I have NEVER asked this question before on any board but it has been asked of me.
With all your AP skills ( :suicide:), do you think you have 'beat' roulette? If the question is too vague, no problem, I can re-ask it in any form that makes you feel most comfortable.
Ken
??? Why would they ask you if you have beaten the game of roulette using AP if you don't get that side of the game and do not participate in that part at all? Just wondering.
Quote from: System on July 27, 2011, 03:18:23 AM
??? Why would they ask you if you have beaten the game of roulette using AP if you don't get that side of the game and do not participate in that part at all? Just wondering.
'They' never have. I'm referring to when they ask me in terms of METHODS. I figure, its FAIR if I ask the same question back.
Ken
A second question I want to add for the crew. Lets say I'm interested in the study of wheel bias (cough). I live in a town with only one casino, a few wheels. If I cant spot a bias, now what do I do? Do I travel the country looking for one? :girl_wacko:
OR......simply rule out playing roulette? Perhaps stamp collecting?
Ken
Ken,
You got it !
A lot of distant travel is now being done in search for the proper wheel. From what I gather this seems to be the norm.
Kaisan travelled from Germany to Macau and did not play one single spin .The same goes for another poster here and at the other VLS site. He went from Eastern Europe to Macau and side stepped the roulette section . He played Mini Bac instead.
It pays to have a back up game.In addition to Baccarat I would also recommend Pai Gow Poker. Great Game. Is this being offerend in your localiity?
Nathan Detroit
Yep, as far as I know, I think we have everything here.
Ken
Interesting talking about other games. What is the difference between slot machines and roulette system play? Now there is a good question. Both the wheel and the machine are real number generators. Both have a similar percentage house edge. Both you will have winning days but eventually you will have more loosing days.
Simply put. If you think you beat roulette with systems you should beat slots as well. Slots is the perfect reason why progressions won't work. Anything can come up. So why do people not realize the same goes for roulette. ???
Quote from: Mr J on July 27, 2011, 12:45:38 PM
A second question I want to add for the crew. Lets say I'm interested in the study of wheel bias (cough). I live in a town with only one casino, a few wheels. If I cant spot a bias, now what do I do? Do I travel the country looking for one? :girl_wacko:
OR......simply rule out playing roulette? Perhaps stamp collecting?
Ken
Yes, you have to put in a bit of effort to find suitable wheels, but not as much as you might think. ;)
If you can't be bothered to do that, stamp collecting is a good alternative, it won't cost you as much as playing systems sorry - METHODS (splutter). :thumbsup:
Quote from: System on July 28, 2011, 03:43:07 AM
Interesting talking about other games. What is the difference between slot machines and roulette system play? Now there is a good question. Both the wheel and the machine are real number generators. Both have a similar percentage house edge. Both you will have winning days but eventually you will have more losing days.
Simply put. If you think you beat roulette with systems you should beat slots as well. Slots is the perfect reason why progressions won't work. Anything can come up. So why do people not realize the same goes for roulette. ???
Assuming you are an AP guy (I never really know these days), any comment on my TWO questions?
Ken
Quote from: Mike on July 28, 2011, 12:38:01 PM
Yes, you have to put in a bit of effort to find suitable wheels, but not as much as you might think. ;)
If you can't be bothered to do that, stamp collecting is a good alternative, it won't cost you as much as playing systems sorry - METHODS (splutter). :thumbsup:
Sooooo, I'm not asking about 'putting in effort'. I asked, if there are none here at my casino in town and a person can NOT travel (for whatever reason), is that it until next time, checking them again? How long of a time period?
Ken
It depends on what your intentions are. If you play 30 spins twice a months, just play whatever wheel you got within a stone throw. If your intentions is to make a steady second income as a semi pro, maybe adding 25 - 40% to your income in your business, you NEED to learn some specific tecknikes inside out, uou NEED find a beatable wheel. You NEED to put in some 3 - 6 days in a row. Map it out and play it with relatively large units until you are happy and they are not.
After the arrival of the internet, make some networking groups to scout for opportunitys. Meet up with your network in new places, meet people, wine and dine at nice places, see the world. LIVE LIFE and getting payed while doing something you enjoy and has perpared for. Sometime you strike it big, sometimes you waste 3 days and lose a bit. But as long as the wife urges you to go again, it can`t be all that bad.
Some like it, some don`t. Some people can`t afford to travel and take few days off once a month, others can because they supply their income while off work.
Life is full of personal choices, but why always pick the boring ones ?
Excellent post by Kelly. No penny ante stuff. Classy suggestions. Mode of travel, hotels and meals don`t come cheap either. Not to forget the .proper bankroll. :ok:
Nathan Detroit.
Kelly du bist leivant.Wie bist Du zum KG´ler worden ?
CU
RCEC
"find a beatable wheel. You NEED to put in some 3 - 6 days in a row. Map it out and play it with relatively large units until you are happy and they are not" >>> Kelly, I love ya like a brother but.....
You are explaining to me, what to do. I'll never have interest in this 'type' of betting but I appreciate your post.
Let me ask it differently. Lets say *YOU* lived in a town with only a few wheels. You do your daily search for that bias but can not find one (at least for now) AND you can not travel (for whatever reason). Do you throw in the towel? Is it the end for you in terms of 'looking for a bias'? What would be next?
Ken
My god you are sensitive. Replace the "you"s with "I"s. The answer is pretty obvious, if you insist on being an advantage player but refuse to search in more than 1 - 2 local casinos that might not have playable wheels, you are in for a serious chunk of stamp collecting or get good at plays where you can beat other players like Poker.
Mr J (Ken)
My answer is YES, I beat the roulette game with AP.
Now you are talking about bias. But you don't know anything about bias or how to look for bias.
You don't even play this kind of bets. Your bets are on luck and hope for even distribution. This with a
progression.
No bankroll can give you wisdom.
What do you know about bias, make a list of how to spot bias. The kind of bias and the reason for this.
Let me give you a tip. Bias can be in the wheel and in the hand of the dealer. Yep the dealer spinning
a sequence of numbers.
If you can't understand AP, play 10 of you numbers for 4 spins. If you win keep on playing them. If you
lose. DON"T play them for 4 spins. May luck be with you.
Cheers
"My answer is YES, I beat the roulette game with AP" >>> Well, you did answer. Its RARE these days for answers on message boards. It does not mean I believe you BUT you did answer.
"But you don't know anything about bias or how to look for bias" >>> I guess I have to tell you the SAME thing I told Kelly/Snowman. I am NOT looking to learn this nonsense so I dont know why you refer to me as not knowing MORE about it? It makes no sense. You can only fool people for so long before they start to figure out the BS behind the explanations of bias (cough). :girl_wacko:
"Your bets are on luck and hope for even distribution. This with a
progression" >>> Nope, not ALL bets rely on the 'luck' factor. Say it again 500 times and I'll come back at ya 500 times. I have also stated that I play much less in terms of progressions these days. Say it again 500 times and I'll come back at ya 500 times.
Thats the thing I love about the bias crew (cough). Assuming you are correct, the casino is simply going to ALLOW you to carry on with no corrections.? What a LOAD of BS folks.
Ken
Ken you can`t have it both ways. If you ask people about AP and biased wheels, you should expect an answer in that category. Stop asking questions about it, and you will have a much more relaxed life.
Oh I forgot
Ken foaming from the mouth:
(COUGH COUGH)
AS IF I CARE ABOUT BIASED WHEELS....HRMPF
KEN
You look a little bit mad Kelly/Snowman. You never answered my FIRST question.
With your AP skills (cough), do you feel you have 'beat' roulette?
Ken
Quote from: Kelly on July 29, 2011, 12:18:05 AM
My god you are sensitive. Replace the "you"s with "I"s. The answer is pretty obvious, if you insist on being an advantage player but refuse to search in more than 1 - 2 local casinos that might not have playable wheels, you are in for a serious chunk of stamp collecting or get good at plays where you can beat other players like Poker.
Thank you for the reponse, much appreciated. So in conclusion, if a person can NOT travel (for whatever reason) and there are NO bias wheels in their ONE casino.......they are out of luck. Thank you for your time.
Ken
Only someone with a million dollar system to sell, would have "beat roulette". But I do once in a while find A WHEEL I can beat.
PS: Why do you keep calling me Kelly/snowman ? You think hes my evil brother ?
Ken, ::) What i do not get is why you ask all these questions and expect answers if you are not interested in how it all works. Sounds to me like in your case the elevator does not quite reach the top storey.The tv is on but there is no sound. The ligts are on but nobody home. 10c short of a Dollar.
Quote from: Kelly on July 30, 2011, 01:46:42 AM
Only someone with a million dollar system to sell, would have "beat roulette". But I do once in a while find A WHEEL I can beat.
PS: Why do you keep calling me Kelly/snowman ? You think hes my evil brother ?
So from YOU, I'll take that as a NO. Funny thing is, we (other method guys) have something in common !!! I also have not 'beat' roulette but I have great days with this game as well. Hmmmm
Twocando says that he has 'beat' roulette with AP (cough) so I assume he has a million dollar method.
Ken
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 09:02:36 AM
Ken, ::) What I do not get is why you ask all these questions and expect answers if you are not interested in how it all works. Sounds to me like in your case the elevator does not quite reach the top storey.The tv is on but there is no sound. The ligts are on but nobody home. 10c short of a Dollar.
Let me see if I got this. I CAN'T ask questions regarding AP (cough) and at the same time, have no interest in it? Why?
.........and lets be consistent. How many questions from the AP (cough) crew, asking method players all kinds of BS. That seems to be ok. Same rule for everyone please.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 11:06:34 AM
Let me see if I got this. I CAN'T ask questions regarding AP (cough) and at the same time, have no interest in it? Why?
.........and lets be consistent. How many questions from the AP (cough) crew, asking method players all kinds of BS. That seems to be ok. Same rule for everyone please.
Ken
That made no sense at all. Why would you ask questions in something you have no interest in? As far as I can see, AP guys are just pointing out the facts of the game. Facts that are genuinely facts, not pie in the sky antics. Why have you not answered the question I asked you?
So I was wrong about the question? Which question was it? Those are not facts regarding AP, those are delusions you have. :girl_wacko: If you think AP (cough) are facts, you are deeper in mud than I originally thought. Better you than me.
I asked you.....to be consistent, would that not mean AP (cough) guys should not ask method guys questions? Let me guess, its a one way street? :sarcastic:
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 11:49:05 AM
So I was wrong about the question? Which question was it? Those are not facts regarding AP, those are delusions you have. :girl_wacko: If you think AP (cough) are facts, you are deeper in mud than I originally thought. Better you than me.
I asked you.....to be consistent, would that not mean AP (cough) guys should not ask method guys questions? Let me guess, its a one way street? :sarcastic:
Ken
It is not a one way street. The point brought up by the likes of Kelly and co are very much legitimate whether you like it or not. Kelly must be one of the most patient people on mother Earth because he really does go out of his way to answer you decently and with underserved respect.
What I don't get is that you admit to know nothing about AP yet you are sledging it. Shouldn't one be an expert on a subject before sledging it. With Systems it is different. We know why it cannot win in the longrun. It is pretty much the same as a slot machine. The house has the edge. I really don't know how to make you see that. I guess it is not possible to make a hole digger a rocket scientist.
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 12:01:24 PM
It is not a one way street. The point brought up by the likes of Kelly and co are very much legitimate whether you like it or not. Kelly must be one of the most patient people on mother Earth because he really does go out of his way to answer you decently and with underserved respect.
What I don't get is that you admit to know nothing about AP yet you are sledging it. Shouldn't one be an expert on a subject before sledging it. With Systems it is different. We know why it cannot win in the longrun. It is pretty much the same as a slot machine. The house has the edge. I really don't know how to make you see that. I guess it is not possible to make a hole digger a rocket scientist.
Where did I say I know NOTHING about AP(cough)? Please quote correctly. "With Systems it is different. We know why it cannot win in the longrun" >>> Thank you for your opinion, much appreciated AND what is the 'long run'? (here we go again) What is your style of roulette play?
Ken
"It is not a one way street" >>> Ummm, well yeah, it sure is. The AP (cough) crew think its okay to question/slam method threads/posts BUT if the opposite happens, its uncalled for. You see, thats called being inconsistent.
Ken
Ok let's answer your question first although you do not like to answer what is asked of you. I play a kind of dealer signature combined with Kimo Li's quads and matrix. I would love to know more about AP because it not only makes sense what is being said but clearly it is not playing blind. Now I answered your question, please have the decentcy to answer mine.
Regarding whether you know AP. Prove it. Tell us in your next post all you know about AP. I guess you will not. Actually I will bet you do not simply because really we all know you know nothing. You are the original donkey refusing to see reason. If you did understand AP you would know why you cannot win with systems so that is pretty self explanitary. Don't be the idiot you are coming over to be. Accept all views. Learn all ways. Then decide for yourself looking at the facts. I just do not see the reason for arguing about this. Stop playing "my father is stronger than your father" Grow up and that way you will see all views and be a better player for it. Well that or you are only on forums to be in the spotlight and argue.
Ken
Yes I do have a mil plus AP and it works. Send me 100 spins from a single 0 wheel. I show you the way, maybe then you will have something to do at your casino.
You are a method player. One question why do methods lose to random spins?
If you play AP and VB, you will now when to play which method.
There are 1000's of methods and how many AP?
My casino is my ATM, daily withdrawing cash from them.
Get a live or get out of this stupid arguments.
TCD
"Send me 100 spins from a single 0 wheel. I show you the way, maybe then you will have something to do at your casino" >>> Wait, wait.....I'm confused. You are into AP (cough), correct? I give you 100 live spins and you'll give me a profit based ON WHAT?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 12:22:55 PM
"Send me 100 spins from a single 0 wheel. I show you the way, maybe then you will have something to do at your casino" >>> Wait, wait.....I'm confused. You are into AP (cough), correct? I give you 100 live spins and you'll give me a profit based ON WHAT?
Ken
Ken........ Dealer signature also falls under AP I recall.
BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
Quote from: Twocando on July 30, 2011, 12:29:49 PM
BIAS BIAS BIAS BIAS
WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?
:lol: I'm noo AP expert! Yes you are right.
:sarcastic: Looks like we got an issue. One goof says 'dealer signature' and the other goof says 'bias'.
Ken (too damn funny here)
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 12:32:50 PM
:lol: I'm noo AP expert! Yes you are right.
Will you two clowns get your LIES straight please. :sarcastic: Next time, PM each other first so that you are on the same page. :girl_wacko:
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 12:36:35 PM
Will you two clowns get your LIES straight please. :sarcastic: Next time, PM each other first so that you are on the same page. :girl_wacko:
Ken
Who is insulting now? Both Bias and Dealer sig are AP techniques. Thought you knew something about AP.
No, no, no (but nice try). You thought he was talking about DS, you screwed up pal, move on. :sarcastic:
Ken
Ken
You are the best.
:give_rose:
You know all about the game.
You have the magic for winning
You did all the work on the game
You can even beat RNG
Why do you still try to help others, just send them money from your winnings.
O sorry you are not playing roulette, damn
then you know nothing about the wheel, the game , bias or AP or VB.
EVEN the number 40 is a headache for you, is it because its higher than your IQ?
If not - explain the number 40 to roulette, the wheel and the table on single 0 .
I am no AP expert, fact. So how did I screw up? Ken you are a childish wannabe rouylette player. That or you were diprived of love as a child and you are looking for attention. In both events it really is very sad. I have to go now so feel free to post more insults as I won't be replying any further today. If you did not know that DS, VB and Bias falls under AP then that is no fault of myself. It is clearly your incompetence to know that and a clear proof that you don't know anything of AP and have no right to even talk about it because simply put: If you don't have any knowledge in a certain field, just keep your trap shut and try and learn. Once you have mastered it you may have a say. That is all I am saying. That and that you are a joke. I'll see where we are tomorrow. I'm sure we will still be on page one. (Ken's inabilty to see reason and be a rational person)
"please have the decentcy to answer mine" >>> Post it again and I'll re-post my answer AGAIN. You won't get me to say 'key' words, stop trying.
"Regarding whether you know AP. Prove it" >>> No, no, remember the definition WE both came up with? You have to disprove me, remember?
"you would know why you cannot win with systems" >>> I dont play systems and you are wrong....I do very well with a few methods. Jealous? Good, you should be. :sarcastic:
Ken
"You are the best" >>> Nope, far from it.
"You know all about the game" >>> All? Nope but alot about the game.
"You have the magic for winning" >>> No magic sir.
"You did all the work on the game" >>> All? Nope but I did (and still do) put in a *TON* of time into this game. 5.26%? Big deal.
"You can even beat RNG" >>> Can you copy/paste where I said that, thanks.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 01:05:59 PM
"You are the best" >>> Nope, far from it.
"You know all about the game" >>> All? Nope but alot about the game.
"You have the magic for winning" >>> No magic sir.
"You did all the work on the game" >>> All? Nope but I did (and still do) put in a *TON* of time into this game. 5.26%? Big deal.
"You can even beat RNG" >>> Can you copy/paste where I said that, thanks.
Ken
:whistle: Sorry Ken but seriously you know absolutely nothing about the game and that is evident in any of your posts. It is one thing to be a newby on a forum , it is another thing to be a veteran on forums but an total idiot regarding roulette. How the hell did you ever become a mod? That is the real question ;D
:)
the 0/00 and the 0 wheel only have 8 numbers to the same side of the wheel
Thats from the 0 clockwise,
00 0
30 30
11 11
32 32
17 17
34 34
15 15
36 36
13 13
29 29
12 12
31 31
18 18
33 33
16 16
35 35
14 14
I wonder why or do I?
"I wonder why or do I?" >>> I think you're missing the bigger question. Does anybody care? :sarcastic:
Ken
Whats the hit ratio for this numbers. For 00 / 0 and 0 wheel ?
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 01:24:50 PM
"I wonder why or do I?" >>> I think you're missing the bigger question. Does anybody care? :sarcastic:
Ken
Huh? What do you mean? If nobody cared, why the F are we having this conversation? Why the f are you as a lone crusader continue with this absolutely crazy crusade of yours?
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 01:31:22 PM
Huh? What do you mean? If nobody cared, why the F are we having this conversation? Why the f are you as a lone crusader continue with this absolutely crazy crusade of yours?
Same rules for all please. You are ALSO posting, correct? So why do you continue with your crazy crusade?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
Same rules for all please. You are ALSO posting, correct? So why do you continue with your crazy crusade?
Ken
I think I have hit home. Finally you realize that you are wrong. It takes a big person to admit it, so admit it and you will be the big person you want to be. You have to thank me though for making you that big person. No don't worry it was a pleasure.
You never answered me >> why do you continue with your crazy crusade? Same rules for everyone.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 01:43:36 PM
You never answered me >> why do you continue with your crazy crusade? Same rules for everyone.
Ken
What crazy crusade Ken? Man you just do not realize the damage you are doing to yourself
I guess Ken Vacated. No wonder.
I have a question/point, maybe someone can help me out. You notice that on MY recent threads, I get ATTACKED from others. Thats fine but where are YOUR threads, me attacking you? Can you point those out for me, thanks.
Ken
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 01:57:01 PM
What crazy crusade Ken? Man you just do not realize the damage you are doing to yourself
Back at ya....what crazy crusade am I on? Same rule for everyone please.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 02:24:56 PM
Back at ya....what crazy crusade am I on? Same rule for everyone please.
Ken
Same rule yes. What you do not realize is that the rest of the members just have to read and they will see what .... sorry I cannot say the word. But it is ok. No imagination needed.
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 02:28:29 PM
Same rule yes. What you do not realize is that the rest of the members just have to read and they will see what .... sorry I cannot say the word. But it is ok. No imagination needed.
I didn't ask about other members. I asked YOU, what crazy crusade am I on?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 02:23:33 PM
I have a question/point, maybe someone can help me out. You notice that on MY recent threads, I get ATTACKED from others. Thats fine but where are YOUR threads, me attacking you? Can you point those out for me, thanks.
Ken
Sounds to me like you have an inferiority complex Ken. Only attacking was from you whether direct or indirerct
:) We should have a vote from the forum.
I'm asking (again), what crazy crusade am I on?
Ken
It is sad if you have to ask that.
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 03:01:42 PM
It is sad if you have to ask that.
Well, if its asked of me, then back at ya. You dont like the 'same rules for everyone' concept, do you? :sarcastic:
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 03:03:22 PM
Well, if its asked of me, then back at ya. You dont like the 'same rules for everyone' concept, do you? :sarcastic:
Ken
I especially appreciate the laws for all. You just don't abide by them. If Steve cannot see that then I'm afraid it really doesn;t matter now does it.
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 03:08:36 PM
I especially appreciate the laws for all. You just don't abide by them. If Steve cannot see that then I'm afraid it really doesn;t matter now does it.
"You just don't abide by them" >>> Second time I'm asking you......can I get a couple examples?
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 03:11:15 PM
"You just don't abide by them" >>> Second time I'm asking you......can I get a couple examples?
Ken
You are an expert poster. Forums is your thing. Obviously not roulette. I hope, that others realize this.
Quote from: System on July 30, 2011, 03:14:42 PM
You are an expert poster. Forums is your thing. Obviously not roulette. I hope, that others realize this.
Nice try, misdirection yet again. :sarcastic: What crazy crusade am I on?
I did not ask about expert posters OR if forums are my thing etc.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 03:24:11 PM
Nice try, misdirection yet again. :sarcastic: What crazy crusade am I on?
I did not ask about expert posters OR if forums are my thing etc.
Ken
Well all is obvious. What more is there to say.
So FOR THE RECORD, you won't answer a SIMPLE question, ok. BTW.....thanks for helping with my post count. :sarcastic:
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 03:29:14 PM
So FOR THE RECORD, you won't answer a SIMPLE question, ok. BTW.....thanks for helping with my post count. :sarcastic:
Ken
OMG you are gone. Your so-called questions again. What about the questions asked from you?
"What about the questions asked from you?" >>> From me OR to me?
Ken
Questions again? I asked in regards to the 'crusade'......I never recieved an answer. Not a big deal, I'll jot you down as......REFUSED to answer.
Ken
Quote from: Mr J on July 30, 2011, 03:41:22 PM
Questions again? I asked in regards to the 'crusade'......I never recieved an answer. Not a big deal, I'll jot you down as......REFUSED to answer.
Ken
;D Jot down what you like. Still makes no difference in the fact that you are way wrong.
QUESTION for you >>> I am 'wrong' saying that you did NOT answer me in regards to the crusade question?
Ken
An example from the VIP board......Snowjob always got pissed when I started a thread there. (lol)
Why? Because METHODS was the main topic and not AP (cough). He got so mad and I loved it. :sarcastic:
Ken
Quote from: Kelly on July 28, 2011, 02:07:24 PM
It depends on what your intentions are. If you play 30 spins twice a months, just play whatever wheel you got within a stone throw. If your intentions is to make a steady second income as a semi pro, maybe adding 25 - 40% to your income in your business, you NEED to learn some specific tecknikes inside out, uou NEED find a beatable wheel. You NEED to put in some 3 - 6 days in a row. Map it out and play it with relatively large units until you are happy and they are not.
One of the best posts I have read in a long time. Bit to add:- Then when you cash in a manager makes himself known to see the ammount. With words like "Turned us over again then".
And the reply "Blame the dealer not me" To which the manager replies "I will having words later".
Now that's when you are happy. :)