For those that don't think 911 was an inside job, see:
9/11/2001 "Kite, hit, steel, plane, MUST" (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=Gllsgu1HoFA#)
This was right when the planes hit the towers. Note what the kids say.. Coincidence?
The more you learn, the more you'll see they are shoving it in our faces and laughing at us. They tell us what they are going to do. They know most people have no idea of the symbols and meanings behind things. They see us as so dumb and blind, that they can afford to show us and still get away with it. And for majority of people, they are right.
You or may not know, the goat is a satanic symbol. The whole concept of a "pet goat" is a tamed and controlled animal, which is what they consider us to be. DONT FORGET, THE KIDS WERE READING THE BOOK CALLED "MY PET GOAT". Can it be any more obvious??
Take a look at this controversial video full of symbols and hidden meanings:
"I Pet Goat II" By Heliofant (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=FYhg6gZtS1A#ws)
Many people have analyzed the video, but I believe the most accurate is below. I personally agree with about 90% of it:
I, Pet Goat II Prophecy Analysis/ America's fate foretold (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=C8eSdAlz2qU#ws)
Make whatever you want from all this. The most important thing to be aware of is the "false prophet". That is the Jesus figure in the video. He will fool many.
Many people who have been following progress of the NWO for a long time will tell you:
There is no doubt this is happening. You are blind to not see it. It is not some "conspiracy theory". This is real. Truth stranger than fiction, certainly.
The negative things happening around the world, from bombings to wars, financial collapses and all . . . it is by design. It is intentional, with the goals of:
1. Bringing the world to its knees, so that it will desperately seek a solution.
.... and
2. that's when the NWO will be presented to us, as the ultimate solution. One world government, and who knows what else. It will appear like the best thing ever. If it leads to one world government, and microchipping, that's it.
While some people may think I'm off my rocker, I have zero care factor. Its real. You can be well informed by Alex Jones at nolinks.infowars.com (nolinks://nolinks.infowars.com) but with the deception happening, you don't know who to trust except yourself and knowing who you are.
For every moment, be aware they are trying to mislead you.
They know people are waking up and its inevitable. And they will take advantage of it. They know eventually people will "uprise" against these apparently corrupt politicians. They are counting on it. Because it will give them the green light to usher in the New World Order that will be presented to us as the solution to all our problems. Remember, they created the problems specifically so they can implement the NWO plan. This is the real deception. They WANT us to up-rise against "corrupt politicians".
Educate yourself and others. Look into it all. Keep your eyes open. Its everywhere.
Another conspiracy lunatic.
Give us a friggin break.
And no, I am not a blind idiot.
There are tens of thousands of people in the world whose job is to find <<secrets>> and <<conspiracy>> and corruptions. And several of these people are much better tooled than you and me to do this. And yet, all they can come up with is gossip and never any cold hard proof.
If 9/11 was an inside job, as you put it, do you have any idea how many people had to be involved? And none of these people ever opened their trap? Even for a gazillion ammount of $?
I think you ve been watching the wheel too much. A little spin in the head, me thinks.
Insider
Insidebet, I'm sorry. You really have no idea and I dont care to argue with you. You are responsible for yourself.
.. or maybe just this once I'll explain something and you can argue back, but I wont waste more time
QuoteAnd no, I am not a blind idiot.
I dont mean to offend you, but I'm sorry, actually you are. It is never easy to accept that everything you thought was reality is incredibly backwards. It can take a lifetime to change a view, if it ever changes at all. Who knows why. Maybe some people feel threatened by the fact that they will of course be wrong from time to time.
Just remember that people that now see, once thought as you do now. And now they wonder how on earth they could have been so blind. I was there too, in my simple world believing what I was told.
When you were 5, you thought you knew the world. When you were 10, you realized you had no clue, but then thought you had a great idea. And when you were 18, you repeated the process. Have some foresight. We all will keep learning. But not with your attitude because you judge without educating yourself, and base opinions on sources like CNN and secondhand opinions. No responsibility for yourself, thinking you have a handle on it all. You are the typical goat.
QuoteThere are tens of thousands of people in the world whose job is to find <<secrets>> and <<conspiracy>> and corruptions
Do you mean the 911 commission? Hmm. Do you dob yourself in for crimes?
Sure many people have "theories". Sure many people get parts wrong. Do your own research and stop watching CNN or Fox News, and educate yourself instead of being spoon fed lies.
QuoteAnd yet, all they can come up with is gossip and never any cold hard proof.
If you're not aware of proof everywhere, then educate yourself without using CNN or Fox News. I could waste days educating you, and in the end you'll shrug your shoulders. You are responsibe for yourself, and what happens to you is your own doing.
Quotedo you have any idea how many people had to be involved? And none of these people ever opened their trap? Even for a gazillion ammount of $?
A fair amount of people, and they left messes everywhere. But the 911 commission's report had, well, just a little, blacked out. You know, national security.
The people doing this dont care about money. The actual people carrying out attacks are themselves mislead. They think they are some jihad. There is enough substantiating information to indicate certain groups were prompted to do attacks. for the people in power, it is not about money, it is about total control. Money is just a tool. How much money do you think the banks have anyway, when they create it from thin air.
Inside bet, lets make it easy... Saddam had WMDs... the Iraq war was all about Iraqi freedom, yeah. Fluoride is great for your teeth. The government looks out for us, they care. The banks mean well for us. If its on tv and in the news, it must be right. The government debt is just because times are tough. Taxation pays for the roads and other essential services we all need. Smart meters are a great convenience to help us control our energy use. We can build space shuttles, but we cant build an affordable house. Earth is over-populated, not that we are herded into densely populated areas. We dont have resources to solve starvation problems. George Bush cares not for money, he has no affiliation with Wall st. He cares for US citizens, just like Obama. The US dollar is based on gold, right, and there is lots of gold in fort knox too. Microchipping ourselves is for our own good.. And what those kids were saying and reading is all just one mother coincidence, right? Hmm yeah. Not even 0.000001% of the story..
I'm not at all offended by what you said. Why would I be? Well and truly, you know sweet FA and think you are right to criticize people that do see. You are not alone though. I'm really sorry you are blind. Not sorry for you, because you do it yourself. It is just sad to see someone that has absolutely no clue.
I dont mean to offend you or anyone that shares your views. But this is all real. It will be your problem is you fail to see it. I hope you can swallow your pride and just open your eyes and educate yourself. But from experience, people with your attitude almost never see. I know posting what I post will turn people against me. If that happens from spreading the truth, so be it. Just trying to help.
Many people have contacted me to express how thankful they are that I started them on the learning about all of this. And then they teach others. Thats why I still post about it. It used to be that 90% of people saw it all as nonsense. Now about 50% of people see it as the truth and are still learning. This number is growing. Im just another person and there are billions of us who see.
If you dont see it or start learning the truth, thats your issue. Even if it helps 1 person start, thats good enough for me.
Believe it or not, our civilization is being manipulated by satanic people, who worship an ancient reptilian alien called Satan. Whoa what has Steve been smoking?? Apparently the pope has been smoking the same thing. And so have all the judges and police too, who all swear by the bible that says just what I said. I'm not religious, and who would have thought the bible was actually correct about it? Perhaps it was actually created by the same people as part of their "system". Do you think I want to believe this?? In all likelihood it is the truth as ****ed up as it is. The more you learn, the more you'll understand why it is likely reality.
do people plan for things they will not be alive to see.
It is already happening. You are already seeing it and have been for many years. But soon there will be a combination of very big things beyond just the collapse of global finances. More false flag attacks. There's no doubt much more is coming soon. The DHS purchased lots of hollow point rounds for a reason. Citizens are being disarmed for a reason.
Preparation will help with some things, but not all. I personally believe the most important thing is to know yourself. Then you will recognize truth from lies. And you will be able to take the best action.
I believe it is inevitable that many people will die. Again I dont choose to believe this and it seems so pessimistic. It is what I've come to understand. Anyway people should always make up their own mind. Anyone can be wrong.
If you have time, watch this..............
nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=igX7Z8VstN4
Boy! You really think you know it all, don t you?
You dont want to argue with me but this a pretty long reply.
I dont want to argue with you either.
I find your tone VERY patronizing. Not surprising from someone who obviously fancies himself quite a bit.
You have NO idea who you re dealing with. I have a very open mind thank you very much. And I dont relly on CNN to make up my mind.
When I said there were tens of thousand of people looking for consiparies, i did not mean CNN!!!! I meant people like you and all sorts of investigators. Not the 9-11 Commission.
I don t say everything is open and sinless in this world. Far from it. But I just get very annoyed like people like you that find conspiracy and evil everywhere.
Proof baby, real hard proof. Where is it? Yeah, that s what I thought.
The 9-11 conpiracy would have to involve way too many people and someone somewhere would have oppenned his trap for $$$ or other reasons. This is SOOOO obvious I would have uderstood that when I was 8.
Stop watching the wheel. You head is spinning.
Insider
Inside - New York 9 - 11 Trade centre aside for the moment. Re : The other air crashes 1. Into the Pentagon & 2. Into the countryside.
Have you ever watched a television program called AIR CRASH INVESTIGATIONS ? If you have you will have seen footage & detail in most episodes of horrific crashes involving many types of aircraft.
Some of the most severe crashes & fires from both high & low altitude impacts has never seen 100% vapourisation of every metal & other part on the plane.
There is always wreckage that they recover. Usually they lay this out in a hangar somewhere in order to examine the parts. Then there is the all important flight recorder & black box.
The burning fuel is aviation grade kerosene. This fuel cannot burn hot enough to melt & vapourise steel especially heat resistant jet engine parts ?
What puzzles me is the speed of the investigation of the crashed plane in the countryside as well as the Pentagon crash & the declaration that all parts had vapourised ?
Independent investigations were not permitted ?
The pentagon crash had all light poles still standing on the angle of fight where the wings should have cut them down ? No jet engines or plane panels (planes are big chunks of metals weighing 100s of tons, yes ?) were found inside the Pentagon ? Expert opinion viewed the damage as that of a missile ?
The clean up of the World Trade Centre Site involved stock piling the structual steel that formed the frame of the buildings.
This steel was not kept for later analysis ? It was taken away and diced up as scrap metal rather quickly? Dust from the WTC collapse was analysed & found to have traces of C4 explosive in it ?
Why did building 7 collapse even though it wasn't hit by a plane or the towers ? It's been said they blew it for safety reasons ? But to do that when they did would require a demolition wire up taking days not hours according to demolition experts ?
It's no wonder conspiracy attitudes have a lot of validy. The Goverment & its agencies have not been open & honest with all of this ? Compare 9 -11 with a single murder case they don't usually dispose of the evidence until well after the case is finalised.
Here we have a catastrophic event with the death of over 3,500 people, the handling & explaination of the aftermath leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
Now the latest revelation of all the secret illegal gathering of private information. I read through the week there was a run on any copies of the George Orwell
'50's book -1984.
This fictional book covers a scenario of the government of the day (BIG BROTHER) collecting everyones info. with the goal of controlling everything.
The term BIG BROTHER used in the book has often been used for decades by many people.
I live in Australia & I'm a citizen of this country but that doesn't diminish the fact that things aren't quite right here with 9 - 11 ?
Wall Street & the lack of real control has led to unprecedented USA debt. 2008 GFC, Quantative easing QE 1, QE 2, QE 3 = money printing.
50 + million US people on food stamps, 25 million people US wide living in tents. All for viewing on you tube.
Lies about the jobless figures ( go to Shadow Stats for the nearly double true figures).
Gold & silver etc. prices manipulated by paper derivatives. Where for every ounce of gold held it is sold 100 times. That means that 99 owners actually own zero apart from a printed certificate. The traders then make money on the falling price x 100 (shorting) and again on the rising price also.
Add in Nano second trading where the big traders cream off minute amounts off each trade x trillions daily between seller & buyer.
Then the money market is much bigger than that. Wall Street seems too big & powerful now to be effectively controlled ?
Under employment is cronic. 1/2 the population is living on or below the poverty line. It's a difficult pill to swallow for vast numbers of people that used to have a higher living standard.
How can people prosper when pay rates are as low as $6 p/h ? Many States are bankrupt. Super Funds are being raided to avoid the Federal Fiscal Cliff.
The housing market is shot. Whole cities are gone. Detroit has houses at 1960s prices (easily seen on line)
Inflation is artificially suppressed, history demonstrates that this & money printing eventually fails. This legacy will be felt for generations to come.
I don't care what the future is supposed to be, it will be what it always has been and not influenced by a bunch of organic cells that have evolved to become a species called humans.
As long as the roulette wheel is still spinning so will the earth.
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Ausguy,
Good post. At the very least you are not lecturing me...
I am a Forex trader, so I know a little about manipulation. Even such a gigantic market can be somewhat manipulated by the really big boys. Forex is bigger than all the stock markets combined!
Anyway, i don t believe for a second that 9-11 could be an inside CIA job. Way too big. Way too many people involved. Read my two previous posts. Just impossible. You rehash all the old gossip that all tha conspiracy zelots have been coming out with.
I am not saying everything the goverments do is transparent. It is just politics reality. They lie often so they can have power. What is better: your system and mine or Staline, Pol Pot (Pol who???), Saddam, etc? You get my drift.
To say that the American leaders volontarily did 9-11 is pure fantasy. Again, where is the cold hard proof? There is none. And there should be some by now.
Now the conspiracy about JFK is a different matter. I dont believe it, but i could be wrong. You need a very small team to execute it. 9-11???? Think about it for more than 5 seconds.
Insider
canroul - Your view is similar to the Ostrich syndrome = bury your head in the sand & the problem(s) go away ?
Long before the roulette wheel was invented The Earth was spinning. The roulette wheel could disappear right now & The Earth would still keep turning.
Your thinking is flawed, especially when you say that the future is not influenced by humans ? Population growth alone in the last 150 years sees to that.
Insidebet - We as outsiders looking in, it is impossible to have evidence of the truth, virtually everybody knows that ?
You say where is the cold hard proof ? This is exactly my point, where's all the physical parts of the planes ? That's the cold hard proof & disposed of ? Destruction of evidence by the CIA ?
I refer to the Pentagon & remote area plane crashes.
Is it a correct statement that the authorities in charge announced that everything had vapourised. That alone is total BS based on every other known air crash where there is always crash wreckage ?
What do you think about that aspect ?
Why was there a co-ordinated approach to removing/deception of physical evidence ? The tower structual steel ?
Why did they blow up the still standing tower 7 ? In itself a rather large building. It wasn't even structurally damaged. Yes a lot of broken windows etc. ?
How did they organise the demolition logistics so fast ? The only logical conclusion is that the explosive charges were already in place ?
Who & why could/would do that ? Remember that these buildings had high security, no body could just walk in and start setting demolition charges ?
It was a controlled demolition, this takes time to set everything. Days rather than hours ?
Try and find a video example of a building demolition and see what they do to get it right, nobody can just throw in a few sticks of explosives and get a very strong
building to collapse. you tube may have some examples of proper demo. jobs?
It's all very well for you to broad brush the above mentioned aspects and label it as rehashing old gossip but unanswered valid questions they are ?
Just because you don't believe that the CIA could have been involved in 9 - 11 doesn't mean they weren't ?
Re-read the items in my previous post.
The US Goverment & its agencies are way too big & powerful for almost everything ? Actually they can get away with any with virtually anything ?
Some examples - Guantanamo Bay detention centre Cuba. The USA flouts International Geneva Convention law on prisoners by saying SUSPECTED terrorists aren't war prisoners.
Suspects were/are held for years without trail. Suspect Australian David Hicks was held for FIVE YEARS without charge. Eventually released back to Australia.
Torture was/is part of the deal there too.
Wikileaks exposed the extent of covert operations. How about the more recent revelations of the mass tapping of internet media information & telephone records?
All under the guise that BIG BROTHER is doing it for your own good ?
Bin Laden was shot in the back (unarmed please note) by an illegal US raid in a sovereign country = Pakistan, all watched on live TV by Obama. Imagine the uproar & retaliation if Pakistan special forces did a similar thing in the USA ? The quick disposal MO continued here too ?
Technically the USA Federal Government is bankrupt, yet they keep "solvent" by constantly printing money. That's where Congress is between a rock & a hard place with this currently as the debt is now too big to solve. The fiscal cliff still looms as it was only deferred not resolved.
How about the artificial low level of interest rates & the future ramifications of this ?
I keep informed on all this via the world class Australian financial forum Hotcopper. Many posters are USA people.
Sure Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, tyrants & other dictators are a blight on humanity.
Unregulated Wall street free enterprise trading is bringing the USA to it's knees. Lehman Bros., Freddie Mac, Fannie May. Thousands of US banks have gone bust since 2008. Millions of homes vacant while vast numbers live in tents.
Draw a pyramid to show the 3 levels of living these days in the USA. At the top 1st world, middle 2nd world & lower down 3rd world.
Isn't there 9 million illegal Mexicans living in California ? A lot are used for cheap labour, especially on farms where the produce is often dumped on world markets.
I had a discussion on a financial forum in 2010 with a guy from Arizona who said he was financially above average. He took me to task about aspects of US life in particular tent cities & closed shopping malls that he said were absolutely untrue because he'd never seen anything of it anywhere.
I referred him to tent cities on you tube & suggested he look at deadmalls.com & then come back on the forum & then tell me what he found. He never came back to that forum ?
We have farmers here bulldozing millions of beautiful orange trees because of unfair cheap imports. 60,000 tons of beautiful oranges were dumped this season & in some parts of the world people are starving, total madness.
Australia looks after it's people better than the USA. We have medical insurance (Medicare) for every citizen. Aussies get health care at an affordable price.
Pensioners here get a reasonable deal.
Unemployment benefits (dole) are paid by the Govt. until they find work, some may be on the dole for a year or more. I see in the US when your unemployment insurance runs out after X amount of months then no more money. This explains the ever expanding food stamps & tent cities scenario.
Here there are no tent cities. We don't have 20%+ of our population on food stamps.
Ausguy,
I am not disputing that all is not well in the US. Far from it. But instead of constantly dwealing on the bad, could anyone somewhere look at the good? It is the US bashing here in Canada.
I think this just part of the jealous human nature. It is the big strong guy here that had his way for a long period of time that is being kicked down and has a hard time getting up. So alot of very envious people are rejoicing now.
Back to 9-11. You say yourself that the controlled demolition would have required very extensive work. How could "they" keep everybody silent afterwards? That is the question that you cannot answer. Certainly, there would have been several hundred people involved. All these people, and everybody they might have talked to about this, everybody kept silent? Or maybe they were all killed by the CIA? Yeah! That s it!
You re talking about about USA involved in a foreign country (Bin Laden). I would to see your reaction if 9-11 had happened in Sydney and your dad, your girlfriend and two your close relatives had been murdered. What you do to the guy in the "foreign" country?
Insider
Private demolition companies do equivalent size buildings and only need 15 - 20 personnel. CIA & your Navy/Army have demolition personnel. Part of their MO code is total confidentiality. Something along the lines of "loose lips sink ships" from WW2 or The Code Of Silence (Maxwell Smart).
Have you seen the you tube slow motion images of tower 7 going down ? Also slow mo of the main towers ? Inconclusive with all the windows blowing out ? Air or explosives ?
What about re reading my past posts & at least give your view on the 2 other air crashes & "nil" plane parts?
I've said my bit about Bin Laden suffice to say the USA Seals/Obama was Judge, Jury & executioner, unarmed & shot in the back.
Don't you have an unwritten code, as seen in many Westerns, that you don't shoot an unarmed man in the back ?
Regarding your bit about an 9-11 equivalent attack in Sydney. Naturally I would be devastated & angry about such things. I would still expect that the mastermind, once caught, would be given a fair trail and if found guilty then executed.
While not on the scale of 9 -11 but still severe was a few years ago in Bali Indonesia ( the country with largest muslim population in the world) a bomb was detonated in a bar. Over 200 people were killed including 80 Aussies. Working with Indonesian authorities our expert investigators caught them all.
However Indonesian/Muslim law saw most of them get off more lightly than in Australia. Australia didn't send in the commandos & snuff them all. When compared a vast difference between the two events, yes ?
Even Saddam got a trail, was found guilty & hung. WW2 war criminals were tried & executed why not Bin Laden ? What about that jail in Cuba ?
The USA is always spruiking about Innocent until proven guilty ? Bill of rights ? In some cases only when it suits ?
My sons friend's father is in the Australian Army SAS. Special Army Services. He's done a few tours in Afghanistan. It's amazing the lengths they go to in order to maintain secrecy. He co-ordinates supplies including weapons, it's all done in code. He said the USA works the same way, our troops are there with yours.
Looking at some USA good, ok. Microsoft computers changed the world. WWW changed the world. Cell phones changed the world. Boeing changed the world.
The television & movie industry changed the world. Henry Fords mass produced cars changed the world. This led the way for the American Auto Industry, a mere shadow of itself these days. That Cadillac that Elvis put a bullet into, I hope to see it one day.
Heavy construction equipment changed the world. Without massive USA machines & knowledge the Panama Canal would not have been built when it was.
Your roads & railways & other infrastructure transformed the country allowing wealth to grow.
Oil discoveries & drilling technology changed the world. Massive shale oil develoment now allows far less imports. Space travel & satellites changed the world
Teaming up & forming the Allied Forces changed the world by defeating Germany & Japan.
Why they waited 2 years to get into it is puzzling ? Supplying the war made many US people rich. I realise, as everybody knows, that Pearl Harbour brought them into the fight.
Nuclear weapons & power stations changed the world. The power of the 2 bombs dropped on Japan shocked the world.
The USA people generally were better off 30 -40 years ago. What about a comment on the 50 million US people on food stamps ? The 25 million nationwide living in tents ? That's lots more than all the 23 million people of Australia.
How's your standard of living these days Insidebet, about the same as other years ? Better than it was ? Worse than ever ? Mine is about the same but I was better off 25 years ago.
Your analogy of the USA as the BIG STONG GUY is a good one. The Financial side rules the world (Wall Street). From the 1929 crash until now smaller countries are powerless to be financially independent. Playing Global Policeman gets a lot of people offside. This has come at great cost to the US economy.
What do you think of the ever increasing debt ? What does the average person know about it ? Why didn't 80 million people, 1/3, vote in the last elections ?
What I see with the USA is that your thinking is manipulated from many directions within. The vast majority of US people don't know or care what goes on elsewhere.
At least 80 million think alls well ?
Your movies mainly revolve around your big cities. Why would Invaders from outer space always target New York or LA all the time ?
Why are your major sports often billed as World Series or World Championship when in fact they are only National competitions ?
As to gun control, so many needless deaths ? Compare gun deaths in the US to the UK & Australia where generally guns are not part of the culture.
Your wild West & Wyatt Earp were a long time ago.
Then closer to our interest is gaming. In the US on line gambling has heavy restrictions preventing International accounts ? I can open an account in most countries.
Too many States have too many rules & regulations, this restricts progress. Gambling aside, the other day there was a story about a US town/city that banned guys from wearing their pants low & baggy on their hips. Unconstitutional is the opinion but still people in charge don't consider that aspect ?
Extreme religion has a lot of influence in many peoples lives. The USA leads the way in this area.
Not nearly as bad as Muslim extremists. We've got them here too. One Muslim got jailed the other day for whipping a new convert with a power cord.
The convert made the mistake of telling his mentor he'd had a few beers.
Insidebet, you called me a "lunatic", I correct you, then you complain that I'm "patronizing" you. Things you say clearly show you havent done reasonable research.
Ausguy, did you see the latest news about what happens to whistleblowers? nolinks://nolinks.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance (nolinks://nolinks.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance)
Also Ausguy, what do you make of the video in my original post? Plane Must Hit Steel?.. The more you dig, the crazier things get. These are literally evil people. Sure there is loads of trash information too, but its not hard to focus on what matters. Anyway eventually all this will unravel and everyone will know the truth. And as big as it all seems, there are even bigger things.
It hasnt been the first and wont be the last time certain groups promote fake attacks to push their own agenda. There is known history of it being done for thousands of years - they're called FALSE FLAG ATTACKS But ignorant people hear the word "conspiracy" and think you're a nut. On a simple level, it is just large-scale crime.
the world Is overpopulated that is the main problem. years ago we needed the labourers but they are no longer neededwhat jobs can these people find nowadays. religion is another problem the jobs are gone and they will not come back. slave labour is going on. have it yourself or be without it. every man for himself and god for us all.
Yes Steve I looked at your links - I, like many others believe a lot of the things don't add up when it comes to the US Goverment ?
The whistle blowers show just a bit of what really goes on. The link to the guy now in Hong Kong had only 301 views since the end of last April.
Put something on about Justin Bieber & it will get tens of thousands of hits in the same time span.
Just goes to show not too many people care about the important things. The US Govt. & their agencies know this and consequently they get away with so much that they shouldn't. Guatanamo Bay, Bin Laden, 9 -11, World Poiceman. BIG BROTHER KNOWS BEST.
The most troubling part I guess for most of us that are concerned is that we are powerless to do anything about it, except for some terrorists.
Wall St. & the US debt is so out of control. Who's going to put that right ? Nobody I can see when the Republicans & Democrats are at loggerheads.
PINS - Most of us know the World is overpopulated. As with Wall St & the US Govt. who's going to put that right ? My simple answer NOBODY.
This just hilarious!
First I have someone who is offended is offended by wrong doings by the US government. That same person is trying to make a living by selling something he knows damn well is illegal in most part of the world...
Thje second person is surprised Big Brother is watching! Big Brother has been watching for the last few thousand years in EVERY society in the world. Did you just learn something? And you guys call me ignorant?
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Insidebet - Your last post "And you guys call me ignorant". Your post 14 June - (Re - my reply) "Good post. At least your not lecturing me....."
I suggest that you don't lump all who comment to you on here into one basket. Show me where, in my posts, I said anything derogatory to you.
All I can say when you ask for facts and I've given quite a few, you mostly don't respond to specific items.
As to the "Big Brother" thing - George Orwell made the name in his 1950's novel called 1984. It relates to electronic surveilliance over citizens for complete control.
Thousands of years you say ? Julius Caesar, no? George Washington, no? Napolean, no? Kaiser Bill WW1, no? The Adolf Hitler gang, yes - partly.
I feel that there is not much value for me in continuing discussions with you on this thread, as such I bid you & this thread farewell.
Ausguy,
Sorry, the ''ignorant'' bit did not apply to you.
Big Brother has always existed. Anyone in power wants to know what ''his'' people think, what they do, what they plan to do, etc. And they always have taken whatever measures are available. Now the tools are a lot more sofiticated, so the intrusion is deeper. But this has always existed.
Just like corruption. It has always existed. Where there is human, there is the human beast. What is so surprising that we find crooks and corruption? It would be abnormal if there were not any. I am not saying we should not fight it, just that it will never be there.
Besides, there is so much hypocracy with regards to corruption. Of all the people that are tearing up their shirt over that, how many would take the $ 20 000 enveloppe if they were sure not to get caught? An overwhelming majority, that s how many!
Anyway, if everybody in this world thought the same thing, it would be a very boring world. I do not share many of your ideas, but you are entitled to differ.
Claude
Canada
Ausguy, insidebet is on a very different level. Nevertheless, it seems you learned quickly not to waste your time.
Pins, the world is far from over-populated. Go to nolinkss://maps.google.com.au/ and have a good look around, just the green areas. We have just been herded into relatively small areas.
Even deserts are habitable with simple technology.
Steve
I am just very glad I am not at you obnoxious level.
Insidebet, respectfully, I'm not interested in arguing with you.
nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/v/7L6J4Jyrxws
Ausguy & others, watch Obama backpeddle badly, and admit to breaking the constitution and rights to privacy. He says it indirectly.... we need to stop the terrorists, we cant have securty without a trade off and loss of privacy. Plus he admitted that "the laws dont apply to the rest of the world". So its out. The NSA is spying on everyone. Now soon the whistleblower is going to release the papers. Some of the whitehouse wants the whistleblower killed for.." treason".
We need to stop them terrorists. How many americans do terrorists kill? (real ones, not the 911 boogie man). How much is spent chasing "terrorists"? How many people did heart disease kill? How much was spent on heart disease research?.. The NSA and what Obama and his goons are doing has nothing to do with saving lives.
we have to do this to protect ourselves. the rest of the world does not obey the rules. they would take over if we did not do this. what else can we do.
Pins, you are so right.
I asked those two guys a very valid question: What this (9-11) had hapenned in Sydney and five of close relatives and 3 000 of you compatriots had died? How would you feel about it?
No answer to that. Not surprising. Just the same old gossip about liberties. Same leftwing bleeding heart propaganda. And then, when I have very solid arguments, I am patronized and described as being several <<levels>> under. That is just the pits.
Insider
Inside - Just to re-enter the thread to respond to your continuing inaccuracies.
You are Incorrect Re: 9 - 11 & Sydney. My post #13 gave a fairly comprehensive opinion on your Hypothetical, including how I would feel.
I believe your Sydney/9-11 question was specific to me, not to "those two guys" ?
Who are the "two guys" you refer to ? They have names - YES ? My post #18 addresses your propensity to incorrectly & unfairly "Lump all who comment here into one basket". To which you responded & apologised but here you are a few days later slipping back to your tired old MO ?
As to you having solid arguments, yes that's exactly about all you present, ARGUMENTS. Very little fact or detail ?
Steve & I have given detail counter views on aspects of the US Govt. disposing/falsifying evidence & associated actions, you've not responded to much of it at all ?
What is evident is that you don't seem to read/interpret most of the posts properly ? Are a few paragraphs of detail too much for you ?
Trotting out tired old generalisations such as "same old gossip" "left wing bleeding heart propaganda" "patronised" "several levels under" "it's just the pits"
just doesn't cut it. I won't get into a debate on "levels" so lets just say we aren't on the same page here.
As to pins' comment........ "what else can we do"? They can still follow the rules of International Justice & not make up new sets of rules as they go along and still get the same end result with already well established procedures.
Guantanamo Bay Jail Cuba also avoids the Int. rules, for you that's ok too I suppose, suspects held indefinitely ? No legal reps. no trail, torture all ok too ?
They tried & hung Saddam, They tried & hung plenty of Nazi war criminals. Why? Because they were innocent until proven guilty.
Bin Laden was executed by US armerd forces without trail with Obama watching it live on TV.
Who knows what may have happened if there was a trail, he may have been found innocent ? By popular opinion he was deemed guilty, Billions seemed happy about it
including you PINS & INSIDEBET. For me a trail over vigilante execution anyday. If guilty execute ASAP.
Ausguy,
Everything you say is debated a lot in this part of the world, too. A lot of people put forward the same arguments you hold. It is called democracy, something those sandpits thugs don t know much about.
The "two guys"? Well who has posted here? What else can I say?
Guantanamo? Yes it is a huge debate in the US and Canada. Are they war criminals or just common law criminals? Are they criminals at all? It is very much a debate. You say The US don t obey international law? What if the fight isn t fair? What do you do if you re in a boxing match and your opponent seems to think he is a mixed martial art fight? Do you stick by the rules and get pummeled? or do you say "wait a minute. you want to play it like that, we ll do something about it".
Bin Laden? The US governement says that they would heve preferred to bring him back for a trial, if possible. Do you think for a second Pakistan would have cooperated? If you say yes to that, you are more naive than me. All Pakistan is interested in is the billions of $ the US have given them and continue to do so. So if the US could bring him back, then the only other solution was implemented.
Facts? All the attacks on US personnel inland and abroad. Oh yes, all CIA covert operations! Of course! So silly of me. All the demonstrations of sandpit bums with signs promising death to as many Americans as possible? All CIA too?
You did not answer the "Sydney" question. I am sorry. To say that you would be "devasted" do not cut it. The real answer is that you would get back at the people who have done this, no matter what. You may say otherwise, but this is what the Australian would have done. It is easy to be righteous when it is in somebody else s backyard.
Like I said, you are entitled to your opinions. But you should, as I often do, try to put yourself in the other person s shoes. It really gives a different perpective a lot of the times. I have done that when it comes to the Muslims that attacked my continent and plan to do so in the future. All I can see is a few of religious zealots and a whole bunch of jealous thugs.
You probably dont agree with any of that, and that is just fine by me.
Insider
You have completely missed the point. Who did all this?
PLANE MUST HIT STEEL .. and reading MY PET GOAT.
Not clear enough for you? They laugh at how some people cant even see it when it is so in your face. And maybe you dont know the significance of the PET GOAT. It is the symbol for a servant of satan.
The masterminds of 911 are alive and well. Bin Laden had a hand in it, but was not the real brains behind it. And he died of disease well before the US claimed they shot him them promptly dumped his body in the ocean... because you know you gotta be respectful and all.
You say you want proof, yet you are given it . And you clearly havent done any research, nor do you want to do research. There is no point debating with someone like that.
Quotewe have to do this to protect ourselves. the rest of the world does not obey the rules. they would take over if we did not do this. what else can we do.
Thats exactly what they want you to believe. Pins, the USA breaks more international law than any other nation. It is by far the most totalitarian nation on Earth.
The USA is the ONLY country stupid enough to EVER have used nuclear weapons in war, TWICE. Japan was about to surrender because the USSR was coming from the north, and the bomb was dropped to assert dominance. Not to end a war that was clearly about to end anyway. The USA is guilty of serious war crimes every day, and yet still breaks international law.
These Jihad people... what is their motivation?... Do you believe Bush's explanation, that they "just hate freedom"..... or is it that they wont get out of their country and stop killing their people. Stop watching CNN and research what is really going on.
Bush knew what they were going to do. He even received reports specifically that Bin Laden's people were going to fly planes into the WTC. He ignored them and lied claiming he had no idea. Why? Because he and his goons prompted them to do it, and allowed it. So an agenda could be pushed. Like destroying the constitution, for further agendas. Like reshaping the middle east like Iraq - a region that had capability to affect their agenda.
FFS, the Bin Laden family was even in a known business relationship with the Bush family.
The president of the USA in business with the world's most wanted terrorist?? Ding, ding, ding! Get it? Did you know the Bush family even helped finance Hitler which aided his rise to power? Did you know the banks crashed the economy of Germany and forced everyone to their knees, so they would support a strong charismatic "savior" to fix germany? And in giving into Hitler, they got war. Research it all. What is happening today is a much more COVERT version of what happened with Hitler. Hitler was not a great guy, but he was still just a puppet.
This is barely the start. You want proof, it is everywhere, except TV. The group behind the Nazis are the same people doing it today. This goes incredibly deep and unfortunately it is reality. This is not about countries or the USA. It is about a select group of criminals who dont give a crap about the USA, constitutions and all. One way of looking at it is just very large scale crime.
nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/v/Gllsgu1HoFA
START DIGGING. LEARN. AND IF YOU ARENT FURIOUS, THEN YOU HAVENT LEARNED.
Steve,
As for Ausguy, you are entitled to your opinions.
I think you just hate the US, period. I am not saying the US is perfect, far from it. It has done extremely well, though, and not because they used force to accomplish that. The US respect the law as well as anybody.
Your conspiracy theories when it comes to 9-11 are pure fantasies. This would have been know by now. Yes, yes yoy are going to say it is known. But by who? US haters and mythomaniacs, that s who. There is no proof. If there were, it would be news EVERYDAY ALL AROUND THE FRIGGIN WORLD. It would be one the most gigantic stories ever. You don t trike me as being a complete idiot, so even yourself, with all your hate and delusion, must be able to see this.
And I have ask it over and over: with the hundreds, and probably thousands of people involved in the 9-11 attacks, how come anybody has not oppened his trap yet? You cannot answer that, right? Or maybe they were ALL killed by the CIA.
Anyway, look, think what you want.
This is it for me.
Insider
sorry, you really are lost
Recent "whistleblowers":
Reporter about to release story about CIA corruption... car blows up.
nolinks://nolinks.infowars.com/michael-hastings-assassinated-for-work-uncovering-surveillance-state/
NSA Exposed for Taking Private Data (blatantly breaks USA constitution)
nolinks://nolinks.itnews.com.au/News/346242,nsa-whistleblower-drops-out-of-sight-faces-prosecution.aspx
This guy exposed Obama for breaking the USa constitution, and they want to prosecute him. A lawful person protecting America.
This is just within the last week or so. There have been countless others. They are everywhere. While some people watch CNN and wonder where the whistleblowers are, others look at open sources.
There will always be people willing to risk their lives to explain what is happening.
If you want to know the latest on what is going on, bookmark nolinks.infowars.com. You cannot trust mainstream media (TVs, Radio, Newspapers)
ps let me clarify this: it is not the USA that is doing this. People like alex jones far from hate america - they love it. What is happening is a bunch of criminals in high places.
Here's a good summary of what is going on?.. This was JUST A FEW DAYS AGO. Dont believe it? Thats because you havent done your research.
nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/v/BQEqhx5L-48
Whistleblowers, everywhere, if you actually look.
For those who have an open mind...
These free videos will help you understand
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1. Are in populated areas
2. Depend on money to "survive"
Hint: Food grows from the ground. Learn what wild food you can eat. (Yes, it is going to be that bad)
Silver & Gold
Hidden Secrets Of Money 2:
Seven Stages Of Empire
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I don't concern myself with all the gloom and doom.
Eventually, man will destroy every other living creature on earth. But which better motivation to travel to the stars, and become thicker than flies, than to look for another earth like the one we all destroyed?
I feel better already, because I'm still able to enjoy the first one.
Quote from: Archie on August 30, 2013, 09:44:17 PM
I don't concern myself with all the gloom and doom.
Eventually, man will destroy every other living creature on earth. But which better motivation to travel to the stars, and become thicker than flies, than to look for another earth like the one we all destroyed?
I feel better already, because I'm still able to enjoy the first one.
As sad and as negative as it appears on the surface, this is the wisest passage of text I have seen on the forums for quite a while.
I'm with you Archie.
QuoteBut which better motivation to travel to the stars, and become thicker than flies, than to look for another earth like the one we all destroyed?
That's how I thought until recently. I mean what a mess this place is, and surrounded by thick headed people that think the awake people have lost it. But from what I've learned recently, we may have known this is all going to happen, before we chose to be here. We just dont remember it, yet. We are disconnected from the real reality. I believe what is happening, while may appear very negative, is actually the start of something very positive and when it really starts to hit the fan bad, that's the "do or die" time.
See nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQOX8EVNmE#ws (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQOX8EVNmE#ws) if you are starting out.