hi again my friends!
I am trying to help u here!
some ppl seem to be helped and I am really proud for them!
I like that Ikarianman who is from the same country like me opened his eyes...............
Greek ppl always were smart......
so Lets again explore this wonderfull game of ROULETTE!
Roulette is a mechanism!
its a bowl with a rotor that spins a ball and hit in the traveling rotor!
so Roulette doesn t have nums....it has only pockets,that are numbered with nums......
so she is complitely Random and complitely without any Memoriy!
These 2 things make her unbeatable with any math or possibilities system!
any time a system wins is just by luck!
the more times we will chase some numbers the more easy will be to hit them
the more numbers we bet the easyier we will win!!! and all these are by luck!
that is why its called for 400 years a Lucky game!
that s why casinos have it there 400 years.......and win sooooooo much cash!
even a poor brain man can understand this and not couse I saw so...but couse no system have won her in the long term EVER......
the people that say that randomless is a good thing...they just haven t play roulette or they are withought brain or are scams!
The VLS forum is the best Forum of roulette in the World.....
and this is why there are a lot of perfect systems makers(inventers),perfect testers,perfect perfect perfect!!!!!!!
and 1 of the best part is that all have the hunger to win this game!!!!
all of us we combine a better brain than the Einstain......
couse 500 brains are better than 1!!!!!
so u have seen till now 400 years that no system is a long tern winner.....
when will u understand Huh?Huh??
this game is a lucky game like all the others!
but couse u can do combinations-progrations etc....some people think that they can find a system that wins!!!!!
but all the time the same paterrn again!!!!!
win 1 lose 2
or win 100 lose200......in the long term I meen!!!
the casinos are looking our effort and lauph!!!!!!!!
when will u undersand this.............
the casino edje 2.75 can t change with maths....couse maths says that 2,75 is the favour to Casino!!!!!
so every time we are trying to make a new system everytime we have this opponent------player<Roulette the deference is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS 2.75!!!!!!!!!
its is exactly like trieng to do this:
we all know that 1+1 = 2 what ever u do...even pull ur penis very hard...even if u hit ur ass very hard ...even if u cut ur leg......even if u are an alien.....
this will NEVER change!!!!!!
so we are trying to make the 1+1=anythinh else exept 2........
the sooner u will understand it...the sooner u will not lose more time and more money!!!!!!
I did this again to help u.....
I hope 2-3 more ppl will open thair eyes
the others are just doomed........
ur friend viper
ps.Remember that these are the words that are coming from a man that wanted to beet the roulette more than anyone!!!!!!
Viper5 you don't want every one to use a dominant ball drop.
Keep a low profile.
LS
you could also say that there have been thousands of posts at GG and here and other forums and apparently no one has come up with a winning system, so why should we have any expectation that anyone will? We shouldn't, not after 0.0 percent of the thousands of posts have come up with the answer. They say that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and getting the same results. and for sure that goes on here, and in our own studies. unfortunately. Perhaps we are all insane?? Perhaps we should all just... go home...
QuotePerhaps we should all just... go home...
No stay and keep up the good work.
Let me know when you have found an edge.
Many thanks LS
perhaps someone should just write a book called "Confessions of a Roulette Systems Addict" and you could sell the book and make some money. You can talk about how much time it takes up and how it interrupts other things and how you can't stop thinking about how you will beat the game and how you lose sleep and hide it from your wife, etc, etc. But then you don't have to write the book, all anyone has to do is print out all these thousands of pages of posts, it's all here.....
People do have winning systems or methods that don't involve VB, DS or bias. Only they don't want to explain them to the public and why should they...these things don't drop out of the sky, they take hard work to accomplish. Also, some methods can't be explained. If the skilled commander's thoughts were easily understandable, then every lowly infantryman would be a great general.
Quoteperhaps someone should just write a book called "Confessions of a Roulette Systems Addict" and you could sell the book and make some money. You can talk about how much time it takes up and how it interrupts other things and how you can't stop thinking about how you will beat the game and how you lose sleep and hide it from your wife, etc, etc. But then you don't have to write the book, all anyone has to do is print out all these thousands of pages of posts, it's all here.....
QuotePeople do have winning systems or methods that don't involve VB, DS or bias. Only they don't want to explain them to the public and why should they...these things don't drop out of the sky, they take hard work to accomplish. Also, some methods can't be explained. If the skilled commander's thoughts were easily understandable, then every lowly infantryman would be a great general.
I just hope that we will see less of posters that just claims to have that and that with out showing how.
I have been talking to members on this forum and I am not the one ho should take away there dream.
To many wants to pay there bills with roulette money and not work 8 to 5.
It hurts and ho am I to argue or claim any thing.
I just wont to save them from getting hurt and lose less money.
How do I do that?
I say no.
Yes I know I cant force them into what I think is correct but I will let you know here and now what I think.
First I want them to know that they should take care of there relations with family, kids and friends, then I want to tell them that they last for a life time.
Then I want them to know that roulette can be a hobby for a life time.
This way you can find peace and become a happy winner at all times even if you not go home with a profit.
Cheers LS
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Cheers LS
Let me open your eyes to the fact that I have developed various versions of an EC system that identifies Red and Black by the use
of symbols and they have made a consistent profit over a number of years. I have mentioned a version called the Signum system in
the Mr Chips section.
Also I tested here the 4Selecta system that made a profit over a number of months with verifiable Spielbank spins and anyone is at
liberty to produce evidence of it failing over several months, but no one has produced that so far!
Wasn't it the ancient Greeks who were smart? ;)
Mr Chips
hi Viper, maybe you are just unlucky. Gamblers need a third each of skill, discipline and luck. Missing in one of these constants results in cataclysmic catastrophe.
QuoteI just hope that we will see less of posters that just claims to have that and that with out showing how.
See what happens and don't say that i did not told you so :rtfm:
Cheers LS
QuoteI just hope that we will see less of posters that just claims to have that and that with out showing how.
I have been talking to members on this forum and I am not the one ho should take away there dream.
To many wants to pay there bills with roulette money and not work 8 to 5.
It hurts and ho am I to argue or claim any thing.
I just wont to save them from getting hurt and lose less money.
How do I do that?
I say no.
Yes I know I cant force them into what I think is correct but I will let you know here and now what I think.
First I want them to know that they should take care of there relations with family, kids and friends, then I want to tell them that they last for a life time.
Then I want them to know that roulette can be a hobby for a life time.
This way you can find peace and become a happy winner at all times even if you not go home with a profit.
You just woundering if you could put and end to a never ending story :agree:
LS
QuoteLet me open your eyes to the fact that I have developed various versions of an EC system that identifies Red and Black by the use
of symbols and they have made a consistent profit over a number of years. I have mentioned a version called the Signum system in
the Mr Chips section.
Also I tested here the 4Selecta system that made a profit over a number of months with verifiable Spielbank spins and anyone is at
liberty to produce evidence of it failing over several months, but no one has produced that so far!
.... are either of these systems explained anywhere? (or just discussed theoretically like endless psycho-babble)
@mr chips
yes the ancient Greeks was smart...and the new greeks have their blood and dna so we are smart too!!!!
@ls
i didn t tell them what to do in order to win....i just tell them the maths can t do it so......
@ulises
i haven t miss anything!!!!
the randomness is the one that keeps u lose
The mistake is in thinking that there is one relatively simple system which will win forever and a day. I can understand the appeal of this idea, but sooner or later you have to abandon it if you actually want to make a profit. I can't tell you exactly what I do, not because it isn't possible to explain it, or because I'm scared the casinos will change the rules (which I think is ridiculous paranoia), but because (as N6 mentioned) it would be very difficult and take too long. Also, you need to apply your own intelligence and make your own mistakes, from which you learn. In the same way that you can't spoon-feed someone a college education; they have to do the necessary work and gain understanding for themselves, it isn't possible to give someone a few rules and expect them to become instant masters. But the essence of the strategy could be summed up with basic probability theory:
Suppose there are systems a, b, c... each with probability of success Pa, Pb, Pc...
You need to find systems such that these probabilities are a large as possible, without breaking the bank! My preference is for systems which operate near a "tipping point". That usually means I play some bet selection immediately after it has suffered a catastrophic loss, but only for a strictly limited number of spins.
Then the probability of failure of any of them is (1-Pa), (1-Pb), (1-Pc)... So these probabilities will be very small, assuming Pa etc are large.
In any session, play the systems a, b, c... not in any fixed order or sequence, but as and when they are "appropriate" (experience helps here).
Then, your probability of failure will be (1-Pa)*(1-Pb)*(1-Pc)...
Which, if you have put in the hours of research and preparation, will be a very small number indeed. :)
Note that I'm not saying that this is a formula for the holy grail. Any combination of negative expectation bets has a negative expectation. There's no avoiding the house edge. Nevertheless this needn't be the overriding principle. I just wanted to try to express my strategy (which is also the strategy of any consistent winner) in terms of basic probability, so that no-one thinks there's some quackery at the heart of it. ::)
There are other principles that are important too. Among them being; keep the number of bets as low as possible, always play the lowest edge game in the house, and don't chase losses! :skull: (a mild positive progression is ok though). Just common sense really. :D
Also,
Keep learning - don't get complacent. ;)
One final point, if you're using physics based methods (or playing biased wheels) none of the above applies. It's a whole different ball-game. :biggrin:
Number 6 made an important point in one of his posts a while back in saying that using one system will never work. I totally agree with that. You must have the ability to change when the pattern changes. You must be able to employ certain systems that fit with what is happening at the time. If there are a lot of repeaters, employ a repeater system. If there are a lot of unhits, employ an unhit number system. The ultimate problem is that nobody has a crystal ball and can predict what the wheel will start doing. Many systems are profitable short term because they are based on an event happening that at the time they are profitable is happening. Then they tank? Why? They tank because the event they were designed to exploit does not happen for many spins.
N6, you make many good points in your many sensible posts, but, just to play the devil's advocate, did it ever occur to you that you may be deluding yourself as well, when you speak of playing with skill and "intuition"-- do you really think you can use intuition against a piece of wood and metal? Do you think it will matter if the wheel is stopped for an hour or a day or a week and then you continue playing, with skill or intuition or some kind of change of plan?
And apparently Mr. Chips EC system, Signum system, and 4Selecta system are just mysterious systems, never explained but only referred to in vague terms, like so much theoretical psycho-babble and pointless diatribes...
I grow weary of this... someone pass me a drink and a smoke... does anyone have a light? Just kidding I quit smoking. But this devil's wheel and all these systems and constant tweakin is like to drive me to drinkin...
I think it is a scientific and proven fact that a system will not beat the house edge and odds of roulette. However, systems can help a person win because they present a logical approach at betting and money management. I thought it helpful to present the word "system" as defined in Webster's New World Dictionary in order to give you a better idea of what a system really is and does.
System-1. a set or arrangement of things related so as to form a whole 2. a set of facts, rules, etc. arranged to show a logical plan linking them 3. a method or plan 4. an established, orderly way of doing something 5. the body, or a number of bodily organs, functioning as a unit
As you might now see, a number of roulette "systems" don't really fit the definition of "systems" at all.
Quote from: simon on May 16, 2009, 03:03:28 PM
And apparently Mr. Chips EC system, Signum system, and 4Selecta system are just mysterious systems, never explained but only referred to in vague terms, like so much theoretical psycho-babble and pointless diatribes...
I grow weary of this... someone pass me a drink and a smoke... does anyone have a light? Just kidding I quit smoking. But this devil's wheel and all these systems and constant tweakin is like to drive me to drinkin...
4Selecta was explained in detail and there is nothing mysterious about it,you just have to put some effort and work into understanding it and then go through a number of practice sessions. Very few people can be bothered to do that, as they want everything on a plate.
Does it ever occur to you that people who devise such systems, spend months and even years working it all out and don't just sit back and say "I grow weary of this"
Mr Chips
Quote4Selecta was explained in detail
Not true. I have asked what it is to those who knew it and no one was ever able to answer me properly. We certainly don't have the same definition of the word detail. The system was explained superficially. This is different. Certain rules were unclear.
Quote from: Arteinvivo on May 16, 2009, 05:39:24 PM
Not true. I have asked what it is to those who knew it and no one was ever able to answer me properly. We certainly don't have the same definition of the word detail. The system was explained superficially. This is different. Certain rules were unclear.
4selecta was explained in enough detail for myself and I think Sam to make winnings with it.
Questions could have been asked cos mr Chips was willing to answer any.
TSK
I apologize, I could not find this system from the search box, when I typed it in all I got was "(No results found)" but I found it so I don't know if it's fully explained but I see there is a lot there I can read about it, my bad.
Arteinvivo,
On this occasion you are not correct. The first person I explained the system to was TwoCatSam and I went over it in minute detail and
he asked me a number of questions until he understood it. This can be seen throughout the thread.
TSK is correct when he says that I am prepared to answer questions about it, but I do expect some effort to be made to understand the system,
which is spelled out in the thread and understood by those people prepared to put themselves out to understand it.
I am still getting emails asking me about certain aspects of the system and I have just recently sent a detailed reply to someone in France.
Actually on the subject of emails I did send you one recently about another subject and if you can reply to it I would be most grateful.
Mr Chips
Mr. Chips,
The big problem is that you didn't test very many spins.
Quote from: Herb on May 16, 2009, 06:22:41 PM
Mr. Chips,
The big problem is that you didn't test very many spins.
When I test a system it is a realistic test. It made a profit every month and I
tested it in a number of casino's both at the Tables and machines, so I am quite
satisfied it works and will make a profit in the long term.
I am not interested in unrealistic 1 billion spin testing. The ultimate test is at the casino's.
Mr Chips
Still, you haven't tested very many spins. You're system will work until it doesn't.
Regards,
Herb
Quote from: Herb on May 16, 2009, 06:44:08 PM
Still, you haven't test very many spins. You're system will work until it doesn't.
Regards,
Herb
Come back in 20 years and it will still be making a profit :biggrin:
well you always have a good response n6, I'll give you that much.
Mr. Chips,
You simply don't know what you don't know. :)
Best of Luck,
Herb
Mr. Chips I see there IS quite a lot of work and detail explained in the 4Selecta system thread so I apologize for saying you are just talking theoreticals, etc, in your threads.
....... and, uh, it looks hard...