Re: flaming torch system

[iceberg1912]

Hi,
i've played that some weeks ago.
Lost 300 in 15 minutes.
Simple scam...
Bye

[rob567]

I love these systems, they nver work.

WannaWin just do some simple math.

Take the ((percentage of the board covered/37)x10) x(profit or loss for that area)

I came up with 3365 lost on 1000 spins which would be -8.11% on 35000 played

Of course the easier way to do that would be to look at it this way, you just gave the board 3 numbers for a house edge.

3/37 = 8.11%

Monte Carlo

[TwoCatSam]

I did some simple math.  This is based on 10,000 spins at $45 per spin on a single zero wheel with a normal vig of 2.7%.

Winners:     5,405 @ $10 for $54,050 (54.05% win rate at $10 per win.)

Losers:       2,703 @ $5 for <$13, 515> (27.03% loss rate at $5 per loss.); 1081 @ $20 for <$21,620>(10.81% loss rate at $20 per loss.) ; 811 @ $45 for <$36, 495>(8.11% loss rate at $45 per loss.)

Total loss: $17, 580 or 3.91% of your $450,000 investment.

Naturally, my math is probably off.  What amazes me is that he did increase the house take from 2.7% to 3.91% which I didn't think was possible.

Sam

[rob567]

TwoCatSam

I think we both did our math wrong. I come up with 2.67% house edge. I was at the office and just jotted it down on a piece of paper quickly. But now that I think about it this would be correct. All numbers inside of the board exclusive of the zero will always balance out. It's a basic matrix after all. Teaches me not to check my own math.

As follows

(3 [#0,31,34] / 37 )*1000spins = 81 spins lost @ -35/spin = $-2835
(4[#32,33,34,35]/37)*1000spins=108 spins lost @ -20/spin =$-2160
(10[#1,4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25,28,31,34)*1000spins=270 spins lost @ -5/spin = $-1350
(20[#2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,18,20,21,23,24,26,27,29,30)*1000spins= 541 spins won @+10/spin=$5410

total = 5410-2835-2160-2700 = $-935

sum total spins =1000 ok
sum total # = 37 ok
total wagered = 1000*35 =$35000

house edge = -935/35000 =-2.67%

Monte Carlo

[TwoCatSam]

Monte from the office............

I will check my math.  Math is not my strong suit.  

Also, someone please tell me what a "matrix" is as used in the discussion of roulette.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

You're right......it's the normal edge.  Somehow I figured it on 450,000 and it should have been 350,000.  I used 10,000 spins so 10 x 35 =350,000, not 450.

OK, moving on............

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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