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[Marven]

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[winkel]

Beautiful work, Marven!

You did what I always tried to force: Watch what is going on!

As you experienced there are always trends to watch and they could be followed.

But please don´t try to select numbers. Only watch the groups.
another thing would be, if you do it like another one (can´t remember who) did:

run different trackers at the same time starting at different spins. When you get crossings in some trackers, compare the numbers and bet only those, which are in all/most crossings. So you will have expelled the "starting sleepers" but you will bet the AN (still active #s).

The numbers with higher performance you catch by betting higher crossings like "5"vs">5"

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winkel

[VLSroulette]

Marven, this is really a great framework for number selecting.

I can only add you should consider hot numbers starting from 3 shows within a cycle as using 2 times can add way too much eligible ones!

3rd repetition system is based on this (bet all 3+shows from past cycle at current one).

Your mate,
Victor

[The Spiders Kiss]

Nice job Marven
TSK

[berlinerbruce]

Hi Marven

HAHAHAHA, looks like great minds think alike

nice one Vic, funny enough that was just what i was discussing with Maven yesterday in chat

well Marven i think the way forward is to bet on the  first # that has three shows plus

but keep our bet selection to a max of 5#s

and always bet on the 5# that have shown the most

if we get a tie breaker # then i would löök at the distribution of the #s in question

OK Marven that basically what my idea was yesterday in chat that we discussed

lööking forward to how this develops

all the best

BerlinerBruce

[Homeito]

Hello.

As I refer to the first point of the first post of this thread at my site I think it is only fair to tell you I do.
This is the URL: nolinks://web.telia.com/~u35312066/

It is nothing personal.
I only want to show that some misconceptions are ... misconceptions.

Best regards,
Homeito Bemek

[Marven]

Thanks everyone for the input.

As I refer to the first point of the first post of this thread at my site I think it is only fair to tell you I do.
This is the URL: nolinks://web.telia.com/~u35312066/

It is nothing personal.
I only want to show that some misconceptions are ... misconceptions.

Hi Homeito, and thanks for the willingness to disprove my observations. I do value your views on this, actually.

I have checked your website, and noticed your mentioning of 2 basic misconceptions, and would like to comment on those:

Misconception #1:
If you see 12 RED numbers hit back-to-back you should bet BLACK because it is a very small chance to see 13 Red numbers.

Actually this is the opposite of my whole approach to the game. I am more of a:
1) An advantage player (Visual ballistics, bias, and dealer signature)
2) A trend grinder (capitalizing on the game's trends using solid money management) - This means that, in this case, I would not bet on black thinking that it's due to happen since that would oppose the whole idea of trend betting.

Misconception #2:
If a number "sleeps" you should wait until it "wakes up" (hits) and then start betting it.

Note that I didn't imply that anything is due to happen, nor that it is guaranteed to keep hitting above the expected once you start betting.
To quote myself: "...the unpredictability of the trials remains unchallenged".

The whole idea is, however, to have a clear idea on what is going on on the table in terms of data flow, so you can decide where and when to place your bets in a way that doesn't beat/alter the odds, but rather avoids you long dispersions of hits since you are embarking on the most active events during each moment of the game, hence the need for solid MM.
That's what the math folks can't/refuse to understand. We trend grinders do not aim at beating the odds, that's simply impossible, we merely try to isolate the game's natural trends and capitalize on them with smart MM, averaging more long-term winnings than losses.

If you have any objections, please do not hesitate to post, I'm open to all views.

Regards,
Marven

[Homeito]

Hello,

That's what the math folks can't/refuse to understand

I am NOT one of the "math folks".
My standpoint comes from years of observations and analyses of what has happened to me (and others) in a REAL BRICK-AND-MORTAR CASINO.
I have recorded the spins and my bets for some years now. As I have several hundreds of those records (many thousands of results) it is not very hard to find out why I lost money.

In hindsight.

I have lost them because I used misconceptions as the basis for my bets.
The EXACT misconceptions I show at my site.


Re: #1 (Even "trends")

This means that, in this case, I would not bet on black thinking that it's due to happen since that would oppose the whole idea of trend betting.

I have now added a column to the tables that shows the % for the CONTINUING sequence = the "trend".
I can not find any length of sequence that gives a higher "continue"-% than just around the normal 48%.

If a sequence of for example RED is 10 long is that a "trend" then?
11 REDs? 5 REDS?
How long is a "trend"? How do we know there IS a "trend" at all?


Re: #2 ("Sleepers)
Yes I noted what you wrote but you actually wrote

When they "wake up", they USUALLY tend to go up faster than usual in order to compensate

The word "USUALLY" (and you caps'd it) is obviously not true as that word means something like "more often than not" (I think. Sorry English is not my language. In my language it does mean that).
As I show and especially so in the "ALL RESULTS" table the "Hard Sleepers" do NOT go up faster than the "Non-Sleepers" - at the contrary actually.


Re:

have a clear idea on what is going on on the table in terms of data flow, so you can decide where and when to place your bets

What IS "going on" then? How do you know?
Regarding the "trends" in one case 10 (example!) REDs IS a "trend" and you bet it will continue but in another case the SAME length of REDs is NOT a "trend" and you do NOT bet.

Regarding the "sleepers" in one case a 250-spins "sleeper" IS worth betting on when it "wakes up" but in another case the SAME "sleeping-time" is NOT worth your bet.

*** HOW do you distinguish the two?

You HAVE to in order to avoid the losses.

And you HAVE to be good at it.
Because none of these USUALLY hit more than anything else. Am I wrong?

If something is "going on at the table" it means that the wheel and the ball actually are AWARE of the numbers that hit.
If they are not it is just another random stream of numbers and nothing is "going on".
Random is random right?

we merely try to isolate the game's natural trends

If you can tell me how to do that I will OF COURSE investigate and show the results.
Maybe this is a misconception on MY part?


But I do not think so and I stand by what I write at the site:

Suppose you are at the table and you have actually seen twelve REDs hit in a row.
The wheel is spinning and the dealer shoots the ball...
NOW... Is there really a better chance that the ball hits a BLACK number than a RED?
In the real world...?

(The same goes for "sleepers")


Best regards
Homeito Bemek


PS. My next project may be to debunk the misconception that all results even out over time.
Believe it or not but they do not.

[Homeito]

Hello again,

I have to add that the above questions are NOT to attack Marven in ANY way.
I ask them because I want him and ALL of you to ask YOURSELF those questions.

If ANYONE has the answers please reply.

I attack the misconceptions. Nothing or no-one else.


Marven wrote:

I am more of a:
1) An advantage player (Visual ballistics, bias, and dealer signature)

GOOD!
I believe that is the ONLY way as the only one who can possibly know and can influence what is "going on" is the dealer.
And in some casinos also a defective wheel. But I think they are rare today.

Sadly I have not enough experience yet to use these ways myself.


Best regards
Homeito Bemek

[lucky_strike]

The basics with the chart is so nice and good so I made it a sticky

LS

[Marven]

Lucky,

Thanks for the stickying my observations bro.

Homeito,

In order to take advantage of the trends effectively, you must have a good, in-depth, yet practical system of analysis. Playing merely Red/Black is of no use here (not for me anyway).

There is a quote I read somewhere by a very experienced trend player that sums up the theory behind this type of play:

Theoretically, every number has the SAME probability of occurring, but FLUCTUATIONS of probability are REAL phenomena that distorts the ideal theory of even distribution.
In reality, occurrences of numbers are NOT EVENLY DISTRIBUTED in the short term.

Forget about all those systems based on non-valid theories and misconceptions, and try developing an in-depth (yet playable) system of analysis instead, patiently tracking many numbers groupings, waiting for a clear fluctuation (in number AND distribution of appearance) to take place then basing your attack on it using a solid money management plan.

Of course, I am not saying I have the roulette holy grail, I'm only saying that, in my personal experience, this type of play does have merit. Your mileage may vary.

Anyways, thanks for the criticism and objectivity, I appreciate and am always open to them.

Respectfully,
Marven

[Homeito]

Hello,

Thank you for the reply.

Forget about all those systems based on non-valid theories and misconceptions,

Already done. And that is why I publish my site.

I show my investigations to WARN others for doing the same mistakes that I have done.
Those mistakes cost money.


About the trends...
In the short term... I think the dealer is a rather short term.
Where I go they make like 20 - 25 spins.
In Spielbank Wiesbaden (the files I used) the average was only 13 spins and I show those.
I am sad to say that the two have comparable results.

And as you can see the dealers (average 13 spins) show the same results as the days (average 345 spins)...
And they both show similar results as you see in the 707,492 spins table...
The differences between short and long time distribution seems quite small as the results of my investigation of REAL LIFE SPINS show. My private as well as Wiesbaden.


The problem as I see it is to determine when a trend is a trend and when it is not.
As I said above you have to decide that identical triggers IS a trend some times but IS NOT a trend at other times.

Because obviously we can not bet on something we consider a trigger EVERY time it appears. That is what my investigations show.
You HAVE to choose between identical triggers which one to bet and which one to not at that precise moment. If you do not want to lose in the long run.
If any one can show how to do that in a consistent way...

Until then...


Best regards
Homeito Bemek

[Homeito]

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