertante y difícilmente pueden obtenerse mediante otros medios.
Recordemos la anterior tabla de probabilidad matemática para 128 elementos:
Saldrán aprox. para 128 giros:
R N
RR NN
RRR RRR
RRRR NNNN
RRRRR RRRRR
RRRRRR RRRRRR
32 series de 1 elemento
16 series de 2 elementos
8 series de 3 elementos
4 series de 4 elementos
2 series de 5 elementos
1 serie de 6 elementos o más.
Recordemos también que nuestro sistema toma como eventos positivos de acierto lo que denominamos EI (Elementos Individuales). Ahora bien, de acuerdo a la tabla matemática de probabilidad, sabemos que la suma global de todas las series iguales o mayores de 2 (IM2) será proporcionalmente equivalente al total de EI.
Esto significa que apoyándonos en éste sistema de juego obtendremos la misma cantidad de aciertos que de fallos. Un acierto por cada EI, y un fallo por cada serie igual o mayor a 2 elementos.
Un método de apuesta plana, por ello, no es indicado para este sistema de juego. En los desplazamientos positivos, es decir, en aquellos márgenes de tirada en los cuales se ha obtenido un mayor número de EI frente a series > o = de 2, tendríamos el beneficio correspondiente al diferencial entre eventos de juego (obtenido mediante la resta de series => 2 a los EI.) En su contrario, en aquellos supuestos en los que las series Iguales o Mayores de 2 (abreviado IM2) obtengan un parcial positivo, obtendríamos un margen de perdida igual a la resta de todas series de EI de las series IM2.
APLICACIÓN PRÁCTICA DEL SISTEMA DE JUEGO Aplicando la famosa progresión D'Alenbert, donde frente a un evento fallo añadimos una unidad y donde en un evento acierto restamos una unidad, encontraríamos un potente sistema de juego aplicando esta sencilla fórmula matemática en un juego basado a series. La razón estriba en el equilibrio resultante entre la suma de EI y la suma global de IM2.
En un inicio, el sistema de D'Alenbert se creó para su aplicación en las suertes sencillas (chances), pero basándose para ello en la cantidad global para cada una de las suertes.
El problema de esta aplicación de juego es que las suertes sencillas, en periodos relativamente cortos, pueden obtener parciales de diferencial entre ellas considerables (de cientos y hasta miles de giros de diferencia a favor de una u otra).
Si tenemos en cuenta que un diferencial de 99 elementos otorga, para la progresión D'Alanbert, una pérdida de 4.950 unidades en contra, vemos que éste no es un sistema adecuado por el riesgo que entraña.
Ahora bien, todo esto toma un cáliz muy distinto en un sistema de juego aplicado a series. Recordemos aquí que una de nuestras ventajas se basa en el equilibrio.
Analicemos esta serie compuesta de 17 giros:
(SS.1)
RRR NNN RRR NNN R N R N R
Aquí obtenemos:
IM2) 4 eventos (4 series de 3 elementos)
EI) 4 eventos (4 series de EI)
Apliquemos la progresión D'Alenbert:
(SS.1)
RRR NNN RRR NNN R N R N R
-1 -2 -3 -4 +5+4+3+2
¿Cómo se analiza esta sencilla serie? Observemos:
Giro 1.
Sale rojo.
R
Nosotros jugamos como evento positivo a EI. Por tanto, ahora deberíamos aportar a NEGRO, quien otorgaría el hecho de que este evento ROJO quede como EI.
Pero no es así. Vuelve a salir ROJO. Tenemos pues:
Giro 2.
RR
-1
El -1 señalado abajo indica la cantidad de la apuesta realizada y que obviamente perdimos. En base a la progresión D'Alenbert, la apuesta es siempre 1 inicialmente.
Ahora observemos detenidamente lo siguiente. En este punto no podemos determinar el desarrollo que tendrá esta serie, por ahora compuesta de 2 elementos. Sin embargo, ello no debe importarnos. Esta serie forma parte ahora de las series IM2, es decir, series iguales o mayores a 2 elementos.
Por tanto, ahora solo queda esperar a que esta serie prosiga su curso natural hasta que se rompa por la salida de su contrario (en este caso, NEGRO).
Esperamos y el siguiente giro nos da otro evento ROJO:
Giro 3.
RRR
-1
Por ahora, esta serie consta de 3 elementos. Debemos seguir esperando hasta que se rompa. En el siguiente giro, efectivamente lo hace y sale NEGRO:
Giro 4.
RRR N
-1
Este último evento NEGRO queda como el inicio de una serie de la cual tampoco conocemos cual será su desarrollo. Sin embargo, queda en potencia para ser un EI. Por ello aplicamos ahora la progresión de apuesta D'Alenbert y añadimos una unidad (+1) a nuestra anterior perdida. Nuestra apuesta será pues de 2 unidades a ROJO, quien rompería la serie:
Giro 5.
RRR NN
-1 -2
No sale ROJO. Si hubiera salido, ahora tendríamos nuestro primer evento positivo y aplicaríamos la reducción D'Alenbert, es decir, restaríamos una ficha. No es así, por lo que debemos esperar de nuevo. Y vuelve a salir NEGRO:
Giro 6.
RRR NNN
-1 -2
Debemos esperar. De momento, esta nueva serie consta de 3 elementos, una serie que ya pasó a formar parte en el giro Nº 5 al grupo de las IM2. En el giro 7, sale ROJO, quien rompe la serie:
Giro 7.
RRR NNN R
-1 -2
De nuevo otro evento, en éste caso ROJO, queda como potencial de ser EI. Aplicamos la progresión D'Alenbert y añadimos una ficha más para el siguiente juego, a NEGRO. Pero como ya sabemos, no sale y perdemos nuestra apuesta de 3 unidades:
Giro 8.
RRR NNN RR
-1 -2 -3
Por ahora, tenemos un parcial de 3 eventos en contra, frente cero eventos a favor. Todos los inicios de serie se han convertido en series IM2. En el giro 9, vuelve a salir ROJO. Toca esperar:
Giro 9.
RRR NNN RRR
-1 -2 -3
El giro Nº 10 nos da otro evento en potencia de ser positivo:
Giro 10.
RRR NNN RRR N
-1 -2 -3
Pero como ya sabemos no será así. Recordemos que debemos añadir una unidad a nuestra apuesta, que pasa a ser ahora 4. Perdemos en el giro 11:
Giro 11.
RRR NNN RRR NN
-1 -2 -3 -4
Toca esperar. El giro 12 vuelve a ser NEGRO:
Giro 12.
RRR NNN RRR NNN
-1 -2 -3 -4
En nuestra espera, nos topamos con que el giro Nº 13 se nos da otra oportunidad de obtener un EI. Sale ROJO:
Giro 13.
RRR NNN RRR NNN R
-1 -2 -3 -4
Nuestra apuesta es ahora de 5 unidades. Efectivamente, sale NEGRO en el giro 14, que nos da nuestro primer evento positivo, el primer EI de esta serie.
Observemos como el último rojo perteneciente al giro 13 queda como EI (subrayado en el giro 14) y que a su vez, el último elemento Negro queda en potencia para convertirse en un nuevo EI. Ahora aplicamos la reducción D'Alenbert y restamos una unidad a nuestra siguiente apuesta, que pasará de nuevo a ser 4 para el giro 15:
Giro 14.
RRR NNN RRR NNN R N
-1 -2 -3 -4 +5
En el giro 15 vuelve a romperse la serie y sale ROJO, quedando el evento Negro del giro 14 (subrayado en el giro 15) como EI y dándonos a su vez otro evento en potencia de convertirse en EI:
Giro 15.
RRR NNN RRR NNN R N R
-1 -2 -3 -4 +5+4
Por ahora tenemos un parcial de 4 eventos negativos (4 series IM2) frente a 2 eventos positivos (2 series EI). Nuestro sistema se basa en el equilibrio exacto. Por tanto, todavía necesitamos 2 eventos positivos más para completar el ciclo. El giro 16 nos da otro acierto. Sale NEGRO:
Giro 16.
RRR NNN RRR NNN R N R N
-1 -2 -3 -4 +5+4+3
Si ahora, en el giro nº 17 saliera ROJO, el último negro del giro 16 quedaría como serie EI, dándonos el 4º evento positivo de apuesta. Sabemos que sale y queda así:
Giro 17.
RRR NNN RRR NNN R N R N R
-1 -2 -3 -4 +5+4+3+2
Obtenemos el equilibrio exacto entre eventos de apuesta negativos y positivos (fallos y aciertos).
Series IM2: 4 eventos.
Series EI: 4 eventos.
Solo queda realizar el cálculo de beneficio, que como se adivina, será de una unidad para cada evento positivo, es decir, en este caso, para cada serie EI:
Para las series IM2: -1,-2,-3,-4= -10 unidades.
Para las series EI: +5,+4,+3,+2= +14 unidades.
Total: (+14)-(-10) = + 4 unidades. Una por cada serie EI.
Ahora bien, hasta aquí todo es correcto y sin duda, cualquier simulador informático avalaría estos datos. Sin embargo, hay una variable que difícilmente puede ser calculada y menos remotamente pronosticada y que afecta de modo vital a este sistema de apuesta. Y la variable se llama "el como". Esta variable "el como", quiere decir que nos será imposible determinar que orden de sucesión tomarán los elementos de juego, tanto positivos como negativos, en el transcurso de la tanda de giros.
Nuestra anterior serie de 17 elementos fue creada a propósito con la finalidad de mostrar el método de apuesta D'Alanbert en una sucesión de acontecimientos de apuesta (tanto positivos, como negativos) que nos resultara favorable. Analicemos esta serie. Consta también de 17 elementos (giros) y de la misma cantidad de EI como de series IM2. Únicamente cambia el orden, (la sucesión) que toman los eventos de apuesta:
(SS.2)
R N R N R NNN RRR NNN RRR
+1+1+1+1 -1 -2 -3 -4
Como vemos, el inicio de la serie es aparentemente favorable. De hecho, la sucesión de eventos positivos es la mejor que puede esperarse para esta serie de 17 elementos, con igualdad numérica entre eventos positivos y negativos.
Pero si ahora realizamos un cierre de sistema, es decir, si ahora basándonos en la cantidad de eventos obtenidos, tanto positivos como negativos, hiciéramos un balance global de beneficio (tal y como hicimos con nuestra primera serie) vemos claramente que el parcial sería negativo:
Para las series EI: +1,+1,+1,+1= +4 unidades.
Para las series IM2: -1,-2,-3,-4= -10 unidades.
Total: (+4)-(-10)= - 6 unidades.
Efectivamente, el sistema D'Alembert en el caso de proseguir, realizaría un esfuerzo titánico por buscar el equilibrio necesario para contrarrestar esta sucesión de acontecimientos de eventos de apuesta. Sin embargo, nótese que, de cerrar con saldo positivo el ciclo anteriormente dictado, se necesitaría como mínimo de 4 eventos positivos más de los pretendidamente necesarios. Es decir, la aparente ventaja ofrecida al inicio de ésta serie se convierte en desventaja matemática; los eventos positivos generados al inicio ya no sirven para contrarrestar los eventos negativos que sin duda surgirán a lo largo del proceso de giros. El equilibrio entre eventos de apuesta (positivos y negativos) para la progresión D'Alenbert, se rompe.
NEUTRALIZAR EL FACTOR "COMO" El factor "como" determina que, sin importar el número de eventos a favor o en contra, y dependiendo del orden de sucesión de estos, podríamos encontrar largas series compuestas de eventos positivos en su mayoría (en este caso, series EI) con una proporción desventajosa de eventos negativos (en este caso, series IM2) y, sin embargo, vernos en la necesidad de continuar buscando más eventos de juego positivos para poder cerrar el ciclo con el saldo positivo pertinente (una ficha para cada evento positivo, es decir, +1 para cada EI.)
El único medio de neutralizar el factor "como" es mediante la administración correcta de los recursos que están en juego. En éste caso y como es obvio, los recursos toman el papel de nuestro dinero.
La clave radica en los montos de apuesta.
Volvamos a analizar la antepenúltima serie (etiquetada como SS.2)
(SS.2)
R N R N R NNN RRR NNN RRR
+1+1+1+1 -1 -2 -3 -4
Ahora, aplicaremos una variante de apuesta D'Alenbert.
En lugar de comenzar el monto de apuesta en una (1) unidad, el monto inicial ascenderá a veinte (20) unidades.
Cuando perdamos, en lugar de añadir una unidad, añadiremos tres (3).
Cuando ganemos, en lugar de reducir una unidad, reduciremos en cuatro (4) las unidades de apuesta.
Veamos que hubiera pasado aplicando éste método de administración en nuestra anterior secuencia (SS.2)
(SS.2)
R N R N R NNN RRR NNN RRR
+20+16+12 +8 -4 -7 -10 -13
Para las series EI: +20,+16,+12,+8= +56 unidades.
Para las series IM2: -4,-7,-10,-13 = -34 unidades.
Total: (+56)-(-34)= + 22 unidades.
Ahora analicemos que ocurriría con la secuencia antagónica, es decir, completamente inversa a ésta, donde los 4 primeros eventos de apuesta son los negativos. Ésta es la serie etiquetada más arriba como SS.1:
(SS.1)
RRR NNN RRR NNN R N R N R
-20 -23 -26 -29 +32+28+24+20
Para las series EI: +32,+28,+24,+20= +104 unidades.
Para las series IM2: -20,-23,-26,-29 = -98 unidades.
Total: (+104)-(-98)= + 6 unidades.
Vemos que el ciclo queda cerrado también con balance positivo.
CIERRE DEL SISTEMA El sistema realmente nunca queda cerrado. Simplemente, usted aplicará lo que llamamos Ciclos de Juego. Un ciclo de juego comienza desde un "punto cero" o "punto de inicio" desde el cual, la apuesta inicial será siempre de 20 unidades.
¿Cuándo se da el ciclo por concluido?
Cuando, desde el inicio del "Punto Cero", usted haya acumulado la misma cantidad de aciertos que de fallos. El método de contabilización de éste campo lo elegirá usted. Para ciclos cortos le bastará un simple vistazo a su libreta para contabilizar cuantos eventos negativos y positivos lleva acumulados desde el inicio. Cuando los ciclos sean un poco más largos, quizá le será útil llevar una cuenta separada de los aciertos y fallos.
Recuerde, siempre y cuando usted obtenga la misma cantidad de aciertos que de fallos y sea como sea el orden en que estos salgan (la sucesión de eventos) usted obtendrá beneficios.
Cuando el Ciclo de Juego haya concluido, borre su libreta y comience un nuevo ciclo, con un nuevo "Punto cero" de comienzo y valor de unidad inicial 20 unidades.
EL CERO COMO EVENTO (Datos para Ruletas Europeas de un solo cero.) Debido al método de apuesta empleado, el cero pierde su potencial de ventaja para la casa y baja de un 2.63 % a un 1.32%. Esto quiere decir que usted perderá su apuesta con el cero aproximadamente solo en un 50% de los casos en los que éste salga. De perder su apuesta con el cero, tome esa perdida como un evento negativo más y aplíquele la progresión que corresponda.
ESTADÍSTICAS ADVERSAS: En el simulador se han detectado desplazamientos negativos para ciclos de 128 elementos de hasta 20 eventos en contra, En éste caso, la paciencia es su mejor aliado. También es posible que usted se encuentre en un punto del ciclo en el cual todavía requiere de uno, dos o tres eventos positivos (aciertos) para cerrar ese ciclo, pero sin embargo, la cuantía de los premios y las perdidas hace que usted ya tenga beneficio en la mano. Aquí, su juicio respecto a lo que hacer es vital; si retirarse y comenzar un nuevo "Punto cero" o bien continuar hasta obtener el balance exacto.
ESTADÍSTICAS FAVORABLES: Para ciclos completos de 128 elementos (giros) se obtienen los resultados esperados en 9 de cada 10 intentos. Cada ciclo de 128 giros se compone a su vez de los ya citados "Ciclos de Juego", en los cuales se reinicia el sistema a sus valores originales sin tener en cuenta los giros anteriores.
COMO TRIPLICAR LAS GANANCIAS Muy sencillo en su aspecto teórico pero quizá no tanto para los poco versados en el apunte de notas en "tiempo real": Juegue a la vez en las tres suertes (chances), con capitales independientes para casa una de ellas y con apuntes del mismo modo separados.
CAPITAL NECESARIO APROX. No es imprescindible, pero si importante, contar con un capital de 400 unidades para cada una de las suertes. Es muy posible que en toda su vida usted solo llegue a utilizar la mitad de ese dinero, pero ir al campo de batalla con menos munición es un riesgo que tendrá que asumir. Los desplazamientos calculados para este sistema pueden requerir en algunos casos de esa cantidad.
Y RECUERDE:
Más importante aún que el sistema a emplear es su correcta aplicación. No realice cambios en el último momento. No busque recuperar su dinero en la siguiente jugada.
Usted no ganará siempre, en ciclos puntuales. La Ruleta puede dar y dará, todas las combinaciones de jugadas posibles e imaginables, por difíciles que puedan suponerse. Por ello e independientemente de lo poderoso que sea su sistema, tarde o temprano éste caerá. Usted obtendrá su beneficio porque ganará más veces de las que perderá. No hay otro medio.
Los casinos saben perfectamente que su mejor aliado es el tiempo y los grandes números. Aprenda de ellos y coloque esos factores a su favor. Dé tiempo a su sistema para exprimirlo al máximo. Realice sus apuestas de acuerdo a los cálculos ya prefijados, no fuerce la máquina. Cuantos más giros, mejor. Divida sus apuestas lo máximo posible, intente que las progresiones sean lo más suaves posibles.
Le deseo lo mejor con el sistema SPIRIT.
Para cualquier aclaración o comentario, pueden dirigirse al foro de nolinks.grupojoker.com o bien contactar con Awazx en su correo electrónico: Awazx101@hotmail.com
Un cordial saludo.
SPIRIT –VD. V.1.0.2004
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JLP.-
Hi guys,
I cant read Spanish is there a translation to english.
Here is a sample of my play today, I had seven losses in a row I think.
I was still able to profit today, but it was close lol.
I played on Jebet for 96 minutes today, this method still keeps chugging away, but it is boring.
I still think I would get killed on a double zero wheel.
RBRLL
B
B
B
RBRWL
RBBLL
B
B
RBRLL
B
B
B
RRRLW
RBBLL
B
B
RBRWW
B
B
B
B
B
0
RRBWL
RRBWL
B
RRBLL
RBBLL
RBBLW
B
B
RRBLW
RBBLW
B
RBR
B
B
B
RRR
B
B
RBR
Stuart Brandt
Hey Lucky,
I still am trying to figure out what you are getting at, do you mean if I lost six times in a row we would have to play the same order again, or just repeat my last six bets.
I am sorry I am not understanding what you are getting at, However I am trying.
Stuart Brandt
Lose 7 bets well then you have 5 bets left, no worrys, it happens.
If you lost six times in a row you would have to play the same order again, just repeat the last six bets.
If it was RR RB BR then you would play RR RB BR again after red appeats.
Like this.
Bet selection.
RBR
RRR
RRB
Result RB BB BR this is the bets we use when red appears.
B
B
R red appers now we play RB for two attempts.
B
R we lose two bets now we wait for a new red to appear.
B
B
B
R red appers now we play BB for two attempts.
R
R we lose two bets now we wait for a new red to appear.
B
B
B
B
B
R red appers now we play BR for two attempts.
R
B we lose two bets now we wait for a new red to appear and we have lost 6 bets RB BB BR.
Before we continue lets take a look at what has happend.
Bet selection was
RBR
RRR
RRB
And the next 3 series of 3 was
RBR
RRR
RRB
Now do you see what i see and that is what you trying to prevent from happening, they repeat them self it the exact same order.
B
B
B
R red appear now we play RB so here you just repeat them and use them again RB BB BR the same bets with the same order.
If you lose your next 6 bets then this has happend.
RBR
RRR
RRB
RBR
RRR
RRB
RBR
RRR
RRB
Now you have got sereis of 3 that have repeat them self for 9 times.
Cheers LS
I haven't tried testing this yet, but I have to say that was a nice explanation. :thumbsup:
Well,
I got killed today by jbet I played correct I think but I did not do well, I was flat betting and it did not come out well lol.
My fault of course but it was fun, I put in more then two straight hours today but I think I am playing correct now.
Yes Lucky is the man lol.
Sample below.
RBR-
RRR-
B
B
RRR-
B
RBBLW- I started here
RRRLL-
RRRLL-
RRRLL- seven straight losses lol
RBBLW-
RRRLL-
B
B
RBRWL-
B
B
B
RBBLL-
B
0
B
B
B
B
B
B
0
RRRLL-
0 two zero
RBRLL-
RBRLW-
B
RBRWL
B
B
RBBLW
RRBWL
RRBWW finished off on a ww which is a good thing
Stuart Brandt
I think I was playing random versus random lol.
Here is one more hour of correct play at jbet.
RRB-
R
0
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
RRR-
B
B
B
0
RBB-
B
RBRWW-
RRRLL-
B
B
B
B
B
RRRWW-
RBRLL-
RRBLW
B
RBBWW
B
RRRWL
Stuart Brandt
You are doing it wrong mate look at how i get the result L W L L W W L L L W W that is 3 loses in a row not 7
RBR-
RRR-
B
B
RRR- Here we have RB BB BB and we play
B
RBB LW
RRR Here we have BB RR BB and we play
RRR LL
RRR W
RBB
RRR Here we have BB RR BB and we play
B
B
RBR W
B
B
B
RBB
B
0
B
B
B
B
B
B
0
RRR Here we have RB RR BB and we play
0
RBR LL
RBR LW
B
RBR
B
B
RBB Hwre we have RB RB RR and we play
RRB W
RRB
Now here is the secound ex and the result is W L L L W now if we add them you have
L W L L W W L L L W W W L L L W
RRB
R
0
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
RRR
B
B
B
0
RBB Here we have BR BB RR and we play
B
RBR W
RRR
B
B
B
B
B
RRR Here we have RB BB BB and we play
RBR LL
RRB LW
B
RBB
B
RRR
Cheers LS
As i see it you have your first bet selection and then play until you hit your first win.
Then that pattern that gave you a win and next two patterns that will come are going to be your new bet selection and you play until you hit a win. Over and over again. That is random bet selection.
Cheers Lucky Strike
Hi guys,
I won six straight today but kept going lol.
RRR
RBR
B
B
B
RRR
B
B
B
B
RBBWW I PLAYED HERE BB 2 WINS
B
B
RRBWW OK 4 STRAIGHT WINS ON JBET WOW
RBBWW OK TIME TO GO HOME 6 STRAIGHT WON
RB0LL I KEEP GOING START AFTER R
B
B
RRBLL KEEP GOING AFTER R
0
B
RBRLW KEEP GOING AFTER R
B
RBL STOP HERE because I made a mistake I forgot about the above zero and did not have a triple
Lucky I seem to understand you mean to play 12 bets total and start over with new bet selections and 3 new triples then play starts on the R is this correct.
Stuart Brandt
Yes :)
Good Luck Cheers LS
Hi Lucky and JLP,
I think the light has come on in my head about this method lol.
It seems the method is giving steady wins on the single zero wheel, but I looked more close at the posts by Lucky and he seems to wait a full nine spins to get his bet selections after the first six, am I correct on this.
I think this method really has some good points, but there is a lot of book work and writing, however if I can make 50 dollars per hour in the real Casino with it I don't mind too much.
I have been starting with my first nine events to get my bet selections and have only had to replay the first six bets once, but the method seems to work slowly but it chugs along.
I mentioned this method to someone I know who really knows about physics, and they smiled said random against random that might work lol.
The person said man likes to have order but roulette is disorder at its best or worst lol.
It would seem this person likes the idea of random versus random.
I should have some results tomorrow.
Stuart Brandt
bikemotorman how does it go?
Cheers Lucky Strike
When you're trying with only a selection of 30 pattern vs. the roulette wheel, you're doing a pseudo-random vs. random.
If you need truly random vs. random playing, you can try this.
Bet on the colors you get from an adjacent roulette wheel.
For that to fail, both tables MUST get the exact same offset of colors during 8 spins. (which I think is extremely rare)
I tried this online. Running 2 roulette tables in play mode, back-to-back. Betting on the result (R or B) of one wheel, on the other. The results are much stable than betting on a single color, pattern or zig-zag.
I tried using Martingale and Fibonacci.
Most of the time I won with-in 6 steps. (32 units in marty)
The only issue is dealing with '0' s. Because zeros work as wild cards in casino's advantage. Whenever I hit a zero, it ends up at 64 units. And ALL the losing streaks (going above 128 units) I got was because at least 2 zeros appeared in a wheel with in 8 spins.
This system has a 1/255 change of losing. Martingale doesn't work because when that 1 losing streak comes, it will take away the 255 units you gained. Fibonacci gives better profits, but still it can't avoid losing when 2 or more zeros come-up.
Does someone has a better progression for this system?
QuoteIf you need truly random vs. random playing, you can try this.
Okay and what should we do?
QuoteBet on the colors you get from an adjacent roulette wheel.
For that to fail, both tables MUST get the exact same offset of colors during 8 spins. (which I think is extremely rare)
Well i don´t think it would last for 50.000 or 100.000!
I run a test for 93 spins and hit 8 loses in a row using your method.
LWLWLWLWWWWWWLWLLLWWLLWLLWLLLLWLLWWLWLLLWLWWWWLLWLLLLLLLL
Quote
I tried using Martingale and Fibonacci.
Most of the time I won with-in 6 steps. (32 units in marty)
Its is an illusion to think that you have to win at every step using a progression.
The first thing you should do is to start with 111 after that you can progress and increase your bets.
Like 1 1 1 2 3 5 or 1 1 1 2 4 8 because you don´t want to force your self, your BR or the bet selection to gain
a profit. You should let the disperation / consentration of hits to generate a profit.
If we take your ex 6 step then it could look like this, but i don´t recomend it.
Highest placed bet 4 units. Profit 17 units. Bankroll 17 units. Progression 111248.
L 1
W 1
W 1 +1
L 1
L 1
W 1 +0
W 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +3
W 1 +4
L 1
L 1
W 1 +3
L 1
W 1
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +2
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
L 1
W 1
W 1 +3
L 1
L 1
W 1 +2
W 1
W 1 +4
L 1
W 1
W 1 +5
L 1
L 1
W 1 +4
W 1
W 1
W 1 +7
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +8
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 4 +7
W 1
W 1 +9
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1
W 1 +11
L 1
W 1
W 1 +12
L 1
W 1
L 1
W 1
W 1 +13
L 1
L 1
W 1 +12
W 1
W 1 +14
L 1
L 1
W 1 +13
W 1
W 1
W 1 +16
L 1
L 1
L 1
W 2 +15
W 1 +16
L 1
L 1
L 1
L 2
W 4 +15
W 1
W 1 +17
Cheers LS
The LS sample looks like good for Pluscop (Oscar Grind). I tried it long time ago on two neighbors roulettes in casino but the problem was that one was to fast and one too slow. The one came 3 times more often then the other. But that is really true random idea.
Or take a pendulum and pendel the next result - R or B? You cannot be 8 times wrong, I guarantee you. Try it at home online in fun mode.
Predict the next outcome in all EC games (50/50). Actually, when you will practice it often you get better and better results. Practice makes the master. My record is 10 of 10 on R/B but in real game it is different because the psyche and other circumstances speak too.
Hermes.
It reminds me on guy long time ago playing in Germany. He had write down 50 numbers from roulette and went for coffee. After one hour or so he came back and played the 50 numbers (red/black) but I don't know if with or against them; with some funny progression, but the grouchy didn't want to reveal to me. I saw him win a lot on that day.
Hermes
Hi All,
Here is the original ebook complete (Jaque a la Ruleta y al Bingo) of author Ramonas that user Ricardo uploaded on another Forum (the ebook divided in 6 parts).
Link : nolinks://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=72&mforum=ruletayalgomas (nolinks://server4.foros.net/viewtopic.php?t=72&mforum=ruletayalgomas)
Cheers,
JLP.-
Thanks JLP I would like to read it because I did some translating before with the help of a spell checker that also could translate, but its hard and takes a lot of time :-\
Cheers Lucky Strike
Quote from: lucky strike on October 17, 2008, 08:58:29 PM
Thanks JLP I would like to read it because I did some translating before with the help of a spell checker that also could translate, but its hard and takes a lot of time :-\
Cheers Lucky Strike
Ok. Also if I don´t recall exactly the author talks something about Baccarat (Punto Banco).
Cheers,
JLP.-
HI
Nice Thread .. but why is it down? Random Vs. Random is a nice approach of challenge roulette
will do some analyzes related to this also , because i just came up with the same idea later--.. good to see that some others did this aswell
but why is this thread sleeping for such a long time..?
cheerz
Hi folks,
I have not posted in a long time.
But I have used this concept to play craps, the most losses in a row I have had is four.
Lucky said a year ago that this type of play would work well with craps.
I have been doing it this way.
P is for pass, D is for dont pass.
ppp
d
pdd
d
d
d
d
ppp ww
pdd ww
I start playing above I play just what came out I dont reverse or anything like that, craps has far less streaks then roulette.
What do you guys think, I will keep working on it.
I use Fibonacci progression. 5 10 15 25 40 65
Stuart :)
Here is some play today.
D
PDP WL
D
D
PDD LW
PDD LW
D
PPD WL
D
D
D
PPD LW
PPP LL
PDD WW
D
PDD
D
PDD
I like the results so far RANDOM AGAINST RANDOM.
STUART
OOps had a loss of 7 in a row yesterday, not good let me see what happens next.
I may have to tweak this a bit.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on March 20, 2009, 08:31:39 AM
OOps had a loss of 7 in a row yesterday, not good let me see what happens next.
I may have to tweak this a bit.
Stuart
and you can see a lot more loses.what if you start betting after 7 "virtual" losses(without bet)?that sould be better you will wait a little more to bet but with this way you will have the original pattern,then the repeat of pattern makes a total of 14 virtual losses,then you can go and bet much more safe ride from the 15nth spin,against your 7 number pattern for repeating for 3rd time.if you lose then you will have the once in a million event that is 21 losses( but you will have lost only 7 bets), as con-fus-ed says,you dont know when this will come.so its all gambling again as all systems:)
QuoteOOps had a loss of 7 in a row yesterday,
What is the big deal with 7 loses when its only a loss of 5 units - 1 1 1 2 3 5 8 - if you use a slow fibo...
QuoteI may have to tweak this a bit.
bikemotorman nice to have you around here and I know that you play a littel different then the previos posts - so plz feel free to share with us how you play random against random :)
Maybe I can help out with some ideas I have...
And if I know you bikemotorman you have been playing this method for a very long time and it has not fail or become due yet :)
Cheers LS
Here you can go into quote and copy and paste this numbers and show us how you play...
[numbers]
2 1 2
2 1 2
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 1 1
2 1 2
2 2 2
2 2 1
2 1 1
2 2 2
2 1 2
2 1 1
2 2 2
2 2 1
2 1 2
2 2 2
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 2
2 1 2
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 1
2 1 1
2 1 2
2 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 2
2 2 2
2 1 2
2 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 2 2
2 1 2
2 1 2
2 2 2
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 2
2 2 1
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 1
2 1 2
2 1 1
2 2 2
[/numbers]
Hi Lucky,
I hope you are well, you understand that I have messing with craps only.
I guess the 2 is for pass.
And the 1 is for dont pass is this correct.
Since with this method for craps I only wait for two triples.
PDP
PPP
P HERE I WOULD START PLAYING THE DONT PASS THEN THE PASS NO REVERSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
REMEMBER CRAPS ONLY, I GAVE UP ON ROULETTE A YEAR AGO LOL.
STUART ;D
Hi Folks,
Today I had 8 dont passes in a row, that is with the 2s 3s and 12s during the come out roll.
Of course I was not betting at the time I had to wait for my triples and my pass as the trigger to play.
PDP
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
PPP
D
D
D
P ---------------------------------------
I started playing on the pass that is my trigger to play, I dont reverse the results or anything like that.
I remember lucky said to wait for three triples but so far I just wait for two, I dont know if this is good or bad.
Stuart :o
Well just played some more take a look.
It seems the Dont pass dominated today.
D
PPDLW
D
D
D
D
D
PDDWW
D
PDDWW
D
D
D
D
D
PDDWW
D
D
PDDWL
PDDLL
PDPWW
PPDLL
D
PDPWL
D
D
D
PDPLW
PDD
D
PPP
DONE
Stuart :thumbsup:
:) bikemotorman send me an PM with your email...
Cheers LS
QuoteI remember lucky said to wait for three triples but so far I just wait for two, I dont know if this is good or bad.
I wrote this and its about random aginst random with one static rule.
You can pick any outcomes you want randomly, as long they all begin with the same if you divide them into 3.
Here is some random bet selections.
BBBBBPBBP
PBPPPBPPP
BBPBPPBBPBPB
PPBPBPPPBPBB
The static rule is that every sequense of 3 start with the same outcome.
BBB BBP BBP
PBP PPB PPP
BBP BPP BBP BPB
PPB PBP PPB PBB
No bet selection will be the same as the previos one, so you will never play with or against the same sequense twice.
You get reducing bets if you use every third to become an indicator to what to play with or against or you could just go for same / oppisite for all trails.
Here you have an illustration with an chart thats show you how to play with the flow.
You play once to hit an winning bet, this is just to illustrate the method.
This is a sequense of 18 trails with 6 steps of wagering.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg401.imageshack.us%2Fimg401%2F7650%2Frbs3ov6.gif&hash=b11794ae03f4c1994a2a3c8775d20ca7d19e7b3a)
Here you have an illustration with an chart thats show you how to play against the flow.
You play once to hit an winning bet, this is just to illustrate the method.
This is a sequense of 18 trails with 6 steps of wagering.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg255.imageshack.us%2Fimg255%2F3997%2Frbs4vs1.gif&hash=1b7e706e5c12744ade1fecbff80b37405ab4bf77)
Here you have an illustration with an chart thats show you how to play with the flow.
You play once to hit an winning bet, this is just to illustrate the method.
This is a sequense of 24 trails with 8 steps of wagering.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg401.imageshack.us%2Fimg401%2F5033%2Frbs1rc4.gif&hash=3dcdf1a8eb59ddba8a17aaf93b78c6d0eb6265d8)
Here you have an illustration with an chart thats show you how to play against the flow.
You play once to hit an winning bet, this is just to illustrate the method.
This is a sequense of 24 trails with 8 steps of wagering.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg262.imageshack.us%2Fimg262%2F9281%2Frbs2hy2.gif&hash=54a3303345e410b8ddb05de529166970075a577b)
Cheers Lucky Strike
Here you have 2 random bet selection with one static rule with 3 tripels.
[numbers]
1
2
2
2 2
1 1
1 1
2 2
1 1
1 1
2 2
2 2
2 2
1
1
2 2
2 2
1 1
2 2
1 1
1 1
2 2
2 2
1 1
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
Here you can see that you should aim for singels and series of two.
There is different ways to do that.
211211222
221211221
sosssssso
sos
sss
sso
221211221
212212222
soossosso
soo
sso
sso
[/numbers]
I guess the b is for dont pass and the p is for pass correct on your post.
D
D
D
D
PPP HERE I WOULD PLAY DD
D
D
D
PPD HERE I WOULD PLAY DP
P
SHOULD I PLAY THE REVERSE OF THE RESULTS.
NOW I HAVE MY SELECTIONS AND MY TRIGGER.
STUART
Here is your result regarding 3 tripels...
PDP
PPP
PPD
PDD
PDD
PDD
PDPPPPPPD
PDDPDDPDD
ssoooosos
sso
ooo
sos
PDD
PDD
PDP
PPD
PDP
PDP
PDDPDDPDP
PPDPDPPDP
sosssosss
sos
sso
sss
Well you do what you think is best bike.
But I think like this that I would not get a sequense of 18 trails where all of them are the same and I only place 6 bets.
Then I ask my self what is the probability to get two sequenses of 18 in a row that would produce the same and give us a total of 12 bets.
That would be the same thing as getting 3 series of 6 in a row "twice".
[colorsb]BBBBBBPPPPPPBBBBBBPPPPPPBBBBBBPPPPPP[/colorsb]
Its easy to make a code and run it and see how many times you will hit two sequenses of 18 with 3 x 6 in a row twice in a row in one billion trails.
There is an random element that change with the random flow every time you play and you have to win the lotteri of 1 million to lose 12 bets in a row.
The first progression should produce a profit or break even.
The secound progression should produce a break even point and exept a loss limit it the end.
Cheers LS
Well one thing is for sure i don't think there is any other way that give you so littel action in 8 hours.
WLWLWWWLWWLWW
[numbers]
2 1 2 2 1 2 2 2 1
2 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 1
SOS W
SSO
SOS
2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 1
2 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 2
SSO LW
SSS
SOO
2 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 1
2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
SSO LW
SSS
SSO
2 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 2
2 2 2 2 1 1 2 2 1
SOO W
SOO
SOO
2 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2
2 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 2
SOS W
SOS
SOS
2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 2
2 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 2
SSO LW
SSO
SOS
2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2
2 1 2 2 1 2 2 2 2
SOO W
SOS
SSS
2 2 2 2 1 1 2 2 2
2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 2
SSO LW
SOS
SSS
2 1 1 2 2 1 2 2 1
2 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 1
SSO W
SOS
SSS
[/numbers]
Cheers LS
Well I think I will elaborate and put some life to this thread.
I never succeed during testing getting so high hit ratio as when I test random against random - around 60 to 65 %
So I will see it I can remember and refresh my mind.
One thing that strike my mind is that static rule i apply - the only rule.
Will run some samples and continue.
Quote from: I have cookies on May 26, 2011, 04:49:29 AM
Well I think I will elaborate and put some life to this thread.
I never succeed during testing getting so high hit ratio as when I test random against random - around 60 to 65 %
So I will see it I can remember and refresh my mind.
One thing that strike my mind is that static rule I apply - the only rule.
Will run some samples and continue.
To illustrate this i want to use the gap from one pick of a random pick of 9 following the static rule.
That is the bet selection or state.
The random pick of 9 following the static rule has its own sismographic drawings - so we are going to look into the future and see how close or far away the same random pick appears - then the gap between does two is the sequence of winnings and loses - but not a total loss as you are with in the gap and pin point out winnings using skips.
Random against random with one static rule and with one random walk
Assume you track 100 trails from one table - then for the next future 100 you list them next to your previous 100 and play random against random using one random walk with or with out one static rule.
What is the options - are we going to play that the previous wont repeat - that would be obvious and then it would be like playing against one parameter that goes up and down - like a pendal.
I believe there is more advance ways as the outcomes clustering in certain ways.
Assume we would clustering our previous 100 into series of three with our future 100 - then each sequence will have both one opposite hit and same with a hit ratio around 7 in 8 possibility's.
The random walk even give the option and room for educated guess work to certain degree regarding both direction hitting with in three.
Some one could allways play opposite if a win then play same and win twice and if a loss win once with in three.
I will post some samples following different ways to apply one random walk using the previous 100.
One static rule can be using the pendal and apply that the previos 100 wont go oppisite for 100 or same for 100 - then we would have one simpel static rule to follow and still play random against random using our random walk.
Here is one sampel from today.
1
2
2
2
2
1
1
2
1
2
2
2
2
1
2
2
1
2
1
2
1
1
2
1
2
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
1
2
1
1
1
2
1
1
2
2
1
1 <<< 50 Around 50 trails
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
1
1
1
1
2
2
1
2
2
1
2
1
1
2
2
2
1
2
2
1
1
2
2
2
1
1
Random against random with one static rule and with one random walk
This sampel is using one march witch i mention above.
50 previos and 50 future ones with one static rule and one random walk.
WLWWWWLWLWWLWWLLWLLWLL
1 1
2 1 W
2 1
2 1
2 1 L
1 1 W
1 1
2 1 W
1 1
2 1
2 2 W
2 1
2 1
1 1 W
2 1
2 1
1 2 L
2 2 W
1 2
2 1 L
1 1 W
1 1
2 1 W
1 2
2 2
1 1 L
1 2 W
2 2
2 1 W
2 2
2 1
2 1 L
1 2 L
1 2
2 2 W
1 1
1 2
1 2 L
2 1 L
1 1
1 2 W
2 2
2 2
1 1 L
1 1 L
ended +2?