So this is the system's creators "notepad" section.
I am going to start posting my ATILA + BET SELECTIONS here so they stay registered.
- 111 Observation: It says in 3 cycles of 37 spins the regular happening is to have every number shown except for 2 or 3 numbers which as the long-term sleepers for the day ( 37 spin in a cycle x 3 = 111 observation). So after the second cycle, eligible numbers are the unhit ones. Ideally if it goes past second cycle, it should be left alone -although I have used the long-sleeping ones with good results (37 x 2 = Spin #74 as signal).
- The Hole. Two numbers in the disk separated by 1 space. The space is the hole = the eligible number to back.
- Waker disk zone. This belongs to my "WI" framework. Wait for a 37-spin cycle to end. Pick the 9-number section which least hits. If two sections have the same hits then use the one with more unhit numbers. If two sections have both the same hits + the same amount of sleepers, just let the wheel pick one for you and attack the first one which get a hit. /// The ideal-value for a 9-number area is 4 spins, but I go generous and allow 1 more spin when playing the ATILA Money Management on it.
This ATILA branch of study has gotten me fascinated. When the graphs start being posted at the testing section you'll want to practice with them ;)
Here is a "111 observation" testing graph using Wiesbaden actuals:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg524.imageshack.us%2Fimg524%2F7084%2F111atilare8.jpg&hash=e15c9249f7705ae620063462468c450667516308) (nolinks://imageshack.us)
QuoteThe ideal-value for a 9-number area is 4 spins, but I go generous and allow 1 more spin when playing the ATILA Money Management on it.
This means I hold the bet for 5 spins AFTER the section gets a hit.
Ideal-value 4 spins + 1 extra spin = 5.
Just wanted to clear that.
Tomorrow is another day and can post more charts. With the new results I was telling Lanky at the chat I'm now an ATILA junkie!
If it continues like this, then the forum family will have a great benefit, since it seems to win more than it loses in okenty of my Wiesbaden/Bet365/Local casino(s) actuals.
Time and tests will tell.Victor
Good Work Victor.... 8-)
Looking forward to future installments....
Cheers.... [smiley=beer.gif]
Ste, the graphs keep looking fine.
For the first time I think it is OK to go looking for 50% or even a 100% return per session. This is awesome and will certainly reflect in my lifestyle.
I need to set very clear rules. This can be coded for a mechanical system.
Bet selection is mechanic.
Progression is mechanic.
Reset points are mehanic.
Maybe a minimalistic human intervention which can be summarized in when to make a reset even if it isn't exactly a reset point balance (for instance if it is a specially hard session when it is coming up/down/up/down, then one should cut when reaching a new "up").
Also hard-exit points have been already set, among them if 50% of the bank is lost and it never was even +1 over buy-in, then it is a good time to cut the session. No need to lose it all.
Maybe following the game in virtual to see if one would have lost it all past the 50% or if it recoups to buy-in point, then re-hook the session.
Of course, whatever the final set of rules, it is going to be posted for the benefit of the forum family and the advancement in the study of this wonderful game.
At least in my opinion, this got me already "hooked". Barely no thinking, high-return (+50%)... yes. Paradise so far!
Victor
Being totally selfish Victor, How could I adapt this to the 4 number bet selection I'm testing with Mr.J system ?
As ALWAYS many [smiley=dankk2.gif] for any help you may have the time to give.... ;)
Latest graph:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg142.imageshack.us%2Fimg142%2F5389%2Fatila1112lc8.jpg&hash=d790cbce2449cf2d32a721860b696a668be327b0) (nolinks://imageshack.us)
WoW Victor.... :o
As the say in the Sound Of Music that graph is "Climb Every Mountain" [smiley=lolk.gif]
As ALWAYS excellent work my son [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Keeping using this space as a "notepad":
As a safety-brake, when using the 111 observation, enter virtual play after twice the ideal-value without a hit. i.e. 9 numbers = 4 spins as ideal, then after 8 spins with no wins, make a pause till the virtual hit.
I want to be there for every period of concentration of hits, and surf as much dispersion as possible -with the limited bankroll- in a better effort to "be there" when the swing reverses.
I think the wheel has a timeline, so to me virtual-play does make a difference because by having less longer strings of consecutive misses it shortens the deficit and requires less concentration of hits to get back on profits.
The main enemy is dispersion of hits when using any type of progression.
When flat betting you mostly care about hit ratio between wins and losses, when playing progressions you must also care about the ORDER of the hits/wins and the length of the string of losses.
I have no shame in admitting I am a progressional player, and when the hits aren't coming, better to switch to virtual-play.
It is never known how deep current negative swing will go... so better to force roiulette to make odds things to lose, instead of placing yourself in a silver plate in continuous-play for only 1 negative swing to blow the bankroll away.
Virtual-play is a very valuable in my framework.
One of the advantages a player has: choosing when to bet, how much to bet.
Victor
QuoteHow could I adapt this to the 4 number bet selection I'm testing with Mr.J system?
Are you strickly waiting for 1 hit and you cut your selection? Do you think you could keep on using a square AFTER it has had a hit?
And most important, is the flow of hits a good one? I ask this because the main idea of the atila is to work as an stepladder progression, where you may need a flow of hits to cancel losses by previous misses.
This is the tradeoff with soft progressions. Your bets rise slowly, but the "recovery power" requires to have a set of close hits, opposed to the HIT N' WIN, where 1 single hit makes you be in profit automatically.
What can you say to this mate?
Thanks for getting back to me Victor ;)
I totally understand the difference you are saying when using ATILA, next time I test I play as I am BUT takes notes of when the section has won after the 1st win, when at the moment I would stop....
Hopefully you can then advise if it's enough hits :-?
Hope that made sense... :-[
as ALWAYS
cheers... [smiley=beer.gif]
hi victor so i wait for 30 spins bet on the nine numbers least shown
if this not right
could you explain it again please
explain it like your talking to an idiot
thanks. [smiley=grin.gif]
hi guys is anyone still using or testing this system
if so how are you getting on [smiley=smiley.gif]
hope to hear from you soon thanks.
QuoteWhen the graphs start being posted at the testing section you'll want to practice with them
pauljwpa >> I´m also interested and eagerly waiting for details, but it is taking longer than i thought.
Hope Victor could find the time to shed some light over this [smiley=cheesy.gif]
ATILA said ANY 9-number selection would do the trick.
Now, what do you say about us ( you and me ) making the graphs with the tests this way:
- You provide today a 9-number selection with random numbers from 0 to 36.
- I test it using the ATILA with tomorrows actuals from wiesbaden.
- We will always use the archive with most numbers spun for the day.
- We repeat the process day after day, with a new 9-number set from you for next day's actuals.
Do we have business? ;)
Regards,
Victor
We´re in business, mate ! [smiley=3/bow.gif]
Remember to send me my share [smiley=happy.gif]
So, let´s get ready to rumble... ( you do the hard work, beautiful deal for me, LMAO )
From the top of my head to the tip of my fingers, to the virtual world, here you have them:
[size=18] 0, 8, 12, 15, 16, 22, 31, 33 and 36 [/size]
Now, go rock the house down >> [smiley=3/wos_musik2.gif]
And bring me a great graph. Cheers.
We'll see what happens TOMORROW.
I'll go grab wiesbaden actuals from Xtreme, pick the file with the most spins for the day on it and there ya go... will run it using your numbers, my Ideal-value-play framework and the ATILA money management.
Hey buddy, please be aware ATILA is not the holy grail which never loses. It does.
The quest is to find the point where you win MORE than you lose; whatever the methodology used.
For instance, I just did this session using numbers 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. No particular reason at all. Just because of the "Any 9-number group will do" part, and I used the first nine. Check it out:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg295.imageshack.us%2Fimg295%2F3633%2Fatila200709182tc2.jpg%253Cbr%2520%2F%253E&hash=7032522b5e836efe6458a88b54c44a44f051686f)
As you can see, it was in the red -190. The bank was the 500-unit one given by roulette xtreme. So a bank of 700 units would have been needed to lift up this particular session, but the reward is I see +250 as achievable!
Yep. +250 is not that insane with the ATILA... As a matter of fact, I will pick it as win goal for our sessions.
I think we could go for a 25% return per session using a 1000-unit bank. Let's do -say- 2 weeks of testing and then compute how many sessions were won and if the win ratio covers the losses.
Regards,
Victor
[smiley=2/rambo.gif] Sounds like a plan !
I can live with 25 %. [smiley=laugh.gif]
I like the way it seems to hold up so well, even after a poor start. I will not pop open the campagne just yet, because i´ve had my hopes up too many times until now, but be sure i have plenty of trust in you.
[highlight]Good Luck to US. [/highlight] ... By "us" i mean us all. [smiley=smiley.gif]
Good luck guys, I'll be watching and cheering you on!
I've been using the ATILA betting plan for a little while now and have had good success with it. I play it with a 9 number sector with different stop losses and win goals set in place.
Cheers,
Matt
hi guys good luck with the test
couple of questions
how do you come up with the 9 numbers
and how do you bet them
:-[
Ok paul, I think is a wonderful opportunity to start coding my software to grab Roulette Xtreme images for nolinks://KVideas.com (nolinks://kvideas.com) , because I want to give as many snapshots as possible from the bets! (plus Ronjo wants it too).
The main idea of the testing is to be educational, this way you will see how *I* bet them.
Quotehow do you come up with the 9 numbers
Option A: Pick ANY group of nine numbers.
Option B: Pick a sector of the wheel you think is "due", "hot" or will hit according to dealer signature, pocket count, etc.
The users of "whatever the selection" approach ( me & Atila included ) believe that no matter what you choose, it will come in clumps or "waves". Then the mission for the atila money management is to stretch that bankroll in order to have a shot of being there for the "positive wave" or concentration of hits.
Quoteand how do you bet them
Atila Disk-sector players tend to start rising the units from the center to the outside. i.e. if target/prediction/hot number is "0", the 9-number
sector is: 12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg116.imageshack.us%2Fimg116%2F9089%2Fzerosectorsq8.jpg&hash=3900ee700d3ab276c069a40f0d80ea4db47d81c8)
Their ATILA line looks like:
111121111
111221111
111222111
112222111
112222211
122222211
122222221
222222221
222222222
222232222
222332222
222333222
...to:
333343333
To be "picture clear", like this:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg231.imageshack.us%2Fimg231%2F5666%2Fatiladisksectorew3.jpg&hash=58a083c910b77ba0efb77554b33e52115d46771a)
For [highlight]layout[/highlight] bettors, I recommend as exposed in the original thread:
1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.1
2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
3.2.2.2.2.2.2.2.2
...
How to place the bets at the layout? Easy and hassle-free: starting from the lower number to the higher.
To be super-clear, I made this pic today:
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg252.imageshack.us%2Fimg252%2F8537%2Fatilalayoutyi3.jpg&hash=cf21d4dad2ec5bd33289d84551758838f99a2db9)
Hope it helps in your comprehension.
(I think I better post the pics at the original thread too).
May this help as many people as possible.
p.s. check nolinks://kvideas.com/ <- There's some "Trivia"!
Best regards from your friend in the wheel.
Victor
Holy cow it works! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] i only played 3 sessions with it at dublin.bet in practice mode but had big winning everytime. I tweaked it a lite bit at my needs ,since i'me a dozen man a marked the dozens for 37 times and wich dozen had the most hits, i played the 9 nummbers on.
A simple system with great result thats what i like, i keep testing this one for a couple of days. ;D
thanks for the demo victor on how it all works [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
going to start testing
ok guys got to get ready for my work now [smiley=bath.gif]
see ya tomorrow :)
Well guys, today it is. I'll let any of you have the honor and post spielbank numbers for 2008-01-04, the file with the most spins/lines and place it to:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?board=actuals
So we can start the testing and the graph posting!
Hi All,
I had tested this strategy with my own spins and was satisfied that I would do ok playing live. So I played the sector bet last night (4 either side of zero). Very quickly accumulated 70 ($5) units profit but then continued and was met with winning only 6 times in 47 bets. Even the dealer change couldn't hit that sector! Unfortunately dropped 670 units and had progressed to the sixes of the ladder.
The problem at this point is that I needed to win more than 3 times in a row ( probably 4 in 7 spins) to get me out of the hole I was in. After I left the table I continued to monitor the results. 3 spins later there was a 3 in a row but then went back to sleep for the next 6 spins before I left.
As such there really needs to be a stop loss point. This I believe should be a a stage whereby no more than 2 wins are required in (say) 4 spins to get back on track.
I still think the strategy has merit and I will no doubt try it again but will definitely do some tweaking.
Regards
Mocco
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I was trying it out yesterday. Once went down 600 units and i was there for a long time, its hard cuz like you said Moccoman, you need few consecutive hits. Ok, they dont need to be consecutive, but need to be soon. Gradually, i recovered and ended losing streak with +70 units. When Victor posts graphs, we will see what stop loss shud be.
P.S.: if you need help with it, msg me, altho im noob to that program :D
Moccoman, Welcome!
The ATILA isn't meant to be played continuously, that is my observation.
I do it like this: Pick your numbers beforehand, then once they hit, play it using their "ideal value" + 1 spin. If there is no hit, then stop betting till a new number of your group hits and you repeat the ideal-value play + 1 spin strategy, recursively.
In our case, we use it on 9 numbers so ideal value = 4 + 1 = hold the bet for 5 spins, if no hit, then make a pause. I strongly believe events come in cycles.
As to the stop-win = +250
Bankroll ( and stop loss ) = 1000 units. Enough room from it to fluctuate most times (which is the idea).
Best regards and again welcome to the crew Mocco.
Victor
QuoteThe ATILA isn't meant to be played continuously, that is my observation.
But how do you feel about switching sectors(9 nummbers), when you see another sector gets 'hot'?
QuoteBut how do you feel about switching sectors(9 numbers), when you see another sector gets 'hot'?
Never tried that Roger. Any case, I would make the pause after the Ideal-value + 1. Continuous-play can be a very biting b***h! (Exactly what casino wants, be there and get the full impact of dispersion as it comes; no concatenations needed for them, you just stand there and take it spin after spin... sweet...
for them!!!)
I just finished posting the graph for the first testing @ the testing zone:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1199742639
A new set of numbers anyone for next test please!!! [smiley=smiley.gif]
Here you go Vic:
7,8,13,24,25,30,31,32,33
QuoteHere you go Vic:
7,8,13,24,25,30,31,32,33
Thanks Matty!
In order to keep the testing as fair as possible, I will have to test them with TOMORROWS actuals.
The cleanest approach is to pick the numbers at least one previous day so there isn't any way to tell you somehow picked the best numbers for that sample -unless of course you are a clairvoyant- [smiley=lolk.gif]
Tell me you don't do mantras to develop the "third eye"! [smiley=cheesy.gif]
P.S. I like the rotating in number-pickers. If we could have more people joining for the other tests the better.
PS2. I won't accept David Blaine or Chris Angel's numbers. [smiley=vrolijk_1.gif]
Quoteunless of course you are a clairvoyant-
LOL - trust me Vic, if I was clairvoyant, you ALL would know about it.
Matt
Well, i will put some nummbers in to
4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
Wow, Moccoman is here. [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif] He is top shelf, we're lucky to have him. Ken
Yes sir. Mocco is a good bloke. I'm happy he is around too, [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Thanks Ken and Victor.
It's always good to be involved with positive interactive people.
Regards
Mocco
Soooo,
What are you up to these days Mocco? Any new Money Management as your current favorite? :)
I only thought the other day that I should revisit that one!
After spending an unbelievable amount of time trying to adjust the rules of the Johnson Progression, it was time to take a rest.
But 2008 is a whole new year and I am back in the game. [smiley=lolk.gif]
[smiley=dankk2.gif]
Mocco
Hey guys,
Can anyone post the numbers to make the second test @ the actuals section?
Only the file with most spins, remember.
Wildcard maybe? :)
Thanks to the wild one for posting the numbers.
The results of the testing are here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1199742639/2#2
Enjoy!
Victor
Helder!!!! Please post the actuals for the next set! Thanks mate, you are the actuals guy! [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
" Actuals Guy " lol ... reminds me of the "Cable Guy" !
At least let me get home, will you ? ;)
Some 3/4 hours to go !! :-/
BTW, we have to talk, eh eh eh.
Hi Victor, I want to say something here about ATILA Money Management.
:-)
I have used this with the GPM by Kimo Li, selecting only 12 numbers at one go.
Built a $630 bankroll to become $4,100 (real money) today yikes!
maybe i am lucky hehe.. ;-)
BobbyBobby
Quote from: bobbybobby on October 11, 2008, 05:37:20 AM
Hi Victor, I want to say something here about ATILA Money Management.
:-)
I have used this with the GPM by Kimo Li, selecting only 12 numbers at one go.
Built a $630 bankroll to become $4,100 (real money) today yikes!
maybe I am lucky hehe.. ;-)
BobbyBobby
Hi bob, The ATILA with a regular hit rate is very sweet!
Remember to flat bet the times where you are facing dispersion of hits, namely for 12 numbers, you may want to flat bet after say 6 misses (2 cycles), then re-bet where you left your atila line. increase a bit when hit rate is good againg to make for the flat bet losses. That's it.
Victor
yup! you bet Victor!
thanks! now it's at $7,100+ a bit... thanks for sharing this Atila thingy.
I saw it 5 months ago, but totally ignored it, thinking that it is senseless!
wow.. i am wrong...
BobbyBobby
hi @VLS
i was just wondering if you could do me a few short examples of when to increase the bet and when to flat bet, what would you look for to trigger a progression? wwl or nolinks? and if you lose 1 cycle with progression do you carry on the progression onto the next cycle or restart from 1 unit again
also when you have played the cycle do you restart the system by wwaiting for 37 spins, if not how do you select when the next cycle starts?
thanks,
ryan