Please see at bottom of this article the daily results :rtfm: from DublinBets Table 1 + 2 *
Dear Fellows and Roulette Explorers !!
I proudly present 2 You the improved and tested
BlackPearl Double DZ/CL Strategy !!!
I am sorry for my bad english...
Basic Thoughts:
- Betting on DZ/CLs gives you a good return
- Choose, if You want to bet on DZ or CLs
- When You have experience and want a variation, play the strategy on both at same time
- Avoid two risks, when betting on DZ/CLs!
Risk 1: ONE (the same) DZ/CL, which appears in a row
Risk 2: ZERO
Here we go: The Strategy:
Betting Session Start Signal: When one (the same) DZ or CL slept 5 x in a row
This trigger is only used ONCE, when you start your daily betting session!
After You have started the session, then bet always according to what is described below.
No more trigger signal needed then...
Always start with: -1-/-1- on each of the two chosen DZ or CL. -1- = chosen Chip size = Basic Bet
1) Bet always one unit (-1-) on the DZ/CL which were hit by the last (current) ball.
2) Bet at the same time always one unit (-1-) on that DZ/CL, which is the last one (the sleeper DZ/CL)
3) Switch always (if needed) according to this pattern
4) Progression (Prog): When lose (on sleeper DZ/CL for ex.), use Fibonacci (FIB) Nb line to bet separately on that chosen DZ/CL
5) When win on one of the chosen DZ/CL, switch back to basic bet: -1- / -1-
FIB is: 1 - (1) - 2 - 3 - 5 - 8 - 13 - 21 - 34 - 55 (on each DZ/CL separate).
You can also use: 1 - 2 - 3 - 5 - 8 etc.
Prog in detail (a): When one DZ/CL is at FIB Prog step (size) 8, then encrease the other one also according to FIB with 2 - 3 - 5 etc. ( IF it was still at unit size -1- up to then)
Prog in detail (b): When the second DZ/CL (described in Prog a) is at FIB step/size 3, start to bet on the third DZ/CL also with -1 - 2 - 3 ... if necessary (very rare).
VERY Important: Place always adequate chip on ZERO to secure your money/attack!
> Please have in mind, that this strategy can (should) be played with lower chip sizes as 1.00, 2.00 or 5.00 USD.
> Your bankroll should be related to this at 1k, 2k or 5k.
> Have always a winning/losing goal of 10, 15 or 20%.
> Please stop then and leave the casino!
> Test it, adapt to it, use it personally, enjoy it...
Become aquainted with it and develope the needed skills to handle it flexible & professional!
Do not give it away to people, which don`t appreciate it !!
It`s a gift to You all... Right from my heart :give_heart:
Sincerely Yours
ROLF :thumbsup:
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Here are some points to use for better understanding:
1. Bet always on 2 DZ or 2 CL at the same time
2. Bet always on the LD (Last Dozen) and the FD or SD ( Farthest or the Sleeper DZ).
3. When You START: Bet always basic bet, which is -1-/-1-
4. When You WIN: Reset always both DZ/CL to Basic Bet -1-/-1-
5. When You lose on both DZ/CL: Increase always bet on the SD according to FIB Line
do not encrease bet on both of the DZ/CL. FIB on this strategy is here: 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55
6. When You go on with losing: Bet according to point 5. -- Other DZ stays at -1-.
7. When your bet on SD reaches chip size 8, then encrease second DZ also according to FIB.
8. When your bet on SD reaches chip size 13, then also start to bet on the THIRD DZ according to FIB.
IMPORTANT: You bet simultanously on Double DZ or Double CLs, but You use the FIB Progression separated
on each of the DZ/CLs !!
That`s the key for the success of this nice and effective strategy!! (maybe the most important one ....)
So You will always have more winning sessions than looosing sessions in the monthly / weekly average!!!
Enjoy Your testing -- You will during You tests find out how to use that strategy flexible and successful!
Sincerely,
ROLF
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* Daily Session Live Results here:
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Hello there BlackPearl,
Thanks for posting your system. Some clarification is needed I think. First, you say that the signal to start betting is when a DZ or CL has not shown for 5 spins, but then in step 2 you say:
QuoteBet at the same time always one unit (-1-) on that DZ/CL, which is the last one on the screen (the sleeper DZ/CL)
This is confusing because you say at the end: (the sleeper DZ/CL). But if you're betting on the last DZ/CL to show, and the trigger is a DZ/CL which has
not shown for the last 5 spins, then how can it be the sleeper DZ/CL? :-\
BTW, Since your strategy looks fairly simple, I must warn you that I intend to write a simulation of it.
Be afraid, be very afraid... Muhahahaha :diablo:
Dear Bayes,
Thanks greatly 4 Your response !!
YES, You are right... I didn´t explained that point enough!!
Here we go:
I use a ONE TIME START SIGNAL, which is, when a DZ or CL has not shown up for 5 or 6 spins.
THIS Signal is only to start the betting session of that particular day !!!
AFTER THAT START SIGNAL FOR THAT DAILY SESSION, there is NO start signal or trigger anymore needed,
only to bet on the chosen Double DZ/CL, as it is described in my opening posting of this thread...
Will edit the info there also...
THX again, friend !!!
Sincerely Yours
ROLF :thumbsup:
Will be around for another hour or so...
Still waiting for some serious testers or whoever...
:rtfm:
Will place real results (daily sessions on DublinBet) of the strategy here soon!
Greetings
ROLF :thumbsup:
Hello again Rolf,
This is still confusing... It seems to me as though 1) is the same as 2) - you just bet on the DZ/CL which came up last, is that correct? Is it possible to post a short sequence showing how the progression works, it might help to generate some more interest in your system. Thanks!
Also, just an observation regarding the "risks":
Risk 4: A different DZ/CL appears on each spin.
Your system walks right into this one. There's no avoiding risk, whichever bet selection you choose. :no:
Sorry, good friend...
my english is not good enough!
I miss the words for describing the strategy better....
and...Sorry again: you didn`t understood it because of that!
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Here we go again:
1. Every bet goes on two different DZ`s or two different CL`s at he same time.
2. You bet on a. the DZ/CL, on which the ball landed the last time
2.1. At the same time you bet on that DZ/CL, which is widest back on the table screen
3. According to the numbers of the coming rounds you always switch your chosen bet`s
in harmony with Points 1. - 2.1.
4. You cover Zero always with appropriate sum to assure your current bet
Start with doing this, when the betting sum on the tableau is higher then 15 or 20 units.
5. PROG is Fibonacci Nb line: 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55 or: 1-2-3-5-8-13 etc.
Fibonacci Nb Line (the "Golden Cut") is a natural number addition and nature is always right.
Roulette numbers are natural chaotic random, so we NEED a natural based Progression to handle it.
Everything else is in the thread opening posting...
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> Will post examples and real results from daily DB sessions soon!
Where are the wise men of Roulette? :clapping:
Calling for programmers also to test this ... :aggressive:
BTW, this strategy is NOT difficult to understand...
If You try it out, You WILL definitely enjoy it!!!
Best Regards
ROLF :thumbsup:
Ok, thanks Rolf. I get it now; you bet the last dozen to hit and the "furthest back" dozen (the one which has been "sleeping" the longest).
So with these numbers: Wait for trigger (5 misses of D or C)
35
18
28
22
8
11
34 Column 3 has missed 5 times here, so bet column 1 and the sleeper, 3
20 Loss, now bet column 2 and 3
29 Win, same bet
9 Win on column 3, so bet 3 and 1
Is this right blackpearl?
18
35
6
15
34
7
18
27
14
31
35
Hey Buffalo,
Yes, You are right...
exept the nb 28 in You first number line ( maybe you overlooked it )... np
Take your time 2 check it out, please...
THX for Your engagement here !!!
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Dear Bayes,
Thanks greatly also for Your interest in this
strategy ...
People would enjoy it (IF they would take the time 2 test and check it),
it is nice and easy 2 play... AND You can make some good profits with it!!
Casinos will haateh it... uuaaahhh !!! :skull:
Hearty Greetings
ROLF
Hi Rolf,
I still don't get how the progression works...
QuoteProg in detail (a): When one DZ/CL is at FIB Prog step (size) 8, then encrease the other one also according to FIB with 2 - 3 - 5 etc. ( IF it was still at unit size -1- up to then)
Prog in detail (b): When the second DZ/CL (described in Prog a) is at FIB step/size 3, start to bet on the third DZ/CL also with -1 - 2 - 3 ... if necessary (very rare).
You use a fib progression on each DZ/CL independently right? So you only need
one win on a DZ/CL and then you set the progression back to the first step correct? I gave this a try and it didn't do too well, a short example would be appreciated because I don't think I'm using the progression correctly.
p.s. I'm a programmer but I need to know exactly how the system works before I can code it. It's easy to misunderstand a system's rules, that's why an example would be helpful.
Hello Bayes and Friends here at VLS,
> YES, the FIB Prog is used on both of the DZ/CLs separate/independent from each other,
but according to the rules described.
>When the "sleeping" DZ of the pair is at FIB 8 (or at 5), then the other DZ of the pair
must be also encreased acording to FIB with 2-3-5-8 etc....
>IF the "sleeping" DZ goes on to sleep and the other DZ of the pair is now at FIB 5,
THEN the THIRD DZ, which got no betting on it up to now, must be pulled behind also with FIB 1-2-3-5-8.
S E C U R E R U L E S :
Trigger Signal: One DZ/CL is sleeping 8 times
Bankroll / Chip size:
Chip = 1 usd/euro, Bankroll = 1000 usd/euro
Chip = 2 usd/euro, Bankroll = 2500 usd/euro
Chip = 5 usd/euro, Bankroll = 8000 usd/euro
Play only on European/French Roulette
ZERO: cover always with adequate sum, when betting sum on table encreases above 20 usd/euro
Fixed Winning Goal: 5-10% per daily session
Fixed Stop loss: 20%
Goal 1: Have 25-35 winning sessions altogether, then play with the house money
Goal 2: Increase your chip size and your monthly profit rate !!
>>> You will ALWAYS have more winning sessions in the weekly/monthly average!! :yahoo:
So have fun and enjoy the game!!!
Sincerely
ROLF :thumbsup:
Hello Bayes,
sent you a PM some hours ago...
Have a nice evening/day ALL,
wherever You are on this small planet. . .
Sincerely
ROLF
Thanks, Balthazar,
4 testing this strategy out etc. ...
Regarding your URL: It is not working
And sorry: I am not interested in buying roulette systems or strategies
I have my own two or three private strategies. They work for me and I always
have more winning then losing sessions in the weekly/monthly average.
Since one year I also have a complex roulette robot software (made by a dipl. programmer),
which wins in EVERY Daily session. This software cannot be sold, because the value is around 500k - 1000k.
YES, Roulette can be beaten, but only in short daily battles, without greed
and with control over your money, your casino time and your strategies (how to use it).
The HOLY GRAIL is:
IF YOU CAN lose IN CASINO WITHOUT BREAKING WITHIN, T H E N You can handle the
many short winning sessions and the few losing streaks also...
If you can not looose with dignity *, You will never be a real winner !!
Finish Your character and become a matured person and personality...
T H E N and only THEN you will be a real winner !!!
Thats all
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
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* Greg - Will I Loose My Dignity (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=JhWn41fqWNw#)
BlackPearl you said that you have the bot programmed by dipl. programmer.So you can give him to code this strategy.Have you done it or no?How many days you have played with this system?
Regards Thomas.
Hi BlackPearl,
thanks for sharing your nice method :thumbsup:
I have a question for you, in the first post you said
Quote5) When win on one of the chosen DZ/CL, switch back to basic bet: -1-
ok, do you switch back to basic bet regardless of the actual progression step ?
I mean let's suppose we were betting 1 unit on LD (last dozen) and 3 units on SD (sleeping dozen), LD hits and the result for this spin is -1, so we don't progress in our balance, we are supposed to switch back to basic bet anyway ?
thanks
lizard
Hello Lizard,
in Your example the next bet would be:
> bet again -1- on the LD (last dozen)
> bet -5- on the SD (sleeping dozen) according to FIB Prog
To go on with Your nice example:
If the LD hits again or the LD is changing:
>> bet -8- on the SD according to FIB Prog
>> encrease bet on (same or new) LD to -2-
If it goes on that way ( SD stays the same and LD is changing),
then you have to:
>>> start betting on the THIRD DZ also with FIB (1-2-3-5- variation)
This might be one of the very rare losing sessions with this strategy...
Stop Loss at 20-30% of bankroll !
Leave the casino with dignity*!!
Come again tomorrow as a winner !!!
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
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* Greg - Will I Loose My Dignity (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=JhWn41fqWNw#)
Hello, BlackPearl.
Thanks for sharing your method here.
I have a few questions about the start session trigger.
First, the rule has changed from 5 to 8 sleeps, why is this so?
Also, once a column or dozen has slept for 5/8 spins, do we commence the session immediately, or do we wait for the trigger col/doz to hit first before betting commences.
Finally, why is the trigger there at all? What is the reasoning/purpose of waiting x amount of sleeps before betting?
Thanks.
Quote from: bombus on May 18, 2010, 11:50:50 PM
Hello, BlackPearl.
Thanks for sharing your method here.
I have a few questions about the start session trigger.
First, the rule has changed from 5 to 8 sleeps, why is this so?
> It has NOT changed, this was only to show, that you can use 5 or 8 ...as you like
but please, do not mix that up with the Trigger Signal at the beginning of a daily session ( a DZ sleeps 5-8 times)
Also, once a column or dozen has slept for 5/8 spins, do we commence the session immediately, or do we wait for the trigger col/doz to hit first before betting commences.
> OK, sorry, you have mixed that up (see above)
Finally, why is the trigger there at all? What is the reasoning/purpose of waiting x amount of sleeps before betting?
>> There is only ONE Trigger Signal: One DZ/CL is sleeping 8 times . . . and this signal is only 4 the beginning of the daily session
> The other numbers ( 5, 8 ...) are related to the Fibonacci Progression line used with tis special Strategy.
They have nothing to do with any kind of trigger signals at the start of a session.
>> Please take your time to read the explanations again...
I am sorry, but I cannot explain it better in english language...
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Thanks.
Dear Friends and Colleges!!
A T T E N T I O N !!!
>> Have started to post IN THE OPENING THREAD my Daily Results :rtfm: from DUBLIN BETS, Table 1 + 2 !!
This will be an ongoing process for testing the strategy and as a discussion basis!!
Please excuse my bad english ... :punish:
Sincerely Yours
ROLF :thumbsup:
Hi Rolf,
Regarding your results:
QuoteDublinBet Live Casino Table 1 + 2
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DAY TIME BANKROLL RESULT
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5/15 30` 500.00 830.00
5/16 50` 500.00 790.00
5/17 60` 500.00 1168.00
5/18 35` 500.00 818.00
5/19 25` 500.00 710.00
5/20 35` 500.00 620.00
5/21 40` 500.00 615.00
Impressive. :thumbsup:
A point of clarification: I assume you're starting with a fresh bank each day? (from the table it seems that you are).
So on 5/15 your profit was 830 - 500 = 330
on 5/16 it was 790 - 500 = 290
on 5/17 is was 1168 - 500 = 668
Yes?
Y E P !!
ROLF :thumbsup:
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> Will open a separate thread for the ongoing results here later today!
A link to the STRATEGY will be in there also!
Have a nice weekend ALL,
wherever You are on this small planet !!
ROLF :pleasantry:
HERE is the Link
for the ongoing daily results on DUBLIN BETS Live Casino, Table 1 + 2 :
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/daily-live-results-the-blackpearl-d-dzcl-strategy/
Enjoy !!!
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
First, I would like to see your face if you will stubbornly bet on sleeping dozen the whole fib progression if the dozen sleeps for 25 spins? Secondly, the bankroll for a little pleasure is tooooooo high. If you lose $8000 bankroll you have to work for 6 months in mine to get it back.
Put here at least 30 spins real numbers example and play it your way to clear the confusion of many.
The strategy to bet on sleeping dozen until it wake up is not sound. Lost ammunition.
Hermes
Dear Hermes,
basically You are right, no discussion about that!
But please understand, that I have NEVER said, that there will
be ALWAYS winning sessions...
The scenarios, which You have described, ARE such loosing sessions.
This can and will occur from to time to time and we have to accept this.
But if You play with small basic bets and a bankroll, which is high enough
and this over a long time, then You can build up a good bankroll with "House money" etc. ...
I think, this is enough for the moment!
Btw, the numbers are all real (as you are), dear Hermes!
Sincerely Yours,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Pretty please can you post a session.....spin by spin. I am still confused as to exactly how to play. It seems very complicated. The only thing I understand is when to start. Need more clarity other than your session results.
Quote from: hermes on May 22, 2010, 06:45:43 PM
First, I would like to see your face if you will stubbornly bet on sleeping dozen the whole fib progression if the dozen sleeps for 25 spins? Secondly, the bankroll for a little pleasure is tooooooo high. If you lose $8000 bankroll you have to work for 6 months in mine to get it back.
Put here at least 30 spins real numbers example and play it your way to clear the confusion of many.
The strategy to bet on sleeping dozen until it wake up is not sound. Lost ammunition.
Hermes
From my understanding a stubborn sleeping dozen will only kill the progression if the other two dozens continue to chop in singles throughout the long sleep.... is this correct BlackPearl?
You are that right bombus! That's what I would be afraid if one dozen sleeps. Exactly that formation happens in 50% of the time. 3rd dozen snoring and 1st and 2nd dozens alternate for 10 or more spins. Happens all the time.
OK play 1st & 3rd dozen but if 3 losses in row switch to 1st & 2nd and bet it until hit.
Hermes
Yes, I'm still unsure as to how to use the progressions. :-\ It would be straightforward if you were always betting the same DZ/CL, but because you're switching all the time it's not clear to which DZ/CL you're referring when you talk about the 1st, 2nd and 3rd when starting the Fib at a higher step.
An example would clear up the confusion. :yes:
QuoteFirst, I would like to see your face if you will stubbornly bet on sleeping dozen the whole fib progression if the dozen sleeps for 25 spins?
This does happen of course, but it's not
that common. And as the stated progression only runs to 10 steps,
and you are increasing the stake on the sleeper (or is it the non-sleeper? - still confused) beyond a certain point (which acts as a form of damage limitation) then this serves to soften the blow when it occurs. And of course, it will. The only thing which matters is - does the system make a profit overall in the long term? not necessarily
every session.
Dear friends/colleges,
Here is the example, You have asked for ...:
BASIC RULES:
A) -1- = Basic Bet Unit, Your standard Chip size, should be as low as possible
B) 1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55 = Progression according Fibonacci Nb Line ( I don`t use 1,1,2,3, etc.)
This Prog is used first on the SD (Sleeping DZ), Later on the LD (Last DZ),
if needed also on the TD (Third DZ, can be pulled along later). Described below.
C) Bet always adequate sum on ZERO to cover it. Start here with -1- on ZERO,
when there are more then 15 usd/euro on the table. Enlarge, as needed.
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In our Example 1 we use the THIRD DZ as the SD (Sleeping DZ)
START SEQUENCE:
1) START SIGNAL for DAILY SESSION: One DZ (the THIRD ONE, 25-36) sleeps for 5-8 times
2) You place -1- on the SD and -1- on the LD
Here we go:
12
18
1
23
14
6
23
9
START SIGNAL: You place -1- on the SD ( 3rd) and -1- on the LD (1st)
19 -1- on LD (sec), -1- on SD (3rd), bet: -2- total loss, bilance: minus -2-
4 -1- on LD (sec), -2- on SD (3rd), bet: -3- total loss, bilance: minus -5-
3 -2- on LD (1st), -5- on SD (3rd), bet: -7- part loss, bilance: minus -6-
31 -1- on LD (1st), -8- on SD (3rd), bet: -9- Win bilance: plus -9-
RESET the BET:
Place again -1- on the SD and -1- on the LD
This will be -1- on SD (3rd, 31) and -1- on LD (sec, 19), see above numbers
Now you don`t need a Start Signal anymore for this daily session! - Just go on...
IMPORTANT: Stop at Winning goal or at your Stop Loss goal.
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I am sorry, cannot explain it better in English language...
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Thanks Rolf. :thumbsup:
BUT -
QuoteRESET the BET:
Place again -1- on the SD and -1- on the LD
This will be -1- on SD (3rd, 31) and -1- on LD (sec, 19), see above numbers
Doesn't the SD (the sleeping dozen) now become the 2nd dozen because it hasn't hit in the last 3 spins?
And the LD (last dozen) is now the third dozen isn't it? (because 31 was the last number to hit)
But you have it the other way around...
Yes Bayes, I think it's the other way around.
Anyway from the example we can see that each dozen pulls its own progression along seperately with a re-set of both progressions when an overall profit is reached, or win goal/stop loss is reached.
Dear Bayes,
I understand Your point, but I think....
You are pointing to the STARTING SIGNAL for the Daily Session!
quote:
START SEQUENCE:
1) START SIGNAL for DAILY SESSION: One DZ (the THIRD ONE, 25-36) sleeps for 5-8 times
After the ONE START SIGNAL for the Daily Session there is NO start signal anymore.
OK, You can use one, if you want, but this is your personal decision then...
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Dear Bombus,
You are very correct !
THX a lot for your contribution !!
ROLF :thumbsup:
Rolf,
Can I just clarify what you mean by the "SD"?
Is this the dozen/column which has hit least since you started the session OR the dozen which is "furthest back"?
In your example, at the reset point:
12
18
1
23
14
6
23
9
19
4
3
31 <= reset here. "Furthest back" dozen is now the second (no. 19).
If you interpret the SD as "furthest back" then at this point it is the second dozen. But if its the dozen which hit least since the session began, then it's the third dozen. But even if this last interpretation is the correct one, I still don't see why you have selected the LD as the second dozen, when the LD (the last dozen which hit) is 31, which is the 3rd dozen.
But then, this means that the SD and the LD are the same....
:'( :-\
Sorry... we'll get there in the end! :D
Communication can be difficult, even when people do speak the same language. Thanks for your patience.
The way I interpret it is this:
LD is the dozen just hit
SD is the farthest back dozen so:
13
23
31 - bet D3 and D2
2 - Loss. bet D1 and D2
16 - Win bet D2 and D3
32 - win bet D3 and D1
12 - win bet D1 and D2
19 - win bet D2 and D3
8 - Loss bet D1 and D3 (furthest back)
3 - win bet D1 and D3
33 - win bet D3 and D2
15 - win bet D2 and D1
12 - win etc etc
Not sure if this is right, let me know Black Pearl!
20
11 D1 AND D3
3 WIN D1 AND D3
30 WIN D3 AND D2
17 WIN D2 AND D1
29 LOSS D3 AND D1
0 LOSS
20 LOSS D2 AND D1
22 WIN D2 AND D1
29 WIN D3 AND D1
13 WIN D2 AND D1
6 WIN D1 AND D3
5 WIN D1 AND D3
11 WIN D1 AND D3
7 WIN D1 AND D3
15 LOSS D2 AND D3
9 LOSS D1 AND D3
14 LOSS D2 AND D3
7 LOSS D1 AND D3
16 LOSS D2 AND D3
12 LOSS D1 AND D3
35 WIN D3 AND D2
29 WIN D3 AND D2
16 WIN D2 AND D1
28 LOSS D3 AND D1
18 LOSS D2 AND D1
0 LOSS D2 AND D1
24 WIN D2 AND D1
11 WIN D1 AND D3
2 WIN D1 AND D3
6 WIN D1 AND D3
5 WIN D1 AND D3
19 LOSS D2 AND D3
15 WIN D2 AND D3
12 LOSS D1 AND D3
2 WIN D1 AND D3
34 WIN D3 AND D2
24 WIN D2 AND D1
16 WIN D2 AND D1
29 LOSS D3 AND D1
32 WIN D3 AND D1
17 LOSS D2 AND D1
7 WIN D1 AND D3
4 WIN D1 AND D3
3 WIN D1 AND D3
4 WIN D1 AND D3
19 LOSS D2 AND D3
11 LOSS D1 AND D3
10 WIN D1 AND D3
4 WIN D1 AND D3
7 WIN D1 AND D3
27 WIN D3 AND D2
28 WIN D3 AND D2
28 WIN D3 AND D2
8 LOSS D1 AND D2
26 LOSS D3 AND D2
27 WIN D3 AND D2
3 LOSS D1 AND D2
14 WIN D2 AND D3
26 WIN D3 AND D1
1 WIN D1 AND D2
LD = Last Dozen = the DZ, which was hit by the last ball (some seconds ago...)
SD = Sleeper Dozen = the DZ, which is lying back most/ farthest back . . .
Sorry, friends, but I have explained everything in detail. Please read it over again, it`s worth that work!
I can do/write it not better, because my mother language is german and I will not pay for a translator ...
btw, my english is not that bad...
Greetings
ROLF :punish:
Dear Buffalo,
congrats, you got it !!!
Please apply now:
1) adequate ZERO bet ( when more then 15 usd/euro are on the tableau)
2) the FIB Prog ( separate on both choosen DZ )
then it´s perfect... :thumbsup:
Please cooperate with Bayles a bit, because I am at my dead end now
with explaining this very effective and nice to play strategy!
THANKS greatly for Your understanding and patience!!!
Always Yours
ROLF :give_heart:
If Someone wants to talk through SKYPE about that Strategy,
my SKYPE name is: Infinitetruthkeeper
ROLF :good:
I'm ok at understanding systems and testing them. Its the profit/loss I'm not too great with.
I can't work out if the above session would have ended in profit...any ideas?
QuoteI can't work out if the above session would have ended in profit...any ideas?
Since your longest losing run was only 6, I'm guessing it would have been profitable.
Thanks again for your patience Rolf. :)
To code a system you need to think like a computer - ie; very stupid. ;D
I wouldn't want to misinterpret the system and then declare it a loser after coding it. I'd prefer to get it right, and
then declare it a loser. :lol:
Just kidding.
BTW, please keep posting your results. Still waiting for that losing session... :blink:
Quote from: Bayes on May 23, 2010, 01:17:45 PM
Since your longest losing run was only 6, I'm guessing it would have been profitable.
Thanks again for your patience Rolf. :)
To code a system you need to think like a computer - ie; very stupid. ;D
I wouldn't want to misinterpret the system and then declare it a loser after coding it. I'd prefer to get it right, and then declare it a loser. :lol:
Just kidding.
Looking forward to your results when its coded Bayes
Thanks, dear Bayes and Buffalo !!!
The FIB prog normally guarantees a profitable outcome of most sessions,
in order that you will have more winning then losing sessions in the weekly/monthly average !!!
Thats all, what we need, isn`t it ?
---------------------------------
Would You like to have something to laugh on and to relax ?
Read :rtfm: my short comment here (last page atm... posting 72) :
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/if-progressions-don%27t-beat-the-house-edge-what-good-are-they/60/
ROLF :good:
Quote from: BlackPearl on May 23, 2010, 06:00:21 AM
START SIGNAL: You place -1- on the SD ( 3rd) and -1- on the LD (1st)
19 -1- on LD (sec), -1- on SD (3rd), bet: -2- total loss, bilance: minus -2-
4 -1- on LD (sec), -2- on SD (3rd), bet: -3- total loss, bilance: minus -5-
3 -2- on LD (1st), -5- on SD (3rd), bet: -7- part loss, bilance: minus -6-
31 -1- on LD (1st), -8- on SD (3rd), bet: -9- Win bilance: plus -9-
RESET the BET:
Place again -1- on the SD and -1- on the LD
This will be -1- on SD (3rd, 31) and -1- on LD (sec, 19), see above numbers
Now you don`t need a Start Signal anymore for this daily session! - Just go on...
IMPORTANT: Stop at Winning goal or at your Stop Loss goal.
==================================================
I am sorry, cannot explain it better in English language...
Sincerely,
ROLF[/color] :thumbsup:
The only confusion of mine is when you reset. The new Sleeping Dozen you said in your example is (3rd 31) ?
And the new Last Dozen is (sec 19) ?
I think that is wrong on BOTH ....... yes?
Should it be SD: 2nd dozen LD: 1st dozen
Anybody?
Dear Keel & Friends,
here is an live number example from yesterday:
DUBLIN BET Table 1 26-05-2010
=========================
34
1
9
20
35 (x2)
23
25
7
__________________________________________________________________________
2 (x1) --> START Session: Bankroll = 908.00, Basic Bet 5.00 (-1-) = -1- on DZ1 (x1) and: -1- on DZ3 (x2)
13
1
27
19
23
8
0
26
14
20
18
28
14
20
18
29
16
35
29
2
27
33
17
31
5
0
22
4
34
1
36
11
6
5
2
18
33
23
6
------------------------------
17 --> Switch to Table 2
15
14
19 (x1) --> START OVER here : -1- on DZ 2 (x1) and: -1- on DZ 3 (x2 = not seen here)
3
20
30
_______________________________________
STOP Daily Session, Bankroll result: 1032.00
Just to ask again :
Come on, Ladies !!!
Where are You ? :give_rose:
And where are the Masters of the (Roulette) Universe ? :aikido:
Y E S I KNOW, there WILL be looosing sessions . . .
We don`t have to discuss this over and over...
But in the AVERAGE (weekly and monthly) You WILL be in Profit !!
Interested ?
Or do You play Roulette as a kind of sado maso trip :spiteful: (nice, you can keep your clothes on ...)
or for whatever :superstition: reasons ? You --> :o :haha: <-- Me
Ooh, You get paid for visiting roulette forums :yes: and reading/writing there :yes:...
... Now I understand !! :agree:
Interesting points, ha ?
Find You later...
ROLF --> :punish: <-- You
Aaaah, please go on, I love to feel the pain . . .
Your example game is more confusing then ever. I know it takes some time, but you need to say what you are doing EVERY step of the way. And why?
please
keel
Hello,
When win[/u] on one of the chosen DZ/CL, switch back to basic bet: -1- / -1-
i understand this my friend.
but
1)when u play LD and FD and imagine u lose on each. What u do exactly? u use fibonnacci on both Dozens?
2)you play LD and FD and one lose but other win. what you do exactly? you use fibonnacci on this one lose? if it is LD who lose, you continue use fibonnacci according to every spin for last dozen who come? i mean you dont use fibonnacci always on same dozen, but you change to suit with last Dozen who come?
i hope my english is not so bad for you understand me :)
Thanks you and great post.
Hello Keel and Snoowly,
OK, I will prepare an example, which covers all your questions!
THX for Your interest and patience !!!
Sincerely
ROLF :thumbsup:
Thanks You BlackPearl.
I dont ask you because I am lazy of read. I did some hundred time and I post now because your system seem
interesting with great idea and still I didnt understand about my previous post.
Anyway Thanks you for your patience with us and we dont need one long example, just when start exact fibonnacci, what dozen, if in example, you writte bet 1, is not possible know is second step of fibonnaci 1 1 3 . . . we can think it is normal bet. . . I stop because I dont wish crazy you.
I will study your example. thanks you one time more.
ps: ahh, when u say: play on third column (or dozen) (rarely) it means we are playing 3 colums (or dozen) in same time? (with fibonnaci increase independant on every dozen or column) ?
Quote from: snoowly on June 04, 2010, 07:16:12 AM
Thanks You BlackPearl.
I dont ask you because I am lazy of read. I did some hundred time and I post now because your system seem
interesting with great idea and still I didnt understand about my previous post.
Anyway Thanks you for your patience with us and we dont need one long example, just when start exact fibonnacci, what dozen, if in example, you writte bet 1, is not possible know is second step of fibonnaci 1 1 3 . . . we can think it is normal bet. . . I stop because I dont wish crazy you.
I will study your example. thanks you one time more.
ps: ahh, when u say: play on third column (or dozen) (rarely) it means we are playing 3 colums (or dozen) in same time? (with fibonnaci increase independant on every dozen or column) ?
Hello Snoowly,THANKS for being so engaged here!
I understand the small understanding problems with this strategy,
because it is not a common used one...
Before I will post the Example, here are some points to use for better understanding:
1. Bet always on 2 DZ or 2 CL at the same time
2. Bet always on the LD (Last Dozen) and the FD or SD ( Farthest or the Sleeper DZ).
3. When You START: Bet always basic bet, which is -1-/-1-
4. When You WIN: Reset always
both DZ/CL to Basic Bet -1-/-1-
5. When You lose on
both DZ/CL: Increase always bet on the SD according to FIB Line
do
not encrease bet on both of the DZ/CL. FIB on this strategy is here: 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55
6. When You go on with losing: Bet according to point 5. -- Other DZ stays at -1-.
7. When your bet on SD reaches chip size 8, then encrease second DZ also according to FIB.
8. When your bet on SD reaches chip size 13,
then also start to bet on the THIRD DZ according to FIB.
IMPORTANT: You bet
simultanously on Double DZ or Double CLs, but You use the FIB Progression
separated on each of the DZ/CLs !!
That`s the key for the success of this nice and effective strategy!! (maybe the most important one ....)
So You will always have more winning sessions than looosing sessions in the monthly / weekly average!!!
Enjoy Your testing -- You will during You tests find out how to use that strategy flexible and successful!
Sincerely,
ROLF
Is the FIB line the same for both SD and LD?
The LD FIB line tails behind. You only increase when the SD gets to 8 or was it 5?
SD: 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55
LD: 1 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21
3D: - - - - - 1 2 3 5
Is this what you are saying? Do you really bet on 3 dozens at once?
Help me understand.
Quote from: keel44 on June 04, 2010, 01:33:12 PM
Is the FIB line the same for both SD and LD?
Yes, always.
The LD FIB line tails behind. You only increase when the SD gets to 8 or was it 5?
I start to increase the bet on the LD, when the SD reached an 8 Unit bet.
And when your bet on SD reaches chip size 13, then also start to bet on the THIRD DZ according to FIB.
SD: 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55
LD: 1 1 1 1 2 3 5 8 13
3D: - - - - - 1 2 3 5
Is this what you are saying? Do you really bet on 3 dozens at once?
Yes, but only, when the SD is sleeping longer...
And the FIB is always used separated on each DZ/CL.
Help me understand.
Done :thumbsup:
now i understand perfect i think.
i will give one try again but in better way with your help.
thanks you for your patience
i will post my results and opinion :)
O.K. Thank You. I understand pretty good now. I just need confirmation about when to reset.
Do you reset ALL progressions back to basic bet of -1- only when your at a new profit? Because you could get a partial win, and your balance still be negative....do you continue increasing the other one?
Quote from: keel44 link=topic=16223. msg110739#msg110739 date=1275671944
O. K. Thank You. I understand pretty good now. I just need confirmation about when to reset.
Do you reset ALL progressions back to basic bet of -1- only when your at a new profit? Because you could get a partial win, and your balance still be negative. . . . do you continue increasing the other one?
Kael, i come back here because i have same question than you :D
u are playing progression fibonnacci on SD and before u will arrive step with 8 chips, imagine u win on LD with one chip bet. u are not in profit because u put very much chips on SD with fibonnaci and this SD didnt win. but anyway, u reset? i mean before you start one new independant progression on LD (because we will be in step with 8 chips on it)
After a first loss, and increasing the stake on the SD, if the ball hits the LD (on which you have 1 unit) there's no need to up the stake on the SD, because you break even, but if the SD (on which you have 2 units) is hit you still make a nice profit. It all balances out in the end but it's a slightly more conservative way of playing.
Quote from: keel44 on June 04, 2010, 02:19:04 PM
O.K. Thank You. I understand pretty good now. I just need confirmation about when to reset.
Do you reset ALL progressions back to basic bet of -1- only when your at a new profit?
Yes, ALL progression will be resetted back to -1-/-1-, when profit is on new overall hight !
Because you could get a partial win, and your balance still be negative....do you continue increasing the other one?
Yes, when there is a partial win and my balance is still negative, the running (current) bet will be encreased furtheron according to the strategy rules posted above!
Again: THX greatly 4 Your engagement, Keely and Snow!
Always Yours
ROLF :thumbsup:
that's clear in my mind now :) thanks all
Ah and of course we can start one progression with LD instead SD? when we lose first time with initial bet
because sometimes, one dozen sleeps very long time and the way to start progression on LD maybe can prevent little bit to have one sleeper dozen very long with progression on it.
i know, you will say to me the same event can happen with LD and can alternate all time and never 2 time the same dozen. . so. . . i dont know. i will keep your rules :)
Hello Snoowly,
You will love the strategy more and more by spending some
time on doing exercise on it...
ENJOY and have a nice weekend!!!
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
tHANKS YOU
I think I got it .
just for be sure, if we start second independant progression on LD, and we have one partial hit on it, we reset bet to 1 for this LD and let same bet on SD, it it right?
we do this until we are in total profit? this will happen only when SD will come (this is DOZEN we have most chip) but because we dont increase fibonnacci on SD when LD win, progression dont go up so fast, it is right again?
;)
Quote from: snoowly on June 06, 2010, 01:42:20 PM
tHANKS YOU
I think I got it .
just for be sure, if we start second independant progression on LD, and we have one partial hit on it, we reset bet to 1 for this LD and let same bet on SD, it it right?
Yes, because you are always in overall profit, when you increase your bet according to FIB on the SD, and it hits on it later!
So, when you are in overall profit again (after the last hit), please reset to Basic Bet -1-/-1-
we do this until we are in total profit? this will happen only when SD will come (this is DOZEN we have most chip) but because we dont increase fibonnacci on SD when LD win, progression dont go up so fast, it is right again?
Example: When the ball hits on the LD and chip size on LD is at -2-, then you can go on betting with the Basic Bet for the next spin again (you reset to that).
;)
HI,
I am not sure if this was discussed here before.
Let me just say that betting on allTHREE dozens at tha same time is a total nonsense.
Just take this example.
1 unit on first dozen
2 units on second dozen
3 units on third dozen.
if first dozen win, you losse 3 units.
if second dozen wins, you brake even
if third dozen wins, you gain 3 units
Right?
Now. If you take off one unit on each dozen.
0 unit on first
1 unit on second, and
2 units on third.
If first dozen wins, you loose 3 units (same as before)
If second dozen wins, you brake even (same as before)
if third dozen wins, you gains 3 units (same as before)
BUT!!!!!!!!!
If 0 comes, you loose 3 units in the second example INSTEAD of 6 units in the first example. That is why betting on alll three dozens is simply ludicrous.
I cannot believe people cannot see this extremely basic fact...
Insider
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=16223.msg111147#msg111147 date=1275862394
HI,
I am not sure if this was discussed here before.
Let me just say that betting on allTHREE dozens at tha same time is a total nonsense.
Just take this example.
1 unit on first dozen
2 units on second dozen
3 units on third dozen.
if first dozen win, you losse 3 units.
if second dozen wins, you brake even
if third dozen wins, you gain 3 units
Right?
Now. If you take off one unit on each dozen.
0 unit on first
1 unit on second, and
2 units on third.
If first dozen wins, you lose 3 units (same as before)
If second dozen wins, you brake even (same as before)
if third dozen wins, you gains 3 units (same as before)
BUT!!!!!!!!!
If 0 comes, you lose 3 units in the second example INSTEAD of 6 units in the first example. That is why betting on alll three dozens is simply ludicrous.
I cannot believe people cannot see this extremely basic fact...
Insider
Of course you're right Insidebet. It's called differential betting. Anyone who has studied roulette for any length of time should be aware that you never play both E.C.'s, all 3 doz or col, etc... for lines, streets, corners, splits, etc... That zero can eat up a lot of wasted chips. To reduce all three doz or col until the smallest bet =0 is a very simple mental exercise.
I've been reading these posts from the beginning and I'm still not sure anyone except the BlackPearl understands the system perfectly. If someone does, could you please post the rules and a session that show's all the pertinent decisions that need to be made. Use made up spins only for the purpose of teaching, not proving whether or not the system works.
BlackPearl, your English is good for basic conversation, but when explaining detailed strategies like this one, an unfamiliar use of a word here and there can cause a lot of confusion as you can tell from all the same questions being asked over and over again.
Thanks for sharing you system. Your results are very, very impressive. How often do you encounter a losing session? How many winning sessions does it take to recover from a loss?
Don't give up on us, George
Yes he plays all 3 dozens at once, but it is a fairly rare case that he does. This is a hedge type system. The main aspect for the success of this strategy is to win on the sleeper dozen. The other two dozens keep you alive a little longer until the big win comes on the sleeper dozen. He also mentions you play the zero when you have a lot on the table.
That 3rd dozen and the last dozen could catch fire and the sleeper dozen progression could climb higher and higher, BUT you do NOT reset any of the progressions until your balance is at a new high point. You continue to lose money but at a slower pace until that sleeper hits.
Quote from: BlackPearl link=topic=16223. msg110717#msg110717 date=1275656249
4. When You WIN: Reset always both DZ/CL to Basic Bet -1-/-1-
You are sure this is correct Rolf ?
Example:
You lose many time consecutive (LD and SD doesn't hits) so you have one progression on SD (1 2 3 5 8. . . . . . . . . )
SD is at step 8 Chips so You start one progression on LD (bet -2-) on it
and. . . . next spin. . . . LD hits. . .
accordingly to your point 4, you will reset both because you win but in reality, if i understand well, you have to reset only LD to bet -1- but keep same bet -8- on SD , no?
I will try to post one example step by step today.
Sincerely, Snooly :)
Quoteaccordingly to your point 4, you will reset both because you win but in reality, if I understand well, you have to reset only LD to bet -1- but keep same bet -8- on SD , no?
As I understand it, a WIN means that the SD has hit. When this happens (and only then) you reset both. If the LD hits it's only a 'partial' win, and you continue to increase stakes on the SD, or in some cases you can leave things as they are in order to conserve the bank.
I'm sure Rolf will correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: Bayes link=topic=16223. msg111190#msg111190 date=1275894981
As I understand it, a WIN means that the SD has hit. When this happens (and only then) you reset both. If the LD hits it's only a 'partial' win, and you continue to increase stakes on the SD, or in some cases you can leave things as they are in order to conserve the bank.
I'm sure Rolf will correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks you Bayes for your help too and i understand what u are saying.
POINT 1: yes, but if LD hits continuously, and if every spin, we increase SD, loses will become bigger spin after spin because we have to subtract chips on SD every spin. so I understand we have to increase amount on SD just when both lose. If LD hit, we not increase SD.
this because if we don't increase SD when LD hits, loses are smaller spin after spin if LD hits continuously.
but after some continuous hits on LD (4 or 5) if SD hits, we will not be in profit but in minus depends how long time LD hits continuously (i think is one bad session when this happens)
POINT 2: After, still I don't understand if we need to reset fibonacci on LD when LD hits. fibonnaci on SD, deppend of my question to point 1 and your bayes.
Maybe I am idiot but it is so difficult be sure have understood well :s
Quote from: Bayes link=topic=16223. msg110765#msg110765 date=1275679741
After a first loss, and increasing the stake on the SD, if the ball hits the LD (on which you have 1 unit) there's no need to up the stake on the SD, because you break even, but if the SD (on which you have 2 units) is hit you still make a nice profit. It all balances out in the end but it's a slightly more conservative way of playing.
In this post Bayes, you are saying we dont need increase SD when LD hits. . .
i am really confused about way of play this method now but i think it is correct and we dont have to increase SD when LD hits, and same, dont reset LD to bet -1- if LD hits because, it means we have one progression on SD and if we reset LD if LD hits, we will lose very much chips on SD when LD hits.
this is what i understand
Dear GLC, Insidebet and friends,
as it always was... and will always be: The One, who can read :rtfm:, is in big advantage !
Everything was explained here and in the other thread in every detail, but . . .
Here we go again:
1) I DO NOT bet on all three DZ or CL at the same time !! The only exeption is point 5 below...
2) I bet on TWO DZ or CL and my My Basic Bet (Staring bet) is always -1-/-1-
3) When the SD is going on to sleep, I am encreasing the bet on the SD according to FIB
( here: 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55 ...)
4) When the bet on the SD reaches -8-, then the bet on the second DZ will encreased also to 2, 3, 5, etc...
So you see, the bets (or the progressions) are made SEPARATE on each DZ now.... = Key Factor!
5) When the bet on the SD reaches -13-, THEN the THIRD DZ will be included in the current betting round
and the bet on the THIRD DZ will also be 1-2-3-5-8-13 ...
6) When the Ball hits the SD and we are in new overall profit, then the next bet will be a reset One, starting again
on -1-/-1- as the new Basic Bet.
I am not healthy atm, but when I am better, I will ( maybe) post a step by step guide here...
Have a good day ALL!!
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Dear GLC ( George),
I am sorry, but I didn`t had any looosing sessions till now... :nono:
Still waiting for the first to hit me !
Normally I would expect ( in average) ONE Looosing session after five winning sessions,
but as You see, it can work better also.
When there is a looosing session ( 20% loss of bankroll) and I have a winning goal of 10% (in average),
it will need three winning sessions to recover ...
And again, Sorry: Everything posted here is real !
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Blackpearl,
Yes I understood that you bet on all three dozens only under condition # 5. But still... it is an absolute nonsense to do so. To say otherwise doesnot do you a great deal of good.
Let me put another way. Would anybody with a healthy brain bet on all 36 numbers??? Of course not! You cannot posssibly win and only loose if 0 comes.
Well, betting on all three dozens at the same time is doing exactly that.
DonT tell me that you bet more on some of the dozens. It still makes absolutely no sense.
Just trying to help by stating what should be very obious.
Insider
Hello Insidebet !
I will only answer You ONE time...
1. You say, this is nonsense.... Ok !
2. You cannot explain, WHY You make such a weak statement :nono:
3. Your pseudo arguments are giving NO information for others at all to make decisions or understand :nono:
Listen, my friend: In my case, I would NEVER be so rude and arrogant to tell someone,
his strategy is nonsense, when I am not able to PROVE my own statements....
So we come to a conclusion:
Fact: I am delivering the PROOF :rtfm: for the fact, that my Strategy IS working (through explanations and LIVE tests).
Fact: You have done NOTHING at all: NO explanations, NO proof for your statements ( no LIVE tests for the failure of my strategy etc.)
I think, You are abit overworked OR You are a casino agent, :punish: who is paid for visiting Gambling forums
to use pseudo arguments and stupid discussions in order to bring the good strategies down...
>>> SO NOW YOU HAVE TO PROOF TWO THINGS AND MAKE THINGS CLEAR FOR US HERE !!!
1. Deliver the proof for Your statements
2. Deliver the proof, that You are no casino industry agent
We will wait for that proofs patiently... Oooh Yes, we will wait... wait ... wait and wait . . .
Someone, who is calling others "braindead", should use his brain in a better way like you have done ! :blink: :haha:
IF You return here, then ONLY WITH facts :rtfm: and proof of your statements !!!
Otherwise stay away and post your destructive and negative thougts where they belong.
I will never answer to such or similar postings again -- it simply makes no sense and it is a waste of time !
Sincerely,
ROLF :good:
Blackpearl: The only thing I don't understand is what you do when LD is hit.
Imagine that you start a session lose a few times and SD has increased to 8.
If now LD is hit you are not in profit. Do you reset both LD and SD anyway or do you continue to increase SD?
Regards.
Christian.
Quote from: Christianjn on June 08, 2010, 05:49:13 AM
Blackpearl: The only thing I don't understand is what you do when LD is hit.
When the LD was hit, we are reducing losses with that smaller win...
In this case we DO NOT reset both bets to -1-/-1- , which is the Basic Bet.
Imagine that you start a session lose a few times and SD has increased to 8.
If now LD is hit you are not in profit. Do you reset both LD and SD anyway or do you continue to increase SD?
In this case there is NO RESET and the bet on the SD will be encreased according to FIB and the strategy described !
Regards.
Christian.
Black pearl I recognise your writing signature.
were you previously registered as no more bets? your english has also rapidly improved quite recently.
I normallly avoid these debates but you spammed my posts when I was previously registered as element.
i lkie your cape.
that strong be with you :)
I Hope u feel better first.
I come to you with LAST question about your system. promise
Blackpearl: The only thing I don't understand is what you do when LD is hit.
When the LD was hit, we are reducing losses with that smaller win. . .
In this case we DO NOT reset both bets to -1-/-1- , which is the Basic Bet.
We dont reset both bet, OK! I m right and understand this.
LD hits. we have 2 chips on it, or 3 or 5 or 8,..... we reset to -1- on LD?
or we keep current bet on LD and continue play with chips on LD and Chips on SD?
You say we dont reset Both bets to -1-/-1- if LD hits, but never u say if we have to reset LD bet to -1- if this last one hits and if there is one progression on it.
Dont be angry because I always ask you this but this in only thing you dont answer each time I asked explanation for it in all my posts.
Thanks youuu and wish you will feel better and strongly with your health.
Olivier
Quote from: elemen2 on June 08, 2010, 06:15:30 AM
Black pearl I recognise your writing signature.
That`s nice ... ;)
were you previously registered as no more bets?
No, Sorry, my Dear! One or two years ago I was registered as "GreyOwl" here, but as nothing else...
your english has also rapidly improved quite recently.
Thanks for the flowers !! :give_rose:
I normallly avoid these debates but you spammed my posts when I was previously registered as element.
I never spam around... nowhere
I lkie your cape.
? ? ?
Quote from: snoowly on June 08, 2010, 06:31:14 AM
that strong be with you :)
I Hope u feel better first.
I come to you with LAST question about your system. promise
Blackpearl: The only thing I don't understand is what you do when LD is hit.
When the LD was hit, we are reducing losses with that smaller win. . .
In this case we DO NOT reset both bets to -1-/-1- , which is the Basic Bet.
We dont reset both bet, OK! I m right and understand this.
LD hits. we have 2 chips on it, or 3 or 5 or 8,..... we reset to -1- on LD?
YES, please always reduce the current bet on a DZ to -1- after a hit on it!
> Does not matter, which DZ was hit, reset to -1- always.
IF the SD was hit, there is ALWAYS an OVERALL new profit balance reached,
so in this case You can reset BOTH DZ to -1-/-1- in this case.
or we keep current bet on LD and continue play with chips on LD and Chips on SD?
Again: please always reduce the current bet on a DZ to -1- after a hit on it!
You say we dont reset Both bets to -1-/-1- if LD hits
Yes, only reset LD then, not both,
but never u say if we have to reset LD bet to -1- if this last one hits and if there is one progression on it.
IF there is a progression on the SD and the ball hits --> reset BOTH DZ
> IF there is a hit on the LD, when there was NO progression on it before, STAY with -1- on it...
> IF there is a hit on the LD and there IS already a progression on it, reset to -1- always after the hit!
Answered now ?
:dance1: :agree:
Dont be angry because I always ask you this but this in only thing you dont answer each time I asked explanation for it in all my posts.
This was not done by purpose -- Sorry ! :no:
Thanks youuu and wish you will feel better and strongly with your health.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!!
Olivier
:thumbsup:
U answered perfectly :)
Nothing to say more... :smile:
Have a good day ! I will be able explain other if there is some Questions :)
Quote from: snoowly on June 08, 2010, 07:03:17 AM
:thumbsup:
U answered perfectly :)
Nothing to say more... :smile:
Have a good day ! I will be able explain other if there is some Questions :)
It was a pleasure to serve You ! :hi:
Sincerely,
ROLF :good:
BP,
I have been testing this for a while and have been having phenomenal success on paper. Sometimes I use Hermes suggestion to switch between LD/SD to Last two Dozens. I use a standard 2:1 martingale for 12 steps (1-1-2-3-4-6-9-14-21-31-47-70). This doesn't win as much when the SD hits, but still wins enough. I switch back and forth between bet selections after every 4 losses in a row. This gives me 12 chances and 2 changes of bet selection before a major loss. So far so good.
I'm still scratching my head as to why this wins so well. Up to now I'm winning at over half a unit per spin which isn't bad for dozens only. I'm starting to test this by playing both dozens and columns and if at any win I am ahead overall, I reset both dozens and columns at the same time. This reduces units won per spin but is somewhat safer.
A big loss must be coming soon. If not, I'm going to have to go down to the local casino and see if it holds up when real money starts changing hands.
Cheers, George
Hello George,
THANKS for Your reply and for Your very interesting contribution !!!
I have also tried different prog step variations, but I am always returning to the one described here in the Topic.
One question:
Why do you calculate with a major loss? --- Is this necessary ?
Yes, it can happen, but I think, only, if You do not use a StopLoss border of 20, 25 or 30% of Your bankroll...
IF Yo limit Your time in the casino, Your winning goal set at 10% and a StopLoss, what can happen?
Four or five looosing session in a row? --- I don`t think so...
Even if this would happen, which would be the GTA (greatest thinkable accident):
In my case it would be only the loss of the house money...
What do You think ? :scratch_ones_head:
Have a good day, my friend!
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Blackpearl,
Please read what I write correctly before you get red in the face...
1- I never said your system is nonsense. I only said that betting on all three dozens at the same time is. (Under condition 5)
2-Saying that betting on all three dozen is a complete nonsense is NOT a weak statement, as you put it. It is the MOST BASIC FACT anyone who has ever played roulette for REAL should know!
3-I already proved that doing so is idiotic, to use a polite word. Please read reply # 65 on June 6 and reply 74 on June 7. You obiously did not pay attention to those post. Now it is your turn to prove what I wrote on post 65 is wrong...
4- Your live test are no proof at all. I already tested your thing some 5000 spins and it well at first, but tanked miserably later.
5- My statements are not "negative" as you put it. Just trying to teach a bit of the most elementary math to some who obviously don't have a clue.
Insider.
PS I am one the very few here that have made some decent money playing this game.
Quote from: BlackPearl on June 08, 2010, 06:45:02 PM
Hello George,
THANKS for Your reply and for Your very interesting contribution !!!
I have also tried different prog step variations, but I am always returning to the one described here in the Topic.
One question:
Why do you calculate with a major loss? --- Is this necessary ?
Yes, it can happen, but I think, only, if You do not use a StopLoss border of 20, 25 or 30% of Your bankroll...
IF Yo limit Your time in the casino, Your winning goal set at 10% and a StopLoss, what can happen?
Four or five looosing session in a row? --- I don`t think so...
Even if this would happen, which would be the GTA (greatest thinkable accident):
In my case it would be only the loss of the house money...
What do You think ? :scratch_ones_head:
Have a good day, my friend!
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
BP,
What I mean by major loss is to lose a whole progression as listed in my post which is a total of 209 units less any buffering by small wins along the way. So far I haven't even gotten close. I don't know if I will ever bring in the 3rd line of bets because I don't really understand their function. If I ever get far enough behind to bring on the bets on the 3rd dozen/column, I'll test it and see what difference it would have made or not.
Losing 209 units every now and then is a big hit, but I think that all the wins along the way should still leave me with a nice profit.
G.
Hello "Inside" !
As I said before: Normally I would not answer again,
but for the sake of members here to benfit from this Strategy,
I want to make some short statements:
1. I am covering ZERO also with adequate bet, OK ? So no losses on ZERO !
2. If such a Strategy is tested over more than 1000 spins, 5000 or however,
it always will lose!
REASON: IF YOU DO NOT KNOW, WHEN TO STOP, GO HOME and leave the casino
with Your winnings, IT IS YOUR FAULT... Stupid long testing says nothing about this Strategy!
3. LIVE TESTING and LIVE RESULTS is the only reliable method to test any strategy !!!
Endless simulations don`t help at all. This is like the so called "Backtesting" in Forex Trading. Worth nothing.
4. Where are Your Strategies posted on the Forum? Where are Your ongoing LIVE Results ?
IF You present something of similar quality here, You are welcome here again...
I WILL NEVER criticise Your strategies or Your results... Why should I ?
So, my friend, IF You can handle Point 4, then You can return here again...
Nobody will listen to You, if You are not capable of this !
That`s all
ROLF
Blachpearl and others,
I too will post this for the benefits of others because you simply don't understand anything I'm saying.
1-As I said, I am a long term winner, flatbetting. I posted the method some three years ago and I won't mention it again.
2-Betting on all three dozens AND covering 0 is even more ludicrous!
Stop posturing and think about it for more than half a second! There is one, AND ONLY ONE, way you are 100% sure to lose some money on a spin. Yes my friend! It is to bet all 36 numbers (or all 3 dozens) and 0. If you do this, you 100% sure to lose 1 unit per spin. And please don't tell me you bet more on some dozens than others. Read Reply # 65. Why don't you tell what you think about this?
(By the way, this has nothing to do with me wanting to be right at all cost. I have better things to do.)
3-I don't criticise your efforts. Good on you for trying so hard. But when I know for certain that something is fundamentaly wrong, I feel I'm contributing by giving my opinion.
4- You don't agree with longtime nonstop testing. There has been a lot of discussions about this. I know that if you test one continuous session of 10 000 spins or 200 sessions of 50 spins, the results will be very similar. You can disagree on this, but if you do the test you will see for yourself.
Playing short sessions is relying on good timing which is essentially luck.
5- As of your point #4, I will post another winner here if (big IF) and when I have a long term winner flatbetting. I can post 100 methods tomorow that will win on the short term and come crashing down once the progression hits a session from hell. What would the point of that? Will I gain your respect for presenting 100 losers?
Regards,
Insibet (The only way, trust me on that)
Someone, who cannot write his name or the name of others correctly,
how can this man give advice about anything ? :nono:
> So again, no proofs from your side, Inslimebed ... ?
> No strategy for us, no live results ?
> Only pseudo-intelligent blah blah ?
> Only promises ?
I am sorry... but . . . :blink: :haha:
Is that really ALL ? :sarcastic:
Bye Bye, my friend
Please leave this thread --- Thank You!
__________________________________________
You know all, what will happen now :
Rolf --> :punish: <-- Inslimebed
Blackpearl,
Where is my response to reply # 65???? Still waiting...
So I forgot to type a couple of letters in in Insidebet. Big deal! At least I know basic math you idiot.
You want to give advice on how to play and you insist on telling everyone that it is a good thing to bet on all 36 numbers and 0 on top. And you call ME an idiot???
I am finish trying to make sense with a caveman.
Insidebet
Rolf,
I respectfully believe that insidebet made some valid points here. I don't see anything "negative" in that, quite the opposite.
Now here's a question:
What's the difference between:
- Betting €200 on Dozen 1, €180 on Dozen 2, €170 on Dozen 3, and €15 on Zero.
and:
- Betting €30 on Dozen 1, €10 on Dozen 2, €0 on Dozen 3, and €1 on Zero.
The answer is: Not much. In terms of expected return/loss, they're almost the same because the difference is the same (ever heard of "differential betting"?). Your bets on all dozens cancel each other. It doesn't work flatbetting, and the fibo progression + discipline won't render a losing bet selection into a winning one, or we all wouldn't need day jobs.
This isn't "pseudo-intelligence", just simple facts. :)
Sorry if that upsets you or something..
Thanks for coming to my rescue, Noble Savage! Just could not get through to him.
I know the feeling: once you get upset with someone, it is very hard to listen.
Peace everyone!
Insider
Inside & Noble !
OK... Sorry 4 becoming a bit upset....
I can see Your good intentions ! :thumbsup:
Anyway:
> Both of you have NOT really understood the way, this special strategy is used.
> Both of you have NOT noticed the small, but very effective details, which makes the
difference related to the common strategies, You are criticising with full rights...
Please take time to study :rtfm: this strategy, it can also be combined with other proven strategies
to switch at the fitting time during a longer session...
I know that You know that I know...
I definitely know, that You know this really !!
So we conclude: WE KNOW, what we are speaking about. . . . I hope so...
Please don`t forget my LIVE RESULT Topic here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/daily-live-results-the-blackpearl-d-dzcl-strategy/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/daily-live-results-the-blackpearl-d-dzcl-strategy/)
Life is Life. . . na nah na na na . . . LIVE is LIVE . . . na nah na na na...
ENJOY: youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI&feature=related
Have a good day All!
Sincerely
ROLF :good:
I think for the sake of being easy to play. He does not want to use differential betting. It can be difficult to calculate what your bets need to be, once it gets higher up on these progressions. Each dozen has their own progression anyway.
When the SD has 13
The LD has 3......AND
The 3rd D has 1
How would you do that differential betting?
I would say SD 10 ...... LD 2 ........ 3rd D = 0 ????? I don't know, but if the SD hit, you would win less. That really is the point. Winning on that SD.
Now if the LD hits, I would continue on with the progression all the way around, not reset the LD like BlackPearl suggests. If the 3rd dozen hits, you lose 14. The differential method you lose only 12.
The real aim here is to get a hit on that SD. If the LD catches fire, and you don't reset it, you can hang around longer until the SD strikes. When it does, your profits will be higher than you thought. Adding the 3rd D later means that if you get a hit on the 3rd D, that now becomes the LD. Which now takes over the LD progression.
You lose on this method only if the 3rd D and LD keep alternating and the SD never comes.
Are we clear?
Keel 44,
In your example, you would be betting 12 on SD, 2 on LD and nothing on third.
No matter how you cut it you are better off doing so.
Again, and for the x th time, would anybody in their right mind bet on all 36 numbers and 0 also? Seriously. Would you? Of course not.
It does not take too much thinking to figure this out.
One more thing. This "sleeper dozen" stuff has been done hundreds if not thousands of times in the past hundred years. It is a non-starter. Sure you can have twenty or fifty winning session in a row, like Blackpearl seems to have. But one of session will have a dozen sleep for 25, or 30, or 35 spins in a row. What do you do then? All profits are gone AND a lot more. It is not that uncommon at all for dozens to sleep that long.
Insider
Quote from: keel44 on June 10, 2010, 12:10:21 AM
You lose on this method only if the 3rd D and LD keep alternating and the SD never comes.
Are we clear?
And what makes you think that won't sooner or later happen?
Please do some
real tests before you make any assumptions.
I am just stating the theory of this system.
I never said it was a great theory. Believe me I know that dozens can sleep a long while. I would never base a system of betting on all the numbers. I think that if I had $1000 dollars as my bankroll, I could achieve similar results as this system.
BlackPearl........your bankroll is the reason for this system's success not the method behind it. It is not far off from a 10 step martingale for even chances. Lots of success BUT once you lose, you lose big.
Let us put this one to bed :skull:
In my opinion, is good strategy, well think.
mostly of case, we not have to be afraid of long SD but me I am because I saw some very long and need long fibonnaci progression.
and in more, in RNG casino, I play with many casino well known, when we start, it work normal and you win little and little but after many session, start regularly long row with LD and 3rd dozen alternating. almost all the time.
of course I am not surprise because I know and even if i play on serious casino, when you play always same method, it will happen one moment when casino will not help you have what you need. I mean we have no so much chances than before to have what will give you win bet
so, because of this, i cant play anymore this strategy :( i was sure before i started but i wanted try.
I played on 3 casinos and now, all the time I start session, ive alternating LD and 3DZ regulary . and in each casino, this happened after played this method regulary.
I dont play in roulette live because bet are most of case 1 euro minus and is too much for me.
But still I think it is good strategy, and yes, maybe it help to have one very big bankroll because if I play with bankroll of 100 euros, my stop loss is 80 euro and it is not enough, even if I play with 0.10 chips. and you dont win very fast , so you have more chance to have bad run before have your 10 % profit. I tried 5 euros profit but I go more often near my stoploss than it is ok. so I prefer stop.
thanks you for have share your strategy with us Blackpearl, and because was nice to play, after u understood it well ;)
>>> Now I must admit, that this endless blah blah is driving me crazy soon ...
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=16223.msg111682#msg111682 date=1276174555
Keel 44,
In your example, you would be betting 12 on SD, 2 on LD and nothing on third.
No matter how you cut it you are better off doing so.
Again, and for the x th time, would anybody in their right mind bet on all 36 numbers and 0 also? Seriously. Would you? Of course not.
It does not take too much thinking to figure this out.
One more thing. This "sleeper dozen" stuff has been done hundreds if not thousands of times in the past hundred years. It is a non-starter.
I know of all this very well ...
Sure you can have twenty or fifty winning session in a row, like Blackpearl seems to have.
But one of session will have a dozen sleep for 25, or 30, or 35 spins in a row.
AGAIN: I KNOW this as well as You !
What do you do then? All profits are gone AND a lot more.
Your forgot, that YOU MUST STOP TO GAMBLE AND START TO PLAY WITH INTELLIGENT MM* !!!!
Every Gambler, who cannot understand the strategy of using a Loss border line or a so called StopLoss mark,
is a poor and simple Gambler, no prof, no Insider and will lose always, when this happens !!!!
THE HIGHER THE BANKROLL, the lower the winning goal : THATS the Key ONE to success
Key TWO is: GO HOME, when you have your small part of profit ( 3 - 5%, if you are really wise ...)
Plan for the long run, for the week, the month and the year....
You will have in average always more winnings than losses ...
ASK ALL real practicing roulette profs, they all will tell you this over and over again...
IF You or someone else speak against that, then All of you have a strong psychological ego problem
OR you are definitely a casino agent. Period
It is not that uncommon at all for dozens to sleep that long.
I know . . . Have experienced a 24 sleeper in real casino 2 times
Insider
btw, where is YOUR strategy :rtfm: and where are YOUR Live Results :rtfm: from somewhere ??
* Money Management
TODAY`s Live Result from DB here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/daily-live-results-the-blackpearl-d-dzcl-strategy/msg109923/#msg109923 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/daily-live-results-the-blackpearl-d-dzcl-strategy/msg109923/#msg109923)
=========================================
Regarding ANY negative, destructive discussions here:
I am NOT INTERESTED anymore and will never answer to such stuff again !!!
so don`t waste Your time to bring all that up again and again. . . no one is interested
==================================================================
Positive, motivating and upbuilding comments & contributions are very welcome !!!
Waiting for such with great appreciation !!
Sincerely Yours
ROLF :thumbsup:
This system simply won't work. It's a long term loser because,
1. It doesn't change the house edge.
2. It's built on the gambler's fallacy.
3. It's long term expectation = (house edge) x (total amount wagered)
It reminds of me of the old Frank Barstow systems. The system didn't work back then and it doesn't work now. There's nothing unique about it.
Take the time to read more on the history of roulette.
Is Black Pearl also Fender?
Best of Luck
-Herb6
Ooh, Welcome, Herb. . . . . . and: I do not know "Fender" at all
AGAIN:
Your forgot, that YOU MUST STOP TO GAMBLE AND START TO PLAY WITH INTELLIGENT MM* !!!!
Every Gambler, who cannot understand the strategy of using a Loss border line or a so called StopLoss mark,
is a poor and simple Gambler, no prof, no Insider and will lose always, when this happens !!!!
THE HIGHER THE BANKROLL, the lower the winning goal : THATS the Key ONE to success
Key TWO is: GO HOME, when you have your small part of profit ( 3 - 5%, if you are really wise ...)
Plan for the long run, for the week, the month and the year. . .
If You GAMBLE at the casino, You will lose, IF You WORK at the table, You will earn . . .
You will have in average always more winnings than losses . . .
The HOLY GRAIL is:
Control Yourself, because you cannot control Roulette
> Roulette is borderless ---> So You answer with Borders !
> Roulette is without limits ---> So You answer with Limits !
> Roulette can not count ---> You CAN !
> Roulette has no Intelligence ---> So You answer with .................... ? ? ?
The HOLY GRAIL is:
> Control Yourself and develope Yourself !!
> Become mature and have selfcontrol !!!
> And the most important part: DON`T EVER BE GREEDY !!!
Nobody has ever said, that it will be easy . . .
So: Welcome to the Club!
I have 200,000 Dublinbet spins (from April09 to Aug09) both Table 1 and Table 2...
I can write a simulation script to test this... will keep you posted
Quote from: Poit on June 10, 2010, 08:40:58 PM
I have 200,000 Dublinbet spins (from April09 to Aug09) both Table 1 and Table 2...
I can write a simulation script to test this... will keep you posted
VERY NICE, dear Poit !!Would appreciate that very much! [/color]
BUT PLEASE have in mind: > I am stopping my daily session normally, when I have made a small win of 5 up to 10 or 15%
> And I stop at 20% Loss of my bankroll, then finish the daily session!
AND additionally: > I play with 5.00 Basic Bet on D-DZ or D-CL according to the Strategy.
> I always place 50 cent or 1.00, 2.00 or more € on ZERO to cover that risk!
The Zero bet is always adequate to the sum of money lying on the the tableau!
Can this also be integrated in the simulation ?
THANKS again for Your contribution!!
Sincerely,
ROLF :good:
> Roulette is borderless ---> So You answer with Borders !> Roulette is without limits ---> So You answer with Limits>>
Roulette has no emotion, so you answer with emotion! Roulette has no feelings, so you answer with feelings!
See, I can make up nonsense just like you can... :lol:
I can segment the simulation into daily blocks. 1 spin a minute (so maths = 1x60x24 = 1440) 1440 spins = 1 day of spins/ 24 hours of time.
In the long run, money management can't turn a losing system into a winning one.
I haven't played roulette for a good 12 months now..... that is because I am yet to program a system to be in profit after 1 million live spins.....
its more of a past time now..... when im bored at work or when I want to improve my programming skills.... and yea, if I do get a profit after a million spins, ill start playing roulette again....
I don't see a need for threads on these forums for pages and pages and pages.................... should be like this
1: post a system
2: program/simulate it
3: win/loss?
maybe 4: discuss why it doesnt work, improvements, or just give up entirely...
all of this talk of 'it works, trust me' or 'take my word for it' or 'im in profit after 5000 spins'... its all useless dribble that isn't worth the bytes wasted posting it.
Quote from: Poit on June 10, 2010, 11:03:57 PM
I don't see a need for threads on these forums for pages and pages and pages.................... should be like this
1: post a system
2: program/simulate it
3: win/loss?
maybe 4: discuss why it doesn't work, improvements, or just give up entirely...
all of this talk of 'it works, trust me' or 'take my word for it' or 'im in profit after 5000 spins'... its all useless dribble that isn't worth the bytes wasted posting it.
Couldn't agree more.
Blackpearl,
You are getting fed up with this and so am I.
Just one more thing. You keep repeating :"Keep your sessions short and you will have a lot more winning sessions than losing one". Hasn't it occured to you that ALL systems involving steep progressions (and yours is certainly one of those), win at least 95% of the time if the session is relatively short? It is just normal that you have a lot more winnings sessions than losing ones. But if you play often enough, no monay management will make a winner out of
a loser.
Money management is only good if you have a positive expectation, which is not your case. But then again you know that already. If you had a positive expectation, it would be very simple: the longer you play, the more money you make.
Insider
The reality is, that money management and progressions alone, will only affect the variance (increase it). So yes, you're more likely to win often, but the increased 'swing' means that when you lose, you lose a lot more. Playing less (keeping sessions short) is a good idea when all you have is luck and progressions, but it's not enough.
Think about it this way: Setting a fixed win target or loss limit assumes that it will always coincide respectively with a peak or trough in the fluctuation, and the only way you can know that this will occur is if you have a crystal ball. If you really know when the fluctuations occur (and in which direction) there would be no need to use a progression at all; the fact that you don't know is the reason you have to use them in the first place.
Quote from: Spike! on June 10, 2010, 09:11:16 PM
> Roulette is borderless ---> So You answer with Borders !> Roulette is without limits ---> So You answer with Limits>>
Roulette has no emotion, so you answer with emotion! Roulette has no feelings, so you answer with feelings!
See, I can make up nonsense just like you can... :lol:
Sorry, Spike. . . Your Words are no arguments... just words...
The STRATEGY presented here is something to work with, like an instrument.
You need exercise and exercise and time and concentration etc. ...
THEN You will find out about the fine differences and advantages of it...
People, who are not willing to
READ in depth,
THINK in depth and
WORK with it,
will
never find out about such successful ways of earning money with roulette...
AND, OF COURSE: They
dont stop their sessions, are always
greedy, have
loss of control,
then they
go home to mummy
crying... "Ooh, Mom, this bad strategy is not working... :'( "
Behind
my statements there is PROOF and evidence + logic
+ many practice and experience from old wise experienced roulette players I talked to...
Real men with real 10 / 20 / 30 or more years of practice, some programmers among them etc. ...
If you talk against me and this chain of arguments & live results, Your are not only talking against me,
YOU ARE TALKING AGAINST THOSE MEN AND THEIR STONECOLD STATEMENTS !!
Sorry, You have lost !
-----------------------
I think, most of the people posting here ( including the pseudo-professionals )
do play at highly coloured cling clong slot machines or whatever...
We do not play
We work at casinos
Big, big difference. . .
Bye, bye Spiky
Hello Bayes,
thank You very much for that intelligent contribution !!!
I hope, someone will read it. . . ( if someone can read here...)
Have nice day!
ROLF :good:
Quote from: Poit on June 10, 2010, 10:11:37 PM
I can segment the simulation into daily blocks. 1 spin a minute (so maths = 1x60x24 = 1440) 1440 spins = 1 day of spins/ 24 hours of time.
Dear Poit,normally the daily sessions are always between 150 and 500 spins...
Sessions, which are much longer, are encreasing the probability of being beaten by
random constellations heavily!
But if it is possible to test the strategy this way only, will be in every case very interesting for us !!!
So Thanks Again !!!
Sincerely,
ROLF :thumbsup:
Behind my statements there is PROOF and evidence + logic>>
Don't forget the baloney. Lot and lots of baloney... :yes:
Bye, bye Spiky>>
Buh Bye Blacky... :-*
Much ado about something seen long before and proven as a los.
Just my 2 kunas.
Here we go again :
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/daily-live-results-the-blackpearl-d-dzcl-strategy/
Live is Life . . . da da dadadah ...
Enjoy: youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI&feature=related
Am I missing something? Every roulette wheel I've ever seen pays 2:1 on Dozen's and Columns. If you bet on 2 Dozens at the same time, a win will only net you 1 unit, AND you're saying to bet on Zero at the same time? That can't work unless you bet more on the DZ/CL's than the Zero. So that's a minimum of $5/spin. And a win on one Dozen still only nets you 1 unit. Every loss is -5. You would have to win 5 times as many spins as you lost just to break even. This is the worst strategy ever.
I don't understand the use of the Fibonacci sequence either. How can that possibly work? If the sequence is 1 1 2 3 5 8 13. . . , by the time you get to 13 and win you still LOST $7! Then you say to consider that a win and start over betting your base bet? This is total complete cr@p.
I put your entire system into a spreadsheet and there is NO WAY that it works. Not even with martingale betting (which is even worse). Unless you can show everyone a random sample of 100 spins, how you bet and what the outcome should be, I say you're full of cr@p and are probably someone working for an online casino, trying to trick everyone into wasting their money.
Quote from: BlackPearl link=topic=16223. msg109676#msg109676 date=1274605221
Here we go:
12
18
1
23
14
6
23
9
START SIGNAL: You place -1- on the SD ( 3rd) and -1- on the LD (1st)
19 -1- on LD (sec), -1- on SD (3rd), bet: -2- total loss, bilance: minus -2-
4 -1- on LD (sec), -2- on SD (3rd), bet: -3- total loss, bilance: minus -5-
3 -2- on LD (1st), -5- on SD (3rd), bet: -7- part loss, bilance: minus -6-
31 -1- on LD (1st), -8- on SD (3rd), bet: -9- Win bilance: plus -9-
RESET the BET:
Place again -1- on the SD and -1- on the LD
This will be -1- on SD (3rd, 31) and -1- on LD (sec, 19), see above numbers
I am sorry, cannot explain it better in English language. . .
Sincerely,
ROLF[/color] :thumbsup:
Hello I am quite new here and with this strategy. I didn't fully understand this strategy so I have few questions to avoid some stupid mistakes. I don't fully understand your example. My english is not very good. Sorry for that. Start signal appeared when 9 was hit. Then 19 comes so we lost on both dozens but you still bet 1 on both, why you didn't start fibonacci on SD I mean why you didn't bet 2 on SD?
19 -1- on LD (sec), -
1- on SD (3rd), bet: -2- total loss, bilance: minus -2-
Then when the 4 was hit
4 -1- on LD (sec), -2- on SD (3rd), bet: -3- total loss, bilance: minus -5-
you bet 1 on LD (sec ?) why not first ? 4 is in 1th dozen ?
The next line
3 -2- on LD (1st), -5- on SD (3rd), bet: -7- part loss, bilance: minus -6-
Why 2 on LD(1st) why not 1 ? I thought that we start fibonacci on LD when SD reaches 8 ?
31 -1- on LD (1st), -8- on SD (3rd), bet: -9- Win bilance: plus -9-
Here the same LD isn't 3th ? You came back here to 1 chip on LD. I don;t understand why ?
Here are some more my questions and my opinions about system. Correct me if I am wrong.
The starting signal is when one dozen sleeps for 5 or 8 spins (it depends on us but 8 is more safe) ?
Then we start betting with 1 chip on each SD and LD. When we win than we stay at stake 1 chip on each beacuse we have profit overall. When we lose on both we start fibonacci on SD from the next spin ? That is why I dont understand why after 19 you stayed on 1 chip on both.
When SD stake reaches 8 ? (8 or 5 ?) we start LD with fibonacci betting 2 on LD when 8 on SD ?
but what happen when LD is on 3 for instance and SD on 13 and we hit LD then we still increase stakes on both SD and LD or only on SD and LD reset to 1 or something else ? I don't know what then when we win on LD but overall we have loss.
When we start fibonacci on SD we increases stake every spin until we hit SD ?
Do we use only 9 steps of fibonacci 1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55 or we go further until we reaches our loss of 20% of our bankroll or we win ?
How much do you bet on 0 for example you have on the table 20$ then how much on 0 ?
How much and on what we bet when 0 come but we didn't bet on 0 because on the table was let say 10$. Do we increase stakes and bet the same dozens before 0 or what ?
Here are my two thoughts but I don't know if I am right.
We start fabionacci on SD when we lose on both dozens.
When we start fabionacci on SD we increase stake every spin until we win on SD ?
When SD stake reach 8 we bet 2 on LD but when we hit LD I dont know what then ? we have partial win but overall loss. Do we come back to 1 chip stake on LD or we increase still because stake on SD increases too ?
Sorry for so many questions but I din't understand everything and I want to understand it good befeore I start to use it. Thanks in advance for respond.
For some time I see that there is no new post in this thread so I wonder do you use it still and do you have winnings with it ? What do you think about this system ?
I read again this thred and I think I found some answers to my questions. When the LD is in progresion and we hit it then we reset stake to 1 chip on LD but we increase stake on SD right ? but do we still make a progression on LD but from 1 again or what ? (because SD stake say that LD should be in progresion but we reset it to 1) and I still dont know how far progression on SD go ? what is the limit ? 9 steps ? 20% loss or hit SD ?
Quote from: snoowly link=topic=16223. msg111712#msg111712 date=1276202487
I dont play in roulette live because bet are most of case 1 euro minus and is too much for me.
Snoowly you can find live roulette with stakes from 10 cents for example Eurogrand or William Hill.
I almost lost my bankroll with this strategy. This system unfortunately is susceptible for series above for example 15 spins without one dozen. Sometimes when terms are good we can last out even 20 spins without one dozen but in worst possible scenario we can lose after 12-15 spins without one dozen which is not so rare. I dont know maybe I dont understand something. Can someone answer for my questions in previous post especially how far we go with fibionacci line progression. In my case I didn't know if to stop on 55 so I went further with 89,144 etc. I like this system but after I almost lost everything I am a little bit scared to use it. Author had great results. If someone played it with such a good results ?
Anybody play with this system yet ? I like it and play with it but I wonder why Black Pearl had such a good results. It is obvious that this system can be easy killed by long series without one dozen. The only explanation is that stop loss is the key to success or Black Pearl was just lucky and didn't meet to many long series. I don't know. He played few thousands of spins which derive from his results page. Could he be just lucky with his winnings ?
Quote from: pablos on August 04, 2010, 01:43:36 PM
Anybody play with this system yet ? I like it and play with it but I wonder why Black Pearl had such a good results. It is obvious that this system can be easy killed by long series without one dozen. The only explanation is that stop loss is the key to success or Black Pearl was just lucky and didn't meet to many long series. I don't know. He played few thousands of spins which derive from his results page. Could he be just lucky with his winnings ?
Pablos,
I can only think that he just had a really long streak of good spins. You noticed when he lost it was a big loss and it took quite a while to recover. He finally got his stop win down to 5%. You usually keep dropping your win percentage when the higher one gets harder and harder to hit without having a lot of stop losses.
This seems like a reasonable system for hit and run, but you never know when that streak of 15+ is coming. And it's a killer.
GLC
Well there is no one limit which kill this sytem because when we bet 1,1 and don't hit SD but hit LD we dont increase stake which give us one more step with no increasing stakes even when we have stakes 2 on SD and 1 on LD and hit LD then we also dont have to increase stakes because we are break even at least I was playing that way but you are right that it is very possible that such a long series will kill us.
I like this strategie but I played it in a different way.
I bet on the last dozen that hit and in place of the sleeping dozen I bet the one before the last whit the same progression as the blackpearl double dz/cl strategie. . Much better and it eliminate the sleeping factor.
Sorry for my English ( I ame Dutch). :thumbsup: :good: :yahoo: :pleasantry:
I think it is a quite good idea. It eliminates the sleeping factor but can you tell what sequence then kill your system. Tell me if I am wrong but I think that then sequence that kills that system is only when dozens repeat all the time in the same way like 123 123 123 123 123 or repeting one dozen in this sequence like 123 1223 1112233 123 1233 etc. The question is what is the longest sequence of this kind.
You are right Pablos, but I think that a sleeping dozen for 12 spins comes more up than 123 123 123 123.
I play this system now for a while and have not had one single losing session.
I play every day this strategie about +- one hour on William Hill casino ( live dealers) and quitte when I have +50 or +60 units(1€) I ame not greedy
Than I change and play a different system
Your spins:
123 1223 11122 (here you have a loosing session -96 units last bet was 13 units on 2e dozen and 55 units on 1e dozen stop progression and restart)33 123 1233
But just now I have not had a session like this, and when it must come than my bankroll is always ten times bigger with all the winning sessions than the 96 loosing units.
Sorry for my English (I ame Dutch)
Greatings
Quote from: LouisV link=topic=16223. msg123846#msg123846 date=1290510980
I like this strategie but I played it in a different way.
I bet on the last dozen that hit and in place of the sleeping dozen I bet the one before the last whit the same progression as the blackpearl double dz/cl strategie. . Much better and it eliminate the sleeping factor.
Sorry for my English ( I ame Dutch). :thumbsup: :good: :yahoo: :pleasantry:
Hi LouisV
What happen if the one before the last is the same of last, did you came back till you find a new one?
Thank you in advance
Hi dfo
You always bet the last two different dozen that hit so when the nrs are 12-4-11-22-19-21 you continue to betting the 1e an the 2e dozen (each time 1 unit profit) til the 3e dozen appear and than start the progression on the the dozen that hit before the last(3e dozen) in this case the 2e dozen (nr21) so you next bet is 1unit on the 3e dozen and 2units on the 2e dozen and you continue the same progression that blackpearl have explain here before but the only difference is that we begin en go on with the progression on the dozen that hit before the last and not on the sleeping dozen. Hope I have explain it well now in English. ( I ame dutch)
Greatings.
This download is a very helpfull tool to play this system:
hxxp: vlsroulette. com/index. php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=191
Hi LouisV
I Understood . . What about the start of the play. Are you wait for the trigger ? or Are you start as soon did you have the before DZ.
Don't worry about English. . . also my isn't perfect. The important things is comunicate with you.
Thanks
DFO
I start to play off the moment that the two last dozen are different, after that no more trigger, I continue to play about
1 hour or when I ame in profit around 50 or 60 units(1€) than I stop with this system (never be gready on the roulette it will always kill your bankroll). Just now this methode do it very well for me, so I go on with it. Not one single loosing session, maby I ame just lucky, or maby it is a very good system for short time players
Greatings
Louis when you have bad sequence you bet till the 55 max or you go further with Fibionacci progression ? Do you apply all other rules not changed like covering 0 and do you start betting third dozen when needed like blck pearl said or not ? I played this system with old rules but once I almost lost everything so I gave up since then but this new way is quite interesting besides I went further with Fibionacci progresion not only to 55. I play also in William Hill that is why it is more interesting for me how many bad session did you have.
Like I said before I have never had a loosing sequence, I have reached a few times the 55 units on progression, but than on the last spin I have won!!!! so maby I ame just lucky I don' t know ????
Once I come to 21 units on the progression I cover olso the zero.
I have never used the 3e dozen in the progression only play two dozens at a time.
I think that at the moment that I will have a loosing sequence, I stop after the 55units(take the loosing) and restart the progression on the one before the last but not on the last( to recover a little)
When You played ten days without a loose I think one loosing session don't hurt very much?
Ok thanks for response I was just curious if you stick to the rest of the rules. When I almost lost everything then I stopped playing with this sytem and switched to the other one but with this new method I think it is worth to try. I laso coverd zero and didn't play 3 dozens in the same time. I think it can be a good system but I have to use stop loss rule because without it loss is only a matter of time.
Quote from: LouisV link=topic=16223. msg123983#msg123983 date=1290682011
Like I said before I have never had a losing sequence, I have reached a few times the 55 units on progression, but than on the last spin I have won!!!! so maby I ame just lucky I don' t know ????
Once I come to 21 units on the progression I cover olso the zero.
I have never used the 3e dozen in the progression only play two dozens at a time.
I think that at the moment that I will have a losing sequence, I stop after the 55units(take the losing) and restart the progression on the one before the last but not on the last( to recover a little)
When You played ten days without a lose I think one losing session don't hurt very much?
Hi LouisV
I would like to ask you about bet, I'm not sure to understand how to bet.
I'm attach an excel file where You can find in the left the boules and Dz/Cl the bet and the results.
Could you give your opinion about my progression. If you will be able, without any forcing.
Thank you in advance.
DFO
Hi dfo
Here is the way I play:
Spin:
21
13
we wait for two differend dozen in the last two spins and than we begin the session
1 unit on the 1e dozen(last dozen) and 1unit on the 2e dozen (the one before the last)
32 is a lose bet (-2 units)so we bet
1 unit on the 3e dozen (last dozen) and 2 units on the 1e dozen (the one before the last)
36 is a half winning bet: we take 3 units but are stil in negatief (-5 + 3= -2 )
we go on with 1unit on the 3e dozen and 3 units on the 1e dozen
33 is again a little recover we take 3 but stil negatief ( -6 + 3= -3 )
1 unit on the 3e dozen and 5 units on the 1e dozen
24 is again a loosing bet -3 + -6 = -9
now we bet 2 units on 2e dozen (last) and 8 units on the 3e dozen (1 before last)
31 Winning bet: 24 - 19 = + 5 we are positif so we restart
1 unit on the 3e dozen and 1unit on the 2e dozen
And so on
When I ame far in progression 8 - 35 or 13 - 55 and the one before the last hit but I ame still 1 or 2 units in negatief I also restart with a 1 - 2 bet those units you go win quickly back and why take a great risk for 1 or 2 units?
Yesterday for the first time I have loose on the progression 55 and o ironique the one before the last was a hit just the spin to follow so from now on I go to 100 units with the progression
Progression:
1 1
1 2
1 3
1 5
2 8
3 13
5 21
8 35
13 55
21 100
When You have a loosing session to progression 100 you take the loos and restart the one before the last with 2 units but you restart the bet on the last with 13 for winning some units back
What good is in this systeem is when you have a sleeping dozen that as long as the dozen sleep you win every bet.
Greatings
Hi LouisV
Thank you very much, your explanation is very clear for me.
You considering the result as a sum of the results of the dozen last and before and sometimes third.
Very good,
columns will be manage in the same way I suppose.
Now I try, I'll have all weekend to learn.
I'll keep you informed.
regards, DFO
I understand your way of playing but I don't understand your example. 21, 13 are both second dozen :) I think that everything would be ok if instead 13 there would be some number from first dozen.
Maybe I had bad luck or did something wrong but I lost in the first session playing your way :) I think I was choosing my dozens in good way but I am not sure. I end my progression on 55. Do you still play with this system ?
Hi Pablos, Oeps indead the nr 13 must be 12,11 or 10 Sorry where was my head on november the 26 hahaha. This system is still in my arsenal but now I played it no more every day but only when others systems dont go very wel and I see that the two last dosens or colums repeat frequently. I play only the colums because I have better results wit them than with the dosens, one time I had 3 loses in one week with the dosens and one time I losed on the progression 55 and o ironique the one before the last was a hit just the spin to follow so from then I go to 100 units with the progression and I played also this system not longer than 1h or 1h30 a day.
Have a nice day
Louis
Do you still win more than lose with this system ?
Like I say before I don' t play it no more every day but it is still in my arsenal and a winning system for me when I play it on the colums. Only play it for 1h or 1h30 when you see that the two last dozens or colums repeat frequently I use always the spinmaster software when I play. (sea attached file)
Greatings
Hello
This strategy is promising.
Could someone encode this system in Rx?
In this case, would be very grateful.
Regards.