I think I have the "[highlight]Roulette Grinding Syndrome[/highlight]".
Why?
Because right now I am not playing anymore progression in a "1 hit to recoup" fashion at all and i only consider acceptable those which recoup in a positive tram rather than only a win (i.e. grinding, as in Roulette Grinding Syndrome).
I am discarding explosive betting systems upfront and have actually closed myself to any of those systems. If it is explosive, I simply advice: NO. Roulette Grinding Syndrome.
I find myself having the best time at the table with the most boring Money Managements, because I am seasoned enough to know the boring ones are the best for realizing the tram you are in... Yep, loving the boring ones: Roulette Grinding Syndrome
I haven't played a continuous-play session in years. As a rule for me: if I'm getting losses, I will go virtual ASAP. I just can't understand how to play continuously unless the positive edge is obtained, and since I do NOT have it, then to grind and grind to quit when in profit, Roulette Grinding Syndrome
I simply can't stand betting over and over remaining quiet there in a negative tram, while the house edge "draculizes" me! Roulette Grinding Syndrome
Am I a [highlight]pathological roulette grinder[/highlight]?
Perfect losers have the need to rush times, both a rush for winning and a rush for "losing it all", since it is only all-or-nothing for them....
How I wish I would have the Roulette Grinding Syndrome virus to inject into some players! :)
Anyone else around contracted RGS? ;D
Victor
I know I'm not alone and Lionel/Lanky has RGS too ;D
QuoteAm I a pathological roulette grinder ?
I consider myself one and more and more i believe to way to play this game is by using our mind to the max and not just rely on a set of fixed rules. Maybe this is Spike's influence no matter what we may think about him making educated guess is sexier than using a rigid set of rules. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Arty, in the past I did try to find the "magical selection criterion" which could beat the game. As a result of failing and failing and failing and failing, I just realized it goes in cycles.
Some hard-to-learn lessons were like this:
Doing a progression in a furthest-back DS and then depleting my bank... just for seing it come back in a very noticeable clump of hits...
Trying to make roulette synchronize a serie of "improbable events" ( in probabilities, you know, those rare-to-find events ), then observing the improbable happen back-to-back... Hum... I see a pattern here, it goes "dry" -comes less than expected-, then it comes more than what hard-probability dictates.
This goes for every location and selection criteria.
I didn't just came up with "in roulette everything comes in cycles", I had to swallow some very bad-tasting pills to realize it. Then, what the heck, instead of fighting the times of concentration and dispersion of hits for a bet selection, then better track and use them!
In my opinion even the most exotic selection criterion goes in cycles, and I did find something curious, when using the most common way the numerical stream goes (I.e. a la "VLS march"), roulette needs to contrarrest with some odds patterns to counteract... and curiously those patterns usually come in a pretty defined tram :), I did prove once at the spanish forums how using the ideal-value play and the VLS march one could almost surf the bad times automagically and minimal human interaction was required... but that's another history.
Best Regards.
Victor
VLS, your last paragraph is not clear to me but i understand the general idea. All bet selections are not equal specially if they use a rigid set of rules. I think as in everything all is a question of common sense. This is why i think if we put the human mind in the loop then we increase our chance.
QuoteVLS, your last paragraph is not clear to me
I mean this post from the spanish forum my friend:
nolinks://nolinks.grupojoker.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2640&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=28
Also posted at foros-ruleta.
Hit ratio with ideal-value play was 76.36%, higher than expected for 2 dozens.
But it isn't always that way, this is why I still need the progressive betting to "patch" the bankroll, otherwise I could simply flat-bet my way to profits all the time and like we discussed by PM, I'm not there yet. So Money Management is still a must for me.
Unfortunately, i can't read Spanish. Gee! i wish i could. i'll need to study it as i would like to learn this beautiful language. I like to hear the accent or when people speak, it's a form of music after all, no ?
There is many people at the spanish forums who are convinced "there is no system", hence studying more the "Roulette & Gambling Framework" side of the game.
Of course, the people wanting the holy grail system posted so they can just go to casino and become millionaires with 100% certainty and 0% risk -as expected- say that "framework-type" discussion isn't good. They want a magical mechanical system to do in autopilot at the casino and get rich!
To those persons I say:
Bad news: Unless you are TurboGenius who has two (2) holy grails, better to get used to both the positive and negative streaks; because that is basically what the game does to players and the clear measure of it is to control the selection in flat-bets.
Proper money management is the remaining tool for the non-advantage player. If you do not beat the game flat betting, then in order to compensate, you NEED progressions / Money Management; and there's no workaround for this reality.
QuoteI wish I would have the Roulette Grinding Syndrome virus to inject into some players!
You have VLS [smiley=dankk2.gif]
Hello Victor,
Thanks for your " Roulette Grinding Syndrome", I fully agree with you on this one. Only a very experience player can say this. You did mention something on using ideal value play and VLS march. I have learned the VLS march from your post.The ideal value play, is it about using the LW and LLW on the LD or JD? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Posted by VLS
QuoteI didn't just came up with "in roulette everything comes in cycles", I had to swallow some very bad-tasting pills to realize it. Then, what the heck, instead of fighting the times of concentration and dispersion of hits for a bet selection, then better track and use it!
In my opinion even the most exotic selection criterion goes in cycles, and I did find something curious, when using the most common way the numerical stream goes (I.e. a la "VLS march"), roulette needs to contrarrest with some odds patterns to counteract... and curiously those patterns usually come in a pretty defined tram Smiley, I did prove once at the spanish forums how using the ideal-value play and the VLS march one could almost surf the bad times automagically and minimal human interaction was required... but that's another history.
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Thanks & Regards
sniper
It helps the boredom to play more than one method per session.
But it's all good if you're leaving with more than you entered with.
Grind away. :thumbsup:
Ron.
At least I see some sense in this forum
Anyway, no surprise it comes from VLS
I realy hope ther are very few ppl like you Victor
We wd be lost without losers
I had to read that three times. I think it was a compliment. If more were like Victor, there would be fewer losers to sweeten the pot!
Sam
sure its a compliment
Thank for your words Vito, check the date from the message, I have already posted plenty of posts about grinding. I guess it is because of the boredom associated with it people doesn't like it a lot! ::)
But some like Lanky/Lionel do know grinding little by little is another way, an alternative to explosive schemes which wipe you out away without allowing the player time to think. (I.e. 1-hit-recoups-all schemes look great in the beginning, and it is expected, but the true validity of a method is to be seen on how does it cope with not having hits -dispersion times-). Instead of thinking: "If I only had more steps on my progression..." start thinking on how to "pass alive" those inevitable times, then when you get "your time" (concentration of hits) "sqeeze" it to you advantage. That is better than adding step to your progression. If any, you should better be cutting steps on your progression to avoid a larger, irrecuperale loss.
I know of no explosive betting scheme that works. All the successful players I know use data stream to their advantage, and it means to be seasoned enough to know neither you nor the casino will always win. Yes, there are times the casino won't get hits: YOUR concentration of hit times. Squeeze them when being already positive OR perform recovery on these times when being exposed to more hits than probability dictates for current cycle. Accompany it with betting the least or not betting at all at dispersion times, and you have more chances to survive the inevitable "gaming waves" you will be exposed to.
Every player may start calling himself seasoned when understanding these waves can't be avoided and of course, when knowing how to ride and when to "let them go".
Regards.
Victor
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 20, 2009, 06:16:28 PM
I had to read that three times.
We all should have the Perfect Loser thread printed and stickied at our bedroom to look at it daily:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-perfect-loser/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-perfect-loser/)
Now that's something every player must never forget. By simply going to the casino and watching those perfect losers "perform" their act, we can learn a lot.
Betting more and more when losing isn't precisely the best approach to the game, specially when one of your "player advantages" is to be able to NOT bet (you can skip spins or not bet at all, unlike the casino, who must always take bets mandatory (casino bets every spin against players, don't forget that, your win is its loss, your loss is its win. Like it or not, casino is your "reversed player"... and yes, both can't always win! Both can't always be losers. You can choose what to do at your every present time, be it when winning or when losing, you have that advantage when at the game)).
Would you use your best moves when you opponent is at its best or when it is is more dizzy than expected? This is it! Martingale and progressive players do their best "punches" when their opponent is at its best (player's negative tram, which is the casino's concatenated winnings tram).
A good approach is to start by reversing that! Know your current tram, act accordingly.
Regards.
Victor
Yes, the bank has its "streaks". You can see the casino at its best when there is almost every number covered and it wins over and over with the few open pockets, and likewise, it loses too, a few pockets covered and bettors wiping it out. Like I said, the casino is just another player betting against those at the table as bet selection, and it has the same events attached that affect every other player, including huge swings against it (casinos in theory can withstand it all, but we do know of tables which are closed out of players winning too much on it. Casinos apply stop-loss. Take note.).
The casino itself is an "advantage player" with +2.7%, but ask every other advantage player if at +2.7% there won't be wild swings? There will. And you as a player can use that piece of information to make more informed decisions. Your stream versus casino's stream are 1-on-1 against each other. Take advantage of your good times and take advantage of casino's bad times.
Of course, the casino is expected to recover from the wild swings against it and its embedded edge allows it. But in the short term, its fluctuations will be inversally proportional to those from current players... as a current player yourself, consider current trams... totally consider the trams.
Best regards.
Victor
its all about the grind for me. i am only using flat betting methods these days. i have not posted for a while as end of 2008 was so busy for me. i am back now in 2009 using a flat betting system i have created in last few days. i have layed just under 200 bets and am up 80 units. bear in mind this is flat betting. my aim is to lay around 5000 bet before i really intend to start playing on it for money.
dj
p.s its not really a system more a strategy i use with the lw's ad i ahve found it to be running great so far( many thanks victor for inspiration)