*The Cauldron*

[jrhelp007]

You wrote:"Next scenario.

First 10 numbers out:
3
28
20
21
2
23
17
0
36
11

Next 4 numbers out:
12
15
23
23

This next example results in a loss.

After set up the first number out is #12 signaling a bet on group 1.

Bet 1 unit each on 32,4,6,30,5,33,31,18,12. = -9 units.

Next number out is #15. Group 1 lost signaling a bet on groups 1&2.

Bet 1 unit each on 32,4,6,30,5,33,31,18,12 &  15,25,27,8,24,1,9,29,35. = -18 units.

Next number out is #23. Groups 1&2 lost signaling a bet on group 3.

Bet 1 unit each on 19,34,13,10,16,14,22,7,26. = -9 units.

Next number out is #23. Group 3 lost.
Return = 0 units / 36 – 0 = -36 units.

First attachment shows how I mark the game.

In the centre above the line you can see groups 1,2 hit once, and group 10 hit twice.
Below the line on the left shows the 3 first groups hit, on the right shows what groups were bet, and the results.

Second attachment shows the card set up for the next bet with the last 10 numbers marked, etc. You can see numbers 3,28 have been dropped, and numbers 12,15 added to the 10 number group, also changing the arrangement of the other groups for the next game.

Number 23 according to your attached card belong to group 10 and not 3 is that correct?

[stumbledluck]

Your ideas and method r very informative and pretty simplistic once you do a couple times.  Thank you for the info and i will apply in theory to multiple number cards, saved. .  I  will respond on this later if u dont mind any constructive criticism or prefferably big props.  Either way thanks for your effort and Merry xmas to u and yours. . 

[bombus]

You wrote:"Next scenario.

First 10 numbers out:
3
28
20
21
2
23
17
0
36
11

Next 4 numbers out:
12
15
23
23

This next example results in a loss.

After set up the first number out is #12 signaling a bet on group 1.

Bet 1 unit each on 32,4,6,30,5,33,31,18,12. = -9 units.

Next number out is #15. Group 1 lost signaling a bet on groups 1&2.

Bet 1 unit each on 32,4,6,30,5,33,31,18,12 &  15,25,27,8,24,1,9,29,35. = -18 units.

Next number out is #23. Groups 1&2 lost signaling a bet on group 3.

Bet 1 unit each on 19,34,13,10,16,14,22,7,26. = -9 units.

Next number out is #23. Group 3 lost.
Return = 0 units / 36 – 0 = -36 units.

First attachment shows how I mark the game.

In the centre above the line you can see groups 1,2 hit once, and group 10 hit twice.
Below the line on the left shows the 3 first groups hit, on the right shows what groups were bet, and the results.

Second attachment shows the card set up for the next bet with the last 10 numbers marked, etc. You can see numbers 3,28 have been dropped, and numbers 12,15 added to the 10 number group, also changing the arrangement of the other groups for the next game.

Number 23 according to your attached card belong to group 10 and not 3 is that correct?

That's right. The third and final bet of each round is always on the group that has yet to hit. So in this example the first group hit is 1, first bet on group 1, the second group hit is 2, second bet on groups 1&2, the third group hit is 10, at this point only group 3 has not hit so the third and final bet is group 3. Start new round.


Cheers.

[bombus]

Bombus, some wrote to you a request and I'm repeating his request.

"hi ya bombus, could u show an example of how the 1-2-1-2 progression is incorporated please? DOnt really understand it.

Cheers
hamsup"

Can you go over a scenario as requested above showing your progression method after losing 3 bet stage and the last remaining group as well. I assume now you're invoking the progression of 2 units per number? please show an example:

Thanks and "HAPPY HOLIDAYS"

John

Hi John.

I'm a bit busy with Xmas, etc. As soon as I can I will post something.

If the game is fast I'll flat bet because it means less time needed to bet. If the game is slow I'll use the progression because it means more time needed to bet. It also doesn't really matter if you switch from one to the other during a session.

Cheers.

[jrhelp007]

Thank you for your prompt reply.

:HAPPY HOLIDAY"

John

[insidebet]

Happy Xmas everyone!!!!

Just curious.  Has anyone tested this method yet?  Seems to me like I am the only one doing it.  I played it for real four times.  Up about 160 units with around 250 spins.  Not bad.  I tested it also from Hamburgh spins.  Up and down.  Huge swings.   Only up around 100 units after some 700 spins.

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[schoenpoetser]

Insidebet what do you expect from testing the CAULDRON.It is a system no more no less.The result is predictable.Hit and run,take the profit.Wait for Bombus ,who will prove the CAULDRON give a profit on the long term.Stay testing on a free roulette and have fun.

[jrhelp007]

In terms of Money management is concerned, look back at page#2 first post entry which explained some of his results.

Gambling requires from you 4 things:

1. Knowledge of the game, in this case this system

2. Money management - knowing when to leave the table. Particular when you are up!!!

3. Bankroll - I've seen many gamblers walking to a land Casino $10 Roulette table with $100. As stated this system requires at least 500 units to start.

4. Discipline - knowing when to "WALK AWAY" from the table even if you're down.

"HAPPY HOLIDAYS"

John

[insidebet]

Schoenpoester,

I don't know about you but when someone I have every reason to trust tells me that he has played or tested 20000 spins, flatbetting an average of 9 units per spin, and came up quite a bit ahead,  well, yes I am interested.

Perhaps you prefer 139 steps progressions so-called systems?

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[insidebet]

Jrhelp007,

This Maoney Management of yours is pure hogwash.   If you have a winning method, the longer you play the more money you win.  What is complicated about that?  The reverse is also true, of course. 

The whole argument of ''get ahead and leave the casino'' is so childish....

What if you have a little loss, should you also leave???  If that is the case, you might as well not go at all!

The whole ''hit and run approach'' is absurd.

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[hermes]

Thanks for the system and Merry Christmas and happy, healthy and creative New Year 2011 to all forever young members.
And some Holy Schmoly on top of it...
Hermes

[schoenpoetser]

@insidebet: I have read reply 31 from Bombus.It is not said but i suppose the 20000 spins were on a real roulette.He did not tell us the profit of this 20000 spins.In my housecasino they spin about 40 times per hour.20000 spins will take about 500 hours.Play 3 ours a day ,you have to play 166 days. It is therefor I have my doubts. A test of 20000 spins is in my opinion only to do with a softwareprogram.
The cauldron of Bombus is very difficult to program.
If it is programmed then you can have made very easy graphics.
I judge a test of a system on the total betting and the payout. The ratio gm is the EV of the sample.

100%x( payout-totalbets)/totalbets shows in a graphic a waveline around -2,7%

In a test of 20k there will be points with a profit and a lost.

[schoenpoetser]

@Jrhelp007:There are three diffrent manners of Hit and Run.
1 Visit the casino and leaf after a HIT.
2 Bet on a table and leaf the table after a HIT.
3 bet on a chance and stop after a HIT and wait on an other op pertunity

[insidebet]

Schoepoeste,
As far as I can tell, Bombus has been playing/testing the Cauldron for quite a while.  Testing manually can be quite fast.  I have done 700 spins in afew hours..  So 20 000 spins is quite possible...

From what I gather, the EV for Cauldron should be around 5%.  Not gret, but still ptofitable.  I get to this figure with a .5 profit/spin.  From what Bombus write I suppose he makes an average of 100 units profit per 200 spins played/tested.

Your hit and run theory does not make sense.  I hear that every single day I go to my local casino.  Let me ask you a very simple question:  What gives you the assurance that you will be in profit at any point?  If you are not in profit, are you supposed to also leave the casino?  You see, this does'nt not change in any way the -2,7%.  Basically it comes down to  the same thing.  Let us supposed you would be satisfied with a 1 unit profit.  You decide to bet Red.  If you win, you leave the casino with a 1 unit profit.  If you lose, you also leave with 1 unit loss. Right?  What is you EV for that one spin?  Yes that is right, -2,7%.   It does not matter if you play one, ten or a thousand spins.  The EV is always -2,7% if your method is flawed.   But you know that already, right?

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[jrhelp007]

Insidebet,

With all the respect,  you are naive and attempt to convince yourself and others that this system is an "HOLY GRAIL".

This system can lead you and others to losses as well. Because in roulette you have conditions of repeated number and above and beyond the "SLEEPER" condition!!!

I've seen some sleepers running between 20 to 40 spins. In times one of the sleeper area number appeared and then it resumes its condition for another 20 to 40 times. I'm stating the worse case scenario.

In this system you may have a condition where group-1 has a loss, group-2 has a loss. You spin and get a group 3 number and now you bet on the missing group which group-10 the marked last 10 numbers. So now you bet on group-10. Next number comes in is from one of the other groups or a repeated number from group-3! You're down between 27to worse case scenario 29 unit.

You continue to play and "eventually" meaning, it will fluctuate on the number of spins. You may go deeper in the loss as I did in testing the concept although I had some winning session. Or, recover and be up a few units.

Overall the founder of the system is a nice person and want to share the system with all. He even went further to modify the concept and introduce combination of betting.

Running this system, requires:

1. A large BANKROLL.

2. Progressive bets starting in the round which has been described above.

"HAPPY HOLIDAY"

John
 

[jrhelp007]

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