New system / testing required

[manistra]

Hi there !

I was very suprised when i discovered this forum, i was hanging for long time on some other places (for example The VIP lounge forum)
but this place suprised me with quality and fresh energy

Now I want to share with you my playing method
I hate to call it system as my personal opinion is that ALL SYSTEMS fail at the end
but playing METHOD for me incorporates some SKILLS with system and, more importatly, strict RULES which we apply when we
play systems in general. It means that we must pay huge amount of care for defining WIN and LOSS MARGINS, escape margins
and playing tactics in general. In my opinion these things are far more important than any system itself.

OK, now i can explain basics of my system which is very simple, but in my opinion also very effective.

I have tested it with RX and weisbaden spins, and still need to fine-tune it, and that is where and why i need feedback from you

we are playing these numbers

1,6,8,11,15,16, 21, 22, 26, 29, 31, 36 for 50 spins MAX with this strict rules:


Starting bankroll for each session = 300 units

(I know this is quite large sum for real betting but this is just for demo purposes)

There is no progression, we are putting 5 units on each number (60 units)

[1] We are counting how many times we failed to see number from this list. When we got 2 miss, than we start to bet on them
[2]We stop to bet after 2 wins and reset loss counter (we are starting to count losses from 0)
[3]We stop to bet imidiately if session profit is > 900
[4]We stop to bet imidiately if session bankroll < 450 and current spin (from beggining of session) > 25
[5]We stop to bet imidiately if current spin (from beggining of session) > 50
[6]After each session wait for at least 20 spins to begin new session

How to test it using RX ?

[1] Download rx if you dont have it
[2]Download real spins from Weisbaden casino, but divide it into tables (small files with cca 300-400 spins)
[3]Load my method
[4]Test it
[5]Give feedback here

system "beta"
{

}
method "main"
begin
While Starting a new Session
begin

copy list [number 1,number 6, number 8,
number 11,number 15,number 16, number 21,
number 22, number 26, number 29, number 31,
number 36] to record "Numbers" layout;

put 0 to  record "wincount" data;
put 0 to  record "losscount" data;
 put 0 to  record "count" data;
 put 0 to record "maxspinswithoutwin" data;
 put 0 to record "maxspinswithoutwinT" data;
end

Copy Last Number to the Record "last number" layout

add 1 to record "count" data;

If Record "last number" layout is found in Record "Numbers" Layout
begin
add 1 to record "wincount" data;
if  record "maxspinswithoutwinT" data > record "maxspinswithoutwin" data
       begin
        put 100% of record "maxspinswithoutwinT" data to record "maxspinswithoutwin" data;
        put 0 to record "maxspinswithoutwinT" data;
       end
       
 end


If Record "last number" layout is not found in Record "Numbers" Layout
begin
add 1 to record "losscount" data;
add 1 to record "maxspinswithoutwinT" data;

end

          if bankroll > 900 begin stop session end
          if bankroll < 0 begin stop session end
          if bankroll < 450 and record "count" data > 25 begin stop session end
          if record "count" data > 50 begin stop session end
         
if record "losscount" data > 2
begin
  put 5 units on record "Numbers" layout list;
end
if record "wincount" data > 2
begin
  put 0 to  record "wincount" data;
  put 0 to  record "losscount" data;
  put 0 units on record "Numbers" layout list;
end

end

[manistra]

Example from (good) session 24_9_2007 table 3

Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
0,',,,,,,300,
1,'0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,300,
2,'25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,300,
3,'8,Bet,60,180,-60,120,420,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
4,'23,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,360,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
5,'26,Bet,60,180,-60,120,480,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
6,'9,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,420,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
7,'8,Bet,60,180,-60,120,540,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
8,'10,No Bet,0,0,0,0,540,
9,'12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,540,
10,'4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,540,
11,'20,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,480,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
12,'4,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,420,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
13,'31,Bet,60,180,-60,120,540,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
14,'20,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,480,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
15,'0,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,420,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
16,'29,Bet,60,180,-60,120,540,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
17,'27,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,480,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
18,'33,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,420,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
19,'9,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,360,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
20,'29,Bet,60,180,-60,120,480,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
21,'3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,480,
22,'3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,480,
23,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,480,
24,'36,Bet,60,180,-60,120,600,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
25,'4,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,540,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
26,'0,Bet,60,0,-60,-60,480,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
27,'1,Bet,60,180,-60,120,600,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
28,'22,Bet,60,180,-60,120,720,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
29,'21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,720,
30,'28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,720,
31,'13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,720,
32,'6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,720,
33,'20,No Bet,0,0,0,0,720,
34,'8,Bet,60,180,-60,120,840,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36
35,'9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,840,
36,'23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,840,
37,'16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,840,
38,'15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,840,
39,'0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,840,
40,'8,Bet,60,180,-60,120,960,5 : 1,6,8,11,15,16,21,22,26,29,31,36

[Compa]

What a coincidence! Gamlet's Dozen!


Cheers
/Compa

[manistra]

Hi,

Sure this dozen is from him ! I had no intention to steal ideas.... maybe i had to put it straight from where are these numbers., sorry I ommited it unintentionally .. But I implemented these on my rules and tried to benefit from it. That is why this form of communicating is great: we are sharing ideas for same puporse - to get benefit from it,  dont you agree [smiley=rolleyes.gif]

[admin]

we are sharing ideas for same puporse - to get benefit from it

Yes sir, welcome to the crew and be certain we always love to know about everyones' Roulette ideas/systems.

By the way, I agree with you in that the way on faces a system and observing the cycles can be more important than the system itself.

Of course, you can't play without the criterion, because you use it as a guide.

I'm with you on that manistra!

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Regards,
Victor

[bobbybobby]

huh?  sorry that I am not familiar with Gamlet's dozen.

is there some magic in those 12 numbers?  



BobbyBobby

[cps10]

I would be interested in knowing why these as well.

[Jakkalsdraai]

Well if that is Gamlet's dozen, then he simply got it from Numeris's square of the sun. Its the cross in the square of the sun (diagonal numbers). They are called magic numbers. And they do seem to hit alot.

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[Proofreaders2000]

I don't understand.  The probability of any number hitting is 1/37 per spin.  What's so special about any particular set of 12 numbers.  Where is the roulette physics in this approach?

[Clothdog]

You could randomly put those 36 numbers in any squares and get the same result.  Some runs of numbers it will look good others it will fail miserably.  So I'll make up my own square.
cd

[Gavioli]

I don't understand.  The probability of any number hitting is 1/37 per spin.  What's so special about any particular set of 12 numbers.  Where is the roulette physics in this approach?

They dont hitting no more then others. With these numbers you can read all other numbers if you know how they are connected with figures end ends and they open all doors to winning roulette. The construction of the square represant figure 6. 105.96.87.69.60.51.42.33.24.14.6. (111-105=6, 111-96=15=1+5=6, 111-87=24=2+4=6.......)

Cheers

[ryan08]

its a nice idea mate, im just curious as to why you would wait only 20 spins to start a new session? maybe waiting for a loss would be a better entry point

[rjl]

Square of the sun is not original from Numeris, it is an ancient figure.

You can see other info about this one in here:

nolinks://jesus8880.com/chapters/gematria/666-magic-square.htm


Cheers,

Rjl

[Boo_Ray]

I think people are mistaken that some numbers have diferent values then others.. If you look at the wheel, what is the diference between number 8 and 23.. Well, 8 is black and it is number 8, and 23 is red and number 23.. But erase the color and number and what do you get? pocket.. and there is no diference.. so if roulete would have numbers from 0-32-15......26 aranged like 0-1-2-3....36.. there would be someting to the number.. But numerology doesnt have any effect on roulette.. In numerology every number is connected, but you can't predict it.. if you do you just got lucky.. Roulette will remain round and it will have pockets "Square of the sun" will remain square and it will have numbers.. I have seen alot of people study that thing.. but so far I havent seen that someone would succeed.. And I can still see that people who studied wheel as a physical device.. They still succed

[Jakkalsdraai]

  RJL,

Yes it's called the ancient square of the sun. And yes Numeris didn't invent it. What I meant is that she seems to be the person that first used it in roulette.

@ Gavioli,

Seems to me you know alot about the square. Maybe you can teach me and others who are truly interested.

Even if you don't know the square perfectly I need some new view on the square.

Cheers mate
Jakk 

[Jakkalsdraai]

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