@Herb

[GARNabby]

Hi Herb,

I was going to post this under your latest reply (about seeking actual biases instead of numerical ones) in this forum but (not to my surprise) another locked thread for the "board of directors here to justify their keep".

My question to you, have you been able to first determine that roulette is beatable, regardless of the possible approaches one way or the other then?

[Herb]

The random game of roulette is not beatable.

However, you can beat the combination of the dealer and the gaming device.  Meaning: You can play at the live tables and possibly win in the long run.

[GogoCro]

Herb, prove it.

[Herb]

The general principles apply to almost all gambling games, and when they apply, they guarantee that systems cannot give the player an advantage.

To help you filter and reject systems, here are conditions which guarantee that a system is worthless.

1. Each individual bet in the game has a negative expectation.  This makes any series of bets have a negative expectation.
2. There is a maximum limit to the size of any possible game. (This rules out systems like the Martingale and up as you lose.)
3. The results of any one play of the game do not "influence" the results of any other play of the game.
(Note that we are talking about the "game of roulette", not the "gaming device."
4. There is a minimum allowed size for any bet. (This is necessary for the technical steps in the mathematical proof.)

Under these conditions, it is a mathematical fact that every possible gambling system is worthless in the following ways:

1. Any series of bets has a negative expectation
2. This expectation is the (negative) sum of the expectations of the individual bets.
3. If the player continues to bet, his total loss divided by his total action will tend to get closer and closer to his expected loss divided by his total action.
4. If the player continues to bet it is almost certain that he will:
   a. be a loser
   b. eventually stay a loser forever, and so never again break even;
   c. eventually lose his entire bankroll, no matter how large it was.

 -Please note the source "The Mathematics of Gambling", by Dr. Edward O. Thorp.


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Prove that you can win using VB or bias

1. The gaming device is subject to wear.
2. This causes an uneven distribution of the numbers to occur in the long run.
3. Bets are allowed after the ball is spun, consequently the player can observe the position of the decaying ball in relation to the rotor in order to accurately predict where the ball is most likely to strike the spinning rotor.  These predictions are enough to overcome the house edge.
4. Since the house edge can be overcome and the player can gain the edge, it remains possible for the player to win over the long run.
5. There are several documented cases of such plays and players that have won using AP methods.

   a. Joseph Jaggars
   b. Dr. Jareki
   c. Billy Walters
   d. Garcia Pelayo
   e. Christian Kaisan
   f. several others not mentioned.

-Herb

[GogoCro]

This is not prove, only unproven theory.

3. Bets are allowed after the ball is spun, consequently the player can observe the position of the decaying ball in relation to the rotor in order to accurately predict where the ball is most likely to strike the spinning rotor.  These predictions are enough to overcome the house edge.

[Herb]

The documented cases are enough to validate my statements.

[Herb]

I suppose I should cite one more source:  rouletteresearch.com  "Evolution of the Roulette Wheel".

George Melas is the cheif  design engineer for T.C.S. Huxley and specifically mentions the reasons for improvements on certain wheels designs.   Number one reason was that the wheels were at risk from visual ballistic and other AP players.



-Herb

[GogoCro]

I am not saying that this method is not working.

But what you are saying is statemants, not prove.
There is to much variable to human mind can analyze and comprehend, so this method is beyond sciense
- in middle.
Searching for wear or unbiased wheel can be called cheating, like counting cards.

Gogo

[Herb]

On the contrary, searching for biased wheels and playing some form of visual ballistics is not considered cheating.

Furthermore the casinos will provide you with pen and paper on which to record the numbers.



Contrary to some people's believe around here, using your brain is not considered cheating.

[GogoCro]

You use your brain when count cards.
Same thing.

Gogo

[Herb]

Are you saying that you don't use your brain when you play a system at roulette?

Also, it's not illegal to count cards.  It is also not considered cheating.  BJ is considered a game of skill.

-Herb

[GogoCro]

Maybe in your casino is allowed but in mine is not, so we have diffrence in opinion on that.
Statemant are statemants, prove is prove. Very simple.

Gogo

[berlinerbruce]

You use your brain when count cards.
Same thing.

Gogo

ok so you accept it does work then?

BTW MATE HAVE A LOOKAT THIS    nolinks://vlsroulette.com/the-dark-side/under-cover-for-the-darkside/msg72755/#msg72755

IVE ALSO TOOK SOME SHORT VIDEO FOOTAGE OF THE WHEEL ,it only turned bias on about 1800 spin  thats acording to the casino industry,,try to run them through RX and put a few chips on number 19 hey 34 6 aint to bad too

btw i know a lad here where i live and some of the casino staff no what hees doing as long as he dont go over board there fine with him,,in the glossay flyer the give away at the casino sates this,,,(loosly translated),, the idea of the game of roulette is as follows The player tries to predict where the ball will land ...

the rotor must always no slower than 12 pockets per second this is governed by the state

so in reflection,, cheating in the oxford dictionary states something like this,,,,,,cheating,,,by to break the rules in for eg,a game of chance to gain an unfair advantage,,,,,,so i guess you could be right

if you like to call it cheating well fine thats your opinion and your entilted to it so by that admission are you agreing that by useing the art of VB actually works and gives in the long term an positive advatage to the player??

Ok i hope i cleared a few things up for you

oh ps.im not the sharpest toll in the shed herby boy will tell you that,but,,,,,,,,with a pen and writing down every number that comes up has turned the house edge (for that period ) to over 20 % in my favour,you see im not cheating its a hot number system that herb gave me

ok cya

[Bo0Merang]

what  ever  it is VB+any other...skils can be great just  took  some  money  from  wheels thats all if  it s work even if is  hard to learn kommon thinks you can  gain pretty good money from  the wheel im  a hell  sure....person need to have some talent  and like it  game  thats all it is  not cost just pure thinks it cost hard vork before come back.. you know  when you  start  see thinks from  diferent angles you will  ask  your self like me why i didnt see this before??? how is that possible??? wht hell

[Herb]

@Grogo,

When you play, do you use your brain?

[Herb]

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